Electrifying The Porsche Brakes - Electronic Brakes
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0:00 - Intro
1:16 - Brake System Considerations
3:35 - Making Modifications
7:39 - Cut & Weld Tesla Brake Pedal
16:54 - Brake Lines & Connections
8:13 - How does this change things for this build?
8:50 - How to Help
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It's amazing how many things have to be changed to work with an electric car... brakes and A/C are the first to come to mind. But I'm sure there's a lot more! Thanks for explaining how all this works and what's involved in making this kind of swap.
Well said!
He could have used an electric vacuum pump to create the booster vacuum and many do as it's the easiest way but they are noisy and in an EV you end up hearing them cycle all the time and it's annoying. This is a much nicer outcome.
Silence is the point of EV's@@generalvoltage1821
You could have also used a Prius or Toyota hybrid based electric braking system as well. Lots of other things need to be switched over, the cooling system needs an electric water pump, power steering needs to be made into an electric system, which we already have. The alternator, you can no longer use a spinning alternator. Need to use a dc-to-dc converter, to go from the high-voltage to the 12 V battery voltage so that your accessories can run.
@@chubbysumo2230 Good grief. I knew there were probably more things to switch over but I had no idea just how many components ran off of a mechanical system vs. electric.
Good to see you making progress with the custom things that take a lot of time.. also great to see how much you’ve grown skill wise from a few years ago.. I’m sure a job will come your way..
Thanks!
Great Video 🎉 I really liked the breakdown into the different steps, the white board calculation/explanations and detailed construction⚙️🔩🛠️🔌 - this is a 10/10 - also feel free to included more bloopers, its nice to see your funny side😂 and thanks for including your patreons on the end of the video (felt great to see my name 👀) ❤
Thanks Friend! Glad you are helping!
2 videos in 1 week!!
Just for you!
I am really impressed with your very thoughtful exposé on the design of the brake pedal. Too often in these car videos, the brake systems seem to be afterthoughts. Wishing you and you family continued health and success! Aloha.
Thanks Friend!
doing my service and commenting for the algorithm... all your projects are sick!
Thanks Friend!
Nicely done man, nice, nicely done. I have no appreciation for how much effort it takes you to bring is along on this new journey, but I for one, really appreciate it!
Thanks Friend!
Good progress on the fabrication side.
Interesting to see the details in your build :)
Small tip , If grinding or welding the tiny little metal particles suspend and drift in the air then they settle on the paint of the cars parked in your garage.
after a month or three you will see tiny little brown dots of rust stain on your car paint , they are a pain to remove so its well worth putting a car cover over them to protect the paint.
The same problem can be found with any car dealerships located near train lines , steel dust comes off the train tracks , drifts in the breeze and leaves little brown stains on car paint.
A car dealership near me spent over $ 100,000 respraying cars until they worked out the cause.
Thanks for the suggestion!
I don’t know if I’m the only one, but the editing skills have gotten way better recently! I love seeing progress not just on car modifications but also editing and video quality ❤
Thank you so much!!
he has some time on his hands now ;) But I indeed do agree!
Really nice video, I really enjoy seeing the huge amount of effort and dedication you put into making these! Congratulations, keep it going:)
Thank you very much!
Very informative video and great job at calculating the angles for the brake pedal on spot on the first trying.
Thanks! 👍
Thank you!
You're welcome!
18:30 - only thing i worry about for those lines is that those bends are too tight and restrictive...
Yeah I had the same thought, especially that U turn looks very squished.. not sure if there are better tools though
likely fine, working more on pressure than flow. Also, many cars use a loop in the lines for vibration and movement isolation and these loops can be pretty small, less than 2-3 inch(5-7 cm) diameter depending on line size
So awesome to see the build start 😃
More to come!
really great quality works for one man in a garage! nice to see your approach!
Thanks Friend!
These videos always seem like they're five minutes long. The progress you are making is insane! 🔥🔥🔥🔥
I appreciate that!
Thanks!
Wow! Thanks for the support!
Thanks so much for the video 😊
You are so welcome!
I am so not car savvy, its kinda cool to learn about all the components and inner workings
Thanks for the comment!
Nice work on the brakes! I was going to comment that you should make sure you can heel-toe....and then I realized how stupid I was 😂
LOL! 🤣
Truly amazing
Thanks Friend!
Love the frequent videos.
Am in quarantine right now and love to watch your content ^^
Awesome! Thank you!
Why didn't you use the Audi Q8 or Volt Gen 2 Unit?
It would've bolted right on.
Great work adapting it though!
Thanks for the suggestion!
Probably easier to mechanically interface the Tesla parts than figure out electrically adapting and interfacing the non Tesla parts with all the Tesla guts?
His wiring harness and motors are already set up to connect to the Tesla booster.
@@garretthaney9134 I was wondering that as well. Had to pop on the T2C manual after watching to see if they integrated any of the Tesla braking controllers into the ev-controls parts, but doesn’t seem to be the case.
The T2C does need a NC / NO brake switch. But the Porsche one is easily swapped for the correct type if need be.
@@garretthaney9134 the Tesla powertrain components used in the EV conversion have no mechanical interface with the braking system, so whichever iBooster mechanically fits with the mounting area and pedal is most appropriate.
Great Job Jeremy. Loving seeing the progress.
Thanks Friend!
Great work as always
Thank you! Cheers!
Always a pleasure to watch your videos ! :)
Glad you like them!
Thanks for the great information and great content. Glad to support you via patreon so you can keep going . Again thanks for the videos
Much appreciated!
Thanks for sharing, it was very intresting to watch! Best of lucks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
great progress on this build 👍🏼 looking forward to future content
More to come!
Can you use the Porsche master cylinder on the ibooster? Is the pedal ratio the same as stock?
These are points to consider when swapping brake parts to different cars. The fluid displacement of the front and rear section of the master cylinder need to match the volume needed for the front and rear calipers as well as the fluid displacement ratio front to rear needs to match the OEM master as it's ratio determines brake bias. The pedal ratio is matched to the master cylinder stroke to get a certain pedal stroke for a given master. ABS might still function but not correctly with the incorrect master.
Thanks for the comment!
Amazing work 👍
Thank you! Cheers!
Good work.
Thank you! Cheers!
Awesome ✌🏻✌🏻✌🏻
Best wishes to complet project ASAP✌🏻✌🏻✌🏻
Thanks a ton
So cool to see all this !! Guys just by give a like on the video really helps the channel to grow. If the channel goes Bigger maybe one day we can see a 1964 Pontiac GTO .
Thanks!
Super nice work. A real pleasure to watch your work and the progress.
And I had a little chuckle at flipping the bird at the errant pipe cutter. I have been known to do the same (even a double flipper😂) to errant tools or the such like. 😉
LOL! Glad I am not alone at getting mad at inanimate objects
Hi Jeremy, I like how it's looking!
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Thanks 👍
Great video. Thanks for bringing us along!
One comment, you may want to check your pedal ratio vs master cylinder size. You are tweaking a bunch of things at once. Just compare things between the Tesla and Porsche and make sure you don't have an odd compound effect going on (ie. Lower pedal ratio and larger master cylinder from what is in the Porsche -> causing higher foot force). An easy check would be to look at caliper piston area for Tesla and Porsche.
Thanks for the tip!
Hey, you can use even more " robust" iBooster made by Bosch from the 2017+ Renault Zoe/Megane PHEV-HEV/Scenic HEV , they are even more easy to use then Tesla's Ibooster . They come with a "stand alone mode " already present and probably they are even cheaper then Tesla's .
Nice!
@@ElectricSuperCar for reference, the one i'm speaking of is the same generation with the one "disassembled" by SuperfastMatt in his Inside Tesla's Brake Booster video.
I assume that's the Gen 2 iBooster, versus the Gen 1. Gen 2 is also used by Honda, VW, Porsche, Toyota, and probably others.
@@brianb-p6586 exactly , that's the Gen 2 Ibooster .
Nice work. Just be careful with the angelgrinder. If you get sparks on the glass it can break or get burnmarks from the sparks.
I know...I ended up with some on my glass whiteboard. 😕
Good to see you still at it despite the work situation. Any updates on that front?
Nothing yet
Using a piece of copper on the back side of the hole is great for filling in holes with mig.
Thanks for the suggestion!
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brake pedal closer to the accelerator makes it easier to heel-toe 😂
LOL!
TÜV SÜD says no! 😅
Nord sagt auch nein danke. 😅
Not bad? I think it looks better than factory.
Thanks Friend!
Why not just use an electric vacuum pump? If I remember correctly, this is basically what you often need on boosted applications or situations where these is low manifold vacuum. Might of been a lot easier conversion
Definitely an option.
It works, and it is easier (especially if an electric-assist master cylinder requires pedal modifications) but an electric vacuum pump is bulky and noisy.
Great video - I know it’s personal and fully understand if it’s something you would rather to keep to yourself but if it’s ok let all know how the job search is going at the end of end video … anyway well done!
Great point!
Is that the same place that Zack used to use before he purchased his own CNC. Oh, ask Zack for a favor? :)
Nice!
I like the idea of the electric boost. I suppose one could hook up an electric vacuum pump and leverage the original system, but that seems a bit indirect...
Well said!
Electric vacuum pumps were commonly used in EV conversions before Bosch introduced the iBooster - Tesla even used one in their earlier production cars. The integral electric boost is certainly more direct.
could have tried a RHD brake master, would have had the ports on the side you needed...
Possibly
Where is the electric clutch pedal? 😉
LOL! 🤣🤣
Extend the shaft in the booster
Interesting 🤔
That's been done, but it's not necessarily easier... and he was hacking up the pedal arm anyway.
The audio in this video is a little bit left ear heavy, sounds louder than the right side
Looked very good, did you have to use two different flare tools?
One tool had multiple flare dies
What type of whiteboard and markers do you use?
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Is cutting and welding the brake pedal safe? Does it not introduce any potential weak spots, especially under heavy brake loads? I have no idea how these things work.
Ah… I see what you did to strengthen it internally. Nice one!
I don't think there will be any issues. his welds look great. It will be plenty strong.
Ideally you would cut the existing tab off and weld on a new one directly to the square tubing. He could have even had Fictiv waterjet cut that tab so he didn't have to buy a new drill bit for the precise hole. But sometimes you just make due with what you've got. And under braking the forces are going into the thicker area of that tab, so there's probably no risk to the way he did it.
It's generally a bad idea, especially without proper design work to back it up.
Not directly related to the mechanical brakes, but will this car have regenerative braking when finished? Would love to learn about how that works!
Yep! More to come!
Ty for the new upload hope you found a new job or source of income!!!
Thanks for the comment!
I may have to look into this Tesla booster for my project. I am curious on how it connects to 12V. Seems to be a tone of wires in that connector.
The plug has a ton of wires but I think there are only 4 power wires and 3 signal wires that are needed
I will be coming to you for a schematic! @@ElectricSuperCar
Great job!
Do you plan to put the Porsche Innodrive system in? It’s Porsches version of auto pilot.
Not initially
If anyone can do it, I think it would be you. And you probably would be the first DIY person to do it.
I belive it would have been much less work and much cleaner to use the Porsche pedals with the E-Booster...
Maybe 🤔
I wonder if, in hindsight, you would have been better of with the Porsche pedal assembly.. as you now had to modify sooooo much.
Maybe 🤔
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Isn't the brake pedal advantage based on the ratio of each point from the pivot point? Tesla is 4:1 (16" to 4"), what was the Porsche ratio? Wasn't the ratio about the same? Sports cars will typically design for slightly higher required force, and shorter throw... versus generic consumer cars.
Fair point. I may also be changing the master cylinder size
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Thanks Friend!
Is the Tesla master cylinder appropriately sized for the Porsche caliper pistons?
I think the Tesla is 2mm larger than the Porsche
You should definitely buy a vise... 😏
It is on the list. Maybe for Christmas
No! The weld that was done to extend that hole out by 1/2 inch was not good. Cut that whole tab off and weld a new tab to the shaft that is longer, and drill
Please explain "not good"
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I didn’t see that it was beveled before welding, also I saw delamination or clearly visible where it was welded in the seam. Either test that part (because it will experience not only compression but side to side tension) or redo it. Seems very unsafe, the forces there are tremendous
Pause the video at 15:52
Clearly the weld did not set deep enough
Actually wouldn't it have been easier to just drill in the ports in the brake booster and just plug the other 2 ports? It looks like that part was cast so it could work from either side?
Maybe. It would be my luck to ruin the whole thing if I tried
good tools - good job ! 👍🖖✊
Thanks 👍
Can I ask for you.
What components inside frameless doors car please.
Hey thanks for the question, not sure I understand it. What is a frame less doors car?
@@ElectricSuperCarlike Lamborghini doors, Porsche doors. I just want to know what components are inside the door. what amazed me was that a few seconds before the door was opened, the car window automatically lowered slightly
@@ElectricSuperCarI have subscribed to your channel. because I like automotive things.
and your video is very interesting
Thanks
It's strange to credit Tesla for the system used, since they just buy it. It's a Bosch iBooster, not a Tesla iBooster. It can be salvaged from a Tesla... or an Audi, Chevrolet, Honda, Jaguar, Porsche, Volkswagen, Renault, Citroën, Peugeot, Toyota, and probably others. One of those applications may come with a more suitable pedal arm.
Probably
I am not a wielding expert but wielding OSB board looks like a fire hazard to me!!! (Don't mean to be a hater for I like the channel. )
I definitely need a welding table
june 2024
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Jeeeze. Please give me your shipping address so I can send you a half decent pipe cutter.
I know, right!?!
“Inches”. Lol.
I know, my country's measurement system is messed up
German TUV is crying
Please make sure the modifications to the brake pedal are as solid as possible. I would recommend adding some additional plating to the weld joints as the brake pedal can see extremely high forces in an emergency stopping event. Also, I might want to check Master cylinder bore sizes and see if they are close as this could cause poor brake performance. Would hake to hear that a failed weld caused a accident in the future.
I couldn't agree more
$241 for that brake booster shim??? That's ALOT.
I did order 2
Thanks!
Wow! Thanks for the support!
Thanks!
Wow! Thanks for the support!