As a utep fan, I hope your projection comes true. I think the PAC will target two more on top of the ones you suggest. If the PAC is smart (lol), they'll look to add schools from as many time zones as possible, making it easier to negotiate deals with multiple media outlets. Apple, TBS/TNT, CW, Etc. Love your channel and the homework you do. UTEP is also an R1, although nowhere near an academic powerhouse.
Agreed. With 16 teams and a nine game schedule you can play three rivals every year and do a home & home with every other conference member in a four year period. Whats the point of being in the same conference if you dont play every team.
Now that we know that Stanford/Cal/SMU are going to the ACC would love to see your new realigned Pac-12 forecast. Oregon State/Washington State got a sizable war chest from the Pac-12 lawsuit settlement. Looks like they'll be able to cover exit fees and build a best of the G5 conference. Who do you like? For me new Pac-12 looks like this: Oregon State, Washington State, Boise State, Fresno State, San Diego State, Colorado State, Air Force, UNLV, Wyoming, Tulane, Memphis, and Rice. That's the premier G5 football conference, and should be sending its conference champion to the CFP every year. If ACC implodes, bring Stanford and Cal back. Look to add SMU and either New Mexico, UTSA, or Tulsa to get to 16.
Damn good call on the WCC additions! SU and GCU both get invites. GCU was a slight surprise because of their for profit profile. Surprised only two D2 schools are moving up Mercyhurst and West Georgia. WTF is taking Indy so long? To be fair there are 18 days left until June 30.th.
What you think about northwest Missouri state, they have 14 athletic programs and they have won championships recent time and I can see them in the OVC
It would be interesting to do a follow-up now that the PAC, over the objections of its Commish, can now invite schools. I suspect that either the Commish will "straighten up and fly right" as my Dad used to say, or he will be out of a job.
Cal and Standford could the Big 10 Conference or ACC or Big 12 Conference, Stanford and Cal might be joining Mountain West Conference along with Washington State University and Oregon State University, probably lead to merger.
With today’s news, what I think will happen. PAC 12 Stanford Cal Oregon St Washington St adds for academics SMU Tulane Rice UTSA Adds from MWC, they work out a deal to lessen the $34M exit fee. Air Force SDSU Colorado St UNLV Mt West Boise Wyoming New Mexico San Jose St Fresno Nevada Hawaii Utah St Add UTEP New Mexico St
I never thought about SMU and Tulane to the Pac. But if they want to keep a high level academic conference, while also having a decent athletic conference, those two schools make perfect sense. I would've also tried to get the service academies to join the conference. That would be rough for Army and Navy from a travel perspective, but I would love to see them and Air Force in the new look Pac 10 or Pac 12.
In addition to the travel, I believe the academies would prefer having their games against one another as nonconference since they can sell those rights separately. Not to mention scheduling non conference games may become more difficult now that there has been further consolidation and an expectation that at minimum each conference would go to a 9 game schedule.
I think the Big 10 takes Stanford and Cal.then Wazzu and Oregon St going to the MWC. Thus going to 14 in football and 13 overall. Could they add two more schools to go to 16.
Very good video with well explained information but I think Cal and Stanford will join the Big Ten in the fall of the year or 2024 when more negotiations between the networks and conference happen. I think the reason they’re not coming right now is because they’ve been told to wait until negotiations are finished. They’ve got too many friends amongst college presidents and network executives and are too desirable overall not to be in the Big Ten. I also think Apple will give the Big Ten a sweetener of a deal like they have with the MLS with a few football and basketball games involving the West Coast schools streaming/simulcast on Apple TV along with the Big Ten’s exclusive international streaming rights. The clincher is that Apple will cover the half share Oregon, Washington, Cal and Stanford won’t get in this cycle while adding a nice pile of cash to the other sixteen members. If this doesn’t happen and the Big 12 ends up getting an Apple deal without Cal and Stanford joining that conference, then I think Cal drops football and goes to the Big West with Stanford going independent in football and joining Cal in the Big West. The PAC 12 is on hospice care and will unfortunately die a shattered remnant of what they once were.
Can you do a video about D2 schools who could move to D1 in the next 5 years. I think when the West Texas President retires within a couple years they will move up. Until that happens Kingsville will move up of the D2 schools in Texas.
Predictions: Centenary from division III starts the transition to become member #12 of the Southland Montana and Montana State join the WAC Minnesota State from division II starts the transition to become a member of the Summit League and MVFC Western Kentucky joins the MAC Charleston joins the A10
I agree with almost everything here. However, I’m not sold on UNLV. Cal and Stanford might punt due to academics. I could see Air Force joining if interested.
@@LymetimeProductions Your hype videos are killer. How do you transfer the camera footage to the computer without compressing the quality? Also what editing software do you use?
@@LymetimeProductions ScreenPal. Everyone says DaVinci Resolve is the best, but I found it so confusing. I just got an iPhone 14 Pro Max for better quality, as I had been using an iPhone 7 since 2017.
So here is my question, if the PAC 4 stays together and add these teams you are suggesting who is going to give them a TV deal that would be worth the MWC and AAC teams leaving their respective conferences? I mean Apple is the only outlet that gave the current PAC 9 a tv deal that was woefully low money wise. And then you add in exit fees that the schools from the MWC and AAC would have to pay it's gonna be a tough to keep the PAC 4 afloat. Stanford could easily go independent until the next round of realignment comes along in 5 yrs, the other three PAC schools not so much. The way I see it: 1. The PAC 4 will have to find a TV partner willing to pay them financially that would make it worth while for teams from the AAC and MWC to join them. 2. The PAC 4 will have to swallow their academia pride and consider the best of the AAC and MWC regardless of their academic status nationally. Time is not on the side of the PAC 4 if they want to survive as a conference. I think the AAC and MWC teams that are interested in joining the PAC would happily pay their exit fees to leave their current conference if the TV money it suitable for them. If Kliavkoff could get a deal that would pay the schools 12-15 mil per school I think it would work. But that's gonna be a mighty big get considering he could only get low 20 mils for the current schools.
I'm surprised that you don't have these schools in your predictions: Like FIU or Middle Tennessee; or if the Summit League would need to expand schools if the Dakotas somehow would like to go FBS bound one day; or if the WAC would need to expand after its hopes of losing the chance to revive football went down the drain (same with the A-Sun; although the OVC and the Big South would still have some hope).
@@chandler2 That would make sense. And if they would remain in the Summit/MVFC, and the Summit somehow adds football schools for all sports, would that conference have leverage to potentially add football as a conference sport? I mean it only takes 6 or 7 as the mimimum amount of schools to sponsor FCS football, and with NDSU still in, they would dominate like they had done in the MVFC, leaving the MVC to absorb the MVFC and have it back as a conference sport again. Thoughgs?
And in MTSU's case, they didnt bolt with WKU for the MAC, would be surprised if they weren't packaged as part of SBC expansion. And if that occurs Liberty would round out the conference. For as much stigma as the school has the football program has a strong following and would add to the App st, ODU, JMU rivalries.
Nothing about the WAC reloading in this acenario about losing Seattle, Grand Canyon, and Stephen F. Austin. That would still leave them with eight, but Utah Valley, UT Arlington, and California Baptist do not play football. Central Oklahoma is probably the best fit from Division II, at least on paper. I even wonder if C-USA would cooperate with NMSU dropping to football-only and returning other sports to the WAC.
I have heard that the Big X!! tv is a football only deal. So they may not be done. Their Commish really wants UConn as BB only with a possible pairing with Gonzaga..
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I would say the American replaces Rice with Georgia State, and the Sun Belt adds WKU, MTSU, and maybe Kennesaw State (I would go with Tarelton personally)
PAC-12 cannot gatekeep if those 4 schools wanna survive. Cal and Stanford to the ACC by the way is genuinely terrible imo. They bring little to nothing for Football and thats whats driving this. Big XII to 18 maybe with SDSU and SMU would be ideal for those schools. MWC adds Stanford, Cal, OSU, Wazzu to get to 16
I understand there could be some hesitation with working with DoD, but academically, Air Force should be a slam dunk for PAC inclusion (and a great travel partner for CSU). I'm not sure where you go for 12 tho. Perhaps a football-only invite for Boise St and then see if Gonzaga might want to be 11 for all other sports.
@@reverend_wintondupree Tulsa have less than 4000 students, and their academics is far behind Boise State. Gonzaga is not a slam dunk either since they are an R3.
I don't think AFA wants to be in a power conference, although they do value their regional rivalries. AFA also has a national brand. I know Utah State is way behind Utah and BYU, but I think any media partner will want the state of Utah represented in the footprint. New Mexico may also have some valuable as Albuquerque is roughly comparable in size to Louisville. If Cal and Stanford depart, Fresno State and San Jose State become shoo-ins. I think by 2025 the PAC will look like this: Pod 1 - Wash St, Ore St, CSU, USU/AFA Pod 2 - UNLV, SDSU, UC, Stanford Pod 3 - Tulane, Rice, SMU, Tulsa
@@vamoscruceros I believe the same about AFA as well but I'm not so sure the new PAC would be considered a power conference even if Stanford and UC stayed. Until the new iteration of the CFP takes place will it then be determined who/what meets the power definition. But in these views of the PAC, AFA gets its opportunity to play both to its Texas and California constituents and recruiting network. The only piece truly missing is Florida but having a USF join might be too much of a logistical challenge, even though they just became AAU affiliated.
@@BrownieCFB If the ACC dissolves, BC is one of the least desirable teams lol. The only thing they have going for it is the Boston area market, but football up there is dominated by the NFL.
While I’d like for my pokes to play the cats and the grizzlies every year or even the bison or the jack rabbits, none of those schools move the needle when it come to athletic budgets or sports revenue. They do fine for their level but the MWC would have to get hit harder to go scoop 2-6 FCS schools
@@EyeOfTheWatcher no, and they wouldn’t want to since purchasing the PAC would mean they have to take over all assets and debts, including the headquarters. Not something that can be done from small schools
I just saw that Oregon and Washington's move to the B1G lost momentum overnight. Maybe the Pac-12 could still be thing after all...with reduced numbers, of course.
MW schools can’t afford the exit fees unless they dissolve the conference, and you have only 3 MW schools joining new Pac-10. In other words Stanford and Cal can’t gatekeep Fresno and Boise because they need them in order to dissolve MW and get their linear TV slots on CBSSN, FS1, and FS2.
Tulane would never go to the Pac12 due to expenses. They also love their current situation. I expect Arizonia, Arizonia St, and Utah to join Colorado in the Big12. I expect Oregon and Washington to join the Big10. Oregon St and Wassu to join the MWC. Stanford and California becoming Indys. Gonzaga will join the Big East. And New Orleans is a better recruiting area over Dallas and Phoenix. Rice, Unlv, UTEP, Texas St, Colorado St, SMU, and SDSU will not leave their current conferences. I can see CGU and Seattle joining the WCC for Basketball only. EKU will move to the Sun Belt in the future. Later on Miami, Florida St, Clemson ,and North Carolina all join the SEC. In 2025 the WAC will have football and the Pac12 will not exist!
The 3 MWC schools aren't going to pay 34M to leave for that. Plus if Apple even wants that version of the PAC 4 + 6 they'd never be on linear tv and don't see that version getting more than 10M a yr.. I think OSU, WSU join the MWC and if Cal and Stanford rather go Indy over that, good luck having someone pay even 5M to put them on TV. Their own fans don't care.
MW tv deals with Fox/CBS finishes in 25-26 so there may be negotiating room for the league to accept a smaller severance for the schools to leave by 24-25 a la OU/Texas departure from XII to SEC.
I don't see the benefit of going from Sunbelt to AAC. Especially since the new sunbelt money is not far off from the new AAC schools. And AAC already has UTSA.
The American would offer more exposure due to ABC having to air a certain number of football games under American control. The Sun Belt members that are in (sub)urban areas likely have the best shot (Georgia State, Texas State, etc.).
As a utep fan, I hope your projection comes true. I think the PAC will target two more on top of the ones you suggest. If the PAC is smart (lol), they'll look to add schools from as many time zones as possible, making it easier to negotiate deals with multiple media outlets. Apple, TBS/TNT, CW, Etc.
Love your channel and the homework you do. UTEP is also an R1, although nowhere near an academic powerhouse.
16 is a perfect number... For conferences that wanna go 18 or more on members, remember the tale of the SoCon
Agreed. With 16 teams and a nine game schedule you can play three rivals every year and do a home & home with every other conference member in a four year period. Whats the point of being in the same conference if you dont play every team.
@@itsjustme11 we will see next year... Big Ten just opened Pandora's Box
I was wondering why we didn’t see a prediction video yet, great video man
I think the ASUN should try and snag Valdosta State and West Florida just in case
Now that we know that Stanford/Cal/SMU are going to the ACC would love to see your new realigned Pac-12 forecast. Oregon State/Washington State got a sizable war chest from the Pac-12 lawsuit settlement. Looks like they'll be able to cover exit fees and build a best of the G5 conference. Who do you like? For me new Pac-12 looks like this: Oregon State, Washington State, Boise State, Fresno State, San Diego State, Colorado State, Air Force, UNLV, Wyoming, Tulane, Memphis, and Rice. That's the premier G5 football conference, and should be sending its conference champion to the CFP every year. If ACC implodes, bring Stanford and Cal back. Look to add SMU and either New Mexico, UTSA, or Tulsa to get to 16.
Perfect idea
Spot on, GCU and Seattle now officially going to WCC.
Missouri St to CUSA as well.
Quite surprised you didn't mention Bellarmine as a potential school into the MVC.
I think Tampa will move to D1 along with two of the schools you named, West Georgia and Indy.
Damn good call on the WCC additions! SU and GCU both get invites. GCU was a slight surprise because of their for profit profile.
Surprised only two D2 schools are moving up Mercyhurst and West Georgia. WTF is taking Indy so long? To be fair there are 18 days left until June 30.th.
I too thought UIndy would move up - they had the opportunity. Guess they're no longer interested.
What you think about northwest Missouri state, they have 14 athletic programs and they have won championships recent time and I can see them in the OVC
Do you still see Tarleton St. joining the C-USA?
Tarleton will try to go to the FBS with the WAC in the near future according to the conference and schools.
With a new commissioner, what do you think about the SoCon picking off Austin Peay and North Alabama and the WAC getting Central Arkansas?
Austin Peay and North Alabama want to go FBS. I doubt they would go to the SoCon unless the ASun completely collapses.
It would be interesting to do a follow-up now that the PAC, over the objections of its Commish, can now invite schools. I suspect that either the Commish will "straighten up and fly right" as my Dad used to say, or he will be out of a job.
Isn't there a stigma to reattaching to WKU for several of the Sun Belt schools?
Cal and Standford could the Big 10 Conference or ACC or Big 12 Conference, Stanford and Cal might be joining Mountain West Conference along with Washington State University and Oregon State University, probably lead to merger.
You got West Georgia to the ASUN!!
With today’s news, what I think will happen.
PAC 12
Stanford
Cal
Oregon St
Washington St
adds for academics
SMU
Tulane
Rice
UTSA
Adds from MWC, they work out a deal to lessen the $34M exit fee.
Air Force
SDSU
Colorado St
UNLV
Mt West
Boise
Wyoming
New Mexico
San Jose St
Fresno
Nevada
Hawaii
Utah St
Add
UTEP
New Mexico St
I never thought about SMU and Tulane to the Pac. But if they want to keep a high level academic conference, while also having a decent athletic conference, those two schools make perfect sense. I would've also tried to get the service academies to join the conference. That would be rough for Army and Navy from a travel perspective, but I would love to see them and Air Force in the new look Pac 10 or Pac 12.
In addition to the travel, I believe the academies would prefer having their games against one another as nonconference since they can sell those rights separately.
Not to mention scheduling non conference games may become more difficult now that there has been further consolidation and an expectation that at minimum each conference would go to a 9 game schedule.
It’s crazy how unpredictable this process is
I think the Big 10 takes Stanford and Cal.then Wazzu and Oregon St going to the MWC. Thus going to 14 in football and 13 overall. Could they add two more schools to go to 16.
I agree with your choices for the PAC-4, however in your opinion, why would any of those schools sign on with no signed TV deal?
It's been only one month and we can already see predictions be made/missed.
Very good video with well explained information but I think Cal and Stanford will join the Big Ten in the fall of the year or 2024 when more negotiations between the networks and conference happen. I think the reason they’re not coming right now is because they’ve been told to wait until negotiations are finished. They’ve got too many friends amongst college presidents and network executives and are too desirable overall not to be in the Big Ten.
I also think Apple will give the Big Ten a sweetener of a deal like they have with the MLS with a few football and basketball games involving the West Coast schools streaming/simulcast on Apple TV along with the Big Ten’s exclusive international streaming rights. The clincher is that Apple will cover the half share Oregon, Washington, Cal and Stanford won’t get in this cycle while adding a nice pile of cash to the other sixteen members.
If this doesn’t happen and the Big 12 ends up getting an Apple deal without Cal and Stanford joining that conference, then I think Cal drops football and goes to the Big West with Stanford going independent in football and joining Cal in the Big West. The PAC 12 is on hospice care and will unfortunately die a shattered remnant of what they once were.
I can't see Cal dropping football, not in the modern age
A new but familiar entrant. Bryant is on the move again
Can you do a video about D2 schools who could move to D1 in the next 5 years.
I think when the West Texas President retires within a couple years they will move up. Until that happens Kingsville will move up of the D2 schools in Texas.
Predictions:
Centenary from division III starts the transition to become member #12 of the Southland
Montana and Montana State join the WAC
Minnesota State from division II starts the transition to become a member of the Summit League and MVFC
Western Kentucky joins the MAC
Charleston joins the A10
I agree with almost everything here. However, I’m not sold on UNLV. Cal and Stanford might punt due to academics. I could see Air Force joining if interested.
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@@LymetimeProductions Your hype videos are killer. How do you transfer the camera footage to the computer without compressing the quality?
Also what editing software do you use?
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@@LymetimeProductions ScreenPal. Everyone says DaVinci Resolve is the best, but I found it so confusing.
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So here is my question, if the PAC 4 stays together and add these teams you are suggesting who is going to give them a TV deal that would be worth the MWC and AAC teams leaving their respective conferences? I mean Apple is the only outlet that gave the current PAC 9 a tv deal that was woefully low money wise. And then you add in exit fees that the schools from the MWC and AAC would have to pay it's gonna be a tough to keep the PAC 4 afloat. Stanford could easily go independent until the next round of realignment comes along in 5 yrs, the other three PAC schools not so much.
The way I see it:
1. The PAC 4 will have to find a TV partner willing to pay them financially that would make it worth while for teams from the AAC and MWC to join them.
2. The PAC 4 will have to swallow their academia pride and consider the best of the AAC and MWC regardless of their academic status nationally.
Time is not on the side of the PAC 4 if they want to survive as a conference. I think the AAC and MWC teams that are interested in joining the PAC would happily pay their exit fees to leave their current conference if the TV money it suitable for them. If Kliavkoff could get a deal that would pay the schools 12-15 mil per school I think it would work. But that's gonna be a mighty big get considering he could only get low 20 mils for the current schools.
@@chandler2 Looks like the PAC 4 viewed this channel. According to John Calzano, this is exactly what they are planning to do.
If EKU was a runner up for the Sun belt conference back in 2015 but Coastal Carolina won out why wouldn't the SBC knock at their door 🚪 again
I'm surprised that you don't have these schools in your predictions: Like FIU or Middle Tennessee; or if the Summit League would need to expand schools if the Dakotas somehow would like to go FBS bound one day; or if the WAC would need to expand after its hopes of losing the chance to revive football went down the drain (same with the A-Sun; although the OVC and the Big South would still have some hope).
@@chandler2 That would make sense. And if they would remain in the Summit/MVFC, and the Summit somehow adds football schools for all sports, would that conference have leverage to potentially add football as a conference sport? I mean it only takes 6 or 7 as the mimimum amount of schools to sponsor FCS football, and with NDSU still in, they would dominate like they had done in the MVFC, leaving the MVC to absorb the MVFC and have it back as a conference sport again. Thoughgs?
And in MTSU's case, they didnt bolt with WKU for the MAC, would be surprised if they weren't packaged as part of SBC expansion. And if that occurs Liberty would round out the conference. For as much stigma as the school has the football program has a strong following and would add to the App st, ODU, JMU rivalries.
"Las Vegas has a lot of cultural value" LOL
Nothing about the WAC reloading in this acenario about losing Seattle, Grand Canyon, and Stephen F. Austin. That would still leave them with eight, but Utah Valley, UT Arlington, and California Baptist do not play football. Central Oklahoma is probably the best fit from Division II, at least on paper. I even wonder if C-USA would cooperate with NMSU dropping to football-only and returning other sports to the WAC.
I have heard that the Big X!! tv is a football only deal. So they may not be done. Their Commish really wants UConn as BB only with a possible pairing with Gonzaga..
And unless Yormark is offering UConn a football invite in the next few years it ain't gonna happen. UConn would be better off staying in the Big East.
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SEC and BIG 10 for the highest level teams divide into geographic regions
BIG XII is an association of Curent big XII teams as well as Remenant of ACC and PAC-12 teams. All of MWC and many eastern teams from American, Sun Belt, C-USA, independents, MAC.
Final associations “Con-USA of remaining teams of MAC Sun Belt American and C-USA
I would say the American replaces Rice with Georgia State, and the Sun Belt adds WKU, MTSU, and maybe Kennesaw State (I would go with Tarelton personally)
Stanford and Utah to big ten. Cal Oregon State Washington state to big XII
PAC-12 cannot gatekeep if those 4 schools wanna survive. Cal and Stanford to the ACC by the way is genuinely terrible imo. They bring little to nothing for Football and thats whats driving this. Big XII to 18 maybe with SDSU and SMU would be ideal for those schools. MWC adds Stanford, Cal, OSU, Wazzu to get to 16
Major breaking situation news Oregon and Washington are going to the Big Ten I repeat Oregon and Washington are going to the Big Ten on Wisconsin
I understand there could be some hesitation with working with DoD, but academically, Air Force should be a slam dunk for PAC inclusion (and a great travel partner for CSU). I'm not sure where you go for 12 tho. Perhaps a football-only invite for Boise St and then see if Gonzaga might want to be 11 for all other sports.
Tulsa would fit geographically as a travel partner for SMU and has enough of an academic/endowment profile that would align with the other schools.
@@reverend_wintondupree Tulsa have less than 4000 students, and their academics is far behind Boise State. Gonzaga is not a slam dunk either since they are an R3.
Is it feasible for an MWC school to leave for PAC-4 in 2024 when they have to pay a 34M exit fee?
Will these teams join the pac 12 in 2024 or 2025?
Tulsa and Air Force to the PAC would have been a nice addition to round out the travel partners for the Colorado and "Southwest" pods respectively.
I don't think AFA wants to be in a power conference, although they do value their regional rivalries. AFA also has a national brand.
I know Utah State is way behind Utah and BYU, but I think any media partner will want the state of Utah represented in the footprint. New Mexico may also have some valuable as Albuquerque is roughly comparable in size to Louisville.
If Cal and Stanford depart, Fresno State and San Jose State become shoo-ins.
I think by 2025 the PAC will look like this:
Pod 1 - Wash St, Ore St, CSU, USU/AFA
Pod 2 - UNLV, SDSU, UC, Stanford
Pod 3 - Tulane, Rice, SMU, Tulsa
@@vamoscruceros I believe the same about AFA as well but I'm not so sure the new PAC would be considered a power conference even if Stanford and UC stayed. Until the new iteration of the CFP takes place will it then be determined who/what meets the power definition.
But in these views of the PAC, AFA gets its opportunity to play both to its Texas and California constituents and recruiting network. The only piece truly missing is Florida but having a USF join might be too much of a logistical challenge, even though they just became AAU affiliated.
I like that post-pillage PAC10.
Think CUSA will take Tarleton State over SFA
September 13th update: 7-10, percentage 70%
As of October 26th: 7-13 for 53.8%
CAL AND STANFORD TO THE SEC
And Boston College!
@@BrownieCFB If the ACC dissolves, BC is one of the least desirable teams lol. The only thing they have going for it is the Boston area market, but football up there is dominated by the NFL.
@@zachellenburg5738 🤫Shhhhh No BC slander will be tolerated today.
@@BrownieCFB Not slander. Just being realistic.
Disagree with the Montana and Dakota school. NDSU would be champion contenders day 1.
While I’d like for my pokes to play the cats and the grizzlies every year or even the bison or the jack rabbits, none of those schools move the needle when it come to athletic budgets or sports revenue. They do fine for their level but the MWC would have to get hit harder to go scoop 2-6 FCS schools
Technically could the conference that the NDSU is injust purchase the bones of the PAC and move up to fbs when all the schools are ready?
@@EyeOfTheWatcher no, and they wouldn’t want to since purchasing the PAC would mean they have to take over all assets and debts, including the headquarters. Not something that can be done from small schools
Love that citronaut logo
Perhaps the best logo/nickname combo in college sports history.
Reminiscent of the old Cleveland Browns logo meets the great gazoo
I just saw that Oregon and Washington's move to the B1G lost momentum overnight. Maybe the Pac-12 could still be thing after all...with reduced numbers, of course.
This didn’t age well
@@fullarmorofgod9638 I wonder if that overnight "news" was just a smokescreen.
Got to update KSU logo
DELAWARE TO THE C-USA
MW schools can’t afford the exit fees unless they dissolve the conference, and you have only 3 MW schools joining new Pac-10. In other words Stanford and Cal can’t gatekeep Fresno and Boise because they need them in order to dissolve MW and get their linear TV slots on CBSSN, FS1, and FS2.
Tulane would never go to the Pac12 due to expenses. They also love their current situation.
I expect Arizonia, Arizonia St, and Utah to join Colorado in the Big12.
I expect Oregon and Washington to join the Big10.
Oregon St and Wassu to join the MWC.
Stanford and California becoming Indys.
Gonzaga will join the Big East.
And New Orleans is a better recruiting area over Dallas and Phoenix.
Rice, Unlv, UTEP, Texas St, Colorado St, SMU, and SDSU will not leave their current conferences.
I can see CGU and Seattle joining the WCC for Basketball only.
EKU will move to the Sun Belt in the future.
Later on Miami, Florida St, Clemson ,and North Carolina all join the SEC.
In 2025 the WAC will have football and the Pac12 will not exist!
The 3 MWC schools aren't going to pay 34M to leave for that. Plus if Apple even wants that version of the PAC 4 + 6 they'd never be on linear tv and don't see that version getting more than 10M a yr.. I think OSU, WSU join the MWC and if Cal and Stanford rather go Indy over that, good luck having someone pay even 5M to put them on TV. Their own fans don't care.
MW tv deals with Fox/CBS finishes in 25-26 so there may be negotiating room for the league to accept a smaller severance for the schools to leave by 24-25 a la OU/Texas departure from XII to SEC.
I don't see the benefit of going from Sunbelt to AAC. Especially since the new sunbelt money is not far off from the new AAC schools. And AAC already has UTSA.
The American would offer more exposure due to ABC having to air a certain number of football games under American control. The Sun Belt members that are in (sub)urban areas likely have the best shot (Georgia State, Texas State, etc.).
That PAC-10 map made me want to physically hurl, just an a front to god on all levels. Haven’t seen that level of conference bullshit since the WAC.
Geography doesn't matter in any conference anymore. The sun belt is the only one with tight geography.
Gonzaga to the Big East would give the PAC geography a run for its money.
@@nofluxgivengamingit does for smaller schools, they can’t afford that shit like the bigger ones can