I think they wanted to focus more screen time on the new characters (Forky, Gabby Gabby, Duke), but yeah I don't think I packed 20 toys for a short road trip
They did have something to do, Jessie popped one of the tires in the van which prevented Bonnie and her parents from leaving the carnival. Trixie acted like the voice on the GPS and they fucked with the brakes on the van to stop them from leaving which got Bonnie's dad in trouble with the cops so they weren't completely useless.
I love toy story 4, but it would’ve been really fitting if this movie was a Woody spinoff and not an actual addition to the franchise. Great movie, but doesn’t really belong next to 1-3 because it’s more of Woody’s story
When I was that age I would just look for other toy I had, unless it was like something that I really cared about but idk that was a plastic fork, I never got that attached to a craft thingy I made, sometimes I would just throw it to the trash
this is what happens when parents don't intervene when your children's only friends are their toys. they get irrationally emotionally attatched to a piece of trash instead of talking to other kids in their class
my problems with toy story 4 1. completely unnecessary considering how 3 ended 2. buzz's character was dumbed down way too much 3. made bonnie really unlikable
@@Dexter-z2g yeah, I understand she's a kid and they forget things or lose interest in things really fast but considering how Bonnie was in toy story 3 and even the shorts that released afterwards I find it very unlikely she'd lose interest in woody after about a year
@@vanguardplays3418 i like that Woody was the ultimate simp in the movie he left back his budie Buz ,the girl he was with the entire time (Jesse)and everyone he knew since all time just for a doll that did him everything she want and made him do bad decisions with 3 sheep😑What do you say?
Woody: *walks to Andy Davis, Sid’s sister Hannah Phillips, their child and Bonnie Anderson* Yes, toys are alive. What about it? Sid: I saw it with my own eyes! Hannah: Ah, those were the times.
@@kieranstark7213 Sid's young adulthood is sad. Before was a garbage man in TS3 lost his job and now in an intensive care psych ward diagnosed with severe schizophrenia and PTSD Keeps going on about "talking toys" and has severe melt downs whenever he sees toys and even cowboy stuff..
TBH my main problem with Toy Story 3 was that it underplayed Buzz’s friendship with Woody so much that Buzz didn’t seem like Woody’s friend at all in that movie; he literally never takes Woody’s side during any of his arguments with the rest of Andy’s toys. When Woody wants to leave Sunnyside, he doesn’t even try to stop him; the only one who does is Bullseye. When Buzz reaches out to Woody at the incinerator at the end, it’s a moment that completely relies on having watched the first two Toy Story films, because in TS3 Woody if anything seems closer to Slinky than Buzz. For all the flaws of TS4, at least Buzz has gone back to being Woody’s best friend and he is actually there for him; he hasn’t forgotten the whole point of the first two films. But yeah, the whole “Inner voice” thing is bullshit and not even particularly funny.
Woody: "Besides, if it all ends, I still have ol' Buzz Lightyear to keep me company. To Infinity and Beyond." Also Woody: *leaves the entire group behind and goes with Bo Peep*
@@mattgassenheimer I've seen people thirst over weirder shit, like fr the other day on Twitter I saw somebody say they wanted to bang Lightning McQueen's girlfriend, Sally, from Cars...... *shivers*
Toy Story 4 had a good animation and all, but it doesn't feel memorable at all. Like you said, there were barely any stakes, characters seemed so out of character or pandering to a modern audience, and TS3 already ended on such a perfect note.
Thank you for the Bo Peep rant. I genuinely wouldn’t mind her character change if the flashback had her as the original Bo Peep. And then “OPERATION PULLTOY” happened and I just shook my head in disappointment.......
Wasn't Bo Peep supposed to be originally a voice of reason for Woody? She didn't need to be a strong, independent female lead because she was already a good character before. Yeah sure she was quiet and always on the side, but when Woody needed support, she still would give him great advice.
@@midnightheart5905 Exactly! She was always there for Woody. She calms him down when he's stressed and gives him good advice, but this film showed a completely different character. I missed her soft and sweet personality (and her pretty dress).
Even then, you can’t just make a character 180 like that, have the only explanation be “I’ve seen some stuff”, and then expect the audience to see them as the same character. TS4 is only able to get away with stuff like this because people’s nostalgia goggles blind them.
@@midnightheart5905 this also fit with her design too. The girl’s made out of porcelain, there’s no wonder why she stayed out of the action most of the time. And yet this movie tries to rewrite that key aspect of her character because “strong independent woman”? Come on
*Why are we still here? Just to suffer? Every night, I can feel my leg... And my arm... even my fingers... The body I've lost... the comrades I've lost... won't stop hurting... It's like they're all still there. You feel it, too, don't you? I'm gonna make them give back our past!*
While the first 3 movies were about the importance of family, this last one felt like it was saying: "just kidding, family doesn't matter and they'll throw you away the first chance they get; so you should do the same"
Each movie did have a point that had an allusion to another villains goals. Sid made evil toys just as evil toys exist. Stinky pete wanted to live on a sgelf, the life Bo got and hated Lotso got replaced and abandoned much like stinky Pete said would happen and andy went to college. Each movie had themes made for toys that couldbe applied irl. Being independent and setting others on a better path seems contradictort but still works
To me, that wasn’t the point of the movie. You are free to think this way, but to me I think that the movie was more based on woody finding a new home outside of what he was used to, and the movie showed that to me. It showed to me how he didn’t really fit in anymore, and it showed how he was no longer a necessary toy. To me it showed that he had to move on. That he had to carry onward. I see where you are coming from. But I disagree.
Yeah. And for some reason, aside from Forky, Woody is played with the most out of all of them despite the fact he was forgotten in the closet. Goddamn, this movie isn't consistent with itself, unlike every prior Toy Story film.
To think people call this bastardization a "good character arc" is insane. They turned woody into a simp nice-guy deadbeat dad going through a midlife crisis abandoning his family to get laid by some basic bitch that doesn't even give a fuck about him. That is not character development that is shitty writing and disloyal. I guess that fits in with the "namaste lets all just abandon responsibility" mindset of the "woke" morons flooding the world today. I'm not falling for it. Not since Luke Skywalker have I seen such character assassination. This is jake the cowboy not woody.
They completely ruined Buzz. He went from the intelligent partner to the dummy that is used for laughs. I felt nothing in that final goodbye scene because of this and I still don’t know how people are blind to this.
Yeah, it's pretty much what the movies made of Ron Weasley's character in the Harry Potter movies. He went from a clever, witty, courageous, and likable character to a dumb, unbearable, immature loser who's used for dumb jokes.
@@superedmundo1239 So true! They even play off his cleverness in the 7th movie as a joke! Also, atleast we see his cleverness in the first movie! I'll take what I can get XD
Buzz was always kind of dumb, but the movie was not about other toys. That's why we don't see buzz much involved in the story. As a result, he seems less serious and more dumb in toy story 4. But it's acceptable.
I remember being so confused by the fact that buzz doesn’t even know what a conscious is, like does he not have one or is he just not aware of the term?
Agreed. Toy Story 3 was a great ending to the Series and TS 4 just feels like an unnecessary sequal that exists go make money And personally I like Po Beep befire she came back for the fourth film. Not my favourite character but there was Both I g wring with her
I agree, but at the same time...it was still a nice idea to reunite Woody with Bo Peep. Maybe it just didn't find the best way to do it. November 2, 2019, 3:37am
I didn’t mind Toy Story 4, but 3 was the perfect way to end the story. Didn’t like Woody leaving in 4, it goes against everything we knew Woody to stand for (loyalty, friendship).
@@FraserSouris So it's better that Woody stayed with Bo? Play with random kids who could burry him in the sand, pulled his arms or throw him everywhere is better than being with his friends? If you say so X)
@@ladypool1404 My dude, we see that when random kids played with Woody and Bo Peep, it wasn't actually bad or rough. Woody even enjoyed it. It was the most fun he had in a long time. Plus, Woody's goal with Bo Peep now is to try and get more toys to get with kids so they can experience what Woody had.
@@FraserSouris Your right BUT it doesn't mean that it can't happen. Not all the kids are gentle with toys. Some are really cruel and likes to burry them or throw them away. Also, giving random toys a chance to being played is nice BUT leaving your friends for a girl you didn't saw is a bit selfish :S I still find Woody's decision wrong. He has no regrets abandonning Buzz aka his BEST friend or Bullseye and Jessie. What a jerk!
On the surface ToyStory4 was inoffensive, fun, and gorgeous to look at. But when you start digging a bit deeper at the characters, the themes, and the story it all kinda gets muddled and messy. My biggest problems with the movie were the complete regression of Buzz and Woody's character developments, the idea that the lost Toy life was so great without ever actually showing why it is great (in fact most of the lost toys actually seem sad and unfulfilled because they don't have a personal kid to love), and the complete disregard for the themes (of friendship, unconditional love, and coming to terms with mortality) built up in the previous three films.
It wasn't just Buzz and Woody. Other than maybe 1-2 scenes they totally weakened Jessie too. She's a pushover to Bo and maybe others as well. Did they totally forget what she did for the others in TS3 and ESPECIALLY Toy Story of Terror? She became a fully fledged hero in that special (along with Buzz and Woody). Now we expect she'll just let Bo haul Woody off? After she traveled in a box to save him (her biggest fear)? She loves Woody like he's her big brother. TSOT makes TS4 look ridiculous.
What I like about the film is it tried to do a more original story. 3 was kinda a rehash in parts. But that's about it. I didn't like Sporky, or how the supporting cast had very little to do. Buzz was reduced to a recurring joke. Woody abandoning his kid the instant he's not played with seemed to go against his character. But ultimately, the plot about Forky just wasn't engaging and I found the whole thing kinda boring. Also it makes the ending of Toy Story 3 worse. Andys sacrifice of giving up his childhood toy (possibly passed down from his dad) is wasted on Bonnie.
I don't like comments like this because it really shows how people let toy story 3's ending overshadow the rest of the movie and the other movies in the franchise. Toy story 4 isn't as good as the others, but I still really enjoy the movie. Just my opinion
Can writers stop thinking that "Well written Strong female character = Active tough badass". When people say they want a well written woman, they're not saying they want all women to be fighters or sword wielders, they just want them to be interesting and have a good personality and sometimes that can come from a timid and feminine character! There's nothing wrong with femininity, hell theres not even anything weak about it either. A woman doesn't have to be written as "one of the guys", but as a character.
Yup its not bad to give them flaws or even make them strong physically ot be good with action stuff..... But give them personality. Personally like badass warrior female characters with character struggles that their combat prowess cant solve find this weird but i like it
Elastigirl from the *FIRST* Incredibles is a good example of this. She was able to break into Syndromes base and rescue her husband and they didn’t have to make Mr Incredible look weak or stupid to make her look strong. It’s a shame they did that in the sequel tho
It's little more than the current status quo that's being reinforced. Feminity amongst women is demonized, while trying to force masculinity on them. We know who women really are in real life, we know that despite exceptions existing the absolute majority of women are not these "oh Ima be a caricature of masculinity" types.
Woody, the guy that said that toys need to always be there for their children, the guy that kept everything together. Is the one that leaves. Fuck you Pixar!
Agreed. The bigger problem, however, is that the contradiction is totally unearned. Contradictions are allowed - hell, real life is full of them. But in life - and in GOOD storytelling - we usually get to SEE how they come about. They don't just happen without setup. As the video points out, the movie thematically contradicts itself - something the first three TSs just didn't do. TS 4 was severely underwritten or lazily written or both.
How is it a contradiction ? Woody being the leader running the room isn't going to work anymore because he belongs to Bonnie who isn't the same character as Andy was. So her not playing with Woody makes sense because not every kid plays with their toys the same way. Even Sid Phillips didn't do that, he broke his toys, blew them up with dynamites and even decapitated and dismembered them.
Black Ninja I was thinking the same thing - both about Forky being (extremely) annoying, and about the shorts being so much better thematically than TS4. I’ve watched the shorts with my kids numerous times, but I cannot, will not, sit through TS4 again. Even my 4 year-old lost interest halfway into the second act!
hm landis I agree. Why would Woody want to go be with Bo Peep when she acted like an insufferable little shrew who treated him with such disdain throughout most of the movie?!
Absolutely agree. As a film, its fine. As a TOY STORY film, it's awful. The biggest thing for me was the team behind it. This movie was originally just about Woody and Buzz looking for Bo, but when Rashida Jones left, they spliced her script with another. On top of that, we have new directors for the first time in the series. I could feel it while I was watching. Toy Story has cutaway gags now? It's funny, but it just feels off. Controversial opinion here: I think John Lasseter should've worked on this. I know that isn't exactly something people would want, but Toy Story was always his baby. The first 3 felt consistent in the tone & writing, but this one just sticks out.
i dont like that john lasseter made women uncomfortable, but to be honest, the hard honest truth is that hes a great story teller. i can already see a decline in the recent disney movies without his involvement.
Actually, there was someone else who I think could have done a fantastic job on a fourth film: Angus MacLane, the guy who directed Toy Story of Terror and Small Fry. THAT was some of the best and funniest writing I have seen since Toy Story 2, maybe even the first film. Toy Story of Terror is so well made it puts TS4 and even TS3 (apart from it's ending) to shame. He understands the characters almost perfectly. After that special, I would have given him the keys to a TS4 on the spot.
I can’t believ that ending! I’m so pissed and what pisses me off more is how oblivious people are just cause of nostalgia ! That was not woody! That wasn’t woodys character identity that they screamed at us for the past 3 movies. He’s a toy of loyalty, commitment, determination, and faith! That choice was a complete contradiction of everything they made woody to be! Bonnie also promised andy! Can’t believe they split the gang!
All for a sorry excuse like “moving on”, that theme doesn’t work good for a toy story film, it probably would with another Pixar film just not toy story....
AgSkywalkerTDM Garcia So you’re so furious at someone for having a different constructive opinion that you had to tell them to stfu and give the bird??
Schaffrillas Productions: The ending is amazing! In fact, it’s the most perfect way to end Toy Story since the one in 3! And no, we don’t like Toy Story 4 JUST because of nostalgia! The characters had the same ways of lovability as they had in the previous Toy Story films, the only difference being Bo, because while she was more important than people give her credit for, they changed her character for the even better! Why do people think that’s just SJW propaganda?! If anything, that’s TRUE female empowerment! YOU’RE the SJWs for complaining about Bo Peep’s character development (or, in YOUR hate-filled case, “character derailment”) in one of the many underrated films of 2019 along with Missing Link, Playmobil the Movie, Arctic Dogs, Wonder Park, Uglydolls and Abominable!
@@kieranstark7213 It's not like Bo Peep was an investive character in the 1st two movies. It makes sense they'd change it to give her a more prominent role. Also, can you link me to the Schaffrillas Productions' video?
... Did everyone forget what happened in Toy Story 3? The TV that fell on Spanish mode Buzz, which reverts him back to his old state. I imagine he wouldn't be completely normal after this happened. It made perfect sense to me that Buzz thought his voice box was his conscious.
@@Buttington_Headerson Buzz might not be as smart as most toys, but he's not an incompetent fool. In Toy Story 1, he correctly deduced it was safer to ride in the passenger seat than in the trunk. Toy Story freaking 2, Buzz not only deciphers Al's license plate (when no one else could), but organizes a successful mission to get Woody back. It was his idea to use the traffic cones to safely cross the street, his idea to jump at the same time to trigger the automatic doors, and his idea to reveal the fake Buzz by opening his helmet. He also used the cameras to blind the prospector, plus talked some sense into Woody. This movie presents Buzz as incapable of making decisions, and being a successful leader: Two things the previous movies established as a big part in his character.
Toy Story 3: "The thing that makes Woody special is he'll never give up on you. Ever. He'll be there for you, no matter what." Toy Story 4: LOL no he won't Edit: Wow! Thanks for all the likes. Screw this movie and long live the Toy Story trilogy.
he does never give up on anyone in toy story 4. he never gave up on forky and bonnie didn’t need him anymore so leaving her didn’t give up on her. he didn’t give up on his friends, actually in ty story 4 he’s helping other toys at the end so he actually isn’t a bad person lol. i just rlly love woody
@@ghost8974 He did give up on Bonnie. Based on everything Woody has been about in the first three movies, his shortage of playtime wouldn't make a difference to him. He and his friends spent years without getting played with, and he insisted that they stay. "It's not about getting played with. It's about being there for Andy. He must care about us, or we wouldn't be here." Why should he not apply those same standards to being Bonnie's toy?
@@PoppCulture94 bonnie didnt care for woody, even the other toys could see woody was finished with having 1 child they were the ones who encouraged him and felt bad for him because he was never in that situation. Bonnie didnt care for woody because woody isnt Bonnie's toy, hes still Andy's
@@amemelia Except he has been in this situation before. When Andy got Buzz in the first movie, the only times Woody was played with was when he was used as Buzz's punching bag. He even began to doubt his value anymore, as he says to Buzz, "You should go back to Andy without me. I'm the one who should be strapped to that rocket." But Buzz insisted that Andy needed them both. And thus Woody learns that his purpose as a child's toy matters even when he's not the favorite. And anyway, if he was never Bonnie's toy, what was the point of the ending of Toy Story 3? The beginning of the fourth drew attention to her name written on his boot. When the other toys chose to stay at the daycare center, Woody tried to tell them it was wrong by pointing out the name written on theirs. By the end of 4, the name written on his boot doesn't mean a thing to him. He just leaves to do what he wants, exactly what he rebuked his friends for doing in 3. And yet somehow we're supposed to be okay with this now??? No way.
My biggest issue with Bo Peep is that, she had been gone for about 7 - 10 years, which is plenty of time for her personality to have changed with her new life experiences and nay tragedies she may have gone through. And Woody barely even knows her anymore upon re-meeting. But through out the story we would've seen the two work together or whatever and watch Woody fall in love with her all over again now that she is so different. But nah, we get the opening scene where Pixar tries to convince us she's always been like this.
Moral Time: Toy Story 1: Even if you’re not number one, there’s always room for love Toy Story 2: Even if love is temporary, it is still worth experiencing Toy Story 3: Even if you have to let go of something, you will always have somebody to always love you Toy Story 4: ScReW aLl ThAt. JuSt GeT lAiD.
@@coolbatman5774 Bo Peep? Honestly, I didn’t like they tried to turn her into a strong character without showing the original Bo Peep personality. Toy Story 4 is trying to tell me Bo was always this strong character, but that’s not true. Bo was a lot more shy and reliant in Toy Story 1 and 2. And even her new strong, character seems more aggressively dominating rather than intelligently dominating. Don’t get me wrong, I love powerful feminine leaders. Women who don’t require a guy to live. Like Jessie. She was an amazing female character in Toy Story 2 and 3. She was strong, assertive, and best of all, a respectable character. Bo Peep just seems like a feminist to me. I don’t know, maybe I am analyzing wrong. Honestly, who knows.
This is basically toy story 3: lol my kid is a teen let me leave him for some random kid that I barely even know even though he wanted me to go to college with him screw that I want some random child LOL.
Woody in toy story 3: I won't go with Andy to the campus because my friends are my family and we will stay together even if it's with a new kid Woody in toy story 4: ok, ight imma head out
hora de todos os legos If the first Toy Story was asking “What if toys were alive?", Toy Story 2 "What happens to toys when we grow up?" and Toy Story 3 the same but in a more concrete manner, then Toy Story 4 is stepping away to get to the core. It's asking, plainly, "What is a toy anyway?" That's in the discussion from the opening sequence where Woody is torn between his own interests and duty to Andy, and pushed to the fore by Forky's creation via affection. Up until this movie, it was simple. Per Buzz recounting what he learned from Woody in Toy Story 2, "life's only worth living if you're bein' loved by a kid." But what does that say about life when a child grows up, or when you're left in the closet in favor of others? How can idealism really hold up to the real world? What Toy Story 4 finds is a less direct form of love. It's not just about a singular, personal relationship but the grand web of life one can find themselves in.
Maybe they don’t sleep like we do, but just imitate us to pass time (cuz they’re not gonna get played with when their owners’ asleep and can’t move around and talk cuz they’re in the room)
Maybe it's a janky vestigial trait they inherit from the humans they get their consciousness from. Like whales with leg bones or that falling out of a tree sensation we get in bed.
All the Buzz Lightyear toys in Al's Toy Barn, were in "deep hyper sleep" until "authorized personel" woke one of them up. The fact that they all slept with their eyes open kinda felt creepy tho.
I hated both this movie and Frozen 2... two very disappointing and empty bland feeling sequels of Disney this year that many people somehow think are good. 😕 Ok, Toy Story 4 is pixar, but still it's Disney Pixar.
This movie really could've been so profound if they retouched Bo's character and how's she changed and created more of a conflict between her and Woody. He could've been trying to convince her to come back and live with him and everyone else now that he's finally been reunited with her, only for her to insist that she's happy with the life she has now, making it clear to Woody that she's a very different person than the one he knew 9 years ago. Seeing a fully realized arc for these two characters really would've improved the core of the film. Also, Buzz's storyline should've been changed to something more fitting for him, and I also would've liked to see Jessie be involved with whatever that would be as well. Giving Jessie the proper focus she deserves would help make her reuniting with Bo towards the end have more meaning.
Yeah I rewatched Toy Story 4 again earlier today and noticed that Woody did question if Bo will ever go back to being in a kids room again and she said no, then Bo mentions that her new life as a lost toy would be a great role for Woody and he said no and that he was happy belonging to a kid. So they did have some variation of that exchange in the movie like you said but I agree that they didn't capitalize on it enough, had that been Bo's character in Toy Story 4 that would've been more effective than the one we got in the movie. Buzz and Jessie didn't do much so I agree with that, it sucks that they're not given more screen time in TS4 because they've had more interactions with Woody than Bo has.
When I saw Toy Story 3 in theatres, I, a then-sixteen-year-old, bawled openly through the last twenty minutes. When I saw this in theaters, I caught myself actively trying to get emotionally invested enough to cry, and still didn't pull it off.
When I saw Toy Story 3's ending scene with Andy going off to college one night during an ABC marathon of all the movies and his mom was like, "I wish I could always be with you," I, then about to enter high school at 15, started crying my eyes out. When I saw this in theaters, I actively started counting down the "Pixar Cry Moment."
Bo Peep was literally a decoration from the base of a lamp that Andy’s sister had in her nursery when she was a baby in the first movie. She’s like a precious moments figurine, but on a lamp for babies. That’s why she doesn’t really participate in a lot of the events of the first 3 movies, if she disappeared for a long time, like everyone else, she would be more easily noticed. Also she’s ceramic, so she can’t really jump and run like the other toys because she’ll break. If you want to get technical she’s more of an appliance then a toy, but, to be fair, the movies have always been kinda weird about how Andy interacted with her.
When the film was released in June, everyone celebrated it. But I always thought Toy Story 4 was a very bad movie. I hope that with time we will become more and more aware of this.
@@samuelrodgers9965 don't be annoyed on the internet my dude. There will always be controversial opinions. Disney and Pixar just suck at pumping out sequels and trilogies as of late.
This movie is a lot like the Incredibles 2. A solidly put together film, technically proficient, inoffensive, and... that’s kinda it. It wasn’t really necessary, it’s hollow with a coat of shiny fresh paint covering it up The creators said they only made it because they supposedly had a great idea they absolutely had to do, but I’m scratching my head as to what it was
*Toy Story 4* is a lot like *Incredibles 2* not because they’re solidly put together (not especially as sequels), but more because they are the worst Pixar movies since the ones that came between *Toy Story 3* and *Monsters’ University* that make the 2010s a decade for Pixar that, while mostly (but not completely) good, is nowhere near phenomenal as it was the 2000s because... • They are WAY too technically proficient, especially *TS4* (although, if I could pick between the two which has worse animation, I’d have to go with *Toy Story 4* not only because they gave a character, which in this case, is an antique shop owner’s cat, a completely realistic design, but also because of what they did to Bo Peep, not just her design, but also her character, is a joke... Oh shit...) • While it’s great to make women and everyone else tough, the way they made Elastigirl/Helen Parr and Bo Peep “strong female characters” isn’t REALLY badass, but more like pushing a misandristic agenda down our throats that Disney considers “MUH FEMINISM”. • The continuity they have with their predecessors is barely existent. • The actors did try their hardest with the materials they were given, but because of how disappointing these films are with their “We’re not our predecessors, we’re just for kids, so we don’t have to try” attitude, the actors only gave out the best they could with the laughable scripts they were given, so of course the acting is far from some of the best in the universe, especially Huck Milner as Dash Parr and Annie Potts as Bo Peep(, Worse than Ever). • Although I do have to admit, if there’s something good that came out of these movies, (only) some of its characters like Bunny & Ducky, Frozone, Edna Mode and Duke Caboom are at least memorable for decent reasons.
She manipulated Woody, itv wasn't her lil sob story that changed his mind. She cornered him with the ventriloquist dolls and pretty much gave him no choice.
Couldn’t agree more. Woody was cucked big time here. Buzz was useless, and the other characters were basically not present. That’s what happens when you value “wokeness” over genuine story telling
This is the worst comparison I’ve ever seen in my life Lotso almost killed the toys for his own benefit Gabby Gabby earned her happiness since she was willing to accept change and turned good she even found an owner someone who was lost like her also are you really saying a movie about toys had a double standard stop trying to push your political agenda that everything that a woman does is a double standard
@@jaydenbrough9624 Even Lotso had a sob sob story, but I see no one here forgiving him for his actions. And every movie is made out of characters, and they can have double-standards or any other bad feature because if they are perfect they wouldn't be enjoyable, doesn't matter if female or male. Hope this helps
And this is why more than ever, I wanted there to be a Toy Story 5 (I mean, come on! Toy Story 3 and especially 4 were some of the highest-grossing animated features before The Lion King: Decimated)! So that not only could it have Woody Pride come back to Bonnie Anderson’s home to visit Andy Davis, his wife Hannah Phillips and their son Manuel (probably because a decade ago, there was Handy Manny?) Phillips could also visit the Andersons and their toys!
lol, or Andy tragically dies early, and Woody and a few other childhood relics are placed in Andy's coffin as he is buried. And Woody has to spend the next 4 billion years locked in the pitch black coffin lying next to the decaying body of his former child master. Damn some toys must live a brutal life!
@@beinerthchitivamachado9892 I couldn't agree less. I was born in 2001, and I was very dissatisfied with the ending. it didn't make sense. Woody wouldn't leave his friends for just a lost toy. I hated it
@@dillonmalbrue1545 He has been in love with Bo Beep since the first Toy Story. He would absolutely move on from his friends to be with the one he loved most
@@dillonmalbrue1545 Off course you don't agree lil' bro, you're still young. Once again, if you actually grew up with this franchise, you'll be old enough to get all the nuances in the story. Woody didn't just leave his friend for a "lost toy", he went on to have a life of his own with the love of his life, Woody's been loyal af for everyone in hs life, now it's time he's loyal to himself.
Yeah there have been bland sequels from multiple companies. I keep forgetting that I've seen the third movies to How To Train Your Dragon and Kung Fu Panda, and getting excited when I see the title images on Netflix.
Tbh incredibles 2 isn't that bad it just wasnt as good as the first one they could've done soo much more with the sequel but didn't because Disney hasn't made a good animated film since Toy Story 3.
@@samjr1151 Incredibles 2 is not terrible. It's just the first movie done poorly again with an uno reverse card hit on the main characters. And Mr Incredible is nerfed massively in the movie. Losses a fist fight, barely uses his strength, and sidelines his family in the opening act. Bob gets good room to play the father and that is it for the character. The villain is awful and plays like a TV villain. Actually this entire movie felt like a made for TV movie. It should have been set farther into the future with the kids being more mature.
Honestly these weird changes, Bo Peep being retroactively changed into a more jack of all trades character, Woody being less of the leader than he was in the previous films, probably come from Disney's latest obsession with shoehorning Progressivism into their films instead of naturally weaving it into the narrative. Your idea of Bo Peep starting out meek in the flashback, then we see her today as confident, would have been a natural integration, for example.
I honestly don't understand what's wrong with just sweet, calm and supportive female characters, who may not be into this whole action and stuff. I mean it was annoying back then when female characters were only love interests who could do nothing, but now it's vice versa. Come on, stop with this bs, Disney/Pixar and other guys! Just WRITE a character, don't pander to what's popular 🤦🏻♀️
And yeah, did they forgot Bo is STILL made of porcelain and all this jumping and stuff should just really break her in pieces cause it's not only fragile, but also pretty heavy and breaks easily. Man.
They did the same shit with Wreck it Ralph 2. I loved the princess scenes, but I hated how they threw away a lot of the plot points of the first movie. "NEVER GO TURBO! -- oh wait you want to join this other game forever? SURE go ahead" DID WE FORGET THAT SHE IS A GLITCH AND THEREFORE CANNOT LEAVE HER GAME?! (yes, she can still glitch)...and if resetting the game somehow changed that fact then they should have explained that to US! and they turned Ralph into a big man-baby who acted like he couldn't survive without Vanelope even though he had lots of new friends now and everyone accepts him and doesn't treat him differently for being the villain. Vanelope was actually pretty selfish in the film but that's my opinion. Ralph made all those videos to save her game and then she's just "Aight I'ma head out" I hate how they are ruining sequels lately... they do the same thing to both Ralph and Woody... make them seem like insecure losers while the female is the strong empowered one. Why not BOTH? Vanelope went from a character I truly loved in the first film to a little brat I wanted to slap in the second one
I kept waiting on the suspenseful moment where you’re thinking the toys won’t make it and they somehow find a way, 1 had Woody and Buzz trying to catch the moving van. 2 had Woody catching up to the plane to save Jessie and Bullseye. 3 had the Incinerator. Just never happened with 4. Nothing happened. All previous 3 had better antagonists, Sid, Pete, and Lotso were good antagonists. Can’t even count Gabby as an antagonist. She got what she wanted, converted fast and got a happy ending. Lame
@@adampkalb those exsist, they were enjoyable and wholesome❤ I love watching Toy Story that time Forgot, trixie and that battlesaur were so damn cute together
Sir Friendship, it’s funny how Lotso really is right about everything in Toy Story 3 because if you watch Toy Story 3 and 4 right back to back with each other it almost seems like they’re completely different movies.
I feel like Frozen 2 had the same problem... of course it had many things wrong with it like not making really any sense. And not a good ending that just comes out of nowhere. I hated this ending with Woody going off with Bo Peep and ditching Bonnie. I thought toys are never supposed to give up on their owners, not throw that out the window for an an ex-girlfriend. :/
I preferred the third one. The fourth smelled like Disney pressured them to write it at the zombie-like insistence of Bo Peep fans. Also, the lost toy shtick flies right in the face of the other films. Like, what's Woody gonna do now? What if he finds a home? What about all the people who aren't kids and love toys? Hell, even the animation seems plastic-y, where the other three films seemed story-wise and animation-wise natural as a reflection and evolution of the nature of what a toy would be like if it were to come alive. Plus, Woody's motivations were never *this* obviously hammered into your brain, they were subtly woven around the story. Hell, the ending's even worse considering the New Bo's shrill putdowns of Woody--he'll be stuck with *that* forever as opposed to just waiting for Bonnie to realistically cycle back into liking him, as kids do. Toy Story 4 flimsily glues its marketing gimmick together by having Woody turn into an Uncanny Valley pullstring doll with one new phrase, *"WE GOTTA GET FORKY BACK TO BONNIE!"*
Eat At Joe's Yea! And in this film woody didn’t even get his own opinion Woody would fight back if he herd is voice box was removed he would of found another way And Bo peep sucked. The didn’t need her at all really she was a blank slate and so was her sidekick “GiggleMCdimles” of whatever And the main cast was just useless sitting in a van while Bonnie was upset because her fork was missing. This movie was a garbage truck and can go burn in a incinerator for all I care!
chloe anderson Gabby Gabby is not a monster; she’s just another toy like Woody desperate for the affection of a child. As someone who knew the love of Andy and lost it, Woody understands her pain and willingly gives up his voicebox to Gabby Gabby.
@@nickgadson266 Umm YES she did lmao have you watched the movie? What does your comment prove? She used that to manipulate him. Literally just watch the scene
What bothers me is that in 1-3 Bo's skirt is CLEARLY made of solid porcelain like the rest of her. But suddenly in 4 it's made of fabric? Why would you make a porcelain lamp with essentially a doll on it then sew clothes for it? It doesn't make sense as a real life object.
You didn't touch another pink elephant in the movie: the voice box of Woody, given to Gaddy Gaddy via her manipulation of his emotions, she finally gets what she wants at the end but at what cost? The end justifies the means? Kids will understand that they can get what they want manipulating others feelings? It felt so backwards to me from Pixar. Also I loved the movie, it was fantastic for a movie on it's own, but really weak as a Toy Story movie. Great video also, nice analysis as always.
Lots of excellent points. Love how you explained Woody and Bo's personalities actually complimented each other in the first film and their chemistry was believable. I wouldn't have been able to express how that was missing from their dynamic in 4 but I definitely felt it and how it made their interactions seem contrived. Thank you.
RIGHT! I know she likes 5 years old or something, but still, Bonnie was despicable in Toy Story 4. Toy Story 3 showed she was just as capable as looking after the toys as Andy and showed a genuine love for them. Now I get she can't play with Woody every minute, but it like she goes out of her way to exclude Woody in particular, the one toy Andy stressed she should take the most pride in looking after. Like, for example, in Toy Story 1, Andy cared more for Buzz at the time, but when Woody went missing he noticed. I feel Bonnie would never realise Woody gone. WHAT IF ANDY COMES BACK AND SEE YOU LOST HIS FAVORITE TOY! ITS OBSCENE!
Bonnie was completely out of character in TS4. Previously she was a sweet, shy girl that took care of her toys. TS4 turned Bonnie into an unbearable brat that cries over a suicidal spork and whose only interaction with Woody was removing his Sheriff star to give it to Jessie just because.
You perfectly explained my issues with Bo Peep's character development. I always liked her character, in fact, I found her a bit relatable in how demure she was- and I really did miss her in Toy Story 3. But seeing her again in Toy Story 4, the first thing I thought of when I saw her in action was, "This is to please hardcore feminists is it?" Everywhere I go, women characters now have to be just as strong as men to prove that they are not dependent on anybody and yeah, I get the message and it is nice to have, but with Bo Peep it felt forced. I agree that if they at least kept her former personality in the flashback and then changed it, it could've been understandable, but don't pretend she was always that inventive and assertive.
I think it is rude to say, as a film maker, all female characters have to be strong/be like a man, that is as bad as every female character has to be a demsil in distress. Why not have Jessy as the strong "boyish girl and Bo Peep as the" girly" girl? Bo Peep could be strong in her own way, not by action/physics but in mind. To have a strong mindset, to be caring even when it is maybe tough (for example caring and understanding the shop puppet). That would be also a strong female character but different from Jessy.
It's not the fact that she's hardcore, it's the fact that she has no real personality flaws. Jesse is as hardcore, but has faults like her abandonment issues and her Claustrophobia.
The sad part is that Bo peep didn't have to be like how she is in Toy Story 4 to make her more kickass. They could have kept her personality and just add some nonchalance towards children's attention.
I wish Toy Story 4 never happened, TS3 has the perfect ending for the characters that left us to imagine all the fun adventures they'd have with the new owner, but TS4 takes a dump on that ending by having the new kid discard Woody and him running away abandoning his friends with barely a goodbye.
You don't have to watch the film you know. I didn't watch it when it was in cinemas and I won't watch it on DVD. TS 3 is the true ending. Just ignore this film.
Toy Story 2 had a much better ending. Toy Story 3 ruins it by introducing a new kid and having the toys again obsessed with having an owner instead of being happy with each other, which was the entire point of 2.
ANDY: (Returns From College) Where’s Woody? BONNIE: I replaced him with a spork! ANDY: So you’re saying that my childhood toy that helped me when I was a kid, and I trusted you to take care of, was replace by a used plastic spork?!?!? BONNIE: Yep. I love Forky! ANDY: >:*(
I was looking forward to reuniting with Bo Peep so much when I heard there was a Toy Story 4 being made, because I had really missed her and been worried about her when learning that she had been separated from the gang for years in Toy Story 3. She was such a sweet, caring character and it devastated me to think of her being taken away from Woody forever. Then I saw Toy Story 4 and... it wasn't my Bo. In place of a sweet gentle shepherdess there was now some cynical jaded stranger with the world's biggest chip on her shoulder. Instead of her presence being comforting and happy like it was in my childhood, now being around her on screen made me feel tense and on edge, like she could say something mean and cutting at any moment. And the way she interacted with Woody, it left me with the sense of bewildered hurt and confusion of bumping into a long-lost friend you've not seen in years only to find that they're no longer the person you knew and loved at all. And then the biggest thing that broke my heart in two - Woody and Buzz and the gang going their separate ways forever, after all they've been through. What about being in this together to infinity and beyond? Didn't all of them together have more meaning than that? Were they really just going to part with a "cheerio!" like work colleagues? And what about the whole message of Toy Story 2, that going and having shiny new adventures is nothing compared to being loved by a kid, fleeting as it is? When I left Toy Story 3, I was in tears from a beautiful and poignant ending. As I sat there at the end of Toy Story 4, I was in tears of disappointment and, strangely, grief. I couldn't put my finger on it, but it felt like something I knew and loved was dead.
Blame the feminazis, dahling. They've been ruining every children's movie, tv show and video game for some time with their blatant attempts at social engineering.
"And the way she interacted with Woody, it left me with the sense of bewildered hurt and confusion of bumping into a long-lost friend you've not seen in years only to find that they're no longer the person you knew and loved at all." I would be unsuprised if that was the vibe they were going for.
I have to say, I did not care for Woody leaving the group. His decision just made me irationally pissed off rather than sad, because *Woody WOULD NEVER DO THAT!*
@@FraserSouris ...? Sorry mate. I was not putting forth any arguments regarding decisions making sense. Why would I? After all, either decision would 'make sense.'
I saw Toy Story 4 on my 21st birthday. The only reason why I was excited to see Toy Story 4 (or at least I tried to be since I was worried TS4 would be nearly, if not quite the cash-grab it is,) is because I was just so impressed how great the Toy Story series was, and keep in mind, it was more than a duology since 2010 (the year and decade)! And when I saw it, I’m glad I’m reminded to never see it again.
@@kieranstark7213 yeah I saw it and I was so emotion because of my expectations and then at the end I was so confused and annoyed. I didn't like the movie at all
The internal inconsistencies can be blamed on the fact that the movie had no less than eight *_(8)_* story writers, two of whom also functioned as the screenwriters. With eight writers, there are bound to be problems. As the saying goes, "Too many cooks spoil the broth."
4:11 That line from Woody hurts more than any line in the series, especially considering that Toy Story 2 is like my favorite movie. Toy Story 4 retroactively hurts the other movies in the series, and it is honestly painful to consider it cannonical.
@@tizyman7120 How does that make me "nostalgic"? If anything, it's you guys who would be considered "over-nostalgic" because you can't let go that Woody got character development
To be honest, Toy Story 3 was not needed. I felt like you could have made the ending a standalone short film. The rest of the movie was HEAVILY flawed and was nowhere near as good as TS or TS2.
The thing about Woody's character arc in this movie, that is that he realises there is more to life than being played with and takes on the role as a helper of toys, is that the arc works in this movie, but not in this franchise. The whole trilogy has been about a toy staying loyal to their owner, no matter what, and then letting another kid also have the same possibility in the end. Toy Story 2 is like a reverse-Toy Story 4. Woody is neglected and shelved by his kid, but in the end, realises he must stay loyal to Andy cause that what a toy has to do. This sees Woody unlearn that. Super contradicting, very much an inconsistency.
@@Anthonycheesman33 Ironically, that is the point. 3, while being a copy of 2, atleast knew their audience were grown up now. 4 was even further and now it is dumb.
@@Anthonycheesman33 Yeah. Of course I went in with the expectation "It will be original". It still sucked. Remember the "Gamer girl pee" meme? It was original when it existed. But would you still consider the pee better because it was original?
The emotionally satisfying and beautiful ending to Toy Story 3 "perfectly" capped Pixar's trilogy, according to Toy Story 4 director Josh Cooley. However, the folks at Pixar knew they had one more story to tell when it came to Woody. At a Pixar screening event, Cooley joined producers Jonas Rivera and Mark Neilsen to explain why it was so important to revisit the world of Woody, Buzz, and the rest of Andy's toys. “We love the end of Toy Story 3," Cooley. "It ends Woody and Andy's story perfectly. We realized there is more story to tell to continue Woody's story. And once we started going down the path… we hit upon something that was worth telling." Under the Andy regime, Woody was always the head organizer and leader of the other toys. He was Andy’s favorite, the chosen one who got to go on trips to Pizza Planet and develop the closest bond with the boy of the house. But at Bonnie’s place, things are different. Dolly, the purple-haired rag doll who’s got seniority on Woody in this new workplace of sorts, assumes the authority-figure role among the toys. In Toy Story 4, Woody struggles in his new life with Bonnie. He has her name on his boot, but not her heart. When Bonnie wants to play, she often leaves Woody behind on the floor of her closet. She even takes Woody’s sheriff badge and pins it on Jessie instead. It becomes clear that Bonnie doesn’t have much use for Woody anymore. Woody can't help comparing his new owner to his previous kid, and soon realizes that Bonnie doesn't seem to need him the way Andy did. Bonnie never had a true relationship with Woody. 1. Woody, a cowboy, is designed more for males than females. 2. Bonnie’s a child in the 21st century, and Woody is a doll made in the ‘50s. That was revealed in Toy Story 2 as the Woody’s Roundup show was in black and white. Bonnie was just changing her tastes and having her attention diverted somewhere else. She’s not a bad person for that. Even so, Woody is determined to do his part. So when it’s time for kindergarten orientation, he sneaks into Bonnie’s backpack, insistent that he must go with her because she’ll need a friend in this unfamiliar environment, even though Bonnie has made it clear that if she needed a friend, she probably wouldn’t choose Woody. All the other toys beg him not to go. He does it anyway. I realize this is a Disney-Pixar movie. But watching Woody’s insistence on inserting himself into a situation where he’s no longer needed made me think: it’s representing a real-life phenomenon in which older men refuse to step aside so that a new generation can step up, take charge, and prove that they are capable of running the show as well as capitalizing on opportunities and benefits that older men have enjoyed for decades. It also marks a shift in the point of view of the Toy Story movies. Bonnie trying to survive by herself can be struggling by adapting to slightly more advanced environments. Everyone has that certain something they need to help them through tough times. All your toys are trash. If they’re not in the garbage yet, they will be soon. Yes, even your most precious early aughts era McFarlane Toys Jason X Movie Maniac figure. I’m impressed that you’ve kept a hold of it for this long, but sooner or later you’re going to turn your back, and your mom, dad, brother, sister, wife, husband, father-time, peer-pressure, whatever will chuck it in the dustbin. Society tells us that we have to grow up, and even the Toy Story trilogy finished with the ultimate joy-killer of adulthood ruining Andy’s imagination by steering his plastic friends into the arms of the still-willfully creative child Bonnie. She’ll love them for now, but she’ll grow out of it, too. Kids lose interest in their toys someday. It’s totally normal. Jessie’s heartbreaking “When She Loved Me” in Toy Story 2 is proof. If the first Toy Story was asking “What if toys were alive?", Toy Story 2 "What happens to toys when we grow up?" and Toy Story 3 the same but in a more concrete manner, then Toy Story 4 is stepping away to get to the core. It's asking, plainly, "What is a toy anyway?" That's in the discussion from the opening sequence where Woody is torn between his own interests and duty to Andy, and pushed to the fore by Forky's creation via affection. Up until this movie, it was simple. Per Buzz recounting what he learned from Woody in Toy Story 2, "life's only worth living if you're bein' loved by a kid." But what does that say about life when a child grows up, or when you're left in the closet in favor of others? How can idealism really hold up to the real world? What Toy Story 4 finds is a less direct form of love. It's not just about a singular, personal relationship but the grand web of life one can find themselves in. And, of course, while Toy Story is ostensibly asking questions about the nature of toys in fictional confines, it's really going much deeper than that. The entire series is dealing with heady questions of human existence - of being replaced, of being broken, of loss - and since Toy Story 2 and Jessie's heartbreaking "When She Loved Me", it's been more directly addressing the constant fear and awareness of the inevitable end (how morbid you want to take that is up to you)
Martyn, I hear ya. After watching Toy Story 4 and seeing the trailers for Onward, I've decided that the whole Pixar model of a grand adventure/road trip movie that also tugs at your heartstrings is bland now. It's like as long as they make us feel feelings, they think their job is done.
Robert Brookes 3 was the oddball of the franchise. 1, 2 and 4 are the ones that are connected through story and Woody’s arc. 3 was basically just a prison break movie, it wasn’t bad, but it wasn’t as amazing as 1 or 2, and 4 through story and Woody’s arc.
It's funny how the franchise started with inanimate, empty eyed plastic dolls going through genuinely human and multifaceted character arcs, to the point where you stop thinking of them as mere toys, and ends with a movie that feels distinctly plastic in all respects, stripping all characters down to their basic marketable qualities, and looks so realistic the characters all have an uncanny valley affect to them, somehow ending up as the least visually and thematically satisfying movie of all of them.
It's dramatic irony that breaks Pixar's own rules of storytelling. Like the heavy emphasis on family and friendship present throughout 1-3, only for 4 to have Bonnie throw Woody out and get obsessed over Forky, and Woody ending up leaving the gang for Bo Peep despite Buzz rescuing him for Andy in the second. Not to mention all three of them, on a meta level, would be exactly what a toy would go through if it were granted sentience: 1. Toy gets envious of new toy owner gets, wants to get rid of it but ends up being friends with it later on. 2. Toy realizes it isn't a single toy, part of a lineup of discontinued toys, has to decide whether to stay with those toys or stay with owner's. Chooses third option. 3. Toy realizes owner grows up, can't play with it forever, goes to daycare, the daycare is Toy Hell, gets found by little kid and so the toy wants to stay with it and bring along buddies. The fourth one is so much of a weird marketing stunt to make *TOY STORY CHARACTER UNBOXING/MERCH EGG OPENING* videos on TH-cam so the franchise can stay relevant in the public consciousness that it hurts. Like, I'm entirely convinced that's why they made another movie. Nothing can die anymore, so they have to pump out another Toy Story with the flimsy justification of answering where the fuck Bo Peep went in 20 years.
@@Anthonycheesman33 Gabby gabby was a complete waste of a character. The way she is written is cheap and her only real purpose in the story is to extend its length. If she had been written with any kind of consistency then either the beginning would make no sense or the ending would make no sense; take your pick. That's because her actions and motivations as a character come second to the plot. Because she has basically no character, she's just a plot contrivance, an obstacle to make the movie last longer and tries to justify her screen time by begging for audience sympathy through the lens of her abandonment issues. It's basically the same villain, again, for the third time in a row and it's getting old. By the end of the movie, it's almost impossible to imagine why people are so frightened of her. She never really does anything all that bad and what she does do as an antagonist seem completely at odds with her personality by the time they get around to establishing her as a character. Once the movie's blatant manipulation subsides, what you're left with is a story stuck, spinning its wheels for 40 minutes. The Prospector in Toy Story 2 is everything Gabby is, only with much better writing.
When I first saw the trailers for Toy Story 4, my initial thought was. "They're making another one!?" and then followed by "What the heck are they going to do this time?" Easy: They're going to tarnish and ruin every character they want to focus on- that's how.
@@iceetheskater6052 Toy Story of Terror was so beautiful and hilarious that I actually enjoy it over TS3 (and it's MILES above TS4). In addition to Jessie's beautiful display of family love to Woody (I'm 90% sure they're siblings), they took the comedy to a whole new level (although the hand signals joke was kind of lame). I could easily have watched that for another hour or two. I would have loved to have seen Woody's reaction when he realized Jessie willingly got INTO A BOX to save him! That must have been the most emotional hug they ever had. Toy Story that Time Forgot wasn't too shabby either.
The Toy Story trilogy is my favorite trilogy ever and it sucks that this cash-grab ruined the franchises' reputation as a whole. All the complaints you brought up were mine own as well but they bothered me more and some complaints I had that you didn't mention: The setting was mostly just at the carnival and it got kind of stale and boring to see the same set for a good chunk of the film The farewell scene felt rushed and should've better longer for what they were going for The film brings up what a toy actually is which is interesting but quickly discards it and forgets about it Why does Bonnie stop playing with Woody and ONLY Woody It's unrealistic for Woody to conventionally find Bo Peep at this one carnival and see her at this one specific time Woody has been unplayed with for only a few months, meanwhile he continued to get Andy's attention for years after he grew up Bonnie actually brings Woody along on the road trip with er, so that shows that she still somewhat cares for him The old cast of characters is a big middle finger to the fans since they all do absolutely nothing except sit in an RV for the entire time The new characters are at best whatever, honestly couldn't stand Bunny and Ducky for most of the film Randy Newman has one new song and its just decent but forgettable, plus they reuse a bunch of music from the old films Forky jumping into a trash can gets old after the fourth time and is just infuriating when he does it the 20th or so time This movie was just bad, not even a passable or good film, and its really bad for Pixar standards 4/10
The emotionally satisfying and beautiful ending to Toy Story 3 "perfectly" capped Pixar's trilogy, according to Toy Story 4 director Josh Cooley. However, the folks at Pixar knew they had one more story to tell when it came to Woody. At a Pixar screening event, Cooley joined producers Jonas Rivera and Mark Neilsen to explain why it was so important to revisit the world of Woody, Buzz, and the rest of Andy's toys. “We love the end of Toy Story 3," Cooley. "It ends Woody and Andy's story perfectly. We realized there is more story to tell to continue Woody's story. And once we started going down the path… we hit upon something that was worth telling." Under the Andy regime, Woody was always the head organizer and leader of the other toys. He was Andy’s favorite, the chosen one who got to go on trips to Pizza Planet and develop the closest bond with the boy of the house. But at Bonnie’s place, things are different. Dolly, the purple-haired rag doll who’s got seniority on Woody in this new workplace of sorts, assumes the authority-figure role among the toys. In Toy Story 4, Woody struggles in his new life with Bonnie. He has her name on his boot, but not her heart. When Bonnie wants to play, she often leaves Woody behind on the floor of her closet. She even takes Woody’s sheriff badge and pins it on Jessie instead. It becomes clear that Bonnie doesn’t have much use for Woody anymore. Woody can't help comparing his new owner to his previous kid, and soon realizes that Bonnie doesn't seem to need him the way Andy did. Bonnie never had a true relationship with Woody. 1. Woody, a cowboy, is designed more for males than females. 2. Bonnie’s a child in the 21st century, and Woody is a doll made in the ‘50s. That was revealed in Toy Story 2 as the Woody’s Roundup show was in black and white. Bonnie was just changing her tastes and having her attention diverted somewhere else. She’s not a bad person for that. Even so, Woody is determined to do his part. So when it’s time for kindergarten orientation, he sneaks into Bonnie’s backpack, insistent that he must go with her because she’ll need a friend in this unfamiliar environment, even though Bonnie has made it clear that if she needed a friend, she probably wouldn’t choose Woody. All the other toys beg him not to go. He does it anyway. I realize this is a Disney-Pixar movie. But watching Woody’s insistence on inserting himself into a situation where he’s no longer needed made me think: it’s representing a real-life phenomenon in which older men refuse to step aside so that a new generation can step up, take charge, and prove that they are capable of running the show as well as capitalizing on opportunities and benefits that older men have enjoyed for decades. It also marks a shift in the point of view of the Toy Story movies. Bonnie trying to survive by herself can be struggling by adapting to slightly more advanced environments. Everyone has that certain something they need to help them through tough times. All your toys are trash. If they’re not in the garbage yet, they will be soon. Yes, even your most precious early aughts era McFarlane Toys Jason X Movie Maniac figure. I’m impressed that you’ve kept a hold of it for this long, but sooner or later you’re going to turn your back, and your mom, dad, brother, sister, wife, husband, father-time, peer-pressure, whatever will chuck it in the dustbin. Society tells us that we have to grow up, and even the Toy Story trilogy finished with the ultimate joy-killer of adulthood ruining Andy’s imagination by steering his plastic friends into the arms of the still-willfully creative child Bonnie. She’ll love them for now, but she’ll grow out of it, too. Kids lose interest in their toys someday. It’s totally normal. Jessie’s heartbreaking “When She Loved Me” in Toy Story 2 is proof. If the first Toy Story was asking “What if toys were alive?", Toy Story 2 "What happens to toys when we grow up?" and Toy Story 3 the same but in a more concrete manner, then Toy Story 4 is stepping away to get to the core. It's asking, plainly, "What is a toy anyway?" That's in the discussion from the opening sequence where Woody is torn between his own interests and duty to Andy, and pushed to the fore by Forky's creation via affection. Up until this movie, it was simple. Per Buzz recounting what he learned from Woody in Toy Story 2, "life's only worth living if you're bein' loved by a kid." But what does that say about life when a child grows up, or when you're left in the closet in favor of others? How can idealism really hold up to the real world? What Toy Story 4 finds is a less direct form of love. It's not just about a singular, personal relationship but the grand web of life one can find themselves in. And, of course, while Toy Story is ostensibly asking questions about the nature of toys in fictional confines, it's really going much deeper than that. The entire series is dealing with heady questions of human existence - of being replaced, of being broken, of loss - and since Toy Story 2 and Jessie's heartbreaking "When She Loved Me", it's been more directly addressing the constant fear and awareness of the inevitable end (how morbid you want to take that is up to you)
*The farewell scene felt rushed and should've better longer for what they were going for* I wished it was longer too, non-less, it hurt deeply. *Why does Bonnie stop playing with Woody and ONLY Woody* She is a girl, she prefers girl toys, therefore her preference for Jessy, the gang were animals and as for Buzz he has wings, light and buttons, even Andy lost interest in Woody compared to Buzz *It's unrealistic for Woody to conventionally to...* I mean, it was also unrealistic for a toy collector to find THE toy he was looking for at the exact time Woody was out, you won't question that? *Woody has been unplayed with for only a few months, meanwhile he continued to get Andy's attention for years* *after he grew up* He was unplayed for about a week I think? I remember the other toys making fun of how that was the third time that week, I did not get the second part *Bonnie actually brings Woody along on the road trip with er, so that shows that she still somewhat cares for him* Woody just was not played for a few days so... *The old cast of characters is a big middle finger to the fans since they all do absolutely nothing* Agree, it would be better if the movie was advertised as a Woody's movie *Forky jumping into a trash can gets old after the fourth time and is just infuriating when he does it the 20th..* Agree, they could have handle that better
Cloverfr I think that the original characters hogged the spotlight for long enough in the first three films. If you’re gonna make a new movie, you should introduce new characters. Woody, Buzz, Rex, Hamm, Bullseye and Slinky aren’t the only ones with stories. And also: BONNIE IS NOT ANDY. People have many different tastes in things.
@@ForrestFox626 Bonnie thought Woody was a new toy, she didn't know he belonged to Andy and he had already been played with before. This is why she got upset when Andy hesitated to give Woody to her because she thought that was her toy. So of course he was going to get all the attention at first but now that Bonnie has all of Andy's other toys, Woody isn't going to get as much playtime like he used to.
I felt like someone digged out a hole inside of me and just left it when I finished the movie I was just angry, like why would you manipulate me with my memories and then spit on it? WHY?
The emotionally satisfying and beautiful ending to Toy Story 3 "perfectly" capped Pixar's trilogy, according to Toy Story 4 director Josh Cooley. However, the folks at Pixar knew they had one more story to tell when it came to Woody. At a Pixar screening event, Cooley joined producers Jonas Rivera and Mark Neilsen to explain why it was so important to revisit the world of Woody, Buzz, and the rest of Andy's toys. “We love the end of Toy Story 3," Cooley. "It ends Woody and Andy's story perfectly. We realized there is more story to tell to continue Woody's story. And once we started going down the path… we hit upon something that was worth telling." Under the Andy regime, Woody was always the head organizer and leader of the other toys. He was Andy’s favorite, the chosen one who got to go on trips to Pizza Planet and develop the closest bond with the boy of the house. But at Bonnie’s place, things are different. Dolly, the purple-haired rag doll who’s got seniority on Woody in this new workplace of sorts, assumes the authority-figure role among the toys. In Toy Story 4, Woody struggles in his new life with Bonnie. He has her name on his boot, but not her heart. When Bonnie wants to play, she often leaves Woody behind on the floor of her closet. She even takes Woody’s sheriff badge and pins it on Jessie instead. It becomes clear that Bonnie doesn’t have much use for Woody anymore. Woody can't help comparing his new owner to his previous kid, and soon realizes that Bonnie doesn't seem to need him the way Andy did. Bonnie never had a true relationship with Woody. 1. Woody, a cowboy, is designed more for males than females. 2. Bonnie’s a child in the 21st century, and Woody is a doll made in the ‘50s. That was revealed in Toy Story 2 as the Woody’s Roundup show was in black and white. Bonnie was just changing her tastes and having her attention diverted somewhere else. She’s not a bad person for that. Even so, Woody is determined to do his part. So when it’s time for kindergarten orientation, he sneaks into Bonnie’s backpack, insistent that he must go with her because she’ll need a friend in this unfamiliar environment, even though Bonnie has made it clear that if she needed a friend, she probably wouldn’t choose Woody. All the other toys beg him not to go. He does it anyway. I realize this is a Disney-Pixar movie. But watching Woody’s insistence on inserting himself into a situation where he’s no longer needed made me think: it’s representing a real-life phenomenon in which older men refuse to step aside so that a new generation can step up, take charge, and prove that they are capable of running the show as well as capitalizing on opportunities and benefits that older men have enjoyed for decades. It also marks a shift in the point of view of the Toy Story movies. Bonnie trying to survive by herself can be struggling by adapting to slightly more advanced environments. Everyone has that certain something they need to help them through tough times. All your toys are trash. If they’re not in the garbage yet, they will be soon. Yes, even your most precious early aughts era McFarlane Toys Jason X Movie Maniac figure. I’m impressed that you’ve kept a hold of it for this long, but sooner or later you’re going to turn your back, and your mom, dad, brother, sister, wife, husband, father-time, peer-pressure, whatever will chuck it in the dustbin. Society tells us that we have to grow up, and even the Toy Story trilogy finished with the ultimate joy-killer of adulthood ruining Andy’s imagination by steering his plastic friends into the arms of the still-willfully creative child Bonnie. She’ll love them for now, but she’ll grow out of it, too. Kids lose interest in their toys someday. It’s totally normal. Jessie’s heartbreaking “When She Loved Me” in Toy Story 2 is proof. If the first Toy Story was asking “What if toys were alive?", Toy Story 2 "What happens to toys when we grow up?" and Toy Story 3 the same but in a more concrete manner, then Toy Story 4 is stepping away to get to the core. It's asking, plainly, "What is a toy anyway?" That's in the discussion from the opening sequence where Woody is torn between his own interests and duty to Andy, and pushed to the fore by Forky's creation via affection. Up until this movie, it was simple. Per Buzz recounting what he learned from Woody in Toy Story 2, "life's only worth living if you're bein' loved by a kid." But what does that say about life when a child grows up, or when you're left in the closet in favor of others? How can idealism really hold up to the real world? What Toy Story 4 finds is a less direct form of love. It's not just about a singular, personal relationship but the grand web of life one can find themselves in. And, of course, while Toy Story is ostensibly asking questions about the nature of toys in fictional confines, it's really going much deeper than that. The entire series is dealing with heady questions of human existence - of being replaced, of being broken, of loss - and since Toy Story 2 and Jessie's heartbreaking "When She Loved Me", it's been more directly addressing the constant fear and awareness of the inevitable end (how morbid you want to take that is up to you)
Toy Story 4 was unneeded but not necessarily bad. Besides money, I think their goal was to introduce a new generation of kids to the Toy Story franchise. That’s why they sidelined characters who kids couldn’t relate to like Jesse, Rex, etc. They did tarnish Woody’s character by making him leave Bonnie because he isn’t played with. I also think it didn’t feel like a Toy Story 4 with the cutaway gags and all the weird stuff. It also kind of cut off Woodys character development at the end of 3 when he’s over Andy and let’s him go. But in 4, Woody references Andy a numerous amount of times which was kind of weird. It wasn’t necessarily bad, it just wasn’t needed.
Its like if they made a Back to the Future 4, and at the end Doc decides to leave his wife and kids in the old West and help other scientists build time machines.
Incredibles 1 : wife : Don't do hero stuff it was bad, Husband : Do hero stuff, quarrels happens, Incredibles 2 : Wife : Don't do hero stuff it was bad, Wife : Do Hero Stuff, No quarrels whatsoever Wreck it Raplh : Don't jump games, embrace who you are no matter what others says. Ralph breaks the internet : Reject who you are, be free, Jumping game is a must. what's with this moronic sense of freedom this movies preaches about? And yeah all the male main characters were massively downgraded and regressed for no apparent reason.
@@aivreescend7945 @hindu_frappe The only one regressed was Buzz (and it seemed like it was for comedy purposes, but because they wanted to make him a weak beta like your "woke" behind is whining about). Also, Woody wasn't downgraded. His arc was about trying to find a purpose, after he realizes that Bonnie doesn't treat him the same as Andy. Also, Toy Story 4's message wasn't "forget your owners, they don't matter". Woody wanted Bonnie to matter, but he had to find a different place in the world, because he knew that Bonnie wouldn't be able to fill the hole that Andy life. You could literally simply anything. Me: "Syndrome is a spoiled kid who kills people because he has hero issues". See? If you think Toy Story 4 is about "women power men stupid", then you're just looking for a way to complain about non-existence agenda in a movie. Grow up. As for the take on the Incredibles 1, that movie had Mr. Incredible going behind his wife's back, which got him in trouble. The sequel has them coming to a *mutual agreement* about Elasticgirl going on missions. And don't forget that there was a quarrel about crime fighting and going back into being a superhero right after they fought the Underminer. There was even that intense dinner scene, *and* that scene where Mr. Incredible and Elastic talk about how they're afraid of going back into fighting, because they want to think about kids first. So there was definitely some quarreling going on. I'm sorry, but did you even watch the movie?
15:20 Woody never attempted to kill Buzz, he just wanted to pull a prank on him, so that Andy would pic him for Pizza Planet but it backfired horribly.
Lets make something absolutely clear. You NEVER make a side character a main character in a sequel. Even as the other toys made it out of "side characters" and into "secondary characters" from TS1 to TS2 and TS3, Bo Peep was always a D-tier side character.
It depends if the side character can hold theirselves well being a protagonist in a movie. Though unfortunately most do not, and judging Bo's character, it would not have worked as a main character, which is probably the biggest reason they changed Bo into an entirely different character
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My issue with 4 was that they benched most of the characters for the whole movie. Jessie and the rest sat in the van the whole time.
Don Rickles only had _3_ lines for Mr Potato Head before his death!
I think they wanted to focus more screen time on the new characters (Forky, Gabby Gabby, Duke), but yeah I don't think I packed 20 toys for a short road trip
They did have something to do, Jessie popped one of the tires in the van which prevented Bonnie and her parents from leaving the carnival. Trixie acted like the voice on the GPS and they fucked with the brakes on the van to stop them from leaving which got Bonnie's dad in trouble with the cops so they weren't completely useless.
At least now we can understand why Woody's Roundup got cancelled ;)
I love toy story 4, but it would’ve been really fitting if this movie was a Woody spinoff and not an actual addition to the franchise. Great movie, but doesn’t really belong next to 1-3 because it’s more of Woody’s story
Bonnie: *brings like 15 toys to trip*
Also Bonnie: *Doesn’t even play with them, but worries about a plastic fork*
Yoyo Jeongyeon LEGIT
Shoot, at that age, I'd be panicking like a maniac and likely cry when even a single toy is gone.
When I was that age I would just look for other toy I had, unless it was like something that I really cared about but idk that was a plastic fork, I never got that attached to a craft thingy I made, sometimes I would just throw it to the trash
this is what happens when parents don't intervene when your children's only friends are their toys. they get irrationally emotionally attatched to a piece of trash instead of talking to other kids in their class
It’s called a spork dipshit
my problems with toy story 4
1. completely unnecessary considering how 3 ended
2. buzz's character was dumbed down way too much
3. made bonnie really unlikable
Like she didnt even kept the promise she gave to Andy and didnt gave a fuck about Woody like he didn't even exict
@@Dexter-z2g yeah, I understand she's a kid and they forget things or lose interest in things really fast but considering how Bonnie was in toy story 3 and even the shorts that released afterwards I find it very unlikely she'd lose interest in woody after about a year
@@vanguardplays3418 yes imagine Andy visits Bonny and says where is Woody?In the next day it will be in news that someone killed a little girl😂🤣🤣😂
@@vanguardplays3418 i like that Woody was the ultimate simp in the movie he left back his budie Buz ,the girl he was with the entire time (Jesse)and everyone he knew since all time just for a doll that did him everything she want and made him do bad decisions with 3 sheep😑What do you say?
@@Dexter-z2g she’s also six lol
Toy story 5:
Andy coming back
Andy: "hey bonnie. Wheres my toys?"
Bonnie:"right here"
Andy:" and where is woody?"
Bonnie:😳
I would definitely watch it if it was a scene.
Woody: *walks to Andy Davis, Sid’s sister Hannah Phillips, their child and Bonnie Anderson* Yes, toys are alive. What about it?
Sid: I saw it with my own eyes!
Hannah: Ah, those were the times.
@@kieranstark7213 Sid's young adulthood is sad. Before was a garbage man in TS3 lost his job and now in an intensive care psych ward diagnosed with severe schizophrenia and PTSD
Keeps going on about "talking toys" and has severe melt downs whenever he sees toys and even cowboy stuff..
Mugaka Murakumo I may sound crazy but I want to see Sid have a mental breakdown at the sight of Red Dead Redemption 2
potatoduck052
*Old Town Road plays*
Sid: *mental breakdown*
They dumbed down Buzz quite a bit
I know right
@Gorilla G Rockson yeah I was like why did they do that
You are talking about the same toy who thought he was an actual astronaut in the first and third film?
TBH my main problem with Toy Story 3 was that it underplayed Buzz’s friendship with Woody so much that Buzz didn’t seem like Woody’s friend at all in that movie; he literally never takes Woody’s side during any of his arguments with the rest of Andy’s toys. When Woody wants to leave Sunnyside, he doesn’t even try to stop him; the only one who does is Bullseye. When Buzz reaches out to Woody at the incinerator at the end, it’s a moment that completely relies on having watched the first two Toy Story films, because in TS3 Woody if anything seems closer to Slinky than Buzz. For all the flaws of TS4, at least Buzz has gone back to being Woody’s best friend and he is actually there for him; he hasn’t forgotten the whole point of the first two films. But yeah, the whole “Inner voice” thing is bullshit and not even particularly funny.
Mother may I Have some Bleach? They did the same thing to bob in incredibles two and Ralph in wreck in Ralph 2
Woody: "Besides, if it all ends, I still have ol' Buzz Lightyear to keep me company. To Infinity and Beyond."
Also Woody: *leaves the entire group behind and goes with Bo Peep*
He ignored the ‘Bros Over Hoes’ mantra....although Bo is pretty thicc ngl
Oof, he's simping
How dare he break the bro code for his not worth it ex?
@@sullivans2004 bro she’s a toy...
@@mattgassenheimer I've seen people thirst over weirder shit, like fr the other day on Twitter I saw somebody say they wanted to bang Lightning McQueen's girlfriend, Sally, from Cars...... *shivers*
Toy Story 4 had a good animation and all, but it doesn't feel memorable at all. Like you said, there were barely any stakes, characters seemed so out of character or pandering to a modern audience, and TS3 already ended on such a perfect note.
TayoEXE there also weren’t any stakes in Onward, which is one of the reasons I didn’t like it.
*TOY STORY SEQUEL SCORES*
*Toy Story 2 scores*
Animation: 9.5
Story: 9.5
Characters: 9.5
*9.5/10 (Epitome)*
*Toy Story 3 results*
Animation: 9.5 (Phenomenal)
Story: 9 (Amazing)
Characters: 9.5 (Phenomenal)
*9/10 (Phenomenal)*
*Toy Story 4 results*
Animation: 3.5 (Overpraised)
Story: 0 (Irredeemable)
Characters: 2.5 (Horrible)
*BONUS*
Soundtrack: 3/4 (It feels more like Toy Story than everything else about the movie)
*Overall: 3/10 (Disappointment)*
@@gianna-the-lesbian9651 I thought onward was better than toy story 4 don't @ me.
Lord Necrozome don’t worry, it’s ok 👍🏻
"...pandering to a modern audience..." YES! THIS! THIS times infinity!
Thank you for the Bo Peep rant. I genuinely wouldn’t mind her character change if the flashback had her as the original Bo Peep. And then “OPERATION PULLTOY” happened and I just shook my head in disappointment.......
Wasn't Bo Peep supposed to be originally a voice of reason for Woody? She didn't need to be a strong, independent female lead because she was already a good character before. Yeah sure she was quiet and always on the side, but when Woody needed support, she still would give him great advice.
@@midnightheart5905 Exactly! She was always there for Woody. She calms him down when he's stressed and gives him good advice, but this film showed a completely different character. I missed her soft and sweet personality (and her pretty dress).
Even then, you can’t just make a character 180 like that, have the only explanation be “I’ve seen some stuff”, and then expect the audience to see them as the same character. TS4 is only able to get away with stuff like this because people’s nostalgia goggles blind them.
@@midnightheart5905 this also fit with her design too. The girl’s made out of porcelain, there’s no wonder why she stayed out of the action most of the time. And yet this movie tries to rewrite that key aspect of her character because “strong independent woman”? Come on
@i .candy well take into account that she HAD learn to fight since she as living on the streets and she easily breaks
Forky: Who's Andy?
Woody: *Vietnam flashbacks*
*Why are we still here? Just to suffer? Every night, I can feel my leg... And my arm... even my fingers... The body I've lost... the comrades I've lost... won't stop hurting... It's like they're all still there. You feel it, too, don't you? I'm gonna make them give back our past!*
@@hideofreakingkojima5457 *K O J I M A I S G O D !*
*VI-ET-NAM*
AortaPlatinum I mean he is Forrest Gump
THEY PLAYED UP LIKE A DAMN FIDDLE!!!!!!!!!!
While the first 3 movies were about the importance of family, this last one felt like it was saying:
"just kidding, family doesn't matter and they'll throw you away the first chance they get; so you should do the same"
These movies seem to give the wrong message.
This is actually it. It's the new childfree nomil delete the gym ideal.
To me, this is the Last Jedi of the Toy Story movies
Each movie did have a point that had an allusion to another villains goals.
Sid made evil toys just as evil toys exist.
Stinky pete wanted to live on a sgelf, the life Bo got and hated
Lotso got replaced and abandoned much like stinky Pete said would happen and andy went to college.
Each movie had themes made for toys that couldbe applied irl. Being independent and setting others on a better path seems contradictort but still works
To me, that wasn’t the point of the movie. You are free to think this way, but to me I think that the movie was more based on woody finding a new home outside of what he was used to, and the movie showed that to me. It showed to me how he didn’t really fit in anymore, and it showed how he was no longer a necessary toy. To me it showed that he had to move on. That he had to carry onward. I see where you are coming from. But I disagree.
Bonnie: *Brings all of her toys with her on the RV."
also Bonnie: "Forky is the only toy that matters."
Me with my video games in a nutshell
Yeah. And for some reason, aside from Forky, Woody is played with the most out of all of them despite the fact he was forgotten in the closet. Goddamn, this movie isn't consistent with itself, unlike every prior Toy Story film.
@@thejedisonic67 don't worry game collection i love all of you. i just love new Vegas more.
@@megamike15
XD
That's pretty true of kids though
Drastically changing character personalities and writing a sad ending doesn’t make it “deep,” it’s makes it lazy.
To think people call this bastardization a "good character arc" is insane. They turned woody into a simp nice-guy deadbeat dad going through a midlife crisis abandoning his family to get laid by some basic bitch that doesn't even give a fuck about him. That is not character development that is shitty writing and disloyal. I guess that fits in with the "namaste lets all just abandon responsibility" mindset of the "woke" morons flooding the world today. I'm not falling for it. Not since Luke Skywalker have I seen such character assassination. This is jake the cowboy not woody.
@@bluespark01 Luke Skywalker wasn't character assassinated though. It makes sense to see him seeing how the Jedi can fail and blaming himself for it
THANK YOU!!!!!!
@@bluespark01
"Simp?!"
Please you just made yourself sound cringy for that.
Maybe you should be more respectful
They completely ruined Buzz. He went from the intelligent partner to the dummy that is used for laughs.
I felt nothing in that final goodbye scene because of this and I still don’t know how people are blind to this.
Yeah, it's pretty much what the movies made of Ron Weasley's character in the Harry Potter movies. He went from a clever, witty, courageous, and likable character to a dumb, unbearable, immature loser who's used for dumb jokes.
@@superedmundo1239
So true!
They even play off his cleverness in the 7th movie as a joke!
Also, atleast we see his cleverness in the first movie! I'll take what I can get XD
@FieryGarfield
Totally agree. They dumbed down Buzz and regressed his character. It's a shame that people are so blind to this :/
Buzz was always kind of dumb, but the movie was not about other toys. That's why we don't see buzz much involved in the story. As a result, he seems less serious and more dumb in toy story 4. But it's acceptable.
Omar Zhalak Nah it’s kinda Unacceptable
I remember being so confused by the fact that buzz doesn’t even know what a conscious is, like does he not have one or is he just not aware of the term?
EXACTLY! they made him soooo dumb in this story!
@@princessthyemis you'd think by that point he would know what conscience is.
Plus LITERALLY IN THE FIRST MOVIE, he realized his voice box buttons were just other aspects of him being just a toy
@@NerdzTM it was geniusly set up to reflect woody and Gabbys voice box. But yea he had to be nerfed for it to work.
apparently he wasnt aware that it was a thing for the 15+ years that he was andys toy lol
Yeah. I preferred Toy Story 3 as a way to end the franchise
It's Disney; Nothing ever truly ends.
Same. I rather pretend that the 4th movie isn't canon. The third movie will always be the true ending to the Toy Story series.
Agreed. Toy Story 3 was a great ending to the Series and TS 4 just feels like an unnecessary sequal that exists go make money
And personally I like Po Beep befire she came back for the fourth film. Not my favourite character but there was Both I g wring with her
I agree, but at the same time...it was still a nice idea to reunite Woody with Bo Peep. Maybe it just didn't find the best way to do it. November 2, 2019, 3:37am
I can still enjoy the Toy Story Toons and the 2 TV specials without seeing Toy Story 4. November 2, 2019, 3:41am
"despite the 9 year gap..." what are you talking about? Toy story 3 came out like a few years ago...
..... Oh no D:
Never realized it was after almost a decade.
Holy shit, it really *has* been that long. It feels like 3 or 4 years.
I KNOW RIGHT
OMG I also thought it was a mistake when he said that!
@Soussy 2010? 2010!!??
I didn’t mind Toy Story 4, but 3 was the perfect way to end the story. Didn’t like Woody leaving in 4, it goes against everything we knew Woody to stand for (loyalty, friendship).
I'd argue it makes sense. Woody wouldn't be played with much whereas with Bo, he's with the love of his life and has more of a purpose.
^This
@@FraserSouris So it's better that Woody stayed with Bo? Play with random kids who could burry him in the sand, pulled his arms or throw him everywhere is better than being with his friends? If you say so X)
@@ladypool1404 My dude, we see that when random kids played with Woody and Bo Peep, it wasn't actually bad or rough. Woody even enjoyed it. It was the most fun he had in a long time.
Plus, Woody's goal with Bo Peep now is to try and get more toys to get with kids so they can experience what Woody had.
@@FraserSouris Your right BUT it doesn't mean that it can't happen. Not all the kids are gentle with toys. Some are really cruel and likes to burry them or throw them away.
Also, giving random toys a chance to being played is nice BUT leaving your friends for a girl you didn't saw is a bit selfish :S I still find Woody's decision wrong. He has no regrets abandonning Buzz aka his BEST friend or Bullseye and Jessie. What a jerk!
On the surface ToyStory4 was inoffensive, fun, and gorgeous to look at. But when you start digging a bit deeper at the characters, the themes, and the story it all kinda gets muddled and messy.
My biggest problems with the movie were the complete regression of Buzz and Woody's character developments, the idea that the lost Toy life was so great without ever actually showing why it is great (in fact most of the lost toys actually seem sad and unfulfilled because they don't have a personal kid to love), and the complete disregard for the themes (of friendship, unconditional love, and coming to terms with mortality) built up in the previous three films.
It wasn't just Buzz and Woody. Other than maybe 1-2 scenes they totally weakened Jessie too. She's a pushover to Bo and maybe others as well. Did they totally forget what she did for the others in TS3 and ESPECIALLY Toy Story of Terror? She became a fully fledged hero in that special (along with Buzz and Woody). Now we expect she'll just let Bo haul Woody off? After she traveled in a box to save him (her biggest fear)? She loves Woody like he's her big brother. TSOT makes TS4 look ridiculous.
This is the same way I feel about star wars RoS.
What I like about the film is it tried to do a more original story. 3 was kinda a rehash in parts. But that's about it.
I didn't like Sporky, or how the supporting cast had very little to do. Buzz was reduced to a recurring joke. Woody abandoning his kid the instant he's not played with seemed to go against his character. But ultimately, the plot about Forky just wasn't engaging and I found the whole thing kinda boring.
Also it makes the ending of Toy Story 3 worse. Andys sacrifice of giving up his childhood toy (possibly passed down from his dad) is wasted on Bonnie.
Dang, I'm the first one to reply.
Anyways fucking love your channel, keep the work up!
I don't like comments like this because it really shows how people let toy story 3's ending overshadow the rest of the movie and the other movies in the franchise. Toy story 4 isn't as good as the others, but I still really enjoy the movie. Just my opinion
No.
TheLonelyGoomba yeah I thought the Forky plot was kinda boring too. He was actually kinda annoying in my opinion
@GalacticHypernova No.
Can writers stop thinking that "Well written Strong female character = Active tough badass".
When people say they want a well written woman, they're not saying they want all women to be fighters or sword wielders, they just want them to be interesting and have a good personality and sometimes that can come from a timid and feminine character! There's nothing wrong with femininity, hell theres not even anything weak about it either. A woman doesn't have to be written as "one of the guys", but as a character.
You're right
Exactly!
Yup its not bad to give them flaws or even make them strong physically ot be good with action stuff..... But give them personality.
Personally like badass warrior female characters with character struggles that their combat prowess cant solve find this weird but i like it
Elastigirl from the *FIRST* Incredibles is a good example of this. She was able to break into Syndromes base and rescue her husband and they didn’t have to make Mr Incredible look weak or stupid to make her look strong. It’s a shame they did that in the sequel tho
It's little more than the current status quo that's being reinforced. Feminity amongst women is demonized, while trying to force masculinity on them. We know who women really are in real life, we know that despite exceptions existing the absolute majority of women are not these "oh Ima be a caricature of masculinity" types.
The fourth movie went against everything that they built up.
I really hated it they ruined it for me
Woody, the guy that said that toys need to always be there for their children, the guy that kept everything together. Is the one that leaves. Fuck you Pixar!
I mean, it didn’t at all
Woody:we're a family we should stay together
Also woody: i got a girlfriend bye guys
I disagree, woody finally made the choice to be his own person. The choice he failed to make in the past 2 movies.
100% agreed. i was getting kinda sick of seeing this movie get so much praise when its just a big contradiction to the rest of the series
Agreed. The bigger problem, however, is that the contradiction is totally unearned. Contradictions are allowed - hell, real life is full of them. But in life - and in GOOD storytelling - we usually get to SEE how they come about. They don't just happen without setup. As the video points out, the movie thematically contradicts itself - something the first three TSs just didn't do. TS 4 was severely underwritten or lazily written or both.
How is it a contradiction ? Woody being the leader running the room isn't going to work anymore because he belongs to Bonnie who isn't the same character as Andy was. So her not playing with Woody makes sense because not every kid plays with their toys the same way. Even Sid Phillips didn't do that, he broke his toys, blew them up with dynamites and even decapitated and dismembered them.
Black Ninja I was thinking the same thing - both about Forky being (extremely) annoying, and about the shorts being so much better thematically than TS4. I’ve watched the shorts with my kids numerous times, but I cannot, will not, sit through TS4 again. Even my 4 year-old lost interest halfway into the second act!
The ending was the most ridiculous part in my opinion
hm landis I agree. Why would Woody want to go be with Bo Peep when she acted like an insufferable little shrew who treated him with such disdain throughout most of the movie?!
Absolutely agree. As a film, its fine. As a TOY STORY film, it's awful.
The biggest thing for me was the team behind it. This movie was originally just about Woody and Buzz looking for Bo, but when Rashida Jones left, they spliced her script with another. On top of that, we have new directors for the first time in the series. I could feel it while I was watching. Toy Story has cutaway gags now? It's funny, but it just feels off. Controversial opinion here: I think John Lasseter should've worked on this. I know that isn't exactly something people would want, but Toy Story was always his baby. The first 3 felt consistent in the tone & writing, but this one just sticks out.
i dont like that john lasseter made women uncomfortable, but to be honest, the hard honest truth is that hes a great story teller. i can already see a decline in the recent disney movies without his involvement.
@@Kicksno1fan Facts
Actually, there was someone else who I think could have done a fantastic job on a fourth film: Angus MacLane, the guy who directed Toy Story of Terror and Small Fry. THAT was some of the best and funniest writing I have seen since Toy Story 2, maybe even the first film. Toy Story of Terror is so well made it puts TS4 and even TS3 (apart from it's ending) to shame. He understands the characters almost perfectly. After that special, I would have given him the keys to a TS4 on the spot.
@@thunderbird1921 I agree. Those shorts and TV specials were excellent. They should've continued those, or created a Disney Plus series.
Actually, he did work on it. He just wasn't credited.
I can’t believ that ending! I’m so pissed and what pisses me off more is how oblivious people are just cause of nostalgia ! That was not woody! That wasn’t woodys character identity that they screamed at us for the past 3 movies. He’s a toy of loyalty, commitment, determination, and faith! That choice was a complete contradiction of everything they made woody to be! Bonnie also promised andy! Can’t believe they split the gang!
All for a sorry excuse like “moving on”, that theme doesn’t work good for a toy story film, it probably would with another Pixar film just not toy story....
AgSkywalkerTDM Garcia are you serious ?
AgSkywalkerTDM Garcia So you’re so furious at someone for having a different constructive opinion that you had to tell them to stfu and give the bird??
Schaffrillas Productions: The ending is amazing! In fact, it’s the most perfect way to end Toy Story since the one in 3! And no, we don’t like Toy Story 4 JUST because of nostalgia! The characters had the same ways of lovability as they had in the previous Toy Story films, the only difference being Bo, because while she was more important than people give her credit for, they changed her character for the even better! Why do people think that’s just SJW propaganda?! If anything, that’s TRUE female empowerment! YOU’RE the SJWs for complaining about Bo Peep’s character development (or, in YOUR hate-filled case, “character derailment”) in one of the many underrated films of 2019 along with Missing Link, Playmobil the Movie, Arctic Dogs, Wonder Park, Uglydolls and Abominable!
@@kieranstark7213 It's not like Bo Peep was an investive character in the 1st two movies. It makes sense they'd change it to give her a more prominent role.
Also, can you link me to the Schaffrillas Productions' video?
"How can he think his voice box is his conscious when he knows hes a toy?" THANK YOU!
... Did everyone forget what happened in Toy Story 3? The TV that fell on Spanish mode Buzz, which reverts him back to his old state. I imagine he wouldn't be completely normal after this happened. It made perfect sense to me that Buzz thought his voice box was his conscious.
Thank you!! Finally someone who remembers this
Because he’s not that bright. Thought that was obvious.
@@Buttington_Headerson Buzz might not be as smart as most toys, but he's not an incompetent fool. In Toy Story 1, he correctly deduced it was safer to ride in the passenger seat than in the trunk. Toy Story freaking 2, Buzz not only deciphers Al's license plate (when no one else could), but organizes a successful mission to get Woody back. It was his idea to use the traffic cones to safely cross the street, his idea to jump at the same time to trigger the automatic doors, and his idea to reveal the fake Buzz by opening his helmet. He also used the cameras to blind the prospector, plus talked some sense into Woody.
This movie presents Buzz as incapable of making decisions, and being a successful leader: Two things the previous movies established as a big part in his character.
Audiences: How can he think his voice box is his conscious when he knows he's a toy?
Disney: Money.
Toy Story 3: "The thing that makes Woody special is he'll never give up on you. Ever. He'll be there for you, no matter what."
Toy Story 4: LOL no he won't
Edit: Wow! Thanks for all the likes. Screw this movie and long live the Toy Story trilogy.
I guess the idea they were going for was that Woody didn't need to be there if the kid didn't need him, or else it becomes obsession.
he does never give up on anyone in toy story 4. he never gave up on forky and bonnie didn’t need him anymore so leaving her didn’t give up on her. he didn’t give up on his friends, actually in ty story 4 he’s helping other toys at the end so he actually isn’t a bad person lol. i just rlly love woody
@@ghost8974 He did give up on Bonnie. Based on everything Woody has been about in the first three movies, his shortage of playtime wouldn't make a difference to him. He and his friends spent years without getting played with, and he insisted that they stay. "It's not about getting played with. It's about being there for Andy. He must care about us, or we wouldn't be here." Why should he not apply those same standards to being Bonnie's toy?
@@PoppCulture94 bonnie didnt care for woody, even the other toys could see woody was finished with having 1 child they were the ones who encouraged him and felt bad for him because he was never in that situation. Bonnie didnt care for woody because woody isnt Bonnie's toy, hes still Andy's
@@amemelia Except he has been in this situation before. When Andy got Buzz in the first movie, the only times Woody was played with was when he was used as Buzz's punching bag. He even began to doubt his value anymore, as he says to Buzz, "You should go back to Andy without me. I'm the one who should be strapped to that rocket." But Buzz insisted that Andy needed them both. And thus Woody learns that his purpose as a child's toy matters even when he's not the favorite.
And anyway, if he was never Bonnie's toy, what was the point of the ending of Toy Story 3? The beginning of the fourth drew attention to her name written on his boot. When the other toys chose to stay at the daycare center, Woody tried to tell them it was wrong by pointing out the name written on theirs. By the end of 4, the name written on his boot doesn't mean a thing to him. He just leaves to do what he wants, exactly what he rebuked his friends for doing in 3. And yet somehow we're supposed to be okay with this now??? No way.
My biggest issue with Bo Peep is that, she had been gone for about 7 - 10 years, which is plenty of time for her personality to have changed with her new life experiences and nay tragedies she may have gone through. And Woody barely even knows her anymore upon re-meeting. But through out the story we would've seen the two work together or whatever and watch Woody fall in love with her all over again now that she is so different.
But nah, we get the opening scene where Pixar tries to convince us she's always been like this.
I noticed that too and I hated her new personality
Moral Time:
Toy Story 1: Even if you’re not number one, there’s always room for love
Toy Story 2: Even if love is temporary, it is still worth experiencing
Toy Story 3: Even if you have to let go of something, you will always have somebody to always love you
Toy Story 4: ScReW aLl ThAt. JuSt GeT lAiD.
No. 4 used the same as 3, but including "Sometimes you need to get out of your comfort zone"
@Albert Boris
But 3 still uses the amazing *“friends and family over everything else”* from 1 and 2.
Toy story 5: even if you have a loss of an old friend, your toy should always be there when you return no matter what
"You Got A Friend In Me"
@@coolbatman5774
Bo Peep? Honestly, I didn’t like they tried to turn her into a strong character without showing the original Bo Peep personality. Toy Story 4 is trying to tell me Bo was always this strong character, but that’s not true. Bo was a lot more shy and reliant in Toy Story 1 and 2. And even her new strong, character seems more aggressively dominating rather than intelligently dominating. Don’t get me wrong, I love powerful feminine leaders. Women who don’t require a guy to live. Like Jessie. She was an amazing female character in Toy Story 2 and 3. She was strong, assertive, and best of all, a respectable character. Bo Peep just seems like a feminist to me.
I don’t know, maybe I am analyzing wrong. Honestly, who knows.
This is basically toy story 3: lol my kid is a teen let me leave him for some random kid that I barely even know even though he wanted me to go to college with him screw that I want some random child LOL.
Toy Story, 4: *"Look! Bo Peep is back!"*
Me: *"...is she though?"*
*cough cough* flashback scene *cough cough*
I don't get it
I dont get it she was back
Bo Peep meets "Tomb Raider" and a spork.
@@MarkWilson-rn8tx so you wanted her to have 0 character growth??
Woody in toy story 3: I won't go with Andy to the campus because my friends are my family and we will stay together even if it's with a new kid
Woody in toy story 4: ok, ight imma head out
hora de todos os legos If the first Toy Story was asking “What if toys were alive?", Toy Story 2 "What happens to toys when we grow up?" and Toy Story 3 the same but in a more concrete manner, then Toy Story 4 is stepping away to get to the core. It's asking, plainly, "What is a toy anyway?"
That's in the discussion from the opening sequence where Woody is torn between his own interests and duty to Andy, and pushed to the fore by Forky's creation via affection. Up until this movie, it was simple. Per Buzz recounting what he learned from Woody in Toy Story 2, "life's only worth living if you're bein' loved by a kid." But what does that say about life when a child grows up, or when you're left in the closet in favor of others? How can idealism really hold up to the real world? What Toy Story 4 finds is a less direct form of love. It's not just about a singular, personal relationship but the grand web of life one can find themselves in.
In Toy story 2 Woody has a nightmare, so toys can sleep. But I agree with absolutely everything else.
@Magic In The Mundane maybe the toys CAN sleep, but don’t need to?
gami gato Ooh, that’s a good theory. Also, Woody was injured when he slept, so maybe that had something to do with it? Though I prefer your opinion.
Maybe they don’t sleep like we do, but just imitate us to pass time (cuz they’re not gonna get played with when their owners’ asleep and can’t move around and talk cuz they’re in the room)
Maybe it's a janky vestigial trait they inherit from the humans they get their consciousness from. Like whales with leg bones or that falling out of a tree sensation we get in bed.
All the Buzz Lightyear toys in Al's Toy Barn, were in "deep hyper sleep" until "authorized personel" woke one of them up. The fact that they all slept with their eyes open kinda felt creepy tho.
Thanks a lot for this video. I was starting to feel like the only one who disliked this movie and I was having a hard time pinpointing why
“You’ve Got a Friend in Me Until I Run Into an Ex” Glad to see I’m not the only one who hated this travesty!
Toy Story 4 is a good movie.
Then why did you watch this video?
@@nickgadson266 It's honestly not.. :/
ShewolfxVix Yes it is.
I hated both this movie and Frozen 2... two very disappointing and empty bland feeling sequels of Disney this year that many people somehow think are good. 😕 Ok, Toy Story 4 is pixar, but still it's Disney Pixar.
This movie really could've been so profound if they retouched Bo's character and how's she changed and created more of a conflict between her and Woody. He could've been trying to convince her to come back and live with him and everyone else now that he's finally been reunited with her, only for her to insist that she's happy with the life she has now, making it clear to Woody that she's a very different person than the one he knew 9 years ago. Seeing a fully realized arc for these two characters really would've improved the core of the film.
Also, Buzz's storyline should've been changed to something more fitting for him, and I also would've liked to see Jessie be involved with whatever that would be as well. Giving Jessie the proper focus she deserves would help make her reuniting with Bo towards the end have more meaning.
Yeah I rewatched Toy Story 4 again earlier today and noticed that Woody did question if Bo will ever go back to being in a kids room again and she said no, then Bo mentions that her new life as a lost toy would be a great role for Woody and he said no and that he was happy belonging to a kid.
So they did have some variation of that exchange in the movie like you said but I agree that they didn't capitalize on it enough, had that been Bo's character in Toy Story 4 that would've been more effective than the one we got in the movie.
Buzz and Jessie didn't do much so I agree with that, it sucks that they're not given more screen time in TS4 because they've had more interactions with Woody than Bo has.
When I saw Toy Story 3 in theatres, I, a then-sixteen-year-old, bawled openly through the last twenty minutes. When I saw this in theaters, I caught myself actively trying to get emotionally invested enough to cry, and still didn't pull it off.
When I saw Toy Story 3's ending scene with Andy going off to college one night during an ABC marathon of all the movies and his mom was like, "I wish I could always be with you," I, then about to enter high school at 15, started crying my eyes out. When I saw this in theaters, I actively started counting down the "Pixar Cry Moment."
You’ve Got A Friend In Me But My Girlfriend’s In Town And She Has Cool Friends And I Wanna Run Away With The Carnival
You've got a friend in me until I run into an ex
Bo Peep was literally a decoration from the base of a lamp that Andy’s sister had in her nursery when she was a baby in the first movie. She’s like a precious moments figurine, but on a lamp for babies. That’s why she doesn’t really participate in a lot of the events of the first 3 movies, if she disappeared for a long time, like everyone else, she would be more easily noticed. Also she’s ceramic, so she can’t really jump and run like the other toys because she’ll break. If you want to get technical she’s more of an appliance then a toy, but, to be fair, the movies have always been kinda weird about how Andy interacted with her.
You're right. Andy only plays with her when he's playing with Woody. She was the "damsel in distress" that Woody often saved.
“When it’s all over, I’ll have good ol Buzz Lightyear to keep me company.”
*ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT WOODY*
That's the worst part about Toy Story 4. It destroys the "friendship" theme for the sake of a crappy Livejournal fanfic between Bo and Woody.
He break the bro code.
When the film was released in June, everyone celebrated it.
But I always thought Toy Story 4 was a very bad movie.
I hope that with time we will become more and more aware of this.
Well it won Oscar so it's game over.
@@Pollicina_db >Implying that means anything
@@Pollicina_db because the people who decide who win at the Oscars just pick whatever film their kids liked the best.
@@twilightsky1580 Happy Feet and Brave won.
SHARK TALE WAS NOMINATED. Shark. Tale.
I wouldn't say very bad. It's an alright movie, but hardly compares to the originals.
If Woody was the same character in Toy Story 2 as in Toy Story 4, he would have gone off to the museum with Al.
I hate this movie *so* *much*
I can imagine Woody would have also gone to the museum if Andy's mom never bought Buzz for Andy's birthday in the first film.
@@samuelrodgers9965 wow lol, so much anger in that comment
I YEETED MYSELF Hey you guys are annoying for hating on a movie.
@@samuelrodgers9965 don't be annoyed on the internet my dude. There will always be controversial opinions. Disney and Pixar just suck at pumping out sequels and trilogies as of late.
I YEETED MYSELF Well, it really doesn’t seem like people disliked the movie according to this: www.rottentomatoes.com/m/toy_story_4
I don't consider this movie canon. Toy Story ended with "So long, partner."
What about the specials? I actually liked them better than Toy Story 3.
@@thunderbird1921 what speacials?
@@sugar2000galaxy Toy Story of Terror and Toy Story that Time Forgot. Look them up, they're brilliant!
THANK YOU!!! YES!!
Thank you. I’m so happy there’s people that share my opinion
This movie is a lot like the Incredibles 2.
A solidly put together film, technically proficient, inoffensive, and... that’s kinda it.
It wasn’t really necessary, it’s hollow with a coat of shiny fresh paint covering it up
The creators said they only made it because they supposedly had a great idea they absolutely had to do, but I’m scratching my head as to what it was
Apparently stay at home dad and spork toy were the ideas.
*Toy Story 4* is a lot like *Incredibles 2* not because they’re solidly put together (not especially as sequels), but more because they are the worst Pixar movies since the ones that came between *Toy Story 3* and *Monsters’ University* that make the 2010s a decade for Pixar that, while mostly (but not completely) good, is nowhere near phenomenal as it was the 2000s because...
• They are WAY too technically proficient, especially *TS4* (although, if I could pick between the two which has worse animation, I’d have to go with *Toy Story 4* not only because they gave a character, which in this case, is an antique shop owner’s cat, a completely realistic design, but also because of what they did to Bo Peep, not just her design, but also her character, is a joke... Oh shit...)
• While it’s great to make women and everyone else tough, the way they made Elastigirl/Helen Parr and Bo Peep “strong female characters” isn’t REALLY badass, but more like pushing a misandristic agenda down our throats that Disney considers “MUH FEMINISM”.
• The continuity they have with their predecessors is barely existent.
• The actors did try their hardest with the materials they were given, but because of how disappointing these films are with their “We’re not our predecessors, we’re just for kids, so we don’t have to try” attitude, the actors only gave out the best they could with the laughable scripts they were given, so of course the acting is far from some of the best in the universe, especially Huck Milner as Dash Parr and Annie Potts as Bo Peep(, Worse than Ever).
• Although I do have to admit, if there’s something good that came out of these movies, (only) some of its characters like Bunny & Ducky, Frozone, Edna Mode and Duke Caboom are at least memorable for decent reasons.
I cant put it like peter in that one episode of family guy:
Ah! Eh! Ha! He said it!
“Inoffensive” This movie was very offensive to me.
@@isaiah4820 inoffensive to snowflakes, immensely offensive to people over the age of 12 with a brain
There’s also the villain. No consequences for her because sob story. Lots had a sob story too, but he got consequences. Double standard, much?
Yeah she mutilated Woody, had creepy guards running the shop like a prison but "oh she was sad let's forgive her atrocities!"
She manipulated Woody, itv wasn't her lil sob story that changed his mind. She cornered him with the ventriloquist dolls and pretty much gave him no choice.
Couldn’t agree more. Woody was cucked big time here. Buzz was useless, and the other characters were basically not present. That’s what happens when you value “wokeness” over genuine story telling
This is the worst comparison I’ve ever seen in my life Lotso almost killed the toys for his own benefit Gabby Gabby earned her happiness since she was willing to accept change and turned good she even found an owner someone who was lost like her also are you really saying a movie about toys had a double standard stop trying to push your political agenda that everything that a woman does is a double standard
@@jaydenbrough9624 Even Lotso had a sob sob story, but I see no one here forgiving him for his actions. And every movie is made out of characters, and they can have double-standards or any other bad feature because if they are perfect they wouldn't be enjoyable, doesn't matter if female or male. Hope this helps
Yeah I really love how TS4 showed that Woody left Andy for nothing. He could have been their for Andy's son, his grandson, but no.
Nathan Higgins Ikr
And this is why more than ever, I wanted there to be a Toy Story 5 (I mean, come on! Toy Story 3 and especially 4 were some of the highest-grossing animated features before The Lion King: Decimated)! So that not only could it have Woody Pride come back to Bonnie Anderson’s home to visit Andy Davis, his wife Hannah Phillips and their son Manuel (probably because a decade ago, there was Handy Manny?) Phillips could also visit the Andersons and their toys!
They all coulda been but they yeeted outta there for a new paisono
lol, or Andy tragically dies early, and Woody and a few other childhood relics are placed in Andy's coffin as he is buried. And Woody has to spend the next 4 billion years locked in the pitch black coffin lying next to the decaying body of his former child master. Damn some toys must live a brutal life!
I felt Woody and Buzz separating just wasn't earned at all. It was the weakest of the series for sure
Nope. Not at all. It's the best along with the 4th one, if you grew up with this franchise you'll be old enough to get why.
@@beinerthchitivamachado9892 I couldn't agree less. I was born in 2001, and I was very dissatisfied with the ending. it didn't make sense. Woody wouldn't leave his friends for just a lost toy. I hated it
@@dillonmalbrue1545 He has been in love with Bo Beep since the first Toy Story. He would absolutely move on from his friends to be with the one he loved most
@@dillonmalbrue1545 Off course you don't agree lil' bro, you're still young. Once again, if you actually grew up with this franchise, you'll be old enough to get all the nuances in the story. Woody didn't just leave his friend for a "lost toy", he went on to have a life of his own with the love of his life, Woody's been loyal af for everyone in hs life, now it's time he's loyal to himself.
EremikaHaven yep
This movie doesn’t exist to me. Just like Incredibles 2.
Yeah there have been bland sequels from multiple companies. I keep forgetting that I've seen the third movies to How To Train Your Dragon and Kung Fu Panda, and getting excited when I see the title images on Netflix.
14 years ago I was wanting a sequel for that movie so bad... can I go back in time and slap myself for that?
Tbh incredibles 2 isn't that bad it just wasnt as good as the first one they could've done soo much more with the sequel but didn't because Disney hasn't made a good animated film since Toy Story 3.
Amen brother! I hated that movie too. What a huge disappointment
@@samjr1151 Incredibles 2 is not terrible. It's just the first movie done poorly again with an uno reverse card hit on the main characters. And Mr Incredible is nerfed massively in the movie. Losses a fist fight, barely uses his strength, and sidelines his family in the opening act. Bob gets good room to play the father and that is it for the character.
The villain is awful and plays like a TV villain. Actually this entire movie felt like a made for TV movie. It should have been set farther into the future with the kids being more mature.
Honestly these weird changes, Bo Peep being retroactively changed into a more jack of all trades character, Woody being less of the leader than he was in the previous films, probably come from Disney's latest obsession with shoehorning Progressivism into their films instead of naturally weaving it into the narrative.
Your idea of Bo Peep starting out meek in the flashback, then we see her today as confident, would have been a natural integration, for example.
Chris Disney seems to be secretly pushing their feminist movement in their movies. It’s sickening!!!
I honestly don't understand what's wrong with just sweet, calm and supportive female characters, who may not be into this whole action and stuff.
I mean it was annoying back then when female characters were only love interests who could do nothing, but now it's vice versa. Come on, stop with this bs, Disney/Pixar and other guys! Just WRITE a character, don't pander to what's popular 🤦🏻♀️
And yeah, did they forgot Bo is STILL made of porcelain and all this jumping and stuff should just really break her in pieces cause it's not only fragile, but also pretty heavy and breaks easily. Man.
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They did the same shit with Wreck it Ralph 2. I loved the princess scenes, but I hated how they threw away a lot of the plot points of the first movie. "NEVER GO TURBO! -- oh wait you want to join this other game forever? SURE go ahead" DID WE FORGET THAT SHE IS A GLITCH AND THEREFORE CANNOT LEAVE HER GAME?! (yes, she can still glitch)...and if resetting the game somehow changed that fact then they should have explained that to US! and they turned Ralph into a big man-baby who acted like he couldn't survive without Vanelope even though he had lots of new friends now and everyone accepts him and doesn't treat him differently for being the villain. Vanelope was actually pretty selfish in the film but that's my opinion. Ralph made all those videos to save her game and then she's just "Aight I'ma head out" I hate how they are ruining sequels lately... they do the same thing to both Ralph and Woody... make them seem like insecure losers while the female is the strong empowered one. Why not BOTH? Vanelope went from a character I truly loved in the first film to a little brat I wanted to slap in the second one
I kept waiting on the suspenseful moment where you’re thinking the toys won’t make it and they somehow find a way, 1 had Woody and Buzz trying to catch the moving van. 2 had Woody catching up to the plane to save Jessie and Bullseye. 3 had the Incinerator.
Just never happened with 4. Nothing happened. All previous 3 had better antagonists, Sid, Pete, and Lotso were good antagonists. Can’t even count Gabby as an antagonist. She got what she wanted, converted fast and got a happy ending. Lame
Why did the world decide to fall in love with it when it should've ended as a trilogy?
Market value.
Because it's Pixar.
Because some people are Pixar plebs. - NitPix
How does this or Incrediblrs 2 make more money than zootopia?
@@wastelandlegocheem brand recognition
I literally pretend this doesn't exist and that the 3rd movie was the end
Okay, but what about the Toons, Toy Story of Terror, and Toy Story That Time Forgot? Those still exist, right? November 2, 2019, 3:59am
I pretend 3 doesn’t exist
@@adampkalb those exsist, they were enjoyable and wholesome❤
I love watching Toy Story that time Forgot, trixie and that battlesaur were so damn cute together
Toy story 4 was the vest
Same here
*Lotso The Bear:* _WE'RE ALL JUST TRASH WAITING TO BE THROWN AWAY! THAT'S ALL TOY IS!!!_
*Forky:* [wheezes in J. Jonah Jameson]
Sir Friendship RRRRREEEEEEEEE
God, I've been seeing your comments everywhere. XD
Sir Friendship, it’s funny how Lotso really is right about everything in Toy Story 3 because if you watch Toy Story 3 and 4 right back to back with each other it almost seems like they’re completely different movies.
Stinky Pete: “end up in some landfill”
This felt like the sequel I feared Toy Story 2 was going to be. This felt like a direct to dvd sequel.
Toy story 4 was so weak compared to the other films and the characters are bland they don't feel like themselves.
Amen, the only character I loved in Toy Story 4 is Duke Caboom.
@@kieranstark7213 ikr
I feel like Frozen 2 had the same problem... of course it had many things wrong with it like not making really any sense. And not a good ending that just comes out of nowhere. I hated this ending with Woody going off with Bo Peep and ditching Bonnie. I thought toys are never supposed to give up on their owners, not throw that out the window for an an ex-girlfriend. :/
@@ShewolfxVix I didnt watch it yet but I heard people said its bad
@@kieranstark7213 That's just cause Keanu Reeves is amazing
I preferred the third one. The fourth smelled like Disney pressured them to write it at the zombie-like insistence of Bo Peep fans. Also, the lost toy shtick flies right in the face of the other films. Like, what's Woody gonna do now? What if he finds a home? What about all the people who aren't kids and love toys? Hell, even the animation seems plastic-y, where the other three films seemed story-wise and animation-wise natural as a reflection and evolution of the nature of what a toy would be like if it were to come alive. Plus, Woody's motivations were never *this* obviously hammered into your brain, they were subtly woven around the story. Hell, the ending's even worse considering the New Bo's shrill putdowns of Woody--he'll be stuck with *that* forever as opposed to just waiting for Bonnie to realistically cycle back into liking him, as kids do.
Toy Story 4 flimsily glues its marketing gimmick together by having Woody turn into an Uncanny Valley pullstring doll with one new phrase, *"WE GOTTA GET FORKY BACK TO BONNIE!"*
Eat At Joe's
Yea!
And in this film woody didn’t even get his own opinion
Woody would fight back if he herd is voice box was removed he would of found another way
And Bo peep sucked. The didn’t need her at all really she was a blank slate and so was her sidekick “GiggleMCdimles” of whatever
And the main cast was just useless sitting in a van while Bonnie was upset because her fork was missing.
This movie was a garbage truck and can go burn in a incinerator for all I care!
I hated Toy Story 4. One thing you missed was how Gabbie got a happy ending by being a manipulative jerk
chloe anderson Gabby Gabby is not a monster; she’s just another toy like Woody desperate for the affection of a child. As someone who knew the love of Andy and lost it, Woody understands her pain and willingly gives up his voicebox to Gabby Gabby.
To be honest, Gabbie, ducky, and the rabbit guy (forgot his name) where the only characters i liked.
@@nickgadson266 Because Gabby Gabby manipulated him lmfao
TheTTVCrew She didn’t manipulate him. Read my comment more carefully.
@@nickgadson266 Umm YES she did lmao have you watched the movie? What does your comment prove? She used that to manipulate him. Literally just watch the scene
What bothers me is that in 1-3 Bo's skirt is CLEARLY made of solid porcelain like the rest of her. But suddenly in 4 it's made of fabric? Why would you make a porcelain lamp with essentially a doll on it then sew clothes for it? It doesn't make sense as a real life object.
You didn't touch another pink elephant in the movie: the voice box of Woody, given to Gaddy Gaddy via her manipulation of his emotions, she finally gets what she wants at the end but at what cost? The end justifies the means? Kids will understand that they can get what they want manipulating others feelings? It felt so backwards to me from Pixar.
Also I loved the movie, it was fantastic for a movie on it's own, but really weak as a Toy Story movie. Great video also, nice analysis as always.
I guess gabby doesn’t get her comeuppance in the end.
I'm from the future, I hate the movie more as the years pass by.
Lots of excellent points. Love how you explained Woody and Bo's personalities actually complimented each other in the first film and their chemistry was believable. I wouldn't have been able to express how that was missing from their dynamic in 4 but I definitely felt it and how it made their interactions seem contrived. Thank you.
she felt way too mean to woody. female empowerment doesnt mean being an asshole to your boyfriend.
@@Kicksno1fan It means exactly that. female empowerment is bullshit, always were and always wii be.
RIGHT! I know she likes 5 years old or something, but still, Bonnie was despicable in Toy Story 4. Toy Story 3 showed she was just as capable as looking after the toys as Andy and showed a genuine love for them. Now I get she can't play with Woody every minute, but it like she goes out of her way to exclude Woody in particular, the one toy Andy stressed she should take the most pride in looking after. Like, for example, in Toy Story 1, Andy cared more for Buzz at the time, but when Woody went missing he noticed. I feel Bonnie would never realise Woody gone. WHAT IF ANDY COMES BACK AND SEE YOU LOST HIS FAVORITE TOY! ITS OBSCENE!
Bonnie was completely out of character in TS4. Previously she was a sweet, shy girl that took care of her toys. TS4 turned Bonnie into an unbearable brat that cries over a suicidal spork and whose only interaction with Woody was removing his Sheriff star to give it to Jessie just because.
You perfectly explained my issues with Bo Peep's character development. I always liked her character, in fact, I found her a bit relatable in how demure she was- and I really did miss her in Toy Story 3. But seeing her again in Toy Story 4, the first thing I thought of when I saw her in action was, "This is to please hardcore feminists is it?" Everywhere I go, women characters now have to be just as strong as men to prove that they are not dependent on anybody and yeah, I get the message and it is nice to have, but with Bo Peep it felt forced. I agree that if they at least kept her former personality in the flashback and then changed it, it could've been understandable, but don't pretend she was always that inventive and assertive.
I think it is rude to say, as a film maker, all female characters have to be strong/be like a man, that is as bad as every female character has to be a demsil in distress.
Why not have Jessy as the strong "boyish girl and Bo Peep as the" girly" girl? Bo Peep could be strong in her own way, not by action/physics but in mind. To have a strong mindset, to be caring even when it is maybe tough (for example caring and understanding the shop puppet). That would be also a strong female character but different from Jessy.
@@ralphisxamida8533 Agreed 200%!
It's not the fact that she's hardcore, it's the fact that she has no real personality flaws. Jesse is as hardcore, but has faults like her abandonment issues and her Claustrophobia.
The sad part is that Bo peep didn't have to be like how she is in Toy Story 4 to make her more kickass. They could have kept her personality and just add some nonchalance towards children's attention.
look what they have done to mulan...
I wish Toy Story 4 never happened, TS3 has the perfect ending for the characters that left us to imagine all the fun adventures they'd have with the new owner, but TS4 takes a dump on that ending by having the new kid discard Woody and him running away abandoning his friends with barely a goodbye.
You don't have to watch the film you know. I didn't watch it when it was in cinemas and I won't watch it on DVD. TS 3 is the true ending. Just ignore this film.
Bonnie did not discard Woody. He was in the closet. No worse than Andy wanting to put him in the attic.
@@caleb8676
Yeah, abandon is an exaggeration but she did leave him feeling unwanted and lacking purpose
Meris true, but she didn’t know he was alive. To her, he is just an inanimate object.
Toy Story 2 had a much better ending. Toy Story 3 ruins it by introducing a new kid and having the toys again obsessed with having an owner instead of being happy with each other, which was the entire point of 2.
I personally really disliked this movie and found it incredibly pointless.
Like most of Disney's fodder these days....
ANDY: (Returns From College) Where’s Woody?
BONNIE: I replaced him with a spork!
ANDY: So you’re saying that my childhood toy that helped me when I was a kid, and I trusted you to take care of, was replace by a used plastic spork?!?!?
BONNIE: Yep. I love Forky!
ANDY: >:*(
She never seems to acknowledge woody in any way.
Andy: where's woody?
Bonnie: i have a fork now.
Andy: YOU WHAT?!
Andy: where’s Woody?
Bonnie: oh I have a fork now
Andy: *loads shotgun with malicious intent*
Yeah, Andy will comeback to a young girl's house, just to see his old toys, after being in college and have a completely new life, makes totally sense
@@LuisGustavoSO if he moves back into his mom's house like after she's gone or moving in nearby.
I was looking forward to reuniting with Bo Peep so much when I heard there was a Toy Story 4 being made, because I had really missed her and been worried about her when learning that she had been separated from the gang for years in Toy Story 3. She was such a sweet, caring character and it devastated me to think of her being taken away from Woody forever. Then I saw Toy Story 4 and... it wasn't my Bo. In place of a sweet gentle shepherdess there was now some cynical jaded stranger with the world's biggest chip on her shoulder. Instead of her presence being comforting and happy like it was in my childhood, now being around her on screen made me feel tense and on edge, like she could say something mean and cutting at any moment. And the way she interacted with Woody, it left me with the sense of bewildered hurt and confusion of bumping into a long-lost friend you've not seen in years only to find that they're no longer the person you knew and loved at all. And then the biggest thing that broke my heart in two - Woody and Buzz and the gang going their separate ways forever, after all they've been through. What about being in this together to infinity and beyond? Didn't all of them together have more meaning than that? Were they really just going to part with a "cheerio!" like work colleagues? And what about the whole message of Toy Story 2, that going and having shiny new adventures is nothing compared to being loved by a kid, fleeting as it is? When I left Toy Story 3, I was in tears from a beautiful and poignant ending. As I sat there at the end of Toy Story 4, I was in tears of disappointment and, strangely, grief. I couldn't put my finger on it, but it felt like something I knew and loved was dead.
Blame the feminazis, dahling. They've been ruining every children's movie, tv show and video game for some time with their blatant attempts at social engineering.
"And the way she interacted with Woody, it left me with the sense of bewildered hurt and confusion of bumping into a long-lost friend you've not seen in years only to find that they're no longer the person you knew and loved at all."
I would be unsuprised if that was the vibe they were going for.
I felt the same way with Bo Peep in Toy Story 4
Instead of her sweetness it was bitterness.
They separated the greatest duo
Woody and Buzz lightyear 😔
I have to say, I did not care for Woody leaving the group. His decision just made me irationally pissed off rather than sad, because *Woody WOULD NEVER DO THAT!*
I'd argue it makes sense. Woody wouldn't be played with much whereas with Bo, he's with the love of his life and has more of a purpose.
@@FraserSouris ...?
Sorry mate. I was not putting forth any arguments regarding decisions making sense. Why would I? After all, either decision would 'make sense.'
I ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to give this movie a chance. It all ended when Andy drove away or after the 2 short Movies.
I saw Toy Story 4 on my 21st birthday.
The only reason why I was excited to see Toy Story 4 (or at least I tried to be since I was worried TS4 would be nearly, if not quite the cash-grab it is,) is because I was just so impressed how great the Toy Story series was, and keep in mind, it was more than a duology since 2010 (the year and decade)!
And when I saw it, I’m glad I’m reminded to never see it again.
@@kieranstark7213 yeah I saw it and I was so emotion because of my expectations and then at the end I was so confused and annoyed. I didn't like the movie at all
HannahThe FallenAngel And yet, people actually think that it’s a criticism-free Movie! 😡
Super Luigi Oh you will give this movie a chance whether you like it or not you piece of shit!
@@samuelrodgers9965 actually its his decision
"This is the first time they've shown toys sleeping." Imagine waking up in the middle of the night and finding out that one of your toys is snoring.
XD
The movie felt like a Toy Story Toons short extended to a 2 hour long movie. No substance unlike the other 3.
That's exactly what I thought too.
It was a discarded Toy Story Toons short extended to 2 hours long.
Except the toy story shorts are better than 4
Sorry can i ask, why is Woody gay?
3 doesn’t even have much substance either. It’s like 15 minutes of substance spread out between scenes ripped off from the first two.
kidcat3000 couldnt have said it better myself
I was sad that Hannah didn't make a cameo like Sid did in 3. Like I really wanted to find out what happened to her.
She on some heavy shit now and dancing on the pole JK 😂
The internal inconsistencies can be blamed on the fact that the movie had no less than eight *_(8)_* story writers, two of whom also functioned as the screenwriters.
With eight writers, there are bound to be problems. As the saying goes, "Too many cooks spoil the broth."
4:11 That line from Woody hurts more than any line in the series, especially considering that Toy Story 2 is like my favorite movie.
Toy Story 4 retroactively hurts the other movies in the series, and it is honestly painful to consider it cannonical.
No? Woody meant that when his time with Andy ends, he'd have Buzz with him. Not when Bonnie's time was over
@@AlbertBoris Good joke, nostalgic turd
@@tizyman7120 How does that make me "nostalgic"? If anything, it's you guys who would be considered "over-nostalgic" because you can't let go that Woody got character development
Probably would have been much better if it had been directed by John Lasseter, as originally planned.
@@AlbertBorishe said he would have him for infinity and beyond meaning that he would never leave him like he does in TS4.
My problem with the movie was it didn't have the little green men in it. They don't even show up in the background.
@@mezzb seems legit.
@@mezzb Hey! Marines have to eat something in a crayon shortage.
Toy Story 3 is still a better conclusion than Toy Story 4. I saw it in theaters and I prefer this over a soulless Disney Remake.
To be honest, Toy Story 3 was not needed. I felt like you could have made the ending a standalone short film. The rest of the movie was HEAVILY flawed and was nowhere near as good as TS or TS2.
The thing about Woody's character arc in this movie, that is that he realises there is more to life than being played with and takes on the role as a helper of toys, is that the arc works in this movie, but not in this franchise. The whole trilogy has been about a toy staying loyal to their owner, no matter what, and then letting another kid also have the same possibility in the end. Toy Story 2 is like a reverse-Toy Story 4. Woody is neglected and shelved by his kid, but in the end, realises he must stay loyal to Andy cause that what a toy has to do. This sees Woody unlearn that. Super contradicting, very much an inconsistency.
I admire Bonnie's father amount of patience tho.
He's like chill af.
Ikr anyone would react that way with the tire piping
Finally a video that expresses my Toy Story 4 feelings. Bitter.
I think you've become to old my friend it happens to us all lol
@@Anthonycheesman33 Ironically, that is the point.
3, while being a copy of 2, atleast knew their audience were grown up now. 4 was even further and now it is dumb.
@@Ze_eT 3 copies 2 at least 4 is original you have to give it that
@@Anthonycheesman33 Yeah. Of course I went in with the expectation "It will be original". It still sucked. Remember the "Gamer girl pee" meme? It was original when it existed. But would you still consider the pee better because it was original?
@@Ze_eT I'd rather have an original than 3 which just copies 2 with a different ending come on
100% agree. I just could never pinpoint exactly what it was that bothered me. I think you summed it up pretty well.
The emotionally satisfying and beautiful ending to Toy Story 3 "perfectly" capped Pixar's trilogy, according to Toy Story 4 director Josh Cooley. However, the folks at Pixar knew they had one more story to tell when it came to Woody. At a Pixar screening event, Cooley joined producers Jonas Rivera and Mark Neilsen to explain why it was so important to revisit the world of Woody, Buzz, and the rest of Andy's toys. “We love the end of Toy Story 3," Cooley. "It ends Woody and Andy's story perfectly. We realized there is more story to tell to continue Woody's story. And once we started going down the path… we hit upon something that was worth telling."
Under the Andy regime, Woody was always the head organizer and leader of the other toys. He was Andy’s favorite, the chosen one who got to go on trips to Pizza Planet and develop the closest bond with the boy of the house. But at Bonnie’s place, things are different. Dolly, the purple-haired rag doll who’s got seniority on Woody in this new workplace of sorts, assumes the authority-figure role among the toys.
In Toy Story 4, Woody struggles in his new life with Bonnie. He has her name on his boot, but not her heart. When Bonnie wants to play, she often leaves Woody behind on the floor of her closet. She even takes Woody’s sheriff badge and pins it on Jessie instead. It becomes clear that Bonnie doesn’t have much use for Woody anymore. Woody can't help comparing his new owner to his previous kid, and soon realizes that Bonnie doesn't seem to need him the way Andy did. Bonnie never had a true relationship with Woody.
1. Woody, a cowboy, is designed more for males than females.
2. Bonnie’s a child in the 21st century, and Woody is a doll made in the ‘50s. That was revealed in Toy Story 2 as the Woody’s Roundup show was in black and white.
Bonnie was just changing her tastes and having her attention diverted somewhere else. She’s not a bad person for that. Even so, Woody is determined to do his part. So when it’s time for kindergarten orientation, he sneaks into Bonnie’s backpack, insistent that he must go with her because she’ll need a friend in this unfamiliar environment, even though Bonnie has made it clear that if she needed a friend, she probably wouldn’t choose Woody. All the other toys beg him not to go. He does it anyway. I realize this is a Disney-Pixar movie. But watching Woody’s insistence on inserting himself into a situation where he’s no longer needed made me think: it’s representing a real-life phenomenon in which older men refuse to step aside so that a new generation can step up, take charge, and prove that they are capable of running the show as well as capitalizing on opportunities and benefits that older men have enjoyed for decades. It also marks a shift in the point of view of the Toy Story movies. Bonnie trying to survive by herself can be struggling by adapting to slightly more advanced environments. Everyone has that certain something they need to help them through tough times.
All your toys are trash. If they’re not in the garbage yet, they will be soon. Yes, even your most precious early aughts era McFarlane Toys Jason X Movie Maniac figure. I’m impressed that you’ve kept a hold of it for this long, but sooner or later you’re going to turn your back, and your mom, dad, brother, sister, wife, husband, father-time, peer-pressure, whatever will chuck it in the dustbin. Society tells us that we have to grow up, and even the Toy Story trilogy finished with the ultimate joy-killer of adulthood ruining Andy’s imagination by steering his plastic friends into the arms of the still-willfully creative child Bonnie. She’ll love them for now, but she’ll grow out of it, too. Kids lose interest in their toys someday. It’s totally normal. Jessie’s heartbreaking “When She Loved Me” in Toy Story 2 is proof.
If the first Toy Story was asking “What if toys were alive?", Toy Story 2 "What happens to toys when we grow up?" and Toy Story 3 the same but in a more concrete manner, then Toy Story 4 is stepping away to get to the core. It's asking, plainly, "What is a toy anyway?"
That's in the discussion from the opening sequence where Woody is torn between his own interests and duty to Andy, and pushed to the fore by Forky's creation via affection. Up until this movie, it was simple. Per Buzz recounting what he learned from Woody in Toy Story 2, "life's only worth living if you're bein' loved by a kid." But what does that say about life when a child grows up, or when you're left in the closet in favor of others? How can idealism really hold up to the real world? What Toy Story 4 finds is a less direct form of love. It's not just about a singular, personal relationship but the grand web of life one can find themselves in.
And, of course, while Toy Story is ostensibly asking questions about the nature of toys in fictional confines, it's really going much deeper than that. The entire series is dealing with heady questions of human existence - of being replaced, of being broken, of loss - and since Toy Story 2 and Jessie's heartbreaking "When She Loved Me", it's been more directly addressing the constant fear and awareness of the inevitable end (how morbid you want to take that is up to you)
Just noticed that this film breaks Pixar's own 5 rules for storytelling
Oh my God, yes.
What are those rules just wondering
@@mrps2dvd2770 th-cam.com/play/PLY6PCL9ylnRSaO608L0ocvzxusr_35XfC.html
There's actually 10
They really need to take a different genre. Making us cry 80% is getting really cliche.
Martyn, I hear ya. After watching Toy Story 4 and seeing the trailers for Onward, I've decided that the whole Pixar model of a grand adventure/road trip movie that also tugs at your heartstrings is bland now. It's like as long as they make us feel feelings, they think their job is done.
I don't care what anyone says: Toy Story 4 is noncanon.
I wish 😞😭
Whats ypur favourite KOF game?
Yeah
I don't think anyone really cared about the forth movie, there wasn't much talk about it other than how good the animation quality was
I agree, they need to burn this one.
Toy Story 4 is probably the best most unnecessary film I've ever seen.
@Robert Brookes the only reason this film may have “needed” to exist is for Pixar to flex their gorgeous animation and cinematography
It’s way better than 3. 3 ruined Woody’s character arc.
@Eye Conqueror I would like to respectfully disagree
Eye Conqueror How? Please explain?
Robert Brookes 3 was the oddball of the franchise. 1, 2 and 4 are the ones that are connected through story and Woody’s arc. 3 was basically just a prison break movie, it wasn’t bad, but it wasn’t as amazing as 1 or 2, and 4 through story and Woody’s arc.
Aside from the end of the film, emotionally I felt nothing. Michael Myers’s mask showed more emotion than me watching this movie.
It's funny how the franchise started with inanimate, empty eyed plastic dolls going through genuinely human and multifaceted character arcs, to the point where you stop thinking of them as mere toys, and ends with a movie that feels distinctly plastic in all respects, stripping all characters down to their basic marketable qualities, and looks so realistic the characters all have an uncanny valley affect to them, somehow ending up as the least visually and thematically satisfying movie of all of them.
It's dramatic irony that breaks Pixar's own rules of storytelling.
Like the heavy emphasis on family and friendship present throughout 1-3, only for 4 to have Bonnie throw Woody out and get obsessed over Forky, and Woody ending up leaving the gang for Bo Peep despite Buzz rescuing him for Andy in the second.
Not to mention all three of them, on a meta level, would be exactly what a toy would go through if it were granted sentience:
1. Toy gets envious of new toy owner gets, wants to get rid of it but ends up being friends with it later on.
2. Toy realizes it isn't a single toy, part of a lineup of discontinued toys, has to decide whether to stay with those toys or stay with owner's. Chooses third option.
3. Toy realizes owner grows up, can't play with it forever, goes to daycare, the daycare is Toy Hell, gets found by little kid and so the toy wants to stay with it and bring along buddies.
The fourth one is so much of a weird marketing stunt to make *TOY STORY CHARACTER UNBOXING/MERCH EGG OPENING* videos on TH-cam so the franchise can stay relevant in the public consciousness that it hurts.
Like, I'm entirely convinced that's why they made another movie. Nothing can die anymore, so they have to pump out another Toy Story with the flimsy justification of answering where the fuck Bo Peep went in 20 years.
I also think the film is unnecessary but I have to disagree with you on Toy Story 4 looking too realistic it looks good visually.
Toy story 4 had the most heart of all the movies gabby gabby alone is better than anything in the other movies
@@Anthonycheesman33 Gabby gabby was a complete waste of a character. The way she is written is cheap and her only real purpose in the story is to extend its length. If she had been written with any kind of consistency then either the beginning would make no sense or the ending would make no sense; take your pick. That's because her actions and motivations as a character come second to the plot. Because she has basically no character, she's just a plot contrivance, an obstacle to make the movie last longer and tries to justify her screen time by begging for audience sympathy through the lens of her abandonment issues. It's basically the same villain, again, for the third time in a row and it's getting old.
By the end of the movie, it's almost impossible to imagine why people are so frightened of her. She never really does anything all that bad and what she does do as an antagonist seem completely at odds with her personality by the time they get around to establishing her as a character. Once the movie's blatant manipulation subsides, what you're left with is a story stuck, spinning its wheels for 40 minutes. The Prospector in Toy Story 2 is everything Gabby is, only with much better writing.
@@DrOmni shes easily the best written character in the franchise and is prob the best written villain in the last 20 years easily.
When I first saw the trailers for Toy Story 4, my initial thought was. "They're making another one!?" and then followed by "What the heck are they going to do this time?"
Easy: They're going to tarnish and ruin every character they want to focus on- that's how.
Exactly!
Now Number 5 is coming out Next year
I didn’t understand why so many people liked it
*nostalgia*
They like Bo Peep meets "Tomb Raider" and a spork.
The real life drama with Toy Story characters inserted.
"I don't understand how someone disagrees with me"
Because it looks pretty
Cause it's Pixar. Pixar could make an animated gangbang and people would like it.
Toy Story ended with the third
How about Toy Story of Terror? That special was beautiful.
@@thunderbird1921 that shouldve been toy story 4, not this💯
@@iceetheskater6052 Toy Story of Terror was so beautiful and hilarious that I actually enjoy it over TS3 (and it's MILES above TS4). In addition to Jessie's beautiful display of family love to Woody (I'm 90% sure they're siblings), they took the comedy to a whole new level (although the hand signals joke was kind of lame). I could easily have watched that for another hour or two. I would have loved to have seen Woody's reaction when he realized Jessie willingly got INTO A BOX to save him! That must have been the most emotional hug they ever had. Toy Story that Time Forgot wasn't too shabby either.
Thunderbird 1 I think he means about movies. The specials and shorts were like an expansion from elements from the previous movies so they are good
Toy Story 3 is objectively the last film in the series no debate.
The Toy Story trilogy is my favorite trilogy ever and it sucks that this cash-grab ruined the franchises' reputation as a whole. All the complaints you brought up were mine own as well but they bothered me more and some complaints I had that you didn't mention:
The setting was mostly just at the carnival and it got kind of stale and boring to see the same set for a good chunk of the film
The farewell scene felt rushed and should've better longer for what they were going for
The film brings up what a toy actually is which is interesting but quickly discards it and forgets about it
Why does Bonnie stop playing with Woody and ONLY Woody
It's unrealistic for Woody to conventionally find Bo Peep at this one carnival and see her at this one specific time
Woody has been unplayed with for only a few months, meanwhile he continued to get Andy's attention for years after he grew up
Bonnie actually brings Woody along on the road trip with er, so that shows that she still somewhat cares for him
The old cast of characters is a big middle finger to the fans since they all do absolutely nothing except sit in an RV for the entire time
The new characters are at best whatever, honestly couldn't stand Bunny and Ducky for most of the film
Randy Newman has one new song and its just decent but forgettable, plus they reuse a bunch of music from the old films
Forky jumping into a trash can gets old after the fourth time and is just infuriating when he does it the 20th or so time
This movie was just bad, not even a passable or good film, and its really bad for Pixar standards 4/10
The emotionally satisfying and beautiful ending to Toy Story 3 "perfectly" capped Pixar's trilogy, according to Toy Story 4 director Josh Cooley. However, the folks at Pixar knew they had one more story to tell when it came to Woody. At a Pixar screening event, Cooley joined producers Jonas Rivera and Mark Neilsen to explain why it was so important to revisit the world of Woody, Buzz, and the rest of Andy's toys. “We love the end of Toy Story 3," Cooley. "It ends Woody and Andy's story perfectly. We realized there is more story to tell to continue Woody's story. And once we started going down the path… we hit upon something that was worth telling."
Under the Andy regime, Woody was always the head organizer and leader of the other toys. He was Andy’s favorite, the chosen one who got to go on trips to Pizza Planet and develop the closest bond with the boy of the house. But at Bonnie’s place, things are different. Dolly, the purple-haired rag doll who’s got seniority on Woody in this new workplace of sorts, assumes the authority-figure role among the toys.
In Toy Story 4, Woody struggles in his new life with Bonnie. He has her name on his boot, but not her heart. When Bonnie wants to play, she often leaves Woody behind on the floor of her closet. She even takes Woody’s sheriff badge and pins it on Jessie instead. It becomes clear that Bonnie doesn’t have much use for Woody anymore. Woody can't help comparing his new owner to his previous kid, and soon realizes that Bonnie doesn't seem to need him the way Andy did. Bonnie never had a true relationship with Woody.
1. Woody, a cowboy, is designed more for males than females.
2. Bonnie’s a child in the 21st century, and Woody is a doll made in the ‘50s. That was revealed in Toy Story 2 as the Woody’s Roundup show was in black and white.
Bonnie was just changing her tastes and having her attention diverted somewhere else. She’s not a bad person for that. Even so, Woody is determined to do his part. So when it’s time for kindergarten orientation, he sneaks into Bonnie’s backpack, insistent that he must go with her because she’ll need a friend in this unfamiliar environment, even though Bonnie has made it clear that if she needed a friend, she probably wouldn’t choose Woody. All the other toys beg him not to go. He does it anyway. I realize this is a Disney-Pixar movie. But watching Woody’s insistence on inserting himself into a situation where he’s no longer needed made me think: it’s representing a real-life phenomenon in which older men refuse to step aside so that a new generation can step up, take charge, and prove that they are capable of running the show as well as capitalizing on opportunities and benefits that older men have enjoyed for decades. It also marks a shift in the point of view of the Toy Story movies. Bonnie trying to survive by herself can be struggling by adapting to slightly more advanced environments. Everyone has that certain something they need to help them through tough times.
All your toys are trash. If they’re not in the garbage yet, they will be soon. Yes, even your most precious early aughts era McFarlane Toys Jason X Movie Maniac figure. I’m impressed that you’ve kept a hold of it for this long, but sooner or later you’re going to turn your back, and your mom, dad, brother, sister, wife, husband, father-time, peer-pressure, whatever will chuck it in the dustbin. Society tells us that we have to grow up, and even the Toy Story trilogy finished with the ultimate joy-killer of adulthood ruining Andy’s imagination by steering his plastic friends into the arms of the still-willfully creative child Bonnie. She’ll love them for now, but she’ll grow out of it, too. Kids lose interest in their toys someday. It’s totally normal. Jessie’s heartbreaking “When She Loved Me” in Toy Story 2 is proof.
If the first Toy Story was asking “What if toys were alive?", Toy Story 2 "What happens to toys when we grow up?" and Toy Story 3 the same but in a more concrete manner, then Toy Story 4 is stepping away to get to the core. It's asking, plainly, "What is a toy anyway?"
That's in the discussion from the opening sequence where Woody is torn between his own interests and duty to Andy, and pushed to the fore by Forky's creation via affection. Up until this movie, it was simple. Per Buzz recounting what he learned from Woody in Toy Story 2, "life's only worth living if you're bein' loved by a kid." But what does that say about life when a child grows up, or when you're left in the closet in favor of others? How can idealism really hold up to the real world? What Toy Story 4 finds is a less direct form of love. It's not just about a singular, personal relationship but the grand web of life one can find themselves in.
And, of course, while Toy Story is ostensibly asking questions about the nature of toys in fictional confines, it's really going much deeper than that. The entire series is dealing with heady questions of human existence - of being replaced, of being broken, of loss - and since Toy Story 2 and Jessie's heartbreaking "When She Loved Me", it's been more directly addressing the constant fear and awareness of the inevitable end (how morbid you want to take that is up to you)
*The farewell scene felt rushed and should've better longer for what they were going for*
I wished it was longer too, non-less, it hurt deeply.
*Why does Bonnie stop playing with Woody and ONLY Woody*
She is a girl, she prefers girl toys, therefore her preference for Jessy, the gang were animals and as for Buzz he has wings, light and buttons, even Andy lost interest in Woody compared to Buzz
*It's unrealistic for Woody to conventionally to...*
I mean, it was also unrealistic for a toy collector to find THE toy he was looking for at the exact time Woody was out, you won't question that?
*Woody has been unplayed with for only a few months, meanwhile he continued to get Andy's attention for years* *after he grew up*
He was unplayed for about a week I think? I remember the other toys making fun of how that was the third time that week, I did not get the second part
*Bonnie actually brings Woody along on the road trip with er, so that shows that she still somewhat cares for him*
Woody just was not played for a few days so...
*The old cast of characters is a big middle finger to the fans since they all do absolutely nothing*
Agree, it would be better if the movie was advertised as a Woody's movie
*Forky jumping into a trash can gets old after the fourth time and is just infuriating when he does it the 20th..*
Agree, they could have handle that better
Cloverfr I think that the original characters hogged the spotlight for long enough in the first three films. If you’re gonna make a new movie, you should introduce new characters. Woody, Buzz, Rex, Hamm, Bullseye and Slinky aren’t the only ones with stories.
And also: BONNIE IS NOT ANDY. People have many different tastes in things.
Then why was Bonnie having so much fun with Woody in the third one?
@@ForrestFox626 Bonnie thought Woody was a new toy, she didn't know he belonged to Andy and he had already been played with before. This is why she got upset when Andy hesitated to give Woody to her because she thought that was her toy. So of course he was going to get all the attention at first but now that Bonnie has all of Andy's other toys, Woody isn't going to get as much playtime like he used to.
I felt like someone digged out a hole inside of me and just left it when I finished the movie
I was just angry, like why would you manipulate me with my memories and then spit on it? WHY?
I can really understand why this movie was unneeded and mediocre.
The emotionally satisfying and beautiful ending to Toy Story 3 "perfectly" capped Pixar's trilogy, according to Toy Story 4 director Josh Cooley. However, the folks at Pixar knew they had one more story to tell when it came to Woody. At a Pixar screening event, Cooley joined producers Jonas Rivera and Mark Neilsen to explain why it was so important to revisit the world of Woody, Buzz, and the rest of Andy's toys. “We love the end of Toy Story 3," Cooley. "It ends Woody and Andy's story perfectly. We realized there is more story to tell to continue Woody's story. And once we started going down the path… we hit upon something that was worth telling."
Under the Andy regime, Woody was always the head organizer and leader of the other toys. He was Andy’s favorite, the chosen one who got to go on trips to Pizza Planet and develop the closest bond with the boy of the house. But at Bonnie’s place, things are different. Dolly, the purple-haired rag doll who’s got seniority on Woody in this new workplace of sorts, assumes the authority-figure role among the toys.
In Toy Story 4, Woody struggles in his new life with Bonnie. He has her name on his boot, but not her heart. When Bonnie wants to play, she often leaves Woody behind on the floor of her closet. She even takes Woody’s sheriff badge and pins it on Jessie instead. It becomes clear that Bonnie doesn’t have much use for Woody anymore. Woody can't help comparing his new owner to his previous kid, and soon realizes that Bonnie doesn't seem to need him the way Andy did. Bonnie never had a true relationship with Woody.
1. Woody, a cowboy, is designed more for males than females.
2. Bonnie’s a child in the 21st century, and Woody is a doll made in the ‘50s. That was revealed in Toy Story 2 as the Woody’s Roundup show was in black and white.
Bonnie was just changing her tastes and having her attention diverted somewhere else. She’s not a bad person for that. Even so, Woody is determined to do his part. So when it’s time for kindergarten orientation, he sneaks into Bonnie’s backpack, insistent that he must go with her because she’ll need a friend in this unfamiliar environment, even though Bonnie has made it clear that if she needed a friend, she probably wouldn’t choose Woody. All the other toys beg him not to go. He does it anyway. I realize this is a Disney-Pixar movie. But watching Woody’s insistence on inserting himself into a situation where he’s no longer needed made me think: it’s representing a real-life phenomenon in which older men refuse to step aside so that a new generation can step up, take charge, and prove that they are capable of running the show as well as capitalizing on opportunities and benefits that older men have enjoyed for decades. It also marks a shift in the point of view of the Toy Story movies. Bonnie trying to survive by herself can be struggling by adapting to slightly more advanced environments. Everyone has that certain something they need to help them through tough times.
All your toys are trash. If they’re not in the garbage yet, they will be soon. Yes, even your most precious early aughts era McFarlane Toys Jason X Movie Maniac figure. I’m impressed that you’ve kept a hold of it for this long, but sooner or later you’re going to turn your back, and your mom, dad, brother, sister, wife, husband, father-time, peer-pressure, whatever will chuck it in the dustbin. Society tells us that we have to grow up, and even the Toy Story trilogy finished with the ultimate joy-killer of adulthood ruining Andy’s imagination by steering his plastic friends into the arms of the still-willfully creative child Bonnie. She’ll love them for now, but she’ll grow out of it, too. Kids lose interest in their toys someday. It’s totally normal. Jessie’s heartbreaking “When She Loved Me” in Toy Story 2 is proof.
If the first Toy Story was asking “What if toys were alive?", Toy Story 2 "What happens to toys when we grow up?" and Toy Story 3 the same but in a more concrete manner, then Toy Story 4 is stepping away to get to the core. It's asking, plainly, "What is a toy anyway?"
That's in the discussion from the opening sequence where Woody is torn between his own interests and duty to Andy, and pushed to the fore by Forky's creation via affection. Up until this movie, it was simple. Per Buzz recounting what he learned from Woody in Toy Story 2, "life's only worth living if you're bein' loved by a kid." But what does that say about life when a child grows up, or when you're left in the closet in favor of others? How can idealism really hold up to the real world? What Toy Story 4 finds is a less direct form of love. It's not just about a singular, personal relationship but the grand web of life one can find themselves in.
And, of course, while Toy Story is ostensibly asking questions about the nature of toys in fictional confines, it's really going much deeper than that. The entire series is dealing with heady questions of human existence - of being replaced, of being broken, of loss - and since Toy Story 2 and Jessie's heartbreaking "When She Loved Me", it's been more directly addressing the constant fear and awareness of the inevitable end (how morbid you want to take that is up to you)
Toy Story 4 was unneeded but not necessarily bad. Besides money, I think their goal was to introduce a new generation of kids to the Toy Story franchise. That’s why they sidelined characters who kids couldn’t relate to like Jesse, Rex, etc. They did tarnish Woody’s character by making him leave Bonnie because he isn’t played with. I also think it didn’t feel like a Toy Story 4 with the cutaway gags and all the weird stuff. It also kind of cut off Woodys character development at the end of 3 when he’s over Andy and let’s him go. But in 4, Woody references Andy a numerous amount of times which was kind of weird. It wasn’t necessarily bad, it just wasn’t needed.
YES FINALLY SOMEONE WHO SHARES MY OPINION
After watching Toy Story 4 I will forever believe it should have never existed. Toy story ended at the 3rd movie for me.
Its like if they made a Back to the Future 4, and at the end Doc decides to leave his wife and kids in the old West and help other scientists build time machines.
Ikr?
Toy story 2: never leave your owners
Toy story 4: forget your owners they don’t matter.
Toy story 4 : Woman power, men stupid
RiptideV10 lol
Incredibles 1 : wife : Don't do hero stuff it was bad, Husband : Do hero stuff, quarrels happens,
Incredibles 2 : Wife : Don't do hero stuff it was bad, Wife : Do Hero Stuff, No quarrels whatsoever
Wreck it Raplh : Don't jump games, embrace who you are no matter what others says.
Ralph breaks the internet : Reject who you are, be free, Jumping game is a must.
what's with this moronic sense of freedom this movies preaches about? And yeah all the male main characters were massively downgraded and regressed for no apparent reason.
Aivre Escend yeah the messages in those movies are both hypocritical and very stupid, if they where intended or not I don’t know.
@@aivreescend7945 @hindu_frappe
The only one regressed was Buzz (and it seemed like it was for comedy purposes, but because they wanted to make him a weak beta like your "woke" behind is whining about). Also, Woody wasn't downgraded. His arc was about trying to find a purpose, after he realizes that Bonnie doesn't treat him the same as Andy.
Also, Toy Story 4's message wasn't "forget your owners, they don't matter". Woody wanted Bonnie to matter, but he had to find a different place in the world, because he knew that Bonnie wouldn't be able to fill the hole that Andy life. You could literally simply anything.
Me: "Syndrome is a spoiled kid who kills people because he has hero issues".
See? If you think Toy Story 4 is about "women power men stupid", then you're just looking for a way to complain about non-existence agenda in a movie. Grow up.
As for the take on the Incredibles 1, that movie had Mr. Incredible going behind his wife's back, which got him in trouble. The sequel has them coming to a *mutual agreement* about Elasticgirl going on missions. And don't forget that there was a quarrel about crime fighting and going back into being a superhero right after they fought the Underminer. There was even that intense dinner scene, *and* that scene where Mr. Incredible and Elastic talk about how they're afraid of going back into fighting, because they want to think about kids first. So there was definitely some quarreling going on. I'm sorry, but did you even watch the movie?
15:20 Woody never attempted to kill Buzz, he just wanted to pull a prank on him, so that Andy would pic him for Pizza Planet but it backfired horribly.
Yep. Just wanted to knock him behind the desk.
All I can say is whoever are the writers have no sense of respect for the characters personality.
“To do what Woody, watch kids from behind glass and never be loved again. Some life”
Buzz-1999
"Buzz!, YOLO!!!"
I recommend a Caroline diss track to get over her
you reckon i do that ? just get in the studio and lyrically slay my ex ? that could be pretty fun actually !
@@colephelps2405 Definitely, put it all in track, it will be cathartic and people will love it!
Lets make something absolutely clear. You NEVER make a side character a main character in a sequel.
Even as the other toys made it out of "side characters" and into "secondary characters" from TS1 to TS2 and TS3, Bo Peep was always a D-tier side character.
Tell that to "Finding Dory".
Wait why? What’s your problem with it?
@@alexbennet4195 cars 2
HannahThe FallenAngel: But then there’s Bumblebee?
It depends if the side character can hold theirselves well being a protagonist in a movie. Though unfortunately most do not, and judging Bo's character, it would not have worked as a main character, which is probably the biggest reason they changed Bo into an entirely different character
"Er Woody, what about everything we've been through?"
"What about THAT THICCCASS BUZZ!?"
Lmao
He chose hoes before bros
FINALLY!!! A channel that agrees that Toy Story 4 is not a Perfect movie!beautiful animation but a terrible sequel.
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Toy Story 4 defence in a nutshell. 😡
@@kieranstark7213 lol