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- Rick Rubin is a record producer who has worked with multiple award winning artists including the Geto Boys, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Public Enemy, The Cult, Danzig, Kanye West, The Beastie Boys, Black Sabbath, and Johnny Cash. He is the co-founder of Def Jam Recordings with Russell Simmons, and head of American Recordings
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The Joe Rogan Experience #1881 - Rick Rubin
In this video:
Joe Rogan
Rick Rubin
Jamie Vernon
That’s the toughest part of trying to record your own vocals in an apartment. There’s always that feeling that someone else is going to hear you
Or…. Literally just living in an apartment building lol. Sure it’s not homeless, but it never feels 100% private lol
hmm interesting, i think that's a person by person basis- lived in an apartment for years and never felt that
I do fine in mine I just wear headphones , but I don’t record vocals . Headphones and having your own room works fine IMO
yeah, I never feel confident enough in my apartment to really record vocals (other than some pilot tracks that go to trash after I record them properly somewhere else), even if I'm on my own, I would love to have some kind of private musical space to record, write, rehearse and produce, but this is just a dream for now lol
@@TomaszKalusMusic what’s sick is if you have a laptop you can just bring your mic / interface to the middle of knowhere and record vocals . I’ve done it before quite a few times . It’s sick and fun on a day off !
He’s completely correct. I got offered to do some songs at a recording studio owned by a label. It was my first time recording with other people, I was so nervous that I told them I needed them to turn off every light so I could sing because I didn’t want them to see me. Anytime I made a song there, I would go home and record what I already did and because I felt more comfortable, it came out A LOT better than my takes at the studio. It’s important to be comfortable and be okay with being vulnerable when you’re making music, because after all…that’s what you want people to feel when they listen.
This guy gets it. Someone should hire him
It's cool Joe finds these unknown new creators. I hope this beard guy succeeds one day.
Lol this comment deserves more likes
😂😂😂😂😂
I get the sense that he's going to be a big hit one day
He did a bad job with weezer
While pro studios are beautifully equipped with the greatest gear, they can also be quite intimidating, too, particularly to those who haven’t recorded in a pro studio before.
I’ve worked as an engineer in all kinds of studios over the past 4 decades, both pro studios and little home project studios alike, and I’ve seen far more musicians and vocalists struggle in the bigger pro studios than they have in the smaller studios.
One common thing I’ve seen happen, countless times in the big, pro studios, is what’s known in studio lingo as “red light” syndrome, a phrase used to describe how performers “freeze up” when they know they’re being recorded, and because they’re in an environment that’s completely new to them…it has nothing to do with how talented or accomplished they may be, or how many times they’ve performed live in front of big crowds, it’s just because they feel intimated, like they’re under a microscope, and feeling insecure about everything they do.
Rick Rubin’s comments about how crucial it is to provide a comfortable space for the artists he works with is spot-on, because it doesn’t matter how expensive or cutting edge a studio’s gear is, if the performers can’t perform at their best, or in some cases, not perform at all.
Not only do the artists need to relax, they also need to feel secure enough to occasionally fail as well, without feeling self conscious about it…they need to feel comfortable enough to try new things, new ideas, and to stretch beyond their normal abilities, which can often result in wonderful “capturing lightning in a bottle” performances…but that can sometimes also result in ways that aren’t desirable as well, and they need to feel safe, knowing they won’t be “judged” or made to feel self conscious for those times when their creative experimentations don’t work out for the best.
I have no doubt whatsoever that a big part of the success of the artists that have recorded with Rick is because of the safe environment that he creates for them to be creative. 😊
FWIW.
The man speaks truth! I feel so creatively suffocated trying to create music in an apartment with thin walls. Just impossible to fully let loose and try new stuff. Headphones are starting to feel like a prison! Could be worse, but man! I used to rent a space and I had what he's describing at one point. Goddamn do I miss that space!
My mum used to work late nights when I was younger. I had the whole house to myself each night. Seems like heaven now looking back. Lots of music was made. Not so much these days.
Find an older building with concrete walls. I live in a building that’s 100 years old. My apartment is an inspiring music studio first, cool living space second.
If you're going to live that way, recon is a must. Meaning you must learn the scheduling of every adjacent tenant down to the second and strike within the shadow mark.
@@sandwich-breath would love to see pictures. I’m trying to find some kind of building/loft to move my studio and live right there for a while.
Go to a studio… respectfully saying this. Not everyday but once a month or something
There is an artist named ''Paul Westerberg'' who was the frontman of the influencal band ''The Replacements'' and one of his producers always made sure to be able to set up microphones in the room quickly to record even though it didn't sound perfect. He did that because Paul Westerberg used to improvise or just play something a lot and sometimes it was very beautiful sounding but he could never remember what he exactly played because every take is different.
What I want to say is when you are recording or just rehearsing it is good to still record it because you might perform a take which isn't perfect but magical. I had that a couple of times and regret having recorded it in the room.
Get the book or audio Trouble Boys ,Westerberg was never happy with the production on the Mats albums. He sought physicriatric help when the whole grunge thing took off,felling he got ripped off. The Mats way ahead of their time!
@@sarahcobetto5613 I was talking about Matt Wallace and Paul's 90s albums. Thank you for the information
the replacements are one of the greatest rock bands ever
i swore i read awhile ago that prince used to have mics set up all over his house for the same reason
@@clearya18 Wow, interesting. Actually Prince and Paul Westerberg were from the same city. They knew each other well.
I used headphones for mixing almost exclusively. Waves Audio has a plugin that emulates a stereo/3D audio environment that factors-in everything from your actual speaker locations to the circumference of your head. After mixing and then deactivating the plugin, your mix is ridiculously good.
This ^ doesn’t replace a proper studio. But if you want to get where you can feel right with minimal overhead and distraction, it’s a nice pocket knife to have.
What is the name of the plugin?
@@arianapadilla8467 Waves NX. There are a few variants of them, but the main one is more than effective.
@@snail415 Thanks!
I'm pretty sure he's talking about the creativity process in production, though, and not mixing.
@@dantepatel I’m aware of that. But when people are trying to make music in apartments and completely frustrated, feeling like they also can’t overcome the quality hurdle….here I am. You’re welcome.
Rick Rubin is a great producer, and someone you would want in your corner. The whole idea of vibes is very important, especially when creating new Melodies!
music is mysterious and magical, u simply can't give a formula for making a song work, music is 100% all emotions feelings and vibe, what type of impression u give, what u feel, how confident u r, all are much bigger factors than the equipment, technique, music theory etc. great songs surely has all ingrediens but most important one is the feeling
The most important thing for an artist is the sound and the ability to hear your band mates. The best experience I ever had was at a place on west 7th in vancouver where motley cruel, def leopard, bon Jovi,Aerosmith recorded. The room was incredible. It sounded like you were playing in a roman amphitheater.
yee buddy. Little mountain was an amazing place to record!
I definitely notice a difference in the type of music I make when it's just me and my headphones versus when I'm making it through my monitors and the people I live with can hear it, or if I'm somewhere even more public and try to make music. I find that I'm much less self-conscious, more confident, and more daring the more alone I am.
I use IEMs at home and feed some pink noise and rain sounds into them as well as into my room then have the monitoring mix go into the IEMs. This way I feel like I have two layers of protection. Of course, I also double check that all the windows are closed and that it’s a reasonable hour of the day. A few times I forgot to close the windows haha. Anyway, all I do differently when it’s actually time to really record is cut the rain sound into the room. I don’t even notice it’s missing. As someone who was a very insecure singer, this has been working for me.
its unconditional self love. heavenly mindset
That is so cool! Dude this Rubin episode and then Anthony Keidis have been the best!
Sounds like a beautiful experience for the Strokes near the ocean. Always loved the Funky Monks documentary about RHCP recording Blood Sugar Sex Magic. Always inspiring.
My dream job would be to be Rick's studio assistant, but my only real responsibility would be to make coffee. And just be there in case anybody wanted coffee. If the coffee was made and served, then, as long as I was quiet and unobtrusive, I could just sit around in the back and observe...
I've done it. You wouldn't see anything but him sitting there and nodding while other people made a record.
@@akakgak Heh...
@@akakgak exactly. I’m sick of this fraud.
I wanna be the df in the booth that says “you’re in” but makes it sound like “urine”. Not that I’ve ever done anything remotely that stupid in an any recording session anywhere ever..
@@akakgak Chris Lord-Alge is the best producer in the world and he still does the same thing. That's what audio production is. Listening to a band record. People who don't know a fucking thing about audio production won't understand how much work goes in to shaping raw tracks into the full audio you hear on a record
Did he say working on a new album with the Strokes ... hell ya!
I have a bedroom studio right now, my second and I'm glad that I do. In the spring we're moving to my father-in-law's house and I'm building a studio in the basement. We'll be sound proofing the ceiling as best we can but since it'll be in the crawl space, it only has a 6 foot high ceiling. Good thing I"m 5'9"! Lot's of acoustic treatment will be involved. It'll be cozy but it'll be my sanctuary!
small basement studio r the best. low ceiling even better. no "natural" reverb that will fuck with your listening.
Man right when joe asked that question i screamed “its the most important part!” My creative space is so crucial to my craft I often dream about the best creative spaces imaginable, like a studio over looking the New York skyline or the swiss alps or Los Angeles
"I need to do a podcast in a water floating chamber"
Joe Rogan
Joe would be the type to podcast in a sensory depravation tank.
When you’re right you’re right. Very good points made by Rick
You gotta fight for your right, recording...! 🎶
This guy is a wizard. It's so odd. He's not a musician, but he's some sort of musical ambiance type, genius, or some shit man. It's crazy.
@Br So Couldn't have said it better.
Rick Please show us those videos too 🙏🏽 that whole crib on the mountain sounds wonderful
I love this man and the chili peppers
This is exactly why I built my own studio. Converted an old office on the edge of the city into a 3500 sq ft space exactly to my liking
Will you hire me?
intense
Unrelatable comment to 99% of people but thanks.
It's all about the headspace I absolutely agree.
I absolutely hate it, I've made my best music when it's been about 7 people in one room when I'm alone with a producer I feel really off and takes a lot of the fun of performing out
Rick Rubin absolutely understands. That is all I'll say.
He does have experience
almost 40 years of carreer producing and mixing best artists around...he totally understands :))
I feel like this is what I’ve been waiting for my whole life to record the best music I can possibly create. The safe space to be vulnerable while recording. I love Rick and his work more than any other producer. He’s the best and I wish in some other life time I could work with him. Aho
one of joe's best questions
those outside the creative process can either hamstring it or enable it's greatness. depends on those involved. usually, the least amount of distractions the better the output from the creatives. rubin gets this.
The most important thing is a comfy couch that you can lay on with no shoes on.
Basically, Rick is describing the situation in a playroom unsupervised by parents. I have long since created a studio of this kind. It is my protected retreat cave, where I can forget space and time, where I can play, where I CAN create things, not HAVE to. But the broader aspect of this issue, in my opinion, is that these conditions should be created not only in a "sacred creative temple" called a recording studio, but everywhere people "live". Life itself is already fundamentally a form of creativity. If you remove the pressure to perform, evaluation, devaluation, and the need to succeed, playful creativity emerges. (Try to force a child to "have fun") But of course this also requires that people want to play, WANT to create something. And this we unlearn piece by piece. In our together created system, which lives from the fact that each still so small need is served for money. We live in a global whorehouse in which everyone can be blown exactly according to his wishes. But it is and remains "just a whorehouse". Nobody who sells you something will ever love you for what you are. If we want to live as Rick describes, we have to create a life again that we WANT to live, not HAVE to live. Amen!😇🙏🏻🙈
Amen
word
@Br So nope. He won’t.
I’m married with 5 kids… and his comment is pretty darn accurate.
Everything he said is spot on ofc
That Joe Rogan moan/grunt at the end was so satisfying idk why lol
Joe has that grunt down.....He's been doing that a long time. He said that he wants to let his guests know he is engaged, listening and participating with whoever he interviews.
That's the noise he makes when devouring elk meat
@@alichamas63 😄
Word!
Lmao
Your home studio should be the best room in the house, where you want to lurk the most. That's my setup now, compared to my previous place where it was my least favorite room. Big difference in how much time I spend in the studio now.
Crazy, I thought I was the only one who also felt this 😅
Absolutely! It takes 1000 mistakes to create 1 usable content. Civilian audience won’t let you get passed the first mistake.
This dude seems like he has potential in music
@Mike Green it wasn’t a joke Mike
New album with the strokes. God bless it.
I'm looking forward to that. The Strokes have been my favorite band for like maybe the past 15 years or so.
The Strokes are a bunch of try hard rich kids who can't even come up with their own riffs.
@@p0llenp0ny They are one of the most important bands of the last 20 years. Don't matter what their background is. What they've done for modern music is groundbreaking and they are already cemented as greats.
Can't wait to see how it sounds, considering his claim of recording it outside. I don't see recording drums and vocals outside. Aren't there too many variables that can affect the sound and/or the microphones? Don't drums sound better recorded in a enclosed space? That being said, I love The Strokes and can't wait to check it out.
@@bsb1975 Yes, those vocals will be redone inside but the scratch vocals and rough tracks (including the drums) can be recorded outside. With close miking that's a no-brainer. Too many albums have proven this to be true over the decades.
2:43 great news for strokes fans
I got a spot.
It's haunted by memories of having my family and friends here.
Fifteen years of living and losing is quite a load on my mind, and I've tried to make it different, but sadness persists.
I have to find a way to get back to work. And to forget about the life I used to live here. I'm in year three of them being gone. I'd move, but I kinda' feel priced into this place, and feel I'd never find such a good spot for that price I pay to live here. That said, It's turned into more than just money that it's costing me.
They didn't support me anyway, so why am I sad?
I would still try to get out of there bro, sometimes you dont know what you need till its there
it happens fratello. i lost my best friend and musical companion and it took me years to find (musical) peace again. In my experience its not that much about the place but about "moving on". U're not a bad person if u move on. They still be with you 24/7 but in a better way
@@skriptico I've done a lot for myself since everything that happened.
My pens and markers will get used, and I will build more projects.
I realize that I'll never forget, but that it'll take forgiveness of myself, and to them.
Thanks for the support. Little things can mean everything.
This was a great episode.
blink 182 recorded their self titled album in a house. R.I.P Jerry Finn
Its hard to explain to my dad that leaving some empty cans of soft drinks where they are are needed
My dad supports me with giving me money to put out my music and telling people about it and im thankfull for it but the problem is he does not understand what creativity is and that you neef to use it when its in you or flowing this flow state shouldnt be Interrupted because than you need to re gain it.
I decided because my left ear hears worse now and 4 ent doctors couldnt really give me the answer what it is
That i dont take that effort in mixing Professional i just do everything to capture and keep the emotions in it
Its hard after 2 years just learning mixing to Just be like oh i cant hear most of it.
I just hope that its not a nerve damage or tumor.
The problem is its for so long that it could be something dumb but you dont get help
Here because they dont take you series when you are Young age.
If its something really bad it could be removed early but when nobody looks after it it could be Problematic but it could be just the eustachian tube misfunctioning so who knows but when warm water is on my right side of my body i feel it much different than the left side
Thats a really good point!
I personally dont have a door in my room(dont ask why), so every time i want to record my shitty vocal parts, i go to the bathroom and do this under a bunch of blankets. Not only does this help to get reed of echoes but i also feel less pressured by my roommates.
reminds me of when dethklok recorded an album in a nuclear submarine in the mariana trench.
I think I'm on the right path considering I have modular synthesizers taking up half my bed. Not sure how my bedroom feels to other people though.....
you should date a robot, they'd love it
You’ll never know
This is very true. I do my best work either alone or in small groups. When I’m in writing sessions I’ll usually go sit in some weird corner alone and ideas just start flowing
When Rubin says "we recorded it" does he mean, meeting the band once a month, sitting in the couch and saying "this is good" or "rewrite this part"? Not actually composing, mixing, arranging, editting, any of that.
It is interesting because I’ve heard a ton of artists say Rubin is barely there during the process and doesn’t really impart any of the guru vibes he’s giving here.
If anyone wants to listen to a better example of producers talking about their process, I recommend the Progressions podcast with Travis Ference or Lij Shaw’s “recording studio rockstars”
That's only since these days he is 'Rick Rubin' I think. He's arguably more famous than some of the artists he's worked with, which would put a weird unspoken pressure on artists to feel 'worth' his time. Dude has put in the work over years and years at this point. For the past 20 years or so, he hasnt needed to be in the studio 24/7. He's been an established for THAT long. With Likin Park for example, I know he would simply check in once all the grunt work was done and give pointers and advice. The real value of producers like Rubin is in his experience, and his ability to know exactly what a song needs after listening to it even just the once.
That's the engineer's job to record and be there the whole time. Rick comes in to listen to the tracks in progress and final tracks to give advice. Just look at his catalog, the process works IMO.
@@maxhowlett9661 again, that’s the “guru” vibe. But it’s not a full time producer like Dave Cobb or someone else. I don’t care for his style and some who have worked with him have said as much.
@@Eli_B3000 an engineer isn’t in charge of album direction and design. A producer is. A few people who have worked with Rubin have said they don’t care for his approach. I’m aware of his name on things, I’m speaking more of his actual presence.
@@NewHopeAudio I hear you, I'm sure he's invested more in some than others. I feel like I got a good grasp of his process via the multi episode doc about him, but I can see how that approach could be not helpful for some. Yet, his name is on many fantastic productions.
And then comes the invoice!☺️
If you’re using a home studio. You don’t need a condenser mic. Use a live mic, picks up only what’s directly in front of it. Less ambient noise less to filter out and or set up for. Use the analogue eq of a mixer at the point of the source as you record. Better than digital eq on your computer after the fact.
"Live mic" is not a type of microphone. I think you mean a cardioid pattern mic because those are less sensitive to sound arriving to the rear of the mic.
@@lucaslorenz8812 I’m from the UK we call it a live mic. A mic you would use for a gig. For example an sm 57/58 or even an sm7b. A cardioid dynamic mic if you will. Been around a long time. Played all over the globe. I’ll always call that a live mic.
I’m producing on the iPad now. I can now make music anywhere.
im a fine art artist and i can agree that being alone no pressure no deadline to create sparks something inside you to really put it out there.. everything you have. its when the artist is alone can he truly create something special.. even sports when you hear the greats working out after practice or shooting by themselves alone without a team.. something just sparks the mind to create and its fucking beatiful.. you can take away our money.. tax us to hell.. make us stay inside.. but you cant take away our human spirit and the creative mind. good always wins. the devil can best be beaten with patience having none himself..
4 comments! Really?
Mr Rubin is a certified G!
most people aren't creative, so they are not catching the points here, about being in a safe place to experiment to get something new and different and cool, because everyone in todays social media world has to play it safe, and put their best look forward.....
I was surprised watching other clips from this interview and the amount of hate in the comments for Rick. I don't get how you hate someone like that
@@AI-Consultant When you are creative you don't need all the nonsense he mention, you can create on a broken piano and being on construction.
@@nickepic1863 true, but i think he is talking about when you do creative things with more than yourself. a band, or a producer, or an engineer. being in a safe place in your mind, from judgement of others. and it's not even judgement, it could be your friend in the studio looking at their phone for 2 hours straight when your making the coolest idea come to life, then that might trick your mind thinking it might be boring and your off the mark when your not and you go a different direction because of that. Anyway, very subjective topic. I take away what i can get from it. I work alone and I am creative as f - so it doesn't really matter.
@@johnkiedis27 Amongst people who've worked in the music industry, the jig is up with RR. He's a legendary talent for picking winning material and artists. One of the best ever. But he's copped this "producer" role and people in the know understand he's taking credit - and royalty points - where it isn't due. His producer accolades aren't justified.
Well said Mr. Rubin
From reading the comments it sounds like this guy is the dj Khalid of the 90s lol
no man, he have lots of great records under his belt. Also khalid tho :))
This is also good dating advice 💯
He’s speaking facts right here
thank goodness. I wasn’t sure until your reassurance
@@Paul-dw2cl ur welcome ☺️
that mansion budget hit different
I dont think the right ambiance is necessary, But I believe the room you are in will affect the music you make in some way. I have noticed significant style and feel changes going from a buddys practice basement, Back to my bedroom, Then another buddys bedroom to his basement and back to my first house. They have all influenced my music in many ways
Agree. place ure in affects your writing. It happens to me. Probably will happen to others. :)
I’m doing my PHD thesis on this! Gold
A new album with the strokes?? Was he talking about the new abnormal?
Sounds like a good way to live, too.
That’s exactly why we have so much shit music today. With Comedy you need to try stuff out and if it bombs you don’t use it. With music the radio will be paid to play anything a thousand times a day until you like it
Shit and Shinola is not a new thing.
I DIdnt realize you came here to costa rica bro nice,,, saludes pura vida mae
He looks like a music guru. Thank you, Mr Rubin, for supporting new creators
My car used to be that place for me
Set and setting
I'd love to play on a mountain in front of nature and the Ocean
why do they always have headphones in JR ?
Strokes fans if they made it to the end… 🤩
Yep
This is so zen.
i had to have a home studio to effectively make music.
15 albums later im glad i did
That's exactly why I made my own studio, after 30 albums I'm happy I did
I would hire him. After I win the lottery. I can't pull off A Costa Rican Mountain Ocean Concert, at this time.
Wise words
What happened to this podcast? Its not online?
this is exactly why the NICU music studio is such a sanctuary
literally everyone who comes into it remarks on how it just feels like a shrine to music and synths
you FEEL it as soon as you walk in and close the door
even though it's just one room in the corner of the larger family house, I've made a huge effort to turn the former master bedroom into a secret garden for music making :)
Legend has it Rick was actually producing 4 albums while doing this interview
Waiting for that The Strokes albumm
I feel sometimes my creativity as song writer and multi-instrumentalist comes always on those times there is some element that is agaist it. If i have the quiet place and everything is ok and i use my best recording gear the results are often not as good when i did the demo to my phone and did not care about a thing. Best music and playing seem to come easier when it ge'ts recorded with potatoes. I have many bootleg recordings of bands from the 70's i like and always the one's where the band has best playing feel, one's with the best guitar solo's happen to be those that have lesser qualty recording. Why it's always so? This does not mean that if you start just recording with potatoes it will be all good but if you think about it how much good music is not ever been recorded. I think there are all the best stuff. You have to catch some of it and maybe it comes easier with 50% qualty loss couse the feeling is that this will not sound good anyway so i can play. It's also helpfull to not tell the musicians if you are recording. I happen to always be in a good flow state to play a good piano take if there is loud construction noises coming from the next apartment. It's like It tries to come when it knows it can't be catched and when you do it's miracle like the live recording of Crossroads by Cream
It's like something has to go wrong everytime couse the universe can't be 100% in order anytime. Is it gonna be the playing and feel of it or something else. It's better be something else
Thats so hard to explain to someone who dont have clue...
Did RR rip that vibe off from Portugal the man
Yep the environment matters.
Did he NOT want to say "safe space"?... ha ha!!
New Strokes album fuck yes
I understand not wanting to leave Costa Rica.
bro speaking FACTS
and here i am living in the most expensive city in canada trying to figure out what to do, everything so damn expensive sigh.
It needs a couch where Rubin can nap while the engineer produces the record for him.
A legit style of production but yeah
Pretty much
Foul
A nutless monkey could be the sound engineer but if Rick is the producer it will still sound great. Not because of the engineer. Rick has done without those obsessive nerds patching cables and EQing the mix endlessly. A band's sound doesn't take a leap when they hire an engineer, it's when they get a label to provide them with a compatible producer.
Someone seems salty 🤣🤣🤣
Totally!! 💡
anybody know what kind of glasses rick is wearing?
Yo mama glasses😝
This guy, I bet he is going to be big and one of the best in the biz.
hes big alright.... uh
@@user-zv7lm8uk7h joke
Billy corgan shape-shifter is rick.
Were is the trampoline gotta have trampoline
Rubin is spot on with his evaluation. There is a reason why he's a top dawg.
I JUST GOT OFF DRUGS NOT LONG AGO..
AND THIS IS GONNA SEEM LIKE A REALLY WEIRD THING TO WRITE .
BUT IM JUST GETTING OVERWHELMING EMOTIONS FROM THIS...
JUST LIKE OVERWHELMING MY BEING TO THE POINT I HAD TO SAY SO ANF I DONT KNOW WHY.
WHEN YOUVE FELT NOTHING FOR SO LONG..
SUDDENLY YOU FEEL EVERYTHING..
I DONT KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS BUT THE TALK ABOUT "THIS IS THE FIRST TIME RECORDING IN THE NEW HOUSE IS HITTING ME OVERWHELMINGLY HARD ON A PSYCHIC LEVEL.".
( SORRY I DONT KNOW HOW ELSE TO DESCRIBE IT.