I don’t know why, but I was always under the impression that kids love was the reason they were alive, in like a magic pixie dust way so as toys stop getting played with they die naturally and so being a lost toy means that you accept your mortality and that you know you’re going to die without a child’s love.
@@marshalinehamismother Ah, which is why they seek out children at parties or other places where random extra toys won't be thought of as odd. That's their equivalent of eating. Given how long Jesse languished, though, if that is the case it takes a long time.
@@professorhaystacks6606 Also the Villain of the second film was a collectable in a box and had never been played with; so I Guess the theory falls apart there.
Mario Angel Medina maybe! And that would solve the Jesse problem. But it could also be that the prospector was keeping her alive? That way if you’re an adult and keep your toys around and you still love them they’re still alive even if you don’t play with them all the time?
Imagine Bonnie later finding out Woody is missing, being upset about it enough that the parents consider trying to get her a new one, googling Woody, and finding out their child just lost a Toy that could have payed off their mortgage. Imagine any adult in Bonnie's life finding out before this and Woody spending a good decade or two in a safety deposit box.
The way that happened to me almost the same way... Because my Woody toy was original from the 90s and was super detailed from back then, and you can only find them crazy expensive 🥴🥴🥴
Imagine being the porg behind jenny and hearing all this and having to pretend your just a toy while slowly screaming inside about how you'll never be happy
I'll be pissed if toy story 5 isn't inexplicably bearded woody and bo as mad max and furiosa wandering around a post apocalyptic wasteland where only toys have survived
Yikes. Scary. Love it. Awesome adaptation of an amazing reference. Who would Benny be? Good question. Hell, who would any of them be? I must ponder this.
there there was me, who was convinced all plushies were sentient and would yell at other kids if they were too rough with the stuffed animals because they were hurting them. i still at 23 feel kinda bad when i find one of my many stuffed animals face down on the floor.
Most religions conceive of deities as though they're emotional children. The Abrahamic deity being a terrific example. Throws massive temper tantrums over the pettiest bullsh*t. Conceives of people as all bad, deserving infinite torture, or all good, with no grey area of people who are mostly good, but sometimes do bad things, or mostly bad, but sometimes do good things.
@@danielsilvers2896 Hey! There is no universal interpretation of gd in all three abrahamic religions and the Christian gd is fundamentally different from the interpretation by the other two.
I don’t know why, but I was always under the impression that kids love was the reason they were alive, in like a magic pixie dust way so as toys stop getting played with they die naturally and so being a lost toy means that you accept your mortality and that you know you’re going to die without a child’s love.
this is the way it's been since 1. it's simultaneously amusing and emotionally exhausting to delve into. and you still come out of it with no more answers than when you began and also you're staring at the dolls & action figures in your house suspiciously, wondering if they saw all that.
@@BintonGamingwell if you wanna get into it, probably something extremely similar! their purpose just has to do with adults rather than kids, so i imagine an unused sex toy probably feels just as upset as a child’s toy stuck in a closet.
Right? Forky forces us to contemplate what makes a toy to begin with? Is it because a child once played with them? Are toys inanimate before being played with?
@@ziggystardog I think this is just a case of bad writing, not thinking through implications and the filmmakers getting lost so far up their meta-physical backsides. It's a movie. Relax.
@@tinaj3279 I was honestly annoyed at the replies and was going to call them out for being pedantic but then was like, "Oh no my sincere reply turned into a bit and now I'm the asshole" So...I'm really glad you enjoyed it lol
I think with Toy Story 2 the point was less “let’s worry about all the sad things later because we have a lot of time” and more so “let’s begin the process of acceptance by stopping the worry and be grateful for the time we have now”
I always thought of it more as a "journey vs destination" theme, like "this thing right now probably won't last (all things are transitory), but that doesn't matter. Something not being permanent doesn't make it less valuable, and when it's over, that time you spent will still have meant something."
I was raised Christian and personally, every moment I spent at church was indeed pervaded by the constant anxiety that God would replace me with a cool spaceman.
@@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick Sadly, it's very possible that you weren't told the actual Good News. Let me break it down: 1. You're not really being threatened as much as alerted. It's like saying that a Tornado Siren is "threatening" you with a tornado. The natural, unavoidable consequence of not acknowledging or believing in the literal Creator and Sustainer of all things, including you, is eternal death because sin separates us from God like oil and water and since God is Life that separation is death. Since you have an "eternal spirit" that cannot literally end, disappear, and be "no more," that suffering just goes on and on and on without end. No one is making you suffer the same way that no one forces you to be ripped apart in the tornado - it's just the natural consequence of not getting out of its way. 2. That "omnimpotent force" loves you so much that He literally took on the form of a human being, lived up to that "arbitrary standard" life you and I couldn't live up to, and then died the death you and I deserved. He is offering to give you the eternal reward he earned in exchange for your sin and wrongdoing. He drinks your poison and gives you his elixir of life! He's not looking down in judgement yelling at you to, "get your life right," but rather knocking at the door of your heart asking for entry. If you let Him inside through faith and repentance in Jesus, He will literally transform you from an object of wrath into a beloved child of God. No effort required. If you are just the least bit curious, I highly recommend starting with the Book of John. It's not very long - and it's the perfect place to begin your encounter with the God who loves you. www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+1&version=NLT
just know that if or when your god abandons you there's a whole slew of norse gods to play with, they don't know cool spacemen are a thing yet so don't tell them anything!
I usually loathe the “fantastical elements were never real” kind of theories in children’s material. But I think picturing that these really were stories that Andy and Bonnie made up about their fuzz and plastic pals really is the most satisfying answer. I like to think the ever imaginative Andy had fun making up fantastical scenarios for why his toys were lost or what they were doing while he was off at summer camp. And when he chose to finally give them away, being a teenager with a little more bite to his storytelling but still a lot of sentimentality, he imagined them off on one last hoorah. When he gave them to Bonnie, he taught her all of their personalities, so they remained intact throughout the stories she sent them on. Maybe Andy’s sister told her he used to have a Bo Peep lamp and would play her as Woody’s love interest, so Bonnie came up with a big reunion story for them... which covered up the reality she’d actually lost Woody while her family was on vacation. Maybe that’s not so satisfying to some viewers, but, anymore, it’s what I think was really going on.
that's a really sweet interpretation. im kind of blown away this is the first i heard of this type of angle. also, a cool extension to this is Andy is the sort of fictional "writer/director" of the first 3 toy stories (kind of mirroring his playtimes with them), which explains how toy story 4, which is "written & directed" by Bonnie, toys with the worldbuilding of it all and kind of sticks out among the series as having slightly different logics.
Oh my god i've never heard this theory, but i really kind of like it! At least for me it wraps up a thing that bugged me about the ending of Toy Story 2 as a kid which was 'wait, where does Andy's mom think these new toys came from? He audibly thanks her for them, so it's not like he's hiding them from her'. Under this theory, she probably *could have* just gotten them for him!
Just imagine little toys gathering around their sick kid, worried and upset. Then finding out years later about lead poisoning, and not even trying to hide while all of the toys were called back to be destroyed, accepting their death.
I think it seems in the movies that the toys want to be loved specifically by children and played with, being owned by an adult, even one who loves them, might not be satisfying to them.
as a disabled person i totally read the voice box part as an allegory for loving all of yourself, even the ""broken"" parts i found it sooo lame that fixing her "disability" is what got her love from some random kid
Yeah it would have been cool if she found a teenager who thought her broken voice box was interesting and symbolized finding the people who love you the way you are instead of wanting you to change to be good enough for them (which wasn’t even her problem to begin with since the girl didn’t like her after fixing her voice box)
@@freddiesimmons1394 True, my ppms makes dating me a drag. I don't like comparing the shallow struggles of some broken object in a kids movie to the complexities of being disabled. I get they're supposed to teach lessons but that's a little too out of range for media that's half "be nice to everyone" half "X is bad" cut into easily consumed, black and white bites.
Thank you for the much needed Mr Shark representation in the background, Jenny. The worst thing the team at Pixar have ever done is remove him from the series after his standout performance in the first film
Toy Story is legitimately one of the most bizarre franchises I've ever seen. They could have, so easily, kept their stories nice and fluffy but they keep trying to poke and prod at these deeper existential ideas and themes. So the movie keeps bringing up these super awkward and uncomfortable ideas and weirdly tries to marry them to the lighthearted tone they're going for. So you get completely horrifying ideas like Forky, a sentient being birthed by a child who has to come to grips with him being alive and it's just mindboggling to see.
It’s just plain cynical and weird. This toys have one purpose in life and that’s to be a child plaything. Regardless of the kids they still get to live their purpose out with the kids , every kid HAS to grow up and it’s sad but we have to but the toys purpose in life is to be a tool for their imagination. It’s fun and awesome 👏 It don’t even have to get cyclical cuz who was asking these questions? No one , Disney so greedy. Any trash Cash grab
I was under the impression that children making memories with a toy is what gives them sentience. Also because Bonnie and Andy wrote their names on their toys shoes lol.
@@jorgeamadosoriaramirez8953 Maybe I've just been watching too much Persona, but it definitely feels like toys have something of a collective unconscious element to them. Buzz (and Woody before him) has roughly the same personality as his fictional counterpart from popular media (which would thus have become part of the collective unconscious thanks to its popularity) prior to being given individual attention from Andy and from the other toys, which allowed him to develop an individual identity that differs from the original. Forky, on the other hand, was created purely from Bonnie's individual imagination, and is thus much less thoroughly formed than Buzz or any of the commercially manufactured toys, since he doesn't have the weight of the collective unconscious backing him up. ...actually, maybe Forky _does_ draw from the collective unconscious' perception of who he should be after all; the majority of people would see a used spork as disposable trash, so thus Forky's basic instincts are to be thrown away as trash. As he gets attention from Bonnie and from other toys, however, he develops into more of his own individual, and is able to break free from the collective unconscious' idea of him.
Imagine Buzz and Woody being split up and living years, several kids worth of lives apart only to meet randomly when their current owners visit a Pizza Planet.
I agree with everything you've said here but I'm surprised you made a 20 minute rant about the unintended implications of mortality and consciousness in the Toy Story Universe without mentioning TS4's biggest contribution to that narrative: Forky. We know that there's a possibility that toys may never die but what about the approach from the other side? When does a toy become alive? In Toy Story 1-3, we're lead to believe that a toy becomes alive when it is explicitly that: a toy. (Tortilla Potato Head in TS3 not included. If we think about the constraints of Potato Head's consciousness for more than a couple seconds it leads into too many questions. If he's still alive without his potato, where is he consciousness stored? Do toys even have a physical representation of consciousness? Is he the hive mind of a collection of parts? But I digress.) Now in Toy Story 4, it throws all that we know out the window. Forky was an already used spork found in the trash give eyes and limbs, does this mean anything personified suddenly becomes a toy? Is the paper plate I drew a face on in ketchup doomed to live its existence in misery as a consciousness trapped in the dump? Does this mean there are thousands, if not millions, of suffering objects accidentally given souls doomed to live out their existence in a trash heap never seeing the light of day again? The implications of the Toy Story Universe are horrifying.
But Forky was _happy and cozy_ in the trash. _He liked_ being in a garbage can, surrounded by other discarded refuse, and would probably _enjoy_ being buried in a dump. Your ketchup-faced plate will probably be fine.
There's a weird theory out there that the toys are basically inhabited by Supernatural parasites that feed off of the feelings of love given to them by kids and that's why they're so afraid of being abandoned. But yeah, Forky is one of those things that says "let's take everything we know about the established cannon in previous movies and toss it out the window. Also, Forky liked being in the trash and that suggests that, as a spork, he was already conscious.
@@blobbertmcblob4888 It suggests less that he was conscious as a spork, and more that the gift of consciousness is inherently a curse to him as he knew from the moment he was born he wasn't supposed to exist. It's like if you could teach an octopus about suffering and morals and how to feel parental connection; the entire genus would have a mental breakdown.
You’re right. But I really identified with that movie as a teacher. A theater teacher. I have the same kids for years until they grow up and move on. My business hinges on their attachment to me and what I teach. I love them and I’ve been trying to balance that love with knowing that they’re going to move on (and finding a healthy center for my sense of purpose). I know that’s a super specific situation to identify with these movies but hey it’s something😅
I came from a violent home. I was probably a pretty good bet to end up in the prison or the graveyard. It was a Drama Teacher who wouldn't give up on me - wouldn't accept less than my best, never stopped encouraging me. I am living a happy, successful life now, and 45 years later I am still convinced that she is why I didn't self-destruct very early. I will be grateful to her for the rest of my days. I'm glad I went back and told her so. And now I'm telling you - what you do matters. It ripples down the years. Thank you.
I moved around a lot as a child, before anyone was concretely reachable, so the idea of "at any time you can just be removed from your friends and never see them again" is sad but completely imaginable. I've forgotten so many names and faces.
That moment when a “random” person yells your name in public and in your head all you are thinking is I went to three different middle schools like I have no idea where you are from
I mean i had that same experience in a time with the iphone, but before kids really had them and yeah, hard to see my friends realizing the impermanence of relationships as they go through breakups or drift apart from childhood friends, because its hard for me to help them through something i grappled with as a child and no longer really worry about
"Toy Story 3 is a brilliant send off to the franchise for the kids that grew up, along with Andy, on the originals." *Toy Story 4:* I'm about to end this man's whole career.
mariokarter13 So the man goes off, reconnects with the woman he loves and starts a new career. Will it be messy and hard? Sure, but life is like that so make the best of it ;-)
My issue with the series is it's established in 2 that Woody is "an old family toy" he's from a line that came out in the 50s(they remember/confirm that in 4) yet he only ever mentions Andy as a previous kid and he never draws on any experience of being outgrown. Like depending on what years the timeline lands in, Woody was at least Andy's father's toy, possibly his grandfather's(I mean he could have been his mother's toy, Idk) but when they're being packed away in 3, he doesn't reassure the gang like "It's okay, this is how it works, this is what's gonna happen" he just let's them freak out, like he does try to calm them down but doesn't site anecdotal evidence to do so. Also if I was Andy's mom, I'd be pissed "you gave our family heirloom away!? I wouldn't sell it to a man for 50 bucks but you just gave it to a random child!!??" There was a bunch of tiny things that bugged the crap outta me in 4. Like the guy drives through a rainstorm to pick up a lamp??? Who does that? It could wait, it could definitely wait til the next day. The fact that Bo is still made of porcelain but her clothes are sudden cloth and it's like we're just suppose to accept that. The fact that they need a key to enter the cabinet but literally 30 seconds later we see a dummy leave the cabinet from the inside, does the lock only work one way? Are we just suppose to ignore that these events take place one after the other. They try to make us empathize with Chatty Cathy but she literally harvested Woody's organs and we're just suppose to be like "Yeah, help her find a kid. She just wants love" SHE STOLE A MAN'S ORGANS, she was plotting it from the moment she met him, couldn't we have made her a good guy prior to her mutilating the main character!? Who approved this!??
for some reason it took me a while to realise you were wearing costumes in these videos and I thought you just had like an eccentric personal style and I didn't question it at all until this moment.
One of my favorite ideas from Last Action Hero. After Arnie finds out he's an action movie protagonist, there's a bit where he gets a little upset that his creators kept putting him and his family through the ringer in multiple sequels for entertainment.
I don't know why he didn't just keep them in a box in his attic lol. He didn't have to give them away, he could just give them to his kid when he has one.
Toy story: "your parents won't replace you" Toy story 2: "your parents will always love you" Toy story 3 : "but one day you have to move on" Toy story 4: "and find your own porpose in life" Kingdom hearts 3: "or you could let some Japanese kid fix all your problems for you... That works too I guess"
Incidentally nobody's more cynical about those songs than Randy himself. He once pointed out that in You Got A Friend In Me he sounds like a used car salesman.
There’s no happy endings, not here and not now. This tale is all sorrows and woes. You may dream that justice and peace win the day, but that’s not how the story goes -A Series of Unfortunate Events
I’m not scared of that at all. I figure whatever people watching my life will realize that whatever replacement shoved down their throats is a lame Poochy, and then the writers will learn their lesson and put the focus back on me. I’m a classic, time tested character. The audience will never get tired of me!
The squeaky shark wearing Woody's hat is one of my favorite clips from the Toy Story franchise. I love that it was added to the background of this video!
I'm listening to a girl dressed like a toy talk about the themes and philosophy of mortality and reincarnation in a children's movie. ... I could do this all day.
It's almost sort of relaxing in a way. Hearing her review stuff is so calming to me, like I just can't help but keep listening. Dunno why, I just find it interesting
This ended up being a lot deeper than I was expecting. Good job Jenny, you made me contemplate my existential existence again. For several years after watching Toy Story 3 I had recurring nightmares about being a toy and getting abandoned or destroyed. The thought of spending eternity as a disembodied consciousness terrified me
Wait, why didn’t she just talk normally and fake still having a voice box? She can talk to other toys and humans can hear toys since Woody could threaten Sid back in the first movie, at least unless I’ve missed something.
Sid's toys was my introduction to body horror and it stuck with me. Even if you remind yourself that toys aren't really alive, it still raises questions of identity and the ship of Theseus problem.
The best ethos of the movies that I've read/seen... somewhere... was just that the themes of the series aged with the audience. For any given movie, if you imagine the audience is Andy's age, it makes sense as a work that resonates with themes of people that age. The first movie is about new friends and the anxieties of children, the second movie is still about the anxieties of children, but more pre-teens than young children, the third movie is about change, growing up, and the anxieties that come with being an adult. I never saw Toy Story 4, but the existential angst described in this video sounds like the existential angst of people in their late 20s, who would have been Andy's age at the beginning of the series (me being in that age group). From this view, the movies neither have nor need a consistent theme from movie to movie; themes of our anxieties and relationships change as we age.
I always saw friendship as being the key theme of the films (mostly because of the theme song albeit). 1) Your best friend may get a new friend but that doesn't make you less their friend and you may, in fact, come to love the new friend just as much if not more than your old friend 2) Sometimes you or your friends have to be apart for a while but that's an opportunity to meet new people and gain new life experiences 3) You can grow apart from your friends and that's okay, the time you spent with them and memories you made still have meaning because they helped form who you are as a person 4) Even when you feel alone or many of your friends are gone, it's never too late to make new friends (again) or reconnect with those you've lost touch with. That being said, I agree with you on the treatment of Gabby Gabby. It didn't surprise me when they brought in a new little girl, but I was really hoping there was going to be some sort full circle where an older woman finds Gabby in the antique shop and brings her home. She might have had a Gabby doll when she was younger and was glad to see the doll again, it brought back fond memories. Or maybe she's a collector and not evil like Al. She just genuinely loves dolls and when she's off playing bingo all the dolls have adorable tea parties with their tiny china tea sets and brush each other's hair and swap lacey hats. It's not a moral theme or anything, just a sort of sign that in this universe of sentient toys, there will always be people who continue to love them.
ghaskjdfsdf I was just watching your intense interview with that gamer therapist guy right before this and I was not ready to see you just comment on a random Jenny Nicholson video this is so surreal
“Who fights for God’s attention?” Cain literally killed Abel because God thanked Abel for his sacrifice and not Cain, since Cain’s sacrifice was selfish and all he wanted was attention. So...
Yeah, that part and the "I think all this is based off this one line" made me stop watching for a minute. A one two combo of poorly thought out and wilfully ignorant.
"If the toys had actually been incinerated, would they have died, or would they have just been forced to lie for eternity as a conscious pile of ash?" SCP-2718 containment breach confirmed.
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I realize I’m 2 months late with this hot take but... I always though Toy Story was about change, purpose, and growing up. TS1 is about how things change and that can be scary but can also bring more family and friends and is often a blessing even if you worry about being left behind or overshadowed. TS2 is about choosing a path/purpose. You can do something/live a life that is safe and bland and stable or you can make the healthier more mature option to chose something that has risk and is finite but brings you joy and love and community. TS3 is about endings. People who grew up on Toy Story loved it because it’s about how childhood ending (where that audience was in their lives) is scary because anything could happen and not all of it will be good. Circumstances change but even though that’s hard, on the other side there is joy and purpose and it’s totally different but still has a lot of similarities to the life you loved before. TS4 is about realizing you are free to build any life you want and how that freedom is overwhelming and terrifying but ultimately what is needed to find purpose and meaning in your evolving life. It’s also about letting go of things you loved that no longer fit into what you want. A lot of people have things in their lives they hold onto because they used to love it but it doesn’t bring them that anymore. Woody leaving Bonnie and his friends is an example that you can change your purpose or how you identify yourself and it’s not a betrayal or giving up. It’s just a part of growing up. Life is dynamic and nothing lasts forever but that doesn’t have to be bad. Sorry for the novel...
Not to mention the original TV show Woody. You know, the marrionette one that the regular toy Woody is based off of? If a fork with some googly eyes glued on can become sentient, marrionettes surely count under the same umbrella as "toy." So where is OG Woody, Jesse, Bullseye and Stinky Pete?
Woody’s first owner was Andy’s dad. This is cannon, one of the creators of toy story talks about it in an interview, it just never made it into the story.
@@fortunatecookie the creator that talked about that told his friend. That creator died in a car crash. It's not cannon as Pete Doctor said in a tweet it's absolutely not true. Each creator had their own "origin" story I think, but none of it is cannon.
KaijuTurtle i think you’d be a little disappointed tbh. i’d expect just a 20-second video with only the words “This movie was boring.” immediately followed by the list of patreon supporters
"And who.. fights for God's attention? Who feels anxiety that God will replace them with a cool space man?" I feel like this was the plot of Prometheus..
Thank you for saying the pixar theory is nonsense. I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds it dumb. You can bend and twist anything to fit your narrative.
@@RemixedVoice I think they hide little Easter eggs from other Pixar films in newer ones, similar to A113. But I don't think that means the Creators are alluding to a deeper theory of the movies all taking place in the same universe.
I feel like you can take much of Jenny's read but view Gabby-Gabby's ending as less aberrant/revisionist and account in Woody's relationship to Forky and you get something fairly coherent about the trade offs between altruism and seeking happiness through a more parochial lens through stages of life. As well as how directly one needs to help to help effectively I think in there essential "toyness," it's fair to assume the desire, reflected in woody's speeches about nobility, to help a child is a moral good and valid purpose for a toy. I think you can see Gabby-Gabby's "failure" through much of the film mostly as fixation on a particular child (Harmony) vs understanding that there are _other_ children she can help. Her vanity re: voice box isn't really what gets her there (though it is played as more than irrelevant), rather it is about helping a child in need (lost) vs helping a child who, per her mother, "already has enough toys" Whereas Bo-Peep in backstory did the good work of getting Molly through her fear of the dark, and then was fulfilled enough to go off on her own, live for herself Woody has to come to that realization throughout the film, and he arrives at it partially through helping Forky accept his present role in Bonnie's life, partially through his commitment to helping him reunite with her, partially in more or less willingly helping Gabby-Gabby, and then staring in the face the opportunity to stay with Bonnie and (with a push) _choosing_ to stay with Bo-Peep And then in the mid-credits Bo and Woody are spending their time helping unite other toys (the prizes) with new children. Helping many kids indirectly rather than few directly Idk. Jenny put more effort into this than I obviously - but I think there's something down this path.
@@lostjohnny197 she's said before that she wont review anything that she doesnt feel like reviewing. Might as well give up on trying to push movies on her and just enjoy the ride.
i thought about that "when do toys actually even die" part when i was a child after seeing toy story one. it weirded me out and i came to the conclusion that everything in that universe has a consciousness but only toys can talk. it made me really sad and then everytime i opened my silverware drawer i always felt sad for the forks that didnt get used.
OH MY GOD IT'S PUT INTO WORDS, my whole life whenever there was an instance where there was something in a group that was a little different, i always picked it because i seemed to feel.. sorry for it? like a plant that's been a bit neglected at the garden store or the smooshed cupcake in a box of a colleague's birthday cupcakes they brought to share. I don't even know how to feel about this
Oh my goodness. Once I drew a face on a piece of pineapple with ketchup, and then couldn't bring myself to eat it. I tried to tell myself that all food "wants to be eaten", but my little kid brain knew I would be ending a life if I ate it. The face was smiling. I couldn't take it. I put it in the dark and dust between my father's desk and the wall.
The lesson I took from Toy Story 2 was "don't let the fear of impermanence or loss keep you from investing deeply during the time you have." Which is something I've really needed to hear at certain points in my life. (But yeah, "don't be a vampire" works too 😄)
I very much viewed the main theme of this movie as “sometimes your friends leave, even if you said you’d never leave each other, and that’s okay too. You’ll make new friends and still have the fun memories of the old” That’s the meaning that made me sad.
As someone who’s watched most of Jenny’s videos multiple times during quarantine, this is one video I will not touch because the existential dread is 2 strong 4 me
For what it’s worth, the impermanence of everything - even friendship - feels like a central theme in all Toy Story movies. So 4 could simply be read as “how to find peace even with the impermanence of your most fundamental relationships.” And perhaps not everyone is capable of finding peace with that (gabby gabby - though I agree on your critiques of the voicebox-fixing). On the second criticism, I could imagine toys finding peace without running out to travel the world. Some major world religions center on finding peace in spite of everything being impermanent. Maybe elderly toys in the attic all just turn into Buddhists. Lol.
Everyday I fear more that god will forsake me in favour of a cool Space Man
It was David Bowie :/
When it does, you can just go find a better, younger god
When Ra dies and becomes Osiris, he must be replaced by Horus.
*You can make a religion out of this.*
Janelle Northcut no, don’t
Woody: "There's a snake in my boot!"
Jenny: "So basically happiness is perpetually fleeting and we're destined to die miserable and alone."
I don’t know why, but I was always under the impression that kids love was the reason they were alive, in like a magic pixie dust way so as toys stop getting played with they die naturally and so being a lost toy means that you accept your mortality and that you know you’re going to die without a child’s love.
Indeed, there is a snake in all our boots, Woody. And its name is Death.
@@marshalinehamismother Ah, which is why they seek out children at parties or other places where random extra toys won't be thought of as odd. That's their equivalent of eating.
Given how long Jesse languished, though, if that is the case it takes a long time.
@@professorhaystacks6606 Also the Villain of the second film was a collectable in a box and had never been played with; so I Guess the theory falls apart there.
Mario Angel Medina maybe! And that would solve the Jesse problem. But it could also be that the prospector was keeping her alive? That way if you’re an adult and keep your toys around and you still love them they’re still alive even if you don’t play with them all the time?
Imagine Bonnie later finding out Woody is missing, being upset about it enough that the parents consider trying to get her a new one, googling Woody, and finding out their child just lost a Toy that could have payed off their mortgage. Imagine any adult in Bonnie's life finding out before this and Woody spending a good decade or two in a safety deposit box.
Yeah XD “oops that was literally one of a kind”
The way that happened to me almost the same way... Because my Woody toy was original from the 90s and was super detailed from back then, and you can only find them crazy expensive 🥴🥴🥴
Thank god Bonnie doesn't care
@@robin2666 I had one of those! But I was a kid and actually played with my toys, eventually wearing them out.
Sucks to be you, Bonnie! You could have had a college tuition and Al would have probably made you honorary Queen of the Toy Barn.
Imagine being the porg behind jenny and hearing all this and having to pretend your just a toy while slowly screaming inside about how you'll never be happy
We can't see the Porg's tears, but they're there.
I’m sure Jenny gives that porg the love he deserves
I'm sure she sleeps with him every night! While he's silently screaming...
this made me snort
😂😂😂
I'll be pissed if toy story 5 isn't inexplicably bearded woody and bo as mad max and furiosa wandering around a post apocalyptic wasteland where only toys have survived
Every so often WALL-E rolls past but nobody ever brings it up.
Woody's beard is just drawn on with a sharpie or something like that.
Halfway through it's revealed to be in the same universe as 9...
@@greenhowie God it is fucking weird encountering others in the wild who know what Nine is
I’d watch that.
The toys behind her listening to this are having an existential crisis
Especially the 4 foot tall plush porg
Even the horse?
I'd like to believe
Those aren’t toys.
They’re family.
@@flowerheit4512 I feel like the Porg is in a perpetual state of existential crisis.
@@SorowFame porg is also hella high
I have no pull string and I must scream
Solid reference. Have a like
@@BrutalKnight55 Thanks
Oh no, which toy is benny? Probably not something anyone should think about
lit reference
Yikes. Scary. Love it. Awesome adaptation of an amazing reference. Who would Benny be? Good question. Hell, who would any of them be? I must ponder this.
the shark with the woody hat in the background distracted me so much because all i could think about was “IM WOODY! HOWDY HOWDY HOWDY!”
"Ha ha ha..!"
Linda Calderon Wait... What? There’s a shark with a Woody hat?? I never knew my life was incomplete until now...
SAME!!
I'm down for an Incredible Mr. Limpet type story where Woody falls in the water at Coney Island and turns into a shark with a cowboy hat.
@@garypierce7380 That would be our happy ending! They can all reincarnate as sea creatures! But... Oh no. The oceans are dying. :O
As a day camp worker, I can confirm that so many toys must accept their mortality within the first week of entrance. Kids don’t play gently.
True. I have a younger brother and he once broke the leg of his toy cow within seconds of opening the package and holding it.
taako! from tv!
Thats basically what happens in toy story 3 with the little kids
there there was me, who was convinced all plushies were sentient and would yell at other kids if they were too rough with the stuffed animals because they were hurting them. i still at 23 feel kinda bad when i find one of my many stuffed animals face down on the floor.
A Toy Death camp?
you say there is no merit in the children being god figures but uh FORKY WAS THRUST INTO THIS CRUEL WORLD BY BONNIE'S SHEER WILL.
Most religions conceive of deities as though they're emotional children. The Abrahamic deity being a terrific example. Throws massive temper tantrums over the pettiest bullsh*t. Conceives of people as all bad, deserving infinite torture, or all good, with no grey area of people who are mostly good, but sometimes do bad things, or mostly bad, but sometimes do good things.
@@danielsilvers2896 Hey! There is no universal interpretation of gd in all three abrahamic religions and the Christian gd is fundamentally different from the interpretation by the other two.
Have you read “Frankenstein, or the Modern Prometheus”? It’s all I could think of at the end when Forky’s creator made him a female counterpart. 🤭
Knave They are known as the Abrahamic religions for a reason.
@@danielsilvers2896 Don't say "Abrahamic" when you mean "Christian", this is not how Jews view God, our relationship with God or the afterlife at all.
I came for thoughts on Toy Story 4 and all I got is existential dread
We are too blind to see the truth
Existence is pain
I don’t know why, but I was always under the impression that kids love was the reason they were alive, in like a magic pixie dust way so as toys stop getting played with they die naturally and so being a lost toy means that you accept your mortality and that you know you’re going to die without a child’s love.
Same
That’s actually what I got out of the movie. Existential dread.
The Toy Story universe really does devolve into psychological horror if you think about the implications of everything for more than five seconds.
this is the way it's been since 1. it's simultaneously amusing and emotionally exhausting to delve into. and you still come out of it with no more answers than when you began and also you're staring at the dolls & action figures in your house suspiciously, wondering if they saw all that.
Pixar: come for the cute characters, stay for the existential screaming.
right? imagine what sex toys are going through
@@BintonGamingwell if you wanna get into it, probably something extremely similar! their purpose just has to do with adults rather than kids, so i imagine an unused sex toy probably feels just as upset as a child’s toy stuck in a closet.
@eggiboiroi have any of you guys seen The Brave Little Toaster
Surprised there was no mention of Forky, the most unnatural creation of the Toy Story universe.
Oh shit. Oh god.
Right? Forky forces us to contemplate what makes a toy to begin with? Is it because a child once played with them? Are toys inanimate before being played with?
Forky is merely *a story catalyst.* He gets the plot going, but he's not really involved.
@@ziggystardog I think this is just a case of bad writing, not thinking through implications and the filmmakers getting lost so far up their meta-physical backsides.
It's a movie. Relax.
Forky is the Cartesian Demon; Forky is us and we are the Cartesian Demon... cogito ergo spork.
I can tell this was a great review cause after it I feel uncomfortable and sad after it.
after it after it
after it
You made such a good point and after it two people felt the need to dunk on you after it.
@@auspistic you know what, you get kudos for being clever with it lmaoooo imma hit ya with a like 💖
@@tinaj3279 I was honestly annoyed at the replies and was going to call them out for being pedantic but then was like, "Oh no my sincere reply turned into a bit and now I'm the asshole"
So...I'm really glad you enjoyed it lol
I think with Toy Story 2 the point was less “let’s worry about all the sad things later because we have a lot of time” and more so “let’s begin the process of acceptance by stopping the worry and be grateful for the time we have now”
I always thought of it more as a "journey vs destination" theme, like "this thing right now probably won't last (all things are transitory), but that doesn't matter. Something not being permanent doesn't make it less valuable, and when it's over, that time you spent will still have meant something."
I was raised Christian and personally, every moment I spent at church was indeed pervaded by the constant anxiety that God would replace me with a cool spaceman.
Exactly why would he play with boring humans instead of some cooler aliens he made
Ruthlessnoodle r/woooosh
@@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick
Sadly, it's very possible that you weren't told the actual Good News. Let me break it down:
1. You're not really being threatened as much as alerted. It's like saying that a Tornado Siren is "threatening" you with a tornado. The natural, unavoidable consequence of not acknowledging or believing in the literal Creator and Sustainer of all things, including you, is eternal death because sin separates us from God like oil and water and since God is Life that separation is death. Since you have an "eternal spirit" that cannot literally end, disappear, and be "no more," that suffering just goes on and on and on without end. No one is making you suffer the same way that no one forces you to be ripped apart in the tornado - it's just the natural consequence of not getting out of its way.
2. That "omnimpotent force" loves you so much that He literally took on the form of a human being, lived up to that "arbitrary standard" life you and I couldn't live up to, and then died the death you and I deserved. He is offering to give you the eternal reward he earned in exchange for your sin and wrongdoing. He drinks your poison and gives you his elixir of life! He's not looking down in judgement yelling at you to, "get your life right," but rather knocking at the door of your heart asking for entry. If you let Him inside through faith and repentance in Jesus, He will literally transform you from an object of wrath into a beloved child of God. No effort required.
If you are just the least bit curious, I highly recommend starting with the Book of John. It's not very long - and it's the perfect place to begin your encounter with the God who loves you.
www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+1&version=NLT
just know that if or when your god abandons you there's a whole slew of norse gods to play with, they don't know cool spacemen are a thing yet so don't tell them anything!
Religion doesn't do anything aside from start wars and make people scared that they're going to go to hell..
jenny it's 1:37 a.m. I was about to go to bed why would you do this to me personally
What up pacific standard time
@@BohemianScandalous hell yeah
I mean I caught this at 3:30 am so like if feel you
Me exactly
This is too late even by Alaskan time.
I usually loathe the “fantastical elements were never real” kind of theories in children’s material. But I think picturing that these really were stories that Andy and Bonnie made up about their fuzz and plastic pals really is the most satisfying answer.
I like to think the ever imaginative Andy had fun making up fantastical scenarios for why his toys were lost or what they were doing while he was off at summer camp. And when he chose to finally give them away, being a teenager with a little more bite to his storytelling but still a lot of sentimentality, he imagined them off on one last hoorah.
When he gave them to Bonnie, he taught her all of their personalities, so they remained intact throughout the stories she sent them on. Maybe Andy’s sister told her he used to have a Bo Peep lamp and would play her as Woody’s love interest, so Bonnie came up with a big reunion story for them... which covered up the reality she’d actually lost Woody while her family was on vacation.
Maybe that’s not so satisfying to some viewers, but, anymore, it’s what I think was really going on.
Wait this is so sweet lol
i like this
Aw, I really like this.
that's a really sweet interpretation. im kind of blown away this is the first i heard of this type of angle. also, a cool extension to this is Andy is the sort of fictional "writer/director" of the first 3 toy stories (kind of mirroring his playtimes with them), which explains how toy story 4, which is "written & directed" by Bonnie, toys with the worldbuilding of it all and kind of sticks out among the series as having slightly different logics.
Oh my god i've never heard this theory, but i really kind of like it! At least for me it wraps up a thing that bugged me about the ending of Toy Story 2 as a kid which was 'wait, where does Andy's mom think these new toys came from? He audibly thanks her for them, so it's not like he's hiding them from her'. Under this theory, she probably *could have* just gotten them for him!
RIP all those old toys that were made out of lead and basically killed their kid overtime
That's terrible! Why am I laughing??
fionatastic0.0 Being loved by your God parent son brings death to you and your new god every time you reincarnate
That’d make an excellent knockoff R-rated toy story movie.
lewrick L Thanks, I could definitely see Robot Chicken doing that 😄
Just imagine little toys gathering around their sick kid, worried and upset.
Then finding out years later about lead poisoning, and not even trying to hide while all of the toys were called back to be destroyed, accepting their death.
But how did your shark acquire a miniature cowboy hat
Because it's Sheriff Woody, howdy howdy howdy
@@schizobaeley_fbi WOODY JAWS? WEIRD COSPLAY.
@@schizobaeley_fbi underrated comment
@@Odelatog *bow*
My thoughts exactly
"Eventually, all toys would be outgrown and want to become Lost Toys" said the grown woman in a room full of toys.
I don't see any Ragetty Ann and Andy toys, or Mutt and Jeff toys.
@@Legendary_Detective-Wobbuffet Trust me, there are grown people with big collections of them.
I think it seems in the movies that the toys want to be loved specifically by children and played with, being owned by an adult, even one who loves them, might not be satisfying to them.
@@Calpsotoma that was the whole point of TS 2
Humans die, toys don't
"Oh it's that pin! That pin I put in mortality!" Spoken like a true Disney villain
Are you referencing the 2008 Disney classic Bolt.
One of the many laughs we were graced with from Jenny.
"A tip of the hat, from Dr. Facilier..."
I see that shark in a cowboy hat...and i love him
"Look I'm Woody. Howdy, howdy, howdy"
Oh that’s what it is? The kept wondering why there were pancakes on that shark’s head.
as a disabled person i totally read the voice box part as an allegory for loving all of yourself, even the ""broken"" parts
i found it sooo lame that fixing her "disability" is what got her love from some random kid
Same!
YES! Sooooo glad to see others felt that way, too!
Yeah it would have been cool if she found a teenager who thought her broken voice box was interesting and symbolized finding the people who love you the way you are instead of wanting you to change to be good enough for them (which wasn’t even her problem to begin with since the girl didn’t like her after fixing her voice box)
I mean... it's not like life doesn't sometimes work this way
@@freddiesimmons1394 True, my ppms makes dating me a drag. I don't like comparing the shallow struggles of some broken object in a kids movie to the complexities of being disabled. I get they're supposed to teach lessons but that's a little too out of range for media that's half "be nice to everyone" half "X is bad" cut into easily consumed, black and white bites.
Thank you for the much needed Mr Shark representation in the background, Jenny. The worst thing the team at Pixar have ever done is remove him from the series after his standout performance in the first film
Joe Brennan from TARDISposting?
The very same
@@joebrennan230 NEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRD!
HOWDY HOWDY HOWDY
Second film
That forgotten pin shtick was the real star of this video.
Ricksflicks I agree
was legit looking for this comment
legit thought that she got a splinter or something lol
Toy Story is legitimately one of the most bizarre franchises I've ever seen. They could have, so easily, kept their stories nice and fluffy but they keep trying to poke and prod at these deeper existential ideas and themes.
So the movie keeps bringing up these super awkward and uncomfortable ideas and weirdly tries to marry them to the lighthearted tone they're going for. So you get completely horrifying ideas like Forky, a sentient being birthed by a child who has to come to grips with him being alive and it's just mindboggling to see.
It’s just plain cynical and weird. This toys have one purpose in life and that’s to be a child plaything. Regardless of the kids they still get to live their purpose out with the kids , every kid HAS to grow up and it’s sad but we have to but the toys purpose in life is to be a tool for their imagination. It’s fun and awesome 👏 It don’t even have to get cyclical cuz who was asking these questions? No one , Disney so greedy.
Any trash Cash grab
And Bonnie gave the new toy a cruel name. A name that means "Half-Fork". Forky.
What do you mean?
Thank you for the hunchback reference.
@@atrapdr6251 That's sad
@@wo3701 oops
As soon who lets the Pandora video lullaby me to sleep 3 nights a week, I salute you.
jenny HOW could you not talk about the existential nightmare of forky saying “how am i alive”
rowan that was knifey you fool!
He literally wants to die the whole movie.
I was under the impression that children making memories with a toy is what gives them sentience. Also because Bonnie and Andy wrote their names on their toys shoes lol.
@@RemixedVoice if that were the case Buzz wouldn't be alive from the second he got into Andy's bed. Yet he was, even before knowing what an Andy was.
@@jorgeamadosoriaramirez8953 Maybe I've just been watching too much Persona, but it definitely feels like toys have something of a collective unconscious element to them. Buzz (and Woody before him) has roughly the same personality as his fictional counterpart from popular media (which would thus have become part of the collective unconscious thanks to its popularity) prior to being given individual attention from Andy and from the other toys, which allowed him to develop an individual identity that differs from the original. Forky, on the other hand, was created purely from Bonnie's individual imagination, and is thus much less thoroughly formed than Buzz or any of the commercially manufactured toys, since he doesn't have the weight of the collective unconscious backing him up.
...actually, maybe Forky _does_ draw from the collective unconscious' perception of who he should be after all; the majority of people would see a used spork as disposable trash, so thus Forky's basic instincts are to be thrown away as trash. As he gets attention from Bonnie and from other toys, however, he develops into more of his own individual, and is able to break free from the collective unconscious' idea of him.
Imagine Buzz and Woody being split up and living years, several kids worth of lives apart only to meet randomly when their current owners visit a Pizza Planet.
I think you just pitched 5
It is strange that they never bumped into another Buzz, other than the upgraded one.
I agree with everything you've said here but I'm surprised you made a 20 minute rant about the unintended implications of mortality and consciousness in the Toy Story Universe without mentioning TS4's biggest contribution to that narrative: Forky.
We know that there's a possibility that toys may never die but what about the approach from the other side? When does a toy become alive? In Toy Story 1-3, we're lead to believe that a toy becomes alive when it is explicitly that: a toy.
(Tortilla Potato Head in TS3 not included. If we think about the constraints of Potato Head's consciousness for more than a couple seconds it leads into too many questions. If he's still alive without his potato, where is he consciousness stored? Do toys even have a physical representation of consciousness? Is he the hive mind of a collection of parts? But I digress.)
Now in Toy Story 4, it throws all that we know out the window. Forky was an already used spork found in the trash give eyes and limbs, does this mean anything personified suddenly becomes a toy? Is the paper plate I drew a face on in ketchup doomed to live its existence in misery as a consciousness trapped in the dump? Does this mean there are thousands, if not millions, of suffering objects accidentally given souls doomed to live out their existence in a trash heap never seeing the light of day again? The implications of the Toy Story Universe are horrifying.
But Forky was _happy and cozy_ in the trash. _He liked_ being in a garbage can, surrounded by other discarded refuse, and would probably _enjoy_ being buried in a dump. Your ketchup-faced plate will probably be fine.
This was definitely happening in the Toy Story universe anyway.
Think about how many "actual" toys we put in landfills every year.
There's a weird theory out there that the toys are basically inhabited by Supernatural parasites that feed off of the feelings of love given to them by kids and that's why they're so afraid of being abandoned.
But yeah, Forky is one of those things that says "let's take everything we know about the established cannon in previous movies and toss it out the window.
Also, Forky liked being in the trash and that suggests that, as a spork, he was already conscious.
@@blobbertmcblob4888 It suggests less that he was conscious as a spork, and more that the gift of consciousness is inherently a curse to him as he knew from the moment he was born he wasn't supposed to exist. It's like if you could teach an octopus about suffering and morals and how to feel parental connection; the entire genus would have a mental breakdown.
Carol Sanz does that mean every fidget toy in the toy story universe has a soul
Jenny Nicholson: come for the review, stay for the existential dread.
I'll accept my mortality when I'm dead.
Toy Story, a dark dystopian franchise like the Christmas Prince movies? Hmmmmm....
"they've forced to lie for an eternity as a pile of conscious ash" jesus christ thats terrifying
That's about what Stinky Pete said he was afraid of. "Spending eternity rotting in some land fill!"
@@destinytroll1374 Torchwood: Miracle Day
I have no mouth and I must scream
@@JukeboxTheGhoul came to the comments to see if anyone else had that thought
that's just straight up SCP-2718
You’re right. But I really identified with that movie as a teacher. A theater teacher. I have the same kids for years until they grow up and move on. My business hinges on their attachment to me and what I teach. I love them and I’ve been trying to balance that love with knowing that they’re going to move on (and finding a healthy center for my sense of purpose).
I know that’s a super specific situation to identify with these movies but hey it’s something😅
Q Mandolin My HEART
I came from a violent home. I was probably a pretty good bet to end up in the prison or the graveyard. It was a Drama Teacher who wouldn't give up on me - wouldn't accept less than my best, never stopped encouraging me. I am living a happy, successful life now, and 45 years later I am still convinced that she is why I didn't self-destruct very early. I will be grateful to her for the rest of my days. I'm glad I went back and told her so. And now I'm telling you - what you do matters. It ripples down the years. Thank you.
@@kitthornton2336 that made me tear up a little
My greatest fear in life is the possibility of getting replaced by a space man because the god is bored with me
Pretty sure that already happened to me
I’d watch that Ingmar Bergman movie.
What if...
when you died, you wanted to go to Heaven
But God said:
_"byeeee Wooooody..."_
What if space man is alien. And god is purging using Covid 19.
I moved around a lot as a child, before anyone was concretely reachable, so the idea of "at any time you can just be removed from your friends and never see them again" is sad but completely imaginable. I've forgotten so many names and faces.
That must’ve been tough. Probably still is
That moment when a “random” person yells your name in public and in your head all you are thinking is I went to three different middle schools like I have no idea where you are from
I mean i had that same experience in a time with the iphone, but before kids really had them and yeah, hard to see my friends realizing the impermanence of relationships as they go through breakups or drift apart from childhood friends, because its hard for me to help them through something i grappled with as a child and no longer really worry about
Omg same, therapy gang.... 😭
One time God picked me up and wrote his name on my shoe. Later on though God sold me to a pawn broker, now I'm theologically owned by Applebees.
"Toy Story 3 is a brilliant send off to the franchise for the kids that grew up, along with Andy, on the originals."
*Toy Story 4:* I'm about to end this man's whole career.
mariokarter13 So the man goes off, reconnects with the woman he loves and starts a new career. Will it be messy and hard? Sure, but life is like that so make the best of it ;-)
@@katherinealvarez9216 o m g 😂
My issue with the series is it's established in 2 that Woody is "an old family toy" he's from a line that came out in the 50s(they remember/confirm that in 4) yet he only ever mentions Andy as a previous kid and he never draws on any experience of being outgrown. Like depending on what years the timeline lands in, Woody was at least Andy's father's toy, possibly his grandfather's(I mean he could have been his mother's toy, Idk) but when they're being packed away in 3, he doesn't reassure the gang like "It's okay, this is how it works, this is what's gonna happen" he just let's them freak out, like he does try to calm them down but doesn't site anecdotal evidence to do so. Also if I was Andy's mom, I'd be pissed "you gave our family heirloom away!? I wouldn't sell it to a man for 50 bucks but you just gave it to a random child!!??"
There was a bunch of tiny things that bugged the crap outta me in 4. Like the guy drives through a rainstorm to pick up a lamp??? Who does that? It could wait, it could definitely wait til the next day.
The fact that Bo is still made of porcelain but her clothes are sudden cloth and it's like we're just suppose to accept that.
The fact that they need a key to enter the cabinet but literally 30 seconds later we see a dummy leave the cabinet from the inside, does the lock only work one way? Are we just suppose to ignore that these events take place one after the other.
They try to make us empathize with Chatty Cathy but she literally harvested Woody's organs and we're just suppose to be like "Yeah, help her find a kid. She just wants love" SHE STOLE A MAN'S ORGANS, she was plotting it from the moment she met him, couldn't we have made her a good guy prior to her mutilating the main character!? Who approved this!??
Well damn. My only initial criticism was that the Key and Peele characters weren't funny and were kinda unfitting and annoying. Kudos.
super carlin bros: here’s how this all fits in to the pixar theory
jenny: i’m about to end this mans whole career
"UTTER NONSENSE!"
The toy uprising is the real reason people left earth in Wall-e
for some reason it took me a while to realise you were wearing costumes in these videos and I thought you just had like an eccentric personal style and I didn't question it at all until this moment.
In this era of constant sequels, there can be no happy endings.
Except cars 3. After cars 3, you walk out filled with the warm glowey feeling that a theatrical cars 4 movie couldnt possibly be financially viable
Why does this sound so profound
One of my favorite ideas from Last Action Hero. After Arnie finds out he's an action movie protagonist, there's a bit where he gets a little upset that his creators kept putting him and his family through the ringer in multiple sequels for entertainment.
Just ask Star Wars... Too bad you died for nothing, Anakin... 😕
Closer to real life
bro imagine how pissed andy would be that bonnie just carelessly lost his childhood toy
I don't know why he didn't just keep them in a box in his attic lol. He didn't have to give them away, he could just give them to his kid when he has one.
@@RemixedVoice Oh no. It is the ANARCHO CENTRIST!
RemixedVoice ...because then we wouldn’t have the third movie
"Take care of him for me OK?" WOODY LOST "WHAT THE---"
i mean at this point andy is probably too busy getting drunk at college parties to care
Toy story: "your parents won't replace you"
Toy story 2: "your parents will always love you"
Toy story 3 : "but one day you have to move on"
Toy story 4: "and find your own porpose in life"
Kingdom hearts 3: "or you could let some Japanese kid fix all your problems for you... That works too I guess"
Toy Story 5: We don't have to hide from the humans if they are all dead.
When will I find my porpoise?
@@The_Weasel_ Top 10 Questions Science Can't Answer
Still looking for my Japanese kid...
parents? what parents?
I remember thinking that in Toy Story 3 it would have been an amazing ending if they all just held hands in the incinerator and then it faded to black
The day the toy cried
I still, to this day, consider that the canon ending.
Same! Everyone I’ve told that to thinks I’m crazy
I was really disappointed when all my childhood favorite characters didn't die in a horrific industrial fire.
or they all like... melted together and became one
Jenny is almost in tears when she talks about the Randy Newman lying to her lol
Incidentally nobody's more cynical about those songs than Randy himself. He once pointed out that in You Got A Friend In Me he sounds like a used car salesman.
@@junebunchanumbers Randy Newman may not know this, but the only person he can possibly sound like is Randy Newman.
@@loonachan Hah!
That giant porg behind you during the unavoidable toy uprising: "It's ok Jenny, you always treated me well... you can be my plushy now..."
...I'm not a toy supremacist, only a toy separatist.
He already runs her house
The porg is big enough to run off, go "lost", and change itself into The Dread Porg
Roberts.
I'm not searching for the inevitable fan art someone made of this comment...
"There are no happy endings, because nothing ends." - Schmendrick the Magician, The Last Unicorn
Damn.
Very menacing.
But there is also no bad ending either, only eternity and us.
Ah my man Shmendrick, im relating to him more and more it seems
There’s no happy endings, not here and not now. This tale is all sorrows and woes. You may dream that justice and peace win the day, but that’s not how the story goes
-A Series of Unfortunate Events
You know, after watching this video I'd really appreciate knowing what your stance is on The Good Dinosaur.
im LITERALLY always scared that God will replace me with cool space men
* oustandingly rad techno music starts in the background of your life *
Sorry man, our ancestors will probably be super cool space men. But that's more uplifting than the alternative!
What if you're already a cool space man?
Consider.
I’m not scared of that at all. I figure whatever people watching my life will realize that whatever replacement shoved down their throats is a lame Poochy, and then the writers will learn their lesson and put the focus back on me.
I’m a classic, time tested character. The audience will never get tired of me!
i just had a random thought completely out nowhere: i'd love to see your hot take on The Good Dinosaur
Me too!
It sucks saved everyone's time
Yeah, weird. I thought of the same thing reading the description.
I was expecting to like that film, but it ended up becoming my least favorite Pixar movie.
I can't imagine she'd have a different opinion from everyone else... Mediocre.
I always assumed the Toy story themes were about friendships/relationships and how they change
Same. People are overthinking it with the existential dread. It's just a cool concept with mature themes, like all Pixar films
Thats funny, I I always thought they were about making money........
It's more fun to be edgy
@@HoorayTV21 everything is made to make money...
The squeaky shark wearing Woody's hat is one of my favorite clips from the Toy Story franchise. I love that it was added to the background of this video!
“Small toy privilege” reflects more guilt and self awareness for your porg than I’m prepared to handle right now.
I'm listening to a girl dressed like a toy talk about the themes and philosophy of mortality and reincarnation in a children's movie.
...
I could do this all day.
It's almost sort of relaxing in a way. Hearing her review stuff is so calming to me, like I just can't help but keep listening. Dunno why, I just find it interesting
Reigen arataka is best girl
@@BrutalKnight55 Same
Somewhere along the way, childrens' cartoons became surprisingly deep and philosophical and I'm not complaining.
SadboiLox I understood that reference
This ended up being a lot deeper than I was expecting. Good job Jenny, you made me contemplate my existential existence again. For several years after watching Toy Story 3 I had recurring nightmares about being a toy and getting abandoned or destroyed. The thought of spending eternity as a disembodied consciousness terrified me
the good dinosaur should be your next pixar review. i totally came up with that on my own and not from your description.
Yes, yes. I too came to my own conclusion that a Good Dinosaur hot take should be next.
All on my own.
I do too, and it's not an original thought, but I don't care because I want it so much!
@@mastermarkus5307 uhh, wut? Did you not read the description?
@@realgamergirl4638
Yeah, that's why I said it wasn't an original thought.
@@mastermarkus5307 I realize my sarcasm didn't translate well when written.
I loved the irony of Gabby Gabby verbally lamenting her lack of a voice box
That never dawned on me until now
Okay but the broken voice box gave me a legit nightmear😂😂
Honestly they could've just made some of the toys use asl with subtitles it's not that hard
@@victorthecollector9198 !!!! That would’ve been so smart!
Wait, why didn’t she just talk normally and fake still having a voice box? She can talk to other toys and humans can hear toys since Woody could threaten Sid back in the first movie, at least unless I’ve missed something.
Sid's toys was my introduction to body horror and it stuck with me. Even if you remind yourself that toys aren't really alive, it still raises questions of identity and the ship of Theseus problem.
Are you telling me that Toy Story 1 is basically Kain and Abel for kids
Andy: Woody, where's Buzz?
Woody: Am I my brother's keeper?
Yes, with an accidental attempted murder
woody was cursed by god to wander the earth and consume his own children? was that a deleted scene?
@@aila6814 well he wanders the earth in this one. Never heard of having to eat his young...
All those ponies you've rescued and restored definitely worship you as their god.
Omg best comment
Oh, no, you guys. I think it sees...
As do we all..
The best ethos of the movies that I've read/seen... somewhere... was just that the themes of the series aged with the audience. For any given movie, if you imagine the audience is Andy's age, it makes sense as a work that resonates with themes of people that age. The first movie is about new friends and the anxieties of children, the second movie is still about the anxieties of children, but more pre-teens than young children, the third movie is about change, growing up, and the anxieties that come with being an adult. I never saw Toy Story 4, but the existential angst described in this video sounds like the existential angst of people in their late 20s, who would have been Andy's age at the beginning of the series (me being in that age group). From this view, the movies neither have nor need a consistent theme from movie to movie; themes of our anxieties and relationships change as we age.
Conspiracy theory: this isn't her bedroom, but a different bed in a different room, set aside explicitly for shooting videos
a "bedroom set," if you will
@@handsomebrick Exactly
With slightly over 12 ferskillion patrons, she could easily buy a second mansion just to put this bedroom set in it to film her videos.
Her real bedroom has too many porgs that obstruct the camera. She compensates by bringing the big porg to her set.
@@realgamergirl4638
The big Porg is actually stuffed with smaller Porgs.
Toy Story 5
"Some kind of toy uprising is coming"
Summer 2023
Kjersten Toy Communist Revolution?
Small Soldiers 2?
Rise of Planet of the Toys
More like 2033
@@abandonedchannel281 that would be cool
I always saw friendship as being the key theme of the films (mostly because of the theme song albeit). 1) Your best friend may get a new friend but that doesn't make you less their friend and you may, in fact, come to love the new friend just as much if not more than your old friend 2) Sometimes you or your friends have to be apart for a while but that's an opportunity to meet new people and gain new life experiences 3) You can grow apart from your friends and that's okay, the time you spent with them and memories you made still have meaning because they helped form who you are as a person 4) Even when you feel alone or many of your friends are gone, it's never too late to make new friends (again) or reconnect with those you've lost touch with.
That being said, I agree with you on the treatment of Gabby Gabby. It didn't surprise me when they brought in a new little girl, but I was really hoping there was going to be some sort full circle where an older woman finds Gabby in the antique shop and brings her home. She might have had a Gabby doll when she was younger and was glad to see the doll again, it brought back fond memories. Or maybe she's a collector and not evil like Al. She just genuinely loves dolls and when she's off playing bingo all the dolls have adorable tea parties with their tiny china tea sets and brush each other's hair and swap lacey hats. It's not a moral theme or anything, just a sort of sign that in this universe of sentient toys, there will always be people who continue to love them.
This video forced me to take my pin out of mortality how dare you I like that pin where it is
Just put a few more in, mom
Ily
It’s funner when it’s out 👻
I CANNOT believe this crossover of my TH-cam faves. This is the only good thing I've seen in 2020
ghaskjdfsdf I was just watching your intense interview with that gamer therapist guy right before this and I was not ready to see you just comment on a random Jenny Nicholson video this is so surreal
"I guess the aliens are God now?"
*Scientology would like to know your location*
I wonder if the toys have thetans, too?
I knew those Egyptian couldn’t built the pyramid themselves
Yeah the aliens are god, 12 of them created the universe
Holy shit Scientology is just Homestuck
@@neverleavesthehouse you cracked the code
“Who fights for God’s attention?”
Cain literally killed Abel because God thanked Abel for his sacrifice and not Cain, since Cain’s sacrifice was selfish and all he wanted was attention. So...
Also isn't the act of prayer trying to get god's attention?
Yeah, that part and the "I think all this is based off this one line" made me stop watching for a minute. A one two combo of poorly thought out and wilfully ignorant.
I wish there was a follow up showing Andy getting a call from his mom explaining that Bonnie lost Woody.
Based on how he felt when giving his toys away, I think hearing that would kill Andy.
Toy story 5 is just John wick but for kids
"I need the hottest takes you have"
*this video*
"no, that's too hot"
Thanks Hans Moleman!
*draws back like a Baryonyx with lava on its snout* Ouch, it scalded me!
"critic, I need your hottest takes"
body horror concept: the microplastics in your blood are fully sentient toys
My hypochondria is starting to kick in... 💀
this is a beautiful thought thank you
Mr. Shark is the real villain of Toy Story 2 because why didn’t he just give Wheezy the extra squeaker in the first place
"If the toys had actually been incinerated, would they have died, or would they have just been forced to lie for eternity as a conscious pile of ash?"
SCP-2718 containment breach confirmed.
(Screams silently)
I gotta get back into those stories
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Also the plot to "End of Death"
End Of Death is fucking amazing and everyone should read it tbh
I realize I’m 2 months late with this hot take but...
I always though Toy Story was about change, purpose, and growing up.
TS1 is about how things change and that can be scary but can also bring more family and friends and is often a blessing even if you worry about being left behind or overshadowed.
TS2 is about choosing a path/purpose. You can do something/live a life that is safe and bland and stable or you can make the healthier more mature option to chose something that has risk and is finite but brings you joy and love and community.
TS3 is about endings. People who grew up on Toy Story loved it because it’s about how childhood ending (where that audience was in their lives) is scary because anything could happen and not all of it will be good. Circumstances change but even though that’s hard, on the other side there is joy and purpose and it’s totally different but still has a lot of similarities to the life you loved before.
TS4 is about realizing you are free to build any life you want and how that freedom is overwhelming and terrifying but ultimately what is needed to find purpose and meaning in your evolving life. It’s also about letting go of things you loved that no longer fit into what you want. A lot of people have things in their lives they hold onto because they used to love it but it doesn’t bring them that anymore. Woody leaving Bonnie and his friends is an example that you can change your purpose or how you identify yourself and it’s not a betrayal or giving up. It’s just a part of growing up.
Life is dynamic and nothing lasts forever but that doesn’t have to be bad.
Sorry for the novel...
And what about Woody's original owner? If he was made in the 50's, then someone must have had him before Andy.
Not to mention the original TV show Woody. You know, the marrionette one that the regular toy Woody is based off of? If a fork with some googly eyes glued on can become sentient, marrionettes surely count under the same umbrella as "toy." So where is OG Woody, Jesse, Bullseye and Stinky Pete?
Woody’s first owner was Andy’s dad. This is cannon, one of the creators of toy story talks about it in an interview, it just never made it into the story.
GlitteryGecko The original marionettes coming to claim their place as the originals and the philosophy of individuality is Toy Story 5 potential.
@@fortunatecookie the creator that talked about that told his friend. That creator died in a car crash. It's not cannon as Pete Doctor said in a tweet it's absolutely not true. Each creator had their own "origin" story I think, but none of it is cannon.
That has already been thoroughly debunked.
Me personally? I’d like to see a The Good Dinosaur hot take
KaijuTurtle i think you’d be a little disappointed tbh. i’d expect just a 20-second video with only the words “This movie was boring.” immediately followed by the list of patreon supporters
Of all the options I'm most excited to hear Jenny talk about The Good Dinosaur : )
I clapped!
The description lol
AmbientCreativity ohh i didn’t see that haha whoops
I only just realized she says an energetic “so!” for the first word in almost every video
how long did it take you to do that hair jenny
how long
They naturally form into whatever hairstyle is related to what she is talking about like The Thing but with hot takes.
those bangs 😳
@@Dominicn123 seems like -you- need to take your pills
@@farrahcoulee6701 why'd you cross out you
11:30 I feel for the way Jenny's voice cracks at the end of "What was that Randy? Was that all just a *lie*?"
"And who.. fights for God's attention? Who feels anxiety that God will replace them with a cool space man?"
I feel like this was the plot of Prometheus..
I'm afraid that Jenny will replace me with a cool spaceman.
WHERE IS YOUR JENNY NOW
That's probably exactly how her porg feels.
That's how we all feel
@@pxlybius *surprised pikachu face*
Jenny sounds like she's consistently 3 seconds from crying, occasionally fluctuating to 1 second from crying.
She's just really concerned about toy equality and indigenous toy rights.
Why’s this so accurate fuck
@@robertdougherty349 "Are they all jealous of small toy privilege? "
not gonna lie i don't hear it
Especially prevalent at around 11:27 😭
"PLeasE Randy come back I need my dance party. Dance and tell me that everything is okay."
This has to be one of my favorite quotes of all time
Omg you finding the pin you put in mortality had me DYING.
16:24 so what youre saying is you must live forever and never stop loving your porg for its sake.
"the daycare represents heaven" oh my god was this where church of the rock got their idea
Thank you for saying the pixar theory is nonsense. I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds it dumb. You can bend and twist anything to fit your narrative.
It's hilarious how a lot of it fits, though it's obvious it's nothing more than a little running inside joke, like A113 and BnL.
@@RemixedVoice I think they hide little Easter eggs from other Pixar films in newer ones, similar to A113. But I don't think that means the Creators are alluding to a deeper theory of the movies all taking place in the same universe.
I feel like you can take much of Jenny's read but view Gabby-Gabby's ending as less aberrant/revisionist and account in Woody's relationship to Forky and you get something fairly coherent about the trade offs between altruism and seeking happiness through a more parochial lens through stages of life. As well as how directly one needs to help to help effectively
I think in there essential "toyness," it's fair to assume the desire, reflected in woody's speeches about nobility, to help a child is a moral good and valid purpose for a toy.
I think you can see Gabby-Gabby's "failure" through much of the film mostly as fixation on a particular child (Harmony) vs understanding that there are _other_ children she can help. Her vanity re: voice box isn't really what gets her there (though it is played as more than irrelevant), rather it is about helping a child in need (lost) vs helping a child who, per her mother, "already has enough toys"
Whereas Bo-Peep in backstory did the good work of getting Molly through her fear of the dark, and then was fulfilled enough to go off on her own, live for herself
Woody has to come to that realization throughout the film, and he arrives at it partially through helping Forky accept his present role in Bonnie's life, partially through his commitment to helping him reunite with her, partially in more or less willingly helping Gabby-Gabby, and then staring in the face the opportunity to stay with Bonnie and (with a push) _choosing_ to stay with Bo-Peep
And then in the mid-credits Bo and Woody are spending their time helping unite other toys (the prizes) with new children. Helping many kids indirectly rather than few directly
Idk. Jenny put more effort into this than I obviously - but I think there's something down this path.
Jenny’s take was a but too deep. I think the movies are much more simple like your theory
Yeah this is a good take. I didn't feel Gabby-Gabby's resolution undercut Woody's
I just want a version in which all the toys pull a Sid style revolution and reveal their existence to all of humanity.
Jenny pls talk about the new Lion King. You're the only one whose opinions I care about
YES
khelysi Read her twitter, she’s got a lotta hot roasts on it!
@@aidan2565 the twitter roast was enjoyable but i am but a mortal that craves longform Lion King roasts
Good luck getting ms N to review anything! I e begged for an aquaman review for a long time now.
@@lostjohnny197 she's said before that she wont review anything that she doesnt feel like reviewing. Might as well give up on trying to push movies on her and just enjoy the ride.
i thought about that "when do toys actually even die" part when i was a child after seeing toy story one. it weirded me out and i came to the conclusion that everything in that universe has a consciousness but only toys can talk. it made me really sad and then everytime i opened my silverware drawer i always felt sad for the forks that didnt get used.
OH MY GOD IT'S PUT INTO WORDS, my whole life whenever there was an instance where there was something in a group that was a little different, i always picked it because i seemed to feel.. sorry for it? like a plant that's been a bit neglected at the garden store or the smooshed cupcake in a box of a colleague's birthday cupcakes they brought to share. I don't even know how to feel about this
Oh my goodness. Once I drew a face on a piece of pineapple with ketchup, and then couldn't bring myself to eat it. I tried to tell myself that all food "wants to be eaten", but my little kid brain knew I would be ending a life if I ate it.
The face was smiling. I couldn't take it. I put it in the dark and dust between my father's desk and the wall.
People who thought like this now have anxiety and/or depression. I should know... I’m one of those people
@@arigadatred5395 this is the origin of the movie sausage party
@@thewhiterabbitchaser I've heard that movie's terrible. God damnit, now I know _I'm_ responsible for it!
The lesson I took from Toy Story 2 was "don't let the fear of impermanence or loss keep you from investing deeply during the time you have." Which is something I've really needed to hear at certain points in my life. (But yeah, "don't be a vampire" works too 😄)
Jenny: *Talks about the inevitability of outgrowing toys.*
Giant Porg: Am I a joke to you?
I very much viewed the main theme of this movie as “sometimes your friends leave, even if you said you’d never leave each other, and that’s okay too. You’ll make new friends and still have the fun memories of the old”
That’s the meaning that made me sad.
As someone who’s watched most of Jenny’s videos multiple times during quarantine, this is one video I will not touch because the existential dread is 2 strong 4 me
For what it’s worth, the impermanence of everything - even friendship - feels like a central theme in all Toy Story movies. So 4 could simply be read as “how to find peace even with the impermanence of your most fundamental relationships.” And perhaps not everyone is capable of finding peace with that (gabby gabby - though I agree on your critiques of the voicebox-fixing).
On the second criticism, I could imagine toys finding peace without running out to travel the world. Some major world religions center on finding peace in spite of everything being impermanent.
Maybe elderly toys in the attic all just turn into Buddhists. Lol.
*God replaces me with a space man*
Me: You know what. That's fair.
Isn't that just The Croods
I don't know why, but I can't stop laughing at this. 🤣
Andy? I've never seen Andy. In fact, I'm starting to think that Andy never existed, and we're all caught up in some grand illusion!