one major problem I have with Toy Story 4 is the inconsistencies of Bo's character. She went from Woody's love interest with a kind heart to a strong independent woman that takes control of situations easily, that's all fine considering she's been on her own for all those years but the film acts like she's always been like that and even show the flashback at the beginning of the movie of her acting like a co leader with woodie even though the previous movies never showed that.
Well she went from living in a moderately cushy couple of middle class homes, to an antique store (which is more or less like a halfway home), to pretty much homeless at the end. If I were homeless, I’d rather be a toy too honestly!
@@kaekaesam6240 that makes sense that she'd change from all that. That's not a problem the problem is that the movie acts like she's always been like that as shown in the flashback at the start of the movie
I didn’t like it for one simple reason, they separated woody and buzz. I’d rather the movie didn’t exist at all than have those two part. It felt like two brothers were being separated, it didn’t feel right. Edit: this is not an endorsement of “bros before hos.” That is in my opinion, a hasty generalization.
Absolutely! They broke the golden rule - bros before hoes! It's the Bro Code! They totally WRECKED an awesome team that's been through every kind of horror a toy can endure TOGETHER! And for what? To get a bunch of celebrities to put their voices into a lazy cash grab and sell a bunch of merchandise! Shame on them! What a rotten way to end a beloved series!
So true. Also, Disney made a goodbye video for Ralph and Venelope separating, even though they still stayed in contact. But, they didn't make one for Woody and Buzz, yet they have no way to stay in contact. It's horrible! Buzz and Woody are the ideal characters of friends and they took them a part just because they wanted to give Woody "character development" that would completely demolish his character.
It's so stupid and I despise the "friends/family leaving each other" trope. You don't need to make the characters separate cause that's not always necessary for character development, and it just feels emotionally cheap. Frozen 2, Ralph Breaks the Internet, and Toy Story 4 are some egregious examples. How To Train Your Dragon 3 was bound to come, but the way the writers handled it left a bad taste in my mouth.
Oh, yeah, the 4th one definitely wasn't needed. Also, imagine what happens when Andy and the little girl (don't care to remember her name) meet up again? Andy: Hey, what happened to my Woody doll? Girl: Dunno.
You're right about Bonnie. All of you are. I know Forky was "the most important toy" to her at one moment, but to tell you something, kids change their minds on a whim, which means when she wakes up one day, she might decide that she wants to play with Woody again. But because she can't find him she's gonna start crying about it realizing that she broke her promise to Andy and Buzz, Jessie and the other toys aren't gonna be able to do anything about it because they have no idea where in the world Woody is! And it's all thanks to Josh Cooley!
What gets on my nerves is that in the movie its established it had only been a month since Woody was last played with. Compare that to the years the other toys had to endear in a box in the 3rd movie. Incredibly hypocritical and out of character. Disney recently with their sequels has been doing this whole "friends splitting" plot that really gets on my nerves because it's never done right. Ralph had to learn in the first Wreck It Ralph that his role in Fix It Felix JR is important and the game wouldn't be the same without him and that game-jumping is dangerous and against the rules. Vanellope left Sugar Rush in Wreck It Ralph 2 because she got bored of her game and they completely forget the first film ever happened. They never bring it up, and we're supposed to just accept it as it is. In Frozen, Elsa feels completely isolated and unwelcome everywhere she goes because of what she did to her sister when they were younger. She couldn't forgive herself, but at the end, she finally accepts Anna's act of true love and the two sisters rejoice and they both rule over their kingdom together. in Frozen 2, she just leaves. Why? Because she heard a mysterious voice coming from the woods. She literally just abandons her sister and kingdom to go live in the woods. The movie tries to excuse it as her "calling" to become the new guardian of the land, but it literally comes out of nowhere at the end, like it was a last-minute decision and they wanted to shock the audience. The only movie I can think of to do this plot-point right is How To Train Your Dragon 3 because they had a valid reason for it instead of throwing it in to make people cry. For the entire movie series, there have been multiple dragon hunters that Hiccup had to face and defeat so it was pretty clear the franchise would eventually come to this. In the movie, Hiccup tries to reason with the villain who is another dragon hunter, only that he is a lot different than the others in the way he approaches achieving his goal, and he gets a wake-up call and realize that dragons will always be hunted by humans so he seeks to find a rumored "hidden world" so they could lead them all there to live peacefully. It makes sense to the franchise and it was executed right.
People completely miss the point of TS4. Woody doesn’t leave because he isn’t played with. He is shown to be played with briefly during the road-trip montage. The reason Woody sticks beside Andy for so long because is because he had a long standing deep personal connection. He is unwilling to accept any alternative from Andy for most of the movie. His arc in TS3 is learning to let go of Andy and finally move on to something new. In TS4, Woody feels like his purpose has been fulfilled through Andy going off to college. He has slowly come to realize that Bonnie doesn’t love or need Woody the same way Andy did and therefore Woody can’t be there for her the same way he was there for Andy. But that’s ok because Woody is still sticking by Bonnie. He’s doing everything he can to take care of her even though he is unnoticed and unappreciated. He follows her to kindergarten when she is scared, but stays hidden and never tries to take the glory for himself. He jumps out of the window of a moving RV just to rescue and return a Spork because he knows it will make her happy. (TS1 Woody would’ve let Forky just fly away). He is going out of his way to look out for Bonnie at every turn. Then he is reunited with Bo Peep who has been on her own for years. Introducing Woody to a whole new lifestyle for toys. A lifestyle he once believed to be one of the worst case scenarios for a toy. He learns that being lost and ownerless doesn’t have to be a bad thing. He starts to realize that there are lots of toys that have been lost their entire lives and have never had an owner or even been played with once. After helping Gabby unite with the lost girl at the carnival it reignites a passion and fulfillment inside of him that he hasn’t felt in a long time. He has finally discovered a new purpose outside of being with a kid. He can help lost toys find owners and potentially create the same bond that he once had with Andy and briefly Bonnie. But even after all of this he isn’t willing to leave until after Buzz gives Woody his blessing and assures him that Bonnie will be ok and taken care of by the rest of them. If the only reason he left was because he wasn’t played with or because of Bo then he could’ve and would’ve left much earlier in the film. The previous movies have hinted and nearly gone through with Woody and the rest of the gang separating as well. In TS2, Woody very nearly goes to the museum and twice in TS3. Once when Woody leaves the group at Sunnyside to go back to Andy and again towards the end of the movie when Woody nearly goes to college while the others would’ve gone to the attic. I do agree that Ralph Breaks the Internet and Frozen II did this very poorly. The reason it’s handled so badly in Ralph 2 is because the first movie hammers home the rules and consequences of going Turbo and the sequel completely ignores it. Plus they made Vanellope want to abandon the game that she spent the entire first movie fighting to be a part of right from the start of the sequel. And in Frozen II it just comes completely out of nowhere. Maybe if I rewatched the movie there might be some clues and foreshadowing but I just have no desire to do so. I haven’t seen HTTYD3 but I’ve heard it’s good. Wasn’t much of a fan of HTTYD2 tbh but will still give 3 a shot.
I agree with you, even though I kind of liked Frozen 2. And I'm glad you point out The Hidden World ending for the Dreamworks Dragons series as acceptable. I know it's not what this video is about, but I feel like many dislike the ending of HTTYD 3, because "Toothless left his best friend for a girl". It's not the only reason, it's obvious in the movie itself that the dragons left to be kept safe. Night Furies were literally hunt to extinction. Unless the Night Lights had some incest going on later generations, after taking on Light Fury mates the first few times, Night Fury genes would be gone. There's plenty of Light Furies in the Hidden World, too. Sure, Hiccup and the vikings could've kept their dragons and fought against all odds together, but Toothless has the best chance of raising a family and pass on his genes, if they're in the Hidden World. They wouldn't have to worry about being a target. And Berk was a target because of all the dragons they had. They made the decision to free their dragons, so neither side had to worry to that extent. With no dragons left on the surface, they wouldn't have to worry about other vikings attacking them with powerful types either. It's also heavily implied Berk has most of the population of dragons in one place, so when those followed Alpha Toothless underground, the surface dragons would likely seek out the rest and find the place, or die out. With some imagination, it's not that hard to make the ending believable. Besides, Hiccup and Toothless weren't seperated forever. They can visit eachother, and still care.
@@SlipNJimmy You have a point. Interesting analysis. The movie wasn't for me personally, and it was pretty much unnecessary, but I can see that the plot isn't unforgivingly bad.
Toy Story 3 was the perfect ending to the story. Weather or not toy story 4 was good or bad was irrelevant because 3 ended so perfectly. 4 feels and has always felt like a well made but ultimately pointless cash grab.
@@sagittariusbeauty I love everything toy story everything about it even felt toy story four 4 is incredible I can felt that some people was hurt felling with toy story 4 becuses some people belived was cash grab but destiny for some reason dint wanted to be the last toy story flim the third one I was 11 went came out Been someone with austistic went I saw toy story 4 almost of the people enjoy well my sister been his birthday also my mom my young sister say that she dispise bonnie this flim was no lickable to her to her saying was great but felt flop over the first 3 flims becuses the end felt like contradicting the ending of third I did actually kinda becuse woody left it gang bonnie breaks his promise also I praise your video it excellent on every level becuses your opnion is correct but in a kind way you see there this youtuber call gamingmagic13 it make like 5 long videos about toy story 4 but the due is beyond insane he hated toy story 4 alot becuses felt like it brain 🧠 destroyed it life the four one becuse of everything that happen it say it a 1 hours 5 part videos the dude is in need sicological therapy or mental treatment you need to see a video of him becuse a friend of my mine that has a toy story channel mexico 🇲🇽 Hispanic told him something to call it down about his hatedtreh but gamingmagic13 was too rude disrespectful it told this message that it long about saying you are not a true fan I am the true fan f-ck you for infinity and beyond something like that annyway talking about toy story 4 is a long complex talk felling about we should have another discussion about it in a better time
It's uncalled for, yes. But the point of her words is that Woody lacks identity outside his owner. He needs to find his own self outside everyone else. His decision is a bit extreme yes, but ultimately sometimes people need to step away from their past to find who they will be in their future.
@@PathBeyondTheDark Well I agree with Jori Joestar. I never liked how Bo treated Woody either. A good message to convey to kids is that sometimes people change over the years, and it goes to show that someone you loved when you were younger doesn't stay the same person as time passes. And Bo Peep is a perfect example of that. But to see Woody stay with her in the end just because he loves her (but she also verbally abuses him) absolutely disgusts me. You do know that, do you?
There's this one scene that I remember when Woody and Bo got to the pinball machine club. When Woody asks, "Uh, what are we doing--?" and then Bo says "Shh! Just stand there and be quiet." Jeez Louise. All he did was ask her a simple question and all she could do in response is aggressively tell him to shut up and stand by doing nothing? What is wrong with her? Woody is doing everything in his power to help her and this is how she treats him? Good grief. Maybe it's for the best that she left him when she did; I mean clearly she has no respect for him whatsoever anymore. Then Bo told Woody that she would do the talking, as if he's some kind of idiot and that she has such a way with words. So Tin Toy lets them into the pinball machine and upon asking her if Woody is her friend, she says, "My friend? No, no, no, he's my accessory." This goes to show that she is a terrible compassionless person with no respect for anybody anymore. Plus that comment she said to Tin Toy about Woody made me wanna jump into the movie so I can give her a piece of my mind. I mean, come on, Woody's a toy, not an accessory!
My problem is there is a LOT of abusive and manipulative undertones in this movie. I'm someone who was stuck in TWO manipulative and emotionally abusive relationships and this movie really made me not just annoyed but angry. It takes a lot for me to become angry at a film, but the way Bo Peep talks to Woody, gaslights him and treats him is gross. She's less a love interest and more this weird controlling person. Then you have the whole thing with Gabby Gabby trying to take Woody's voice box. First she forces him and we won't get into the whole tone of "consent" there, but then she takes ALL the information she coaxed out of Forky and uses it to MANIPULATE Woody into giving her the voice box. This movie is a MESS of abusive undertones and it unsettles me.
I'm surprised she never got confronted with that. They literally let that shit slide as if Gabby was innocent. As for Bo Beep, I couldn't help but be on Woody's side. A toy was endangered and she didn't seem to give af. At least she tried to help at first
The way Bo treats woody is horrible. She never once treats him as an equal and constantly talks down to him and talks shit to other people when he is RIGHT THERE
There were many issues I had with the film. I could never get around the Gabby Gabby character, Bo just wasn't Bo, and the ending didn't feel emotional for me because all the characters Woody's saying goodbye to have barely been in the film.
@@benraven9087 Yes, the old Bo Peep cared about Woody's loyalty to his owner. She felt bad even when Andy lost him in the first movie, this Bo Peep doesn't give a damn about Woody or his wants or needs at all. So for him to just leave with her in the end is a slap in the face to the original Toy Story trilogy.
That's just it. Toy Story 3 felt like the natural progression of the story, and by extension in a meta context, a toy's life. Toy Story 4 was like, "Hahaha...progression...an ending..."
I fully agree. Aside from the main theme and plot, the Gabby subplot also frustrated me because the whole 'being made with a faulty voice box' situation can easily come off as a disability metaphor but in the end they just "fixed" her instead of helping her succeed the way she is. It felt gross, especially since she used harassment and manipulation to get what she wanted in the first place. (With woody being at a low point and hearing what felt like a sob story before he finally agreed)
I didn't think about that when I first watched it. Hm, that's quite disappointing. It can easily be a mistake, unintentional, but it still has the potential to be harmful.
I can understand where the disability comparisons come from, but I don’t necessarily agree. The movie establishes right from Gabby’s introduction that her voice box can be fixed very easily if she gets the right parts. Most disabilities can’t be fixed, at least not entirely. And the voice box itself isn’t even attached to her like it is for Woody or other toys. She could get rid of the voice box altogether is she wanted to. It is really more of an insecurity for Gabby. She thinks she needs to be perfect to get a child’s love and attention. But she ultimately realizes that even with her voice fixed there will still be some kids who don’t like/want her. This could be applied to the disability metaphor too where just because her disability was “fixed” doesn’t mean she automatically got everything she wanted.
I always hated the fact that woody had to give up his voicebox to save an insignificant plastic fork that didn’t want to be a toy. It feels in vain and just bad writing woody gave an important component of himself to Gabby Gabby.
@@zalybrainlessgenius503 and she didn't even apologize for hurting Woody and manipulating him into handing over his voice box. She only tried to give it back since she had no use for it and got rejected by that little girl. Gabby Gabby deserves no happiness.
Toy story 4 implies that Woody loves Bo peep more than Andy. Considering that the focus of the trilogy is Woody's relationship with Andy, it just cheapens the experience of the first 3 movies. The fact that Bo is barely even a cameo in the first two movies and not even present in 3, I just find it hard to believe that after Woody had given up one of the most important people in his life to be with Buzz, Jessie, Slink, Mr. Potato head and the rest of the gang, that he just abandons them after a few months for his crush from 5+ years ago. All because his fragile ego is challenged by a spork.
He didnt abandon his friends for some booty, he took a step toward finding himself separate from his co-dependence on Andy. Andy was gone and the girl was never going to fill that gap because she is not Andy. He depended too heavily on that relationship and lacked identity. He needed to find a new reason to live, and he did.
@@PathBeyondTheDark Woody leaving his friends/family to be with Bo completely and utterly goes against his character. Hell, even in the audio commentary for Toy Story 3 the director and writers themselves stated that Woody ditching the other toys to be with Andy would not only make him look like a jerk but it would go against his character.
@@PathBeyondTheDark so you're saying you should leave your family and friends who care about you just to be with a girl who you haven't seen in over 5 years and talks shit to you? You have problems
I agree completely. They basically ruined the overarching narrative, and this is how the franchise is going to be perceived forever from this point. That is, unless they come up with the Toy Story 5 to somehow fix the situation, but I doubt they think it's broken at all. I prefer to pretend the 4th film doesn't exist...
I’m not watching Toy Story 5 (if they ever make it, and let’s face it with how much Disney and Pixar love making money now I can’t see any reason why they wouldn’t even without Tom Hanks) unless it undoes the ending of 4. And even then no matter what they do it’ll always still be kinda broken.
I personally don’t consider 4 to be canon. I know it is, but in my personal head canon, the 4th movie was an alternate universe kind of scenario where Bonnie didn’t give Woody attention, which contradicts her love for him in the 3rd movie where it seemed like he was her new favorite toy.
Part 5 should be Andy at a goodwill as an adult dad and discovers woody, realizes it’s the exact woody he owned as a child and meets a whole new gang of baby toys 🤷🏼♀️ and bo peep broke to pieces
I really hate what they did to Bonnie in this film. Let's get it straight: it is completely realistic for her to forget about her old toys in favour of new ones. But the Toy Story franchise has been willing to do what is satisfying over what is realistic. The writers of the original 3 movies were very aware that the sentimental way Andy took care of his toys was a little strange. They admitted that they themselves were closer to Sid when they played with toys. But they understood that if they wrote Andy to be realistic and callous with his toys, then the audience wouldn't like him and wouldn't understand why the toys always want to be with him. In 3 and the toon shorts, they wrote Bonnie with a similar philosophy. She's similarly very caring to her toys, greeting them when she comes into her room and is very keen to integrate new toys into her play time with old toys. She draws pictures of them, which is not really something most kids do, but it makes her endearing and makes Andy's passing down of the toys to her feel like it was worth it. She was always a shy girl who's real energised personality becomes clear when she's alone with the toys. The issue with 4 is that they knew that if they wrote her the way they had been doing, then we would feel really for her when her precious Cowboy chooses to leave her. So they wrote her to be an annoying callous child who forgets her toys. Remember how she would include new toys in play times with old toys? Well now she totally forgets her old toys and doesn't realize when they're missing. Maybe she lost Totoro and the peas at the playground and never ever realized, with how quickly she forgot about Woody, it's total possible. Imagine if they made an UP sequel, and we realize Russell lost the Ellie badge. That super meaningful gift that Carl gave to him as a symbol of love and respect? A memento from his dead wife? Russell lost it in the wash, it's gone now. After all, it's completely realistic, you lose small items all the time. But people would HATE Russell after that. That's basically what they did to Bonnie. Imagine if they followed the time skip rule that the other films followed, and Bonnie's now a preteen or something. Instead of outgrowing toys like most children do, she's instead become interested in repairing toys and making customs. After making Forky in kindergarten, thus has a become a passion for her. It would be like what Sid was doing but put into a new light. Maybe she runs into the antique shop in town, and bonds with the elderly owner who makes her feel better about having a strange passion. Maybe Bo is on sell there, and Woody and can run into her there and it would be cool to see how she's grown and changed without Woody around. I think it would have been cool.
They didn't need to make a fourth Toy Story film - everything was neatly tied up and finished with the end of Toy Story 3. But greed knows no boundaries and they had to make another one for a quick cash grab.
My thoughts exactly. Toy Story 4 feels so out of character for Woody. They really should've just left it at 3. I remember seeing the 3rd one in theaters with my dad and everybody, including us, sobbing in the theater. I'll never forget this giant muscular man and his elderly mom sitting behind us also sobbing at the end. When I saw the 4th one, I left the theater just so confused and disappointed. Not bad if it were a stand alone film, but when you connect it with the 3 previous films, it just doesn't feel right. I love Disney but you can just tell they were so money hungry when they decided to make this film and I just choose to not acknowledge Toy Story 4 as part of the canon franchise, just like how I don't acknowledge Cars 2 lol
tell me about it. the last shot of 3 was the clouds on andys wallpaper & thats how the first one all started. it was the perfect finale. the shorts & tv specials after that were awesome but a fourth movie was just the stupidest fucking idea. woody taught buzz & jessie himself that having kids love them was the whole damn reason toys were invented in the first place. i heard pixar decided while 3 was the end of woodys story it wasnt the end of his story & thats such bullshit. he & buzz said in 3 whatever happened they were all gonna be 2gether 4 infinity & beyond & thats how it shouldve been. im 27 & have all of them. woodys my favorite like andy & hes the first one i got 8 years ago at toys r us! i got him with me right now & i promised him i’ll always love him & take care of him no matter how old i am!!! i didnt care if i was 19!!! slinks my second favorite cuz im a dog person & he was his best friend b4 buzz. when i play with woody & buzz sometimes i tell them they mightve said goodbye but theyll have each other & all be 2gether 4 infinity & beyond like it shouldve been as long as theyre with me. im glad toys r us opened back up in macys but i hope they open their actual stores back up like they planned b4 fucking covid. i still love it & toys
I honestly forget 4 exists, and I think the biggest memory I have about it is being confused because the first reviews I heard of when it was in theaters were mixed. The movie was pretty, but I'm not sure I agree that it was great. I don't like how they handled Buzz. The 'inner conscious' thing where he was pushing his buttons to figure out what to do was so far out of character. Woody was absolutely butchered. Even in the fourth movie he goes on about how having a child to look after makes his life complete. The whole point of giving up the voice box is how having a child to play with is wonderful. Yet he turns his back on everyone else for Bo who has just showed up after like nine years I think it was? Also Bonnie was playing with him. We see her playing with him in the RV. Maybe she wasn't playing with him often, but that's still a really weak reason to just turn around and leave. Woody's whole character is founded on loyalty to his child and the other toys. I don't see anything in this movie that leads me to believe he has a good reason to change his mind. The whole scene with the RV and GPS breaks suspension of disbelief so horribly. Honestly a lot of the movie feels like the writers got themselves into a corner and didn't know how to get themselves out. So plot convenience even if it makes no sense!
Toy Story 4’s director leaned hard into the idea of the toys being parental figures, which makes the ending of, “Leave your kids to run off with your girlfriend”, be so sick. The movie has lthe exact opposite message as any of the other movies, and puts it in a context that actually make the message more toxic than it could ever have been in the previous installments.
Something not many people realize is that, after the first film, Woody is basically the "father figure", so to speak, of Andy's toys: he's the one who keeps them together, the one who leads them, and the one who manages to lift their mood wherever he's around because he doesn't lose hope, he's always moving forward. He's basically the link that keeps the whole gang together. Now imagine, with him gone, that Andy's toys (and also Bonnie's at this point) encounter a big problem like in the third movie, for example. In the third movie, the toys are able to escape their containers, but they only manage to escape the daycare when Woody comes back. So if they ever happen to find themselves in big trouble, and with poor Buzz having been dumbed down, they would be screwed. A leader in a group has a very importante role: to keep a cool head, know everyone's strenghts and weaknesses, avoid fear and chaos in the group, and with that, form a plan to get them out of any bad situation using everyone's strenghts to the whole group's advantage. Well, not anymore for these guys, unless they find a new leader who takes the time to know all of them like Woody did, and all of that before a new calamity happens. GG Pixar.
Man I couldnt agree more. I might be the biggest Toy Story fan in existence, and Toy Story 3 is one of my Top 3 favorite movies, but couldnt stand the fourth one, and this helped sort of put into words why.
Bonnie and Ducky sole purpose was for Disney to sell more toys. There barely contribute to the plot and there was no reason for them to follow Buzz after they fell from the prize wall. The man could have easily put them there again. Sorry for the ones who love those two but they definetly fell to the scrappy category.
The main issue I have with the ending is that we can see throughout the film that Woody has strong feelings for Bo Peep, yet she doesn't. She treats him like an acquaintance, a friend at most. From that perspective, going with Bo seems to Woody like a no-brainer decision of an infatuated person ignoring the red flags and desperately holding on to a glimmer of hope. In that situation, Bo should've told him to go with his friends, but instead, she seems to prioritise Woody's short-term happiness by letting him go with her instead of his long-term well-being since there doesn't seem to be any substantial chemistry between the two characters and a break-up is more than obviously underway. She's essentially intentionally leading him on, and the filmmakers making that seem like a win for all seems very short-sighted in my eyes and a waste of a powerful moment that could've been used to actually teach the audience something.
I have many problems with this film, including: forky, the fact they introduce new pointless characters, woddy just complete abandons the friends he almost died for and went back to save in the last film, all our loved characters barely get any screen time some have like no lines at all, his Bonnie seems like she’s 2 she seemed more mature in the last film, Woddy’s characters completely changes, and forky. So how would I write this movie well…. First is omg forky, just why. I know these are kids films but Pixar is known for making movies that both kids and adult enjoy. And all I feel watching forky is annoying oh man is he annoying what’s the point of his characters I just wish he got thrown in a fire pit. A way to fix it maybe instead they should have made Woddy fall out of the van then Buzz goes after him. Then on their way back they gave a deep conversation about everything they’ve been though and how Woddy feels now to show how he’s changed. Then maybe like Buzz gets kidnapped by Gaby Gaby, then Woddy meets up with Bo. And instead of introducing even more characters Woddy and Bo go to meet up with the rest of all of the toys we love from 3 previous movies. Then they all team up to save Buzz. Throughout their brilliant plan Bo and Woddy talk about life and stuff and he begins to consider things. Buzz and Gaby have a chat about being a toy and being loved and Buzz kinda sees how his friend isn’t really that lived anymore. All the toys come up with a complex plan to break Buzz out. They fail to save Buzz and then Woddy gives Gaby his voice box and goes with Bo. Even though this movie is kinda pointless since the third one had a perfect ending and they completely changed Woddy’s character I think that like this it’s better cause it at least would include the original characters and give us a chance to say a final goodbye to them.
I disagree with you. The Toy Story trilogy is perfect and it only got BETTER with 2 and 3. The animation is stunning, the storylines are deeply heartfelt and emotional and the characters feel like family (speaking for myself, I am emotionally invested in these characters and I WEPT at the end of the third movie). I LOATHE Toy Story 4 for several reasons. First of all, it wasn't even NEEDED. Everything was wrapped up perfectly with the third movie. It COMPLETELY CHEAPENS and insults Bonnie's promise to Andy at the end of the third movie....she SPECIFICALLY wanted Woody and she PROMISED Andy that she would take care of Woody and the rest...ONLY TO REPLACE WOODY WITH LITERAL TRASH. Who EVEN SAYS he is trash. He does NOT endear himself to us like Buzz and Jessie do in the first two movies....he is trash and that's it. WHY is this character the replacement for Woody (who has been, up until this point, the heart and soul of the Toy Story movies???) Secondly, they completely violated and destroyed both Buzz AND Woody's characters in the fourth film. He saves Woody from Sid's dog in the first movie and gets them back to Andy. In the second movie, Buzz clearly establishes his loyalty to Woody by going to rescue Woody from Al. He's willing to risk everything to get his friend back. In the third movie, he's willing to risk everything AGAIN, when they are about to be shredded and burned, to help Woody free Lotso when he's trapped under the golf bag. No hesitation...no little voice telling him what to do. He's there for his friend. In this movie, I DO NOT see that loyalty AT ALL from Buzz. Yes, he DOES initially go to look for Woody, but then, he just stands there and allows the stuffed toys to beat Woody up on the roof of the antique store and when Woody wants to go back to find the stupid Fork Face HE LEAVES and abandons Woody and returns to the RV because some stupid voice on the button said to do that. in the end, he ENCOURAGES Woody to go with the stupid Bo Peep (who BTW, didn't even seem all that happy to see Woody. She seemed more annoyed that Woody had found her and like he was interfering with her new life....which makes his choice to stay with her over Bonnie even MORE painful. And, rather than staying with Bonnie, Woody chooses her (which Woody doing that COMPLETELY shatters his strongest character trait...that, as you say, he is loyal to his child (Andy and Bonnie) and to this family he has created with Buzz and the other toys. Buzz would NEVER abandon his friend and Woody would NEVER abandon his family and Bonnie. NEVER NEVER NEVER. That choice is what made this story cheap. And the fact that the stupid Gabbydygook doll got her happy ending when she didn't even NEED Woody's voice box is ALSO ridiculous. WHY does she deserve a happy ending?
I also felt like toy story 4 had a lot of the characters doing things that didn’t really make sense. I didn’t like where they took the story and I felt that Woody deciding to leave was a big betrayal of Buzz and the other characters. In general, I just pretend that the movie doesn’t exist so that it doesn’t ruin the ending of the original three films’ story for me.
Yeah Toy Story 4 pretty much undid EVERYTHING the previous three films had established. Friends, staying together, family..... Toy Story 3 was the perfect ending as it explored what Toy Story 2 eluded to, which was Andy growing up. It showed an old group of friends staying together.... So here's an idea. Why didn't Boo Peep just go with Woody and the others?!! Why not have her rediscover what it's like to be loved by a single child? Have her learn what Forky did? Another thing that upset me was Bonny! I know she's just a kid but come on! Woody was the first toy of Andy's that she bonded with! He's the toy she reached out for...which Andy with a slightly broken heart gave to her. Oh yeah what was it that Andy said about Woody? "And the best thing about Woody is, he'll never give up on you" One movie later he gives up on her.
When Toy Story 4 had a swap with directors, 75% of the original script was thrown out. I still wonder to this day how different the movie would've been. Sad to know that what we got is the absolute last Toys Story film. Toy Story 3 ended it perfectly, so I honestly ignore the existence of Toy Story 4.
I feel like the longer the movies been out, the more and more people are started to realize that it doesn't quite hold up, especially when compared to the prior three movies. "Inconsistent" is by far the best way to describe this movie as a whole.
I woulda preferred a TS4 where Bonnie finds out the toys are alive freaks out at first but then learns to have fun with her living talking toys how ever there are people who are scarred that the living toys are extremely dangerous and need to be destroyed yet Bonnie wants to protect them.
I straight up hated Toy Story 4…Toy Story 3 gave a wonderful send off for every character and a happy ending. 4 takes Woody, one of the most loyal characters and re-writes him to be self centered and non focused on Bonnie. It basically ruined the happy ending
so did i & i just heard pixar confirmed a fifth damn one. im pissed asf. i cant believe it. this shit ruined our childhoods & the perfect finale 3 was already
I'm mixed on TS4. While it's not a bad film on it's own, as a Toy Story movie it kinda shitty. Yeah it's got some good ideas, but the script and execution of it all could've used another rewrite. Also more of a personal nitpick, but while it's great that Don Rickles returned as Mr. Potato Head via archive recordings, I kinda wish they did more his takes. I get that Rickles couldn't return due to his passing in 2017 (rest in peace btw), but I think having his role reduced to simple stuff like "hey watch it buddy" or "you've gotta be kiddin" is kind of a disservice to his character. It's not bad nor does it ruin the movie for me, but it's just something I would've liked to see expanded upon more (kinda like Cars 3 with Doc's flashbacks).
Yes!! Thank goodness I am not the only one. My friends and I still believe that the third movie was the perfect stopping point and no need to continue by doing a fourth film. Plus there was only one point where Bonnie was playing with Woody and Forky, so there’s a difference between being played with less and not played at all. But my biggest issue other than that was Bo because I felt she was somehow out of character and gotten more bossy, and bringing Forky was pointless, and the worst of all, Woody giving his voice box to Gabby Gabby. So now Woody will never be the same, and the ending of Toy Story 3 was in vain.
Iconic Trio 1-3: Woody-Loyal Buzz-Most intelligent character Jesse-Exited for everything Iconic Trio in 4: Woody-Abandoned his friends and kid Buzz-Moron Jesse-Left behind in the RV
I agree! I have before enjoyed other widely hated movie sequels like Shrek The Third and Cars 2 but Toy Story 4 is my 2nd most hated animated movie of the 2010s behind The Emoji Movie!
To take a quote from Saberspark when he reviewed this film: "This feels more like the story of a parent after the child has full grown up." Woody, in this case, is the parent. He's been there for Andy all his life, always there to cheer him up when he's sad, always there to keep him company whenever he feels lonely, always there to help face his fears. He pretty much raised Andy, aside from his actual mom, and while the fourth film made Woody seem out of character compared to the other three movies, it made sense to why he's like this, at least to me. Woody is a parent who lost his sense of purpose, and has been trying to fill that void, like he did with Jessie in Toy Story 2.
toy story 4 really didn't need to happen. Sure, we would have never found out what happened to Bo Peep, but 3 was the perfect end to the series. Woody and the remaining toys are able to play with Andy one last time before a final farewell and being left in the hands of Bonnie, who obviously cares for her new additions. That was really the best ending one could ask for, and with how Hollywood has been acting for the past couple of decades, you KNOW the only reason why they even considered this movie was for the money, which cheapens anything they do in the end when you know their priorities aren't about telling good stories and leaving lasting memories, but instead trying to rake in as much cash as they possibly can, and it's painfully obvious with all these live action remakes that really don't need to be happening.
They could’ve had the opening scene of 4 be a short so then people would know what happened to her. We didn’t need the pile of crap that is the fourth movie
@@bengilhooly3616 probably not. Bo peep was a dainty feminine presence, which makes sense because she's a porcelain doll, which is known for being very easily damaged. They just made her a power girl figure for the feminist agenda. Toy story 4's bo peep is not the same bo peep in 1 or 2. A short would be fine to show exactly what happened to her, but I think it should have been left alone. From woody's reaction her being either donated or sold was kind of an easy assumption to make since the second movie was more or less caused by a yard sale.
There was a 5 hour video essay on how toy story 4 ruined everything and the creator brought up how Bonnie played with woody in the montage intro. That on only THREE accounts mentioned in the movie, woody does not get played by Bonnie, but during the road-trip, there’s moments where Bonnie is playing with forky AND woody. So there technically isn’t a reason for him to feel neglected at all because he’s still getting played with.
TS4 just leaves me feeling empty inside. In the last 20 mins, things just happen and don't end in a satisfactory way. Woody gives up the voice box,essentially rewarding the villain. It's very forced and you can tell Woody isn't all that happy about it but he goes through with it anyway because getting forky over to bonie "its all that's left for him" apparently. There is no feeling of triumphantly beating the odds, just acceptance of defeat, followed by rewarding the villain and Woody going through the motions. Then the film spends a solid portion trying to coddle Gabby rather than give Woody a meaningful conclusion where he talks to the rest of his friends about his decision to stay and why he thinks leaving Bonnie is what's best. It makes the goodbye scene feel all the more rushed and out of character. . Woody is forever going to be a lost toy since he can no longer be played with without the voice box and he's probably never gonna see his old gang again. And this is officially how the toy story saga ends, with Woody forever leaving his friends, his voice box taken away and nothing left to look forward to. This movie just leaves me wishing it had never happened
tell me about it. it ruined everything. the last shot of 3 was the clouds in the sky like on andys wallpaper & thats how the first movie all started. it was the perfect finale. the shorts & tv specials after that were awesome but not another movie. bo peep was never one of my favorite characters 4 whatever reason. ive heard some people say 3 ended andys story while 4 ended woodys & thats such bullshit. toy story that time 4got shouldve ended his story. he & buzz said in 3 whatever happened they were all gonna be 2gether & thats how it shouldve been
The fact that this film undoes so much good from the first 3 while also ruining character arcs and motivations in that process makes it a bad film. I don't see much good in it other that the visuals and the acting.
I see Toy Story 4 as an epilogue to the series. I sort it separately to the others in my mind, which lets me appreciate it on its own, without influencing my thoughts on the other films. I can't really tell if the ending bothers me just because it makes me feel sad/nostalgic to see Woody leave his family (the one I grew up with), or if it's because I genuinely don't think it was in line with his character. But seeing the film as a separate entity makes me more ok with it.
What is not inline with a character losing the reason for his existence and not finding the same happiness with someone else? This is a very simple concept to understand - toy loves his boy to the point of co-dependence, something clearly on display in the movies. When that connection is severed a part of his identity was too. The film is about finding ones own identity separate from anyone else. Only then you can hope to move on and be happy.
Btw i am not saying you are saying he is out of character, just that in general this seems to be the consensus in this comment section and it makes no sense seeing as the film spends its entire runtime showing you just how miserable and lost Woody is. Its not hard to see why he makes the decision he does.
@@PathBeyondTheDark Honestly you make some very good points. I definitely agree that it was healthy for Woody to move on from Andy, and later Bonnie, to find his own sense of purpose. I think what bothers me more is his decision to leave the rest of the toys, because they’re a family with an incredibly strong bond, and it feels like he left them a bit too easily. But either way I agree with what you’re saying and I think I understand his decision more now.
I think that Toy Story 4 is actually a very bad movie and I don’t think the audience score is accurate. What made the first 3 films so great was the characters. In TS4 the characters are completely different. The action ready characters like Jessie are sidelined as if they wouldn’t charge in and help. The smart characters, specifically Buzz, are made out to be complete idiots. Finally Woody’s most defining trait starting at the end of TS1 and going past the end of TS3 is that he is loyal. “He’ll never give up on you; no matter what” makes me cry every time I watch TS3. I literally refuse to watch that movie with anyone because I am a mess at the end. And at the end of TS4 they had Woody make the exact opposite choice than he would have make in every other film. That is why, in my mind, Toy Story 3 the last film in the franchise.
Toy Story 4 isn't a bad movie in isolation...but it's thematically contradictory to the films that came before it, which is why it feels so wrong. I have the exact same criticism towards How to Train Your Dragon 3.
Woody cares about everyone but there are three who he cares about the most, Andy, Bo peep, and Buzzlighter. Woody has chosen Andy over Bo peep, before because he values Andy more, this time he chose Bo peep cause she’s second most valuable thing to him after Andy.
Toy Story 4 is not good - it kinda shits on most characters more or less : Buzz acts like an idiot pushing his buttons for advice, Jessie is barely in it (so is Rex, Ham, Slinky & Potatohead as well as Bully), neither are Bonnies old toys.....
I felt exactly how you felt about the fourth Toy Story, pal. When I saw Toy Story 3, I was not happy with it because I thought its adult jokes, Buzz Lightyear dancing, talking in Spanish and the terrifying incinerator part and that Andy gave all his toys to Bonnie, including Woody, ruined it all for me, but as I watched it over and over, I began to realize that I was wrong. Toy Story 3 wrapped things up perfectly for Andy, Woody, Buzz, and the rest of the characters. But when I heard the news for a Toy Story 4, I was a little unsure about it, but being a die-hard Toy Story fan, I decided to give it a chance. As I watched it I was starting to enjoy the first five minutes of the movie but ask the story progressed, my mood slowly began to change, from Woody no longer being played with to how the characters were portrayed, to how the story ended. What makes me so peeved is that all the female toys treated poor Woody very badly, and they include Dolly, Bo Peep, Giggle McDimples and Gabby Gabby. First off, Dolly was rude, condescending and overbearing to him. She even calls him out for being "a little dramatic" when he introduced Forky to the toys. Then there's Bo, who was very much the same way Dolly was, but she was also emotionless, bossy and disrespectful. She used to support Woody and his loyalty to his kid, but now she sees it as some kind of joke. Here's the list of condescensions she said to him and when talking to other toys about him: 1. What did I say? I lead you follow. 2. You really want to help? Then stay out of my way. 3. Just stand there and be quiet. 4. I'll do the talking. 5. My friend? No, no, no he's my accessory. 6 some toy I thought it would be a good idea to wander into the aisles. (Duke Caboom: That doesn't make any sense.) It doesn't, does it? (Duke Caboom: Everybody knows the best route is behind the shelves.) That would have been a better route wouldn't it? (Duke Caboom wow this toy sounds like a complete idiot.) He does. 7. Open your eyes, Woody. There's plenty of kids out there. It can't be just about the one you're still clinging to. As Buzz Lightyear would say, "You're mocking him, aren't you?" And as Jessie would say, "Sounds like she really loves you.) All Bo does is just treat Woody like a moldy doormat throughout the majority of the movie, and the sad thing is that she enjoys every second doing it. And lastly there's Gabby Gabby, who was very manipulative and creepy. All she wanted was just one thing: Woody's voicebox, because her's is broken and that she wants it fixed just so she can be loved by a child. She tries multiple times to get Woody's voicebox, first by her manipulative words in a creepy tone, next by force and by her manipulative words again, only this time, telling him about his times with Andy and Bonnie and asks him if it was "As wonderful as it sounds", to which he says that it was, and then says that she wants a chance for one of those moments and that she'd give anything to be loved the way he had been. That's when Woody decided to give her his voicebox in exchange for Forky. As soon as Gabby got what she wanted, I felt my heart shatter to pieces.
@@blairexodus8005 genuinely dude. Really look at what it ruins. Cars 2 is bad, sure but it's a sequel to cars. There's not much to ruin. Good Dinosaur and Luca are generic but they at least operate to extent. TS4 doesn't make any sense and contradicts itself whilst also ruining every character from the first 3, as well as the new ones being complete assholes.
I didn’t enjoy Toy Story 4. It was full of plot contrivances and I didn’t like Gabby Gabby and her manipulative nature. The fact that she got a redemption arc/happy ending. The way thdu ruined the characters etc. when I first saw it I was initially touched; but upon reflection I realized I didn’t really like it. We didn’t need this movie; no matter how beautifully animated it is.
The Toy Story movies made me feel the same way about my own toys too. I know that toys are inanimate objects in real life, but if I throw them away, or get rid of them, it'd hurt their feelings, and that's something I don't want for them.
I have yet to see Toy Story 4, and after seeing the reviews of that other guy who made five videos about it and how it just didn't get the franchise, I am reluctant to watch it. I do have to say one thing, though. I liked that guy's idea that Bo Peep could have actually been the true antagonist of the movie, whereas Gabby Gabby would have been the villain. Yes, there is a difference between a villain and an antagonist. While these roles are usually one in the same, they aren't necessarily required to be so. As we know from our English classes as kids, the antagonist serves as the personified main obstacle that the protagonist has to overcome before achieving their desired outcome, whereas as the villain or bad guy is one who does evil things, An example would be in Les Miserables. Javert is the main antagonist, but M. Thenardier is the main villain. Bo Peep could have been that antagonistic force, standing i the way of his morals and goals. On a deeper level, it could have showed kids that the people we once knew and loved in our younger days can and do often change, and not always for the better. I'd have loved so see Woody sadly say to her, "You'll always hold a special place in my heart, Bo, but... you truly are a lost toy. Lost in more ways I'd care to admit. You do what you think is right, but my child needs me, and I intend to be there for her until she doesn't need me anymore, but more importantly, my friends need me, and I'll never abbandon them. Goodbye and good luck..." And with one last longing gaze, they'd walk in opposite directions, leaving us with an open ending.
dont see it. i tried being a little open minded when i did but not that much. there were these stupid kids who talked thru the whole thing too. the last shot of 3 was the clouds in the sky on andys wallpaper & thats how the first one all started. it was the perfect finale. the shorts & tv specials after that were awesome but a fourth movie was such a stupid idea & ruined everything. that lightyear movie looks stupid af too. tim wont even be in it & nobody can play buzz like tim. his movie the adventure begins & the show was a kick-ass spinoff already. i was almost six when it came out & had it on vhs. i moved in october 2017 & my vcr still worked but my mom made me get rid of it anyway :( i bought it on dvd from amazon last year & just watched it again the other night
Watch and judge for yourself. The film does an adequate job of showing you how Woody feels in a post-Andy world. He has never been without him, so saying he is out of character under such a new circumstance is misguided at best. He is lost and needs a new direction. That is what the film explores.
Before I watch the vid. I hope you talk about how Bonnie loved having woody. She even checked the box after Andy gave her the last toy. "MY cowboy" Andy trusted her with everyone ESPECIALLY WOODY. Just so she can ignore him in Toy Story 4 ? Having himself to leave her and give up his voice box ? It's just STUPID shit pissed me off.
You're insane if you think Toy Story 4 has any positive aspects. So what if it looks nice? Every pixar movie has to look good for its time. This movie is cancer that kills the franchise.
I love the first 3 Toy Story movies then a fourth like you said the ending was find in the third movie also WHEN WAs BOW A BAD ASS woody misses Andy sure forky felt like a plot device and Now I'm not satisfied with the ending I hope they make another movie to cap off the series because the ending in 4 sucked Thanks for reading
Yeah, I get what you mean. I honestly thought that they would never make 4 but it happened. I was like “don’t tell me that’s the end” I was very confused
Toy story 3 was the best toy story, in my opinion. The animation massively improved from the first 2 toy stories. Lotso is a great villain who is a force to be feared. The ending was the perfect send-off for this lovely franchise
I think it would have been more interesting if they had made a Toy Story series instead. The franchise made several shorts after the third installment which I thought were pretty interesting and they have a lot of material to work with. This series could have taken place between the first and second film where we see not only see real time progression of Buzz and Woody's relationship but also how all the toys began to bond with Buster, between the second and third film where Jessie and Bullseye begin to adjust to their new life as Andy's toys or after the events of the third film where the Andy's toys become more acquainted with Bonnie's. It would have been interesting to watch the Toy Story gang develop as individuals, not just Buzz and Woody and it wouldn't be the first time a Pixar character got their own series, sort of. "Buzz Lightyear of Star Command" featured the titular character himself.
A TV series centered around Andy's toys right after the events of Toy Story 2, just like they did with Buzz in Buzz Lightyear Of Star Command sounds like a good idea. It'd go on for 2 or 3 seasons, starting in 2000 and ending in 2003. Cast: Jim Hanks as Woody Patrick Warburton as Buzz Lightyear Grey DeLeslie as Jessie Wallace Shawn as Rex Blake Clarke as Slinky Dog Andrew Stanton as Hamm Don Rickles as Mr. Potato Head Estelle Harris as Mrs. Potato Head Jeff Pidegon as the aliens Kaith Soucie as Bo Peep Jodi Benson as Barbie Shawn Flemming as Andy Davis Laurie Metcalf as Mrs. Davis
When this film was released I tried to give it a chance. However, I felt it as the weakest of the franchise. I hated Bonnie completely not caring about Woody anymore. I also felt it as an unnecessary sequel. But that's my personal opinion.
a fourth movie was such a stupid & horrible idea & so is that lightyear shit. buzz said in 3 whatever happened they were all gonna be 2gether then woody said 4 infinity & beyond & thats the way it shouldve been. i mean 4 gods sake he was almost burned alive with them. its last shot was the clouds on andys wallpaper & thats how the first one all started. it was the perfect finale. the shorts & tv specials after that were awesome but not a fourth one. buzzs movie the adventure begins & the show was a kick-ass spinoff already. i was almost six when it came out & had it on vhs. i moved in october 2017 & my vcr still worked but my mom made me get rid of it anyway :( i bought it on dvd from amazon last year & just watched it again the other night. tim wont even be in that lightyear shit & nobody can play buzz like tim
Totally agree.... they ruined woody and I feel destroyed Buzz. He's had those buttons throughout all the movies but...all of a sudden they're his conscience now? Stupid -__- Toy Story 3 was seriously the perfect ending. I just pretend 4 doesn't exist lol
Will Woody regret his decision to leave with Bo Peep? Considering she belittles him, talks down to him, refers to him as NOT a friend but an "accessory," I think it's fair to say that Woody just ran off with a BPD case ala Amber Heard. Yes. Yes, there will be regrets. Many.
No, it didn't. If anyone's to blame here, it's Buzz. Woody was about to back with the others, until Buzz told him that it was okay to stay behind with Bo Peep. Woody even asked if Buzz was sure it's okay, so how is Woody the one at fault here?
Both my sister and I are huge on toy story. We’re well above 20 now. We did a Toy story marathon but when it came to Toy Story 4 we turned it off after an hour. The story sucks. A lot of the scenes are empty and nonsensical. Characters we adore are thrown to the side like they are nothing.. And a lot of the charm has gone. I will not believe Woody gave up his family for this bland woke version of Bo Peep.
I liked it, but here are the flaws that I agree with that need to be addressed. 1. Woody's arc in this movie completely overrides his development in the previous three films, going from a jerkish, but ultimately good-natured, leader to someone who would leave his family for his long-lost love. 2. Mediocre character development: The new side characters have little, if any, focus, coming off as filler, unlike in Toy Story 2 and 3, where they actually progressed the overarching narrative of those movies in an organic way. And 3. Gabby Gabby, while her likability is that she's sympathetic, as well as her redemption being unique to her by main Toy Story antagonist standards, otherwise feels like a rehash of Lotso, only far less evil and much nicer, making it feel toned down compared to the OG trilogy.
We should make mandatory for all kids under 10 watch the original trilogy it could save billions of toys from the horrors I sure as hell started treating my toys far better after watching them when i was younger
They messed with the unspoken rules of that movie's universe (i.e.: Buzz breaking his arm while trying to fly over stairs in the first installment, but in this installment he can fly over a highway and not break when he lands) They shuffled around personality traits between characters (i.e.: gave Jessie's outgoing personality to Bo Peep and dumbed Buzz down). The writers changed continuity for the sake of plot (i.e.: made Bo Peep's dress flowy instead of wired to make her more maneuverable and reverted Jessie into being afraid of clothes in spaces). This movie felt more like a filler episode of an anime, as opposed to a true sequel. But in the end it was an okay movie
That "female rules everything" really bothered me and made the whole story ruined for me! Coming from a women.... I hate that gender push they do and just ruin the memories and emotions
Same here for me. I hated how Dolly, Bo Peep, Giggle McDimples and Gabby Gabby treated poor Woody. They beat the crud out of him by bossing him around, verbally abusing him, condescending him, gaslighting him, manipulating him and ripping him apart. And I don't understand why he would want to go with Bo in the end; she's been completely rude, ungrateful, bossy, unlikeable, and mean to him throughout the majority of the movie by talking garbage about him to other toys when he was RIGHT NEXT TO HER!!
One thing I sort of was pondering on when watching the latest movies was also how the toys (so characters) seemed far diminished from before in just about all their abilities. Which I guess makes sense with them aging and how old toys can be pretty fragile due to materials degrading and cheap mass manufacturing quality issues. Still felt a bit odd looking at how the toys could interact with and manipulate the environment in the first and second movie VS how I recall them feeling in the third and fourth. It's especially odd in cases of the more seasoned toys like Buzz, who I distinctly remember coming off as really diminished from the earlier movies.
one major problem I have with Toy Story 4 is the inconsistencies of Bo's character. She went from Woody's love interest with a kind heart to a strong independent woman that takes control of situations easily, that's all fine considering she's been on her own for all those years but the film acts like she's always been like that and even show the flashback at the beginning of the movie of her acting like a co leader with woodie even though the previous movies never showed that.
Retcon lol
Feminism
Well she went from living in a moderately cushy couple of middle class homes, to an antique store (which is more or less like a halfway home), to pretty much homeless at the end.
If I were homeless, I’d rather be a toy too honestly!
@@kaekaesam6240 that makes sense that she'd change from all that. That's not a problem the problem is that the movie acts like she's always been like that as shown in the flashback at the start of the movie
They repeated the same steps with her as they did with Sally in Cars 2. Went from a developing love interest to a car wanting some Italian
I didn’t like it for one simple reason, they separated woody and buzz. I’d rather the movie didn’t exist at all than have those two part. It felt like two brothers were being separated, it didn’t feel right.
Edit: this is not an endorsement of “bros before hos.” That is in my opinion, a hasty generalization.
Absolutely! They broke the golden rule - bros before hoes! It's the Bro Code! They totally WRECKED an awesome team that's been through every kind of horror a toy can endure TOGETHER! And for what? To get a bunch of celebrities to put their voices into a lazy cash grab and sell a bunch of merchandise! Shame on them! What a rotten way to end a beloved series!
So true. Also, Disney made a goodbye video for Ralph and Venelope separating, even though they still stayed in contact. But, they didn't make one for Woody and Buzz, yet they have no way to stay in contact. It's horrible! Buzz and Woody are the ideal characters of friends and they took them a part just because they wanted to give Woody "character development" that would completely demolish his character.
It's so stupid and I despise the "friends/family leaving each other" trope. You don't need to make the characters separate cause that's not always necessary for character development, and it just feels emotionally cheap. Frozen 2, Ralph Breaks the Internet, and Toy Story 4 are some egregious examples. How To Train Your Dragon 3 was bound to come, but the way the writers handled it left a bad taste in my mouth.
@@tototats16 Exactly!
@BIG DICK ClUTCH That's one of the truest statements.
Oh, yeah, the 4th one definitely wasn't needed. Also, imagine what happens when Andy and the little girl (don't care to remember her name) meet up again?
Andy: Hey, what happened to my Woody doll?
Girl: Dunno.
Andy: Woody will never ever give up on you.
Woody: Imma abandon Bonnie to try and get some coochie from a girlboss retcon.
Yeah they made Bonnie such an awful little brat 😪
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You're right about Bonnie. All of you are. I know Forky was "the most important toy" to her at one moment, but to tell you something, kids change their minds on a whim, which means when she wakes up one day, she might decide that she wants to play with Woody again. But because she can't find him she's gonna start crying about it realizing that she broke her promise to Andy and Buzz, Jessie and the other toys aren't gonna be able to do anything about it because they have no idea where in the world Woody is! And it's all thanks to Josh Cooley!
@@ThomasLover-fr8nhword. That really made me wanna slap Bonnie
What gets on my nerves is that in the movie its established it had only been a month since Woody was last played with. Compare that to the years the other toys had to endear in a box in the 3rd movie. Incredibly hypocritical and out of character.
Disney recently with their sequels has been doing this whole "friends splitting" plot that really gets on my nerves because it's never done right. Ralph had to learn in the first Wreck It Ralph that his role in Fix It Felix JR is important and the game wouldn't be the same without him and that game-jumping is dangerous and against the rules. Vanellope left Sugar Rush in Wreck It Ralph 2 because she got bored of her game and they completely forget the first film ever happened. They never bring it up, and we're supposed to just accept it as it is.
In Frozen, Elsa feels completely isolated and unwelcome everywhere she goes because of what she did to her sister when they were younger. She couldn't forgive herself, but at the end, she finally accepts Anna's act of true love and the two sisters rejoice and they both rule over their kingdom together. in Frozen 2, she just leaves. Why? Because she heard a mysterious voice coming from the woods. She literally just abandons her sister and kingdom to go live in the woods. The movie tries to excuse it as her "calling" to become the new guardian of the land, but it literally comes out of nowhere at the end, like it was a last-minute decision and they wanted to shock the audience.
The only movie I can think of to do this plot-point right is How To Train Your Dragon 3 because they had a valid reason for it instead of throwing it in to make people cry. For the entire movie series, there have been multiple dragon hunters that Hiccup had to face and defeat so it was pretty clear the franchise would eventually come to this. In the movie, Hiccup tries to reason with the villain who is another dragon hunter, only that he is a lot different than the others in the way he approaches achieving his goal, and he gets a wake-up call and realize that dragons will always be hunted by humans so he seeks to find a rumored "hidden world" so they could lead them all there to live peacefully. It makes sense to the franchise and it was executed right.
I couldn't agree more
People completely miss the point of TS4. Woody doesn’t leave because he isn’t played with. He is shown to be played with briefly during the road-trip montage.
The reason Woody sticks beside Andy for so long because is because he had a long standing deep personal connection. He is unwilling to accept any alternative from Andy for most of the movie. His arc in TS3 is learning to let go of Andy and finally move on to something new.
In TS4, Woody feels like his purpose has been fulfilled through Andy going off to college. He has slowly come to realize that Bonnie doesn’t love or need Woody the same way Andy did and therefore Woody can’t be there for her the same way he was there for Andy. But that’s ok because Woody is still sticking by Bonnie. He’s doing everything he can to take care of her even though he is unnoticed and unappreciated.
He follows her to kindergarten when she is scared, but stays hidden and never tries to take the glory for himself. He jumps out of the window of a moving RV just to rescue and return a Spork because he knows it will make her happy. (TS1 Woody would’ve let Forky just fly away). He is going out of his way to look out for Bonnie at every turn.
Then he is reunited with Bo Peep who has been on her own for years. Introducing Woody to a whole new lifestyle for toys. A lifestyle he once believed to be one of the worst case scenarios for a toy. He learns that being lost and ownerless doesn’t have to be a bad thing. He starts to realize that there are lots of toys that have been lost their entire lives and have never had an owner or even been played with once. After helping Gabby unite with the lost girl at the carnival it reignites a passion and fulfillment inside of him that he hasn’t felt in a long time. He has finally discovered a new purpose outside of being with a kid. He can help lost toys find owners and potentially create the same bond that he once had with Andy and briefly Bonnie.
But even after all of this he isn’t willing to leave until after Buzz gives Woody his blessing and assures him that Bonnie will be ok and taken care of by the rest of them. If the only reason he left was because he wasn’t played with or because of Bo then he could’ve and would’ve left much earlier in the film.
The previous movies have hinted and nearly gone through with Woody and the rest of the gang separating as well. In TS2, Woody very nearly goes to the museum and twice in TS3. Once when Woody leaves the group at Sunnyside to go back to Andy and again towards the end of the movie when Woody nearly goes to college while the others would’ve gone to the attic.
I do agree that Ralph Breaks the Internet and Frozen II did this very poorly. The reason it’s handled so badly in Ralph 2 is because the first movie hammers home the rules and consequences of going Turbo and the sequel completely ignores it. Plus they made Vanellope want to abandon the game that she spent the entire first movie fighting to be a part of right from the start of the sequel. And in Frozen II it just comes completely out of nowhere. Maybe if I rewatched the movie there might be some clues and foreshadowing but I just have no desire to do so.
I haven’t seen HTTYD3 but I’ve heard it’s good. Wasn’t much of a fan of HTTYD2 tbh but will still give 3 a shot.
I agree with you, even though I kind of liked Frozen 2. And I'm glad you point out The Hidden World ending for the Dreamworks Dragons series as acceptable. I know it's not what this video is about, but I feel like many dislike the ending of HTTYD 3, because "Toothless left his best friend for a girl". It's not the only reason, it's obvious in the movie itself that the dragons left to be kept safe. Night Furies were literally hunt to extinction. Unless the Night Lights had some incest going on later generations, after taking on Light Fury mates the first few times, Night Fury genes would be gone. There's plenty of Light Furies in the Hidden World, too. Sure, Hiccup and the vikings could've kept their dragons and fought against all odds together, but Toothless has the best chance of raising a family and pass on his genes, if they're in the Hidden World. They wouldn't have to worry about being a target. And Berk was a target because of all the dragons they had. They made the decision to free their dragons, so neither side had to worry to that extent. With no dragons left on the surface, they wouldn't have to worry about other vikings attacking them with powerful types either. It's also heavily implied Berk has most of the population of dragons in one place, so when those followed Alpha Toothless underground, the surface dragons would likely seek out the rest and find the place, or die out. With some imagination, it's not that hard to make the ending believable. Besides, Hiccup and Toothless weren't seperated forever. They can visit eachother, and still care.
@@SlipNJimmy You have a point. Interesting analysis. The movie wasn't for me personally, and it was pretty much unnecessary, but I can see that the plot isn't unforgivingly bad.
Httyd 3 sucked
Toy Story 3 was the perfect ending to the story. Weather or not toy story 4 was good or bad was irrelevant because 3 ended so perfectly. 4 feels and has always felt like a well made but ultimately pointless cash grab.
That is what I'm saying 👏🏾
3rd movie had a prefect ending
Whether*
EXACTLY!! I was upset that they proceeded to make another movie that didn't even need to exist.
@@sagittariusbeauty I love everything toy story everything about it even felt toy story four 4 is incredible I can felt that some people was hurt felling with toy story 4 becuses some people belived was cash grab but destiny for some reason dint wanted to be the last toy story flim the third one I was 11 went came out Been someone with austistic went I saw toy story 4 almost of the people enjoy well my sister been his birthday also my mom my young sister say that she dispise bonnie this flim was no lickable to her to her saying was great but felt flop over the first 3 flims becuses the end felt like contradicting the ending of third I did actually kinda becuse woody left it gang bonnie breaks his promise also I praise your video it excellent on every level becuses your opnion is correct but in a kind way you see there this youtuber call gamingmagic13 it make like 5 long videos about toy story 4 but the due is beyond insane he hated toy story 4 alot becuses felt like it brain 🧠 destroyed it life the four one becuse of everything that happen it say it a 1 hours 5 part videos the dude is in need sicological therapy or mental treatment you need to see a video of him becuse a friend of my mine that has a toy story channel mexico 🇲🇽 Hispanic told him something to call it down about his hatedtreh but gamingmagic13 was too rude disrespectful it told this message that it long about saying you are not a true fan I am the true fan f-ck you for infinity and beyond something like that annyway talking about toy story 4 is a long complex talk felling about we should have another discussion about it in a better time
Yeah, 4 wasn't "bad", but it just... didn't need to exist. It felt more like a non canon spin-off/sequel than a "true ending"
Bopep is so extremely mean towards Woody. When she called him an accessory, I raged.
It's uncalled for, yes. But the point of her words is that Woody lacks identity outside his owner. He needs to find his own self outside everyone else. His decision is a bit extreme yes, but ultimately sometimes people need to step away from their past to find who they will be in their future.
@@PathBeyondTheDark Well I agree with Jori Joestar. I never liked how Bo treated Woody either. A good message to convey to kids is that sometimes people change over the years, and it goes to show that someone you loved when you were younger doesn't stay the same person as time passes. And Bo Peep is a perfect example of that. But to see Woody stay with her in the end just because he loves her (but she also verbally abuses him) absolutely disgusts me. You do know that, do you?
No she didn’t 😮
@@kenziej4301 She didn't what?
There's this one scene that I remember when Woody and Bo got to the pinball machine club. When Woody asks, "Uh, what are we doing--?" and then Bo says "Shh! Just stand there and be quiet." Jeez Louise. All he did was ask her a simple question and all she could do in response is aggressively tell him to shut up and stand by doing nothing? What is wrong with her? Woody is doing everything in his power to help her and this is how she treats him? Good grief. Maybe it's for the best that she left him when she did; I mean clearly she has no respect for him whatsoever anymore. Then Bo told Woody that she would do the talking, as if he's some kind of idiot and that she has such a way with words. So Tin Toy lets them into the pinball machine and upon asking her if Woody is her friend, she says, "My friend? No, no, no, he's my accessory." This goes to show that she is a terrible compassionless person with no respect for anybody anymore. Plus that comment she said to Tin Toy about Woody made me wanna jump into the movie so I can give her a piece of my mind. I mean, come on, Woody's a toy, not an accessory!
It’s funny when Kingdom Hearts 3 treats Woody with more respect, as opposed to Toy Story 4
My problem is there is a LOT of abusive and manipulative undertones in this movie. I'm someone who was stuck in TWO manipulative and emotionally abusive relationships and this movie really made me not just annoyed but angry. It takes a lot for me to become angry at a film, but the way Bo Peep talks to Woody, gaslights him and treats him is gross. She's less a love interest and more this weird controlling person. Then you have the whole thing with Gabby Gabby trying to take Woody's voice box. First she forces him and we won't get into the whole tone of "consent" there, but then she takes ALL the information she coaxed out of Forky and uses it to MANIPULATE Woody into giving her the voice box. This movie is a MESS of abusive undertones and it unsettles me.
Not to mention Forky and her parted after that with a huge hug, as if she was never holding him captive in the first place.
I'm surprised she never got confronted with that. They literally let that shit slide as if Gabby was innocent. As for Bo Beep, I couldn't help but be on Woody's side. A toy was endangered and she didn't seem to give af. At least she tried to help at first
Hard agree. Gabby Gabby was the worst character in the franchise and I had no sympathy for her at all.
I'm to hear about what happened to you. I hope that your life is far better now. Take care.
The way Bo treats woody is horrible. She never once treats him as an equal and constantly talks down to him and talks shit to other people when he is RIGHT THERE
There were many issues I had with the film. I could never get around the Gabby Gabby character, Bo just wasn't Bo, and the ending didn't feel emotional for me because all the characters Woody's saying goodbye to have barely been in the film.
Bo evolved
@@MossPathway I get that's the idea, but it didn't feel like an extension of her character, but a completely different character.
@@benraven9087 Yes, the old Bo Peep cared about Woody's loyalty to his owner. She felt bad even when Andy lost him in the first movie, this Bo Peep doesn't give a damn about Woody or his wants or needs at all. So for him to just leave with her in the end is a slap in the face to the original Toy Story trilogy.
@@MossPathway More like regressed and turned a 180 as a character.
Tbh most of the characters were littarly just in a van most of the movie
That's just it.
Toy Story 3 felt like the natural progression of the story, and by extension in a meta context, a toy's life.
Toy Story 4 was like, "Hahaha...progression...an ending..."
I fully agree. Aside from the main theme and plot, the Gabby subplot also frustrated me because the whole 'being made with a faulty voice box' situation can easily come off as a disability metaphor but in the end they just "fixed" her instead of helping her succeed the way she is. It felt gross, especially since she used harassment and manipulation to get what she wanted in the first place. (With woody being at a low point and hearing what felt like a sob story before he finally agreed)
I didn't think about that when I first watched it. Hm, that's quite disappointing. It can easily be a mistake, unintentional, but it still has the potential to be harmful.
I can understand where the disability comparisons come from, but I don’t necessarily agree. The movie establishes right from Gabby’s introduction that her voice box can be fixed very easily if she gets the right parts. Most disabilities can’t be fixed, at least not entirely. And the voice box itself isn’t even attached to her like it is for Woody or other toys. She could get rid of the voice box altogether is she wanted to. It is really more of an insecurity for Gabby. She thinks she needs to be perfect to get a child’s love and attention. But she ultimately realizes that even with her voice fixed there will still be some kids who don’t like/want her.
This could be applied to the disability metaphor too where just because her disability was “fixed” doesn’t mean she automatically got everything she wanted.
I always hated the fact that woody had to give up his voicebox to save an insignificant plastic fork that didn’t want to be a toy. It feels in vain and just bad writing woody gave an important component of himself to Gabby Gabby.
Not to mention she had no character redemption moment AND got what she wanted in the end
@@zalybrainlessgenius503 and she didn't even apologize for hurting Woody and manipulating him into handing over his voice box. She only tried to give it back since she had no use for it and got rejected by that little girl. Gabby Gabby deserves no happiness.
Toy story 4 implies that Woody loves Bo peep more than Andy. Considering that the focus of the trilogy is Woody's relationship with Andy, it just cheapens the experience of the first 3 movies.
The fact that Bo is barely even a cameo in the first two movies and not even present in 3, I just find it hard to believe that after Woody had given up one of the most important people in his life to be with Buzz, Jessie, Slink, Mr. Potato head and the rest of the gang, that he just abandons them after a few months for his crush from 5+ years ago. All because his fragile ego is challenged by a spork.
@glitchon An unearned emotional ending is emotional manipulation. There is a thin line between the two and they crossed it.
He didnt abandon his friends for some booty, he took a step toward finding himself separate from his co-dependence on Andy. Andy was gone and the girl was never going to fill that gap because she is not Andy. He depended too heavily on that relationship and lacked identity. He needed to find a new reason to live, and he did.
@@PathBeyondTheDark Woody leaving his friends/family to be with Bo completely and utterly goes against his character. Hell, even in the audio commentary for Toy Story 3 the director and writers themselves stated that Woody ditching the other toys to be with Andy would not only make him look like a jerk but it would go against his character.
@@puffnstuff7905 Yeah, and as Lee Unkrich, the director of said movie said that Woody just wouldn't do it. In fact, he shouldn't do it.
@@PathBeyondTheDark so you're saying you should leave your family and friends who care about you just to be with a girl who you haven't seen in over 5 years and talks shit to you? You have problems
I agree completely. They basically ruined the overarching narrative, and this is how the franchise is going to be perceived forever from this point. That is, unless they come up with the Toy Story 5 to somehow fix the situation, but I doubt they think it's broken at all. I prefer to pretend the 4th film doesn't exist...
I’m not watching Toy Story 5 (if they ever make it, and let’s face it with how much Disney and Pixar love making money now I can’t see any reason why they wouldn’t even without Tom Hanks) unless it undoes the ending of 4. And even then no matter what they do it’ll always still be kinda broken.
tell me about it. it pretty much said everything about being a toy in the first 3 was bullshit & ruined the perfect finale 3 was
I personally don’t consider 4 to be canon. I know it is, but in my personal head canon, the 4th movie was an alternate universe kind of scenario where Bonnie didn’t give Woody attention, which contradicts her love for him in the 3rd movie where it seemed like he was her new favorite toy.
I see the 4th movie as Andy's fever dream, than he wakes up wondering if his toys are even alive but than dismissing it as ridiculous
Part 5 should be Andy at a goodwill as an adult dad and discovers woody, realizes it’s the exact woody he owned as a child and meets a whole new gang of baby toys 🤷🏼♀️ and bo peep broke to pieces
I agree.
I literally do this with any sequel I don't like.
They even got Andy’s house wrong in the first scene, so it is kinda canon tbh
I really hate what they did to Bonnie in this film. Let's get it straight: it is completely realistic for her to forget about her old toys in favour of new ones. But the Toy Story franchise has been willing to do what is satisfying over what is realistic. The writers of the original 3 movies were very aware that the sentimental way Andy took care of his toys was a little strange. They admitted that they themselves were closer to Sid when they played with toys. But they understood that if they wrote Andy to be realistic and callous with his toys, then the audience wouldn't like him and wouldn't understand why the toys always want to be with him.
In 3 and the toon shorts, they wrote Bonnie with a similar philosophy. She's similarly very caring to her toys, greeting them when she comes into her room and is very keen to integrate new toys into her play time with old toys. She draws pictures of them, which is not really something most kids do, but it makes her endearing and makes Andy's passing down of the toys to her feel like it was worth it. She was always a shy girl who's real energised personality becomes clear when she's alone with the toys.
The issue with 4 is that they knew that if they wrote her the way they had been doing, then we would feel really for her when her precious Cowboy chooses to leave her. So they wrote her to be an annoying callous child who forgets her toys. Remember how she would include new toys in play times with old toys? Well now she totally forgets her old toys and doesn't realize when they're missing. Maybe she lost Totoro and the peas at the playground and never ever realized, with how quickly she forgot about Woody, it's total possible.
Imagine if they made an UP sequel, and we realize Russell lost the Ellie badge. That super meaningful gift that Carl gave to him as a symbol of love and respect? A memento from his dead wife? Russell lost it in the wash, it's gone now. After all, it's completely realistic, you lose small items all the time. But people would HATE Russell after that. That's basically what they did to Bonnie.
Imagine if they followed the time skip rule that the other films followed, and Bonnie's now a preteen or something. Instead of outgrowing toys like most children do, she's instead become interested in repairing toys and making customs. After making Forky in kindergarten, thus has a become a passion for her. It would be like what Sid was doing but put into a new light. Maybe she runs into the antique shop in town, and bonds with the elderly owner who makes her feel better about having a strange passion. Maybe Bo is on sell there, and Woody and can run into her there and it would be cool to see how she's grown and changed without Woody around. I think it would have been cool.
They didn't need to make a fourth Toy Story film - everything was neatly tied up and finished with the end of Toy Story 3. But greed knows no boundaries and they had to make another one for a quick cash grab.
My thoughts exactly. Toy Story 4 feels so out of character for Woody. They really should've just left it at 3. I remember seeing the 3rd one in theaters with my dad and everybody, including us, sobbing in the theater. I'll never forget this giant muscular man and his elderly mom sitting behind us also sobbing at the end. When I saw the 4th one, I left the theater just so confused and disappointed. Not bad if it were a stand alone film, but when you connect it with the 3 previous films, it just doesn't feel right. I love Disney but you can just tell they were so money hungry when they decided to make this film and I just choose to not acknowledge Toy Story 4 as part of the canon franchise, just like how I don't acknowledge Cars 2 lol
In all honesty, Cars 2 probably would’ve received better reviews if was titled “Mater: A Cars Story” instead of “Cars 2”
Pixar not Disney.
tell me about it. the last shot of 3 was the clouds on andys wallpaper & thats how the first one all started. it was the perfect finale. the shorts & tv specials after that were awesome but a fourth movie was just the stupidest fucking idea. woody taught buzz & jessie himself that having kids love them was the whole damn reason toys were invented in the first place. i heard pixar decided while 3 was the end of woodys story it wasnt the end of his story & thats such bullshit. he & buzz said in 3 whatever happened they were all gonna be 2gether 4 infinity & beyond & thats how it shouldve been. im 27 & have all of them. woodys my favorite like andy & hes the first one i got 8 years ago at toys r us! i got him with me right now & i promised him i’ll always love him & take care of him no matter how old i am!!! i didnt care if i was 19!!! slinks my second favorite cuz im a dog person & he was his best friend b4 buzz. when i play with woody & buzz sometimes i tell them they mightve said goodbye but theyll have each other & all be 2gether 4 infinity & beyond like it shouldve been as long as theyre with me. im glad toys r us opened back up in macys but i hope they open their actual stores back up like they planned b4 fucking covid. i still love it & toys
😹 everyone crying for inanimate objects
I honestly forget 4 exists, and I think the biggest memory I have about it is being confused because the first reviews I heard of when it was in theaters were mixed.
The movie was pretty, but I'm not sure I agree that it was great.
I don't like how they handled Buzz. The 'inner conscious' thing where he was pushing his buttons to figure out what to do was so far out of character.
Woody was absolutely butchered. Even in the fourth movie he goes on about how having a child to look after makes his life complete. The whole point of giving up the voice box is how having a child to play with is wonderful. Yet he turns his back on everyone else for Bo who has just showed up after like nine years I think it was?
Also Bonnie was playing with him. We see her playing with him in the RV. Maybe she wasn't playing with him often, but that's still a really weak reason to just turn around and leave.
Woody's whole character is founded on loyalty to his child and the other toys. I don't see anything in this movie that leads me to believe he has a good reason to change his mind.
The whole scene with the RV and GPS breaks suspension of disbelief so horribly.
Honestly a lot of the movie feels like the writers got themselves into a corner and didn't know how to get themselves out. So plot convenience even if it makes no sense!
Toy Story 4’s director leaned hard into the idea of the toys being parental figures, which makes the ending of,
“Leave your kids to run off with your girlfriend”, be so sick.
The movie has lthe exact opposite message as any of the other movies, and puts it in a context that actually make the message more toxic than it could ever have been in the previous installments.
Something not many people realize is that, after the first film, Woody is basically the "father figure", so to speak, of Andy's toys: he's the one who keeps them together, the one who leads them, and the one who manages to lift their mood wherever he's around because he doesn't lose hope, he's always moving forward. He's basically the link that keeps the whole gang together.
Now imagine, with him gone, that Andy's toys (and also Bonnie's at this point) encounter a big problem like in the third movie, for example. In the third movie, the toys are able to escape their containers, but they only manage to escape the daycare when Woody comes back. So if they ever happen to find themselves in big trouble, and with poor Buzz having been dumbed down, they would be screwed.
A leader in a group has a very importante role: to keep a cool head, know everyone's strenghts and weaknesses, avoid fear and chaos in the group, and with that, form a plan to get them out of any bad situation using everyone's strenghts to the whole group's advantage.
Well, not anymore for these guys, unless they find a new leader who takes the time to know all of them like Woody did, and all of that before a new calamity happens.
GG Pixar.
Man I couldnt agree more. I might be the biggest Toy Story fan in existence, and Toy Story 3 is one of my Top 3 favorite movies, but couldnt stand the fourth one, and this helped sort of put into words why.
Bonnie and Ducky sole purpose was for Disney to sell more toys. There barely contribute to the plot and there was no reason for them to follow Buzz after they fell from the prize wall. The man could have easily put them there again.
Sorry for the ones who love those two but they definetly fell to the scrappy category.
The main issue I have with the ending is that we can see throughout the film that Woody has strong feelings for Bo Peep, yet she doesn't. She treats him like an acquaintance, a friend at most. From that perspective, going with Bo seems to Woody like a no-brainer decision of an infatuated person ignoring the red flags and desperately holding on to a glimmer of hope. In that situation, Bo should've told him to go with his friends, but instead, she seems to prioritise Woody's short-term happiness by letting him go with her instead of his long-term well-being since there doesn't seem to be any substantial chemistry between the two characters and a break-up is more than obviously underway. She's essentially intentionally leading him on, and the filmmakers making that seem like a win for all seems very short-sighted in my eyes and a waste of a powerful moment that could've been used to actually teach the audience something.
toy story 4 is a _fine_ standalone film. the issue is how much it ignores or actively goes against the first 3 films.
I have many problems with this film, including: forky, the fact they introduce new pointless characters, woddy just complete abandons the friends he almost died for and went back to save in the last film, all our loved characters barely get any screen time some have like no lines at all, his Bonnie seems like she’s 2 she seemed more mature in the last film, Woddy’s characters completely changes, and forky. So how would I write this movie well….
First is omg forky, just why. I know these are kids films but Pixar is known for making movies that both kids and adult enjoy. And all I feel watching forky is annoying oh man is he annoying what’s the point of his characters I just wish he got thrown in a fire pit. A way to fix it maybe instead they should have made Woddy fall out of the van then Buzz goes after him. Then on their way back they gave a deep conversation about everything they’ve been though and how Woddy feels now to show how he’s changed. Then maybe like Buzz gets kidnapped by Gaby Gaby, then Woddy meets up with Bo. And instead of introducing even more characters Woddy and Bo go to meet up with the rest of all of the toys we love from 3 previous movies. Then they all team up to save Buzz. Throughout their brilliant plan Bo and Woddy talk about life and stuff and he begins to consider things. Buzz and Gaby have a chat about being a toy and being loved and Buzz kinda sees how his friend isn’t really that lived anymore. All the toys come up with a complex plan to break Buzz out. They fail to save Buzz and then Woddy gives Gaby his voice box and goes with Bo. Even though this movie is kinda pointless since the third one had a perfect ending and they completely changed Woddy’s character I think that like this it’s better cause it at least would include the original characters and give us a chance to say a final goodbye to them.
Forky was offensive to mentally challenged
I disagree with you. The Toy Story trilogy is perfect and it only got BETTER with 2 and 3. The animation is stunning, the storylines are deeply heartfelt and emotional and the characters feel like family (speaking for myself, I am emotionally invested in these characters and I WEPT at the end of the third movie). I LOATHE Toy Story 4 for several reasons. First of all, it wasn't even NEEDED. Everything was wrapped up perfectly with the third movie. It COMPLETELY CHEAPENS and insults Bonnie's promise to Andy at the end of the third movie....she SPECIFICALLY wanted Woody and she PROMISED Andy that she would take care of Woody and the rest...ONLY TO REPLACE WOODY WITH LITERAL TRASH. Who EVEN SAYS he is trash. He does NOT endear himself to us like Buzz and Jessie do in the first two movies....he is trash and that's it. WHY is this character the replacement for Woody (who has been, up until this point, the heart and soul of the Toy Story movies???) Secondly, they completely violated and destroyed both Buzz AND Woody's characters in the fourth film. He saves Woody from Sid's dog in the first movie and gets them back to Andy. In the second movie, Buzz clearly establishes his loyalty to Woody by going to rescue Woody from Al. He's willing to risk everything to get his friend back. In the third movie, he's willing to risk everything AGAIN, when they are about to be shredded and burned, to help Woody free Lotso when he's trapped under the golf bag. No hesitation...no little voice telling him what to do. He's there for his friend. In this movie, I DO NOT see that loyalty AT ALL from Buzz. Yes, he DOES initially go to look for Woody, but then, he just stands there and allows the stuffed toys to beat Woody up on the roof of the antique store and when Woody wants to go back to find the stupid Fork Face HE LEAVES and abandons Woody and returns to the RV because some stupid voice on the button said to do that. in the end, he ENCOURAGES Woody to go with the stupid Bo Peep (who BTW, didn't even seem all that happy to see Woody. She seemed more annoyed that Woody had found her and like he was interfering with her new life....which makes his choice to stay with her over Bonnie even MORE painful. And, rather than staying with Bonnie, Woody chooses her (which Woody doing that COMPLETELY shatters his strongest character trait...that, as you say, he is loyal to his child (Andy and Bonnie) and to this family he has created with Buzz and the other toys. Buzz would NEVER abandon his friend and Woody would NEVER abandon his family and Bonnie. NEVER NEVER NEVER. That choice is what made this story cheap. And the fact that the stupid Gabbydygook doll got her happy ending when she didn't even NEED Woody's voice box is ALSO ridiculous. WHY does she deserve a happy ending?
I also felt like toy story 4 had a lot of the characters doing things that didn’t really make sense. I didn’t like where they took the story and I felt that Woody deciding to leave was a big betrayal of Buzz and the other characters. In general, I just pretend that the movie doesn’t exist so that it doesn’t ruin the ending of the original three films’ story for me.
Yeah Toy Story 4 pretty much undid EVERYTHING the previous three films had established. Friends, staying together, family..... Toy Story 3 was the perfect ending as it explored what Toy Story 2 eluded to, which was Andy growing up. It showed an old group of friends staying together.... So here's an idea. Why didn't Boo Peep just go with Woody and the others?!! Why not have her rediscover what it's like to be loved by a single child? Have her learn what Forky did? Another thing that upset me was Bonny! I know she's just a kid but come on! Woody was the first toy of Andy's that she bonded with! He's the toy she reached out for...which Andy with a slightly broken heart gave to her. Oh yeah what was it that Andy said about Woody?
"And the best thing about Woody is, he'll never give up on you"
One movie later he gives up on her.
TS4 is IMDB Bottom 100 material! I still love TS1-3 but 4 is absolutely terrible!
When Toy Story 4 had a swap with directors, 75% of the original script was thrown out. I still wonder to this day how different the movie would've been. Sad to know that what we got is the absolute last Toys Story film. Toy Story 3 ended it perfectly, so I honestly ignore the existence of Toy Story 4.
Me too.
I kinda hope someone makes that video someday, I want to see what the original plan of 4 was before it was butchered
*Reads thumbnail*
Yes, yes they did. The story arc ends with the third movie for me.
I completely agree, tbh. Toy Story 4 actively makes Toy Story 3 worse by existing - and I think that's the mark of a bad sequel.
I feel like the longer the movies been out, the more and more people are started to realize that it doesn't quite hold up, especially when compared to the prior three movies. "Inconsistent" is by far the best way to describe this movie as a whole.
I woulda preferred a TS4 where Bonnie finds out the toys are alive freaks out at first but then learns to have fun with her living talking toys how ever there are people who are scarred that the living toys are extremely dangerous and need to be destroyed yet Bonnie wants to protect them.
I straight up hated Toy Story 4…Toy Story 3 gave a wonderful send off for every character and a happy ending. 4 takes Woody, one of the most loyal characters and re-writes him to be self centered and non focused on Bonnie. It basically ruined the happy ending
so did i & i just heard pixar confirmed a fifth damn one. im pissed asf. i cant believe it. this shit ruined our childhoods & the perfect finale 3 was already
I'm mixed on TS4. While it's not a bad film on it's own, as a Toy Story movie it kinda shitty. Yeah it's got some good ideas, but the script and execution of it all could've used another rewrite.
Also more of a personal nitpick, but while it's great that Don Rickles returned as Mr. Potato Head via archive recordings, I kinda wish they did more his takes. I get that Rickles couldn't return due to his passing in 2017 (rest in peace btw), but I think having his role reduced to simple stuff like "hey watch it buddy" or "you've gotta be kiddin" is kind of a disservice to his character. It's not bad nor does it ruin the movie for me, but it's just something I would've liked to see expanded upon more (kinda like Cars 3 with Doc's flashbacks).
Toy Story 3 was Andy’s conclusion, where as 4 was Woodys conclusion. Quite poetic actually.
Toy story 4 made the other villains like Lotso and The Prospector perspective correct, and sent a terrible message at the end.
Yes!! Thank goodness I am not the only one. My friends and I still believe that the third movie was the perfect stopping point and no need to continue by doing a fourth film. Plus there was only one point where Bonnie was playing with Woody and Forky, so there’s a difference between being played with less and not played at all. But my biggest issue other than that was Bo because I felt she was somehow out of character and gotten more bossy, and bringing Forky was pointless, and the worst of all, Woody giving his voice box to Gabby Gabby. So now Woody will never be the same, and the ending of Toy Story 3 was in vain.
Iconic Trio 1-3:
Woody-Loyal
Buzz-Most intelligent character
Jesse-Exited for everything
Iconic Trio in 4:
Woody-Abandoned his friends and kid
Buzz-Moron
Jesse-Left behind in the RV
I absolutely loved Toy story 1-3 ❤️ but hated 4..
I agree with you
Same
Me too.
I agree! I have before enjoyed other widely hated movie sequels like Shrek The Third and Cars 2 but Toy Story 4 is my 2nd most hated animated movie of the 2010s behind The Emoji Movie!
Toy story 5 opens with woody woody!, wake up you were having a nightmare
Woody was 1-3 when our child needs us we’ll be there, and in 4, was like “looks like I’m not needed anymore so I’m out” >:C
i HAVE never watched toy story 4, and I will never watch toy story 4. For me, the story ended with 3 (with maybe the later shorts as an epilogue).
They ruined Woody
They ruined Buzz
They made Bo unlikable
All the other toys were stuck into an RV
Yes. This movie sucks.
I’m just gonna tell myself Annie Potts signed onto a different movie.
To take a quote from Saberspark when he reviewed this film: "This feels more like the story of a parent after the child has full grown up." Woody, in this case, is the parent. He's been there for Andy all his life, always there to cheer him up when he's sad, always there to keep him company whenever he feels lonely, always there to help face his fears. He pretty much raised Andy, aside from his actual mom, and while the fourth film made Woody seem out of character compared to the other three movies, it made sense to why he's like this, at least to me.
Woody is a parent who lost his sense of purpose, and has been trying to fill that void, like he did with Jessie in Toy Story 2.
I was so excited to see Bo Peep again but got disappointed when they ruined her character
3 movies and those movie shorts were enough
I feel like they could’ve made a show about Bonnie which would’ve been cute imo
Both me and my friend hated the ending of toy story 4
toy story 4 really didn't need to happen. Sure, we would have never found out what happened to Bo Peep, but 3 was the perfect end to the series. Woody and the remaining toys are able to play with Andy one last time before a final farewell and being left in the hands of Bonnie, who obviously cares for her new additions. That was really the best ending one could ask for, and with how Hollywood has been acting for the past couple of decades, you KNOW the only reason why they even considered this movie was for the money, which cheapens anything they do in the end when you know their priorities aren't about telling good stories and leaving lasting memories, but instead trying to rake in as much cash as they possibly can, and it's painfully obvious with all these live action remakes that really don't need to be happening.
They could’ve had the opening scene of 4 be a short so then people would know what happened to her. We didn’t need the pile of crap that is the fourth movie
@@bengilhooly3616 probably not. Bo peep was a dainty feminine presence, which makes sense because she's a porcelain doll, which is known for being very easily damaged. They just made her a power girl figure for the feminist agenda. Toy story 4's bo peep is not the same bo peep in 1 or 2. A short would be fine to show exactly what happened to her, but I think it should have been left alone. From woody's reaction her being either donated or sold was kind of an easy assumption to make since the second movie was more or less caused by a yard sale.
There was a 5 hour video essay on how toy story 4 ruined everything and the creator brought up how Bonnie played with woody in the montage intro. That on only THREE accounts mentioned in the movie, woody does not get played by Bonnie, but during the road-trip, there’s moments where Bonnie is playing with forky AND woody. So there technically isn’t a reason for him to feel neglected at all because he’s still getting played with.
You're talking about GamingMagic13's 5 part video essay "How Toy Story 4 Destroyed Everything".
TS4 just leaves me feeling empty inside. In the last 20 mins, things just happen and don't end in a satisfactory way. Woody gives up the voice box,essentially rewarding the villain. It's very forced and you can tell Woody isn't all that happy about it but he goes through with it anyway because getting forky over to bonie "its all that's left for him" apparently. There is no feeling of triumphantly beating the odds, just acceptance of defeat, followed by rewarding the villain and Woody going through the motions.
Then the film spends a solid portion trying to coddle Gabby rather than give Woody a meaningful conclusion where he talks to the rest of his friends about his decision to stay and why he thinks leaving Bonnie is what's best. It makes the goodbye scene feel all the more rushed and out of character.
. Woody is forever going to be a lost toy since he can no longer be played with without the voice box and he's probably never gonna see his old gang again. And this is officially how the toy story saga ends, with Woody forever leaving his friends, his voice box taken away and nothing left to look forward to. This movie just leaves me wishing it had never happened
tell me about it. it ruined everything. the last shot of 3 was the clouds in the sky like on andys wallpaper & thats how the first movie all started. it was the perfect finale. the shorts & tv specials after that were awesome but not another movie. bo peep was never one of my favorite characters 4 whatever reason. ive heard some people say 3 ended andys story while 4 ended woodys & thats such bullshit. toy story that time 4got shouldve ended his story. he & buzz said in 3 whatever happened they were all gonna be 2gether & thats how it shouldve been
The fact that this film undoes so much good from the first 3 while also ruining character arcs and motivations in that process makes it a bad film. I don't see much good in it other that the visuals and the acting.
I see Toy Story 4 as an epilogue to the series. I sort it separately to the others in my mind, which lets me appreciate it on its own, without influencing my thoughts on the other films.
I can't really tell if the ending bothers me just because it makes me feel sad/nostalgic to see Woody leave his family (the one I grew up with), or if it's because I genuinely don't think it was in line with his character. But seeing the film as a separate entity makes me more ok with it.
What is not inline with a character losing the reason for his existence and not finding the same happiness with someone else? This is a very simple concept to understand - toy loves his boy to the point of co-dependence, something clearly on display in the movies. When that connection is severed a part of his identity was too. The film is about finding ones own identity separate from anyone else. Only then you can hope to move on and be happy.
Btw i am not saying you are saying he is out of character, just that in general this seems to be the consensus in this comment section and it makes no sense seeing as the film spends its entire runtime showing you just how miserable and lost Woody is. Its not hard to see why he makes the decision he does.
@@PathBeyondTheDark Honestly you make some very good points. I definitely agree that it was healthy for Woody to move on from Andy, and later Bonnie, to find his own sense of purpose. I think what bothers me more is his decision to leave the rest of the toys, because they’re a family with an incredibly strong bond, and it feels like he left them a bit too easily. But either way I agree with what you’re saying and I think I understand his decision more now.
I think that Toy Story 4 is actually a very bad movie and I don’t think the audience score is accurate. What made the first 3 films so great was the characters. In TS4 the characters are completely different. The action ready characters like Jessie are sidelined as if they wouldn’t charge in and help. The smart characters, specifically Buzz, are made out to be complete idiots. Finally Woody’s most defining trait starting at the end of TS1 and going past the end of TS3 is that he is loyal. “He’ll never give up on you; no matter what” makes me cry every time I watch TS3. I literally refuse to watch that movie with anyone because I am a mess at the end. And at the end of TS4 they had Woody make the exact opposite choice than he would have make in every other film. That is why, in my mind, Toy Story 3 the last film in the franchise.
The middle part of toy story 3 was meh, the beginning and end were perfect
Toy Story 4 isn't a bad movie in isolation...but it's thematically contradictory to the films that came before it, which is why it feels so wrong. I have the exact same criticism towards How to Train Your Dragon 3.
Toy story 4 infuriated me. It ruined not only woody but buzz and bo peep as well. I own the first 3. I'll never buy the 4th
so do i & neither will i
Woody cares about everyone but there are three who he cares about the most, Andy, Bo peep, and Buzzlighter. Woody has chosen Andy over Bo peep, before because he values Andy more, this time he chose Bo peep cause she’s second most valuable thing to him after Andy.
Woody abandoned them, badly written.
3:50 These movies made me feel this way as well, thought I was the only one actually lol
I wish they just made a bo peep movie instead of this
Toy Story 4 is not good - it kinda shits on most characters more or less : Buzz acts like an idiot pushing his buttons for advice, Jessie is barely in it (so is Rex, Ham, Slinky & Potatohead as well as Bully), neither are Bonnies old toys.....
I hated the film, I think it signals that Pixar has lost something essential.
I felt exactly how you felt about the fourth Toy Story, pal. When I saw Toy Story 3, I was not happy with it because I thought its adult jokes, Buzz Lightyear dancing, talking in Spanish and the terrifying incinerator part and that Andy gave all his toys to Bonnie, including Woody, ruined it all for me, but as I watched it over and over, I began to realize that I was wrong. Toy Story 3 wrapped things up perfectly for Andy, Woody, Buzz, and the rest of the characters. But when I heard the news for a Toy Story 4, I was a little unsure about it, but being a die-hard Toy Story fan, I decided to give it a chance. As I watched it I was starting to enjoy the first five minutes of the movie but ask the story progressed, my mood slowly began to change, from Woody no longer being played with to how the characters were portrayed, to how the story ended. What makes me so peeved is that all the female toys treated poor Woody very badly, and they include Dolly, Bo Peep, Giggle McDimples and Gabby Gabby. First off, Dolly was rude, condescending and overbearing to him. She even calls him out for being "a little dramatic" when he introduced Forky to the toys. Then there's Bo, who was very much the same way Dolly was, but she was also emotionless, bossy and disrespectful. She used to support Woody and his loyalty to his kid, but now she sees it as some kind of joke. Here's the list of condescensions she said to him and when talking to other toys about him:
1. What did I say? I lead you follow.
2. You really want to help? Then stay out of my way.
3. Just stand there and be quiet.
4. I'll do the talking.
5. My friend? No, no, no he's my accessory.
6 some toy I thought it would be a good idea to wander into the aisles. (Duke Caboom: That doesn't make any sense.) It doesn't, does it? (Duke Caboom: Everybody knows the best route is behind the shelves.) That would have been a better route wouldn't it? (Duke Caboom wow this toy sounds like a complete idiot.) He does.
7. Open your eyes, Woody. There's plenty of kids out there. It can't be just about the one you're still clinging to.
As Buzz Lightyear would say, "You're mocking him, aren't you?" And as Jessie would say, "Sounds like she really loves you.) All Bo does is just treat Woody like a moldy doormat throughout the majority of the movie, and the sad thing is that she enjoys every second doing it. And lastly there's Gabby Gabby, who was very manipulative and creepy. All she wanted was just one thing: Woody's voicebox, because her's is broken and that she wants it fixed just so she can be loved by a child. She tries multiple times to get Woody's voicebox, first by her manipulative words in a creepy tone, next by force and by her manipulative words again, only this time, telling him about his times with Andy and Bonnie and asks him if it was "As wonderful as it sounds", to which he says that it was, and then says that she wants a chance for one of those moments and that she'd give anything to be loved the way he had been. That's when Woody decided to give her his voicebox in exchange for Forky. As soon as Gabby got what she wanted, I felt my heart shatter to pieces.
The goal of the princess is to end up with the prince. Romantic love is what matters.
This is what Woody's goal in TS4 feels akin to.
I refuse to watch it. It ends at 3's perfect ending.
Pixar's worst film. Easily. Ruins everything that came before it
Great movie? no! Pixar's worst? Far from it.
@@blairexodus8005 genuinely dude. Really look at what it ruins. Cars 2 is bad, sure but it's a sequel to cars. There's not much to ruin. Good Dinosaur and Luca are generic but they at least operate to extent. TS4 doesn't make any sense and contradicts itself whilst also ruining every character from the first 3, as well as the new ones being complete assholes.
@@jordannewitt I wouldn't say its really bad, but it does feel like a different story.
Even the directors of 3 said it was the last. Disney had a different idea. 4 was unnecessary.
Oh and it gets worse there making a 5
I didn’t enjoy Toy Story 4. It was full of plot contrivances and I didn’t like Gabby Gabby and her manipulative nature. The fact that she got a redemption arc/happy ending. The way thdu ruined the characters etc. when I first saw it I was initially touched; but upon reflection I realized I didn’t really like it. We didn’t need this movie; no matter how beautifully animated it is.
Toy story makes me sad to throw away/donate my old toys
Pokemon makes me scared if I do 😅
I completely feel the same. TS4 was just...off
The Toy Story movies made me feel the same way about my own toys too. I know that toys are inanimate objects in real life, but if I throw them away, or get rid of them, it'd hurt their feelings, and that's something I don't want for them.
Toy Story 4 is the Security Breach of the Toy Story franchise, there is *no* argument- 😭💀
Ok i disagree think security breach even flowed i still liked it
I have yet to see Toy Story 4, and after seeing the reviews of that other guy who made five videos about it and how it just didn't get the franchise, I am reluctant to watch it. I do have to say one thing, though. I liked that guy's idea that Bo Peep could have actually been the true antagonist of the movie, whereas Gabby Gabby would have been the villain. Yes, there is a difference between a villain and an antagonist. While these roles are usually one in the same, they aren't necessarily required to be so. As we know from our English classes as kids, the antagonist serves as the personified main obstacle that the protagonist has to overcome before achieving their desired outcome, whereas as the villain or bad guy is one who does evil things, An example would be in Les Miserables. Javert is the main antagonist, but M. Thenardier is the main villain. Bo Peep could have been that antagonistic force, standing i the way of his morals and goals. On a deeper level, it could have showed kids that the people we once knew and loved in our younger days can and do often change, and not always for the better. I'd have loved so see Woody sadly say to her, "You'll always hold a special place in my heart, Bo, but... you truly are a lost toy. Lost in more ways I'd care to admit. You do what you think is right, but my child needs me, and I intend to be there for her until she doesn't need me anymore, but more importantly, my friends need me, and I'll never abbandon them. Goodbye and good luck..." And with one last longing gaze, they'd walk in opposite directions, leaving us with an open ending.
dont see it. i tried being a little open minded when i did but not that much. there were these stupid kids who talked thru the whole thing too. the last shot of 3 was the clouds in the sky on andys wallpaper & thats how the first one all started. it was the perfect finale. the shorts & tv specials after that were awesome but a fourth movie was such a stupid idea & ruined everything. that lightyear movie looks stupid af too. tim wont even be in it & nobody can play buzz like tim. his movie the adventure begins & the show was a kick-ass spinoff already. i was almost six when it came out & had it on vhs. i moved in october 2017 & my vcr still worked but my mom made me get rid of it anyway :( i bought it on dvd from amazon last year & just watched it again the other night
Watch and judge for yourself. The film does an adequate job of showing you how Woody feels in a post-Andy world. He has never been without him, so saying he is out of character under such a new circumstance is misguided at best. He is lost and needs a new direction. That is what the film explores.
Toystory 4 is what I refer to as false canon. It doesn't click.
Before I watch the vid. I hope you talk about how Bonnie loved having woody. She even checked the box after Andy gave her the last toy. "MY cowboy" Andy trusted her with everyone ESPECIALLY WOODY. Just so she can ignore him in Toy Story 4 ? Having himself to leave her and give up his voice box ? It's just STUPID shit pissed me off.
You're insane if you think Toy Story 4 has any positive aspects. So what if it looks nice? Every pixar movie has to look good for its time. This movie is cancer that kills the franchise.
I love the first 3 Toy Story movies then a fourth like you said the ending was find in the third movie also WHEN WAs BOW A BAD ASS woody misses Andy sure forky felt like a plot device and Now I'm not satisfied with the ending I hope they make another movie to cap off the series because the ending in 4 sucked
Thanks for reading
Yeah, I get what you mean. I honestly thought that they would never make 4 but it happened. I was like “don’t tell me that’s the end” I was very confused
I love the toy story franchise but i hate TS4 with A PASSION
Exactly my thoughts.
Toy story 3 was the best toy story, in my opinion. The animation massively improved from the first 2 toy stories. Lotso is a great villain who is a force to be feared. The ending was the perfect send-off for this lovely franchise
Toy Story 4 is objectively not a good movie. Just because it looks nice doesn't make it a decent movie.
Unless you are animat who gave the movie a 10/10
I feel the same way! i thought i was alone in feeling guilty for getting rid of toys as a kid and even an adult! Thank you so much!! 🥰
I think it would have been more interesting if they had made a Toy Story series instead. The franchise made several shorts after the third installment which I thought were pretty interesting and they have a lot of material to work with. This series could have taken place between the first and second film where we see not only see real time progression of Buzz and Woody's relationship but also how all the toys began to bond with Buster, between the second and third film where Jessie and Bullseye begin to adjust to their new life as Andy's toys or after the events of the third film where the Andy's toys become more acquainted with Bonnie's. It would have been interesting to watch the Toy Story gang develop as individuals, not just Buzz and Woody and it wouldn't be the first time a Pixar character got their own series, sort of. "Buzz Lightyear of Star Command" featured the titular character himself.
A TV series centered around Andy's toys right after the events of Toy Story 2, just like they did with Buzz in Buzz Lightyear Of Star Command sounds like a good idea. It'd go on for 2 or 3 seasons, starting in 2000 and ending in 2003.
Cast: Jim Hanks as Woody
Patrick Warburton as Buzz Lightyear
Grey DeLeslie as Jessie
Wallace Shawn as Rex
Blake Clarke as Slinky Dog
Andrew Stanton as Hamm
Don Rickles as Mr. Potato Head
Estelle Harris as Mrs. Potato Head
Jeff Pidegon as the aliens
Kaith Soucie as Bo Peep
Jodi Benson as Barbie
Shawn Flemming as Andy Davis
Laurie Metcalf as Mrs. Davis
When this film was released I tried to give it a chance. However, I felt it as the weakest of the franchise. I hated Bonnie completely not caring about Woody anymore. I also felt it as an unnecessary sequel. But that's my personal opinion.
a fourth movie was such a stupid & horrible idea & so is that lightyear shit. buzz said in 3 whatever happened they were all gonna be 2gether then woody said 4 infinity & beyond & thats the way it shouldve been. i mean 4 gods sake he was almost burned alive with them. its last shot was the clouds on andys wallpaper & thats how the first one all started. it was the perfect finale. the shorts & tv specials after that were awesome but not a fourth one. buzzs movie the adventure begins & the show was a kick-ass spinoff already. i was almost six when it came out & had it on vhs. i moved in october 2017 & my vcr still worked but my mom made me get rid of it anyway :( i bought it on dvd from amazon last year & just watched it again the other night. tim wont even be in that lightyear shit & nobody can play buzz like tim
Hopefully toy story 5 will fix what toy story 4 broke
My biggest problem with Toy Story 4 is the suicide jokes. Like "Haha look the fork wants to die!" Is not funny to me, it's just insulting
The ending pretty much told me everything woody was saying about loyalty was all talk.
Totally agree.... they ruined woody and I feel destroyed Buzz. He's had those buttons throughout all the movies but...all of a sudden they're his conscience now? Stupid -__-
Toy Story 3 was seriously the perfect ending. I just pretend 4 doesn't exist lol
Will Woody regret his decision to leave with Bo Peep? Considering she belittles him, talks down to him, refers to him as NOT a friend but an "accessory," I think it's fair to say that Woody just ran off with a BPD case ala Amber Heard.
Yes. Yes, there will be regrets. Many.
No, it didn't. If anyone's to blame here, it's Buzz. Woody was about to back with the others, until Buzz told him that it was okay to stay behind with Bo Peep. Woody even asked if Buzz was sure it's okay, so how is Woody the one at fault here?
Buzz would never act like that.
@@HungryWarden Well, he did. Just watch the scene again.
@@meta527II I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I am saying that all of the characters in this movie are assassinated beyond recognition.
Both my sister and I are huge on toy story. We’re well above 20 now. We did a Toy story marathon but when it came to Toy Story 4 we turned it off after an hour.
The story sucks. A lot of the scenes are empty and nonsensical. Characters we adore are thrown to the side like they are nothing.. And a lot of the charm has gone. I will not believe Woody gave up his family for this bland woke version of Bo Peep.
I liked it, but here are the flaws that I agree with that need to be addressed. 1. Woody's arc in this movie completely overrides his development in the previous three films, going from a jerkish, but ultimately good-natured, leader to someone who would leave his family for his long-lost love. 2. Mediocre character development: The new side characters have little, if any, focus, coming off as filler, unlike in Toy Story 2 and 3, where they actually progressed the overarching narrative of those movies in an organic way. And 3. Gabby Gabby, while her likability is that she's sympathetic, as well as her redemption being unique to her by main Toy Story antagonist standards, otherwise feels like a rehash of Lotso, only far less evil and much nicer, making it feel toned down compared to the OG trilogy.
God I hate the fourth one.
The movie was good but the part I didn’t like was when Bo was being mean to woody and the end where woody decided to stay with Bo
If the toy story 4 team could rewrite 3 they probably would of made woody go to collage so the other toys wouldn’t have to be included in toy story 4
We should make mandatory for all kids under 10 watch the original trilogy it could save billions of toys from the horrors I sure as hell started treating my toys far better after watching them when i was younger
They messed with the unspoken rules of that movie's universe (i.e.: Buzz breaking his arm while trying to fly over stairs in the first installment, but in this installment he can fly over a highway and not break when he lands)
They shuffled around personality traits between characters (i.e.: gave Jessie's outgoing personality to Bo Peep and dumbed Buzz down).
The writers changed continuity for the sake of plot (i.e.: made Bo Peep's dress flowy instead of wired to make her more maneuverable and reverted Jessie into being afraid of clothes in spaces).
This movie felt more like a filler episode of an anime, as opposed to a true sequel. But in the end it was an okay movie
That "female rules everything" really bothered me and made the whole story ruined for me! Coming from a women....
I hate that gender push they do and just ruin the memories and emotions
Same here for me. I hated how Dolly, Bo Peep, Giggle McDimples and Gabby Gabby treated poor Woody. They beat the crud out of him by bossing him around, verbally abusing him, condescending him, gaslighting him, manipulating him and ripping him apart. And I don't understand why he would want to go with Bo in the end; she's been completely rude, ungrateful, bossy, unlikeable, and mean to him throughout the majority of the movie by talking garbage about him to other toys when he was RIGHT NEXT TO HER!!
The first one: good
The second one: RELLY good
The third one: Masterpice
The fourth one: a fun bunos
One thing I sort of was pondering on when watching the latest movies was also how the toys (so characters) seemed far diminished from before in just about all their abilities. Which I guess makes sense with them aging and how old toys can be pretty fragile due to materials degrading and cheap mass manufacturing quality issues. Still felt a bit odd looking at how the toys could interact with and manipulate the environment in the first and second movie VS how I recall them feeling in the third and fourth. It's especially odd in cases of the more seasoned toys like Buzz, who I distinctly remember coming off as really diminished from the earlier movies.