Sedating & Treating a koi
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ม.ค. 2021
- This video shows me treating one of my koi the has had a bit of problem on and off for quite a while it keeps getting better then worse again. I think the treatment has been reasonably success full it has started to get better and hopefully will continue to fully heal.
A tip if you need to keep a fish out the water for a long period of time, a fish will survive out the water for hours providing you keep the gills wet, you can use a syringe to jet water directly into the gill plates and keeping the head wrapped in a soaking wet towel is perfect.
nice 1 about the syringe Bert
i use one to flush/clean under the scales of damaged area if needed the joys of the hobby lol
You can also jet some water containing the sedative into the fishes mouth if they start waking up prematurely.
Nice analogy with the gills. Think most people don't know this trick, which might lead to pulling the fish out too fast from the water. I reckon for a successful operation/sedation, you need to;
* Ensure the fish is asleep.
* Avoid big differential in temperature between water and air.
* Moist towels to keep the fish from drying out.
* Cover their eyes.
* Good air-stone to rest the fish over while it is waking up again.
* Clean water.
Feels like, that is what you did and seemed successful considering how long you kept the fish out of the water.
Yeah that's a great breakdown I should steal that for the Description lol.
It's best to take your time there is no rush you'll only make mistakes the fish can easily manage 30mins out the water (In optimal weather conditions) The longest I ever kept one out was 1hour 10mins to remove a tumor from her mouth (It was my big chagoi in main pond) she was eating 20 mins after the operation and been very happy since 🙂.
Nice details. I especially liked the finger to the gills method as a test.
Shared on our club page, cheers for that Adam. Stay safe & well buddy.
Adam thank you for taking care of that fish 🐠🐟🐠 I love your fish ❤️
Good afternoon Adam.
Awesome job Sir. It is ashame when they injure themselves, but thankfully it has a good carer looking after it. It is nice to see that it is swimming again in that massive Pond.
#Like 328 is now up.
Stay safe and take care Sir.
Learned a lot of good tips. Many over the years from you. 🙏
Great to hear! 🙂
Keep them coming Adam, Thank you
Evening Adam, super video, done this myself but always put them back without waiting for it to dry, good tips thanks for sharing hope she recovers
That was very educational! Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Good to see you back posting.
Great video. Excellent tip about running finger under gill 👍
I think nearly all types of Carp are adorable. Like seriously, both Common Carp and Koi are my favorite Carp
Entertain and educational. Nice to hear a proper accent too. Cheers Adam.
Great video. Some really good tips. Seemed to have improved alot after a week
Very well done . Looks tricky and gruesome, I would say definitely a 2 person job. Thanks for shareing
Yeah it is a two person job especially on a fish this size i got lucky really if the water was warmer it would have been impossible.
Awesome video. I've a couple what need treating but new to it. Learnt alot.
Really interesting, thanks Adam!!
Thank you Adam for sharing this video very well explained iv learned lots thank you .
Glad you enjoyed it 🙂
Great video Adam. Like you I tend to let fish be fish before getting them out and messing them about.
Great video again 👍
Great video lad , thanks for sharing 👍
good video Adam very helpful
TV is waiting for you. You’ve the perfect voice for a reality program.
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Nice to see you posting again Adam , I was thinking when is he going to put gloves on when you mentioned it , last time I used iodine my fingers were stained for ages ,great informative video 👍👍😀😀
lol Martin
Wow u make it look so easy, great vid
It is easy with a bit of practice. Thanks 🙂
Another top video Thankyou helped me out with understanding this process as always been a little scared to do this
Even my 10 year old took interest in the video and said you explained things even he can understand 😉😊👍🏻👍🏻
It's easy really just take your time don't rush, you can't go to much wrong. That's great if you need to treat a fish you can do it together 🙂
Yeah my son has alway had an interest in koi he was about 5 months old when it started come to think of it all my kids love them now we live in the country we’ll have to treat them ourselves as miles away from any dealer would you be doing any more treatment videos at all?
Thanks again for all the great content you produce stay safe and well 👍🏻😉😊
Another very useful video, I didn't know the trick with the gill, I'll definitely do that next time I have to knock a koi out
Good video nice and simple 👍
Thank you for HQ video! 😎👍
Just subscribe love watching your videos good luck with your koi hope she improves 👍
Thanks so much!
Thanks for another good video 👍👍👍👍
Thanks 👍
Great video
Thanks!
Great video mate wry informative on sedating 👍🏻
Thanks 👍
I've never seen this done before was very interesting, my dad has a big koi with a sore that needs this doing its about 47cm long
Thank you, very good video and you're right. First time I sedated one of my fish I thought I killed it, heart was racing and my daughter was crying. 20 mins later it righted itself. It was my daughters fish too, pheeeew lol. Cheers
Great video mate. Not sure if I could do that I’d be terrified of doin more harm than good. Good job the mrs said she will help with anything like that 😂👍
Thanks 🙂. Yeah it's best to take your time relax make sure you have everything ready and there isn't much to go wrong tbh.
I was worried it was a cancer at the start of the video. Looking so mu h better after treatment. 👍
Another great video mate,nice to put a face to the voice lol 😂
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks 👍
Very well done and I didn't think you could take a fish out of the water for that long without killing them I learned something new, thanks very much for sharing...
Fully agree with what you said about taking them out etc..i was the same and then i got introduced with salt. I see it time and time again of people taking fish out removing scales and what not yet when i have had similar knocks and bumps i salt for a couple of weeks and the fish fixes itself.
Yeah I Think that's the best way fish are very resilient to things it's just this fish kept clearing up and getting it again and again I decided I didn't have a choice but she does look a lot better now. 🙂
One hell of a difference just after a week
Hi bud great video. I was just wondering how long did you have that fish out the water for? Does size of fish affect how long you can have them out? Cheers
Scotty Mo
welldone man! really good explaining! i only saw a few things that you can do better :D but you did well! atleast people should respect there koi! so many left them 4 dead! so terrible to see!
you could have better hand dropped m in your pond the treathment was sticking on the koisock :D the pur oxy was really nice! ( you can kill a koi if you overdose m for to long he goes into sleep mode then :D ) so really use the discription on the bottles ! i use the same stuff really good stuff Sedate! probs 4 the video men! and wanna see your babyfry update :D show us close babys :D
Hi Julyan,
Great vid, keep'em coming. Do you have any views on using Hydrogen Peroxide instead of Iodine? I usually go at it with Peroxide and a soft toothbrush followed by propolis and powder. THough never dared to keep'em out of water for so long nor sedate them that deeply.
Also - what's your opinion on salt baths (2-3% for up to 30 mins)? I hear a lot of opposing views; some say it hurts the fish more than help them. It will drain some cell fluid out as they are set up with reverse osmosis so their cell fluid will flow out of the cells. Some people recommend 0,3% salt in the pond permanently but I am skeptical to that. Any experience?
Thanks
Hi,
Some good questions there.
Hydrogen peroxide - It's depends what % your talking about but a 3% or 6% solution can burn and might cause scaring that will never heal or the will never get its colour back in that area. so I wouldn't use it it's too aggressive the Iodine basically just gives the fish a help in recovery rather than aggressively killing the issue and leaving the fish to heal it lets the fish get better more naturally.
I don't mind salt baths depending on what you want to achieve by doing it a bath wouldn't have helped this fish but it might have if it was showing signs of an internal bacterial infection. although 3% for 30mins might have them close to death or probably on their side.
I do salt ponds and 0.3% is my recommendation but only if it's necessary such as it could be a good idea if your having bacterial issues or after a treatment for parasites to help the fish recover but a permanent salt level is not only pointless its anti productive if you have an issue with parasites and there is salt in the water it really limits your treatment options. The benefit of salt is the shock as it can kill a lot of parasites but you can also get some of those parasites in marine tanks so its the shock of the quick change in salt that kills them if there is always salt there they will get used to it.
@@AdamJulyan excellent points. Thanks. I'll procure som Iodine first thing! All the best
Great video. I did something very similar to one of mine this morning. When I put the fish back in the water you could see the anti bac on its skin for a few hours, after w few hours it had gone, is this normal? Thanks.
Get well fishy 🐠
Hi Adam, what is the powder you use. Whats your thoughts on propolis as i find it just makes such a mess
How often can you sedate fish to treat ulcer? Can we do this several days in a row to put iodine & coating powder on ulcer?
Great video pal very informative.
Like the Gill tip.
Think wearing gloves is a must when touching open wounds.
Here’s to the next video👍
Thanks,
Yeah I've known a few people catch things off koi.
No messin about Adam, antibac bottle doesn't work, get it poured on ! 😂 overall a good job, fancy doing my car ???
are you sure ill just end up pouring paint over your car 😂
@@AdamJulyan I suppose it depends on whether or not the spray gun works 😂
What was the stuff you use to put her to sleep
i have a similar size pond with 20 koi. question.....how do you catch your koi?
What is the powder you used to close the wound?
What about in outdoor ponds in the winter- at what water temperature could this be hazardous?
I wouldn't do it when the pond temp is below 12DegC mostly because the fish wont have much of an immune system to help with recovery anyway and make sure the air temp isn't much different from water temp you don't want to bring a 12DegC fish out into frosty weather.
May i ask what stuff did you use
Would you use propolis as a seal for the iodine or would you only use what you used and just let it dry?
Yeah I have used Propolis before and it did the trick I have also used it on friendly koi when you don't want to sedate them just put a bit of Propolis on them while in pond and that has worked as well, It's good stuff.
Hi Adam great video still learning myself when treating my kio can I ask what make of powder you use to dry wound not sure which is best and some kio keepers I see on u-tube use rocal wound cleaner then use anti -bac after what are your thoughts thanks
It wasn't what i used in this video but a very similar product is Kusuri Orahesive Sealer Powder I just like the powder versions I like the way they stick to the fish after. I also use bee wax that works well.
Rocal wound cleaner - It's good a doing what it says on the tin but i think it's a bit harsh i want the koi to naturally heal and fight off the bacteria the Iodine will help do that but the Rocal will just kill everything.
Can I use betnadine
What is that poweder coating called?
just another 1 regarding the sedate do you use the 10ml to 2gall ratio ??
TBH i just put a few cap fulls and guess it if they don't fall asleep ill add a little more if they fall asleep straight away i take them out quick. It does ay on the bottle how much to use and that's the correct amount but i have no idea how much water was in the bowl.
Just from memory, I think it's 10ml for every 9 litres.
I dont know how to pm you lol. One of my small koi died the other day it had like a hole in its side. Now another small one has the same a hole .... with like red around it looks like its rotting. Also another small koi has a fat head skinny body . The others are all fine or appear to be. Any advice m8?
Its like veiny aswell comming out like rays from the hole
How long can the fish be out of the water for like that? With a wet towel around her?
30 mins comfortably but Ive had one out for 1hour 10mins before to remove a tumor and the fish was fine when i put her back and was eating 20mins after.
@@AdamJulyan But how long does the anaesthetic last before they start moving again?
@@KoiRun50 The anesthetic does not leave their system until you put them back in fresh water again so they wont wake up until you put then back in the fresh water.
@@AdamJulyan Thanks makes sense!
Sadly, 2 of my large koi leapt out of my raised pond unbenknowst to me onto the patio at night, kept hearing a flapping noise, couldn't see anything, it was dark, next day about 9 hours later found him motionless, shredded tail & dry to the touch, my instinct was to pour pond water over him & loosen him from patio, then keep swaying him back & forth in the pond... after an hour he was swimming, after 4 mnths his tail/scales had totally healed. Exctly same with the 2nd nighttime jumper😁
What upset me was hiring a professional who said one of my koi was dead so he put it in an empty bucket, many,many hours later when I dared to look at
Hi adam plsss give me a baby kohaku it's my long dream HAHAHA lol just kidding. BTW your fish is cool and nice
I’m relatively a beginning koi keeper,I’ll be honest I’m terrified of doing anything like this, has anyone gone through that? 🤢
Yeah when i first started it was so surprising you could even keep them out of the water for so long. I had no idea what to do with the fish but it's just like treating a wound on yourself when you go to A&E they will use Iodine and then seal the wound the only extra step is the sedate which is scary at first but when you know how the fish will react its really easy.
@@AdamJulyan I really appreciate your time replying, I agree, the sedate freaked me out lol! I went to look in on my fish once, the biggest one wasn’t there 😳, he had decided to have a look around OUT of tank, there he was on the floor not moving, as I walked closer , he started flapping around ( freaked me the hell out) took me around ten mins of complete panic chasing him round the fish room, no idea how long he’d been out of the water, popped him back in, your video has given me a little more confidence in handling them, Thankyou 👍🏾
Gad - Absolutely mate. It's normal.
Just wait till you have to inject antibiotics.
Just get everything you might possibly need around you before you begin. Plan out exactly what you are going to do in order. Then work swiftly but don't hurry and don't panic.
@@themanfromvolantis lol! Thankyou for the re-assurance, ( I’m still kacking it 😱) I’ll be watching the video many times to ease my anxiety lol! Inject antibiotics? Are you kidding? 🤢 oh, no, I hope I need to do that lol ! Might have to call my mum to do that lol yuk! Lol 👍🏾
@@AdamJulyan Funny you should say that Adam. I managed to cut off part of my thumb. The bit round the knuckle was hanging off like a toilet seat. The dressing the nurse put on lasted about ab hour before loosening and unravelling. With nothing else available, I used my koi kit to dress the wound. Yes, the roccal stung so badly. As did the Iodine. I sealed it with some propolis which turns waxy upon contact with water.
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Great watch Adam I usually just give mine a swift uppercut to knock them out works a treat. (joke people)