I’m upgrading from my 21 SR-5 Premium 7 Seater that I optioned with TRD Wheels and Skid Plates, but I just upgraded to a 24 Underground Pro. I decided that I would get three years newer and the 360 camera, dual zone climate control, Fox shocks, heated wheel, side view / rear view warning. Plus prices are better now, I got my Pro below MSRP.
Not in my “real world “. I have compared today. Trd off-road premium with the 3K “off road package which gets the nitto AT tires, blacked out, trd pro wheels runs 54k and the trd pro is 58K so 4K difference. So even if you take off the “off-road package, there is a 7k difference
Yeah I was shocked at the rebate I got!! I have an all in, post tax & fees price of $50,500, with the KDSS. Doesn’t have the alloy rim upgrade, but I’m actually starting to think that the regular silver rims looks like a better color contrast anyway since I got it in black. Like the Raiders!!
Yes and no. If you're a serious offroader and want your truck lifted and fits 37 tires. Then kdss is a problem. (in canada we don't have trd off road without kdss) so trd orp owners are the one 99%on roads with their kdss.
KDSS with a slight lift is the best ride. It will also be a rare and possibly desirable option in the ORP trim once they stop production on the current gen.
The TRD OR with KDSS is one of my favorites. Plus you can add the MTM camera. And modify it yourself, not the dealer. That said, my Wife and I need the Dual Zone climate control. And the ride on the Pro is amazing! Plus resale on the Pro is excellent. Just don't pay over MSRP. Why can't you ( or TH-cam ) delete these "investment scams" comments that are infecting so many channels nowadays?
You are correct, but it is available with the Off Road Premium Plus package from the factory on the TRD OR Premium. In my first comment I meant to say TRD OR Premium. Thanks@@Nate-Aims
The Pro roof rack is poor so that needs to be replaced, Nitto tires bad in the rain. No KDSS option so more body roll, and less articulation for off-roading. The comment is ridiculously that there is much better ride quality in the PRO. If you take into account that there is much more body roll in the PRO since no option for KDSS. Have driven both, the Off road premium with KDSS rides better in my opinion. Off Road Premium , Put on a good rack. Has a 360 camera option, KDSS option, heated steering wheel. Can add aftermarket Fox suspension. Put on better tires, Wildpeaks….premium comes standard with Dunlap AT tires. Add Toyota rock rails. Conclusion: Off-road Premium with Wildpeak tires etc. much better vehicle, less money. 1:42
I regret getting the kdss version. After 35k miles it developed a leak and they want $5600 to fix it. There are no other aftermarket options to use for anti sway. The off road premium is a better deal overall.
Ben, great cars reviews! To the point and covering all features. Just bought an ORP with KDSS. Could you do a ride comparison of the TRD Pro vs KDSS? I was between the 2 trims but the price savings of the ORP was the deciding factor. Looking forward to more reviews!
You got the better one. Pro Is kind of a gimmick done at the port. As for the ride diff…. Well on road yours with KDSS can hang turns and handle emergency situations far better. Pro feels like a kids car lifted and soft on road. Zero comparison. Of road i have no idea of diff. This guys idea of ride better is just softer very subjective and he’s not comparing to KDSS as obviously they’re like completely different cars at that point. I wouldn’t use him as a point of reference for how it drives at all.
I don't understand this video. You say "same exact tires and wheels," yet you can clearly see Nittos on the Pro and Wildpeaks on the TRDORP. So, no, they do not have the same tires. Second, you reference the 360 camera as being a TRD pro "plus," if you will, when that same 360 camera can come on the ORP. Then you're talking about ride quality difference without any actual, tangible difference or comment. Fox shocks, I guess? (Which come with their own issues). I like your stuff, man, but this video was a total swing and miss for me. Just did not make sense from start to finish.
Agree with Brad. It’s almost like calling the ORP a poser. Not even close. If someone goes to the lengths to add every differing aspect after the fact then maybe ? Not off the lot.
Yes, I agree with you. The Trd pro is the one to get. That is a turnkey out of the box ready to go off road. Though I may say that the Trd off-road is still an exceptional option and truly you can’t go wrong with you either one.
I have a Canadian version of 4Runner Offroad Premium. It comes with 360 cameras, Dual-Zone Climate and KDSS. 🙂 I installed grille from TRD pro, wrapped front and rear valances with black PPF, replaced shocks to King's 2.5" and installed "KDSS Off" switch from Dr. KDSS. And I like it much more than TRD Pro! 🙂
I got the off road premium coming at the end of the month. Reason is because I’m going to switch everything out so spending the extra 6-8k it’s not worth it when I’m putting kings on anyways and skids… ect
I was going to do the same but decided to go pro because I’m not sure how long I would keep it. So I was thinking resale value plus you do get some sort of suspension with the fox. Obviously not a King
I got an ORP a few years ago and built it up the way I wanted. But I love the pro and would never bad mouth the truck or someone deciding on it instead. Get what you like. Plus sometimes it’s a cool color option. 👍🤪🏳️🌈
Good video and appreciate the information presented. However to me it came off very biased in my opinion, but that is why we all have opinions right haha! The TRD PRO, well yes I do agree, top of the 4Runner food chain, and commands the price. TRD ORP (Factory Optioned CORRECTLY, please hear me out people).....is the exact same as a Pro, minus dual climate controls, +6 speakers and a subwoofer(Pro has the 15 speaker JBL), the Fox suspension, PRO weather mats, roof rack, and that is about it! Ordered my 2020 TRD ORP (Non-KDSS) with every option but the aforementioned details. Came in at MSRP $48K vs. PRO at $54K, and the dealership would not budge on the PRO price. They were very agreeable to neg. on the TRD ORP! Cut a deal for $43,500 (+TTL $46,300 total) on the TRD ORP fully decked out from Factory (TRD Skid plates, PRO Exhaust, TRD Interior package, Predator steps, PRO Rims, heated mirrors and wiper strip heat, dash cam and more). I honestly saved over $8K to play with hell yeah! Why buy a Fox suspension (or KDSS on ORP for $2K-ish), JBL stereo package, and a roof rack just to toss it away when I already plan on building my own Runner? Now I have $3K in suspension and tires (mild upgrades and BFG K02 33's), still have $5K extra for the stereo of MY choice, camera upgrades lights or whatever, and well dual climate controls.....never bothered me before haha! Heated steering wheel would be freaking nice though (wasn't an option in '20). Soooo.....I have to disagree with you Ben by labeling the TRD ORP as a "faux PRO" or "no PRO". That is not entirely true. People that want an "off the shelf, out of the box" VERY WELL done package, THEN YES.....The PRO is for them. Those that have a plan, know what they want, and how to execute said plan to customize as they wish.....the TRD ORP holds WAY more $$$$ value on the front end. That is why I chose the ORP over the PRO, and I am just doing it my way. Again, very good job with the content and appreciate your time in providing the information. The rest is just simply, buy what makes you happy and fits your purpose. Just my $0.02 (opinion) LOL! Happy trails everyone!
It comes down to KDSS on the OR that you dont get on the PRO. The Pro you get trd skid, roof rack, Fox shocks which do ride better, dual zone climate, JBL system with sub. Now heres the real deal. The camera system on both suck balls. The resolution is so terrible its like a 1970's RCA console TV. The interface on the navi screen is laughable. My 2019 tundra has much better graphics and better user interface. The andriod auto is a joke. Continually disconnects for no apparent reason. As the 5th gen heads out Toyota cant even send us off with decent DRL's? I mean cmon toyota you cheap bastards. Now with those being said this grossly under powered engine is reliable AF and same goes for the tranny. The resale is great and better with the PRO. I had the 2018 TRD ORP w/ kdss. Built it up on Kings and front bumper with Warn Zeon platinum winch it was a monster. I decided to bite the bullet to get the 24 PRO only because you wont get another chance to have this reliable truck. The new 6th gen will put a 4 banger with turbo and steep hill climbs will be a problem. along with the issues that come with any boosted powerplant. Look at the issues with the tundra. Crap gas mileage and a basket full of issues. Get this beast before you cant anymore and as you look on the road and see the once great Fj cruise around still going strong and wished you could have one you cant. So the same feeeling will come over you in 5 years seeing a 5th gen cruise down the road and again you'll wish you had one. my 2 fn cents.
I lived in Draper and I had a 2022 Trd pro lime rush green and i loved the car a lot But it’s struggled at the higher elevation sometimes, and it wasn’t very powerful But I missed the car so much now I have a GX 460 I’m making an Overland build Great video
You can also get KDSS on the ORP. Had new Tacoma for a month wife would not drive as too big for her & traded for ORP KDSS she loves with the same upgraded wheels.
Totally agree with your point of view, I know many off-road fans don't care about those features at all, such as the interesting exhaust sound, JBL speakers, automatic headlights, 360-degree cameras, etc. (but I think the front camera and side cameras are a bit helpful when off-road) Moreover, these functions can also be added later, but KDSS cannot be added later. I like the performance of KDSS very much and I am looking forward to the new E-KDSS of GX550! I also hope that the new generation 4runner will be equipped with the same! But at present, my driving feeling still makes me choose PRO, but it is not worth buying it if it costs too much. My experience is that too many dealers in New York increased their prices, and they never seemed to worry about not selling... So I called various dealers and finally chose one in New Jersey about three hours away from me. I bought PRO solar octane from a dealer but still paid an extra thousand dollars... But even so, I still find it very interesting and enjoyable every time I drive it. By the way, this was last year. Some of me heard that many dealers this year have stopped increasing the price of PRO. This is definitely good news!
So it’s not just me?! lol yep everyone ignores the JBL…accidentally on purpose. The non-JBL sounds like a rental van radio. All the non-Pro guys wanna hate on the Pro. The ORP is a better buy if you’re gonna do a build. But the Pro is actually a great buy if you mainly keeping it stock. It’s not just a grill/badge package..a lot more to it when you add it all up honestly & completely. And ever notice Pro owners don’t stoop to shit-talking other 4Runner trims?
I’m in the market to get a 4Runner and leaning in the pro, I’d prefer to not do any upgrades and keep my warranty intact, maybe down the road I’d do slightly bigger tires but that’s it. I don’t need to do any crazy mods and it’s fully capable as is.
Interesting to see the TRD off road in Canada has the pro interior and climate cluster as well as 360 camera. Why the US getting ripped off? 2023 trd off road 🇨🇦
If you live in the southeast, you can get an X-Series OR, add TRD skid plate, black bumper Valences, after market exhaust and a very good suspension and still be thousands of dollars lower than a PRO and have better off-Road rig. The only thing you won't have is the zone air and camera system. Ask me how I know? 😂
I think you missed your own point. Your statement from online said upgraded yourself. Not which is the better vehicle. And to be honest, that probably be the smarter route to go given the five to $10,000 markup. They have locally here in Southeast Houston clear park area. I’m looking at doing that right now before I buy. What’s the total cost going to be. Not to mention availability.
Sorry buddy..You can make a faux 4 Runner alot nicer than a TRD Pro and spend quite a bit less..Done it on Toyotas for years..Bet you don't get off road much..
Hi Ben, I’m buying TRD pro but should I wait for the 2025 hybrid model for fuel efficiency or just go for 2024 v6 engine for better price. I’m female and 66 years young.
The trd premium is actually a better deal for alot of people that go offroading .there are alot of better suspension available than the FOX suspension (remember earlier versions of the 5gen trd pro came with bilstein suspension) .Why pay for the fox suspension then take it off ? The exhaust does nothing to the performance like you said , the rims that come on the premium is actually wider than the TRD rims by 1/2 inch so putting on the trd rims is a down grade . The slide out tray in the cargo area usually gets taken out also . The only thing the pro has over the premium is the trail cam maybe and the graphics are really poor . IF your all about cruising in the mall parking lot the the Pro is the thing(look at me look at me) if your a serious offroader or semi serious then the premium is the way to go.
The TRD Off Road is a better buy. You have the same drive train, locking rear diff, traction control etc. For the price difference you can add RCI skid plates that are better than the pro, a better upgraded suspension and keep the off road wheels. The TRD Off Road wheels are better for off road than the Pro wheels. The TRD OR wheels protect the valve stems from trail damage that can quickly ruin your day by ripping the stem off, the PRO wheels do not. The TRD OR wheels are 7.5 inches wide the Pro wheels are 7 inches. Basically the PRO is a mall crawler and the TRD OR is made for off road.
Ben have milked the 4Runner. 4Runner is the best vehicle people mind watching videos about it. Timeless design. I love my 2023 trd off-road lunar rock 4Runner
2024 4Runner... TRD Off Road Premium vs. TRD Pro... New Year's Eve 2023 went to dealership to check how Flat The Cargo Area Is w/o the Sliding Rear Cargo Tray... It's NOT Flat... Not Flat At All! Well, That's That! Originally, looking for TRD OFP w/ Premium Package, Moonroof, Sliding Rear Cargo Tray AND KDSS in Underground approx. US$50,000... They Had One...But NO MOONROOF... SOL! then an Ice Cap TRD Pro caught my eye... Checked It Out... Not Bad, Not Bad at All... Its Now or Never, Last Of The 5th Generation... Don't TRUST THE RELIABILITY of the forthcoming 2025 6th Gen... it's the Luddite In Me...! DECIDED TO BUY IT...! A Genuine TRD Pro not the TRD ORP Faux...! It is the Sales Tax and Vehicle Registration that Puts You Over the Top! Wish California Had Zero/0% Percent Sales Tax like Oregon... The Asking for the TRD Pro was a base msrp $54,920 + 2,569 dealer/port prep install, delivery... And a 5,000 Dealer GOUGE MarkUp! The Negotiation: Immediate 1,995 discount Without Asking...? then I said I'd "thinkabout it..." Went Home, measured height of my garage... Hah! Salesman called next morning... went to dealership, measured height of TRD Pro WITH That Useless Roof Basket... It Cleared... Barely. Then I literally took a " 'Round the Block" test drive and I said... "Cut 1,500 more off the MarkUp or Counter Offer and You've Got a Deal...!" They accepted my Offer... No Counter Offer! So I paid MSRP 54,920, + 1,574 install, prep & delivery + 2,500 MarkUp, down from 5,000 pure cash gouge Dealer MarkUp...! 5,921.31 was CA Sales Tax and DMV Registration... I paid All Cash, No Financing. I think that because it was 31 December 2023, New Year's Eve, they were trying to make they're End of Year Toyota Allocation Cut... I Hope They Did... Another SR5 also sold that day... Anyway that's my Story 'an I'm Sticking to It. Happy New Year! Happy Trails...! Gung Fu Cowboy San Francisco Chinatown
You didn't really win because you still paid the $2500 markup which sounds like their target. The fact that they took off $1995 without asking proves that. They also made a nice chunk of change by charging you $2569 for the "dealer port prep install fee" They made it seem like they did you a favor, but they made that money back. That resale value claim has just gone down. No one should be paying any markups at this point even right around Dec of last year. Your already over $60k for a 4Runner. Should of went with a GX instead. But, as long as you like it, thats all that matters.
@@SkippyPB. SkippyPeanutButter... Thanks for the Reply/Opinion... 2020 this Same Dealership and Toyota SF/NorCal Bay Area HAD US$10,000 GOUGE MarkUp over MSRP... AND THEY WOULD NOT BUDGE...! IT WAS FU*CKKE YOU... PAY THE FREIGHT...!!! There are NO G-MarkUp on Any Other Trims... Nothing... ONLY TRD Pro... Would Have Preferred To Buy in Oregon... Zero, NO SALES TAX... But did not SetUp Purchase... Rent Oregon Residence, OR Driver's License... 6 month Ownership, Oregon DMV Registration before "Importing" Into KOMMIEFORNIA as "Used Car/Truck.." I Know This Game... Used to Import from Nevada, 49 State Only, 4 Speed Manual, 350ci. V8 Chevy Z28 late 70's, (4speed manual outlawed in Commiefornia...) Helped Pay for My Tuition at Berkeley... I Sold it to a Berkeley Cop... for $8,500!!! Those were the Days! That Dealer took off $995.00 Dealership Prep and initial $1,000 OFF $5,000 G-MarkUP... plus additional $1,500 off 5,000 MarkUp (my offer) Port of Entry/Transportation had fees but they Could Not Discount those... the Ones You're Referring To. TRD Pro are Rare, NOT COMMON At All... SR5, OF/OFP are what you see, especially SR5... Entry Level. There were 2 other interested parties looking at the TRD Pro, even as I measured it's height for my garage; They bought an SR5... I had to wait a week before I took delivery... Dealership had to cash/clear my One Check for $64,915.31... 7 other buyers with Money inquired, One buyer Came Back... 3 times! I was lucky I got there EARLY Before I Got Into a Bidding War! My Ultimate Goal was to buy a TRD Pro 5th Generation, last year of Production... Before the New 6th Generation comes to market with that 2.4L 4Cylinder Turbo Hybrid... A 4Runner PRIUS...!!! Not Interested... TFL (YT Channel) Already broke their 2024 NexGen Tacoma TRD Off Road while on the Trail making a YT Video... Check It Out... They're Still Trying to Diagnose the Problem... They Think it's the Front Differential... The 6th Gen 4Runner will have Teething Problems... I bought this for the Naturally Aspirated V6... The 2025 6th Gen 4Runner Will Have The Same Engine As NexGen Tacoma... the Lexus GX OVERLAND looks very SEXY; but It's NOT Even OUT... Twin Turbo V6... Plus Probably $25,000 More... Fully Optioned and I Consider Lexus a "Luxury" Vehicle; Not an Off-Roader. I Got Proven, 15 Year Reliability... Last Of The Breed... I Can Handle A Slight MarkUp of $2,500... Google: Definition of SEC Accredited Investor... that's ME... I Really Did Win... BIG!
@@SkippyPB. Hey Skippy... PeanutButter... Thanks for the Reply/Opinion... 2020 this Same Dealership and Toyota SF/NorCal Bay Area HAD US$10,000 GOUGE MarkUp over MSRP... AND THEY WOULD NOT BUDGE...! IT WAS FU*CKKE YOU... PAY THE FREIGHT...!!! There are NO G-MarkUp on Any Other Trims... Nothing... ONLY TRD Pro... Would Have Preferred To Buy in Oregon... Zero, NO SALES TAX... But did not SetUp Purchase... Rent Oregon Residence, OR Driver's License... 6 month Ownership, Oregon DMV Registration before "Importing" Into KOMMIEFORNIA as "Used Car/Truck.." I Know This Game... Used to Import from Nevada, 49 State Only, 4 Speed Manual, 350ci. V8 Chevy Z28 late 70's, (4speed manual outlawed in Commiefornia...) Helped Pay for My Tuition at Berkeley... I Sold it to a Berkeley Cop... for $8,500!!! Those were the Days! That Dealer took off $995.00 Dealership Prep and initial $1,000 OFF $5,000 G-MarkUP... plus additional $1,500 off 5,000 MarkUp (my offer) Port of Entry/Transportation had fees but they Could Not Discount those... the Ones You're Referring To. TRD Pro are Rare, NOT COMMON At All... SR5, OF/OFP are what you see, especially SR5... Entry Level. There were 2 other interested parties looking at the TRD Pro, even as I measured it's height for my garage; They bought an SR5... I had to wait a week before I took delivery... Dealership had to cash/clear my One Check for $64,915.31... 7 other buyers with Money inquired, One buyer Came Back... 3 times! I was lucky I got there EARLY Before I Got Into a Bidding War! My Ultimate Goal was to buy a TRD Pro 5th Generation, last year of Production... Before the New 6th Generation comes to market with that 2.4L 4Cylinder Turbo Hybrid... A 4Runner PRIUS...!!! Not Interested... TFL (YT Channel) Already broke their 2024 NexGen Tacoma TRD Off Road while on the Trail making a YT Video... Check It Out... They're Still Trying to Diagnose the Problem... They Think it's the Front Differential... The 6th Gen 4Runner will have Teething Problems... I bought this for the Naturally Aspirated V6... The 2025 6th Gen 4Runner Will Have The Same Engine As NexGen Tacoma... the Lexus GX OVERLAND looks very SEXY; but It's NOT Even OUT... Twin Turbo V6... Plus Probably $25,000 More... Fully Optioned and I Consider Lexus a "Luxury" Vehicle; Not an Off-Roader. I Got Proven, 15 Year Reliability... Last Of A Breed... I Can Handle A Slight MarkUp of $2,500... Google: Definition of SEC Accredited Investor... that's ME... I Really Did Win... BIG! ABC Gung Fu Cowboy🇺🇲 San Francisco Chinatown
@SkippyPB. Hey Skippy... PeanutButter... Thanks for the Reply/Opinion... 2020 this Same Dealership and Toyota SF/NorCal Bay Area HAD US$10,000 GOUGE MarkUp over MSRP... AND THEY WOULD NOT BUDGE...! IT WAS FU*CKKE YOU... PAY THE FREIGHT...!!! There are NO G-MarkUp on Any Other Trims... Nothing... ONLY TRD Pro... Would Have Preferred To Buy in Oregon... Zero, NO SALES TAX... But did not SetUp Purchase... Rent Oregon Residence, OR Driver's License... 6 month Ownership, Oregon DMV Registration before "Importing" Into KOMMIEFORNIA as "Used Car/Truck.." I Know This Game... Used to Import from Nevada, 49 State Only, 4 Speed Manual, 350ci. V8 Chevy Z28 late 70's, (4speed manual outlawed in Commiefornia...) Helped Pay for My Tuition at Berkeley... I Sold it to a Berkeley Cop... for $8,500!!! Those were the Days! That Dealer took off $995.00 Dealership Prep and initial $1,000 OFF $5,000 G-MarkUP... plus additional $1,500 off 5,000 MarkUp (my offer) Port of Entry/Transportation had fees but they Could Not Discount those... the Ones You're Referring To. TRD Pro are Rare, NOT COMMON At All... SR5, OF/OFP are what you see, especially SR5... Entry Level. There were 2 other interested parties looking at the TRD Pro, even as I measured it's height for my garage; They bought an SR5... I had to wait a week before I took delivery... Dealership had to cash/clear my One Check for $64,915.31... 7 other buyers with Money inquired, One buyer Came Back... 3 times! I was lucky I got there EARLY Before I Got Into a Bidding War! My Ultimate Goal was to buy a TRD Pro 5th Generation, last year of Production... Before the New 6th Generation comes to market with that 2.4L 4Cylinder Turbo Hybrid... A 4Runner PRIUS...!!! Not Interested... TFL (YT Channel) Already broke their 2024 NexGen Tacoma TRD Off Road while on the Trail making a YT Video... Check It Out... They're Still Trying to Diagnose the Problem... They Think it's the Front Differential... The 6th Gen 4Runner will have Teething Problems... I bought this for the Naturally Aspirated V6... The 2025 6th Gen 4Runner Will Have The Same Engine As NexGen Tacoma... the Lexus GX OVERLAND looks very SEXY; but It's NOT Even OUT... Twin Turbo V6... Plus Probably $25,000 More... Fully Optioned and I Consider Lexus a "Luxury" Vehicle; Not an Off-Roader. I Got Proven, 15 Year Reliability... Last Of A Breed... I Can Handle A Slight MarkUp of $2,500... Google: Definition of SEC Accredited Investor... that's ME... I Really Did Win... BIG! ABC Gung Fu Cowboy🇺🇲 San Francisco Chinatown
I know when I buy one that digital clock on the top of the dash is gonna give me OCD...Lol it was like 10 minutes off from the head unit. Nothing a piece of electrical tape cant fix I guess.
what exactly is a TRD Pro kit????? I didn't see any "poser" things on the ORP. The TRD wheels are an accessory from the dealer. that ORP price is above $50k because of the dealer add ons (markup).
At my dealership they call it the “off road upgrade package” which adds: Nitto AT tires TRD pro wheels Rock rails Black exhaust tip Black badging Trd pro floor mats. For 3600.00
Damn. You’ve sold out yourself by trying to not just by upgrading and then suggesting a 😂 $10K is so much better. What a lame insult to all other new 4Runner TRD Pro customers and sales reps. Perfectly glad I just bought the 2024 TRD Pro Off Road premium before listing to you.
Lmao I have an SR5 that is build up better than both of these and I paid 22k for it. It is a used 2015 with 64k miles. I added mods. So lift kit 3.5 inches, wheels and tires, new led lights front and rear. As for inside, I put leather seats, added heated steering wheel, added heated and cool seats, added a new led tablet screen, added piano black trims. I also put a black headliner and re did the seatbelts to black (it was tan before). So the color inside is tan/black. I took out all that silver like color. Oh I also added led interior lights, heads up display. I even added the harnesses for blindspot monitor and keyless entry with push button. You have to take it to Toyota though. They will have to program it... but yeah all in about close to 12k in mods. So for 35k I got me a fully custom 4Runner that surpasses the TRDpro imo. I always do that with my vehicles though. I buy the base model and add my own stuff to it. 💯
People who say the ORP is better than the pro are just high on copium that they couldn’t get a Pro…. And overpriced? If anything the ORP is overpriced… For a few more grand you can get a Pro that has WAY more features and actually somewhat resembles a modern vehicle. If you’re spending that much already, might as well spend a little extra to get the pro. By the time you upgrade everything on your ORP it’ll be more than the base cost of a Pro.
Ben Hardy, hope you are Not a sales person at whichever dealership it may be because personally watched your video here the 1st time, I immediately would walk away from you either ask for someone else or simply shop at another dealership. For starter, you can't even speak clearly as a sales person with several blurred words .... 👎 Don't hate them; but if you do "hate it so much" please get another line of work, as I am after leaving this comment, I will block all of your videos (as I hate this one) to stop wasting my time !
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. The Toyota motto for the longest time.
"To attract and attain " is their moto lol
Not anymore. It’s horrible what they are doing now. All electric or hybrids. And only 4cylinder
I’m upgrading from my 21 SR-5 Premium 7 Seater that I optioned with TRD Wheels and Skid Plates, but I just upgraded to a 24 Underground Pro. I decided that I would get three years newer and the 360 camera, dual zone climate control, Fox shocks, heated wheel, side view / rear view warning. Plus prices are better now, I got my Pro below MSRP.
Well, Toyota is definitely still winning the "buttons" battle. A button for everything!
I own a 2023 Toyota 4Runner TRD PRO and a 2023Toyota 4Runner TRD Off-Road. Without a doubt the TRD PRO is the best.
How does the ride quality compare since the Pro doesn’t have the KDSS suspension?
Do you ever take them out of the mall parking lot?
TRD Pro is still selling for MSRP. You can get the ORP for $3500 off MSRP. Real world difference of $10,000 could be compelling.
Not in my “real world “. I have compared today. Trd off-road premium with the 3K “off road package which gets the nitto AT tires, blacked out, trd pro wheels runs 54k and the trd pro is 58K so 4K difference. So even if you take off the “off-road package, there is a 7k difference
Yeah I was shocked at the rebate I got!! I have an all in, post tax & fees price of $50,500, with the KDSS. Doesn’t have the alloy rim upgrade, but I’m actually starting to think that the regular silver rims looks like a better color contrast anyway since I got it in black. Like the Raiders!!
TRD Off Road with KDSS option is more cost efficient than TRD Pro. The core value is KDSS suspension.
Negative more on
TRD PRO or go home and stay on the porch
The TRD Pro is for those who want people to think they go off-road, but don’t. The ORP is cheaper and better to modify exactly how you want it
I would guess 90% of TRD Pro owners are just like the Rubicon people. Pavement princesses, never seen a two track.
Yes and no. If you're a serious offroader and want your truck lifted and fits 37 tires. Then kdss is a problem. (in canada we don't have trd off road without kdss) so trd orp owners are the one 99%on roads with their kdss.
@@ajdrew25290% trd offroad owners don't offroad with their kdss
I bought my TRD PRO in May and took it off road the next weekend and about ripped my Predator Steps right off. I take it off road 2-3 times a month.
I drove both back to back, and the TRD offroad drove a little better with the KDSS, but i did love everything else with the PRO.
Any crawl control option ?
KDSS holds the most value.
KDSS with a slight lift is the best ride. It will also be a rare and possibly desirable option in the ORP trim once they stop production on the current gen.
The TRD OR with KDSS is one of my favorites. Plus you can add the MTM camera. And modify it yourself, not the dealer. That said, my Wife and I need the Dual Zone climate control. And the ride on the Pro is amazing! Plus resale on the Pro is excellent. Just don't pay over MSRP.
Why can't you ( or TH-cam ) delete these "investment scams" comments that are infecting so many channels nowadays?
I don’t believe it would be very easy to add the 360 cameras after the fact, but that’s just me.
Do dealers sell these at msrp?
You are correct, but it is available with the Off Road Premium Plus package from the factory on the TRD OR Premium. In my first comment I meant to say TRD OR Premium. Thanks@@Nate-Aims
I'm aware that it is not standard and it can have problems. Also, much easier to lift the non-KDSS model. I just like it. @@chatsworthosbornejr
Many dealers in Colorado are at MSRP. @@iwgl1981JMR
The Pro roof rack is poor so that needs to be replaced, Nitto tires bad in the rain. No KDSS option so more body roll, and less articulation for off-roading.
The comment is ridiculously that there is much better ride quality in the PRO. If you take into account that there is much more body roll in the PRO since no option for KDSS.
Have driven both, the Off road premium with KDSS rides better in my opinion.
Off Road Premium , Put on a good rack. Has a 360 camera option, KDSS option, heated steering wheel. Can add aftermarket Fox suspension. Put on better tires, Wildpeaks….premium comes standard with Dunlap AT tires. Add Toyota rock rails.
Conclusion: Off-road Premium with Wildpeak tires etc. much better vehicle, less money. 1:42
I regret getting the kdss version. After 35k miles it developed a leak and they want $5600 to fix it. There are no other aftermarket options to use for anti sway. The off road premium is a better deal overall.
I'd go with a TRD Pro, for the reasons you detailed in the video.....its in my mind, totally worth it!
How was this video not called "TRD Pro vs TRD Faux"?
Ben, great cars reviews! To the point and covering all features. Just bought an ORP with KDSS. Could you do a ride comparison of the TRD Pro vs KDSS? I was between the 2 trims but the price savings of the ORP was the deciding factor. Looking forward to more reviews!
I have kdss orp and it is def worth it!
ORP with KDSS is the best choice. Add a slight lift and make the cosmetic exterior changes on your own.
You got the better one. Pro Is kind of a gimmick done at the port. As for the ride diff…. Well on road yours with KDSS can hang turns and handle emergency situations far better. Pro feels like a kids car lifted and soft on road. Zero comparison. Of road i have no idea of diff.
This guys idea of ride better is just softer very subjective and he’s not comparing to KDSS as obviously they’re like completely different cars at that point. I wouldn’t use him as a point of reference for how it drives at all.
The KDSS alone in the Off road makes it over all better. You can simply swap suspension units. But the kdss ❤
Just bought myself the 2024 TRD Pro Premium today. LOVE IT!!!!
I don't understand this video. You say "same exact tires and wheels," yet you can clearly see Nittos on the Pro and Wildpeaks on the TRDORP. So, no, they do not have the same tires. Second, you reference the 360 camera as being a TRD pro "plus," if you will, when that same 360 camera can come on the ORP. Then you're talking about ride quality difference without any actual, tangible difference or comment. Fox shocks, I guess? (Which come with their own issues). I like your stuff, man, but this video was a total swing and miss for me. Just did not make sense from start to finish.
Ok brad we all see you exposing the truth😆
Agree with Brad. It’s almost like calling the ORP a poser. Not even close. If someone goes to the lengths to add every differing aspect after the fact then maybe ? Not off the lot.
Yes, I agree with you. The Trd pro is the one to get. That is a turnkey out of the box ready to go off road. Though I may say that the Trd off-road is still an exceptional option and truly you can’t go wrong with you either one.
I have a Canadian version of 4Runner Offroad Premium. It comes with 360 cameras, Dual-Zone Climate and KDSS. 🙂
I installed grille from TRD pro, wrapped front and rear valances with black PPF, replaced shocks to King's 2.5" and installed "KDSS Off" switch from Dr. KDSS.
And I like it much more than TRD Pro! 🙂
I got the off road premium coming at the end of the month. Reason is because I’m going to switch everything out so spending the extra 6-8k it’s not worth it when I’m putting kings on anyways and skids… ect
I was going to do the same but decided to go pro because I’m not sure how long I would keep it. So I was thinking resale value plus you do get some sort of suspension with the fox. Obviously not a King
@@mr.george9886 yeah If I wasn’t going to mod it I probably would of went with the pro and the resale is definitely better for the pro model
@@duaneknight631 yeah, but you pay $10k more for it
I got an ORP a few years ago and built it up the way I wanted. But I love the pro and would never bad mouth the truck or someone deciding on it instead. Get what you like. Plus sometimes it’s a cool color option. 👍🤪🏳️🌈
Good video and appreciate the information presented. However to me it came off very biased in my opinion, but that is why we all have opinions right haha!
The TRD PRO, well yes I do agree, top of the 4Runner food chain, and commands the price.
TRD ORP (Factory Optioned CORRECTLY, please hear me out people).....is the exact same as a Pro, minus dual climate controls, +6 speakers and a subwoofer(Pro has the 15 speaker JBL), the Fox suspension, PRO weather mats, roof rack, and that is about it!
Ordered my 2020 TRD ORP (Non-KDSS) with every option but the aforementioned details. Came in at MSRP $48K vs. PRO at $54K, and the dealership would not budge on the PRO price. They were very agreeable to neg. on the TRD ORP! Cut a deal for $43,500 (+TTL $46,300 total) on the TRD ORP fully decked out from Factory (TRD Skid plates, PRO Exhaust, TRD Interior package, Predator steps, PRO Rims, heated mirrors and wiper strip heat, dash cam and more). I honestly saved over $8K to play with hell yeah! Why buy a Fox suspension (or KDSS on ORP for $2K-ish), JBL stereo package, and a roof rack just to toss it away when I already plan on building my own Runner? Now I have $3K in suspension and tires (mild upgrades and BFG K02 33's), still have $5K extra for the stereo of MY choice, camera upgrades lights or whatever, and well dual climate controls.....never bothered me before haha! Heated steering wheel would be freaking nice though (wasn't an option in '20).
Soooo.....I have to disagree with you Ben by labeling the TRD ORP as a "faux PRO" or "no PRO". That is not entirely true. People that want an "off the shelf, out of the box" VERY WELL done package, THEN YES.....The PRO is for them.
Those that have a plan, know what they want, and how to execute said plan to customize as they wish.....the TRD ORP holds WAY more $$$$ value on the front end. That is why I chose the ORP over the PRO, and I am just doing it my way.
Again, very good job with the content and appreciate your time in providing the information. The rest is just simply, buy what makes you happy and fits your purpose. Just my $0.02 (opinion) LOL!
Happy trails everyone!
TRD OR is available with KDSS while Pro is not. Love my KDSS
It comes down to KDSS on the OR that you dont get on the PRO. The Pro you get trd skid, roof rack, Fox shocks which do ride better, dual zone climate, JBL system with sub. Now heres the real deal. The camera system on both suck balls. The resolution is so terrible its like a 1970's RCA console TV. The interface on the navi screen is laughable. My 2019 tundra has much better graphics and better user interface. The andriod auto is a joke. Continually disconnects for no apparent reason. As the 5th gen heads out Toyota cant even send us off with decent DRL's? I mean cmon toyota you cheap bastards. Now with those being said this grossly under powered engine is reliable AF and same goes for the tranny. The resale is great and better with the PRO. I had the 2018 TRD ORP w/ kdss. Built it up on Kings and front bumper with Warn Zeon platinum winch it was a monster. I decided to bite the bullet to get the 24 PRO only because you wont get another chance to have this reliable truck. The new 6th gen will put a 4 banger with turbo and steep hill climbs will be a problem. along with the issues that come with any boosted powerplant. Look at the issues with the tundra. Crap gas mileage and a basket full of issues. Get this beast before you cant anymore and as you look on the road and see the once great Fj cruise around still going strong and wished you could have one you cant. So the same feeeling will come over you in 5 years seeing a 5th gen cruise down the road and again you'll wish you had one.
my 2 fn cents.
I love they kept the 4.0 I hope they do for a while
they cannot keep it because of government regulations
This is the last year of the 4.0
I lived in Draper and I had a 2022 Trd pro lime rush green and i loved the car a lot
But it’s struggled at the higher elevation sometimes, and it wasn’t very powerful
But I missed the car so much now I have a GX 460 I’m making an Overland build
Great video
It's funny this video popped up. I just bought a TRD off road 4runner 4 weeks ago.
I prefer the simplicity of the off road with the climate controls vs the pro.
You can also get KDSS on the ORP. Had new Tacoma for a month wife would not drive as too big for her & traded for ORP KDSS she loves with the same upgraded wheels.
Totally agree with your point of view, I know many off-road fans don't care about those features at all, such as the interesting exhaust sound, JBL speakers, automatic headlights, 360-degree cameras, etc. (but I think the front camera and side cameras are a bit helpful when off-road) Moreover, these functions can also be added later, but KDSS cannot be added later. I like the performance of KDSS very much and I am looking forward to the new E-KDSS of GX550! I also hope that the new generation 4runner will be equipped with the same! But at present, my driving feeling still makes me choose PRO, but it is not worth buying it if it costs too much. My experience is that too many dealers in New York increased their prices, and they never seemed to worry about not selling... So I called various dealers and finally chose one in New Jersey about three hours away from me. I bought PRO solar octane from a dealer but still paid an extra thousand dollars... But even so, I still find it very interesting and enjoyable every time I drive it. By the way, this was last year. Some of me heard that many dealers this year have stopped increasing the price of PRO. This is definitely good news!
also duel air-conditioning, dash camera, under floor storage , more skid plates , heated mirrors and windshield wipers , 2 inch lift and better brakes
Buy what you can afford number #1 and if it’s a Base Model thats awesome as well !
Negative D bag
TRD PRO or go home
Nothing wrong with Sr5 if you can find one that doesn't cost the same as TRD
They both seem to have a constitution oriented around respecting those who want to go off the road.
Just bought a new 2024 sr5 Premium 4x4 with everything. $48k and worth it.
JBL!!! Whenever comparing the Pro to the ORP…you guys ALWAYS fail to mention that the Pro has the 18 Speaker JBL sound system with an amp & subwoofer.
So it’s not just me?! lol yep everyone ignores the JBL…accidentally on purpose. The non-JBL sounds like a rental van radio. All the non-Pro guys wanna hate on the Pro. The ORP is a better buy if you’re gonna do a build. But the Pro is actually a great buy if you mainly keeping it stock. It’s not just a grill/badge package..a lot more to it when you add it all up honestly & completely. And ever notice Pro owners don’t stoop to shit-talking other 4Runner trims?
Well said!
Can you buy the same fox shock set up from fox or better?
TRD “what you know” is 100 and thank you for your support
My ORP has Birds Eye’s view, love it
I’m in the market to get a 4Runner and leaning in the pro, I’d prefer to not do any upgrades and keep my warranty intact, maybe down the road I’d do slightly bigger tires but that’s it. I don’t need to do any crazy mods and it’s fully capable as is.
Have a 23 TRD off road premium in lunar. With kdss. It’s the best option for me. Mileage my vary.
TRD PRO exhaust is cool until you get on the highway. Awful. The suspension is not worth the extra money when you can get a ORP with KDSS
Agreed, I swapped out my TRD exhaust for a stock one. The drone is a killer.
This video did nothing for me. It could have been a YT Short. Dual climate, shocks, badging, tires, done.
White Toyota TRD looks good
Voo Doo Blue looks the Best
Funny how you under sell the off-road like your comparing a Ferrari to an escort
Yeah if you can get TRD Pro at MSRP in a good color (seems like Terra is unpopular, those are going for MSRP).
One thing to mention the TRD off-road doesn’t have automatic headlights. How is that a thing in 2024????
I believe the Pro has an upgraded JBL sound system as well.
I like whichever is quieter and drives easier
What is the thing you hate that you said was stupid? Is that for toll roads like EZ pass?
That’s the factory add on OEM dash cam. My 4Runner Pro also came with that. It’s like a $500 add-on that I don’t know how to work
Interesting to see the TRD off road in Canada has the pro interior and climate cluster as well as 360 camera. Why the US getting ripped off?
2023 trd off road 🇨🇦
If I was in the market for a new car I would definitely consider this
If you live in the southeast, you can get an X-Series OR, add TRD skid plate, black bumper Valences, after market exhaust and a very good suspension and still be thousands of dollars lower than a PRO and have better off-Road rig.
The only thing you won't have is the zone air and camera system.
Ask me how I know? 😂
Negative D bag
It’s not a PRO it’s aftermarket
great video, perfect information, thanks
Another big difference is the JBL audio upgrade to the Pro
I think you missed your own point. Your statement from online said upgraded yourself. Not which is the better vehicle. And to be honest, that probably be the smarter route to go given the five to $10,000 markup. They have locally here in Southeast Houston clear park area. I’m looking at doing that right now before I buy. What’s the total cost going to be. Not to mention availability.
Great Video, don’t listen to the haters. Keep doing the videos great job
Sorry buddy..You can make a faux 4 Runner alot nicer than a TRD Pro and spend quite a bit less..Done it on Toyotas for years..Bet you don't get off road much..
and you can get the Pro fox shocks from take offs for about $900
I have the trd off road and it's with 360 camera and climate control + extra KDSS system which is not available in the trd pro
TRD off-road with KDSS :)
the price differential, at least in Canada (approx $10k), is not worth it. You can get better for cheaper than the Pro with other upgrades.
Hi Ben, I’m buying TRD pro but should I wait for the 2025 hybrid model for fuel efficiency or just go for 2024 v6 engine for better price. I’m female and 66 years young.
No the 2025 model is ruined with a less reliable engine
2024 with 4.0 l engine,you'll never by another vehicle
I’ll take the kdss
The trd premium is actually a better deal for alot of people that go offroading .there are alot of better suspension available than the FOX suspension (remember earlier versions of the 5gen trd pro came with bilstein suspension) .Why pay for the fox suspension then take it off ? The exhaust does nothing to the performance like you said , the rims that come on the premium is actually wider than the TRD rims by 1/2 inch so putting on the trd rims is a down grade . The slide out tray in the cargo area usually gets taken out also . The only thing the pro has over the premium is the trail cam maybe and the graphics are really poor . IF your all about cruising in the mall parking lot the the Pro is the thing(look at me look at me) if your a serious offroader or semi serious then the premium is the way to go.
I do own the Off rd and has dual climate control and here you said does not. I think you are confuse
Why??? Same stuff over and over
The TRD Off Road is a better buy. You have the same drive train, locking rear diff, traction control etc. For the price difference you can add RCI skid plates that are better than the pro, a better upgraded suspension and keep the off road wheels. The TRD Off Road wheels are better for off road than the Pro wheels. The TRD OR wheels protect the valve stems from trail damage that can quickly ruin your day by ripping the stem off, the PRO wheels do not. The TRD OR wheels are 7.5 inches wide the Pro wheels are 7 inches. Basically the PRO is a mall crawler and the TRD OR is made for off road.
TRD off road has KDSS ride is smooth
Ben have milked the 4Runner.
4Runner is the best vehicle people mind watching videos about it. Timeless design. I love my 2023 trd off-road lunar rock 4Runner
The only difference on pro and trd sports are electronics and the suspension same engine 4.0 litter
It’s sad they didn’t redesign he 4Runner this year I been waiting now 5 years for a redesign I might end up with the 2024 Tacoma
Trd pro also has jbl
A new Trd pro is $1000 off MSRP. I live in Montana so no sales tax. Is it a good deal?
Buy it and resell it in So Cal. Local dealer will not budge off $3,800 OVER sticker.
Does the Pro not have the isodynamic seats?
2024 4Runner...
TRD Off Road Premium vs. TRD Pro...
New Year's Eve 2023 went to dealership
to check how Flat The Cargo Area Is w/o
the Sliding Rear Cargo Tray... It's NOT Flat... Not Flat At All! Well, That's That!
Originally, looking for TRD OFP w/ Premium Package, Moonroof, Sliding
Rear Cargo Tray AND KDSS in Underground approx. US$50,000... They
Had One...But NO MOONROOF... SOL!
then an Ice Cap TRD Pro caught my eye... Checked It Out... Not Bad, Not Bad at All... Its Now or Never, Last Of The 5th Generation... Don't TRUST THE RELIABILITY of the forthcoming 2025 6th Gen... it's the Luddite In Me...!
DECIDED TO BUY IT...! A Genuine TRD Pro not the TRD ORP Faux...!
It is the Sales Tax and Vehicle Registration that Puts You Over the Top! Wish California Had Zero/0% Percent Sales Tax like Oregon... The Asking for the TRD Pro was a base msrp $54,920 + 2,569 dealer/port prep install, delivery... And a 5,000 Dealer GOUGE MarkUp!
The Negotiation:
Immediate 1,995 discount Without
Asking...? then I said I'd "thinkabout it..."
Went Home, measured height of my garage... Hah! Salesman called next
morning... went to dealership, measured
height of TRD Pro WITH That Useless
Roof Basket... It Cleared... Barely. Then
I literally took a " 'Round the Block" test drive and I said... "Cut 1,500 more off the MarkUp or Counter Offer and You've Got a Deal...!" They accepted my Offer...
No Counter Offer!
So I paid MSRP 54,920, + 1,574 install, prep & delivery + 2,500 MarkUp, down from 5,000 pure cash gouge Dealer MarkUp...! 5,921.31 was CA Sales Tax and DMV Registration... I paid All Cash,
No Financing. I think that because it was 31 December 2023, New Year's Eve, they were trying to make they're End of Year Toyota Allocation Cut... I Hope They Did... Another SR5 also sold that day...
Anyway that's my Story 'an I'm
Sticking to It.
Happy New Year!
Happy Trails...!
Gung Fu Cowboy
San Francisco Chinatown
SAME EXCEPT THE 31ST WAS A SUNDAY SO THE DEALERSHIPS WERE CLOSED IN TEXAS BUT I PICKED UP A 4WD LIMITED IN UNDERGROUND ON THE 30TH.
You didn't really win because you still paid the $2500 markup which sounds like their target. The fact that they took off $1995 without asking proves that. They also made a nice chunk of change by charging you $2569 for the "dealer port prep install fee" They made it seem like they did you a favor, but they made that money back. That resale value claim has just gone down. No one should be paying any markups at this point even right around Dec of last year. Your already over $60k for a 4Runner. Should of went with a GX instead. But, as long as you like it, thats all that matters.
@@SkippyPB. SkippyPeanutButter...
Thanks for the Reply/Opinion...
2020 this Same Dealership and Toyota SF/NorCal Bay Area HAD US$10,000 GOUGE MarkUp over MSRP... AND THEY WOULD NOT BUDGE...! IT WAS FU*CKKE YOU... PAY THE FREIGHT...!!! There are NO G-MarkUp on Any Other Trims... Nothing... ONLY TRD Pro...
Would Have Preferred To Buy in Oregon... Zero, NO SALES TAX... But did not SetUp Purchase... Rent Oregon Residence, OR Driver's License...
6 month Ownership,
Oregon DMV Registration before "Importing" Into KOMMIEFORNIA
as "Used Car/Truck.." I Know This Game... Used to Import from Nevada,
49 State Only, 4 Speed Manual, 350ci. V8 Chevy Z28 late 70's, (4speed manual outlawed in Commiefornia...)
Helped Pay for My Tuition at Berkeley... I Sold it to a Berkeley Cop... for $8,500!!! Those were the Days!
That Dealer took off $995.00
Dealership Prep and initial $1,000 OFF $5,000 G-MarkUP... plus additional $1,500 off 5,000 MarkUp (my offer)
Port of Entry/Transportation had fees but they Could Not Discount those... the Ones You're Referring To.
TRD Pro are Rare, NOT COMMON At All... SR5, OF/OFP are what you see, especially SR5... Entry Level. There were 2 other interested parties looking at the TRD Pro, even as I measured it's height for my garage; They bought an SR5... I had to wait a week before I took delivery... Dealership had to cash/clear my One Check for $64,915.31... 7 other buyers with Money inquired, One buyer Came Back... 3 times! I was lucky I got there EARLY Before I Got Into a Bidding War!
My Ultimate Goal was to buy a TRD Pro
5th Generation, last year of Production...
Before the New 6th Generation comes to market with that 2.4L 4Cylinder Turbo Hybrid... A 4Runner PRIUS...!!! Not
Interested... TFL (YT Channel) Already broke their 2024 NexGen Tacoma TRD Off Road while on the Trail making a YT Video... Check It Out... They're Still Trying to Diagnose the Problem... They Think it's the Front Differential...
The 6th Gen 4Runner will have Teething
Problems... I bought this for the Naturally Aspirated V6... The 2025
6th Gen 4Runner Will Have The Same Engine As NexGen Tacoma...
the Lexus GX OVERLAND looks very SEXY; but It's NOT Even OUT... Twin Turbo V6...
Plus Probably $25,000 More... Fully Optioned and I Consider Lexus a "Luxury" Vehicle; Not an Off-Roader.
I Got Proven, 15 Year Reliability...
Last Of The Breed... I Can Handle A Slight MarkUp of $2,500... Google: Definition of SEC Accredited Investor...
that's ME... I Really Did Win... BIG!
@@SkippyPB.
Hey Skippy... PeanutButter...
Thanks for the Reply/Opinion...
2020 this Same Dealership and Toyota SF/NorCal Bay Area HAD US$10,000 GOUGE MarkUp over MSRP... AND THEY WOULD NOT BUDGE...! IT WAS FU*CKKE YOU... PAY THE FREIGHT...!!! There are NO G-MarkUp on Any Other Trims... Nothing... ONLY TRD Pro...
Would Have Preferred To Buy in Oregon... Zero, NO SALES TAX... But did not SetUp Purchase... Rent Oregon Residence, OR Driver's License...
6 month Ownership,
Oregon DMV Registration before "Importing" Into KOMMIEFORNIA
as "Used Car/Truck.." I Know This Game... Used to Import from Nevada,
49 State Only, 4 Speed Manual, 350ci. V8 Chevy Z28 late 70's, (4speed manual outlawed in Commiefornia...)
Helped Pay for My Tuition at Berkeley... I Sold it to a Berkeley Cop... for $8,500!!! Those were the Days!
That Dealer took off $995.00
Dealership Prep and initial $1,000 OFF $5,000 G-MarkUP... plus additional $1,500 off 5,000 MarkUp (my offer)
Port of Entry/Transportation had fees but they Could Not Discount those... the Ones You're Referring To.
TRD Pro are Rare, NOT COMMON At All... SR5, OF/OFP are what you see, especially SR5... Entry Level. There were 2 other interested parties looking at the TRD Pro, even as I measured it's height for my garage; They bought an SR5... I had to wait a week before I took delivery... Dealership had to cash/clear my One Check for $64,915.31... 7 other buyers with Money inquired, One buyer Came Back... 3 times! I was lucky I got there EARLY Before I Got Into a Bidding War!
My Ultimate Goal was to buy a TRD Pro
5th Generation, last year of Production...
Before the New 6th Generation comes to market with that 2.4L 4Cylinder Turbo Hybrid... A 4Runner PRIUS...!!! Not
Interested... TFL (YT Channel) Already broke their 2024 NexGen Tacoma TRD Off Road while on the Trail making a YT Video... Check It Out... They're Still Trying to Diagnose the Problem... They Think it's the Front Differential...
The 6th Gen 4Runner will have Teething
Problems... I bought this for the Naturally Aspirated V6... The 2025
6th Gen 4Runner Will Have The Same Engine As NexGen Tacoma...
the Lexus GX OVERLAND looks very SEXY; but It's NOT Even OUT... Twin Turbo V6...
Plus Probably $25,000 More... Fully Optioned and I Consider Lexus a "Luxury" Vehicle; Not an Off-Roader.
I Got Proven, 15 Year Reliability...
Last Of A Breed... I Can Handle A Slight MarkUp of $2,500... Google: Definition of SEC Accredited Investor...
that's ME...
I Really Did Win... BIG!
ABC Gung Fu Cowboy🇺🇲
San Francisco Chinatown
@SkippyPB.
Hey Skippy... PeanutButter...
Thanks for the Reply/Opinion...
2020 this Same Dealership and Toyota SF/NorCal Bay Area HAD US$10,000 GOUGE MarkUp over MSRP... AND THEY WOULD NOT BUDGE...! IT WAS FU*CKKE YOU... PAY THE FREIGHT...!!! There are NO G-MarkUp on Any Other Trims... Nothing... ONLY TRD Pro...
Would Have Preferred To Buy in Oregon... Zero, NO SALES TAX... But did not SetUp Purchase... Rent Oregon Residence, OR Driver's License...
6 month Ownership,
Oregon DMV Registration before "Importing" Into KOMMIEFORNIA
as "Used Car/Truck.." I Know This Game... Used to Import from Nevada,
49 State Only, 4 Speed Manual, 350ci. V8 Chevy Z28 late 70's, (4speed manual outlawed in Commiefornia...)
Helped Pay for My Tuition at Berkeley... I Sold it to a Berkeley Cop... for $8,500!!! Those were the Days!
That Dealer took off $995.00
Dealership Prep and initial $1,000 OFF $5,000 G-MarkUP... plus additional $1,500 off 5,000 MarkUp (my offer)
Port of Entry/Transportation had fees but they Could Not Discount those... the Ones You're Referring To.
TRD Pro are Rare, NOT COMMON At All... SR5, OF/OFP are what you see, especially SR5... Entry Level. There were 2 other interested parties looking at the TRD Pro, even as I measured it's height for my garage; They bought an SR5... I had to wait a week before I took delivery... Dealership had to cash/clear my One Check for $64,915.31... 7 other buyers with Money inquired, One buyer Came Back... 3 times! I was lucky I got there EARLY Before I Got Into a Bidding War!
My Ultimate Goal was to buy a TRD Pro
5th Generation, last year of Production...
Before the New 6th Generation comes to market with that 2.4L 4Cylinder Turbo Hybrid... A 4Runner PRIUS...!!! Not
Interested... TFL (YT Channel) Already broke their 2024 NexGen Tacoma TRD Off Road while on the Trail making a YT Video... Check It Out... They're Still Trying to Diagnose the Problem... They Think it's the Front Differential...
The 6th Gen 4Runner will have Teething
Problems... I bought this for the Naturally Aspirated V6... The 2025
6th Gen 4Runner Will Have The Same Engine As NexGen Tacoma...
the Lexus GX OVERLAND looks very SEXY; but It's NOT Even OUT... Twin Turbo V6...
Plus Probably $25,000 More... Fully Optioned and I Consider Lexus a "Luxury" Vehicle; Not an Off-Roader.
I Got Proven, 15 Year Reliability...
Last Of A Breed... I Can Handle A Slight MarkUp of $2,500... Google: Definition of SEC Accredited Investor...
that's ME...
I Really Did Win... BIG!
ABC Gung Fu Cowboy🇺🇲
San Francisco Chinatown
I know when I buy one that digital clock on the top of the dash is gonna give me OCD...Lol it was like 10 minutes off from the head unit. Nothing a piece of electrical tape cant fix I guess.
If they don’t discount TRD pro then it’s a no brainer which to pick.
what exactly is a TRD Pro kit????? I didn't see any "poser" things on the ORP. The TRD wheels are an accessory from the dealer. that ORP price is above $50k because of the dealer add ons (markup).
At my dealership they call it the “off road upgrade package” which adds:
Nitto AT tires
TRD pro wheels
Rock rails
Black exhaust tip
Black badging
Trd pro floor mats. For 3600.00
I bet one had the kdss and one didn't with the ride.
TRD Faux is what you are lookin for lol
Don’t forget the upgraded JBL sound system in the PRO
TRD PRO or go home
Boring is good. 😂 Exciting is expensive! 😮
That TRD exhaust drones horribly at highway speeds . I’ll pass on it .
Damn. You’ve sold out yourself by trying to not just by upgrading and then suggesting a 😂 $10K is so much better. What a lame insult to all other new 4Runner TRD Pro customers and sales reps. Perfectly glad I just bought the 2024 TRD Pro Off Road premium before listing to you.
yeah ill buy a used one and save thousands. let them sit.
Used ones are still expensive
@@ronnieblea4422 a used 2020 to 2023 are at least 10k cheaper
Used are all really expensive in Colorado. That’s why I went with new.
Power train is new how would you know its reliable
The TRD Pro is so overpriced. You can build a better OffRoad version for the savings of skipping the Pro
Sr5.. same frame and engine..
what is "fake" trd pro! I prefer the TRD off-road premium over the pro... I dont appreciate you calling it "fake" 💩
the vehicles you want to be in when it is the end of the world.
Love them both but they need to retire that Nautical Blue. It looks so old. Long live the 5th generation!
What’s the thing on the windshield behind the mirror?
Dash cam
TRD Pro not marked up!Wow
Lmao I have an SR5 that is build up better than both of these and I paid 22k for it. It is a used 2015 with 64k miles. I added mods. So lift kit 3.5 inches, wheels and tires, new led lights front and rear. As for inside, I put leather seats, added heated steering wheel, added heated and cool seats, added a new led tablet screen, added piano black trims. I also put a black headliner and re did the seatbelts to black (it was tan before). So the color inside is tan/black. I took out all that silver like color. Oh I also added led interior lights, heads up display. I even added the harnesses for blindspot monitor and keyless entry with push button. You have to take it to Toyota though. They will have to program it... but yeah all in about close to 12k in mods. So for 35k I got me a fully custom 4Runner that surpasses the TRDpro imo. I always do that with my vehicles though. I buy the base model and add my own stuff to it. 💯
The trd pro is a waste of money in my opinion for a daily driver.
Can you do a video between the Dodge ram 1500 with a 5.7 and the Dodge ram 2500 with a 6.4
Нечего не понял,но все равно было интересно
TRD Off Road
People who say the ORP is better than the pro are just high on copium that they couldn’t get a Pro…. And overpriced? If anything the ORP is overpriced… For a few more grand you can get a Pro that has WAY more features and actually somewhat resembles a modern vehicle. If you’re spending that much already, might as well spend a little extra to get the pro. By the time you upgrade everything on your ORP it’ll be more than the base cost of a Pro.
Enough on the TRD no just get to it thanks
Trd Off-Road so you dont have that ugly roof rack they stick on the Pro
same engine on both
Tires and wheels don't quite do it dude..Done a ton of Toyota builds.Pretty boy..😂
Ben Hardy, hope you are Not a sales person at whichever dealership it may be because personally watched your video here the 1st time, I immediately would walk away from you either ask for someone else or simply shop at another dealership. For starter, you can't even speak clearly as a sales person with several blurred words .... 👎 Don't hate them; but if you do "hate it so much" please get another line of work, as I am after leaving this comment, I will block all of your videos (as I hate this one) to stop wasting my time !
TRD NO! 😀 well there you go.