I believe it was mentioned in a QnA with Project Moon that the reason Lobotomy Corp is tied with Lobotomies is because the procedure typically reduced emotional response to the things happening around the individual. This can fit with Angela or Ayin.
@@LastMinuteEssays I was gonna say because the creation of abnormalities is, in a way, a form of lobotomy, as you are taking pieces of a human's mind and taking them out by giving them a physical form
A sidenote: Ayin's immediate rejection of Angela upon her opening her eyes is also likely a reference to Frankenstein by Mary Shelley, wherein Victor Frankenstein (college dropout) uses spare parts taken from corpses which he dug up in order to create an artificially living being, one who is handsome... except for the uncanniness of its eyes and the paleness of its skin (the Pale Librarian), which causes Frankenstein to reject the creature the moment its eyes opened. Similarly to Angela's role in the story, Adam Frankenstein (oh look, another biblical reference) serves as an antagonist who goes out of his way to inflict personal tragedy upon Victor out of a desire for revenge over his abandonment. And, bringing the thematic link all together, Adam started off wanting to help and befriend people, but his nature as a scientific monster drove people away and cause him to harden his heart and become a villain, with his travels before reuniting with Victor ending in him becoming well-read enough to read Paradise Lost - the tale of the fall of Lucifer, the other story which Angela is based off of. Something interesting is the inversion of the end of Lobotomy Corporation and the end of Frankenstein; in Frankenstein, Victor dies a miserable man after being targeted for tragedy by Adam, with his death causing Adam to remorse and become driven to suicide, but in Lobotomy Corporation, Ayin goes into the Light and dies happily after successfully facing and surpassing the issues caused by Angela, who realizes her desire to live her own life afterwards.
I wanted to share a thing I haven't really see brought up anywhere. Carmen's name originates from the Hebrew word karmel, meaning "garden", and in the context of at least Lobotomy Corp, she partially represents the Garden of Eden-- in the sense of her being emblematic of what could be described as the closest thing to 'paradise' (in the hellscape of the City) for the people surrounding Carmen. This paradise being irreversibly ruined by biting into the "fruit of knowledge"-- the actual first test of Cogito on a person, the *knowledge* of what it would actually do. It even can kinda link into Eve as well, in the fact that Carmen was the original prime candidate for the Cogito experiment, mirroring Eve being the first to bite into the fruit. Hell, after merging with the Light, Carmen's current stint of being a sort of devil-on-your-shoulder tempter (of unclear moral motives), also invokes the serpent in the Garden of Eden as well. So yeah, Carmen = "Garden"; as both The Eden/Paradise forever lost, The Eve originally meant to bite into the Fruit of Knowledge first, and now as The Serpent working to tempt people into "Sin"/Distorting. I haven't seen anyone talk about Carmen's name and it's potential thematic significance (at least anywhere I could find), and I think it's a bit of an untapped well (lol)
1:22:00 Fun fact: if you look at the artbook, Director Kim Johoon, the Developer, noted this: "The Black Silence’s gloves are more than just dimensional weapon storage. When the Black Silence shows up, the gloves muffle all sound in the surroundings other than the Black Silence’s weapons cutting through the air. The logo has a ECG pulse trace going flat to reflect this." As far as I know, ECG is sometimes used interchangeably with EKG. Furthermore, fun fact on top of the fun fact: not only did Roland not get noticed, he was probably never even heard. The rest of the Director's note kiiiiinda confirms by stating: "While the Red Mist is a warrior who fights in open areas, the Black Silence is analogous to an assassin carrying out missions efficiently in small spaces."
I'm just starting the video and I want to point out the "Lobotomy" has another extra context in the game Have you noticed that the company that teleports you with trains is called "Warp" and the one that meddles with time shenanigans is called "TimeTrack"? Most, if not all, of the corporations in the city seem to base their name on their product, and/or the singularity that makes possible their product Well, maybe lobotomy corporation doesn't rip apart brain, but it extracts Cogito, their singularity, from the nervous system of Carmen, brain included What's more, their singularity, the Cogito, has a very specific use... It metaphysically extracts bits and pieces of the human consciousness out to the real world, be it E.G.O., Abnormalities, or distortions... It literally perform a metaphorical lobotomy as much as a contradiction as it sounds, it makes sense...
Regarding the whole Lobotomy thing, It can very much refer to Ayin who continual sacrificed more and more of his mind and personality in order to extract the facility within the Architecture Department effectively Lobotomizing himself of his previous self which is why he effectively starts the game as a blank slate until he remembers his past actions through the Suppressions
31:45 I saw someone bring a different interpretation to Gebura being the Patron Librarian of the Floor of Language, which is that violence is a universal language, not just as an obvious threat but an understandable reaction to feelings of fear, anger, and dismay.
Off the top of my head, in Christianity, God created everything by speech, which had to take some form of language. Likewise if Gebura represented the 'strength/power' or 'means to achieve', then its possible that it's like how language is the vehicle/method of creation. Power is the ability to achieve something, but doesnt focus on what that thing is. Similarly, language is a tool you can use to curse in xbox 360 or write beautiful prose.
@@Hevymin life imitates art, the fact it's so convincingly a shitpost speaks to the idea that this is the interpretation they were going for Great Split: Horizontal is a message all guests can understand, human distortion or otherwise this isn't to say any other interpretation is wrong, but I think it's a valid one
The fact that the lenght of lobotomy corp had meaning blew my mind. It's amazing how much though went into this games. Also astolfo flying to the moon to get moon candy for roland is the funniest shit i've heard all day. Amazing video
i think gebora was the patron of the floor of Language because it makes more sense then to say The floor of Communication as language is a means to share ideas. be it a verbal or physical medium... that is to say she talks with her fists.
1:00:25 While I see your point on how WhiteNight cant represent Carmen I would still say otherwise, but not from the simple angle of "oh its just convenient because numbers." Particularly I believe that the Plague Doctor, WhiteNight's predecessor, directly represents Carmen before her death, and that WhiteNight is an amalgamation of both her and Ayin's actions and beliefs after her death, similar to how an abnormality can represent the emotional state of several people like in the realizations. Specifically, I believe in Lobotomy Corp WhiteNight more represents Ayin and in LoR its starts to show more representation of Carmen In LC Ayin treated himself as a god in the facility, and everyone else as a means to an end. He used the 10 "apostles" of Carmen as these means, and used 2 of his own as well, claiming the Twelfth, or Angela, to be a "Sinner." For proof of this, I point to the drastic change of the Plague Doctors form from the tenth to eleventh Apostle. Because the eleventh apostle has to be Binah, we can infer that the Plague Doctor is no longer representing Carmen but Ayin, or at least representing that shes dead. 11 people in the facility are supposed to obtain enlightenment, but in order to do so they need an antagonist, the twelfth to be chosen as a devil, Angela. Admittedly, I dont see as much of a connection with LoR Carmen with WhiteNight, but there is some things. For starters, we need to consider the fact that Carmen is, in fact, both the cause of the distortions and probably clinically insane at this point. Specifically, I am of the belief that her Apostles were the Reverberation Ensemble. The Ensemble worshipped her as a sort of god, which arguably was one of their more reasonable beliefs, and followed her as such. Furthermore, taking into account the background quotes in the latter part of the Floor of Religion Realization, we can see that the statements that Paradise Lost Angela is making is scarily similar to how Carmen is acting. She wants to lead those who follow her, the Reverberation Ensemble, to a life where they realize their emotions, but when Xiao is lead by Miris into a state where she can form her own EGO, Carmen tries to force her into distorting despite the fact that she has already realized her emotions in a way she understands, obviously not caring that she did it but that she did it in a way Carmen doesnt understand. Honestly, while I dont have much here but speculation and inference, I do believe that this specific idea is going to evolve over time. Something that I want to clarify before I post is that I dont believe that WhiteNight is purposefully malicious, but rather it ignores the suffering of those it doesnt know or care to see. Its just a different flavor of the 3 Birds, assuming its doing the right thing but not caring to find out if its not. This ideal perfectly encapsulates both the Ideals of Ayin in Lobotomy Corp and Carmen in Library of Ruina, and shows that despite them apposing the Head that its just the same outcome. This is that, and that is this.
Xiao comes off to me somewhat like Philip. Firstly, they were the only two people to mainfest an E.G.O in the library, and both had the same goal, retrieve those lost in the library. But the difference was their resolve. Philip ran from the fight, while Xiao stayed to the bitter end.
@@memes_the_dna_of_the_soul5487 No, the difference actually is that Philip got mindbroken by Oswald, while Xiao basically had a nat 20 buildup to manifesting ego. They said in the story themselves that Philip was close to manifesting full ego, if only that clown hadn't broken his will. Xiao came in ready to fight to the death for revenge, got pulled out, got a good encouraging talk from one of their close friends, then fought a few more times before manifesting full ego for the sake of revenge and honoring their dead comrades. Philip came in forced to fight because the rest of his office was fighting too, then they died while begging him to run away and get help (which is smart, and he did the right thing by escaping) and then when he finally got said help he was basically peer-pressured to come fight again with 3 people who constantly brought him down and insulted him as if he was trash, then he STILL manifested partial-ego (even with the ''I'm a coward'' delulu moment) and fought to the very end, and THEN he gets unwillingly teleported to the number 1 NTR protagonist in PM, Oswald, who completely breaks him mentally while he's basically near-death. I honestly respect Philip more for putting up with this shit and still nearly getting to the finishing line than Xiao.
LoR Carmen's connection to WN is much more in how they go about influencing their followers. This is much clearer when we see her full interaction and attempt in Leviathan. Carmen pushes for the distortion phenomenom by doing exactly what WN does to bless their followers, she offers them redemption. Regardless of how they've lived or their sins Carmen offers to remove that burden from them by letting them place the self above all allowing them to no longer be bound by their actions to others. In gaining that redemption they become distorted and become messengers of her will (as we saw the esemble do). People with EGO are not redeemed in Carmen's mind (nor WN or Adams) they still struggle with their fears and are still chained by their actions. EGO isn't a loss of those fears but a stance to face them. This again is very well told in Vergil's rejection of Carmen. In rejecting her Vergil gains EGO but also keeps holds of his sins, to the point he considers that he will end up in hell because of it. " This ideal perfectly encapsulates both the Ideals of Ayin in Lobotomy Corp" I very much disagree with that. A is notable because, while he was capable of commiting terrible deads, he could never look away from them. Instead it tore him apart from the inside as the guilt build up, something that is impossible had he just been ignoring the suffering he caused. As One Sin's weapon and suit state "Those who are willing to spill blood for the greater good will be readily given approval for its use" and "This suit will be no better than rags to those who have no sense of guilt". These descriptions are at the heart of Ayin as a character, someone who will sin for the greater good but will carry the weight of those actions. This is why he culminates in day 50 by accepting that he will never be forgiven and yet continues to spread the light and cause the fall of LC knowing full well what will happen when a wing collapses. This is also why Vergil upon admittingt that his actions will spill blood and drag him to hell, but resolves to do it anyway for a greater cause, not only gains EGO but gains the crown of thorns symbolic of One SIn. Because in the same vein as A Vergil is commiting sins for a cause but accepts that the means are unforgivable and he will not be forgiven for it.
Somehow, I think it's because he never broke his promise to Angelica that set Roland in motion. It was what sent him on a rampage, trying to find who was responsible for his suffering, shifting away blame for himself (which he didn't have anyways). But, as Zena so succintly put it, at this point is impossible to determine who is to blame for what might as well be a natural disaster (even tho it was man made). Is it Angela's? Ayin's? Carmen's? The City? The Head? What if the head also had a reason for establishing it's ruthless and nonsensical order?
In regards to breaking Ayin's kneecaps with a steel chair, that is one of the topics in regards to Project Moon that I have always struggled the most with. On the one hand, yeah, Ayin did a lot of really awful things in order to finish the plan. But at the same time, those actions legitimately helped the Sefirot resolve some of their emotional traumas, would have (if Angela didn't ruin it) probably helped people immensely and actually brought hope back to humanity (or at least the City which seems to be the only known major repository for humanity in this world). I think his story is very morally grey and deserves more than a casual kneecap breaking. Honestly, there's more to his story than I can think of right now with my 2:13 AM brain, but yeah. On a side note, I find it interesting that Ayin was acknowledged to still exist in the Light similarly to Carmen. Makes me wonder if in the future he will act as a similarly paired force to Carmen as Roland is for Angela. Etc.
Huh, I could swear I replied to this but the comment is gone Yes, absolutely, it is morally gray. A is the idea of a heroic resolve/willpower taken to such an absurd degree that it kinda transcends the trope. The end goal is so unquestionably good and world-changing that it's hard to not somewhat sympathize with not just resorting to unsavory means, but also the hellish time loop that ensures that all those sacrifices won't be for nothing. I'd still punch him in the face right before shaking his hand though, mostly because of Angela being the one thing he didn't even bother to try and fix. It's easy to villify her and say she ruined everything, but she honestly didn't deserve anything that happened to her in Lobcorp. She did deserve a fair bit of what happens in Ruina as she was acting out of her own free will, though.
@@LastMinuteEssays It is true, he really dropped the ball by not taking proper care of Angela and she certainly did not deserve it, but I guess that's what's meant to make him human and not a paragon of virtue. I don't necessarily vilify Angela (She certainly has redeemed herself, or at least started on the path to it), but I do feel that people support her a lot more than they normally would due to her perspective being the most recent in memory because of release order.
I think the reason behind Gebura being a patron to the Floor of Language is a reference to the Tower of Babel, where it referred to the unification of all mankind under a single language that was then destroyed by God, thus causing people to speak different languages and spreading miscommunication and conflict among all people. Differences in language between people stir conflict through misunderstanding. It might be a stretch, but I think it could explain some things @Last Minute Essays
Also, the fact that Chesed is pretty much the opposite of Gebura and is the patron of the Floor of Art kinda proves my point a bit more. Art is universally understood by all people no matter what culture they come from or language they happen to speak, because art is a universal medium to express emotions, ideas, and the like. The term "A picture is worth a thousand words" rings very true in that aspect.
carman was an inspiring person that wanted to do good. but carman died in that bathtub and what was made from her can ultimately be devorced from that person. The Carman in Ruina seems as much apart of the light as Ayn is. as a person grows in power her voice becomes more and more pronounced, as with roland and Gebora's conversation about hearing voices as roland is near distorting himself and gebora has already manafested her ego. also Xiao as she is bordering on a brakedown only to be pulled back and calmed down by her subordinate. it seems project moon may be positioning her as the devil that twists and corrupts those not strong enough of will to fully manifest their ego. also if each had to face there opposite in the finale of Ruina. Angelna's is Carmen; who is another forced by Ayien to suffer as a backbone of the facility.
She definetely is a tempting force in Ruina. Giving people a bite of the tree of knowledge in the form of Light. We'll see how it goes in future titles
All always saw it very similar to persona 4. Apart from the Shadow (distorsión) and Persona (Ego) link, is more sbout the finall boss, the god mother, Izanami, the one who wants to hear Man's subconcious wish and grants it. Thus, Shadows. And how those with Ego had to make themselves hear as to keep reality concinstant but slighly better. Specially with Golden's ending, having Marie, a part of the godess that has interacted with man and thus is closer to them, being the new main personality of the whole porfolio to the point she controls the weather of the region directly. Also, carmen is basicly her chunni self, like Ayin's Adam, EVA! XD
Project Moon's works encompass what I see as my near perfect ideal of what my favorite game would be. A story both beautiful and at times painful where the main cast go through torturous experiences and absolute hell, only to come through the other end not only stronger but better and more complete as people. And a deep and complex world absolutely DRIPPING with lore, often abstract secrets, and references to literature, religion, and mythology. Needless to say I absolutely adore Project Moon and their games.
Despite getting spoiled and not playing the project moon games at all this game has one the most beautiful and god tier lore ever made literally the best example of the line "there’s no heros in this story only villans and victims" (who knows even maybe I may try playing these games when I’m have the recommended age for the age rating of this game)
i somewhat disagree with you on the Tiphereth meltdown. The theme is "holding on". Tiphereth A was trying to hold on to Tiphereth B, refusing to move forward (represent in the game as refusing you to JUST END THE DAY ALREADY sorry i cant) and the day only end when she let go of Tiphereth B and move on, reflected in her patron librarian dialogue
In my opinion on the guests in library of ruina, I saw the power scaling of groups who went to fight in the library and the better gear each group had as the equivalent to historical stories of mercenary groups and the well known fairy tale trope of enchanted items and artifacts. Heck, you even have the cliche of a unique weapon that's wielded by the person as well as the experienced old soldier.
Tiphereth's core suppression reactivates the qliphoth meltdowns in the upper floors. It's not nothing, but it's also not much, since there's probably not an Aleph up there. Also Ogier is another paladin that is mentioned when Roland reunites with Olivier.
The reason for Gebura being language, might be because it allows you to understand other people, which then enables you to judge whether what they do/did is "right". This could be implied by Kali waiting to attack her thought to be friends, to determine if it was a misunderstanding, whereas Roland attacked everyone indiscriminately, (as far as I can tell it might not need any connection to Angelina for him to attack (or extremely minor reasons)). This also leans towards the "serving justice" of Gebura, since Roland as opposed to Kali and enlightened Gebura, does not humor being wrong about serving his "justice", once a possible target is found. Can't be sure though, since this is all my own interpretation of why Gebura is language, based only on the game story, and the gebura analysis in this video, since this video is (basically) all my knowledge of the karbala tree of life, and I dont know what went through the writers heads when this was determined.
Great Video, fun to listen to while i drive. I do have one thing I think you're somewhat wrong about, specifically that Abel was named only for having an "A" for the name scheme. Abel fits his name in a bit in the sense that they are both "victims" or at least Lob. Corp Abel sees himself as one. As during his dialogue one of his biggest hang ups is that he's not strong enough to progress against what the world throws against him. He rants on and on about how he's sees himself as doing nothing wrong in wanting to achieve Carmen's ambitions and that the world keeps beating him down. In a similar way Abel is such a victim, he's doing nothing wrong in obeying God and doing what he believes is good only to be murdered by someone else, not for anything he can understand he did wrong, to the point that God finds out when Abel's blood screams to the heavens for vengeance. Lob Corp Abel is similarly screaming at his own impotence but there's no God to help him. I'd say he's named as such as he views himself as a blameless victim that the world around him is bullying, which kinda matches how many of the Sephirah you need to deal with to progress are very outward focused. Malkuth's want to prove herself to others, Yesod's impetus is when he feels he's failed others, Hod's desire to be helpful to others and Netz's hate of the world around him. On Abram, yes it is referencing Abraham, In fact according tot he Bible Abram was Abrahams name before he met God and was named Abraham by God. I'd also say that doubt is a very big factor in his name, more speculative but he's doubting not only himself but in the "Plan". Compared to the previous one who's outwardly projecting the blame, now he's looking inward and doubting if he was right to believe in the greater thing and if that greater thing actually will work out. I'd think of it how would Bible Abraham would have felt as he climbed the mountain to sacrifice his son, there must have been doubts on whether he should see it through, it's not the start of the climb where things feel distant nor the top where he steels himself to move forward, but with each step upward and no response from God, the doubt grows. So this variant of Ayin is weighed down not just by guilt but doubt as well. He's getting closer able to handle the physical climb but unsure if what he's doing is right or not. The Sephirah here also have very internal hang ups, Tiph's loss of faith in tomorrow, Geb's self-hatred for seeing herself not doing enough, and Chesed's self-hatred for not being able to do anything. And Adam, it's pretty obvious why he's named as such but i also think it ties into a flaw in that Adam is too "gullible" so to speak. By this point Ayin's conquered the perceived threats outside himself for not being good enough to do the plan and conquered his inner doubt and guilt, at this point nothing should be a problem only that he takes it too far and tries to rationalize everything and we see the conclusion he's come up with, He has faith in the plan and faith in himself...so why not try and interpret and make sense of the plan himself instead of having faith in the original planner and just doing what needs to be done. As Adam was convinced by Eve to take a bite out if the fruit, Lob Corp Adam convinced himself that his interpretations were the way both being tricked into committing sin. There's more but i think this is already really too long of a comment. Love the video.
Oh, that's a really good narrative throughline! With Abel, I got really focused on the lines of "We have all the time in the world" and his insistance on having to keep repeating the cycle rather than move forward, hence my conclusion.
I really love Tiphereth core suppression for its both sides that no one mention 1) Without good balance, nothing really changes. Except that it WILL take much longer time to come in terms with everything. Both human and lob corp can prevail challenges, but in the end you spend too much time to get where you are right now 2) And Tiphereth itself doesnt tries to ruin everything or seek for admission. But rather lament for her brother, crying with agony and despair. And even soundtrack feels like heavy depression in which you just sink. Deeper with each phase Only thing she wanted by this suppression is just one day to cry for her brother. And this is why im so happy to see her smile in Ruina. Such a good girl she is
I didn't check all comments, but I think that "Lobotomy" in L Corp.'s name may also be connected with our rebellion against The City structure. After all, The City is governed by A Corp. which is called "The Head" and lobotomy is performed on a human head (I guess more on a brain, but brain is inside a head xD). It is a bit stretched, but just wanted to share my opinion. Anyway, great video! I really enjoy your interpretation of a game lore.
I'm noticing that there's a lot of conversation on White Night going on, so I thought I'd throw my hat in. White Night represents two drastically different things. From an in-universe perspective, its the collective unconscious understanding of what an antichrist figure looks like. It goes around, performing miracles and acts of what look like charity while actually converting its followers into monsters before going making an attempt at full domination. The ambiguities as to its motivations or whether it's lying tie in to the many different interpretations of an antichrist. Honestly, I feel like I shouldn't have even bothered writing that out because it's the concept is just ubiquitous. Narratively speaking, it's 100% Carmen. Ayin and the Sephirah are the 11, and Angela comes in last as the sinner. The interaction with One Sin foreshadowed the self-sacrifice attempted by Angela at the ending of Library. The Plague Doctor walks around, genuinely attempting to heal those in need and naturally gathering followers because it's a rare source of positivity in the city. Eventually she transforms into a monster that does way more damage than good by any reasonable metric, but still frames her actions as being that of a savior. I'd bet the twist here is that Carmen's plan was fucked from the very beginning. Like the lobotomy, what she thought was a miracle cure was actually a terrible, horrifying procedure that would cripple its victims in a deep and permanent way. A more positive take: lobotomies attack and cripple part of a person's head. A lobotomy for the city might only be interested in crippling the Head. That said, this all hinges on the writers having the major plot points of Ruina laid out years in advance. 10/10 essay. You said it was going to be chaotic, but I thought everything came together really nicely. My favorite little tidbit was the comparison between how One Sin and White Night wear their crowns, which I completely missed.
@@LastMinuteEssays Hey, I know this is from forever ago in internet time, but I think I found out where the name WhiteNight came from: the Jonestown cult used to have contingency plans in place for if American government officials came to investigate. They'd rehearse the whole drinking the koolaid thing. Both the rehearsals and the mass suicide were called white nights. So yeah, pretty on the nose.
Carmen's plan mostly had me going ''oh yeah yeah thats good yeah sure!'' then I learned about the whole distortion part of it and I went ''oh no no thats bad please dont.'' I completely understand spreading the light and allowing the denizens of the City to gain hopes and dreams again, but the whole giving everyone ego or distortions is crazy as fuck.
I wodnt say Ayin is a sociopath, just very very VERY Shaded, same with the small child that died. You can see it in the option we get, X is ayin withouth memories, his more RAW self, where we have both cinical and hopefull answer, and the 3 options we sometime get is more a Ayin, Benjamin or carmen option, so is more temathic than anything (choose C by th way) About carmen: At Least you got it, i saw a LOT of Carmen hate apear after Ruina tho, was kinda funny seeing people hating angela at the end of L corp, and then pass to cheer her on and hate carmen, humans really are simple minded :p SPECIALLY the ketter realization People took a while to realize the angela in the fight was the part of her that sprung from carmen, the carmen that was traumatize and wont let go. Mostly as inmediatly after the carmen in the light talk to her. Causing this confusion that was Carmen hersel trying to stop the Angela, which make no sense by that point. And the escene mostly expose how both recognize each other but difer in how things must be, with carmen searching for ANY expresion of humanity and Angela, like how Ayin has to pass adam, wanting an Ego guided world.
"Sociopath" in this context is not a moustache-twisting villain or anything, it's just that A genuinely seems to struggle with empathy, seen in scenes like completely ignoring Elijah even as she is dying before him or just hanging up on Daniel over the intercom. He can feel emotions, he genuinely loved Carmen, but it takes him millions of cycles of hell itself to actually understand his closest circle of friends and make amends to them. Also I'm fully fine with the idea it was irl Carmen in the light, especially as those actions and motifs fit with her voice guiding the events and the Library acting of its own volition at times. People change, and Carmen is in the peculiar situation where she can adjust her methods but not her purpose, becoming parts of the light herself.
@@LastMinuteEssays I also would very much disagree even by that definition of sociopath. We see in the flashbacks and mirrors that his actions are killing him, A deep down is a caring person like Carmen described him and the suffering of his freinds breaks him apart. He's even damaged by what he did to Garion despite her actions. So why the lack of empathy? Because he's forcing himself, he was entrusted with a goal and to meet that in a place like the city he steeled himself as much as he could to. As Binah said he swallowed these fears and it made him by her description one of the people best suited to survive in the city. It's not that he lacked this empathy rather it was already there and is what caused him to break in the first place when he couldn't just ignore it anymore.
Something that might have been obvious but worth pointing out is that the floor names in Library of Ruina are based on how actual Korean librarys are organized with the Korean Decimel Classification system albiet with some swapping around. This could explain how some floor names are kind of a stretch to match with the patron librarian like Geburas as PM has to use all the name somewhere. Also amazing video. Really helps to show just how much depth PM put into tying together so many different sources of literature, religion, and 2 whole different game plots and have the sources match with the game characters.
I remember hearing that all the members of the head were named from very old korean (at this point no one really understand). For instance Garion for binah means white horse with black mane.
according to this wiki page: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garion_(band), Garion is also a South Korea hip hop group that pioneered Korea's underground hip-hop scene.
After Limbus Company I'm willing to bet that the next story will involve Carmen as either the main antagonist, or something closer to what Ayin, Roland and Angela were, flawed damaged beings in need of atonement. All of the people in Lobotomy had their moment of introspection. I think it's fair Carmen gets one. Right now she seems to believe that people can't be fully selfless but still wants them to be true to themselves and free of the abusive city. So she's focusing on the next "best" thing, being selfish. Thus creating distortions.
@@InsertUsernameHere_a First off it has never been confirmed that Ayin is still in the light. After Ruina Angela released the light and all the people that were part of it were scattered around the city. Second it was never stated what kind of boss Dante was only that he was a “bigwig” in his previous life. Although if Dante was described as a boss that treated his employees poorly there is no reason that would exclude Ayin. Following up that point, Faust during ch3 says that “Dante’s identity is kept the highest level of classified in Limbus Company.” At this point in the story everyone except Faust who has encountered Dante has never seen technology like his head. His head being a prosthetic that can manipulate time, is most likely a product of TimeTrack which Ayin has huge ties to. I never said this theory was confirmed just that there was evidence for it.
I am so glad I found your channel thanks to the Limbus Company vid you posted. Keep up the good work and thank you for giving us this. Edit: Aaaaand with having watched the video since the beginning and it finally finishing. Thank you so, so much for putting in the effort. Despite the length being an hour thirty, your narration never felt boring or uninteresting, and you were able to explain things in a way that didn’t make it more complicated or confusing. The fact the entire video is subbed is something I will forever be grateful for. I’d write something more eloquent but I stayed up until 10 where I’m from and it is closing in on midnight. But just know that your effort did not go to waste, in this video or all your others. Thank you again and I look forward to your future videos!
I love your analysis! It is great to see the references that the game is making explained so clearly. It got me thinking that I also find it interesting how Yesod's abnormalities in particular, as well as relating to the abuse of technology theme, can directly tie into the reading of him dealing with OCD and/or compulsive self harm, as well as the events that happened to him in Lobcorp. If anyone is interested, I will outline what I mean: ///warning for discussion of OCD and compulsive self-harm /// Forsaken Murderer- His attacks are violent behaviours that lash out at others but also seem self harming, like bashing your own head against the wall. Considering the trauma Gabriel faces, I think that the fact that F.M. is fully restrained and lashing out is also a blatant reference to one of the triggers for his compulsions (or at least a factor that made his compulsions far worse). All around Helper- I think as the line between cleanliness (or more aptly, order) and rot is so common in Yesod's story, a machine that tries to follow its program to clean so obsessively to the point that it ends up causing harm is quite relevant to this theme. Singing Machine- Everything about this abnormality is about how difficult compulsion is to deal with. The Funeral of Dead Butterflies- Yesod's repressed grief and his inability to let himself mourn was such an important part of his character arc and is, again, one of the factors that contributes to the worsening of his compulsions. Der Freischutz- I'll admit, the allegory gets muddier here, but I think there is something to be found in the idea of living a life where you are so focused on maintaining a "perfect shot" (out of will or necessity/compulsion) that your own passions and human connections are destroyed as a result. This could tie into Yesod's self-imposed isolation and obsession with perfectly following rules, as a maladaptive coping mechanism for the grief that he feels. As someone who lives with these things myself, I find Yesod and the way that he is written across both games to be extremely meaningful. It would take a whole other paragraph to explain how these tie perfectly into Angela's character as well. I adore the theme in this game that even though Angela and the sephirot come from different places and went through different things in their cycles, there is a lot of similarity to be found in the emotions they all need to process. At any rate, great video! Thanks for getting me thinking!
@@LastMinuteEssaysthankyou! I'm so glad you liked it!! Honestly one of the best things about these games is that there's so many readings you can have for them. A common theme of my fave stories is that they give you multiple lenses to view everything with 😂
iirc i thought the smoke war was between two wings over the form of power generation before Labotomy Corp took over that function in the city. The method ending up creating a dence smog to cover the city that, over time, cause people to mutate. dove tailing into the BlackSwan abnormality as exposure to the smog affected her and her siblings.
Ayin and friends needed to depose the L Corp to become a Wing and afaik, Benjamin was involved in getting the Udjat to fight in the war. But a lot of corps picked sides and tried to profit off of it
true. i never thought about the L corp that came before Labotomy corp. and kind ended up only skimming later books. the Udjat were one of my favorite keypages near the end.
DEFINITELY going to be giving this a full listen later, but for now I do want to drop the quick note: Since we're following the Abrahamic faiths, it makes far more sense for Angela to be LILITH than Satan or Lucifer. Lilith and Eve tie in a similar way to Angela and Carmen, while Angela's attempts to deviate from the script or her refusal to idly comply to Ayin's wishes follow the same reason why Lilith was banished from the Garden of Eden. Literally an instigator of corruption, Lilith and Angela seize the sefirot away from mankind and lead them away from enlightenment, robbing them of the Light.
I am grateful that the language barrier has been eased these days. Like before the Tower of Babel collapsed haha. With my poor English skills, I could at least emanate my E.G.O. as a google translator. I salute your vast work. I fell in love with the game of Project Moon after watching the analysis video of Lobotomy Corporation made by a Korean before. They were creating their own amazing scriptures in this world where human values are fading. What I'm saying is that this video of you can really affect a lot of people. Great creations need great analysts. This is because many people can find it difficult to master this amazing value on their own. In Korea, the values were not well organized until the video I mentioned earlier was released. You showed a very high quality analysis despite the huge amount of data. To the point where I'm excited and shudder. It's even important that no one has ever analyzed Library Of Ruina so sophisticated and holistic. Before I watched this video, I thought Library Of Ruina was less symbolic than Lobotomy Corporation. But you enlightened me. Thank you SOOOOO much. I don't know if there's small mistakes in this excellent video, let's just ignore minor and unimportant mistakes. There are minor errors in their game, and even Dostoevsky confused the names of the characters in Crime and Punishment. And we can face the figures of Crime and Punishment in the Limbus Company lol. I want to convey my feelings completely, but it's a shame that I'm not good at English. Again, I salute you for your excellent analysis and excellent media production to help understand. And thank you for providing English subtitles. If it weren't for the subtitles, I'd have to give up this great video crying. P.S. 56:15 I loved this amazing joke. I couldn't stop laughing LOL.
Learning about Kabbalah mysticism from L Corp/Ruina was a pretty fun thing. This is why I love games and stories, getting piqued by new culture and trivia both fictional and real did more for my learning than school ever had. In that vein, apparently there's an eleventh 'hidden' Sephirah in the tree called "Da'at" or "Daath" that I wonder if you'd be willing to make an additional bit on? As I think that position fits Angela, and Carmen, quite significantly as the 'forgotten Sephirah'. The first in L Corp where Ayin still couldn't bear to acknowledge her even to the end, and in both then and Library how Carmen was apparently conscious and neglected. Left with their traumas without a Suppression, the former sabotaged the plan and the latter became the voice of Distortion.
I did mention it briefly in the Loose Threads part, as Carmen's body appears on Day 50, exactly where Da'at would be. It's not forgotten as much as hidden, as it represents knowledge and is a way to ponder upon Keter, which by itself is unknowable. As Carmen was the one that brought all this immaterial funhouse into reality, the fits that place really well. As mentioned in some comment below, Angela also fits as a Qliphoth equivalent of Carmen. And the reverse of Da'at...is still Da'at apparently.
@@LastMinuteEssays Yeah finding relatively succinct details about the Sephirot that doesn't tangent off into meandering proselytizing has been tough, given the overtly religious sources that would mostly likely write about it. As with the 'hidden' nature of Da'at and its relation with Keter, the snippet I'd found spoke of it in the reverse? That if Da'at was able to manifest, there would be no need for Keter, created as the lens through which the light of God is filtered through when the initial creation of the Sephirot stumbled. The lower seven vessels breaking as the light was poured into them, leaving only the top three Sephirah intact. Or how Da'at does remains itself in both Sephirot and Qliphoth, as "Knowledge" and "Abyss", both the great divide from and bridge to the realm of God. Lots of fragmented bits like these?
Kabbalah is an oral tradition that is ages old, got somewhat codified in 13th century and any serious attempts at cataloging all the different writings on it only showed up in the 20th. Not to mention the culture it originates from was scattered all around the world and influenced by their neighbours over time (and vice versa). Differences in readings and interpretations are always to be expected, let alone in a situation like this.
Considering Carmen is also another Godly figure, the other Ayin being named Abel makes sense as he is someone that is favored by Carmen. Not to mention in the biblical story, abel was the one that sacrificed his best lamb, while cain just went for offering his fruits. Ayin is definitely someone who sacrificed things that can be considered important to him.
A little note about Elena. When she became a Star of the City, the White Nights and Black Days had already happened some time ago. And she for the first time became a Star of the City. Thanks for the village from Distortion Detective we clearly know at least more than 3 years passed between LC ending and LoR beggining. And one more thing. She isn't a Distortion, but a pure Bloodfiend. Distortion is phenomena which happened only after WN and BD, when Bloodfiends existed far more before this. (A little theory time: if Bloodfiends are some kind of human race, according to Elena, then perhaps they may also distort, but because of its nature it doesn't appear in normal way.)
@@LastMinuteEssays the nature of Bloodfiends is a smoky...foggy... Uncertain one, yeah (sorry for my English). Anyway the video is great! You put a lot of effort into this
i don't remember a 3 year gap between LC and LoR being mentioned. Distortion detective's story needs to happen during LoR story because Oscar's credenza mentions DD cast and the distortion "laundry of dream" is mentioned in a LoR cutseen and it gets captured in DD
@@angelamybeloved of course you don't remember it's being mentioned because it is not mentioned. The 3 year gap can be calculated. In village in DD was 102 villagers at the beginning, every month one of them was sacrificed. At the moment Moses and Ezra arrived there was 54 villagers. Then it's easy to calculate that 3,8 years passed. Not to mention Library already an Urban Legend. And because of it 3 years is approximate number. The gap maybe more, but not less.
@@velzegret that sure checks up but it feels kinda wrong because the pianist was the first high level of distortion and it happened after white nights and dark days happened and i believe the first high level distortion threat wouldn't happen only after 3 years. Roland went berserk after that and i don't believe Roland would go berserk for around 3 years without dying like in the bad ending of him so i am not saying you are wrong in fact you sound right but it feels wrong
Though I did watch this video all the way through the one thing I have to say and it's not even about the video itself but peoples interpretation you bring up about Enoch being suicidal because he "has the eyes of an adult" when... that usually implies a child has seen shit no kid is supposed to and grew up a lot faster kind of says A LOT about what those same people must think being an adult is like and suddenly I can see why Roland is really loved and relatable to people which is... sad. But hey, new book recommendations at least.
Holy cow I watch whole video and i don't regret, and with Enoh suicidal thoughts he mabe have them but he also thinking "When I gone what happen to Lisa I wan't her suffer". And these art's are really great I love them. This is all, see you next time
Just rewatched this for the 5th-ish time (though i usuallyend up missing something due to its length), and realised that bina's original name not being religious, as she was an outside, and never believed (or would) in A's/Carmen's plan, before becoming a robot, and even then, only when shown she was not right about A and the plan (at least from what I can see).
I think you missed something with the lobcorp abnormality loose thread part? Some of the abnormalities are based on various phobias, or fears of stuff. They are monsters created from humanity's collective subconcious, (I'm pretty sure?) so makes sense that they are monster versions of various shared fears. Anyways point is that you could've probably gone over what phobias those abnos are based on. Rudolta would be fear of christmas Christougenniatikophobia awesome word btw, (though it is classified as fairytale and not trauma, so not sure about it). spider bud would be arachnophobia. And Queen Bee is fear of bees- apiphobia. This was a really great video though.
@@LastMinuteEssays there so many things that also overlap on one another, like prince of silence can also be a representataion of the major arcana Death which is the 13 one or whitenight is the phobia of religion and gods
my friend brought me back to playing item asylum (on roblox) and there are so many project moon references. i thought the lobotomy corp references were pretty cool. i looked into it a bit more and saw it had a so much more to it. now i will watch this entire playlist from start to finish, taking every piece of information in, and i will enjoy it. this is your fault kian. edit: HOLY CRAP LAST MINUTE ESSAYS SAW MY COMMENT AND NOTICED ME
Want to add something on your comments on nothing there. Nothing there don't just imitate people, he imitates people with high fortitude and justice, Which somewhat means that he wants to imitate just one person or some kind of person. And if we going off his back story that he is one of the first abnos created means he very likely has faced Kail multiple times. That means he has learned from Kali, And he has learned quite a lot. Remember, the old facility has no other agents. There's only researchers and a fixer from the backstreets, which is Kali. So he imitates people that he sees often, So he wants to imitate Kali. And I willing to bet on a hunch that the insta kill nothing there has is the imitation of Kali's great split vertical. Just think about it, It makes too much sense.
Also on a narrative lens, It could mean a persons desire to become others, Become something that is more powerful than itself, become anything more powerful then itself, Become most powerful heroes on TV that can solve everything through hard work, The utter refusal to accepting yourself to the point to attack others when they somehow finds out. Or in another angle, It could be viewed as a person utterly failed at understanding human emotion, Like a parrot that only learns the patterns but not the meaning, But it wants to, So it starts to look at other humans for what it lacks, organs, skeletal structure Brains? anything, anything! Looking for answer that is not there and forever will not be there, a mindless search in anger and frustration,and kills anything that it thinks has the Answer.
The fact that Ruina confirms Mimicry was extracted from Nothing There early into the existance of the facility and given to Kali would support this quite a bit too, yeah. Nice catch.
about the relation between whitenight and carmen, i think whitenight represents angela, not carmen. This relates to the trinity symbolism too, A is the father, B is the holy spirit, while C is the son, or Jesus. Carmen is the one that shows herself to the public, the one that rallies the people to her cause. Angela, on the other hand, is an imitation of Carmen, just like how the antichrist is an imitation of christ, and i think its pretty clear that whitenight is basically the antichrist. But i do think that the previous form of whitenight, the plague doctor, might symbolize carmen. after all, carmen is a 'doctor' trying to cure a 'plague' that infects peoples mind, the 'disease of the mind'. This fits with my interpretation that angela is whitenight because whitenight, or angela, is the second form of the plague doctor, or carmen.
Pointing out that while Whitenight may not be directly attributable to Carmen it is definitely a metaphor for at least Lobotomy Corporation and maybe the latter plans of Carmen. Even if this isnt a very good direct corelation like you said with the number of apostles it can be infered from the fact that Whitenight and apocalypse bird are opposites sides of the same coin as shown from the way that their E.G.O. Gifts are displayed in Lob, one wing on each side of the body but of opposite color. With bird being The Head, and the only opposite of The Head being Lobotomy Corporation as far as I can see. The Head attempting to save the city via restrictions and punishment only to be the thing that ends up chaining it into even more violence, and Lobotomy Corporation attempting to save the city by giving everyone the 'freedom' to be exactly what their emotions demand which isnt always the best as shown with the ensemble. Now this brings up some interesting points as who is Whitenight and who is one sin, with by far the funniest being Angela as this stories version of Jesus and Carmen as The Antichrist. Yet the scene at 1:23:19 shows (not completely in this video) the distortions that Angela Lob have actually being Carmen trying to make Angela LoR commit to her emotions and destroy ayins plans, right after this is revealed Angela tells Carmen "As long as i'm part of this light, i'll do everything in my power to stop you.". So points for Angela LoR being the good guy and Carmen/Angela Lob being the bad guy. Also 1:22:20 them finding conclusions on the other parts of the tree may while starting off from opposite sides may be to show how when mapped to the human body each hempisphere of the brain controls the opposite eye as said in 39:05.
One interpretation of one sin and a hundred good deeds I found online was a representation of Ayins plan One big horrible sin that leads to a hundred good deeds Lobotomy corporation is that sin
this was fantastic. i can't even think of a coherent comment, i'm just going to walk away and explode on the spot because what do i do with this information
Welcome to Grimdark. 4:35 - Ah yes, the group therapy sessions. The full cybernetic replacement bodies would make R2-D2 snigger with derision. 23:27 - Sentient opium poppy. 25:45 - Genderbent Joker?...who later reaches puberty. 29:00 - Basically they're Anime come to life, the DOOM of worlds! 29:50 - The bada**! 32:07 - Some were deserving, some were not. 32:36 - They liked Studio Ghibli, didn't they? 33:33 - According to the artbook, she was a survivor of the Black Silence's attack on the Middle in the south. 43:07 - In the case of Angela's creation, they caused what they tried to prevent. 1:01:40 - Think Slo-mo in Dredd and you'll get an idea of what it's like in her head. A cycle of samsara is how I put it. 1:13:30 - According to the Distortion Detective, Bloodfiends predated the White Nights and Dark Days. 1:24:22 - The first abnormality made by Lobotomy Corporation. It's possible that she's not the same person that she was before she created Bloodbath.
I'd like to point out something mentioned in the book of the Red Mist that I've never seen an answer to. When Enoch dies, the book has a line indicating there was some sort of sign Enoch was going to die. I haven't seen this sign talked about but one of the things that rub me the wrong way is the way the Prototype Mimicry E.G.O speaks being EXTREMELY close to Nothing There's speech and leads to me wondering if the ego was extracted from whoever became Nothing There after their mind was extracted... if this is the case. Nothing There is earlier in the time line then I've seen people suggest as in Lobotomy corp an abnormality is taking the form of another person, and so this has to be Nothing There but it seems to be a matured Nothing There that HAS started to steal skin and not just a new Nothing There. This detail always strikes me as strange as why would ENOCHS DEATH be timed with Gebura conjuring her ego. I would love the ability to read more of the red mists book than what we can read so that we could figure out how the story develops much more. It's just this idea suggests Nothing is early in the timeline, potentially a bit before Carmen dies. I don't think Nothing There is after Gebura becomes a sefirot, I do not think Nothing There is mimicking the prototype ego. I think the prototype is a prototype of Nothing's ego and was the prototype for all future Egos.
I thought the abnormality "the lady facing the wall" was base off the myth of Eurydice and Orpheus. Mainly how Orpheus must not look back at Eurydice in order to free her from the underworld. (The legacy versions did stated that her ability was called, Orpheus)
There is a Fnaf Fan song called "I can't fix you" It fits Lobotomy and Runia so much I hate myself and everyone needs to listen to it to understand me.
Outstanding video so far, but I had to chime in at Hod in that the way you talked of her directly reminded me of the Hebrew concept of Teshuvah, which is poorly translated as "Redemption", though has a closer meaning of "returning to the right path". It's a big deal in Hebrew ethics afaik, and it seems to follow Hod's story to the letter.
Ok so I have some ideas about the Pinocchio fight so gonna dump them here sorry. So in the story the Real Human goal was only added halfway through to give it an endpoint which has bothered people for ages. But that actually ties in perfectly with the Abnormality fight and Angela's goal. The fight is Pinocchio trying to become human by mimicking people hoping to figure out what makes a human from there like how Angela thinks she needs the book to become human and has no real idea of how to accomplish it outside of using other people as stepping stones. The problem with the original story and Angela's actual obstacle is that Pinocchio already thinks and acts like a human but won't ever be acknowledged as such until he makes himself useful (which is supposed to be character development and still fits Angela but eh) and gains a human body. So like Angela being denied her humanity by A and the Head. Also sure Roland lies a lot but his lie that brought him to the library is the one thing that makes him still act and feel human when the entire Floor of Language realization fight proves he just feels like a murderous beast otherwise. So the lies are what make him human but aren't really solving anything. And the whole Marionette deal just fits Angela having to follow a script and then Carmen's plan and Roland going along with the PT plan. The realization fight making you point out lies is just the original story beat of being a good boy and growing and all that which in the nose growing scene was just the fairy making him stop deflecting and drink the damn medicine but fits with them having to confront things head on and grow.
This was a wonderful video and breakdown, thank you. It makes me sad Project Moons most recent game is a gacha game. I hope future titles bring back Angela and Roland
I apologize if someone already mentioned this or I’m just off since it’s more christian so slightly off topic but Giovanni is italian for John. John the Baptist would fit how Giovanni knew Carmen since childhood and was so loyal to her I think.
Not sure if I'll be able to watch this whole thing due to me not knowing what it's even about, but I hope I'll be able to watch it nonetheless cuz OFC im gonna watchin my friend's content :)
Finally!! I have found it!! The video of PJ fans summarizing the story and someone who speak the same language as me!! ROLANG!! Thank you for doing a summarizing too, the PJ universe is pretty huge and it takes quite a dedication for people to even get into it. This will be a bit easier for others to maybe build some interests. Sorry for the late discovery too. TH-cam has been giving me weird recommendations up until now
It's a small channel, I'm glad that the video is doing as well as it is honestly. As for giving something for people to get into Projmoon, I have another project in the works for that. But it's gonna take time.
Geburah's floor in ruina is about the power of language. Communication is about expressing a thought to the world and in the city violence speaks. It is the way by which ideas assert themselves. Fixers, ostensibly problem solvers for the rich, all embrace this notion as they equip themselves with deadly weapons. In so much as kali herself dispenses justice, it's her way of expressing the pain she feels at the cruelty of the city. Likewise, the abnormalities of the floor are linguistic. Riding hood and the wolf tell themselves their place. Nosferatu defines itself by its cries , yearning for unsated desire, the mountain of bodies reminding of the abandoned perspectives and Nothing There shows the shallowness of language without meaning. The floor is all about manifesting ones language, the justice, through whatever means express that idea.
Could you not say that Angela is the Qliphoth of Carmen? Carmen wished to save the world while LobCorp Angela only cared about herself. This would also explain why WhiteNight’s initial appearance in the Floor of Religion Realization looks like Angela in the ruina OP (black feathers bound by golden threads) WhiteNight is a false savior and so some of its parallels being drawn to Angela would make sense as Angela is a corrupted version of the savior Carmen. The analogy does not work all the way since Angela has no apostles but I think that there is at least some intended relation. As for Carmen turning people into distortions. In Ruina it mentions that those who take their life want to live the most, and I think this applies to Carmen. This desire to live is in some way her motivation for turning people into distortions.
Oh, these are good points! If Carmen is to be traced onto Da'at/Knowledge, then Angela literally erects an ivory tower where the knowledge (books) is the end, not a mean to another goal. It works!
@@LastMinuteEssays Fun fact The death tree's equivalent of Da'at is..... Da'at! Yes, Da'at has no counterside... OR DOES IS? it is said that knowledge is one of the greatest weapons of humanity... And a human who "knows" is capable of great good and great evil Using that as a baseline one could se why Da'at has technically no counterside... It's neutral, or rather, it's true no matter which side of the spectrum it sides with Da'at is capable of holding the positivity of all sephira, and at the same time, all the negativity of the qliphot Makes sense that the one person unable to move on at the end of lobotomy corporation is the one that was left with all the filth the rest were able to clear
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I believe it was mentioned in a QnA with Project Moon that the reason Lobotomy Corp is tied with Lobotomies is because the procedure typically reduced emotional response to the things happening around the individual. This can fit with Angela or Ayin.
Oooooh. Makes sense, too
@@LastMinuteEssays I was gonna say because the creation of abnormalities is, in a way, a form of lobotomy, as you are taking pieces of a human's mind and taking them out by giving them a physical form
or more literally in how you can boost your employees stats by paying a form of influence for it.
@@niaford690 it could be interpreted in that way, but the only direct confirmation we got regarding Lobotomies was tied to thematic purposes.
Or the player! You get desensitized to things haha
A sidenote: Ayin's immediate rejection of Angela upon her opening her eyes is also likely a reference to Frankenstein by Mary Shelley, wherein Victor Frankenstein (college dropout) uses spare parts taken from corpses which he dug up in order to create an artificially living being, one who is handsome... except for the uncanniness of its eyes and the paleness of its skin (the Pale Librarian), which causes Frankenstein to reject the creature the moment its eyes opened.
Similarly to Angela's role in the story, Adam Frankenstein (oh look, another biblical reference) serves as an antagonist who goes out of his way to inflict personal tragedy upon Victor out of a desire for revenge over his abandonment. And, bringing the thematic link all together, Adam started off wanting to help and befriend people, but his nature as a scientific monster drove people away and cause him to harden his heart and become a villain, with his travels before reuniting with Victor ending in him becoming well-read enough to read Paradise Lost - the tale of the fall of Lucifer, the other story which Angela is based off of.
Something interesting is the inversion of the end of Lobotomy Corporation and the end of Frankenstein; in Frankenstein, Victor dies a miserable man after being targeted for tragedy by Adam, with his death causing Adam to remorse and become driven to suicide, but in Lobotomy Corporation, Ayin goes into the Light and dies happily after successfully facing and surpassing the issues caused by Angela, who realizes her desire to live her own life afterwards.
I wanted to share a thing I haven't really see brought up anywhere.
Carmen's name originates from the Hebrew word karmel, meaning "garden", and in the context of at least Lobotomy Corp, she partially represents the Garden of Eden-- in the sense of her being emblematic of what could be described as the closest thing to 'paradise' (in the hellscape of the City) for the people surrounding Carmen.
This paradise being irreversibly ruined by biting into the "fruit of knowledge"-- the actual first test of Cogito on a person, the *knowledge* of what it would actually do. It even can kinda link into Eve as well, in the fact that Carmen was the original prime candidate for the Cogito experiment, mirroring Eve being the first to bite into the fruit.
Hell, after merging with the Light, Carmen's current stint of being a sort of devil-on-your-shoulder tempter (of unclear moral motives), also invokes the serpent in the Garden of Eden as well.
So yeah, Carmen = "Garden"; as both The Eden/Paradise forever lost, The Eve originally meant to bite into the Fruit of Knowledge first, and now as The Serpent working to tempt people into "Sin"/Distorting.
I haven't seen anyone talk about Carmen's name and it's potential thematic significance (at least anywhere I could find), and I think it's a bit of an untapped well (lol)
Ah, that's a good catch, thank you
That’s interesting
So basically a alternate version of Eve that became the devil
1:22:00
Fun fact: if you look at the artbook, Director Kim Johoon, the Developer, noted this:
"The Black Silence’s gloves are more than just dimensional weapon storage. When the Black Silence shows up, the gloves muffle all sound in the surroundings other than the Black Silence’s weapons cutting through the air. The logo has a ECG pulse trace going flat to reflect this."
As far as I know, ECG is sometimes used interchangeably with EKG.
Furthermore, fun fact on top of the fun fact: not only did Roland not get noticed, he was probably never even heard. The rest of the Director's note kiiiiinda confirms by stating:
"While the Red Mist is a warrior who fights in open areas, the Black Silence is analogous to an assassin carrying out missions efficiently in small spaces."
I'm just starting the video and I want to point out the "Lobotomy" has another extra context in the game
Have you noticed that the company that teleports you with trains is called "Warp" and the one that meddles with time shenanigans is called "TimeTrack"?
Most, if not all, of the corporations in the city seem to base their name on their product, and/or the singularity that makes possible their product
Well, maybe lobotomy corporation doesn't rip apart brain, but it extracts Cogito, their singularity, from the nervous system of Carmen, brain included
What's more, their singularity, the Cogito, has a very specific use... It metaphysically extracts bits and pieces of the human consciousness out to the real world, be it E.G.O., Abnormalities, or distortions...
It literally perform a metaphorical lobotomy
as much as a contradiction as it sounds, it makes sense...
It’s pretty simple, they replaced the old Lcorp so had to pick an L name and their singularity is brain stuff, so Lobotomy Corporation.
Regarding the whole Lobotomy thing, It can very much refer to Ayin who continual sacrificed more and more of his mind and personality in order to extract the facility within the Architecture Department effectively Lobotomizing himself of his previous self which is why he effectively starts the game as a blank slate until he remembers his past actions through the Suppressions
31:45 I saw someone bring a different interpretation to Gebura being the Patron Librarian of the Floor of Language, which is that violence is a universal language, not just as an obvious threat but an understandable reaction to feelings of fear, anger, and dismay.
This.
actions can speak louder than words
Off the top of my head, in Christianity, God created everything by speech, which had to take some form of language. Likewise if Gebura represented the 'strength/power' or 'means to achieve', then its possible that it's like how language is the vehicle/method of creation.
Power is the ability to achieve something, but doesnt focus on what that thing is. Similarly, language is a tool you can use to curse in xbox 360 or write beautiful prose.
I’m pretty sure it’s just a shitpost when people say that and not a genuine interpretation lmao
@@Hevymin life imitates art, the fact it's so convincingly a shitpost speaks to the idea that this is the interpretation they were going for
Great Split: Horizontal is a message all guests can understand, human distortion or otherwise
this isn't to say any other interpretation is wrong, but I think it's a valid one
The fact that the lenght of lobotomy corp had meaning blew my mind. It's amazing how much though went into this games. Also astolfo flying to the moon to get moon candy for roland is the funniest shit i've heard all day. Amazing video
I was in the middle of writing, felt a cold chill go down my spine and googled "50 days Kabbalah"
I fucking screamed when I got a hit
Trying to manage the lobotamy facility is like trying to fix a toaster while its plugged in and you and the toaster is on a bath tub full of water
And the said toaster is sentient and is trying to actively unfix itself and drop into the water
i think gebora was the patron of the floor of Language because it makes more sense then to say The floor of Communication as language is a means to share ideas. be it a verbal or physical medium...
that is to say she talks with her fists.
i heard from another channel the 4 primary stats in Lobotomy corp were based on the cardenal virtues. prudences, fortitude, justice, and temperance
I should've caught that, dammit.
Brb revoking my philosophy degree.
@@LastMinuteEssays its all good. we all love this series for how multi layered it is.
you done good work on this video.
1:00:25 While I see your point on how WhiteNight cant represent Carmen I would still say otherwise, but not from the simple angle of "oh its just convenient because numbers." Particularly I believe that the Plague Doctor, WhiteNight's predecessor, directly represents Carmen before her death, and that WhiteNight is an amalgamation of both her and Ayin's actions and beliefs after her death, similar to how an abnormality can represent the emotional state of several people like in the realizations. Specifically, I believe in Lobotomy Corp WhiteNight more represents Ayin and in LoR its starts to show more representation of Carmen
In LC Ayin treated himself as a god in the facility, and everyone else as a means to an end. He used the 10 "apostles" of Carmen as these means, and used 2 of his own as well, claiming the Twelfth, or Angela, to be a "Sinner." For proof of this, I point to the drastic change of the Plague Doctors form from the tenth to eleventh Apostle. Because the eleventh apostle has to be Binah, we can infer that the Plague Doctor is no longer representing Carmen but Ayin, or at least representing that shes dead. 11 people in the facility are supposed to obtain enlightenment, but in order to do so they need an antagonist, the twelfth to be chosen as a devil, Angela.
Admittedly, I dont see as much of a connection with LoR Carmen with WhiteNight, but there is some things. For starters, we need to consider the fact that Carmen is, in fact, both the cause of the distortions and probably clinically insane at this point. Specifically, I am of the belief that her Apostles were the Reverberation Ensemble. The Ensemble worshipped her as a sort of god, which arguably was one of their more reasonable beliefs, and followed her as such. Furthermore, taking into account the background quotes in the latter part of the Floor of Religion Realization, we can see that the statements that Paradise Lost Angela is making is scarily similar to how Carmen is acting. She wants to lead those who follow her, the Reverberation Ensemble, to a life where they realize their emotions, but when Xiao is lead by Miris into a state where she can form her own EGO, Carmen tries to force her into distorting despite the fact that she has already realized her emotions in a way she understands, obviously not caring that she did it but that she did it in a way Carmen doesnt understand. Honestly, while I dont have much here but speculation and inference, I do believe that this specific idea is going to evolve over time.
Something that I want to clarify before I post is that I dont believe that WhiteNight is purposefully malicious, but rather it ignores the suffering of those it doesnt know or care to see. Its just a different flavor of the 3 Birds, assuming its doing the right thing but not caring to find out if its not. This ideal perfectly encapsulates both the Ideals of Ayin in Lobotomy Corp and Carmen in Library of Ruina, and shows that despite them apposing the Head that its just the same outcome. This is that, and that is this.
Good insight. I always wondered if whitenight was A but its difficult to find lore and discussions on these games.
It destroyed a Wing that generated power by tapping into Hell.
Xiao comes off to me somewhat like Philip. Firstly, they were the only two people to mainfest an E.G.O in the library, and both had the same goal, retrieve those lost in the library.
But the difference was their resolve. Philip ran from the fight, while Xiao stayed to the bitter end.
@@memes_the_dna_of_the_soul5487 No, the difference actually is that Philip got mindbroken by Oswald, while Xiao basically had a nat 20 buildup to manifesting ego. They said in the story themselves that Philip was close to manifesting full ego, if only that clown hadn't broken his will. Xiao came in ready to fight to the death for revenge, got pulled out, got a good encouraging talk from one of their close friends, then fought a few more times before manifesting full ego for the sake of revenge and honoring their dead comrades. Philip came in forced to fight because the rest of his office was fighting too, then they died while begging him to run away and get help (which is smart, and he did the right thing by escaping) and then when he finally got said help he was basically peer-pressured to come fight again with 3 people who constantly brought him down and insulted him as if he was trash, then he STILL manifested partial-ego (even with the ''I'm a coward'' delulu moment) and fought to the very end, and THEN he gets unwillingly teleported to the number 1 NTR protagonist in PM, Oswald, who completely breaks him mentally while he's basically near-death. I honestly respect Philip more for putting up with this shit and still nearly getting to the finishing line than Xiao.
LoR Carmen's connection to WN is much more in how they go about influencing their followers.
This is much clearer when we see her full interaction and attempt in Leviathan.
Carmen pushes for the distortion phenomenom by doing exactly what WN does to bless their followers, she offers them redemption.
Regardless of how they've lived or their sins Carmen offers to remove that burden from them by letting them place the self above all allowing them to no longer be bound by their actions to others. In gaining that redemption they become distorted and become messengers of her will (as we saw the esemble do).
People with EGO are not redeemed in Carmen's mind (nor WN or Adams) they still struggle with their fears and are still chained by their actions. EGO isn't a loss of those fears but a stance to face them.
This again is very well told in Vergil's rejection of Carmen.
In rejecting her Vergil gains EGO but also keeps holds of his sins, to the point he considers that he will end up in hell because of it.
" This ideal perfectly encapsulates both the Ideals of Ayin in Lobotomy Corp"
I very much disagree with that.
A is notable because, while he was capable of commiting terrible deads, he could never look away from them.
Instead it tore him apart from the inside as the guilt build up, something that is impossible had he just been ignoring the suffering he caused.
As One Sin's weapon and suit state "Those who are willing to spill blood for the greater good will be readily given approval for its use" and "This suit will be no better than rags to those who have no sense of guilt".
These descriptions are at the heart of Ayin as a character, someone who will sin for the greater good but will carry the weight of those actions.
This is why he culminates in day 50 by accepting that he will never be forgiven and yet continues to spread the light and cause the fall of LC knowing full well what will happen when a wing collapses.
This is also why Vergil upon admittingt that his actions will spill blood and drag him to hell, but resolves to do it anyway for a greater cause, not only gains EGO but gains the crown of thorns symbolic of One SIn.
Because in the same vein as A Vergil is commiting sins for a cause but accepts that the means are unforgivable and he will not be forgiven for it.
Somehow, I think it's because he never broke his promise to Angelica that set Roland in motion. It was what sent him on a rampage, trying to find who was responsible for his suffering, shifting away blame for himself (which he didn't have anyways). But, as Zena so succintly put it, at this point is impossible to determine who is to blame for what might as well be a natural disaster (even tho it was man made). Is it Angela's? Ayin's? Carmen's? The City? The Head? What if the head also had a reason for establishing it's ruthless and nonsensical order?
In regards to breaking Ayin's kneecaps with a steel chair, that is one of the topics in regards to Project Moon that I have always struggled the most with. On the one hand, yeah, Ayin did a lot of really awful things in order to finish the plan. But at the same time, those actions legitimately helped the Sefirot resolve some of their emotional traumas, would have (if Angela didn't ruin it) probably helped people immensely and actually brought hope back to humanity (or at least the City which seems to be the only known major repository for humanity in this world). I think his story is very morally grey and deserves more than a casual kneecap breaking. Honestly, there's more to his story than I can think of right now with my 2:13 AM brain, but yeah.
On a side note, I find it interesting that Ayin was acknowledged to still exist in the Light similarly to Carmen. Makes me wonder if in the future he will act as a similarly paired force to Carmen as Roland is for Angela. Etc.
Huh, I could swear I replied to this but the comment is gone
Yes, absolutely, it is morally gray. A is the idea of a heroic resolve/willpower taken to such an absurd degree that it kinda transcends the trope. The end goal is so unquestionably good and world-changing that it's hard to not somewhat sympathize with not just resorting to unsavory means, but also the hellish time loop that ensures that all those sacrifices won't be for nothing.
I'd still punch him in the face right before shaking his hand though, mostly because of Angela being the one thing he didn't even bother to try and fix. It's easy to villify her and say she ruined everything, but she honestly didn't deserve anything that happened to her in Lobcorp. She did deserve a fair bit of what happens in Ruina as she was acting out of her own free will, though.
@@LastMinuteEssays It is true, he really dropped the ball by not taking proper care of Angela and she certainly did not deserve it, but I guess that's what's meant to make him human and not a paragon of virtue. I don't necessarily vilify Angela (She certainly has redeemed herself, or at least started on the path to it), but I do feel that people support her a lot more than they normally would due to her perspective being the most recent in memory because of release order.
I think the reason behind Gebura being a patron to the Floor of Language is a reference to the Tower of Babel, where it referred to the unification of all mankind under a single language that was then destroyed by God, thus causing people to speak different languages and spreading miscommunication and conflict among all people. Differences in language between people stir conflict through misunderstanding. It might be a stretch, but I think it could explain some things @Last Minute Essays
Also, the fact that Chesed is pretty much the opposite of Gebura and is the patron of the Floor of Art kinda proves my point a bit more. Art is universally understood by all people no matter what culture they come from or language they happen to speak, because art is a universal medium to express emotions, ideas, and the like. The term "A picture is worth a thousand words" rings very true in that aspect.
Nevermind I think I got it mixed up with Netzach... I'm a dumbass.
carman was an inspiring person that wanted to do good. but carman died in that bathtub and what was made from her can ultimately be devorced from that person. The Carman in Ruina seems as much apart of the light as Ayn is. as a person grows in power her voice becomes more and more pronounced, as with roland and Gebora's conversation about hearing voices as roland is near distorting himself and gebora has already manafested her ego. also Xiao as she is bordering on a brakedown only to be pulled back and calmed down by her subordinate.
it seems project moon may be positioning her as the devil that twists and corrupts those not strong enough of will to fully manifest their ego.
also if each had to face there opposite in the finale of Ruina. Angelna's is Carmen; who is another forced by Ayien to suffer as a backbone of the facility.
She definetely is a tempting force in Ruina. Giving people a bite of the tree of knowledge in the form of Light. We'll see how it goes in future titles
All always saw it very similar to persona 4.
Apart from the Shadow (distorsión) and Persona (Ego) link, is more sbout the finall boss, the god mother, Izanami, the one who wants to hear Man's subconcious wish and grants it.
Thus, Shadows.
And how those with Ego had to make themselves hear as to keep reality concinstant but slighly better.
Specially with Golden's ending, having Marie, a part of the godess that has interacted with man and thus is closer to them, being the new main personality of the whole porfolio to the point she controls the weather of the region directly.
Also, carmen is basicly her chunni self, like Ayin's Adam, EVA! XD
Project Moon's works encompass what I see as my near perfect ideal of what my favorite game would be. A story both beautiful and at times painful where the main cast go through torturous experiences and absolute hell, only to come through the other end not only stronger but better and more complete as people. And a deep and complex world absolutely DRIPPING with lore, often abstract secrets, and references to literature, religion, and mythology. Needless to say I absolutely adore Project Moon and their games.
Despite getting spoiled and not playing the project moon games at all this game has one the most beautiful and god tier lore ever made literally the best example of the line "there’s no heros in this story only villans and victims" (who knows even maybe I may try playing these games when I’m have the recommended age for the age rating of this game)
i somewhat disagree with you on the Tiphereth meltdown. The theme is "holding on". Tiphereth A was trying to hold on to Tiphereth B, refusing to move forward (represent in the game as refusing you to JUST END THE DAY ALREADY sorry i cant) and the day only end when she let go of Tiphereth B and move on, reflected in her patron librarian dialogue
Also iirc the gimmick is abnormalities escaping which can reference to get inability to hold on to others or things.
In my opinion on the guests in library of ruina, I saw the power scaling of groups who went to fight in the library and the better gear each group had as the equivalent to historical stories of mercenary groups and the well known fairy tale trope of enchanted items and artifacts. Heck, you even have the cliche of a unique weapon that's wielded by the person as well as the experienced old soldier.
Tiphereth's core suppression reactivates the qliphoth meltdowns in the upper floors. It's not nothing, but it's also not much, since there's probably not an Aleph up there.
Also Ogier is another paladin that is mentioned when Roland reunites with Olivier.
Well, it just works like pre-suppression facility, which is why I said it has no gimmick.
But ye.
Bradamante I'd also mention in the books in Ruina.
It's also technically rids qliphoth immunity during ordeals but that's about it
The reason for Gebura being language, might be because it allows you to understand other people, which then enables you to judge whether what they do/did is "right". This could be implied by Kali waiting to attack her thought to be friends, to determine if it was a misunderstanding, whereas Roland attacked everyone indiscriminately, (as far as I can tell it might not need any connection to Angelina for him to attack (or extremely minor reasons)). This also leans towards the "serving justice" of Gebura, since Roland as opposed to Kali and enlightened Gebura, does not humor being wrong about serving his "justice", once a possible target is found.
Can't be sure though, since this is all my own interpretation of why Gebura is language, based only on the game story, and the gebura analysis in this video, since this video is (basically) all my knowledge of the karbala tree of life, and I dont know what went through the writers heads when this was determined.
Great Video, fun to listen to while i drive. I do have one thing I think you're somewhat wrong about, specifically that Abel was named only for having an "A" for the name scheme. Abel fits his name in a bit in the sense that they are both "victims" or at least Lob. Corp Abel sees himself as one. As during his dialogue one of his biggest hang ups is that he's not strong enough to progress against what the world throws against him. He rants on and on about how he's sees himself as doing nothing wrong in wanting to achieve Carmen's ambitions and that the world keeps beating him down. In a similar way Abel is such a victim, he's doing nothing wrong in obeying God and doing what he believes is good only to be murdered by someone else, not for anything he can understand he did wrong, to the point that God finds out when Abel's blood screams to the heavens for vengeance. Lob Corp Abel is similarly screaming at his own impotence but there's no God to help him. I'd say he's named as such as he views himself as a blameless victim that the world around him is bullying, which kinda matches how many of the Sephirah you need to deal with to progress are very outward focused. Malkuth's want to prove herself to others, Yesod's impetus is when he feels he's failed others, Hod's desire to be helpful to others and Netz's hate of the world around him.
On Abram, yes it is referencing Abraham, In fact according tot he Bible Abram was Abrahams name before he met God and was named Abraham by God. I'd also say that doubt is a very big factor in his name, more speculative but he's doubting not only himself but in the "Plan". Compared to the previous one who's outwardly projecting the blame, now he's looking inward and doubting if he was right to believe in the greater thing and if that greater thing actually will work out. I'd think of it how would Bible Abraham would have felt as he climbed the mountain to sacrifice his son, there must have been doubts on whether he should see it through, it's not the start of the climb where things feel distant nor the top where he steels himself to move forward, but with each step upward and no response from God, the doubt grows. So this variant of Ayin is weighed down not just by guilt but doubt as well. He's getting closer able to handle the physical climb but unsure if what he's doing is right or not. The Sephirah here also have very internal hang ups, Tiph's loss of faith in tomorrow, Geb's self-hatred for seeing herself not doing enough, and Chesed's self-hatred for not being able to do anything.
And Adam, it's pretty obvious why he's named as such but i also think it ties into a flaw in that Adam is too "gullible" so to speak. By this point Ayin's conquered the perceived threats outside himself for not being good enough to do the plan and conquered his inner doubt and guilt, at this point nothing should be a problem only that he takes it too far and tries to rationalize everything and we see the conclusion he's come up with, He has faith in the plan and faith in himself...so why not try and interpret and make sense of the plan himself instead of having faith in the original planner and just doing what needs to be done. As Adam was convinced by Eve to take a bite out if the fruit, Lob Corp Adam convinced himself that his interpretations were the way both being tricked into committing sin.
There's more but i think this is already really too long of a comment. Love the video.
Oh, that's a really good narrative throughline! With Abel, I got really focused on the lines of "We have all the time in the world" and his insistance on having to keep repeating the cycle rather than move forward, hence my conclusion.
I really love Tiphereth core suppression for its both sides that no one mention
1) Without good balance, nothing really changes. Except that it WILL take much longer time to come in terms with everything. Both human and lob corp can prevail challenges, but in the end you spend too much time to get where you are right now
2) And Tiphereth itself doesnt tries to ruin everything or seek for admission. But rather lament for her brother, crying with agony and despair. And even soundtrack feels like heavy depression in which you just sink. Deeper with each phase
Only thing she wanted by this suppression is just one day to cry for her brother.
And this is why im so happy to see her smile in Ruina. Such a good girl she is
I didn't check all comments, but I think that "Lobotomy" in L Corp.'s name may also be connected with our rebellion against The City structure. After all, The City is governed by A Corp. which is called "The Head" and lobotomy is performed on a human head (I guess more on a brain, but brain is inside a head xD). It is a bit stretched, but just wanted to share my opinion. Anyway, great video! I really enjoy your interpretation of a game lore.
The transitions are amazing, hod with an axe, solid yesod, malcute being dumb. Completely A tier.
Dont forget Society Tiph
I'm noticing that there's a lot of conversation on White Night going on, so I thought I'd throw my hat in. White Night represents two drastically different things. From an in-universe perspective, its the collective unconscious understanding of what an antichrist figure looks like. It goes around, performing miracles and acts of what look like charity while actually converting its followers into monsters before going making an attempt at full domination. The ambiguities as to its motivations or whether it's lying tie in to the many different interpretations of an antichrist. Honestly, I feel like I shouldn't have even bothered writing that out because it's the concept is just ubiquitous.
Narratively speaking, it's 100% Carmen. Ayin and the Sephirah are the 11, and Angela comes in last as the sinner. The interaction with One Sin foreshadowed the self-sacrifice attempted by Angela at the ending of Library. The Plague Doctor walks around, genuinely attempting to heal those in need and naturally gathering followers because it's a rare source of positivity in the city. Eventually she transforms into a monster that does way more damage than good by any reasonable metric, but still frames her actions as being that of a savior.
I'd bet the twist here is that Carmen's plan was fucked from the very beginning. Like the lobotomy, what she thought was a miracle cure was actually a terrible, horrifying procedure that would cripple its victims in a deep and permanent way. A more positive take: lobotomies attack and cripple part of a person's head. A lobotomy for the city might only be interested in crippling the Head.
That said, this all hinges on the writers having the major plot points of Ruina laid out years in advance.
10/10 essay. You said it was going to be chaotic, but I thought everything came together really nicely. My favorite little tidbit was the comparison between how One Sin and White Night wear their crowns, which I completely missed.
Hm, I like that interpretation quite a bit actually. Might have won me over.
@@LastMinuteEssays Hey, I know this is from forever ago in internet time, but I think I found out where the name WhiteNight came from: the Jonestown cult used to have contingency plans in place for if American government officials came to investigate. They'd rehearse the whole drinking the koolaid thing. Both the rehearsals and the mass suicide were called white nights. So yeah, pretty on the nose.
Carmen's plan mostly had me going ''oh yeah yeah thats good yeah sure!'' then I learned about the whole distortion part of it and I went ''oh no no thats bad please dont.'' I completely understand spreading the light and allowing the denizens of the City to gain hopes and dreams again, but the whole giving everyone ego or distortions is crazy as fuck.
I wodnt say Ayin is a sociopath, just very very VERY Shaded, same with the small child that died.
You can see it in the option we get, X is ayin withouth memories, his more RAW self, where we have both cinical and hopefull answer, and the 3 options we sometime get is more a Ayin, Benjamin or carmen option, so is more temathic than anything (choose C by th way)
About carmen:
At Least you got it, i saw a LOT of Carmen hate apear after Ruina tho, was kinda funny seeing people hating angela at the end of L corp, and then pass to cheer her on and hate carmen, humans really are simple minded :p
SPECIALLY the ketter realization
People took a while to realize the angela in the fight was the part of her that sprung from carmen, the carmen that was traumatize and wont let go.
Mostly as inmediatly after the carmen in the light talk to her.
Causing this confusion that was Carmen hersel trying to stop the Angela, which make no sense by that point.
And the escene mostly expose how both recognize each other but difer in how things must be, with carmen searching for ANY expresion of humanity and Angela, like how Ayin has to pass adam, wanting an Ego guided world.
"Sociopath" in this context is not a moustache-twisting villain or anything, it's just that A genuinely seems to struggle with empathy, seen in scenes like completely ignoring Elijah even as she is dying before him or just hanging up on Daniel over the intercom. He can feel emotions, he genuinely loved Carmen, but it takes him millions of cycles of hell itself to actually understand his closest circle of friends and make amends to them.
Also I'm fully fine with the idea it was irl Carmen in the light, especially as those actions and motifs fit with her voice guiding the events and the Library acting of its own volition at times. People change, and Carmen is in the peculiar situation where she can adjust her methods but not her purpose, becoming parts of the light herself.
@@LastMinuteEssays I also would very much disagree even by that definition of sociopath.
We see in the flashbacks and mirrors that his actions are killing him, A deep down is a caring person like Carmen described him and the suffering of his freinds breaks him apart. He's even damaged by what he did to Garion despite her actions.
So why the lack of empathy?
Because he's forcing himself, he was entrusted with a goal and to meet that in a place like the city he steeled himself as much as he could to. As Binah said he swallowed these fears and it made him by her description one of the people best suited to survive in the city. It's not that he lacked this empathy rather it was already there and is what caused him to break in the first place when he couldn't just ignore it anymore.
This video is incredible. So many things that I never seen discussed. It's like a dream come true for me.
Thank you for all your hard work!
Oh wow, I wonder who did the art for this thumbnail :)
Someone cool for sure
Has to be someone pretty cool ngl
Something that might have been obvious but worth pointing out is that the floor names in Library of Ruina are based on how actual Korean librarys are organized with the Korean Decimel Classification system albiet with some swapping around. This could explain how some floor names are kind of a stretch to match with the patron librarian like Geburas as PM has to use all the name somewhere.
Also amazing video. Really helps to show just how much depth PM put into tying together so many different sources of literature, religion, and 2 whole different game plots and have the sources match with the game characters.
Oh, I've never heard of that system, thank you!
Language as bloodlust, as using the language of violence to express oneself instead of, you know, actually talking your problems out
That...does make some sense, yeah. The language of fists.
@@LastMinuteEssays man's oldest language, animalistic posturing and aggressive displays of strength
In a city full of violence and strife, what better to represent human interaction, communication and conflict than battle and violence?
I remember hearing that all the members of the head were named from very old korean (at this point no one really understand).
For instance Garion for binah means white horse with black mane.
Interesting!
according to this wiki page: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garion_(band), Garion is also a South Korea hip hop group that pioneered Korea's underground hip-hop scene.
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@@jw4078 Binah about to drop some sick moves at the next Library's potluck.
After Limbus Company I'm willing to bet that the next story will involve Carmen as either the main antagonist, or something closer to what Ayin, Roland and Angela were, flawed damaged beings in need of atonement.
All of the people in Lobotomy had their moment of introspection. I think it's fair Carmen gets one. Right now she seems to believe that people can't be fully selfless but still wants them to be true to themselves and free of the abusive city.
So she's focusing on the next "best" thing, being selfish. Thus creating distortions.
About Limbus, there happens to be pretty solid evidence for Dante being Ayin.
@@NothingThere739 WAIT W H A T???
@@InsertUsernameHere_a First off it has never been confirmed that Ayin is still in the light. After Ruina Angela released the light and all the people that were part of it were scattered around the city. Second it was never stated what kind of boss Dante was only that he was a “bigwig” in his previous life. Although if Dante was described as a boss that treated his employees poorly there is no reason that would exclude Ayin. Following up that point, Faust during ch3 says that “Dante’s identity is kept the highest level of classified in Limbus Company.” At this point in the story everyone except Faust who has encountered Dante has never seen technology like his head. His head being a prosthetic that can manipulate time, is most likely a product of TimeTrack which Ayin has huge ties to. I never said this theory was confirmed just that there was evidence for it.
I am so glad I found your channel thanks to the Limbus Company vid you posted. Keep up the good work and thank you for giving us this.
Edit: Aaaaand with having watched the video since the beginning and it finally finishing.
Thank you so, so much for putting in the effort. Despite the length being an hour thirty, your narration never felt boring or uninteresting, and you were able to explain things in a way that didn’t make it more complicated or confusing. The fact the entire video is subbed is something I will forever be grateful for.
I’d write something more eloquent but I stayed up until 10 where I’m from and it is closing in on midnight. But just know that your effort did not go to waste, in this video or all your others. Thank you again and I look forward to your future videos!
I'm glad you enjoyed it! And yes, as long as a video is scripted, it will always have subs. It's just common courtesy.
Never could've seen such a long video coming! Amazing video dude. Hope it gets more traction.
I love your analysis! It is great to see the references that the game is making explained so clearly. It got me thinking that I also find it interesting how Yesod's abnormalities in particular, as well as relating to the abuse of technology theme, can directly tie into the reading of him dealing with OCD and/or compulsive self harm, as well as the events that happened to him in Lobcorp. If anyone is interested, I will outline what I mean:
///warning for discussion of OCD and compulsive self-harm ///
Forsaken Murderer- His attacks are violent behaviours that lash out at others but also seem self harming, like bashing your own head against the wall. Considering the trauma Gabriel faces, I think that the fact that F.M. is fully restrained and lashing out is also a blatant reference to one of the triggers for his compulsions (or at least a factor that made his compulsions far worse).
All around Helper- I think as the line between cleanliness (or more aptly, order) and rot is so common in Yesod's story, a machine that tries to follow its program to clean so obsessively to the point that it ends up causing harm is quite relevant to this theme.
Singing Machine- Everything about this abnormality is about how difficult compulsion is to deal with.
The Funeral of Dead Butterflies- Yesod's repressed grief and his inability to let himself mourn was such an important part of his character arc and is, again, one of the factors that contributes to the worsening of his compulsions.
Der Freischutz- I'll admit, the allegory gets muddier here, but I think there is something to be found in the idea of living a life where you are so focused on maintaining a "perfect shot" (out of will or necessity/compulsion) that your own passions and human connections are destroyed as a result. This could tie into Yesod's self-imposed isolation and obsession with perfectly following rules, as a maladaptive coping mechanism for the grief that he feels.
As someone who lives with these things myself, I find Yesod and the way that he is written across both games to be extremely meaningful. It would take a whole other paragraph to explain how these tie perfectly into Angela's character as well. I adore the theme in this game that even though Angela and the sephirot come from different places and went through different things in their cycles, there is a lot of similarity to be found in the emotions they all need to process.
At any rate, great video! Thanks for getting me thinking!
Ooh, I love that read, thank you for sharing it!
@@LastMinuteEssaysthankyou! I'm so glad you liked it!! Honestly one of the best things about these games is that there's so many readings you can have for them. A common theme of my fave stories is that they give you multiple lenses to view everything with 😂
also I just have to say as a lifelong Belgariad fan coming into lobcorp and seeing Binah's story was WILD
iirc i thought the smoke war was between two wings over the form of power generation before Labotomy Corp took over that function in the city. The method ending up creating a dence smog to cover the city that, over time, cause people to mutate. dove tailing into the BlackSwan abnormality as exposure to the smog affected her and her siblings.
Ayin and friends needed to depose the L Corp to become a Wing and afaik, Benjamin was involved in getting the Udjat to fight in the war. But a lot of corps picked sides and tried to profit off of it
true. i never thought about the L corp that came before Labotomy corp. and kind ended up only skimming later books. the Udjat were one of my favorite keypages near the end.
DEFINITELY going to be giving this a full listen later, but for now I do want to drop the quick note:
Since we're following the Abrahamic faiths, it makes far more sense for Angela to be LILITH than Satan or Lucifer. Lilith and Eve tie in a similar way to Angela and Carmen, while Angela's attempts to deviate from the script or her refusal to idly comply to Ayin's wishes follow the same reason why Lilith was banished from the Garden of Eden.
Literally an instigator of corruption, Lilith and Angela seize the sefirot away from mankind and lead them away from enlightenment, robbing them of the Light.
That works as well, true
@@LastMinuteEssays A reply! :o
I'm looking forward to sharing my thoughts on the full video later
I am grateful that the language barrier has been eased these days. Like before the Tower of Babel collapsed haha. With my poor English skills, I could at least emanate my E.G.O. as a google translator.
I salute your vast work. I fell in love with the game of Project Moon after watching the analysis video of Lobotomy Corporation made by a Korean before. They were creating their own amazing scriptures in this world where human values are fading.
What I'm saying is that this video of you can really affect a lot of people. Great creations need great analysts. This is because many people can find it difficult to master this amazing value on their own. In Korea, the values were not well organized until the video I mentioned earlier was released.
You showed a very high quality analysis despite the huge amount of data. To the point where I'm excited and shudder. It's even important that no one has ever analyzed Library Of Ruina so sophisticated and holistic. Before I watched this video, I thought Library Of Ruina was less symbolic than Lobotomy Corporation. But you enlightened me. Thank you SOOOOO much.
I don't know if there's small mistakes in this excellent video, let's just ignore minor and unimportant mistakes. There are minor errors in their game, and even Dostoevsky confused the names of the characters in Crime and Punishment. And we can face the figures of Crime and Punishment in the Limbus Company lol.
I want to convey my feelings completely, but it's a shame that I'm not good at English.
Again, I salute you for your excellent analysis and excellent media production to help understand. And thank you for providing English subtitles. If it weren't for the subtitles, I'd have to give up this great video crying.
P.S.
56:15 I loved this amazing joke. I couldn't stop laughing LOL.
Learning about Kabbalah mysticism from L Corp/Ruina was a pretty fun thing. This is why I love games and stories, getting piqued by new culture and trivia both fictional and real did more for my learning than school ever had.
In that vein, apparently there's an eleventh 'hidden' Sephirah in the tree called "Da'at" or "Daath" that I wonder if you'd be willing to make an additional bit on? As I think that position fits Angela, and Carmen, quite significantly as the 'forgotten Sephirah'. The first in L Corp where Ayin still couldn't bear to acknowledge her even to the end, and in both then and Library how Carmen was apparently conscious and neglected. Left with their traumas without a Suppression, the former sabotaged the plan and the latter became the voice of Distortion.
I did mention it briefly in the Loose Threads part, as Carmen's body appears on Day 50, exactly where Da'at would be. It's not forgotten as much as hidden, as it represents knowledge and is a way to ponder upon Keter, which by itself is unknowable. As Carmen was the one that brought all this immaterial funhouse into reality, the fits that place really well.
As mentioned in some comment below, Angela also fits as a Qliphoth equivalent of Carmen. And the reverse of Da'at...is still Da'at apparently.
@@LastMinuteEssays Yeah finding relatively succinct details about the Sephirot that doesn't tangent off into meandering proselytizing has been tough, given the overtly religious sources that would mostly likely write about it.
As with the 'hidden' nature of Da'at and its relation with Keter, the snippet I'd found spoke of it in the reverse? That if Da'at was able to manifest, there would be no need for Keter, created as the lens through which the light of God is filtered through when the initial creation of the Sephirot stumbled. The lower seven vessels breaking as the light was poured into them, leaving only the top three Sephirah intact.
Or how Da'at does remains itself in both Sephirot and Qliphoth, as "Knowledge" and "Abyss", both the great divide from and bridge to the realm of God.
Lots of fragmented bits like these?
Kabbalah is an oral tradition that is ages old, got somewhat codified in 13th century and any serious attempts at cataloging all the different writings on it only showed up in the 20th. Not to mention the culture it originates from was scattered all around the world and influenced by their neighbours over time (and vice versa).
Differences in readings and interpretations are always to be expected, let alone in a situation like this.
Da'at is the Well/Bucket in LobCorp, so it's safe to assume its role incarnated by Angela and Carmen.
Considering Carmen is also another Godly figure, the other Ayin being named Abel makes sense as he is someone that is favored by Carmen. Not to mention in the biblical story, abel was the one that sacrificed his best lamb, while cain just went for offering his fruits. Ayin is definitely someone who sacrificed things that can be considered important to him.
Absolutely wonderful, always a joy to see more Project Moon love.
A little note about Elena. When she became a Star of the City, the White Nights and Black Days had already happened some time ago. And she for the first time became a Star of the City. Thanks for the village from Distortion Detective we clearly know at least more than 3 years passed between LC ending and LoR beggining.
And one more thing. She isn't a Distortion, but a pure Bloodfiend. Distortion is phenomena which happened only after WN and BD, when Bloodfiends existed far more before this.
(A little theory time: if Bloodfiends are some kind of human race, according to Elena, then perhaps they may also distort, but because of its nature it doesn't appear in normal way.)
I'm aware of Bloodfiends existing long before, but I thought all Ensemble members are Distortions.
I might be misremembering it tbh.
@@LastMinuteEssays the nature of Bloodfiends is a smoky...foggy... Uncertain one, yeah (sorry for my English).
Anyway the video is great! You put a lot of effort into this
i don't remember a 3 year gap between LC and LoR being mentioned. Distortion detective's story needs to happen during LoR story because Oscar's credenza mentions DD cast and the distortion "laundry of dream" is mentioned in a LoR cutseen and it gets captured in DD
@@angelamybeloved of course you don't remember it's being mentioned because it is not mentioned. The 3 year gap can be calculated. In village in DD was 102 villagers at the beginning, every month one of them was sacrificed. At the moment Moses and Ezra arrived there was 54 villagers. Then it's easy to calculate that 3,8 years passed. Not to mention Library already an Urban Legend. And because of it 3 years is approximate number. The gap maybe more, but not less.
@@velzegret that sure checks up but it feels kinda wrong because the pianist was the first high level of distortion and it happened after white nights and dark days happened and i believe the first high level distortion threat wouldn't happen only after 3 years. Roland went berserk after that and i don't believe Roland would go berserk for around 3 years without dying like in the bad ending of him so i am not saying you are wrong in fact you sound right but it feels wrong
The thumbnail is honestly my favorite part about the vid unironocally.
Blur did a really good work on it
They really did and you did a great job on the video and explanation of things too imho.
great video, makes me appreciate these characters even more
ah Little Prince only lecture I ever read it's makes me nostalgic and I can't force myself to hate the abnormalitie
I liked reading it as a kid but way too many pretentious twats in my circles used it as a source of quotes, turning me bitter lmao
Though I did watch this video all the way through the one thing I have to say and it's not even about the video itself but peoples interpretation you bring up about Enoch being suicidal because he "has the eyes of an adult" when... that usually implies a child has seen shit no kid is supposed to and grew up a lot faster kind of says A LOT about what those same people must think being an adult is like and suddenly I can see why Roland is really loved and relatable to people which is... sad.
But hey, new book recommendations at least.
Holy cow I watch whole video and i don't regret, and with Enoh suicidal thoughts he mabe have them but he also thinking "When I gone what happen to Lisa I wan't her suffer".
And these art's are really great I love them.
This is all, see you next time
Just rewatched this for the 5th-ish time (though i usuallyend up missing something due to its length), and realised that bina's original name not being religious, as she was an outside, and never believed (or would) in A's/Carmen's plan, before becoming a robot, and even then, only when shown she was not right about A and the plan (at least from what I can see).
I think you missed something with the lobcorp abnormality loose thread part? Some of the abnormalities are based on various phobias, or fears of stuff. They are monsters created from humanity's collective subconcious, (I'm pretty sure?) so makes sense that they are monster versions of various shared fears. Anyways point is that you could've probably gone over what phobias those abnos are based on. Rudolta would be fear of christmas Christougenniatikophobia awesome word btw, (though it is classified as fairytale and not trauma, so not sure about it). spider bud would be arachnophobia. And Queen Bee is fear of bees- apiphobia.
This was a really great video though.
Makes sense, I focused solely on the literary/story stuff.
...wait was price of silence based on the fear of number 13?
@@LastMinuteEssays there so many things that also overlap on one another, like prince of silence can also be a representataion of the major arcana Death which is the 13 one or whitenight is the phobia of religion and gods
The angels associated with Binah, Hokma, and Keter are as follows: Binah->Zaphkiel, Hokma->Raziel, and Keter->Metatron.
my friend brought me back to playing item asylum (on roblox) and there are so many project moon references. i thought the lobotomy corp references were pretty cool. i looked into it a bit more and saw it had a so much more to it. now i will watch this entire playlist from start to finish, taking every piece of information in, and i will enjoy it. this is your fault kian.
edit: HOLY CRAP LAST MINUTE ESSAYS SAW MY COMMENT AND NOTICED ME
Want to add something on your comments on nothing there.
Nothing there don't just imitate people, he imitates people with high fortitude and justice, Which somewhat means that he wants to imitate just one person or some kind of person.
And if we going off his back story that he is one of the first abnos created means he very likely has faced Kail multiple times.
That means he has learned from Kali, And he has learned quite a lot.
Remember, the old facility has no other agents.
There's only researchers and a fixer from the backstreets, which is Kali.
So he imitates people that he sees often, So he wants to imitate Kali.
And I willing to bet on a hunch that the insta kill nothing there has is the imitation of Kali's great split vertical.
Just think about it, It makes too much sense.
Also on a narrative lens, It could mean a persons desire to become others, Become something that is more powerful than itself, become anything more powerful then itself, Become most powerful heroes on TV that can solve everything through hard work, The utter refusal to accepting yourself to the point to attack others when they somehow finds out.
Or in another angle, It could be viewed as a person utterly failed at understanding human emotion, Like a parrot that only learns the patterns but not the meaning, But it wants to, So it starts to look at other humans for what it lacks, organs, skeletal structure Brains? anything, anything!
Looking for answer that is not there and forever will not be there, a mindless search in anger and frustration,and kills anything that it thinks has the Answer.
The fact that Ruina confirms Mimicry was extracted from Nothing There early into the existance of the facility and given to Kali would support this quite a bit too, yeah.
Nice catch.
Project moon to me was like the Carmen to Ayin, and i hope they never commit suicided unlike carmen
Project Moon: "Continue my work, no matter what"
Gaming industry: "I gotchu, beloved, pachinko machines"
Wspaniały film, dzięki niemu mogę dowiedzieć się coś więcej o postaciach niż z samej gry i Wiki
God Bless, keep up the good work!✌️
Thank you for making subtitles for the whole video!
about the relation between whitenight and carmen, i think whitenight represents angela, not carmen.
This relates to the trinity symbolism too, A is the father, B is the holy spirit, while C is the son, or Jesus. Carmen is the one that shows herself to the public, the one that rallies the people to her cause. Angela, on the other hand, is an imitation of Carmen, just like how the antichrist is an imitation of christ, and i think its pretty clear that whitenight is basically the antichrist.
But i do think that the previous form of whitenight, the plague doctor, might symbolize carmen. after all, carmen is a 'doctor' trying to cure a 'plague' that infects peoples mind, the 'disease of the mind'. This fits with my interpretation that angela is whitenight because whitenight, or angela, is the second form of the plague doctor, or carmen.
Pointing out that while Whitenight may not be directly attributable to Carmen it is definitely a metaphor for at least Lobotomy Corporation and maybe the latter plans of Carmen.
Even if this isnt a very good direct corelation like you said with the number of apostles it can be infered from the fact that Whitenight and apocalypse bird are opposites sides of the same coin as shown from the way that their E.G.O. Gifts are displayed in Lob, one wing on each side of the body but of opposite color. With bird being The Head, and the only opposite of The Head being Lobotomy Corporation as far as I can see. The Head attempting to save the city via restrictions and punishment only to be the thing that ends up chaining it into even more violence, and Lobotomy Corporation attempting to save the city by giving everyone the 'freedom' to be exactly what their emotions demand which isnt always the best as shown with the ensemble.
Now this brings up some interesting points as who is Whitenight and who is one sin, with by far the funniest being Angela as this stories version of Jesus and Carmen as The Antichrist.
Yet the scene at 1:23:19 shows (not completely in this video) the distortions that Angela Lob have actually being Carmen trying to make Angela LoR commit to her emotions and destroy ayins plans, right after this is revealed Angela tells Carmen "As long as i'm part of this light, i'll do everything in my power to stop you.".
So points for Angela LoR being the good guy and Carmen/Angela Lob being the bad guy.
Also 1:22:20 them finding conclusions on the other parts of the tree may while starting off from opposite sides may be to show how when mapped to the human body each hempisphere of the brain controls the opposite eye as said in 39:05.
One interpretation of one sin and a hundred good deeds I found online was a representation of Ayins plan
One big horrible sin that leads to a hundred good deeds
Lobotomy corporation is that sin
You make some really high quality video ! Keep up the good work. Your channel deserves so many more subscribers and viewers
this was fantastic. i can't even think of a coherent comment, i'm just going to walk away and explode on the spot because what do i do with this information
Welcome to Grimdark.
4:35 - Ah yes, the group therapy sessions.
The full cybernetic replacement bodies would make R2-D2 snigger with derision.
23:27 - Sentient opium poppy.
25:45 - Genderbent Joker?...who later reaches puberty.
29:00 - Basically they're Anime come to life, the DOOM of worlds!
29:50 - The bada**!
32:07 - Some were deserving, some were not.
32:36 - They liked Studio Ghibli, didn't they?
33:33 - According to the artbook, she was a survivor of the Black Silence's attack on the Middle in the south.
43:07 - In the case of Angela's creation, they caused what they tried to prevent.
1:01:40 - Think Slo-mo in Dredd and you'll get an idea of what it's like in her head.
A cycle of samsara is how I put it.
1:13:30 - According to the Distortion Detective, Bloodfiends predated the White Nights and Dark Days.
1:24:22 - The first abnormality made by Lobotomy Corporation.
It's possible that she's not the same person that she was before she created Bloodbath.
I'd like to point out something mentioned in the book of the Red Mist that I've never seen an answer to. When Enoch dies, the book has a line indicating there was some sort of sign Enoch was going to die. I haven't seen this sign talked about but one of the things that rub me the wrong way is the way the Prototype Mimicry E.G.O speaks being EXTREMELY close to Nothing There's speech and leads to me wondering if the ego was extracted from whoever became Nothing There after their mind was extracted... if this is the case. Nothing There is earlier in the time line then I've seen people suggest as in Lobotomy corp an abnormality is taking the form of another person, and so this has to be Nothing There but it seems to be a matured Nothing There that HAS started to steal skin and not just a new Nothing There. This detail always strikes me as strange as why would ENOCHS DEATH be timed with Gebura conjuring her ego. I would love the ability to read more of the red mists book than what we can read so that we could figure out how the story develops much more. It's just this idea suggests Nothing is early in the timeline, potentially a bit before Carmen dies. I don't think Nothing There is after Gebura becomes a sefirot, I do not think Nothing There is mimicking the prototype ego. I think the prototype is a prototype of Nothing's ego and was the prototype for all future Egos.
I'm on my Ruina replay now, trying to see what I missed. I'll keep an eye out on that, thanks.
1:12:41 "get this" *quotes the most outlandish shit as a mental flashbang*
It's amazing that the game still lives on. Can't wait for the 3rd installment in this series.
*Sees "Angela = Satan?" in thumbnail*
Yes. A psychopathic girl AI with daddy issues could destroy 13% of whole L Corp's nest
Damnnnnnn, this is very great video :) that's very amazing work!
Finally after nearly 2 years I can watch this video spoiler free. I love PM
Such a monumental work. I'm amazed
nice analysis and cheseds theme definitely fits him the most
I thought the abnormality "the lady facing the wall" was base off the myth of Eurydice and Orpheus. Mainly how Orpheus must not look back at Eurydice in order to free her from the underworld. (The legacy versions did stated that her ability was called, Orpheus)
That's a pretty good fit too, to be honest. Though I suppose myths where looking instead of trusting/believing is a negative are not that uncommon.
There is a Fnaf Fan song called "I can't fix you" It fits Lobotomy and Runia so much I hate myself and everyone needs to listen to it to understand me.
TRUE! Now I want a project moon fan animation made by aimkid with that song you mentioned
spoilers for the bible is unreasonably funny to me. like i mean yeah i GUESS
This is amazing
Outstanding video so far, but I had to chime in at Hod in that the way you talked of her directly reminded me of the Hebrew concept of Teshuvah, which is poorly translated as "Redemption", though has a closer meaning of "returning to the right path". It's a big deal in Hebrew ethics afaik, and it seems to follow Hod's story to the letter.
Oh, interesting! I definetely need to look into that, thank you.
Ok so I have some ideas about the Pinocchio fight so gonna dump them here sorry. So in the story the Real Human goal was only added halfway through to give it an endpoint which has bothered people for ages. But that actually ties in perfectly with the Abnormality fight and Angela's goal. The fight is Pinocchio trying to become human by mimicking people hoping to figure out what makes a human from there like how Angela thinks she needs the book to become human and has no real idea of how to accomplish it outside of using other people as stepping stones. The problem with the original story and Angela's actual obstacle is that Pinocchio already thinks and acts like a human but won't ever be acknowledged as such until he makes himself useful (which is supposed to be character development and still fits Angela but eh) and gains a human body. So like Angela being denied her humanity by A and the Head. Also sure Roland lies a lot but his lie that brought him to the library is the one thing that makes him still act and feel human when the entire Floor of Language realization fight proves he just feels like a murderous beast otherwise. So the lies are what make him human but aren't really solving anything. And the whole Marionette deal just fits Angela having to follow a script and then Carmen's plan and Roland going along with the PT plan. The realization fight making you point out lies is just the original story beat of being a good boy and growing and all that which in the nose growing scene was just the fairy making him stop deflecting and drink the damn medicine but fits with them having to confront things head on and grow.
That seems in line. I gotta be honest, I read the book like 20 years ago so a lot of it is spotty in my brain.
This was a wonderful video and breakdown, thank you. It makes me sad Project Moons most recent game is a gacha game. I hope future titles bring back Angela and Roland
Garion means a white horse with a black mane. (korean)
1:26:33 i was waiting for the head but god damn it then was so god darn unexpected
I apologize if someone already mentioned this or I’m just off since it’s more christian so slightly off topic but Giovanni is italian for John. John the Baptist would fit how Giovanni knew Carmen since childhood and was so loyal to her I think.
Oh, that would fit pretty damn well, thank you
I LOVE THIS GAME SO MUCH
You forgot to include Dakota, she's part of the lore now.
Wagies don't get a spot in the company motivational video, only management
1:12:50
You forgot that astolfo dresses up as a female in order to calm orlando down.
I mean that's the reason why astolfo looks so feminine in fgo
Suddenly life makes a bit more sense
Binah represents 'the mother' because mommy
Love from a SmoughTown and Vaush fan!
fantastic video, thank u for ur work!
Not sure if I'll be able to watch this whole thing due to me not knowing what it's even about, but I hope I'll be able to watch it nonetheless cuz OFC im gonna watchin my friend's content :)
Finally!! I have found it!! The video of PJ fans summarizing the story and someone who speak the same language as me!! ROLANG!!
Thank you for doing a summarizing too, the PJ universe is pretty huge and it takes quite a dedication for people to even get into it. This will be a bit easier for others to maybe build some interests.
Sorry for the late discovery too. TH-cam has been giving me weird recommendations up until now
It's a small channel, I'm glad that the video is doing as well as it is honestly.
As for giving something for people to get into Projmoon, I have another project in the works for that. But it's gonna take time.
No worries! Give it your best for your next vid!
amazing video
This was so well done.
Also ive never been too interested in jewish lore or kabbalah but this video has definitely gotten me very interested.
YES. Someone shares my Iori-Mars connection theory oh my God I thought I was alone in that
BRRRRRRRRRRRROTHER
Or sister idk, sibling in brainworms
this needss more views
1:14:10 She got better because she didn't get beat. She injured Angelica and left.
...wait, why did I never think of that.
I may be stupid.
Geburah's floor in ruina is about the power of language. Communication is about expressing a thought to the world and in the city violence speaks. It is the way by which ideas assert themselves. Fixers, ostensibly problem solvers for the rich, all embrace this notion as they equip themselves with deadly weapons. In so much as kali herself dispenses justice, it's her way of expressing the pain she feels at the cruelty of the city. Likewise, the abnormalities of the floor are linguistic. Riding hood and the wolf tell themselves their place. Nosferatu defines itself by its cries , yearning for unsated desire, the mountain of bodies reminding of the abandoned perspectives and Nothing There shows the shallowness of language without meaning. The floor is all about manifesting ones language, the justice, through whatever means express that idea.
30:00 WAIT HOLY FUCK I NEED AN IMAGE OF GEBURA HOLDING MIMICRY BUT ITS TJAT FUCKING IMAGE WITH THE DUDE HOLDING A MONSTER WITH TJE CAPTION KILL
PM noob:So, what's the lore for this funky game?
PM Vet, powering up:
Could you not say that Angela is the Qliphoth of Carmen? Carmen wished to save the world while LobCorp Angela only cared about herself. This would also explain why WhiteNight’s initial appearance in the Floor of Religion Realization looks like Angela in the ruina OP (black feathers bound by golden threads) WhiteNight is a false savior and so some of its parallels being drawn to Angela would make sense as Angela is a corrupted version of the savior Carmen. The analogy does not work all the way since Angela has no apostles but I think that there is at least some intended relation.
As for Carmen turning people into distortions. In Ruina it mentions that those who take their life want to live the most, and I think this applies to Carmen. This desire to live is in some way her motivation for turning people into distortions.
Oh, these are good points! If Carmen is to be traced onto Da'at/Knowledge, then Angela literally erects an ivory tower where the knowledge (books) is the end, not a mean to another goal. It works!
@@LastMinuteEssays
Fun fact
The death tree's equivalent of Da'at is..... Da'at!
Yes, Da'at has no counterside... OR DOES IS?
it is said that knowledge is one of the greatest weapons of humanity... And a human who "knows" is capable of great good and great evil
Using that as a baseline one could se why Da'at has technically no counterside... It's neutral, or rather, it's true no matter which side of the spectrum it sides with
Da'at is capable of holding the positivity of all sephira, and at the same time, all the negativity of the qliphot
Makes sense that the one person unable to move on at the end of lobotomy corporation is the one that was left with all the filth the rest were able to clear
it hurts me that i can't listen because i'm too busy not playing the damn games (〒﹏〒)
Alright, I finaly finished ruina and can watch this vídeo