I’ve always put Black Fleet Crisis up there with the first Thrawn Trilogy as the best of the EU. The Yevethens were great villains, and all the stories had weight. Great trio of books.
Cool. I personally wasn’t that fond of the black fleet crisis. While I liked all the military stuff and the villains, I could never get invested in the luke storyline since I knew the novels couldn’t reveal anything important about Lukes mom, and I absolutely hate how Leia’s character is written in this series. Put that together with a lando subplot that was ok but should have been its own story and the trilogy is just kinda meh for me.
@@grandmoffjake6871 I've always liked these books. It doesn't hurt that I read them in 1996 around the time I took my first roadtrip of more than 500 miles-the Luke excursion kind of segued into what I was really doing in my mind
@@brentbartley6838 yeah the x wing books are great. My favorite are the aaron allston x wing books though, wraith squadron has a bunch of great moments and starfighters of adumar is one my favorite star wars books. I still have high hopes for the patty jenkins movie. From what I’ve heard, the problems with WW84 stem from her having to write the movie and not being super into it as well as studio interference. So as long as she gets a good script writer it should be good. She definitely seems into it for this project, she has talked about how her dad was a fighter pilot and how it is inspiring her to make this movie. I think in an interview she also talked about how she was reading up on the rouge squadron comics and novels to prepare for directing the movie
"Your wars are decided by the death of a tenth of a population, a third of an army. Then the defeated surrender their honor and the victors surrender their advantage. This is called being civilized. The Yevetha are not civilized, General. It would be a mistake to deal with us as though we were."- Nil Spaar.
fun fact, the Vong were asked by a local species in the area to fight the Yevetha-the Battle of N'Zoth saw no quarter given or accepted on either side and the Yevetha driven nearly to extinction
Something to note is that battle had to have been apocalyptic in scale. Warmaster Nas Choka referred to the Yevetha as "Barbaric". Think about that for a moment, the head of the military of a war and pain obsessed culture thought that the Yevetha were BARBARIC.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 The Vong have something of an honor culture, as well as a system of religious mores that they try to uphold. The Yevetha are just brutal because they can not conceive of anything else. Its noted they never evolved any sense of ethics or morality-beyond exploitation and extreme social darwinism.
@@lordinvictus793 That's not entirely accurate. The Yevetha have a concept of Honor, but it only applies to them, they don't consider any other species to be sentient or above anything other than 'vermin' The nature of the Koornacht Cluster and N'zoth is so harsh and insular that the Yevetha had to build their civilization as a harsh and callous one. Their blood was the nourishment of the species, thus giving a religious and cultural aspect to bloodshed, birth and death to them. They have a functional- if admittedly nihilistically brutal- society.
Breaking the joke (apologies), but wouldn’t “death” be better for “making obvious bad guys sound bad”? (Eg Death Squadron & Death Troopers) -I feel like “black” is more for “making obvious scary guys scary”. 🤔
Ah the Yevetha. "What if every libel either side of the levantine conflict was true about one faction, and also the Imperial Japanese Navy and the Yugoslav wars all in one."
This was a very good trilogy. But I feel it was because it showcased both Lando Calrissian and Lobot, who we never really saw or heard much about after The Empire Strikes Back. Perhaps you might cover Landos mission during the crisis in a little more detail. It'll also give some more spotlight to poor Lobot.
This was one of my favorites outside of the Thrawn Trilogy and Duology. If I remember right, the Black Fleet was neither captured or destroyed; rather, imperial survivors retook their fleet of star destroyers and leapt into hyperspace and were never heard from again. Also, unless I am mistaken, Lando and Lobot were pursuing an organic, living, ship in the trilogy that has an uncanny resemblance to the Vong (at least in concept) but that ship also vanished and has never popped up again. The Black Fleet Trilogy was an amazing set of books.
Well that's not entirely accurate, sourcebooks and the Essential Guide to Warfare reveal what happened to Black Sword Command after they jumped to Byss. They found the world destroyed and the Emperor as well as Imperial High Command basically nonexistent. As such the survivors discussed what to do, the majority of the ships decided to join the New Republic, The experimental dreadnought EX-F and two of the newer modified Imperial Star Destroyers joined Pellaeon in the Outer Rim where EX-F was renamed the Rakehell which would eventually be destroyed at the battle of Anx Minor during the Final Imperial Push, at some point after reaching or in route to Byss, the Yevethans retook the Super Star Destroyer Aramadia and jumped it back to N'zoth, where it was brought to the surface and became a museum ship( odd I know), the Executor class Super Star Destroyer Intimidator jumped to the Unknown Regions and somehow ended up an unsalvageable derelict wreck there(no clue or record on how, why or what happened to put it in that condition there) and four of the Victory Class Star Destroyers joined Daala and the replacement Warlords in the Deep Core.
I think the living ship started working to terraform the planet it was originally from, which itself had sent the ship out because of an oncoming ice age.
Cool. I somehow missed these books years ago and had forgotten all about them. I wouldn't complain if you made more content on this trilogy of books. Thanks dude.
Recently reread the Black Fleet Crisis trilogy and realized that they're like a classic example of a Fanatical Purifier species in Stellaris. This made me like the books even more.
I'd enjoy hearing more about this race and their Black Fleet's Purge. I recognized it from Saga Edition (a Star Wars TTRPG I hope to play someday), and learning more about them would give me fun character ideas.
It’s funny how for Eck’s channel, 9 minutes is considered a long video. Long enough to warn about it at the beginning. I love the content and would be willing to watch longer form videos and content as well.
The Yevetha vs the Yuuzhan Vong. I would love to have seen that fight. Them being big bads, in their trilogy to getting almost completely wiped out by the time the Force Heretic trilogy comes around. Something like Stalingrad is what I envision. And what about the Ssi-Ruuk? A species that extracted the life-energies of sentient beings and used them as power sources for their mechanical technology. Tsavong Lah would have declared holy war on them, like he did the Jedi.
It must have been a hellish and cataclysmic final battle considering that Jaina finds "The wreckage of thousands of Thrustships, dozens of capital ships and a space station large enough to maintain the entire fleet" and that was just over N'zoth, there were two other worlds with large fleet wreckage around them, the amount of vessels and force the Vong must have brought to bear against that much firepower wielded by such fanatical xenophobes had to have been on par with what they hit Coruscant with. Casualties had to have been extremely heavy for the Vong and of course were apocalyptic for the Yevetha.
@@papapalps2415 Thrustships aren't just frigates, they can both take and give a lot of punishment. Each carries up to four D type fighter squadrons. Forty four of them were enough to cause medium casualties on the New Republic Fifth Fleet at the Battle of N'zoth during the crisis even when they were outnumbered five to one and the Fallanasi were helping with illusions against the Yevetha. The Yevetha could duplicate current New Republic and Imperial technology and even make it better than what they copied according to an Imp that had been stationed in the Cluster. Thousands of them would indeed be a formidable force. The Vong needed enough ships to overwhelm all the Yevethan worlds simultaneously and do so quickly before those ships would be noticed missing elsewhere. That had to be a much larger force than what they hit the Imperial Remnant with and comparable to what they used on the Core. It's worth noting that the Warmaster Nas Choka refers to the Yevetha as "barbaric and vicious" which is from the War leader of an exceptionally brutal, barbaric and vicious species himself. That's telling on how the Yevetha fought in their final hours.
zillafire101 nah, Typhojem, the Left-Handed God. (Second) Father of Shadows. One of the 3 evil gods of Dark Illathurion. He's mentioned very little in Canon and for a long time in Legends as well. But his origins and that of his cursed siblings (Abeloth technically being one) are vastly expanded upon in the upcoming Supernatural Encounters novel set in the Legends continuity...
I wanna see the guy who had to tell Thrawn what Isaard lost. "Well...the good news is that the NR will be softened up." "And the bad news?" "Well...Isaard lost 3 SSDs and 60 other major ships." "I...see...and our forces?" "Well we still have the weird ninja cats...and we're very close to finding those 20 year old Dreadnaughts that may be full of a deadly virus." *sigh* "I'll be in my art gallery."
Those Dreadnaughts were lost in the days of the Old Republic due tho the crew catching a core virus that drove it's victims insane,and while they were insane,one of them plotted a random hyperspace jump. Due to all the ships having slave circuits to the command ship,all of them jumped when it did.
@@Rellana1 the Katanna fleet was launched by the Galactic Republic during its final decade of existence. Not the Old Republic. Regardless, Talon Karrde found 1 and then Thrawn got word on the location of 20. The rest, as far as I know, were never found.
One of the few missed moments from Legends is that we never got to see the Yevetha fight the Vong. They did have a war with each other but we only found out the aftermath.
*Warns about video being long* THAT IS WHY I'M HERE😆🙌 I swear each time I hear of Original Canon stories and concepts the more & more I'm reminded of the wasted potential of the sequels😤
Just recently read this book. The xenophobia that the Yevethan have are not too dissimilar to extremists in today's world especially religious extremists. Their political outmaneuvering and purging of sentient beings within the Cluster was both ingenious from a military and political perspective but also horrific from a civilian one. I can only hazard a guess on what their interactions with the Yuuzhan Vong were like when they arrived.
I like to imagine the meeting went something like this: "Where did this footage come from?" "A refugee from Polini took this footage of the Duskhan League doing atrocities, then fled the system in a TIE Interceptor before we picked him up on a routine patrol by chance." "By the Force..." "I know, it's hard t-" "No, really. We were going to call BS on the footage and say that you were doing fake news for political clout, but we realized you were serious when you mentioned that he was desperate enough to get away from them in a TIE Interceptor, a ship with no life support or hyperdrive, as fast as possible."
For the longest time, this particular line of novels and the Yevetha didn't appear to be recognized as canon within Star Wars lore. Seriously. I had all of the books in this series, and couldn't find anything about them in other published works like timeline compilations and various guides. That was until the New Jedi Order series was released and the Yuuzhan Vong became a thing, *then* everything about the Yevetha and what they'd done seemed to be recognized canonically. I'm not sure what was going on with that. Maybe some sort of legal dispute with LucasArts, at the time.
@@michaelandreipalon359 I still like the "original" Legends origin stories offered before the prequel trilogy was released, and long before the Disney sequels. Especially the Tales of the Bounty Hunters collection.
Well that has more to do with the timeline. The Yevethan crisis didn't happen until near the end of the GCW when most of the fighting was ended and it ended in a few months. The next major event that really hit was the Yuuzhan Vong invasion about eight years later in universe. It was also close to when Delray got the license from Bantam, so there was a major transition in tone, which was ironic since the Delray era was much more open to brutality, gore and a darker tone than the Bantam era. In many ways the Yevetha were the prototype for the Vong storyline.
@@GlidingZephyr : I believe the proper term for the "original Legends" stuff is the EU- certainly that's what I call it. The "Legends" term only popped up _after_ Phantom Menace.
The Black Fleet Crisis trilogy of books never gets any love. It always got kinda of a bad rap I think mostly because of the Luke/ Akanah storyline never actually going anywhere. I was okay with it. I didn't like the Lando storyline, I couldn't get into the concept of Lando and the droids exploring a long lost ship. The Leia/Nil Spaar portions were the best, well written, of the trilogy. I especially liked the political intrigue. And Nil Spaar was a great villain. The whole of the Yevethan societal customs was fascinating.
@@hawkticus_history_corner I guess. I've just read Most Wanted and the Solo novel which totally contradicts the 90s written Han Solo trilogy, but whatever, just go with it. What are you gonna do? Read them with a "freestyle" point of view. Or structure it. Read the legends timelin, finish it, then, separately read the canon timeline. Both timelines contradict each other sometimes, anyways. Have fun. Read 'em and decide for yourself which timeline you prefer. Personally, I think, both timelines have good stuff. I didn't like episodes 7, 8 and 9 but the legends had some pretty bad stuff, too. The Crystal Star, the Glove of Darth Vader series was horrible even though both storylines had good concepts. It was the execution that sucked. Anyways, I'm ranting.
@@greenonions7492 Sorry, I meant that the Black Fleet crisis contradicts Legends Canon at various points. It has a unique depiction of Hyperspace as one of it's bigger issues
@@hawkticus_history_corner yea, the early to mid 90s, had the problem of consistency with their line of books. Each writer would create their story, with their own characters and by the time the next set of novels came out some of those characters would never be heard from again. It happened in the The Black Fleet Crisis trilogy. Theres a chairman Ben-khil-nam and others that were never used again. It wasn't until 99, with the introduction of the New Jedi Order series, when the publisher decided to form a more cohesive continuity.
I really just wish there was longer lore videos. 10 mins isn't long at all. I understand that these take a very long time to make. Yet 10 mins just doesn't seem long at all.
I didn’t enjoy those books on the first read through. I just constantly had the feeling of why is the New Republic not just rolling in the Calvary and smacking the Yevethan down but I guess that would kind of Turn them into the Empire. The Black fleet crisis for me in Legends is just the third series of books where the antagonist pushed that weirdness window to far for me to like the story trying to be told around them. Still I would reread them!
I don't listen to your podcast "Tapcafe Transmissions" because of the vulgar language you and Corey plunge into. That said, this subject of your video is a good one. Even though the violence is toned down, this purge has got to be among the most brutal and coldest thing a race has done during the Bantam era of the EU. I reread these books during the COVID lockdown, and the Yevetha are really extreme-kind of like a precursor to the Vong
Always had a soft spot for Black Fleet Crisis if only as it was one of the few novels to have a focus on big fleet battles with no Force Users for a lot of things.
The biggest problem with the EU is all the “galaxy ending” events that the same characters had to deal with. Smaller, character based stories existed of course, but there still too many. Planet scale crisis should of been more common, like 40k. Galaxy level threats should pop up maybe every eon or so.
It's kinda hard for threats to not become potentially galaxy-threatening when certain forces involved can rapidly adapt their tech, warfare tactics, and influence over thousands of light years in hours to days. But I do agree that planetary or Star system crises should have been more common 👍
@@blackshogun272 But in Star Wars, the way they travel, going across the galaxy takes weeks/ days, not years. That is also only true if you WRITE it in the lore to be true lol. The Vong were the only galaxy ending threat I didn’t mind and the hive creatures at the center of Corrusant was a cool plot but Luke, Leia and the gang took too much of the glory away from other potential characters. I get that they wanted Jedi, but Mandalorian proved that you don’t need Jedi for a good story and it often helps to not have any.
I wish there were more stories like this where the aliens conquered by the Empire took up arms and turned out to be just as bad as them when they inherited what remained after the New Republic took over. It's realistic and shows how cyclical wars can be.
Something about the BFC books really took me out of the story and ended up derailing me from picking up any of the books afterward for quite awhile. Been long enough now that I could not really put my finger on why honestly though I do recall enjoying some of the B-plot stuff and new ships.
The black fleet crisis is a weird series. The lando story in it is super boring and the Luke subplot not much better. When I reread the series I completely skip at least a third of each book and just read the yeyetha parts.
You can find the entire trilogy here for fairly reasonable rates. www.secondsale.com/series/star-wars-the-black-fleet-crisis/1369488?campaignid=1541438072&adgroupid=59128234459&keyword=&device=c&gclid=CjwKCAjwgb6IBhAREiwAgMYKRkTcTiBNQ21755H0JhDD4etvOXJeU0L0xh6BmZTaE-6WyTCqXsJvKhoCeQkQAvD_BwE
@@recurvestickerdragon happy to help, but a word of warning, the Luke subplot is very VERY bad. The Lando side story is really neat...but it in no way connects to the rest of the book's central plot.
Am I the only one that thinks that the empire losing 3 ssd's because they were all receiving repairs at one dockyard when the enslaved dock workers rebelled, and that the enslaved dock workers freed their comparatively primitive planet, repaired/built and staffed 3 ssds and 40some other capital ships, and colonized many other worlds before anyone bothered to pay attention to them is a little hard to swallow? How many other times by that point had there been that many ssd-sized ships in the same place at the same time?
#AskEck Can you make a Factions Compared video involving The Greatest Star Wars Tacticians? My picks are: Revan (Old Republic), General Grevious (CIS), Admiral Ackbar (Rebel Alliance/New Republic), and Thrawn (Empire).
The species is called Yevetha. The adjective for their species (of or about the Yevetha) is Yevethan. The species isn't called the Yevethan. For someone who talks about reading the books, you don't seem to pay much attention to spelling.
Spoiler alert! awooga! awoooga!! I loved the role survivors of the Imperial crews of Black Sword Command played in the ultimate defeat of Yevethans... Karma is a bitch.
Because these races have never been opposed by a sufficiently advanced and defiant enemy and so over time develop deep xenophobic societies with egos larger than planets...
It was just the designation of that fleet, much like how there was Azure Hammer Command(they weren't blue) It seems with Sector level fleets you had a Color and Item designation for each. Kind of like how military units today have Unit Crests and Fort Badges.
“How many war crimes do you want t-“
“Yes.”
-The Empire before Pellaeon
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I’ve always put Black Fleet Crisis up there with the first Thrawn Trilogy as the best of the EU. The Yevethens were great villains, and all the stories had weight. Great trio of books.
Cool. I personally wasn’t that fond of the black fleet crisis. While I liked all the military stuff and the villains, I could never get invested in the luke storyline since I knew the novels couldn’t reveal anything important about Lukes mom, and I absolutely hate how Leia’s character is written in this series. Put that together with a lando subplot that was ok but should have been its own story and the trilogy is just kinda meh for me.
@@grandmoffjake6871 I've always liked these books. It doesn't hurt that I read them in 1996 around the time I took my first roadtrip of more than 500 miles-the Luke excursion kind of segued into what I was really doing in my mind
@@brentbartley6838 yeah the x wing books are great. My favorite are the aaron allston x wing books though, wraith squadron has a bunch of great moments and starfighters of adumar is one my favorite star wars books.
I still have high hopes for the patty jenkins movie. From what I’ve heard, the problems with WW84 stem from her having to write the movie and not being super into it as well as studio interference. So as long as she gets a good script writer it should be good. She definitely seems into it for this project, she has talked about how her dad was a fighter pilot and how it is inspiring her to make this movie. I think in an interview she also talked about how she was reading up on the rouge squadron comics and novels to prepare for directing the movie
Leia is massively out of character in Black Fleet Crisis, like NuCanon Mon Mothma or TLJ Leia.
Not for me I thought it was bad.
"Your wars are decided by the death of a tenth of a population, a third of an army. Then the defeated surrender their honor and the victors surrender their advantage. This is called being civilized. The Yevetha are not civilized, General. It would be a mistake to deal with us as though we were."- Nil Spaar.
fun fact, the Vong were asked by a local species in the area to fight the Yevetha-the Battle of N'Zoth saw no quarter given or accepted on either side and the Yevetha driven nearly to extinction
Nearly? I believe they were.
@@KMCA779 10,000 or so left. They refused aid from the New Republic.
Something to note is that battle had to have been apocalyptic in scale.
Warmaster Nas Choka referred to the Yevetha as "Barbaric". Think about that for a moment, the head of the military of a war and pain obsessed culture thought that the Yevetha were BARBARIC.
@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 The Vong have something of an honor culture, as well as a system of religious mores that they try to uphold. The Yevetha are just brutal because they can not conceive of anything else. Its noted they never evolved any sense of ethics or morality-beyond exploitation and extreme social darwinism.
@@lordinvictus793 That's not entirely accurate. The Yevetha have a concept of Honor, but it only applies to them, they don't consider any other species to be sentient or above anything other than 'vermin'
The nature of the Koornacht Cluster and N'zoth is so harsh and insular that the Yevetha had to build their civilization as a harsh and callous one. Their blood was the nourishment of the species, thus giving a religious and cultural aspect to bloodshed, birth and death to them.
They have a functional- if admittedly nihilistically brutal- society.
Book writer: "Hey uhhh George how do we make the most obvious bad guys bad?"
George: "just have black in the name"
Book writer: "well that works'
Oh god, Twitter’s gonna be in a frenzy when they unveil their newest villain: “Black Guy”
@@ImTheReverse the newest Villain, Guy McBlack
Beware, Noir Darkblack of the Midnight Veil is coming!
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Breaking the joke (apologies), but wouldn’t “death” be better for “making obvious bad guys sound bad”? (Eg Death Squadron & Death Troopers) -I feel like “black” is more for “making obvious scary guys scary”. 🤔
Ah the Yevetha. "What if every libel either side of the levantine conflict was true about one faction, and also the Imperial Japanese Navy and the Yugoslav wars all in one."
I was a big fan of this series back in the day. I felt like there was a lot more nuance and variety.
@@kushwithwizdom what lol he’s literally married
@@kushwithwizdom He has a daughter.
Eck: today's video will be a bit longer than usual
Me: well that's why I'm here
Anyone who's gotta go timestamp a 9 min video is a creature of very little patience.
This was a very good trilogy. But I feel it was because it showcased both Lando Calrissian and Lobot, who we never really saw or heard much about after The Empire Strikes Back.
Perhaps you might cover Landos mission during the crisis in a little more detail. It'll also give some more spotlight to poor Lobot.
This was one of my favorites outside of the Thrawn Trilogy and Duology. If I remember right, the Black Fleet was neither captured or destroyed; rather, imperial survivors retook their fleet of star destroyers and leapt into hyperspace and were never heard from again. Also, unless I am mistaken, Lando and Lobot were pursuing an organic, living, ship in the trilogy that has an uncanny resemblance to the Vong (at least in concept) but that ship also vanished and has never popped up again. The Black Fleet Trilogy was an amazing set of books.
Well that's not entirely accurate, sourcebooks and the Essential Guide to Warfare reveal what happened to Black Sword Command after they jumped to Byss. They found the world destroyed and the Emperor as well as Imperial High Command basically nonexistent. As such the survivors discussed what to do, the majority of the ships decided to join the New Republic, The experimental dreadnought EX-F and two of the newer modified Imperial Star Destroyers joined Pellaeon in the Outer Rim where EX-F was renamed the Rakehell which would eventually be destroyed at the battle of Anx Minor during the Final Imperial Push, at some point after reaching or in route to Byss, the Yevethans retook the Super Star Destroyer Aramadia and jumped it back to N'zoth, where it was brought to the surface and became a museum ship( odd I know), the Executor class Super Star Destroyer Intimidator jumped to the Unknown Regions and somehow ended up an unsalvageable derelict wreck there(no clue or record on how, why or what happened to put it in that condition there) and four of the Victory Class Star Destroyers joined Daala and the replacement Warlords in the Deep Core.
I think the living ship started working to terraform the planet it was originally from, which itself had sent the ship out because of an oncoming ice age.
Nice video. Always love legends content.
Same even if legends was weird and out there least the stories made sense and were consistent unlike the trilogy which should not be named
@@davidordaz5251 Eh this one wasn't very consistent, Leia was as out of character in this as in TLJ. The rest was pretty good though.
PLEASE cover more of this period of Star Wars Legends history! This, and any Dark Nest/Swarm War content would be most appreciated!
Cool. I somehow missed these books years ago and had forgotten all about them. I wouldn't complain if you made more content on this trilogy of books. Thanks dude.
Always thought that the Yevetha were the most sinister antagonist in the entire original series.
Recently reread the Black Fleet Crisis trilogy and realized that they're like a classic example of a Fanatical Purifier species in Stellaris. This made me like the books even more.
I'd enjoy hearing more about this race and their Black Fleet's Purge. I recognized it from Saga Edition (a Star Wars TTRPG I hope to play someday), and learning more about them would give me fun character ideas.
"I wanna tell you guys that today's video is long."
All truth be told, 9 minutes is hardly what I'd call "long". But continue, handsome.
It’s funny how for Eck’s channel, 9 minutes is considered a long video. Long enough to warn about it at the beginning. I love the content and would be willing to watch longer form videos and content as well.
The Yevetha vs the Yuuzhan Vong. I would love to have seen that fight. Them being big bads, in their trilogy to getting almost completely wiped out by the time the Force Heretic trilogy comes around. Something like Stalingrad is what I envision.
And what about the Ssi-Ruuk? A species that extracted the life-energies of sentient beings and used them as power sources for their mechanical technology. Tsavong Lah would have declared holy war on them, like he did the Jedi.
It must have been a hellish and cataclysmic final battle considering that Jaina finds "The wreckage of thousands of Thrustships, dozens of capital ships and a space station large enough to maintain the entire fleet" and that was just over N'zoth, there were two other worlds with large fleet wreckage around them, the amount of vessels and force the Vong must have brought to bear against that much firepower wielded by such fanatical xenophobes had to have been on par with what they hit Coruscant with.
Casualties had to have been extremely heavy for the Vong and of course were apocalyptic for the Yevetha.
@@papapalps2415 Thrustships aren't just frigates, they can both take and give a lot of punishment. Each carries up to four D type fighter squadrons. Forty four of them were enough to cause medium casualties on the New Republic Fifth Fleet at the Battle of N'zoth during the crisis even when they were outnumbered five to one and the Fallanasi were helping with illusions against the Yevetha. The Yevetha could duplicate current New Republic and Imperial technology and even make it better than what they copied according to an Imp that had been stationed in the Cluster. Thousands of them would indeed be a formidable force.
The Vong needed enough ships to overwhelm all the Yevethan worlds simultaneously and do so quickly before those ships would be noticed missing elsewhere. That had to be a much larger force than what they hit the Imperial Remnant with and comparable to what they used on the Core.
It's worth noting that the Warmaster Nas Choka refers to the Yevetha as "barbaric and vicious" which is from the War leader of an exceptionally brutal, barbaric and vicious species himself. That's telling on how the Yevetha fought in their final hours.
I find it funny the Yevethan resemble Ghouls and Vampires from Arabic and other stories.
Because the being that that indirectly created them is the equivalent of their religion's Satan...
@@blackshogun272 Abeloth?
zillafire101 nah, Typhojem, the Left-Handed God. (Second) Father of Shadows. One of the 3 evil gods of Dark Illathurion. He's mentioned very little in Canon and for a long time in Legends as well. But his origins and that of his cursed siblings (Abeloth technically being one) are vastly expanded upon in the upcoming Supernatural Encounters novel set in the Legends continuity...
I wanna see the guy who had to tell Thrawn what Isaard lost.
"Well...the good news is that the NR will be softened up."
"And the bad news?"
"Well...Isaard lost 3 SSDs and 60 other major ships."
"I...see...and our forces?"
"Well we still have the weird ninja cats...and we're very close to finding those 20 year old Dreadnaughts that may be full of a deadly virus."
*sigh* "I'll be in my art gallery."
Shawn McRoberts Isard didn’t lose those ships they weren’t under her command
Heh, beautiful.
Those Dreadnaughts were lost in the days of the Old Republic due tho the crew catching a core virus that drove it's victims insane,and while they were insane,one of them plotted a random hyperspace jump. Due to all the ships having slave circuits to the command ship,all of them jumped when it did.
@@Rellana1 the Katanna fleet was launched by the Galactic Republic during its final decade of existence. Not the Old Republic. Regardless, Talon Karrde found 1 and then Thrawn got word on the location of 20. The rest, as far as I know, were never found.
One of the few missed moments from Legends is that we never got to see the Yevetha fight the Vong. They did have a war with each other but we only found out the aftermath.
Black Fleet Crises trilogy one of my favorites star wars books series.
*Warns about video being long*
THAT IS WHY I'M HERE😆🙌
I swear each time I hear of Original Canon stories and concepts the more & more I'm reminded of the wasted potential of the sequels😤
Yes. Please do more of the Black fleet crisis.
*(Attempt 869)*
I'm back.
Faction vs battle suggestion: "The Forerunners vs the Imperium of Man."
@SonofEyeaboveall Effoff What about forrunner? Or even the Precursors?
@SonofEyeaboveall Effoff And The Forerunners and The Ancient Humanity has similar firepower.
This channel is FAR better than Star Wars Theory
Awesome video… also the editing with the outro song to shiba inu playing around was the best lmao
Damn Eck, you have some crazy timing, I'm halfway through reading Tyrant's Test again!
Just recently read this book. The xenophobia that the Yevethan have are not too dissimilar to extremists in today's world especially religious extremists. Their political outmaneuvering and purging of sentient beings within the Cluster was both ingenious from a military and political perspective but also horrific from a civilian one. I can only hazard a guess on what their interactions with the Yuuzhan Vong were like when they arrived.
I personally would love to hear anything about the high republic side of things. It would also be interesting to hear more about these guys too.
I missed these sort of longer lore videos
As par usual 10/10 awesome star wars lore. Keep up the work
Very interested to hear more! Sounds like this would make for a great series
Nicely done Eck, I look forward to hearing your next part to it, Naturally Ill push back my plans to cover this ;)
I like to imagine the meeting went something like this:
"Where did this footage come from?"
"A refugee from Polini took this footage of the Duskhan League doing atrocities, then fled the system in a TIE Interceptor before we picked him up on a routine patrol by chance."
"By the Force..."
"I know, it's hard t-"
"No, really. We were going to call BS on the footage and say that you were doing fake news for political clout, but we realized you were serious when you mentioned that he was desperate enough to get away from them in a TIE Interceptor, a ship with no life support or hyperdrive, as fast as possible."
For the longest time, this particular line of novels and the Yevetha didn't appear to be recognized as canon within Star Wars lore. Seriously. I had all of the books in this series, and couldn't find anything about them in other published works like timeline compilations and various guides.
That was until the New Jedi Order series was released and the Yuuzhan Vong became a thing, *then* everything about the Yevetha and what they'd done seemed to be recognized canonically. I'm not sure what was going on with that. Maybe some sort of legal dispute with LucasArts, at the time.
@@michaelandreipalon359 I still like the "original" Legends origin stories offered before the prequel trilogy was released, and long before the Disney sequels. Especially the Tales of the Bounty Hunters collection.
Well that has more to do with the timeline. The Yevethan crisis didn't happen until near the end of the GCW when most of the fighting was ended and it ended in a few months. The next major event that really hit was the Yuuzhan Vong invasion about eight years later in universe.
It was also close to when Delray got the license from Bantam, so there was a major transition in tone, which was ironic since the Delray era was much more open to brutality, gore and a darker tone than the Bantam era. In many ways the Yevetha were the prototype for the Vong storyline.
@@GlidingZephyr : I believe the proper term for the "original Legends" stuff is the EU- certainly that's what I call it. The "Legends" term only popped up _after_ Phantom Menace.
More about this please!
The Black Fleet Crisis trilogy of books never gets any love. It always got kinda of a bad rap I think mostly because of the Luke/ Akanah storyline never actually going anywhere. I was okay with it. I didn't like the Lando storyline, I couldn't get into the concept of Lando and the droids exploring a long lost ship. The Leia/Nil Spaar portions were the best, well written, of the trilogy. I especially liked the political intrigue. And Nil Spaar was a great villain. The whole of the Yevethan societal customs was fascinating.
I enjoyed it but it has various inconsistencies with canon that also throw people off
@@hawkticus_history_corner I guess. I've just read Most Wanted and the Solo novel which totally contradicts the 90s written Han Solo trilogy, but whatever, just go with it. What are you gonna do? Read them with a "freestyle" point of view. Or structure it. Read the legends timelin, finish it, then, separately read the canon timeline. Both timelines contradict each other sometimes, anyways. Have fun. Read 'em and decide for yourself which timeline you prefer. Personally, I think, both timelines have good stuff. I didn't like episodes 7, 8 and 9 but the legends had some pretty bad stuff, too. The Crystal Star, the Glove of Darth Vader series was horrible even though both storylines had good concepts. It was the execution that sucked. Anyways, I'm ranting.
@@greenonions7492 Sorry, I meant that the Black Fleet crisis contradicts Legends Canon at various points. It has a unique depiction of Hyperspace as one of it's bigger issues
@@hawkticus_history_corner yea, the early to mid 90s, had the problem of consistency with their line of books. Each writer would create their story, with their own characters and by the time the next set of novels came out some of those characters would never be heard from again. It happened in the The Black Fleet Crisis trilogy. Theres a chairman Ben-khil-nam and others that were never used again. It wasn't until 99, with the introduction of the New Jedi Order series, when the publisher decided to form a more cohesive continuity.
Yeah that would be really cool if you covered more if the black sword
Going to need Eck to do a video on the Yevethan breeding habits lmao
I want more lore on this conflict
I love these kind of videos from you so much. (Also, have you ever thought of doing more Star wars vs?)
Make more videos like this pls
I really just wish there was longer lore videos. 10 mins isn't long at all. I understand that these take a very long time to make. Yet 10 mins just doesn't seem long at all.
I didn’t enjoy those books on the first read through. I just constantly had the feeling of why is the New Republic not just rolling in the Calvary and smacking the Yevethan down but I guess that would kind of Turn them into the Empire.
The Black fleet crisis for me in Legends is just the third series of books where the antagonist pushed that weirdness window to far for me to like the story trying to be told around them. Still I would reread them!
These guys and the Imperium would get along pretty good
I don't listen to your podcast "Tapcafe Transmissions" because of the vulgar language you and Corey plunge into. That said, this subject of your video is a good one. Even though the violence is toned down, this purge has got to be among the most brutal and coldest thing a race has done during the Bantam era of the EU. I reread these books during the COVID lockdown, and the Yevetha are really extreme-kind of like a precursor to the Vong
Always had a soft spot for Black Fleet Crisis if only as it was one of the few novels to have a focus on big fleet battles with no Force Users for a lot of things.
I really enjoyed the black fleet crisis but it felt very... different... in its ship flavors.
"long video" 9mins lol :)
However good video as always
The biggest problem with the EU is all the “galaxy ending” events that the same characters had to deal with. Smaller, character based stories existed of course, but there still too many. Planet scale crisis should of been more common, like 40k. Galaxy level threats should pop up maybe every eon or so.
It's kinda hard for threats to not become potentially galaxy-threatening when certain forces involved can rapidly adapt their tech, warfare tactics, and influence over thousands of light years in hours to days. But I do agree that planetary or Star system crises should have been more common 👍
@@blackshogun272 But in Star Wars, the way they travel, going across the galaxy takes weeks/ days, not years. That is also only true if you WRITE it in the lore to be true lol. The Vong were the only galaxy ending threat I didn’t mind and the hive creatures at the center of Corrusant was a cool plot but Luke, Leia and the gang took too much of the glory away from other potential characters. I get that they wanted Jedi, but Mandalorian proved that you don’t need Jedi for a good story and it often helps to not have any.
more vids like this please
I have that first book it’s really good!!
Hello there
General Kenobi...
You are a bold one
Your move....
You fool, I’ve been trained in your Jedi arts by Count Dooku.
@@greenbluethings2839 attack Kenobi lol
I read most of the Legends novels except the X wing books and black fleet books. Perhaps its time to read them now...
#askeck can u do a darth jarjar video?
upvote this for visibility folks!
I would love more explanations of the black fleet since those books were confusing
It's been a long time since the last Starship Versus but, what about a remaster? For example Cylon basestar vs ISD II
What game was he playing at 0:24? and where did the footage of the space battles come from?
Please do another squadrons tournament
The black fleet books were...something. kinda feel like the yevetha were a big enough of a deal that they really didn't need the irrelevant subplots
Huh... which EaW mod was at the beginning? Looked like a Yuuzhan Vong one.
Should I read the black fleet crisis without reading anything else near by it in the time line?
I wish there were more stories like this where the aliens conquered by the Empire took up arms and turned out to be just as bad as them when they inherited what remained after the New Republic took over. It's realistic and shows how cyclical wars can be.
Something about the BFC books really took me out of the story and ended up derailing me from picking up any of the books afterward for quite awhile. Been long enough now that I could not really put my finger on why honestly though I do recall enjoying some of the B-plot stuff and new ships.
The black fleet crisis is a weird series. The lando story in it is super boring and the Luke subplot not much better. When I reread the series I completely skip at least a third of each book and just read the yeyetha parts.
#askeck. Who is a better slicer. Drusil Bephorin vs. Zakarisz Ghent. The Parting Gift vs. The Rude Awakening. Fire Creeper's vs. Roverine's.
long? not even 10 minutes. I love your stuff and would listen to much much longer
Black fleet crisis is one of my favorite series in the EU, possibly second only to the thrawn trilogy (I'm basic, leave me be)
So, from which comic is that scene in minute 7?
I going to edit the 2005 clone wars the last 4 episodes of season 7 clone wars bad batch and revenge of the sith
This may be a stupid question but…we’re the ships also black? I only had the Audible abridged versions so I missed a lot 😔
can you do something on doctor aphra?
I loved Before the Storm. I always wanted to read the sequels, but never could find copies
You can find the entire trilogy here for fairly reasonable rates.
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@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 ooh, thanks
@@recurvestickerdragon happy to help, but a word of warning, the Luke subplot is very VERY bad. The Lando side story is really neat...but it in no way connects to the rest of the book's central plot.
Just curious, what are these clips from?
How does that sound inspired by madman’s knowledge
#AskEck Who would win, Darth Malgus, or Darth Bane?
Starwars AT-ST or AT-DP vs Goliath (Starcraft 2)
>Is long
>9 minutes
Oh sweet summer chilf
Am I the only one that thinks that the empire losing 3 ssd's because they were all receiving repairs at one dockyard when the enslaved dock workers rebelled, and that the enslaved dock workers freed their comparatively primitive planet, repaired/built and staffed 3 ssds and 40some other capital ships, and colonized many other worlds before anyone bothered to pay attention to them is a little hard to swallow? How many other times by that point had there been that many ssd-sized ships in the same place at the same time?
Moar Black Fleet Crisis please.
#AskEck Can you make a Factions Compared video involving The Greatest Star Wars Tacticians? My picks are: Revan (Old Republic), General Grevious (CIS), Admiral Ackbar (Rebel Alliance/New Republic), and Thrawn (Empire).
Hes basically done that already with his factions compared vid about each factions greatest admirals.
@@sweetroll1723 Oh, darn it! I wanted to see Revan go up against these great admirals as well. Oh well.
This feels really low key on the war crimes scale after a 40k lore vid.
What's the animation of the tie interceptor pilot?
SW Squadrons
The species is called Yevetha. The adjective for their species (of or about the Yevetha) is Yevethan. The species isn't called the Yevethan. For someone who talks about reading the books, you don't seem to pay much attention to spelling.
Under 10 minutes isn't long at all. My attention span is pretty good though.
Chewie did not like these guys, and that was before Han was their prisoner XP
All credit for the idea goes to madman’s knowledge
9 min video long? 20 minutes ago I finished a 7 hour long review of a video game.
Spoiler alert! awooga! awoooga!!
I loved the role survivors of the Imperial crews of Black Sword Command played in the ultimate defeat of Yevethans...
Karma is a bitch.
Why is it that a lot of Legends conflicts boil down to "we're a xenophobic race of aliens. Bow before us!"?
Because these races have never been opposed by a sufficiently advanced and defiant enemy and so over time develop deep xenophobic societies with egos larger than planets...
They have no right to post a short video and call it long its unfair. If you know you know
Thrust ships, awww yeah. #GetThrusty
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Was the Black Fleet so called because the ships were painted black?
No
@@EckhartsLadder oh, ok
It was just the designation of that fleet, much like how there was Azure Hammer Command(they weren't blue) It seems with Sector level fleets you had a Color and Item designation for each. Kind of like how military units today have Unit Crests and Fort Badges.
Atrocities?
This is just a typical Stellaris game
Today's video is long 0:03 looks at time 9 minutes that looks like a normal time video.
they may have also been xenophobic because of the whole "enslaved by the empire" thing.
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@@theleftfootedsultan general kenobi