The Entire Story of Lobotomy Corporation

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  • @ysfghs609
    @ysfghs609 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1710

    How ironic, the game that was about curing a disease of the mind led to the creation of another (project moon brainrot)

    • @Puffman728
      @Puffman728 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +167

      You call it a disease, we call it enlightment

    • @averagecyndaquilenjoyer-vj8ul
      @averagecyndaquilenjoyer-vj8ul 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +69

      This truly was our lobotomy corporation

    • @tsumikiayato1560
      @tsumikiayato1560 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It is our lobotomy the corporation

    • @lechking941
      @lechking941 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      From what I'mma guess both lobary and limbus corp are moving at the same time.

    • @refuze2quit603
      @refuze2quit603 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Project Moon Overheard, Project Moon Initiate, One Limbillion PM Sleeper Agent has been awakened

  • @Dantemakesnothing
    @Dantemakesnothing 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1349

    Forgot one option: "started at limbus company and got stuck in this rabbithole of a universe"

    • @eldritchcupcakes3195
      @eldritchcupcakes3195 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

      I started at a video essay of love town!

    • @JustOneSnail
      @JustOneSnail 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +60

      Dude
      I was minding my own business, heard whispers of Limbus Company and thought, hmm that sound interesting. Then I took a look and went "OoOOOOO THIS IS SO COOL!!!"
      Now that I've been eternally shackled to this world I'd like to know what's going on. Starting at the beginning with Lobotomy Corporation.

    • @skelet8337
      @skelet8337 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Started at lobotomy corporation went to Nexus awakened then returned.

    • @allknighter5791
      @allknighter5791 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Actually started with lobotomy corporation myself.

    • @lechking941
      @lechking941 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I learn of the lobo corp played library then limbus.

  • @thedabisme61
    @thedabisme61 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2230

    You promised 52 minutes, not 52:42. Liar, to the warp train you go for 42 seconds

    • @zetroll0372
      @zetroll0372 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +287

      wow, you really doomed him into 5 Warp train trips.

    • @ubaidaqeel386
      @ubaidaqeel386 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +112

      ​@zetroll0372 Five!?! Bro will be older then time atp

    • @snowed08
      @snowed08 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +49

      5 warps!!?!

    • @TH3_N
      @TH3_N 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

      the 42 seconds are used in the outro, thus he is not at fault

    • @eldritchcupcakes3195
      @eldritchcupcakes3195 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      correction, "42 seconds"

  • @xnr6149
    @xnr6149 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +663

    11:30 Idk if Ayin being there meant as a joke but Carmen was the one who approved Enoch to take part in the experiment, that is why she bears the most guilt. The reason Ayin continuing the experiments/plan was because Carmen told him if something ever happened to her she want him to finish what she started. They can't get K-corp ampule probably because they didn't had fund for it or it will attract The Head attention, as they are relatively small researcher group from the Outskirt.

    • @scruffles3838
      @scruffles3838 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +63

      Ayin was able to recover Carmen's still living nervous system I'm pretty sure he didn't heal or put Carmen in a robot body mostly because
      1. The most important thing, in her current state she had become a massive well of cognito, and she effectively sacrificed herself to get breakthrough in acquiring the one thing that had become the massive in the project
      2.carmen was no longer mentally in any state to fufill her dream
      In short Ayin took the action that Carmen would have wanted him to take to fufill the promise

    • @Sydfxs
      @Sydfxs 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Or becayse they are FAR away from getting a K-corp shit in time given the fact that she was literally bleeding out

  • @cirospedale7511
    @cirospedale7511 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +770

    Ayin actually didn't delete his memories at first. It's even implied that he went through the first loops while keeping his memories, until he finally broke and begged Angela to do it. Shown in LoR when Angela states that in the end Ayin was just a man. Also, we don't have any proof of people developing E.G.O before the White Nights and Dark Days before Gebura, and her case has to do with the influence of the Nothing There blade she was using (given to her by Carmen)

    • @jk-2053
      @jk-2053 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +73

      I assumed those were just versions of X that failed. Examples including the version of X before Angela installed the cognition filter apologizing to her in Lob Corp.
      Angela states that many managers lost their mind on the very seat X was on before the filter. She also states that X has it easy compared to his predecessors. Assuming none of this is made up info that Angela uses to pamper and encourage X, this implies Angela made many amenities for X's benefit that she felt were necessary for his success, like the cognition filter.

    • @nosidenoside2458
      @nosidenoside2458 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      I just read this before actually watching the video and I haven't played it ever, so:
      WHAT THE F*CK DOES ANY OF THAT MEAN

    • @ryangodina3525
      @ryangodina3525 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@nosidenoside2458all parts of gameplay are canon

  • @MemeFlavoredJam
    @MemeFlavoredJam 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2129

    Aw sweet a lore video for a game I’ve never played and barely even heard of, time to watch the whole thing

    • @8bithypocrite
      @8bithypocrite  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +372

      You're just like me, fr fr

    • @EirPlen
      @EirPlen 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      real

    • @FreshD0T
      @FreshD0T 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      REAL! (but louder)

    • @YaniBro
      @YaniBro 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      REALLL!!(but even louder)

    • @Dragon15609
      @Dragon15609 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      @@YaniBroreal(barely audible)

  • @jewelxx
    @jewelxx 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +100

    you forgot the part where Ayin says "We did a great job... My Lobotomy Corporation..." and then all the sephirah start performing a choreography to Happy by Pharell Williams

    • @NetzachEnjoyer
      @NetzachEnjoyer 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      This should've been the ending

  • @AlterFear
    @AlterFear 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +395

    Abel, Abraham and Adam, even Ayin himself when he meets with X, are phisical, because it is said that LobCorp's Heatquarters is, essentially, Ayin's E.G.O. Just like later, the Library became Angela's E.G.O. So yeah, nothing to do with Mirror Tecnology since it wasn't even invented yet.

    • @themadsuika3909
      @themadsuika3909 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You know what Carmen, screw u
      * Manifests a whole facility as EGO *

    • @Goldenhuh
      @Goldenhuh หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It's all theories,nothing to confirm that if the reflections are physical or not and nothing to debunk that either,it's up for us to guess

  • @veryyes1607
    @veryyes1607 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +652

    I’m the correction guy so have fun.
    2:55 the city is divided into 26 areas called districts each ruled by a megacorporation called a wing (short for wings of the world) named for each letter of the alphabet.
    4:32 extortion only occurs in fallen nests and while the wing is still protecting the nest no syndicates can hold territory.
    5:08 abnormalities are far from a normal thing in the city outside of lobotomy Corporation branches as corporations have no real way of fighting against them as seen in K Corp during limbus.
    9:07 it is worth noting that Ayin’s goal was always just to be with/help Carmen and he never actually cared about the seed of light project.
    10:03 Lisa and Enoch were rescued from the outskirts not the backstreets.
    12:29 it is implied that Carmen did what she did because the researchers knew that she was the most fit candidate to become the well. and she made Ayin promise that no matter what happens to her, he will see it through to completion. In essence Carmen knew that the only way to progress the project was to abandon morals which was impossible for her but she knew Ayin would do anything she asked of him. So yeah you can kinda see how she could be interpreted as evil.
    13:17 the source of cogito is like a spring, brain bar carmen is a well(cause that’s where Lobco gets it) and a bucket is a person.
    13:26 Ego was not formed through personal will until after the light was released. Cogito forces someone to lose their sense of identity. In Lobco Ego was made through understanding and sympathizing with an abnormality.
    14:08 the seed of light project didn’t need the energy produced by enkephalin they needed the positive emotions stored in P-E, all the other branches didn’t have to care about how the abnos felt because they only needed any type of enkephalin to produce energy.
    15:02 Gabriel was using the excuse about being worried about exposed skin to hide the fact that he was sketching himself as a stress response.
    17:13 Ayin comforted Daniel in his last moments as Daniel was about to be killed by either Garion, a claw, or an escaped abno.
    Overall very good video, Lobco is very esoteric and it’s hard to blame anyone for getting confused, especially small details like this.

    • @merkurin5183
      @merkurin5183 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      A question to your point for 13:26 (EGO manifestation). If one can only manifest EGO after (half of) the seed of light got released, then how could Kali get her sword to become the legendary fixer? (Or is my information wrong, that this is her EGO (and she was the only one who could manifest it before the seed of light))?

    • @veryyes1607
      @veryyes1607 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +62

      @@merkurin5183 it’s mentioned library of Ruina that Kali’s sword was a prototype and “could only be formed through someone’s death” I think that that implies that when injected with cogito someone went through a process similar to ego corrosion with nothing there and physically became the sword.

    • @kyoukisatori4988
      @kyoukisatori4988 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

      Technically Kali was the first known person to develop her own E.G.O. after being given a prototype Mimicry before the lab. Though her own will or by assist of the prototype can be debated.

    • @hellkuma4615
      @hellkuma4615 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@veryyes1607 Kali ego is red mist the armor not the sword though, it happens before the light and smoke war but after carmen become the well

    • @veryyes1607
      @veryyes1607 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@hellkuma4615 yes but would she wouldn’t have been able to manifest the armor if she didn’t have the sword? She manifests her ego as a direct response to the sword’s constant whispering. Her armor is also misty and somewhat intangible which to me makes it seem like it doesn’t have enough power(light) to become fully corporeal.

  • @GermanAxis
    @GermanAxis 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +81

    There’s an underlying horror that I don’t see people talking much about when talking about project Moon. That’s the state of being an abnormality itself. These people who are transformed aren’t just “made into monsters.” These abnormalities are permanent states of mind and emotion brought into form. People with ego are the people with the will to resist being consumed by them, but abnormalities will exist permanently in one form of misery.
    Recall those moments where you do nothing but beat yourself down when you’re depressed. Only you know the words that will hurt you the most. But then imagine that feeling being all of existence for the rest of forever. You don’t “transform into a monster” that embodies that idea, you ARE that idea. And you will BE those words of misery for eternity.

    • @jayzenstyle
      @jayzenstyle 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Abnormalities is pretty much that state of no return, completely mindless, borderline animalistic compared to EGO. The Abnormality is simply existing to project that feeling to others, literally.

  • @julbot1
    @julbot1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +329

    So from what I gather, the sequels could've been averted if Ayin had considered touching base with Angela's mental state too like everyone else's. Instead he just stuck his head in the sand regarding her and assumed nothing bad would happen. She was a massive blindspot in his plans despite being the central pillar for allowing it to work at all.

    • @cylnder
      @cylnder 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +112

      If Ayin had comforted Angela:
      • Pros
      - Angela gets her own realization, not needing Ruina to do that
      - The City becomes an unbelievably better place in general
      - Basically everyone in-story is happy and at peace
      • Cons
      - No more games for us (boo-womp)

    • @johnrenwelmauro2387
      @johnrenwelmauro2387 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

      I believe Ayin was completely aware of what angela was about to do but he just let it be due to him not giving her a choice in the first place.
      Also LoR is just literally angela's core suppresion.

    • @vyckygy6626
      @vyckygy6626 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      Library of Ruina implied that he gave her [the permission] to make the last decision as an atonement for his attitude towards her. Although it doesn't change the fact that he did her dirty.

    • @johnrenwelmauro2387
      @johnrenwelmauro2387 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      @@vyckygy6626 its actually deeper than that he allowed her to do that despite the hardships they went through to achieve it.10000 years of suffering would go to waste if angela decides it so.
      I believe Ayin chose to believe in angela to finally break the cycle since he couldn't and thats why he congratulated her in the end of LoR.

    • @vyckygy6626
      @vyckygy6626 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@johnrenwelmauro2387 the first half - yes, but the second... You're probably right, but that's kinda arrogant of him: to cause her such suffering and still believe that she would break the circle 💀

  • @LMew
    @LMew 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +144

    "all humans want to live"
    Jokes on you, i have to take meds to do it

    • @Archris17
      @Archris17 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Is not the very fact that you are still choosing to take those meds, not proof that you also want to live?

  • @CidCDdrafts
    @CidCDdrafts 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +279

    So... all that suffering... for a Minecraft Beacon?

    • @iberis361
      @iberis361 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +81

      "Absolute worth for that mining speed👌"
      - Carmen, probably.

    • @ErlkingHeathcliff69
      @ErlkingHeathcliff69 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

      and then goddamn fuckin angela stole it and threw it into the end

    • @NoHandle44
      @NoHandle44 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      ​@@ErlkingHeathcliff69 I mean. ain caused so much suffering. He didn't deserve to be the hero he only deserved to be the villain.

    • @veem404
      @veem404 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      ​@@NoHandle44 it's not quite that simple. both ayin and angela are very flawed people, but neither heroes nor villains. ayin was willing to do and sacrifice anything for the ultimate goal of everyone's unimaginable benefit. angela just wanted to live and exist in the world she suffered so much for.

    • @anusaukko6792
      @anusaukko6792 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      @@NoHandle44 Ayin isn't a hero or a villain, he's just a person. An incredibly flawed person whose committed many sins and done great deeds as well. If it were as simple as being a hero or a villain, this would be Disney Corporation 😭

  • @ThrashRats
    @ThrashRats 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +241

    19:29 Ayin watching a Sseth video on the living room's TV is something that surprisingly just makes sense for his character.

    • @8bithypocrite
      @8bithypocrite  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

      That's exactly why I made that joke! I'm glad we're on the same page about Ayin.

    • @anusaukko6792
      @anusaukko6792 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      I imagine Ayin would love the random niche games Sseth pulls out of his ass, and during the old days Carmen would watch some videos along with him and have no idea what's going on but be happy that he is happy.

    • @samfire3067
      @samfire3067 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      "It's a crimeless crime, Just like punching someone in The dark..."

  • @demiurgusgodofform8589
    @demiurgusgodofform8589 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +119

    Ayin didn't wipe his mind initially. He only did that after looping a few [REDACTED] times, failing, and realizing that he had his own demons to overcome. So he compartmentalized and uploaded his memories into three separate lab-grown bodies, each of which became his regrets, obsessions, and megalomaniacal ego, each warped to varying degrees due to his exposure to Abnormalities for extended periods of time, with Adam taking the Lion's Share.

  • @-w-.
    @-w-. 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1174

    Ain't no way, Lobco....

  • @istolesomeonestoast
    @istolesomeonestoast 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +236

    So happy to randomly stumble upon this

    • @Ramsey276one
      @Ramsey276one 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      I still have Enkephalin left from my birthday. I probably won't Distort...
      Also I got the Masquerade PV before this in my recommendation!

    • @mushy9612
      @mushy9612 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Careful or the cult will grab you into the depth of brainrot

    • @8bithypocrite
      @8bithypocrite  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

      Oh god oh no you watched it it's so over. I WARNED YOU AT THE START

    • @istolesomeonestoast
      @istolesomeonestoast 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

      @@8bithypocrite oh, I was already a part of the cult. I just randomly came upon this video. My fate was sealed WAYYYYY before I found this

    • @AbnusXD
      @AbnusXD หลายเดือนก่อน

      I heard the Lobotomy Corporation name mentioned ~2 years ago and now I wish I looked into it earlier.

  • @2265Hello
    @2265Hello 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +252

    Minor misconception at
    19:45 Benjamin would have caved instantly and be a max tier subscriber to Ayin’s patreon

    • @8bithypocrite
      @8bithypocrite  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +64

      OH YOU'RE SO RIGHT THOUGH

    • @enkephalin.
      @enkephalin. 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      This is true

  • @Mastercheap
    @Mastercheap 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +110

    Who knew that relying on artificial intelligence based on a human that you openly hate, that will be forced to see suffering for who know how long while also seeing time a thousand time slower would be a bad idea?

    • @anusaukko6792
      @anusaukko6792 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Do you mean that Ayin hated the parts of Angela that were based on himself, or that he hated Carmen? Since he, you know, didn't.

    • @bonafidemoron
      @bonafidemoron 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ​@@anusaukko6792 It's precisely his love of Carmen that made him disgusted at Angela. She was supposed to replace her as a guiding post, holding the metaphorical remnants of her soul and her mind and turned out to be absolutely nothing like her. It is the immeasurable disappointment and grief for Carmen that lead to Ayin's neglect of Angela, a mere sight at her being more than enough to remember all the sins and failures in his path.

    • @anusaukko6792
      @anusaukko6792 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@bonafidemoron Yeah I understand this completely, but I'm still wondering what the OP meant since he explicitly said ''human you openly hated'', since he hated himself the most if we count humans.

    • @bonafidemoron
      @bonafidemoron 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@anusaukko6792 Oh, you're totally right. My bad. I'd assume that depending on pacing you could interpret it either way, the hating sentiment directed towards solely the AI or the human it is based on. The first one is the correct one, and honestly the way I read it the first time, but on a second glance I totally see where you're coming from. Still, the original intent lies within OP's thoughts only so! :P

  • @KenderFox-MothVA
    @KenderFox-MothVA 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +131

    Absolutely love stumbling into things randomly!!
    (My first introduction to Project Moon games was Love Town... I have many regrets.)

  • @zalrohglekgolo6149
    @zalrohglekgolo6149 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +206

    This feels like "I HAVE NO MOUTH AND I MUST SCREAM" with anime characters and Linkin Park AMVs from early TH-cam, 4chan, and YTMND thrown in.

    • @zalrohglekgolo6149
      @zalrohglekgolo6149 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Also TH-cam recommended this to me from another video.

  • @lailahrimhildr
    @lailahrimhildr 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    as someone who is playing Limbus Company and wants to know more about the setting, thanks so much for this video! its been impossible to find playthroughs of this game so a summary like this fits the bill. appreciate it! ❤

  • @MadHermit95
    @MadHermit95 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +77

    "This is the most innovative world I have ever seen" and it's just modern day Korea /jk

  • @gorn5264
    @gorn5264 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +83

    Awesome. I don't think I quite deserve to call myself type 2 viewer but I will still point out smallest mistakes (this is how we get 300 lunacy). English is my second language, so I'm sorry for all mistakes:
    Oh, and; SPOILERS FOR ALL PM GAMES
    1. 5:08 - I don't recall any instance of an abnormality roaming Backstreets. Funnily enough, I think we have only seen an abnormality in the Nest, K-corp, to be exact and it was still a planned thing. Other than that, only L-corp before and after its fall.
    extra. 5:56 - You don't need Fixers for that, just read one of the Sweepers books and you will get a very nice guide just for that situation (this is not a serious nitpick, obviously).
    2. 8:14 - Not necessarily. In the Hook office post-battle Roland says that Amendment was only a part of a big "get rid of sapient non-humans" movement. So, not only robots but also something akin to gnomes, for example, was driven out.
    3. 8:48 - I wouldn't be so sure. There is no direct confirmation that the disease was a metaphor, for all we know, there is a Well (collective subconscious), and "water" in it could've been "poisoned" (that one is certainly a Binah-certified metaphor). After all, mind in PM games is a very powerful thing, capable of creating gods (khem Will of the City khem), so a literal disease is not impossible in that context.
    4. 9:55 - Moreover he is not a researcher at all, he is just a guy who lived (more like existed) in the Nest. He joined the project for the same reason as Ayin - simping. No qualifications whatsoever as far as we know.
    5. 12:30 - To be fair, they were still conducting borderline illegal experiments as nobodies. I'm fairly certain K-corp ampules cost shitton of money, since we don't see any LoR enemies using it (even Hana association) or/and require a contract. Also, I think K-corp ampules can only heal still living people, because resurrection is implied to be illegal (Timekilling Time, "The Assistant" says it do Danteh when wondering about nature of their abilities) and Ayin didn't have any on hand (they are in the Outskirts).
    6. 13:15 - That's incorrect. Cogito does not turn person into Distortion (aka, their own ego manifested as a monster), but draws from a Well, collective subconscious. (Imagine being so shallow that you straight up turn into Spider Bud, because your only distinct characteristic is fear of spiders). Abnormalities are not someones ego, they're concepts, fairytales, something that many people share, opposite to Distortion or EGO, which is deeply tied to the individual. The only instance of someone summoning ther own EGO before White Nights and Dark Days is Kali, and she only did it after carrying Abnormality EGO (again, different from personal EGO, anyone can carry it with sufficient training, for example) for a long time.
    7. 15:30 - You are making Ayin a bit too much of a monster. Giovanni believed that they could save Carmen without external input and A just "didn't want to ruin his last hope" (yeah, much better, I know, but still, it shows that he is not a complete psychopath, and in a messed up way cares about people).
    8. 17:10 - Again, a bit too much negativity, A himself states that no one could blame Daniel for his actions.
    extra. 27:50 - while this is a valid interpretation, I want to leave my opinion on each A. I view them as different endings (no shit) for Ayin. Abel is the one who could not move forward, because he couldn't find enough strengh to finish the cycle (The Will to Stand up Straight), convinced himself that it's not worth it (Rationality to Maintain Discretion), decided that he doesn't have a right to do it (The Hope to be a Better Person), or just gave up on life overall (The Fearlessness to keep on Living). Abram wants to abandon and destroy the project, because there is no hope for any change (The Expectation for the Meaning of Existence), he already lost so much (The Courage to Protect), and there is no one who gives a shit about all of this and especially A himself (Those who are Faithful and Trustworthy). Adam wants to finish the project in the way Carmen intended (though it isn't clearly stated, it aligns with her motivations in LoR and Limbus Company and we don't know much about her before Lob Corp. I mean, we've only heard about her from Ayin and Sephirah - which is like asking Binah to choose which is better: tea or coffee, expecting her to be unbiased - not the best source), to force people into the "right" way of living and to not allow them to face the world at its worst and change it, hiding them behind shell of an EGO - Distortion (The Eye Facing the Fear; Breaking the Cycle), to make them forget their violent past and make them forever unable to pick their own path (The Eye Embracing the Past; Building the Future).
    9. 31:47 - Not exactly, it isn't clear whether B was planned to become a Sephira or it was out of necessity.
    Very cool, not sure if I'm completely right, honestly. I haven't reread L-corp story for quite some time, but I hope there are some meaningful things here.

    • @55_reasons_why74
      @55_reasons_why74 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      thank you for doing the pm brainrot posting for me lol

    • @Plaugus_Screenz
      @Plaugus_Screenz 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      If we take the TCTB event into account and the monolith you could interprete that you must make a distortion to make a abno because Kim would of progressed from Distortion to abno if the mono wasn't stoped but the mono could be a different thing but similar idea or a less efficient way to make a abno and lobo could do direct person to abno.
      We know they had the incomplete or dregs of abno making (pecatulim) in the the form of the odrdeals Dateh says they have similar/same readings in the green dawn event
      Also some of the ordeals do have striking similarities to future events peoples and things
      The clowns,the violet ordeals maybie the fixer ordeals if you believe the pale and white are Roland and Angelica
      But they also pull from the past/present
      The robot uprising of green,the orange pests of G corp,sweepers.
      Could the human subconscious be able to see the future in the PMverse or could their be future seeing/time traveling individuals who make the subconscious have slight taint of future events
      I ramble and muse

    • @gorn5264
      @gorn5264 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@Plaugus_Screenz Philipclair story has huge implications too. Carmen says that she has already seen similiar child who might be Philip. That means Light is universal across all mirror worlds. moreover, Carmen and, by extension Ayin, are universal too. This is very huge, though speculative.
      I think the best way to describe PM-verse is "Fantasy/Fairytale in the dark modern setting". Sci-fi is a lie. People fight with swords, miracles are performed if you wish upon a star, there are literal gates of Hell and forest with magical creatures and literal Santa Gnomes with present factory. Literally a fairytale ruined by capitalism, it's so captivating.

    • @Plaugus_Screenz
      @Plaugus_Screenz 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@gorn5264 yeah from what we know their is 4-5 known multiverse entity's depending on your interpretation of Dateh
      Ayin and Carmen (both in the light where is ayin )
      Iori the purple tear
      Danteh who can reach through the mirror worlds aided with the mirror tech (some think is ayin)
      Demian he is "owner" of the mirror worlds

    • @Plaugus_Screenz
      @Plaugus_Screenz 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Their is probably more multiversal beings that we don't know of in the same vein as Bookcliff or like Danteh who can grasp the multiverse but they are unknown ATM

  • @imalltheragex2000
    @imalltheragex2000 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

    1:22 secret 5th option, you are a lore buff that love video game lore and like watching explanation of video game lore

  • @cringebaby7462
    @cringebaby7462 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    Damn, this 50 minute video explaining the convoluted lore that I didn't understand a lick of about a game I've never heard of sure is great.

  • @ssharkiggo6432
    @ssharkiggo6432 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +36

    I’d actually argue that Kali was stronger than Garion, since Kali had to bring down abnormalities and claws before fighting Garion, but hey, that’s just a theory

    • @anusaukko6792
      @anusaukko6792 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      I mean sure Garion is an Arbiter and all, but she's never been called The Strongest like Kali now has she? Checkmate Arbiter fans!

  • @nottheboc1498
    @nottheboc1498 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

    i think spider bud actually represents parental instinct/caring for others more than anything, not fear of spiders, (it's even bundled together with the other abnos that have multiple mini-abnos that are crucial to the abnos themes like the swan and laetita in the hod realization in ruina!) so the person who got turned into it was likely just a person who was REALLY protective of their loved ones, not georg spiderhater. just a small nitpick!

  • @GenericUser860
    @GenericUser860 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Got to Day 49 and honestly, I've given up and watched this video. 90 hours in Lob Corp and still haven't beaten it, and now I don't have to! Thanks for the summary.

    • @Tigmas2288
      @Tigmas2288 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      180 hours in and still havent beaten it lol I suck at this game

    • @ictoan4271
      @ictoan4271 16 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      I swear it'll take me actual years to beat LC. I honestly don't get LC elitists

  • @CyberNinja04
    @CyberNinja04 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +93

    I LOVE THE CITY I LIVE INNN

  • @panaskw
    @panaskw 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    50:03 you cant leave us hanging like this, hope this series is still in the works!

    • @yurimaglajos1850
      @yurimaglajos1850 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      idk if this was sarcastic but yes, its still in the works

  • @mercury4885
    @mercury4885 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    i have no idea what lobotomy corporation is but i'm ready to have the weirdest workout of my life

  • @DSh1105
    @DSh1105 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Can't wait for more videos on these games (they seem really interesting). Also wanted to say I love how you showcases information, talking about serious stuff while being able to lighten the mood with jokes.

  • @averageanger7092
    @averageanger7092 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +52

    Angela has always heavily reminded me of AM from I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream.

    • @AJIEKC777
      @AJIEKC777 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      There are some possible inspirations, however Angela, surprisingly, is much more soft. AMs biggest gripe was being made ALMOST perfect, basically not being able to feel good emotions, so it just did what it could - torture the only humans left alive. Angela on the other hand has 0 compassion for humans, but clearly is both fond of Sephirahs and not above human connection (see Lolan). Bad LOR ending is basically her becoming closest to AM.

  • @demoflower5427
    @demoflower5427 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +117

    a lobotomy corp video?
    WE EATING GOOD TONIGHT BOYS

  • @zeroimagination6191
    @zeroimagination6191 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Just figured out something, A corp, B corp, C corp; Arbiter, Claws, Beholder; Ayin, Carmen, Benjamin. This A B C pattern was in my face the whole time.

    • @yac2d
      @yac2d 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Silly abc shenanigans

  • @neroesthepangolinmaster
    @neroesthepangolinmaster 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +114

    Fairly sure Lisa and Enoch were from the outskirts, but minor mistake that doesn't matter much.
    Edited additions
    While abnormalities are there before Ayin, I doubt Kali has had much if any contact before the project, but I might be wrong.

    • @ssharkiggo6432
      @ssharkiggo6432 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Dante’s nots have said, those aren’t abnos those are just generic monsters. Apparently, all abnos are monsters but not a monsters are abnos

    • @prim8512
      @prim8512 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@ssharkiggo6432the birds and the Black Forest.

    • @neroesthepangolinmaster
      @neroesthepangolinmaster 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@ssharkiggo6432 fairly sure bit said abnormalities, and even if I misremember, monsters are rare inside the city pre lobotomy as far as I can tell.

    • @ssharkiggo6432
      @ssharkiggo6432 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@prim8512 yeah, pretty sure those are monsters found and captured by Ayin, no idea how they produce enkephelin though

    • @ssharkiggo6432
      @ssharkiggo6432 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@neroesthepangolinmaster yeah, monsters were rare, bloodfiends weren't even a problem before Blood Red Nights. I don't know if sweepers count, but they're probably the only major monsters

  • @NothingKingKN
    @NothingKingKN 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

    I have never heard anyone condense everything of Garion so succinctly as in "A power scaling tool". Bra-vo!

  • @blitzar8443
    @blitzar8443 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    When I clicked the video, I expected the lore to be knock off scp and only intended to watch 5 minutes. I was so wrong, it was so interesting that I couldn't stop watching till the end and subscribed to the channel. 🤣

    • @anusaukko6792
      @anusaukko6792 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      The funniest part about Lobotomy Corporation is that you often hear stuff like ''Oh its like an SCP management game'' then you look at the story and find a literary masterpiece with euphemisms, symbolism, and mythological + irl influence out the ass. Then this continues even further in their 2 sequel games.

    • @blitzar8443
      @blitzar8443 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@anusaukko6792 I loved the train story.

    • @enkephalin.
      @enkephalin. 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Pretty much what the other commenter said. Lobcorp looks like some SCP knockoff but just caring to look deeper into it it's a masterfully crafted piece of universe arguably better than scp lol

  • @stevepenn2582
    @stevepenn2582 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I think the biggest thing missing in this video is that its not obvious, at least 30 minutes in, that Ayin has no goals besides completing what he THINKS Carmens goals are because he's obsessed with her

  • @theunnamedboog3197
    @theunnamedboog3197 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    I haven't played LobCorp since I beat it 2 years ago, and let me tell you, when the first trumpet music started playing in the background of this video, I got fucking flashbacks.

  • @zetroll0372
    @zetroll0372 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +48

    4:10 wdym Arbiters are not breedable?
    also, great job.
    also also, Jacob and Vic's link goes to "This page isn't available". wrong link?
    also also also, any news about roll2play?

    • @gabreil12yt49
      @gabreil12yt49 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      No, the Arbiters are NOT breedable.

    • @8bithypocrite
      @8bithypocrite  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Thanks for the heads up!! The links should be fixed now. Roll2Play is in a bit of a limbo right now unfortunately. I have people ready to play, but I'm a bit too busy to actually make a game happen right now. It's pretty much all I can do to work on this channel, so I can't promise when more R2P may happen. Hopefully it will!
      (And don't believe that, I was forced to put that in by A Corp, it's head propaganda)

    • @MadHermit95
      @MadHermit95 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      @@zetroll0372 In the Ciry, Arbiter breeds you.
      GET PILLARED

  • @Istreakilaz
    @Istreakilaz 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Totally wasn't strapped down to a chair, leglocks and lobotomy pins holders included, and forced to ingest this game at gunpoint while simultaneously getting my head rewired by a close associate.
    Totally doesn't feel like i just watched a different game summary, because of how different the player experience and the lore experience is.

  • @voidopall548
    @voidopall548 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

    Wow you were not kidding when you said to run I’m now far to invested to just walk away like I never learned any of this 😭😭

  • @lookingforabettername2872
    @lookingforabettername2872 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Thank you man. As a person who get into Project Moon just a month ago, this really help. Look forward to your Library of Ruina video.

  • @justsomejerseydevilwithint4606
    @justsomejerseydevilwithint4606 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I'm here from Milkythesquid. All I know is chaotic ramblings about how good Project Moon games are, the basic premise of Lobco, and to accept your selfish urges to get Cool Armor

  • @dlwk1988
    @dlwk1988 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +43

    ah yes literally man made horror beyond our comprehension

  • @MadmanHelldiver
    @MadmanHelldiver หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    1:33 "I'll get sucked in two" woah buddy! stop drilling you've already struck oil!

  • @nonameanonymous3633
    @nonameanonymous3633 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Secret number 5: I don't have the memory space on my phone for the games or a computer and don't wanna try to find a Let's Play that encompasses the full experience.

  • @FabixMega
    @FabixMega 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Learning the story through the game itself was pretty confusing because i had no context and they kept bringing up things from the past in a pretty obfuscated and cryptic way. Thanks for this fun and easy explanation, but i still have a question from all this. So before Ayin secures a place in the city as the L corp, they were operating in a separate facility in the outskirts? Meaning that there was more than one facility that we played in?? thats all i dont rlly get apart from that, great watch, keep up the good work!

  • @bluebow5014
    @bluebow5014 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Not me getting actual chills from these voice performances, I'll be sure to check the next video, plus Im excited to check out the games myself
    Awesome vid

  • @divvyn
    @divvyn 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Thank you for haunting me with this class. I am a full convert. May god have mercy on my friends

  • @baselbaiatra7241
    @baselbaiatra7241 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    oh sweet lore about a game i dont know much about from a youtuber i havent seen before

  • @124metsfan
    @124metsfan 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    This is the first game with lore that hits as hard as rainworld

  • @ssharkiggo6432
    @ssharkiggo6432 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Something about Gebura’s meltdown, according to Myo, her body is more durable, but her skills were much weaker. I don’t know if this also applies to Binah.

    • @phuhieucaubangsuong1038
      @phuhieucaubangsuong1038 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I means it certainly make sense. A robotic body is sure to give you extra armor at the cost of reduced movement.

  • @Samarai-hf9si
    @Samarai-hf9si 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    This video is making me so tempted to try the game, but also absolutely terrified of the difficulty. I don't think I have a big enough brain.

  • @StrawhatJeff
    @StrawhatJeff 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Question for better understanding: You said Angela had to reset every time a little bit of positive emotion took place. Why was that an important trigger to reset? Wasn't "finding soul and hope" the ultimate goal of Ayin?

    • @veem404
      @veem404 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      very late, but:
      the point was to make the Sephirah go through unimaginable suffering, THEN grow as people. if something got in the way of that unimaginable suffering she would need to reset. X didn't necessarily need to suffer, it was just inevitable and likely entertaining for Angela.

    • @StrawhatJeff
      @StrawhatJeff 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@veem404 Thanks!

  • @mizukiakiyama2567
    @mizukiakiyama2567 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    hidden evil option: got sucked in by item asylum

  • @empyrea_2546
    @empyrea_2546 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    18:23 that jjk reference was perfection 😂😂😂😂

  • @mothlure
    @mothlure 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    i think its some kind of bitter irony with cheseds meltdown is how even though his meltdown is about how he caused all of his friends to die and feels regret about it, yet despite that his gimmick is literally about harming the employees

  • @sciencey2858
    @sciencey2858 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

    27:00 Netzach was part of the SAFETY Team

    • @8bithypocrite
      @8bithypocrite  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Oh dang, you're so right. I don't know how I messed that up!

    • @notmitsukiyolol
      @notmitsukiyolol 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      @@8bithypocriteOld translations had it as the Security Team so that’s probably why

  • @The_ever_preset_Bee_Eater
    @The_ever_preset_Bee_Eater 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +129

    “Oh no the games so hard whaaaa”
    X: nah, I’d win

    • @saihate7402
      @saihate7402 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      ***[RETRY]***

  • @samakiraroyjanssen6326
    @samakiraroyjanssen6326 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    ‘Finds video randomly’
    ‘Listens to intro to see if interested’
    “…or four, this randomly popped into your recommended, in which case- RUN RUN FAR AWAY!”

  • @ProbablyEmo
    @ProbablyEmo 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I think this is the first lore video for anything where I’ve genuinely laughed out loud multiple times and explains the story really well, time to go finally get back into Ruina (Knight of Despair has caused a great amount of despair for me)

  • @T.A.O_Daj
    @T.A.O_Daj 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Absolutely amazing video! Can you do Limbus Company next?

  • @lovetown8595
    @lovetown8595 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Another lob corp lore video...time to keep rewatching this for hours

  • @archmagemc3561
    @archmagemc3561 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Down below is a major tip to help you with lobotomy corporation if you wanna play the game yourself. Its the biggest cheese for the hardest boss of the game.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    For those having issues with the arbiter, esp on day 49, there is some cheese you can do to her.
    You require backwards clock in your facility to do this.
    Backwards clock when she starts her meltdowns, then summon the rabbits on her right away. The backwards clock will stun her by clearing her meltdowns, and the rabbits can put out enough damage to knock off a phase, sometimes 2. During day 49, they can sometimes completely solo her or get her to the point where you deal with 1 set of lockdowns and bumrush her for game.
    So her fight only has 1 to 1.5 phases instead of 3 with this method, making her much, much more managable.

  • @angrymushroom26
    @angrymushroom26 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    19:30 Ayin watching the SsethTzeentach Caves of Qud video seems strangle fitting, given how far he is willing to push the limits of humanity in any way possible.

  • @poketam4461
    @poketam4461 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Incredibly well put together video. Super fun look through the lore and story. Defs helps my understanding of the series

  • @typicalkin
    @typicalkin 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    This is so well explained and edited, awesome stuff

  • @sqocks8254
    @sqocks8254 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is a great video, thank you for making it! ❤
    I especially like the retelling of Angela's experience throughout the loops at the end of the story.

  • @michaeltalpas
    @michaeltalpas 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Paused at 46:20 and started laughing. A good old belly laugh. Unpause the video and Angela says, "But aren't you forgetting someone?" lol

  • @marqjt
    @marqjt 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Yo this vid is insane, you deserved more subs 💯 I'll be waiting for more

  • @ern1353
    @ern1353 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    That’s one foreboding warning
    I hope ignoring it has no ramifications

  • @nolorick2024
    @nolorick2024 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My language is Spanish but I just wanted to thank you for the very good work and creativity in bringing the story, sharing it with the newbies who are just getting into this. I met PM for his game Limbus company a week ago and I thought it was interesting to know the story of his other games and I knew that they had a connection between all of them so I said what could go wrong? And as I thought the story is brutal (in a good way), from my heart and never failed in my instinct, that the company will still bring out more stuff for us to enjoy and see how the story continues.
    I also liked your creativity, I don't know why it reminds me of the old styles of video creation, maybe because of the avatar, the voices, transitions but I liked it.
    Oh and to add, I see this video from two months ago, if I'm not mistaken I don't think you have a complete history of LR. Literally if u made the second video for the continuation of this one, it would be the two great “pillar” videos for the community to show a friend to get them into the game.

  • @Alpha-Icy
    @Alpha-Icy 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    One of the best lob corp summary I've saw

  • @alungi1549
    @alungi1549 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What a great vid, not only in game content but in its exposition. I had only ever heard the name of the game but had no info on it. Thank you for this vid, what a journey! I am thoroughly intrigued for the rest!

  • @gataylor6982
    @gataylor6982 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    This is basically like the emperor TTS when I think about it. Not perfect for the lore but presents in an entertaining and intriguing enough that if someone really wanted to they could find the correct info for pm lore.

  • @Golden_Crusader
    @Golden_Crusader 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    My entire life memories just seemed like small glances into the past, so when I see a video about small glances that I can only remember like three times or so and I watch it only for it to be one of the most amazing stories I've heard is about to keep me hooked for a long while.

  • @РоманВасильев-ы7м
    @РоманВасильев-ы7м 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Hey, where did the 0:00 picture came from? I recently saw it a couple of times, but I don't remember seeing it nor in Lobotomy corp neither in Library of Ruina..

  • @cloudycat5535
    @cloudycat5535 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    23:30-23:40
    Ayin: Bold of you to assume they can catch me. Watch this *disintegrate into the light*

  • @megaalex7025
    @megaalex7025 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    31:15 so sad that you died of Hokma

  • @DahParagon
    @DahParagon 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very well made video, it was a joy to witness. Thanks for making this :)

  • @ronanhartman8942
    @ronanhartman8942 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Nice to see a new longform episoid from you!

  • @helsiosquadron
    @helsiosquadron 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    18:20 imagine if someone actually gets spoiled by this

  • @SixSixVix
    @SixSixVix 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    That intro was very 'first day of class' and then just snapped to 'abandon hope all who enter'.

  • @MemeAnt
    @MemeAnt 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Wouldn’t be the first time I lost my mind playing a game or learning about a series

  • @kaede_but_yt
    @kaede_but_yt หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    First time watching your content and not even 2 minutes in I'm hit with some hilarious lines. I've not played a PM game, but a good chunk of my friends do (though they're more occupied with Limbus Company than the other two games.), though I will admit I have been introduced to LobCorp outside of that friend circle via TH-cam recommendations.

  • @Spartansindud
    @Spartansindud 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    You have got me hooked onto this dark dark universe and then again I enjoy Warhammer 40k so I’m not one to talk

  • @robertrosas5007
    @robertrosas5007 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    😂😂😂 I've seen a lot of videos like this, and this is the first time I've seen the 4th point. Keep up the good work!!

  • @blazewithin4590
    @blazewithin4590 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    LETS GO!!! IVE BEEN SEARCHING FOR A VIDEO LIKE THIS!

  • @ItzS1lverr
    @ItzS1lverr 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Are you dropping the entire story of library of ruina anytime soon, because i want to know both lor and lobotomy corp before i start limbus company and your explaining is just too amazing

  • @PearlSnce
    @PearlSnce 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I am here because i recognised the Lcorp logo in limbus company, with no idea they were in the same universe

  • @No.1Kiddo
    @No.1Kiddo 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    31:54 Chesed does What

  • @albertrenfred7673
    @albertrenfred7673 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    To summarize what the universe of project moon is like, imagine if our world evolved to become a world with mixtures of mad max, fallout, and a bit of terra during the age of strive from Warhammer 40k. Then the remaining humans somehow achieved Star Trek’s levels of technological advancements, and shortly there after devolved into the cyberpunk genre that is so grim dark and brutal that only 40k or maybe Berserk could top it off. And also with a bit of Dune sprinkled in with the whole “not making a machine in the likeness of a human mind”. And also also the entire human race as far as we know only exist in one continent sized city. AND also also also, the city is ruled by a cursed triumvirate of hot goth mommies, quantum ghosts, and weird terminators in suits.
    (SPOILER ALERT)
    Then, as if things couldn’t get any worse, after the story of Lobotomy corp the SCP foundation was compromised from within due to daddy issues. Resulting in the Lovecraftian universe being unleashed into this universe.

  • @ketsuekiuki
    @ketsuekiuki 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    if i had a drink i would have spit it out when you pulled out the dungeons and dragons as "dangerous forgotten technology"

  • @bondrewd2147
    @bondrewd2147 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Well lad I’ll be seeing you in about a year, see ya

  • @thefightibg
    @thefightibg 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The will to stand up straight, The rationality to maintain discretion, The hope to be a better person, The fearlessness to keep on living, The expectation of the meaning of existence, The courage to protect, Those who are faithful and trustworthy, The eye facing the fear breaking the cycle, The eye embracing the past building the future

  • @firefly56embers33
    @firefly56embers33 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Im going to say would to binah, angels and genbura.
    Also, thank you for getting me into this wacky rabbit hole of a series. It's got me ready to buy it on xbox.

  • @kleineratte677
    @kleineratte677 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    She could have used a "I am not mad that you ruined everything forever"-hug ...