The Rebel Alliance's absolutely BRUTAL Special Forces
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The Rebel Alliance had an absolutely BRUTAL cadre of special forces. We'll cover that and more on today's Star Wars legends lore video!
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There’s nothing more dangerous than a man with his back to a wall and nothing to lose
put a disruptor in the hands of the man with his back to the wall and nothing left to lose, and even IG-88 assassin droids will learn what fear is.
@@palpadur1112 woah woah…disruptors are illegal. Cmon we aren’t monsters
@@andrewbryant4259 Distruptors aren't illegal when there's no one alive to report them
Only the greatest of individuals can stare into the face of oblivion and dare it to blink
Two men with their backs to a wall and nothing to lose
I think my favorite special units are the ones who are designed to specifically capturing AT-ST/AT and using them against the Imperials.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Something is better than nothing.
i can see a badass defected AT-ST/AT crewman turned rebel leading and training a team with his fellow crewmen to capture them and use them against the empire
and collect enough to create a stockpile
@@wagahagwa6978 I doubt rebel AT-ATs would be useful in anything but a very specific situation
@@Ranyick The real problem is transporting them aside from that there is definetly uses for them like defending rebel bases like on Yavin and Hoth or destroying imperial bases like on Endor
@@facelesscleric2744 it forces the rebels into a conventional battle which (as demonstrated by Hoth) they will most likely loose. The empire has more armored vehicles, artillery and bombers to counter the few armored units the rebels might get. If the rebels will use armor it’ll be light mobile vehicles that suit their doctrine, AT-ATs are everything but that.
I would give the clothes off my back to have the rebel alliance Specforce back into canon. The infiltrators and marines are the coolest commandos in their ranks. Sick of the empire getting all the good stuff on the ground.
They are still canon I just don't believe they're ever used sadly.....need my boys in the alliance back on top
@@brockgundichif it were up to me, I’d do a band of brothers Star Wars show centered on them.
@Stone Sky Sunrise a live action show about rebel soliders is always my dream star wars show especially due to how little is shown of the GCW
Out of every major faction the rebels always get the short end of the stick when it comes to astetics. I'm hoping Andor we start to see that changing. I want something on par with the Republic Commando or Death Trooper (even if they are glorified bodyguards, they have the best drip)
@@seevideonowikr? Something with bandoliers and pieces of body armor. Basically like Kota’s militia.
It occurs to me that even Spec Forces washouts might still have a slight advantage. They could teach other Rebels some of what they learned; sort of a "Pro tip-- try doing this" situation. 🙂
yeah, just like special forces irl, they will often try to teach others in what they'd call as a "Knowledge Transfer" or something edgy lol
Letting the best train the rest
That's sort of a military culture thing. When you get sent to a special school or special team you are expected to share that knowledge with those you work with.
I spent years doing all sort of crazy specialized training while guarding Nukes & doing "special teams" stuff in Korea. When I arrived at a small rinky dink base & my Flight Chief learned about my training I ended up teaching stuff nearly every night.
We would also choose people to go to special schools not just based on their ability to do it, but their ability to absorb & disseminate knowledge.
And yeah, even if you wash out you're expected to share.
Sometimes it's weird little things that wash you out or more likely get you to go home. Like having a cup of water thrown in your face when it's cold, when you've suffered through all the other hell just fine. So those skills still stick with you.
The washouts are still good enough to be looked at.
Delta Force is a good example of the ultimate spec ops. They don't just dismantle armies but create them. Anyone who is looked at for it is very capable in brain and brawn.
i'd love to see a short 'Star Wars: Infiltrator' where it plays out like Predator with an imperial garrison slowly being picked off one by one, we dont even -see- the rebels until the end and the only lines we hear from the Infiltrator unit are somthing like 'Mission accomplished, Exfiltrating now' as we see six shadowy shapes vanish into the brush - wind whistleing through an abandoned imperial garrison some where.
imperial commandos with the aid of Lord Vader then hunt down the terrorists
@@Charlie94781 good luck trying to find them😂 so funny how so many people have an obsession with the empire even though if they lived in it they would hate it.
Honestly that would've made for an awesome movie.
All praise to the folks at WEG for planting so many seeds from Legends. West End Games, Dark Horse, and Bantam content represents some of the best Star Wars has to offer.
I love the design of the Rebel Pathfinder commandos in Rogue One, I hope we get to see more of them in the future
I think the difference is supposed to be this, Special Forces are for when you have a planned out objective requiring a military force. An example being we know a location of a imperial factory and are planning a raid to destroy it. Special Operations are for less straightforward missions were going in the mission isn't obvious. An example being rumor places an Imperial bio-weapon being developed in a sector, so you deploy special operations to confirm the rumor, locate the facility, sneak inside the lab and steal the data, and then if you can't blow it up on the way out you call in the Special Forces to destroy the facility now that you know exactly what your dealing with.
or TLDR Special Forces are soldiers, Spec Ops are spy/saboteurs.
"Although SpecForce members recognized the need for SpecOps, and some considered them capable soldiers, they tended to think of Special Operations agents as amateurs who relied on luck to complete their missions. Likewise, SpecOps agents tended to regard their counterparts as a group of arrogant, over-trained grunts with over-inflated opinions of their own importance. "
Don't forget training and obtaining local assets. I.E. How Delta Force will take and train a small well cordinted group of locals who then go onto do whatever is required.
Seriously SEALs get all the glory but we rarely hear about Green Berets and Delta Force. Or the operation side of things for that matter.
It was also noted in Legends canon that SpecForces and SpecOps were attached directly to the Alliance command, and would undertake operations at their behest. But there was also Sector Forces, which were local resistance groups affiliated with the Alliance, although not directly under their command. High Command would then attach other forces to SecForce such as Starfighter wings and troops from SpecForces to train local fighters, whilst providing intel from Alliance Intelligence.
It does sound that way. To put it into starwars examples (using Andor bc its recent) it sounds like a smaller military action like Anto Kreegyr's base assault or whatever would be a specforce thing (or at least on that scale), while a more specops mission could be Aldhani or the assassination of the 2 corpos in the beginning (if that was planned, which it wasnt)
Let me clear the difference for Eck, my friend.
SpecForces = Actual troopers. Military proffesionals. Commandos
SpecOps = Your averaged randomly generated RPG party. One YT-1300 falling to pieces. A drunken Jawa. A Wookiee warrior with a Cyber-Arm. An old man that believes he is the reincarnation of Ulic-Qel Droma and a Fancy Smuggler lady with a heart gold (and spice).
SpecOps were basically created to answer the question "Where the heck in the alliance hierarchy do my random-a@# rpg party fit in?"
see, now I wanna do a star-wars DND/RPG campaign type thing, cuz that sounds hilarious. add to the group an Ithorian that is only capable of speaking in that incredibly loud Ithorian-screaming like in that one Clone Wars volume (he's why the YT-1300 keeps on falling apart)
@@Number1Irishlad I would suggest that you don't actually use DND as the system. Star Wars has some perfectly serviceable systems of its own... particularly the old WED D6 system that is referenced in this video.
So spec-ops are the irregulars that bring specific assets to the rebellion. Like a Jedi and his merry band would be Special Opereations. But they aren't considered special forces as they have not been trained to the standards of special forces units.
I was basically coming here to say the same thing as Carlos Lopez: SpecForce are military commandos with all the official military stuff: uniforms, ranks, chain of command, etc. SpecOps are eclectic groups of irregulars operating largely independently, suitable for RPG player characters.
To that I'll add that IIRC, SpecOps were technically part of Intelligence, rather than the military. So if we want a non-RPG example, the Wraiths when they're under Face's command as an Intelligence unit after leaving Starfighter Command would have been SpecOps.
I feel like my High School WEG Table being personally called out here lol
Spec ops teams are groups like the Ghosts in rebels.
They are the more "RPG group" types. As opposed to the professional military nature of special forces.
No longer a Jedi, Ahsoka Tano would become the first of something new - and perhaps the only one of her kind, unless someone else ever steps into the World Between the Worlds as well.
They are nothing like that shitty kids show that was a squad of random idiots called rebels nothing similar to spec forces
Rebel Special Forces, for when that one Imperial target is both incredibly important and a complete asshole.
Lmao.
or good Research like tie phantom ,defender, lancer frigate upgrade ,more interdictors . people blame the empire being incompetent and dont realize how many strategies to combat the rebels were blown uo by rebel spec ops
Spec Ops is Captain Cassian Andor
Spec Forces is his friend Sergent Melshi of the Pathfinders
I gotta say I absolutely like those pathfinders.
I kind of always thought of SpecForce as the elite troops of the Rebels that were part of the formal military oversight structure of the Alliance whereas SpecOps was the branch of the military that oversaw the coordination with and continued utilization of entities acting against the Empire but outside of the Alliance’s direct oversight/authority. Some groups would never fully join but having a component of the Alliance armed forces dedicated to utilizing such groups’ expertise through infusion of limited resources for key operations would have been useful.
SpecForce= military elite like SEALs, SAS, Delta, SpecOps= Intel direct action groups (CIA and KGB operators)
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Honestly I think he was poking some mild fun at his competitor Metanerdz for being a shill for Established Titles.
One thing I’m truly interested in hearing bout the rebels is how much it costed in terms of credits to get the ships, weapons, fuel etc necessary to build and maintain a full rebel cell, and also how they’d gain the money to do such a thing, like what andor did for example.
I think a parallel of "what's the difference between special forces and spec ops" is the difference in the American military between special forces and special operations capable. Special forces like the Green Berets, Navy Seals and MARSOC are dedicated to special operations like: direct action, deep reconnaissance, sabotage, etc. Whereas special operations capable are normal troops with no dedicated specialized training that at any given time can be given orders to conduct a "special operation"
Year late reply but gotta correct you. Special Forces in US military specifically refers to Green Berets and no other group. Special Operations is the collective term for the various specialized forces across the service branches.
Doctrinally SF serve as force multipliers training locals and engaging in guerilla warfare, whereas Rangers are for larger raids and airfield seizures, Seals are direct action and sabotage, Delta is hostage rescue, and PJs are rescue.
The GWOT naturally pushed the various special operations units to cross train and work overlapping mission profiles, but that is just the efficient way to fight the war rather than the two phrases defining certain mission sets.
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Many Bothans died to bring us this video
Thumbnail art is magnificent!!! Great vid as always!
So basically the different types of Rebel special forces can be roughly divided into:
1. Cassian Andor on a Monday;
2. Cassian Andor on a Tuesday;
3. Cassian Andor on a Wednesday....
Or like
Andor on Ferrix
Andor on Death star
Andor on Yavin
Andor on scarif and
Andor on jedha
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I always looked at it like this: (Using Endor as an example)
SpecForce: Han's team raiding the Shield Generator.
SpecOps: The guy who stole the shuttle they used.
I suppose this goes against what was said a bit in the video.
The Scariff assault force would be SpecForce, but Andor himself would be SpecOps.
To me SpecOps would be your deep cover man, your agent, your assassin. Able to work independently with little or no support, to maintain his cover even in tough situations, only sticking his head up to signal that his objective is complete.
SpecForces are your ARC Troopers or, Republic Commandos, The Bad Batch... The people you call when you need the A-Team to get in wreak as much havoc as possible and out quickly.
SpecOps might spend MONTHS undercover in an Imperial Ubiquitorate base to get one piece of intelligence.
SpecForces might spend a day breaking people out of an Imperial Prison and kidnapping the warden.
That's my view, like I said a bit different than established, but makes more sense to me.
You should do a video on Twilight Company
Thanks Eck! I’m rewriting The Rise of Skywalker right now and this was huge insight into some inspiration. Keep up the great work!
Just started reading the X-Wing series again, so this video fits right in with the reread, thanks!
The dab on Established Titles was great
Don't you think that was a jab at Metanerdz? It's only the channel he's compared to the most and I like both but man did he make a bad call.
I hope we get a tv show about the rebels special forces
Or just rebel military battles in general
@@willwunsche6940 yes anything during height of galactic civil war
@@igornewman9534 I know this is silly but I want to see the rebel scout speeder in a TV show. A land battle with a powerful rebel military presence would be awesome too
Nope i hope they don’t they couldn’t even make a real rebel show
@@picksleet9268Rebels is fantastic. So is Andor.
What’s up ekharts! This was such a cool vid and honestly I think the rebel alliance is kinda underrated!
Same mate
Highly recommend the old West End Games sourcebook: Galaxy Guide 9: Fragments from the Outer Rim (or something close to that) for a good primer on SpecOps, you already have the Rebel Special Forces Handbook...both together provide a good look at the difference between Special Forces (elite military...the guys on Endor) vs Special Operations (skilled operatives who aren't military...the Rogue One team).
Ahhh, I do love the WEG stuff. They developed so many of the foundational pillars and worldbuilding of the EU.
Happy to see dark forces footage on here.
Brub what are those capital ships onthe thumbnail, they look like something out of halo, that's so cool
Easy way to look at the difference between forces and ops.
Special Forces = military
SpecOps = intelligence
Scott did a beautiful job with all the sourcebooks at West End Games. COMPNOR in the Imperial Sourcebook is essentially a hybrid of the NSDAP and the CPUSSR, the artists at WEG were the first to envision and depict a Juggernaut, and so forth.
I love theses books and i still got them and usethem for my actual RPG games, even if i have changed system for something more modern and homebrew, i still use books from the WEG era a lot. they are wonderfully explaining things modern books only touch on surface. Please do more video about the SpecForces Ecks.
once again desiring to watch you do a full playthrough of the dark forces/jedi knight series and hear you talk about legends lore or whatever
finally a video showcasing how badass the rebels can be rather than what next storm trooper model the empire was gonna use but failed to do so, ive watched star wars YT vids for years and never heard of these guys, besides the battle of Scarif i thought he mainly meant people like the bad batch maybe or monsters of soldiers along those lines
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Video Idea: Post-War UNSC vs Pre-War Covenant(Halo)
And, of course, there's Rogue Squadron and Wraith Squadron from the late Rebellion/early New Republic era
I saw several comments already addressing this but the real world analog to better understand the Special Operations versus Special Forces is the CIA/NSA (Spec Ops) versus Navy Seal/Green Berets (Spec Forces), in the real world these different troop types often work together with Ops often doing more technical roles, and Forces being much more combat focus, naturally this is painting with a broad brush as Ops will have combat centric tactical teams and Forces will have more technical focused troops as well.
Year late reply but gotta correct you. Special Forces in US military specifically refers to Green Berets and no other group. Special Operations is the collective term for the various specialized forces across the service branches.
Doctrinally SF serve as force multipliers training locals and engaging in guerilla warfare, whereas Rangers are for larger raids and airfield seizures, Seals are direct action and sabotage, Delta is hostage rescue, and PJs are rescue.
The GWOT naturally pushed the various special operations units to cross train and work overlapping mission profiles, but that is just the efficient way to fight the war rather than the two phrases defining certain mission sets.
@bleh8310 I appreciate the correction. So from my point of view the special forces thing is all tier 1 and tier 2 teams, including Force Recon, and those tier 2 Recon rangers, that's what I was referring to and I probably should have been more specific.
I know traditionally it was just used for the Green berets and I was never in the military so maybe on the inside that's actually how it's used. I appreciate the correction you clearly know what you're talking about.
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West End Games was the of best source of back ground information on the Star Wars Universe growing up. Also a fun game system.
I think the Bothan spies were some of the more interesting espionage agents in the Rebellion. Shame they are barely ever mentioned in lore. A Bothan infiltrator would have been a perfect addition to the Rebel faction in Battlefront 2
Did crix medine help organise amd train rebel special forces or were they already set up by the time he detected to the alliance?
They were a ragtag group of former Republic special forces or Imperial defectors so it wasn't as organized or under one group. When Crix came along he standardized a lot of things and improved a lot of things
it was already up
I never knew there was a difference between spec ops and special forces.
I think a cool video could be one of the Imperial Army. They've gotten a lot of recent screen time thanks to Andor and Solo and they do have some interesting lore like how the Warlords dressed their army troopers in stormtrooper armor which is why Storms tended to have a lower reputation in the Warlord/New Republic period.
0:00 When I was younger with my best friend we were wanting to create a Star Wars Lore youtube channel, and that was the first quote of our first video about the Rebel Alliance, but in french !
It's a pity that WEG didn't produced a lot more of SW minis, they should've followed GW's example and expanded the franchise, if you look how successful Legion had became, imagine how many people would've been catched by a SW game.
For the Start, to be honest, they really describe every Single special force as the best of the best.
How would you classify the New Republic’s Wraith Squadron?
Epic
Nice video. 👍Have you done any videos for WEG's "Pirates & Privateers" or "The Far Orbit Project"?
What class of capital ship is that in the thumbnail?
Where would shock troopers fall into place in the rebel army? I'm guessing not quite special forces but more of an elite division of the conventional fighting force?
Wouldn't these be the Wookies?
Do more on these guys! Go into the specialties please!
I think we can all agree that Rebel special forces have some of the coolest looking uniforms and armor in Star Wars.
Wow Eck, these guys seem like the real deal. But nobody is as fearsome as Dinner Squadron!
The only squadron with an undefeated combat record!
There is also a bunch of information about Rebel Special Forces in the WEG RPG book Galaxy Guide 9: Fragments from the Rim.
Got this when it first came out. Still have all the pieces (I read the cover off of it decades ago).
When are we cracking a million? Eckhart to a million.
Infiltrators reminded me of Winter from EU lore- I bet she had some gnarly kills on her blaster belt too.
A shame that the new film don’t use and build on this. SF in Star Wars
OOOOOOOOoooooooooo that Allen Nunis art in the Rebel Sourcebook!!!!!!
Crux madine really pulled out all the stops
SpecForce are the type of ‘Non-Clone’ soldiers, that even Clone Troopers would deemed ‘worthy’ unlike the Stormtroopers.
It is worth noting that most rebels tend to be brutal, regardless of whether they're elite soldiers or not. Nature of the beast.
Where could you find the Westend books anyway?
2:28 it's FOMENT, not ferment.
When change is a brewin', remember: to ferment is to cause a chemical change to food or drink, like turning grapes into wine, but to foment is to stir up trouble, like turning a group of people into an angry mob.
Can you please make a video of the different types of armor that they use for the different environments? Because I’m always curious about that.
Also, please Make more videos on these types of things, I’m a big rebel alliance person from Star Wars
I'm in an Organized Play that uses those rules. It's awesome. We've done some amazing adventures.
I accept that SpecForce (when there were enough of them in-theater and when they could reach thev target location in time to fight) could mostly cut the majority of enemies to ribbons, or simply go around the enemy without being seen. But I would really like to seen fan fiction or a computer game about the Imperial Royal Guard. In US terms, they were the Imperial Tier Zero special operators, comparable to a cross between the US Secret Service Presidential Protective Detail and the Special Operations Group inside CIA Special Activities Division. Both an assassination unit AND a counter-assassination unit. Regularly rotated through every conceivable kind of stormtrooper duty, in order to keep their skills sharp. Peerlessly the most elite unit in the Empire, on whom absolutely no expense was spared -- improvisational and highly intelligent, each one the equal of more than a hundred ordinary soldiers. Skilled in disguises and undercover duties. Very ascetic. I would even go so far as to say that I visualize a character such as Kir Kanos or Grodin Tierce being evenly matched against Batman.
To the extent that members of the IRG were killed, it would happen because of supermassive human wave attacks organized by the psychopathic IRG traitor, Carnor Jax -- who essentially sought to become the next dictator of the Imperial Remnant as well as to become another Dark Lord of the Sith. Or it would happen when many, many of the IRG were killed on the Death Star. Or it happened because most IRG were not allowed to be Force-sensitive people, since the Emperor almost always forbade that.
You cannot just think “Oh, I will simply go and destroy one of the IRG.” It just doesn’t happen like that. Each has what to us would be Olympic-level skills with weaponry including blasters, melee weapons, martial arts, etc.. If someone tries to overmatch them with superior numbers, then the guardsmen will either pick them off one by one using stealth tactics, or plant a bomb and disappear. The IRG even had a wing of fighters for close protection duties, and they had their own constructed language so that nobody could understand them. Recall that Kir Kanos shot down a low-flying TIE fighter by shooting the pilot dead center with a single shot *from a sidearm*.
Don’t mess with them, they will kill you before you even know what happened. I’d like to have interviewed one.They were similar to how Sam Fisher would be. How many survived the Galactic Civil War? I imagine less than can be counted on one hand. In a sense, it is extremely sad what happened to them.
Love the dig at Established Titles xD
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Using Dark Forces 2 gameplay really brings back memories.
Rules of Engagement is one of my favorite books for the WEG Star Wars game.
Space Task Force 141. 😎
nice video
I think they only differentiated spec ops and special forces to kind of mimic real life. Spec ops in the US military at least refers to just about any unit that falls under special operations command or "SOCOM". Green Berets, SEALs, Ranger Regiments, Marine Raiders, Pararescue, etc. Whereas Special Forces are a specific group being the Green Berets within the US Army. It's a confusing thing though because SF (Green Berets) still falls under special ops.
Thank you, finally another person who actually knows this. Granted for civilians it's an understandable mistake to make
I'm surprised you didn't mention Wraith or Rogue squadron
Or Team One, or Page's Commandos.
R-o-g-u-e
Hi eck, I had a star wars lore question that I think would make for an interesting video: why do star wars ships have the little greebles in lore?
Peanut butter in your Ramen??? My son, you have lost your way.
Love this kind of videos
SpecFor: Han's strike team on Endor
SpecOps: Spectres pre-Phoenix
Great video
1:21 this horror always makes me lose all appetite
Seriously what were they thinking?
@@MattBurrillJapanese people are surely strange
I love their black armor
I can do one better and pick an unbeatable team in less than a minute, I would chose the Ones and Abeloth plus Anakin, Legends Luke, Starkiller, Palpatine, Yoda, Revan, Vitiate, Obi-Wan, and the Sith Triumvirate to give me the edge.
I take your all-star team and counter with Revan
@@Number1Irishlad Revan is on my team.
@@Lord-Emperor-Vader oop im dumbarse.
I take your team and my dumbness and raise you Kit Fisto
@@Number1Irishlad And I raise you Darth Jar Jar, spinning, and the High Ground.
@@Lord-Emperor-Vader ill take that and raise you Cad Bane in his prime
West End Game "Rules of Engagement" Awesome sourcebook.
When she shanked the ISB spy was that the first time that someone was stabbed with a normal knife like that?
+1 for the Dark Forces gameplay
I really hope we get more infantry ground battles in Star Wars movies and shows
Republic commandos were so cool. Imperial special forces was a cool concept also. Too bad it was absolutely wasted on the god awful battlefront 2 campaign.
It had to fit the "Agenda". EU is a million times better than canon.
I'd love more detail into the source book!
I think the empire trained their units and even their special forces to meet any enemy. The Rebellion trained their forces to meet only one: the Empire. They won because they trained exclusively to defeat one enemy and they trained very well. But it was a near run thing. Everything led to Endor. They won because they did almost everything right. The Empire lost because they thought they couldn’t lose and so did everything mediocre.
Just 2 orders of magnitude?!
Oh yeah it's playtime, Remember Alderaan!
One is the navy seal team and the other is suicide squad and is completely seat of the pants they are making the plan as they go
Oh god, the Rebels have access to "Twenty Good Men."
What game was he playing? Does anyone know?
where’s the thumbnail photo from?