Joel Klatt explains conference realignment & how it affects college football | Joel Klatt Show
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- Joel Klatt analyzed the ACC conference realignment among seven schools in the conference. Joel explained the recent history of conference realignment and how it affects college football as a whole. He claimed that conference realignment will be a constant moving forward in college football. Joel explained how the TV deals were formed when they were signed versus how the reality is now. He explained why the NFL model for TV deals are different and why it works for them but not for college football.
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Sounds like Vandy will be in the ACC soon
Bunch of scrubs
Legal point (from a lawyer): To implement the plan that Mr. Klatt proposes, college football would likely require an anti-trust exemption from Congress.
Typically, competing institutions violate anti-trust law when they cooperate to implement industry-wide rules. For example, Google and Apple cannot agree to a "salary cap," nor can they limit college graduates to a single employer by use of a "draft." Major professional sports are permitted to engage in anti-competitive tactics because Congress has specifically exempted them from anti-trust law.
To secure an anti-trust exemption from Congress, college football will require a credible proposal from a credible governing body.
My advice: Joel Klatt for CFB commissioner!
If only universities were football only institutions and dispensed with the whole 'education' thing
Consolidating possible is a lose for eyeballs watching CFB. For every school cut out a certain amount of viewers drop off.
The Big 10 had one big game. Is one game really that big? They've had one really good football program for a long time. They aren't in the same galaxy as the Sec.
It’s not even about football results, it’s all about money. B10 schools have the biggest alumni’s bases by far. Even the schools that don’t do that great at sports have huge alumni bases
The Big Ten schools make 10 (ten) times more money through the BTAA than they make through football. Pretending the BTAA is of only secondary or tertiary importance is foolish.
I thought of an idea of just splitting CFB into 2 conferences of like the top 50 teams. 25 teams per conference/ 10 game schedules/ 32 team-5 week playoff so to win the Natty would be 15 games. As for the other teams left out of the conferences I thought of having a tier system somewhat like the premier league in England has and promoting/demoting the worst/best ~5 teams in either division. Obviously there would be more to it and to work out but I think that could fix a lot
If college football had that tier system over the last twenty years, how appreciable different would things look? Comparing different team sports is always iffy. Football is so much more expensive to field a team that 'bouncing' a team between levels is the surest way to convince a school its just not worth it.
@@richardloesser9554 99% of the 130ish teams in the FBS have 0 chance to win a national championship yet they still field teams. It’s actually more motivating because now they have a chance to win a lesser division national championship as opposed to some dumb bowl game.
Joel, good idea but it would need to be done for all college/university sports because of Title IX requirements. Equity is also important with women sports. So you need to expand your concept for all major sports. Cable also must be part of the package to get regional coverage. Angel USC'78
Why would the revenue generating sports agree to share their profits with the non-revenue generating ones? The football players are risking their heath playing a dangerous sport. The players can easily bypass Title IX by getting paid driect from their conferences or their own league whenever they break off from the NCAA to create their own own football league. The non-revenue generating sports are lucky they receive free scholarships. If they start requesting money they don't generate then they will be considered employees and the schools will eventually have no use for them as a business since they cost revenue to operate. Only the revenue generating sports need players unions to negotiate for their fair share of the TV revenue they generate. The non-revenue generating sports don't need them because they do not create any positive revenue so they should not be considered employees like the football players.
Roris, unfortunately, universities and colleges are subject to TITLE IX and WOMENS SPORTS will need to be included unless U.S. CONGRESS abolishes Title IX! This is NOT the NFL, so the NFL model will not fit as neatly as it may appear for some.
@@Conquistador4564 They already receive free scholarships so why do they deserve to be paid when they aren't generating any revenue? Who is going to pay them and where is the money coming from? Once they are considered employees they no longer fall under Title IX.
what are your thoughts about a power 2 existing with a "d 2 variation for the deadweight" that has relegation built into the model similar to how the soccer world works? For example the SEC pairs with the big 12 and the big 10 pairs with acc and have a relegation model for the "deadweight" schools with smarter distro cuts
If we could get a soccer style relegation system going, that would be great!
Written like a true fan of a team in little danger of relegation.
@@richardloesser9554 You're right, and teams who would be in danger of relegation should want it to. No one wants 50-70 point blowouts in FBS games anymore. Not the winner or the loser.
@@andreww.376 50-70 point blowouts happen in non-conference games, not conference games. What games are you watching? I don't accept a once-a-decade blowout as a cause to blow-up the system.
What do you think of conference realignment and how it impacts college football?
ANNUAL PLAYOFF FLEXIBILITY REMAINS THE KEY. As of May 18, 2023: Projected SEC25/B1G25 membership; you saw it here first:
SEC25:
UVA
Virginia Tech
UNC
NCSU
South Carolina
Clemson
Georgia
Alabama
Auburn
Arkansas
Kentucky
Missouri
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Florida
Florida State
Miami
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
LSU
Oklahoma
Texas A&M
Texas
Arizona State
Arizona
Projected B1G25:
Rutgers
Maryland
Penn State
Duke
Georgia Tech
Tulane
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Indiana
Purdue
Iowa
Illionois
Northwestern
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Nebraska
Colorado
Utah
Washington
Oregon
Cal
Stanford
USC
UCLA
Everyone else to Independence or the Big Lubbock25 and relegation.
This is an actual projection.
Kansas and Pitt get screwed.
A northeast wing of the Lubbock with the likes of Pitt, UConn, Syracuse, and maybe West Virginia seems likely to develop. (With the rigid North vs. South gone, West Virginia Independence loses a little luster... I know Arizona had that crazy Sheriff dressing up inmates in pink underwear or something, but had not quite figured them a slave state. ✌🤠✌).
The previous "full memo," as updated a couple times, now follows to show the full structure, and so the evolution from the info last August can be tracked:
(April 2023 update) ANNUAL PLAYOFF FLEXIBILITY IS THE KEY! Setting an ARBITRARY NUMBER of playoff slots before the season plays out is a FAILED MODEL.
Conferences also need 2 weeks in early December (if necessary) to determine their champions.
Take 2022 for example: The PAC needed a 4 team playoff (Washington, Oregon, Utah, and USC), but by some arbitrary algorithm, only Utah and USC were selected.
And for the 2022 National Championship, everyone knew we only needed 1 game: Michigan vs. Georgia, but because of the arbitrary (and in 2022 undeserved) 3rd and 4th spots, it got all screwed up and we never got to see it!
Here is the model we cobbled together from the Warren administration last year, with the 3 large conferences... Please note the flexibility and tradition preservation provided by the INDEPENDENT INVITATIONAL concept (1 or 2 games as any year may require).
Also note this model has West Virginia misplaced (assuming some influence from Senator Manchin). We see WV as gaining Protected Independent status in football, giving that last SEC25 slot to Tulane. (Independent corps: ND loose affiliation and all other sports in the B1G; BYU likewise the Third25, and WV with the SEC. The Service Academies should also join the Independent corps, if they decide to compete at the top levels of college athletics.)
(Original complete 25 memo) THE FULL PICTURE IS IN! -August 11, 2022
ND TO STAY INDEPENDENT;
MIAMI IS IN, JOINING THE SEC!
(They're going to 25)
THE NEW FULL MEMO ON COLLEGE FOOTBALL REALIGNMENT...
Please remember, as Commissioner Warren said, these things are planned well in advance...
To the B1G (FOX): Pitt, Stanford, Cal, Washington, Utah, Oregon, Kansas, Arizona and Colorado for 25 (all here mentioned are AAU schools).
To the SEC (ESPN): NC(aau), Duke(aau), UVA(aau), Clemson, Florida St., West Virginia, Georgia Tech(aau), Miami and Virginia Tech for 25.
Notre Dame (NBC) (and BYU?) will stay independent with playoff access. Look for an independent alliance to include ND, BYU and the service academies moving forward.
NOTE: Divisions are only for the purpose of assuring regional play and reducing travel, and could be annually flexible by school requests. These divisions are likely to be more relevant in non football sports. The football teams with the top 4 (at least, could go to 8 [flexibility?], culminating with the Rose Bowl) conference records will go to the conference semifinals in early or mid December regardless of their divisions, and the conference championships are to be played on New Year's Day (B1G/Rose, SEC/Sugar, Third25/Cotton).
B1G25 Southern Pacific division
Cal
USC
UCLA
Arizona
Utah
B1G25 Northern Pacific division
Colorado
Nebraska
Stanford
Oregon
Washington
B1G25 Great Plains division
Minnesota
Iowa
Kansas
Wisconsin
Illinois
B1G25 Great Lakes division
Indiana
Purdue
Northwestern
Michigan
Michigan State
B1G25 Union division
Rutgers
Maryland
Penn State
Pitt
Ohio State
Meet the SEC25:
Knowing that Pitt is going B1G, and 8 more ACC schools are going to the SEC, that's more than enough schools than needed to break the ACC contract.
Given the continuing regional continuity of the SEC, divisions will be even less significant than in the B1G. Maintaining certain rivalries and neighborly games will be more a matter of game "reservation" than divisional assignments. Again, the 4 (or 8, or a flexibility to assure fair access) best conference records of the SEC to play in semifinals in early December.
Texas
Oklahoma
Texas A&M
Arkansas
Kentucky
Missouri
LSU
Miss State
Ole Miss
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Florida St.
Georgia
Georgia Tech
South Carolina
Clemson
North Carolina
Duke
UVA
Virginia Tech
West Virginia
Miami
The rest to comprise TheThird25 conference with access relegation to playoff eligible divisions (similar to Euro soccer leagues) with guaranteed football playoff slots for their top teams every year. (Realignment for non football sports in this third conference, as membership could include 40 or so schools, with likely only 25 members of which will start the football season with access to the national playoff, more permanent regional sub conferences will be needed, and allowing these regional divisions to develop organically is expected to be one of the final components, and possibly most time consuming, such that the networks/B1G/SEC intend to allow the third conference a couple years of organization before defining a final playoff structure.)
This third conference is going to be full of badass non AAU schools from coast to coast, will have playoff access, and likely compete well for national titles moving forward.
And now be introduced to TheThird25 Conference:
TheThird25 (Apple/Amazon/Innovative Media Delivery, -and maybe CBS)
(Assuming BYU stays independent)
1) Oklahoma St.
2) Washington St.
3) TCU
4) Arizona St.
5) Kansas St.
6) Baylor
7) Boise St.
8) San Diego St.
9) NC St.
10) Tulane (AAU school)
11) Rice (AAU school)
12) UCF(disney/espn)
13) Louisville
14) Cincinnati
15) Houston
16) Boston College
To finish TheThird25:
Utah State
Syracuse
Hawaii
Oregon State
Fresno State
Iowa State
Texas Tech
SMU
Memphis and/or Southern Miss or Wake Forrest or Colorado State or Tulsa or Wyoming or New Mexico or UConn or Nevada or UTEP or Army or Navy or Air Force... etc. Relegation clearly required.
The Eligible76 (77 - BYU?)
So that makes 76 teams with playoff access each year: B1G25, SEC25, TheThird25 (with relegation beyond 25), and independent Notre Dame (and BYU?).
B1G/SEC to play 9 of 11 regular season games in conference (4 division, 1 each in the other 4 divisions, plus 1 reserved/rivalry game =9), and 2 non conference games (1 allowed to be an opponent beyond the eligible76).
How can this happen?
Quite simply. -and in the end likely a value booster for all schools through the 3 mega conferences...
Except for the 32 currrent legacy members of the B1G/SEC, revenue sharing as we've known it is finished. The rest will be taken on and paid in accord with their relative fanbase/marketshare and other values brought to the table.
And they're selling this beautifully.... This has to be the single best dudes' soap opera to run the sportswire in some time. This is intentional.
It's a done deal, but milking the interest is just the first part of this brilliant college football marketing campaign. -or, blame capitalism. ✌🤠✌
Look for something called the "Independent Invitational" game to be played in early December alongside the conference semifinals, and to be managed by The Playoff Commission, playing Notre Dame (and/or BYU?) and possibly service academies against a team hoping to make a playoff or better bowl claim, or any other 2 teams the Commission may deem appropriate in a given year in order to help clarify and minimize their playoff selections upcoming after the bowls. (It has been proposed that any Division 1 school relegated beyond the eligible76 could achieve instant transcendence with an undefeated (11-0) season -w/10 D1 wins- and a likely invitation to the Independent Invitational prior to major bowl selection.)
The bowls will play out during the holidays and could have playoff selection implications depending on the year.
PLAYOFF FLEXIBILITY IS THE KEY
(setting an arbitrary number of playoff slots before the season plays out is a failed model):
The concept of yearly playoff flexibility should be incorporated. Every year is different; setting an arbitrary number of playoff slots before the season plays out inevitably rubs against fairness for the next team left out.
After the 3 Conference championships on New Year's Day (yielding 3 guaranteed advanced playoff births) the Playoff Commission should call no less than 4 teams, but up to 16, or any (even odd) number in between, such that no eligible undefeated team is left out (an "objective, measurable, clear and articulable delineation between the last team to qualify, and all remaining eligible teams..."), and playing such few games as necessary to answer but one question:
Who is number 1?
Feels like alienation of schools not considered top valuable is rather horrible.
That's why the 3rd conference, annual playoff flexibility, and the Independent Invitational remain critically important.
It is a nightmare that is ruining the sport and likely will ruin college basketball as well. Large numbers of us will lose major interest if CFB is reduced in its top level to just 2 conferences even if each has 25 teams. The Big Ten and SEC, and the networks funding them, need to be stopped.
College football - of which I am a huge fan - is ruining college athletics ... and vice versa. There needs to be a decoupling of football at the FBS level from the NCAA. This would allow NCAA conference affiliations to be more regionally-based, thereby reducing the burden of travel on student-athletes. FBS should form a semi-professional system akin to national soccer systems of competition: 3 to 4 leagues (30-32 teams in each league) based on performance and prestige that play in postseason tournaments. Relegation and promotion would incentivize programs to invest in competitive balance. Players could enroll in school at no cost - but are not required to be a student-athlete to play. Contacts would be negotiated by each school; contracts for players and coaches would be overseen by FBS governing body and players union. Media networks would share coverage similar to the NFL structure.
Regional bases for conference affiliation is so 1930's. When everyone travelled by bus and flying was rare.
@@richardloesser9554 Makes a difference for non-football (revenue) sports. I am advocating for FBS football programs to leave NCAA conference affiliations.
@@william7286 Do you mean that the NCAA should only have authority on non-football sports? O.K. (though I don't have any faith that the NCAA will manage those sports well), But soon enough, both the Big Ten and the SEC will have had their fill of the NCAA and be big enough to set their own rules.
What do you mean by not be required to be a student athlete to play?
@@jacobhayes8324 Universities with high-valued (high revenue) programs would effectively professionalize their football clubs. There is international precedent- look at Liga MX which has clubs owned by national universities.
Purdue, Vanderbilt, and Missouri being relegated to the ACC or Big 12.
And what about Maryland and Rutgers too …
Some good ideas there.
Relegation in college football! It's about time.
Yeah. 'cause a conference championship pitting two 7-5 teams is what we all want to see.
Sorry. That's too snarkey.
Money is destroying college football, which is not a surprise. Money has damaged any sport it has taken over.
Money is fine, it's the greed and misperceived power gain over fellow humans that is to blame.
Pretty sure more people need to follow Spiderman's uncle Ben's advice.
Blame the SEC, which is largely owned by ESPN.
College football is better than ever
The TV viewership says otherwise
Realignment and the consolidation of the most profitable schools is a natural symptom of the players finally being able to get paid. The Super 2 Conferences, the 2 most profitable ones, are attempting to prepare for the inevitability of having to pay their players their fair share of the TV revenue they generate from their labor and health.
Baseball has what you are describing, and it's still a mess. Unless you want me to believe that college football will revenue share as the NFL does, then these problems will not go away. Why would Ohio State or Alabama give up any of their current forms of revenue? (or purse, as you put it)
They will share revenue when they create their 40 to 50 team Super League of the most profitable schools.
I completely disagree with this. Joel, you are in effect demanding football be its own department separate from the rest of athletics. What is the target word for most of these schools? The UNIVERSITY. This is a school and athletics are a part of that school, not the other way around. Besides, academic endowments dwarf football money, especially in the pac 12 and big ten. Money has destroyed this system.
Of course the academic endowments dwarf the athletic money. There are 3 to 5,000 students to every football player. That is 5th grade math and logic...
Abolish conferences.
Top 32 teams with the most wins since 2000 start their own champions league.
Imagine the college game where Alabama played teams with comparable athletes every week.
No more games vs Rice Tech.
I feel like that’s exactly where college football is going and they’ll eventually break away from the universities and become another minor league to the NFL.
I am similarly concerned about contraction when we get to the "power 2" that would be governed under a single umbrella. Legacy is a good word for the scheduling problem. TV doesn't care about traditional rivalries, only eyeballs as you suggested. The NFL model works really well because of the cooperation 32 franchises whose sole focus is football. University Presidents will never operate like owners. Some are hostile to the concept that athletics are a focus of their schools. The NCAA has failed miserably in its role as governing body. While it may seem inevitable to spin off college football as an entertainment property, it will ruin scholarships as we knew them. Why would student-employees turn over their share of revenue back to the schools to support olympic sports?
I would not share with the Olympic Sports at all!!!
Except you can't have a 10-1 conference champion without a 1-10 school (or a couple of 2-9's or similar)
I hope conference realignment does away with having to take a loser school.
@@kaioh187 in the games between the top 30 or so schools, there will be a new class of lovers
@@kaioh187 Sounds like you could advocate for a college football pro league, where only the best of the best play.
Because everything is about money. I get it! It's a business. Make sense
A centralized governing body for college football? Oh, like the NCAA? How has that worked out? Bottom line, greed rules. End of story.
Interesting that this is brought up on a Fox show.
The original big 12 would be right up there with the other 2. Tex/TA&M or Neb/OU or Tex/OU in a normal year. The big 12 screwed itself with OU not playing Nebraska every year and then Texas being a diva. Who knows maybe they attract Arkansas back and add TCU. That would have been way better than only 2. Also the ACC needs to demote schools in order to get good money.
Nebraska is a shell of itself, Missouri is terrible and so is A&M.
Nebraska should have never have left the Big 12. They will never compete with Michigan and Ohio State.
In a never ending sea of bad ideas, central governing body ruling over ALL of college football, might be the worst
Why is this set always dark af?