100% agree on business class, what a disaster! The old business class was the best seat in Europe and overall these new seats are all boxed in and resemble a school bus. How in the world would the best rail company in Europe come up with this horrible design on their flagship train! This is a huge mistake in my opinion
@@NonstopEurotrip Hi , i have traveled alot of OBB old railjet alooot ...,and i loved it alot too. Now, the new railjets do have a different approach when it comes to design ,baare in mind that OBB always look to improve -uninprove - even so -you said -if it aint broke ,dont mess with it , right - but i like it ,the new railjet ,its just different ,the old was good too , it just takes some time to get used to this new design ,thats all. Did you know that OBB has taken over basiclly all night trains (different places in europe , i heard) and they actually manange to keep it running, pretty good huh? You can do a google seach and see what you find out about it , i just heard it. In the end of the line - i love all OBB trains and wagons , passenger and cargo , i love austria and deuchland - DB and all of that aswell , even though they arent as productive as OBB apparently...i heard too -(inside infomation) Good luck in the future with OBB
Travelled recently with these in 2nd class on the nearly 7h journey from Bologna to Munich. While the seats were rather hard, the padding was enough and the recline also decent enough to make the journey quite comfortable. What I liked the most was the high level of privacy of the seats and the large tables. The ambience was rather nice too, with nice warm colours throughout. I have not been on the older Railjets, but I honestly don't mind these at all. Gendered toilets are a rather weird choice and I wished the headrest and seat was not too hard, but bearable enough even for a longer journey.
We're in a transition towards level boarding currently. This is an imperfect solution having so many steps internally but necessary with the Siemens design approach, retaining conventional bogies with high floor sections over them at the vehicle ends and providing a low floor 'well' section in the middle containing the external doors. By contrast, the new ICE-L design in Germany will have a fully level floor internally at the same height as German platforms (majority 760mm). The trains are from Talgo and their unique running gear design allows the intercar passageway to pass between the tops of the wheels and remain completely level throughout the length of the train. The ride quality of Talgos with fewer wheels tends to be poor relative to a traditional bogie arrangement however. While the main driver for level boarding is disabled accessibility, other operational benefits are easier, faster, more confident boarding for all and fewer minor trip and fall incidents that can cause delay.
Thank you for a very informative video. I love the old Railjet trains. The only problem with them is the steep steps at all DOORS. On these new trains MOST of the doors are level boarding, but there is now only one door per carrriage. So stop dwell times (now a big problem in Austria because of the huge increase in long-distance passengers caused by 1095 Euros-a-year Klima Ticket) are going to be very long. The paper rubbish bags idea seems to have been (half) borrowed from Scandinavia. However, in Scandinavia, each seat bay usually has a large supply of bags. The passengers put their rubbish in a bag and then LEAVE THE BAGS IN THE BINS BY THE DOORWAYS.
Yeah as a Scandinavian I also prefer this solution. Having a tiny dirty trash bin next to you the whole ride, which likely smells of filth and rot the whole time is not very attractive, not to mention very unsanitary. Though the bags aren't my cup of tea either and DSB have now discontinued the plastic bags too. Even when they were in place, I still usually got out of my seat and walked to the nearest set of trash bins at the doors for throwing out anything like a doggy bag of food.
I can understand the critic in all but one point. The steps are just a necessary tradeoff. Yes you could pretend the old railjet was technically accessible via lifts but this "solution" is less than a good one for people requiring it. Someone always has to operate it and it takes time and personnel to do so and the lifts were even often broken. The goal is that people with disabilities can use public transport without help and the old mesures did not provide this. If the lift could be used by the person autonomously this would be at least a slightly different case. This way however its better for the train to be low floor and that means either steps like here or ramps like Stadler uses. The rest of the critic I find verry understandable. Businessclass is useless now and compartment I did never really find usefull in general. Shrinking the dining car to next to nothing is definitely a big step back as well although I understand why they did it, ÖBB is literally being overrun by passengers as of late, because the government introduced new cheap season tickets, so they are under a lot of pressure to squeeze as much seeting into the allready ordered trainsets as they can. I still think the new railjet, although modern, feels like a downgrade to safe money and ressources.
@@jgcondron The standard height in Germany is quite high, 76 cms. The modern stations in both Austria and Switzerland are 55 cms. One of the reasons for the success of the Swiss train manufacturer Stadler is that it builds trains with wide doors allowing fast level boarding from 55 cm platforms. Austrian Railways (OBB) has just placed a large order for Stadler double-deck trains, desperately needed because of the increase in traffic caused by the 1095 Euros a year Klima ticket. The lower deck of individual carriages is fully accessible.
Fully level boarding benefits all travellers and the operator with quicker boarding and fewer trip and fall incidents that can cause delays. Just wheel luggage, baby buggies, cycles straight on and off. Less heavy lifting of luggage and people struggling with steps.
if you think this is bad get ready for the 3rd generation which will be the Stadler KISS, btw with no cafeteria only machines, in theory because it will be used in shorter routes with high demand. at the end of the day in the new open market paradign operators must compete and if westbahn is able to lower prices by adding density obb must to, because at the end of the day regardless of what they say people only want cheap travel. it is like with airplanes where everyon is indignant about ryanair yet theyre still number one in passangers
The business class and the restaurant are the only reasons why I currently choose the train when I travel from Bregenz to Vienna. If that doesn't happen, I change planes. It's about the same price but doesn't take half as long.
Well I had ppl standing in my face in the old Business Class carriage after another train was cancelled, presumably I would have avoided this on the new Railjet
@@NonstopEurotrip You also aren't in a wheelchair though, so maybe our opinion doesn't really matter that much here. Though to be honest, I don't think I mind steps on the train that much - how often do you really walk around the train if you're not making a video of it?
@@SilentdragonDe fair point, and of course all passengers matter. That why I cover accessibility as much as I do. This isn't just about wheelchair users tho, people with reduced mobility would struggle to move through the train now, whereas before they could. And I'm not just talking about boarding. Going to the dining car, toilets, etc
@Nonstop Eurotrip the 1216 locomotive number 1216 025/E 190 025 is a world record locomotive due to that it reached during trials a top speed of 357 km/h(222 mph) on the highspeed line near Nürnberg on 2 September 2006 before it was delivered to the ÖBB
departing station may indeed be not as aesthetically pleasing but i would commend one aspect of it upon entry: the abundabce of natural light flooding the interior! but would also have to agree with you on the less desirable elements of this new train set, particularly the less accessible layout, claustrophobic seating and the time-warp induced gendered loos (what year are we??) look forward to your ICE marathon ; )
The new ÖBB business class is actually even worse. The foldable tables in bussiness class are so wobbly that it's pretty much impossible to work on them with a laptop.
Person who cannot do steps: "How do I get to the vending machines now?" OBB: "Simply ask your travel companion to get something for you." "No Wolfgang. Me being unable to do steps does not mean I travel with someone, or that I want people to do things for me."
Good luck with your plans to travel to 10 German cities within 24 hours. With the observed average delay of the ICE's during the last few days you can be happy if you achieve 5 or 7 cities. 😊
A suggestion for you - I was at Bratislava Hlavna Stanica a few days ago and I noticed a railjet train heading for Zurich along side our train. That looks like an interesting Journey! Great video by the way.
I came to Innsbruck one day using the Nightjet service from Graz to Zürich! I arrived very early at the station and took a nap because I was in a full sitting compartment, so I hadn't slept much... I feel a bit frustrated that I couldn't see the incredible views from the train as it was still dark
Being an Australian, when I travel to Europe I have a larger (heavy) suitcase, as we normally holiday for 2 to 4 weeks at a time. I hate the entry of trains up many steep steps. So I much prefer the level boarding. Steps inside are easier when you don’t have a suitcase. Also I love looking at the outside views, and think the headrest sides on the seat would obstruct that view?
With a First Class Eurail pass, I remember I can travel in Railjet's Business Class free of charge on sections outside Austria, I took advantage of this perk when I last visited Germany and old Railjet's BC was so good! Quite, private and comfortable. Sad to see it go. With the new RJ's BC I wouldn't bother to walk down to BC even if there's no additional charges.
I took this train from Munich to Verona a couple of weeks ago and was actually very impressed with it. So I would somewhat disagree that it's not great, because I think it really is. Certainly one of the best train services I've been onto, and I've been to most of the best train services in Europe and Asia. One thing that I was especially impressed with on this train was the food and reasonable prices, for a train at least. While I do agree with issues like steps in the interior of the train and gendered toilets (that one IS weird, I agree), those aren't really a big deal. The reality is that hardly any trains in Europe offer real step-free accessibility. From what I know, more or less the only country in the world that has that in all stations on its new HSR system, thanks to standardized ~1.1m high platforms. Also, perhaps Japan and Taiwan? Therefore pointing out steps inside the train as a limiting factor for accessibility in this, or any other European train, in my view, isn't completely fair in that regard. One thing that I really agree with and what really surprised me in a negative way was the rather poor seat ergonomics in 1st class. Seats are HUGE, well padded, legroom is massive, materials are very high quality and everything would be great, except the fact that those seats aren't designed with ergonomics in mind and after a longer journey my back started hurting a little bit, which was really something I did not expect! I really wonder what were the designers of those seats thinking? Did they just believe that ergonomics don't matter? As for Business class, I was also surprised, because I actually wanted to book it and couldn't find the Single seat in the seat map. Took me some time to realise that they were not available on the new trains. Still, all in all, I think this is a great train and it is "that good" since it is, after all, one of the best trains in Europe, only coming second or third after the likes of Frecciarossa Executive or Italo Salotto class which are rather extreme and perhaps even unnecessarily luxurious as far as train classes in Europe go.
I’ve done all the way from Munich to Bologna and I ve been disappointed about the short space between the seats, in first class. I really asked myself why I’ve I chosen the first class when I don’t get the space for my 1,90 m body. Next time I’ll leave the train at the first possible stop in Italy to change to a frecciarossa service. It’s much better and more comfortable.
I shall be taking exactly this train tomorrow (in the opposite direction), so thanks for the tour. I have travelled business class in the old Railjet and found it extremely underwhelming - I even gave up on it, and reseated myself into the first class. I find the first class on the Railjet not nearly so comfortable as in an ICE. The seats are hard and boxy (not the case on an ICE) and the whole gives the impression of having been designed primarily for ease of cleaning. I dislike the plastic seat covering (the second class moquette is pleasanter) and the predominance of hard plastic surfaces. Compared with the excellent TGV first class (that's how to do it), the Railjet gives the impression of our old German "Silberlinge", the so-called "n-Wagen" or "Holzklasse" of the 1960's.
@@NonstopEurotrip It was the EC to Venice, which I stayed in until Innsbruck. The stock was the pre-Railjet Austrian IC-stock. I was in a 1st Class compartment which was very quiet, had softly sprung leather upholstery, good airconditioning and lots of space (four seats in the compartment). I can't tell you how much better this feels than a Railjet. My onward journey from Innsbruck took me by Railjet Mk. 1 to Buchs SG: There I lost my connection because the Railjet (RJX 162) was 25 minutes down. The 1st Class non-compartment carriage was very full, pretty uncomfortable in a Ryanair sort of way, and cramped. I ordered a meal to my seat, which was very good and recommendable (Faschierte Laibchen with a glass of Zweigelt). Conclusion: ÖBB, give us the IC carriages back!
How did you like the fact that once you pass the border to Germany the carriages do not have floor level access? I noticed that at a new train arriving in Munich main station. Billions in Euros for new trains in Germany and Austria but no aligned height of the platforms.
The ÖBB used the replace old stuff with new worse stuff a lot. Just look at the Wiener Schnellbahn... every day at least 5 broken doors in the new trains. They are just unreliable as hell and have less standing capacity as well as beeing horribly ventilated because of the AC.
I prefer the new seats! These provide more privacy and are equally comfortable. Do prefer the old Business configuration though, however I am surprised about all the negative comments about the new style. I always seem to be the only pax in that category anyway and kept wondering when OEBB will give up this seemingly “unwanted” product. Ultimately, the decision will be a commercia, rather than an emotional one! Great work OEBB! One Love
I agree with the problems with the layout. Personally I'd have only done 2 or at most 3 low-floor cars, so there would be less stairs throughout the train. Especially putting the dining car in a low floor section is completely pointless, as it's not reachable from the rest of the train without climbing stairs anyways. Also putting the bicycle/ski space upstairs (and around a tight corner from the entrance) is just weird (here I would have designed a proper luggage compartment in place of the accessible toilet, basically using the same wall parts). I also expect that the lack of waste bins will backfire, especially as these trainsets are intended for long distance routes and the staff is most certainly not going to remove full waste bags during the journey and/or stock up at the final destination (if they even have stock there, which I also highly doubt). So passengers will probably put them on the floor where some will inevitably spill their contents at the first tight curve. Granted the tiny "waste drawers" in the old generation Railjets are becoming increasingly gross (because they are quite cumbersome and labor-intensive to clean), but adding proper, easily accessible (and therefore easily maintainable) bins at least every couple of rows (eg. between the seatbacks of two 4-seat bays and/or integrated in the luggage racks) would have solved that elegantly.
A compartment (as long as you have it to yourself) is great for quietness and privacy, but I'm not sure whether that's worth €15 extra. That awkward arrangement with the internal steps is rather like the ICNG in the Netherlands which reviewers seem to rave about, only there you also have the additional fun of lots of internal doors to fight your way through as well
Totally agree with u! I’d also add that a lot of people can’t stand the inshell “recline”, and even Cathay Pacific had to get rid of them after all the complaints. I honestly dunno what were ÖBB n Siemens thinking with these “premium” cabins. Did I see an EVA sticker?? 😍😍 go Taiwan!!!
it does seem odd that if accessibility was the end goal....why the stairs ???? and the seats look kinda thin and firm...otherwise it seems on the surface... minor quibbles...and i question your assessment about the paper trash bags being environmentally unfriendly ....as the bins often are lined with plastic bags...
@@NonstopEurotrip I find bags the cleaner and possible also cheaper option as no cleaning of hundreds of bins is required day after day. I assume that the environmental impact of paper bags is small compared to manufacturing bins and for using detergents etc. The Nordics have been using bags instead of bins for ages.
It's a case of choose your pain, you'll either have level boarding with a lot of steps inside the train (has to be done due to the boggies of the train), or you won't have level boarding which means a lift is always required to get wheelchairs on and off the train, but you won't have steps inside. I honestly don't know which is better or worse, and I'm an ambulatory wheelchair user... As for the gendered toilets, I personally appreciate it, especially if people adhere to it and don't use the "wrong" one out of convenience. Men do have a tendency to spray like a punctured garden hose when they stand up to pee, and many men insist on standing to pee even in a public restroom, even on a moving train. As a woman, I prefer the restroom to not have pools of piss on the toilet seat and floor, and having piss all over the place is less likely to happen in the ladies restroom than in a non gendered restroom. If people would just sit down to pee, and actually leave the restroom in the same condition as they'd like to see it themselves when taking a call from nature, I wouldn't have any issues with non gendered restrooms anywhere. But as it is, I do not generally like public restrooms that aren't gender divided. The seats on this train look absolutely awful, I've seen pews in old churches with better ergonomics... My butt and spine was crying in agony as I was watching the video from the comfort of my own bed with a heating pad under my lower back. The seats could have been good had they only been less boxy and actually had some positioning support for the passengers. The business class compartment looked like a scam with that little leg space! The only reason anyone should ever use Business class on this train would be if 2 people are traveling together and have a whole compartment to themselves to have a more private space so they can discuss business stuff or whatever in private, without disturbing other passengers around them.
I agree. Shame they couldn't have made the interior as accessible as the exterior. Moving around the train in the move was hard enough for me, let alone people who are less mobile, and impossible for wheelchair users
Unlike the other reviewers you made a honest report: the train is actually a downgrade from previous version and it's starting to look like a regional train (just like the new double-decker Intercity in Germany). One low floor car per set would be quite enough. Business class is a joke and even the seats in 1st class became somehow bench-like. It looks like the whole layout is being ryanaired. I'd suspect that they are silently planning to introduce a more stylish and comfortable train in the future, introducing a new brand like "Super Rail Jet" to charge more for it. Just my 2 cents. And I agree 100% with "why fix if it ain't broken".
The most comfortable train seats I've ever experienced were the old bench style seats, so if they are anywhere near that good I don't mind it. I have my doubts though, sadly.
In 2008 the first Railjets (Siemens Viaggio Taurus) arrived on the market, the next generation should essentially follow the same path and be based on the Nightjet 2 (Siemens Viaggio 2 Vectron?). But the Austrian Federal Railways ÖBB seems to be heading towards the same solution as the WestBahn with these KISS 3. for 2026. However, for the Easter holidays 2024, the first Railjet 2 units have arrived. The next generation Railjet was developed and built by Siemens Mobility Vienna and is based on the same platform used by the new Nightjet trains. ÖBB had initially ordered eight trains, but has now ordered an additional 19, for a total of 27 Next Generation Railjets without bringing in my opinion any real improvement in comfort, especially in business class for equipment that has been planned for the future Brenner tunnel of nearly 60 km... What about the 50 ÖBB 1216 TAURUS 3 locomotives manufactured in Munich which is a request of the ÖBB on the basis of the ES64F4 locomotive? Compatibility problems with the new pilot cars of the new Railjet and Nightjet designed to work with Vectron!!
Not too bothered about business class, never used it anyway. I honestly despised the second class seating in the old railjet, the fact that these come with a recline function is already an upgrade to me. Also, I ran into the pointy armrests of the first railjet multiple times and it is very painful.
The new Railjet is also capable of 230 km/h. About the wifi, it can be pretty good. But doing a speedtest while crossing the border is kinda rigged. As soon as all ECs are replaced with RJ2s on the Munich - Innsbruck (-Italy) routes, RJ2s are planned to be used on the Südbahn routes (Wien - Graz, Wien - Villach)
I personally have not taken this train yet, so I can't say much but I think the low floor entrances without stairs are extremely important for better accessibility and passenger flow. Boarding is just so much faster on low floor trains. Also keep in mind that these trains were originally designed for the slower Wien-Salzburg RJ which will run with KISS 200 units from 2026 instead. The reason they are now used on the Brenner route is the lack of other suitable rolling stock (Italy's regulations about fire safety will become stricter soon, although unnecessarily so) and that single deck trains would not be able to cope with the sheer amout of passengers on Wien-Salzburg. This is (I assume) also the reason for the weird business class since the double deck RJ will feature no business class at all.
Level bording will be essential in the future. With the ICE-L and the ICE5 being the next new trains which will implement this feature ;-) Therefore the RailJet 2 is very future prove. Imagine you are a wheelchair user ~ in the past it was very complicated with a lift on a door to excess the train with the help of staff. Also for luggage and strollers entry is now way more easy. Other than the ICE-L ~ which will have no steps ~ when walking through the carriages it is really a bummer that their are so many steps. Furthermore some areas are really narrow 😕
@@NonstopEurotrip Ultimately it's impossible to have a low-level floor over the bogies, so if you want to have level boarding, then there MUST be internal steps. Talgo circumvents this by simply not using bogies at all, but every train with conventional bogies will have this issue. Step-free entry is way more important than step-free walkthrough, so I do think that this is an improvement for mobility and accessibility. I haven't tried these trains myself, but it seems that the biggest passenger issue is that the first class and business class seats have gotten worse. I always travel second class, so for my purposes this train seems to be about equal to the original, except for the trash bin issue!
While Business class certainly is a disaster, I like the new First class seats more that the old ones - the old ones, although wide, are quite hard, and I therefore don't find them comfortable
Thanks for the great review! First class seems just about all right. Second doesn’t look inviting with those flimsy wooden armrests, and the pointless business upgrade is a ripoff. As we say in Germany: “Verschlimmbesserung”! (improvement for the worse 😂).
Hi there! Halfway through the video, seeing the seats - no no for me. Looks hard, and the "Quiet Zone" sign is a put-off. Refurbishments won't happen anytime soon though.
@@NonstopEurotrip Also the original Railjet looks much better with Taurus front, The Vectron design isnt bad at all but isnt as stylish and smooth as good ol Taurus or OBB 1216 is.
"Not that good" because of a few minor things. Yes, you ARE being overly critical. The main goal was to make it more accessible, and to have more capacity. Big doors and level entry also make it easier and faster to enter and leave the train, resulting in better punctuality.
@@NonstopEurotrip No, not at all! Of course, I wouldn't choose the Business Class for an extra fee. However, this price category is generally underutilized. This was also the case with the older ÖBB first-class cars (Amz), some of which are still in service with RegioJet or other railway companies, and are highly commended for their comfort.
Well, at least it´s now wheelchair accessible. That the ÖBB really bought in 2008 a train thats not accesible is a scandalous and sad, at least they corrcted this mistake. But it still will take years till all old trains are replaced.
13:11 Am I missing something? Passengers get a table if they can transfer to a seat, but they don't have a table if they remain in their wheelchair? I see only one table here.
This train is worse than its predecessor. But it is far from the downgrade that the SBB Girunos are. The old trains ICN or Astoro EMU‘s are far better compared to the Giruno. It started of with the marketing bs from Stadler that it is the first low floor high speed train in reality only two doors offer level boarding and Talgo made low floor high speed trains since the 1990‘s. The seats on the Giruno are extremely uncomfortable and the passenger information never works. The toilet situation on the Giruno is even worse than on the new railjet not only are the toilets sometimes two cars down the train but the design is one of the worst on trains I have ever seen. The toilets are gender specific and not even there are more women toilets than men. The door to the toilet only moves if you have your hand on the handle and there is a button next to the door that says door open the only thing this button does is to make a loud noise. And don’t forget most of the time half the toilets are broken.
@@NonstopEurotrip the legroom is actually a problem with the seat itself some of the seats of the astoro have broken reclining they are always reclined giving bad legroom. On the other hand the Giruno has 8-20% less seats than the previous trains with the Giruno actually being longer. The Girunos are already most of the time overloaded SBB has to run 2 Trains a day with the FV Dosto a train that is too high and can only run on one of the two tracks blocking other trains. The ride quality of the Giruno is fine as long as it is going below 200kmh above the ride quality is extremely poor with the train shaking from side to side.
And yeah, the new “bussiness class” is just like “first+ class” in a compartment and not every solo travellers will all like this for paying an additional 15euro
Hey, as someone from Innsbruck i can definitely reccomend visiting, especially if you like Nature and Mountain Sports, but the city itself also has a lot to offer!
I would not focus so much on the business and first classes - rather the second one where "the regular humans" travel and have to suffer most often. E.g. the seats in 2nd class in your video look much more stern and narrow than on the old railjets - which is another bad point. The old railjet trains were far from perfect as such ... - try traveling for 8 hours on an even half-empty train - and try to find different positions to sit - quite problematic, especially when you want to rest against the train wall or window - toilets look great on a new set, but I now see regularly just a decade-old railjets, where all the toilets are broken and closed, front-to-end of the whole train set! (Some inherent design issue?) Missing soaps, toilet papers ... as if this was a Balkan or Eastern European service. - the old railjets have chronically bad electricity sockets - after a few years of service, the plugs just don't hold in them and fall out. The only good design feature was that they were in between the seats - something so many wagon producers can't get decent. - omnipresent foot rests, which I used to adore, disappeared from the old railjets at certain moment. How soon will it be the case with these ones? Or is it now just the business class feat? - how is the train information system? I remember they were quite buggy recently - did OEBB work on this feet? + a good point in railjets was that the overhead luggage storage could hold quite a huge mountaineering luggage (with so many other companies' wagons misdesigned as pointlessly small). How does the new railjet rate in this regard? + old railjets had quite huge luggage storage spaces at the end and particularly in the middle of the wagon. How is it in this one? I don't care about the high-tech locking mechanism for the business class, really. :D Decent luggage space makes the travel on notoriously overcrowded trans-Austrian routes a bit more pleasant. - the Austrian and German old intercity wagons had a chronic problem with almost no mobile signal reception inside, Railjets used to be just a tiny bit better. I wonder how good/bad are these ones really. - the food in OEBB diners (DoN company) is notoriously basic, but significantly overpriced - even for the on-board category. What's the least comprehensible for me, why OEBB purchases new train sets of such a dubious quality, if they have one of the most aggressive price policies in Europe (that does not match the provided service or the improvements). The wondrous cheap tickets are actually rarely available, if you don't plan your super-short trip (that could be covered by regional services indeed) half a year ahead. Shortly before the departure date, the OEBB tickets go over the roof, even beyond the "market price". It's more a matter of "just because they can". They have been already heavily criticized for this. One can buy the tickets for the same international route, for the same train, from other rail companies (DB in this case, but could be also CD, ZSSK and others) for half or even thrid of the OEBB price. OEBB policy seems to be a form of robbery - but the resulting service does not correspond to it. Let's not go into the topic of their regular extensive delays ;)
My wife was adamant that gendered toilets are *not* pointless. She reports that many men have poor aim - which means that far too often she finds urine not only on the floor but splashed onto the seat, which she has to clean up before using the toilet. Hardly a pleasant experience!
@@NonstopEurotrip I was just on the night jet with my friend and the “men’s” was broken but he was so worried about using the women’s that he waited hours until we got off in Hamburg
I expect the 🚻 are 🚹 or 🚺 in an endeavour to cut down on the perennial complaints about splashing 🚿 and/or lifting or not lifting the seat. But what about the non-binary?! This is blatant segregation! 😂
I am agree wi5h you 5he buisness Glas on the x2ndxRJ Generation is a absoluty downgrade in 5he oposite of the BC of 5he 1st RJ Generation. I 5hink 5h3 best train in Europe at the Moment isthe trainitalia freccarossa Exekution clans in the freccarossa 1000 series
The very bulky seats where a design requirement because this route from Italy to Germany attracts many illegal immigrants and pick pockets. There were multiple instances of someone grabbing stuff from the seat row behind between the two discrete seats. The locks for luggage are for the same reason. It’s a shame really. Nowadays people can’t feel safe to leave their stuff for the dining car anymore. I totally agree btw that this 90% low floor idea was idiotic. They should have done two cars low floor. A bike, children, and handicapped car for 1st and second class respectively. With ramps. The rest high. Would’ve made much more sense. Plus at no extra cost. They had to develop a new generation of high floor middle car anyways for the one that’s next to the hauling locomotive. I had that discussion with the planning bureau of Siemens Mobility in Graz when I applied for a job there. The director agreed but hinted that the ÖBB customer insisted on the now existing solution.
You are being far too dismissive about the new business class seating. I think if you were a businessman having a private compartment would be a lot more desirable, for the simple reason that a business folks now have the ability to conduct business in a more private manner, which is not something you get from an open carriage. Likewise you criticism of the new first class seating, in respect to the extended headrests is off base. The extended headrests provide a lot more privacy for the person sitting in those seats. However, I agree with you that the gendered toilets makes no sense. I feel this will change when passengers complain about having to needlessly wait for the gendered toilet to become available.
In Italo, there is always the option to book the whole compartment. It cost +- as 3 tickets bought separately. You can also book it for a single person
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100% agree on business class, what a disaster! The old business class was the best seat in Europe and overall these new seats are all boxed in and resemble a school bus. How in the world would the best rail company in Europe come up with this horrible design on their flagship train! This is a huge mistake in my opinion
100% agree 💯😂
second best seat in Europe after Freciarossa executive, but otherwise i agree.
Best rail company?
@@mancubwwa no SJ:s seats are the best, especially the seats on the X2000.
@@NonstopEurotrip Hi , i have traveled alot of OBB old railjet alooot ...,and i loved it alot too.
Now, the new railjets do have a different approach when it comes to design ,baare in mind that OBB always look to improve -uninprove - even so -you said -if it aint broke ,dont mess with it , right - but i like it ,the new railjet ,its just different ,the old was good too , it just takes some time to get used to this new design ,thats all.
Did you know that OBB has taken over basiclly all night trains (different places in europe , i heard) and they actually manange to keep it running, pretty good huh?
You can do a google seach and see what you find out about it , i just heard it.
In the end of the line - i love all OBB trains and wagons , passenger and cargo , i love austria and deuchland - DB and all of that aswell , even though they arent as productive as OBB apparently...i heard too -(inside infomation)
Good luck in the future with OBB
Travelled recently with these in 2nd class on the nearly 7h journey from Bologna to Munich. While the seats were rather hard, the padding was enough and the recline also decent enough to make the journey quite comfortable. What I liked the most was the high level of privacy of the seats and the large tables. The ambience was rather nice too, with nice warm colours throughout. I have not been on the older Railjets, but I honestly don't mind these at all. Gendered toilets are a rather weird choice and I wished the headrest and seat was not too hard, but bearable enough even for a longer journey.
If you'd tried the old ones, you see their endlessly better trains, all around
Gendered Toilets make sense if you mount a urinal in the men's room. Otherwise it is really whithout any use.
Ah, it makes sense then. You had no term of comparison
In my opinion the 2nd class seats in the old railjets are some of the worst seats out there.
We're in a transition towards level boarding currently. This is an imperfect solution having so many steps internally but necessary with the Siemens design approach, retaining conventional bogies with high floor sections over them at the vehicle ends and providing a low floor 'well' section in the middle containing the external doors. By contrast, the new ICE-L design in Germany will have a fully level floor internally at the same height as German platforms (majority 760mm). The trains are from Talgo and their unique running gear design allows the intercar passageway to pass between the tops of the wheels and remain completely level throughout the length of the train. The ride quality of Talgos with fewer wheels tends to be poor relative to a traditional bogie arrangement however. While the main driver for level boarding is disabled accessibility, other operational benefits are easier, faster, more confident boarding for all and fewer minor trip and fall incidents that can cause delay.
Most people, especially those with prams or reduced mobility agree with me, unfortunately
Of course the real solution is high platforms but for some reason only Asia sees that
This still wouldn't work for most of Europe, especially not Austria and Italy, which use 550mm platforms.
Thank you for a very informative video. I love the old Railjet trains. The only problem with them is the steep steps at all DOORS. On these new trains MOST of the doors are level boarding, but there is now only one door per carrriage. So stop dwell times (now a big problem in Austria because of the huge increase in long-distance passengers caused by 1095 Euros-a-year Klima Ticket) are going to be very long. The paper rubbish bags idea seems to have been (half) borrowed from Scandinavia. However, in Scandinavia, each seat bay usually has a large supply of bags. The passengers put their rubbish in a bag and then LEAVE THE BAGS IN THE BINS BY THE DOORWAYS.
Fair comments, but the old one is still better 😉
Yeah as a Scandinavian I also prefer this solution. Having a tiny dirty trash bin next to you the whole ride, which likely smells of filth and rot the whole time is not very attractive, not to mention very unsanitary. Though the bags aren't my cup of tea either and DSB have now discontinued the plastic bags too. Even when they were in place, I still usually got out of my seat and walked to the nearest set of trash bins at the doors for throwing out anything like a doggy bag of food.
I can understand the critic in all but one point. The steps are just a necessary tradeoff. Yes you could pretend the old railjet was technically accessible via lifts but this "solution" is less than a good one for people requiring it. Someone always has to operate it and it takes time and personnel to do so and the lifts were even often broken. The goal is that people with disabilities can use public transport without help and the old mesures did not provide this. If the lift could be used by the person autonomously this would be at least a slightly different case. This way however its better for the train to be low floor and that means either steps like here or ramps like Stadler uses. The rest of the critic I find verry understandable. Businessclass is useless now and compartment I did never really find usefull in general. Shrinking the dining car to next to nothing is definitely a big step back as well although I understand why they did it, ÖBB is literally being overrun by passengers as of late, because the government introduced new cheap season tickets, so they are under a lot of pressure to squeeze as much seeting into the allready ordered trainsets as they can. I still think the new railjet, although modern, feels like a downgrade to safe money and ressources.
I agree with you. However, your point about the consequences of the 1095-Euros-a-year Klima Ticket is by far=and-away the most important.
Good points well made 🙏🏻
The platform heights are just too low in Austria, Germany and Italy etc. Very poor historical decision-making.
@@jgcondron The standard height in Germany is quite high, 76 cms. The modern stations in both Austria and Switzerland are 55 cms. One of the reasons for the success of the Swiss train manufacturer Stadler is that it builds trains with wide doors allowing fast level boarding from 55 cm platforms. Austrian Railways (OBB) has just placed a large order for Stadler double-deck trains, desperately needed because of the increase in traffic caused by the 1095 Euros a year Klima ticket. The lower deck of individual carriages is fully accessible.
Fully level boarding benefits all travellers and the operator with quicker boarding and fewer trip and fall incidents that can cause delays. Just wheel luggage, baby buggies, cycles straight on and off. Less heavy lifting of luggage and people struggling with steps.
if you think this is bad get ready for the 3rd generation which will be the Stadler KISS, btw with no cafeteria only machines, in theory because it will be used in shorter routes with high demand. at the end of the day in the new open market paradign operators must compete and if westbahn is able to lower prices by adding density obb must to, because at the end of the day regardless of what they say people only want cheap travel. it is like with airplanes where everyon is indignant about ryanair yet theyre still number one in passangers
Oh I'm not ready for that 😂
Ich fliege grundsätzlich nicht mit Ryanair ,allein schon wegen der unmöglichen Arbeitsbedingungen !!
The business class and the restaurant are the only reasons why I currently choose the train when I travel from Bregenz to Vienna. If that doesn't happen, I change planes. It's about the same price but doesn't take half as long.
I like the single seats in open compartments in old Business Class. New seats "look" stiff and uncomfortable.
I agree, the old business class is excellent! Yeah I don't know what they were thinking tbh Sam 🤔
Well I had ppl standing in my face in the old Business Class carriage after another train was cancelled, presumably I would have avoided this on the new Railjet
I guess so 😂
Idk if its better to have a higher floor with the door steps or having low floor entrance with many inernal steps
I think what they had before worked just fine!
@@NonstopEurotrip You also aren't in a wheelchair though, so maybe our opinion doesn't really matter that much here. Though to be honest, I don't think I mind steps on the train that much - how often do you really walk around the train if you're not making a video of it?
@@SilentdragonDe fair point, and of course all passengers matter. That why I cover accessibility as much as I do. This isn't just about wheelchair users tho, people with reduced mobility would struggle to move through the train now, whereas before they could. And I'm not just talking about boarding. Going to the dining car, toilets, etc
@@SilentdragonDe There is no minibar service because of the internal steps compared to the old RJ.
@Nonstop Eurotrip the 1216 locomotive number 1216 025/E 190 025 is a world record locomotive due to that it reached during trials a top speed of 357 km/h(222 mph) on the highspeed line near Nürnberg on 2 September 2006 before it was delivered to the ÖBB
If you watched the video, you'd have seen that I mentioned that near the start.
@@NonstopEurotrip oh sorry 😅
Thank you, a very good description of the train and also the stations and the route. The description of the RJ is very convincing.
Thank you very much!
departing station may indeed be not as aesthetically pleasing but i would commend one aspect of it upon entry: the abundabce of natural light flooding the interior! but would also have to agree with you on the less desirable elements of this new train set, particularly the less accessible layout, claustrophobic seating and the time-warp induced gendered loos (what year are we??) look forward to your ICE marathon ; )
For me, this New RJ is a kind of "failed construction"! F.e. the "dining car" is again a downgrade, and the "Business Class" is just a joke!
Exactly this ☝🏻
The new ÖBB business class is actually even worse. The foldable tables in bussiness class are so wobbly that it's pretty much impossible to work on them with a laptop.
Yep!! Better off at a first class table seat
I agree the new business class don t have individual seats!!!etc nice video btw 😁
Thanks very much 👍🏻
The rail jet had a glow down
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Person who cannot do steps: "How do I get to the vending machines now?"
OBB: "Simply ask your travel companion to get something for you."
"No Wolfgang. Me being unable to do steps does not mean I travel with someone, or that I want people to do things for me."
Exactly my point 👍🏻
Good luck with your plans to travel to 10 German cities within 24 hours. With the observed average delay of the ICE's during the last few days you can be happy if you achieve 5 or 7 cities. 😊
Fingers crossed! 🤞🏻🍀
The most beautiful city in Austria no doubt, and I really like the train station it's small and you have all you need
I agree on every point you made! Well done sir!
Thank you kindly!
A suggestion for you - I was at Bratislava Hlavna Stanica a few days ago and I noticed a railjet train heading for Zurich along side our train. That looks like an interesting Journey! Great video by the way.
Yes! If I do it I'll probably do the full Zurich to Budapest trip 🙂
@@NonstopEurotrip The one I mentioned appears to be Bratislava, Vienna, Zurich
I came to Innsbruck one day using the Nightjet service from Graz to Zürich! I arrived very early at the station and took a nap because I was in a full sitting compartment, so I hadn't slept much... I feel a bit frustrated that I couldn't see the incredible views from the train as it was still dark
You'll have to come back 😜
I think that the new Nightjet sets were the main focus of the new design
Exactly, and unfortunately it's failed with the RJs
Being an Australian, when I travel to Europe I have a larger (heavy) suitcase, as we normally holiday for 2 to 4 weeks at a time. I hate the entry of trains up many steep steps. So I much prefer the level boarding. Steps inside are easier when you don’t have a suitcase. Also I love looking at the outside views, and think the headrest sides on the seat would obstruct that view?
Fair point. And her the headrest is intrusive
Great trip. I must say bring back Old Business Class Seat. And that plenty steps.
Oh yes! 😊
With a First Class Eurail pass, I remember I can travel in Railjet's Business Class free of charge on sections outside Austria, I took advantage of this perk when I last visited Germany and old Railjet's BC was so good! Quite, private and comfortable. Sad to see it go. With the new RJ's BC I wouldn't bother to walk down to BC even if there's no additional charges.
Very true
I took this train from Munich to Verona a couple of weeks ago and was actually very impressed with it. So I would somewhat disagree that it's not great, because I think it really is. Certainly one of the best train services I've been onto, and I've been to most of the best train services in Europe and Asia. One thing that I was especially impressed with on this train was the food and reasonable prices, for a train at least. While I do agree with issues like steps in the interior of the train and gendered toilets (that one IS weird, I agree), those aren't really a big deal. The reality is that hardly any trains in Europe offer real step-free accessibility. From what I know, more or less the only country in the world that has that in all stations on its new HSR system, thanks to standardized ~1.1m high platforms. Also, perhaps Japan and Taiwan? Therefore pointing out steps inside the train as a limiting factor for accessibility in this, or any other European train, in my view, isn't completely fair in that regard.
One thing that I really agree with and what really surprised me in a negative way was the rather poor seat ergonomics in 1st class. Seats are HUGE, well padded, legroom is massive, materials are very high quality and everything would be great, except the fact that those seats aren't designed with ergonomics in mind and after a longer journey my back started hurting a little bit, which was really something I did not expect! I really wonder what were the designers of those seats thinking? Did they just believe that ergonomics don't matter?
As for Business class, I was also surprised, because I actually wanted to book it and couldn't find the Single seat in the seat map. Took me some time to realise that they were not available on the new trains.
Still, all in all, I think this is a great train and it is "that good" since it is, after all, one of the best trains in Europe, only coming second or third after the likes of Frecciarossa Executive or Italo Salotto class which are rather extreme and perhaps even unnecessarily luxurious as far as train classes in Europe go.
I guess most of it is subjective 😉
danke für deine tollen videos! du bist der erste video creator bei dem ich mitglied bin 👍
Welcome onboard 🤗❤️
I’ve done all the way from Munich to Bologna and I ve been disappointed about the short space between the seats, in first class. I really asked myself why I’ve I chosen the first class when I don’t get the space for my 1,90 m body. Next time I’ll leave the train at the first possible stop in Italy to change to a frecciarossa service. It’s much better and more comfortable.
I shall be taking exactly this train tomorrow (in the opposite direction), so thanks for the tour. I have travelled business class in the old Railjet and found it extremely underwhelming - I even gave up on it, and reseated myself into the first class. I find the first class on the Railjet not nearly so comfortable as in an ICE. The seats are hard and boxy (not the case on an ICE) and the whole gives the impression of having been designed primarily for ease of cleaning. I dislike the plastic seat covering (the second class moquette is pleasanter) and the predominance of hard plastic surfaces. Compared with the excellent TGV first class (that's how to do it), the Railjet gives the impression of our old German "Silberlinge", the so-called "n-Wagen" or "Holzklasse" of the 1960's.
How did you find it?
@@NonstopEurotrip It was the EC to Venice, which I stayed in until Innsbruck. The stock was the pre-Railjet Austrian IC-stock. I was in a 1st Class compartment which was very quiet, had softly sprung leather upholstery, good airconditioning and lots of space (four seats in the compartment). I can't tell you how much better this feels than a Railjet. My onward journey from Innsbruck took me by Railjet Mk. 1 to Buchs SG: There I lost my connection because the Railjet (RJX 162) was 25 minutes down. The 1st Class non-compartment carriage was very full, pretty uncomfortable in a Ryanair sort of way, and cramped. I ordered a meal to my seat, which was very good and recommendable (Faschierte Laibchen with a glass of Zweigelt). Conclusion: ÖBB, give us the IC carriages back!
So many problems?🤣Rich ppl problems :))
Come to Romania if you want to see problems.
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If I were part of Obb I would make it easy for passengers to give their complaints and order changes to the new trains design
Absolutely!
Best review about the new railjet.
Thank you! 🙏🏻
How did you like the fact that once you pass the border to Germany the carriages do not have floor level access? I noticed that at a new train arriving in Munich main station. Billions in Euros for new trains in Germany and Austria but no aligned height of the platforms.
They do...?
🎤Oh, Babyyy 🎶🎶
About the business class, I get overstimulated quickly for me these compartments are a lifesaver
I was in Innsbruck 14 or 15 years ago and wow. I don't remember that much of the main station
The ÖBB used the replace old stuff with new worse stuff a lot. Just look at the Wiener Schnellbahn... every day at least 5 broken doors in the new trains. They are just unreliable as hell and have less standing capacity as well as beeing horribly ventilated because of the AC.
I prefer the new seats! These provide more privacy and are equally comfortable. Do prefer the old Business configuration though, however I am surprised about all the negative comments about the new style. I always seem to be the only pax in that category anyway and kept wondering when OEBB will give up this seemingly “unwanted” product. Ultimately, the decision will be a commercia, rather than an emotional one! Great work OEBB! One Love
It's 50/50 which design people prefer.
I agree with the problems with the layout. Personally I'd have only done 2 or at most 3 low-floor cars, so there would be less stairs throughout the train. Especially putting the dining car in a low floor section is completely pointless, as it's not reachable from the rest of the train without climbing stairs anyways.
Also putting the bicycle/ski space upstairs (and around a tight corner from the entrance) is just weird (here I would have designed a proper luggage compartment in place of the accessible toilet, basically using the same wall parts).
I also expect that the lack of waste bins will backfire, especially as these trainsets are intended for long distance routes and the staff is most certainly not going to remove full waste bags during the journey and/or stock up at the final destination (if they even have stock there, which I also highly doubt). So passengers will probably put them on the floor where some will inevitably spill their contents at the first tight curve.
Granted the tiny "waste drawers" in the old generation Railjets are becoming increasingly gross (because they are quite cumbersome and labor-intensive to clean), but adding proper, easily accessible (and therefore easily maintainable) bins at least every couple of rows (eg. between the seatbacks of two 4-seat bays and/or integrated in the luggage racks) would have solved that elegantly.
Great points, well made 🙏🏻
A compartment (as long as you have it to yourself) is great for quietness and privacy, but I'm not sure whether that's worth €15 extra. That awkward arrangement with the internal steps is rather like the ICNG in the Netherlands which reviewers seem to rave about, only there you also have the additional fun of lots of internal doors to fight your way through as well
Well, obviously. I had the whole coach to myself anyway 😂
Yes I love this idea why haven't we in Denmark take note this goes for Germany too very nice for kids and they are distracted for a few minutes
Are the headrests as bad as they look? It looks like you need to lean forward to look out of the window
They really are!
The paper bag bins are actually the result of careful environmental considerations. Would you prefer more plastic?
No, I'd prefer proper bins.
Having travelled on the old Railjet, I agree these look like a step backwards.
Exactly this ☝🏻
Totally agree with u! I’d also add that a lot of people can’t stand the inshell “recline”, and even Cathay Pacific had to get rid of them after all the complaints. I honestly dunno what were ÖBB n Siemens thinking with these “premium” cabins. Did I see an EVA sticker?? 😍😍 go Taiwan!!!
I've been to Taiwan 😉
it does seem odd that if accessibility was the end goal....why the stairs ???? and the seats look kinda thin and firm...otherwise it seems on the surface... minor quibbles...and i question your assessment about the paper trash bags being environmentally unfriendly ....as the bins often are lined with plastic bags...
The old bins weren't lined at all and why didn't they just make thing better?
@@NonstopEurotrip I find bags the cleaner and possible also cheaper option as no cleaning of hundreds of bins is required day after day. I assume that the environmental impact of paper bags is small compared to manufacturing bins and for using detergents etc.
The Nordics have been using bags instead of bins for ages.
It's a case of choose your pain, you'll either have level boarding with a lot of steps inside the train (has to be done due to the boggies of the train), or you won't have level boarding which means a lift is always required to get wheelchairs on and off the train, but you won't have steps inside. I honestly don't know which is better or worse, and I'm an ambulatory wheelchair user...
As for the gendered toilets, I personally appreciate it, especially if people adhere to it and don't use the "wrong" one out of convenience. Men do have a tendency to spray like a punctured garden hose when they stand up to pee, and many men insist on standing to pee even in a public restroom, even on a moving train. As a woman, I prefer the restroom to not have pools of piss on the toilet seat and floor, and having piss all over the place is less likely to happen in the ladies restroom than in a non gendered restroom. If people would just sit down to pee, and actually leave the restroom in the same condition as they'd like to see it themselves when taking a call from nature, I wouldn't have any issues with non gendered restrooms anywhere. But as it is, I do not generally like public restrooms that aren't gender divided.
The seats on this train look absolutely awful, I've seen pews in old churches with better ergonomics... My butt and spine was crying in agony as I was watching the video from the comfort of my own bed with a heating pad under my lower back. The seats could have been good had they only been less boxy and actually had some positioning support for the passengers. The business class compartment looked like a scam with that little leg space! The only reason anyone should ever use Business class on this train would be if 2 people are traveling together and have a whole compartment to themselves to have a more private space so they can discuss business stuff or whatever in private, without disturbing other passengers around them.
I agree. Shame they couldn't have made the interior as accessible as the exterior. Moving around the train in the move was hard enough for me, let alone people who are less mobile, and impossible for wheelchair users
Aus meiner Sicht, ist der SMILE von Stadler, aktuell der beste EC Zug in Europa!
I agree!!
Unlike the other reviewers you made a honest report: the train is actually a downgrade from previous version and it's starting to look like a regional train (just like the new double-decker Intercity in Germany). One low floor car per set would be quite enough. Business class is a joke and even the seats in 1st class became somehow bench-like. It looks like the whole layout is being ryanaired. I'd suspect that they are silently planning to introduce a more stylish and comfortable train in the future, introducing a new brand like "Super Rail Jet" to charge more for it. Just my 2 cents. And I agree 100% with "why fix if it ain't broken".
100 per cent agree 💯👍🏻
The most comfortable train seats I've ever experienced were the old bench style seats, so if they are anywhere near that good I don't mind it. I have my doubts though, sadly.
Travelling Business class in October. Vienna to Zurich hopefully old railjet. Good video
You will!
Should consider a Tren Maya or Trans-Isthmus Train from Mexico video in the future.
Coming soon 👀
In 2008 the first Railjets (Siemens Viaggio Taurus) arrived on the market, the next generation should essentially follow the same path and be based on the Nightjet 2 (Siemens Viaggio 2 Vectron?). But the Austrian Federal Railways ÖBB seems to be heading towards the same solution as the WestBahn with these KISS 3. for 2026. However, for the Easter holidays 2024, the first Railjet 2 units have arrived.
The next generation Railjet was developed and built by Siemens Mobility Vienna and is based on the same platform used by the new Nightjet trains. ÖBB
had initially ordered eight trains, but has now ordered an additional 19, for a total of 27 Next Generation Railjets without bringing in my opinion any real improvement in comfort, especially in business class for equipment that has been planned for the future Brenner tunnel of nearly 60 km...
What about the 50 ÖBB 1216 TAURUS 3 locomotives manufactured in Munich which is a request of the ÖBB on the basis of the ES64F4 locomotive? Compatibility problems with the new pilot cars of the new Railjet and Nightjet designed to work with Vectron!!
Exactly, idk they've actually gone backwards in a lot of ways!
The seat backs remind me rather of Corail coaches in France
Not me 😂
Not too bothered about business class, never used it anyway. I honestly despised the second class seating in the old railjet, the fact that these come with a recline function is already an upgrade to me. Also, I ran into the pointy armrests of the first railjet multiple times and it is very painful.
The new Railjet is also capable of 230 km/h. About the wifi, it can be pretty good. But doing a speedtest while crossing the border is kinda rigged.
As soon as all ECs are replaced with RJ2s on the Munich - Innsbruck (-Italy) routes, RJ2s are planned to be used on the Südbahn routes (Wien - Graz, Wien - Villach)
I never said it wasn't
I personally have not taken this train yet, so I can't say much but I think the low floor entrances without stairs are extremely important for better accessibility and passenger flow. Boarding is just so much faster on low floor trains.
Also keep in mind that these trains were originally designed for the slower Wien-Salzburg RJ which will run with KISS 200 units from 2026 instead. The reason they are now used on the Brenner route is the lack of other suitable rolling stock (Italy's regulations about fire safety will become stricter soon, although unnecessarily so) and that single deck trains would not be able to cope with the sheer amout of passengers on Wien-Salzburg. This is (I assume) also the reason for the weird business class since the double deck RJ will feature no business class at all.
I can't wait for the new Stadler railstock in the next years. Will the new regional double decker rex trains also arrive in 2026?
I guess their 2026 multi-stop new RJ also features 230km/h or 200 at minimum?
They're 200
Maybe for boarding but then absolutely terrible when onboard
Level bording will be essential in the future.
With the ICE-L and the ICE5 being the next new trains which will implement this feature ;-)
Therefore the RailJet 2 is very future prove.
Imagine you are a wheelchair user ~ in the past it was very complicated with a lift on a door to excess the train with the help of staff.
Also for luggage and strollers entry is now way more easy.
Other than the ICE-L ~ which will have no steps ~ when walking through the carriages it is really a bummer that their are so many steps.
Furthermore some areas are really narrow 😕
I just think they have taken backwards steps in so many places, which is a shame
@@NonstopEurotrip Ultimately it's impossible to have a low-level floor over the bogies, so if you want to have level boarding, then there MUST be internal steps. Talgo circumvents this by simply not using bogies at all, but every train with conventional bogies will have this issue.
Step-free entry is way more important than step-free walkthrough, so I do think that this is an improvement for mobility and accessibility. I haven't tried these trains myself, but it seems that the biggest passenger issue is that the first class and business class seats have gotten worse. I always travel second class, so for my purposes this train seems to be about equal to the original, except for the trash bin issue!
10:57 is that the brand new firefighting train?
Idk is it? 😆
Yes, seems like it’s the new Service Jet :)
While Business class certainly is a disaster, I like the new First class seats more that the old ones - the old ones, although wide, are quite hard, and I therefore don't find them comfortable
Back in the day compartments were standard!!!!
Your point?
Lovely video, subscribed. Sorry for disturbing saying the same, Nonstop
Thanks for the sub!
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Thanks for the great review! First class seems just about all right. Second doesn’t look inviting with those flimsy wooden armrests, and the pointless business upgrade is a ripoff. As we say in Germany: “Verschlimmbesserung”! (improvement for the worse 😂).
Glad it was helpful! 😀
Yes, in the main, you’re being over critical. Only point I really agree with is the lack of value on Business Class.
Fair enough!
Interesting video.
Boa viagem ai trem lindo trem gostei que bom é legal
Hi there! Halfway through the video, seeing the seats - no no for me. Looks hard, and the "Quiet Zone" sign is a put-off. Refurbishments won't happen anytime soon though.
Exactly! The quite zone is just one carriage btw
Well, we're not getting this layout in the US because there's no way in heck it's ADA compatible. Can't say I'm that upset.
Exactly...
@@NonstopEurotrip Here's hoping Stadler gets jealous of the Venture horde being rolled out and offers a competitive US coach.
it's cool😎
Ingenuitive is a new word on me! I think you meant ingenious!
en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/ingenuitive
@@NonstopEurotrip sorry, I use proper dictionaries! Loved your video tho - must admit the seat wings would drive me nuts trying to watch that scenery
Some of those new features are clearly copied from Westbahn even if in some cases (as with the gendered toilets) they shouldn't
Absolutely!!
Railjet 2.0. seems ot be a bit of a letdown. It will be tough to beat Original Railjet.
Completely agree 💯
@@NonstopEurotrip Also the original Railjet looks much better with Taurus front, The Vectron design isnt bad at all but isnt as stylish and smooth as good ol Taurus or OBB 1216 is.
"Not that good" because of a few minor things. Yes, you ARE being overly critical.
The main goal was to make it more accessible, and to have more capacity. Big doors and level entry also make it easier and faster to enter and leave the train, resulting in better punctuality.
I'm afraid most other people are on my point of view
@@NonstopEurotrip No, they're not.
@@NonstopEurotrip No, not at all! Of course, I wouldn't choose the Business Class for an extra fee. However, this price category is generally underutilized. This was also the case with the older ÖBB first-class cars (Amz), some of which are still in service with RegioJet or other railway companies, and are highly commended for their comfort.
Well, at least it´s now wheelchair accessible. That the ÖBB really bought in 2008 a train thats not accesible is a scandalous and sad, at least they corrcted this mistake. But it still will take years till all old trains are replaced.
They're not all being replaced, thank god
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Am I missing something? Passengers get a table if they can transfer to a seat, but they don't have a table if they remain in their wheelchair? I see only one table here.
Indeed, yes 😢
commeting on every new vid untill he goes on the blue bzmot
Thanks for the engagement 😅
I love the new Railjet, but the first class is awful
Amen 🙌🏻
This train is worse than its predecessor. But it is far from the downgrade that the SBB Girunos are. The old trains ICN or Astoro EMU‘s are far better compared to the Giruno. It started of with the marketing bs from Stadler that it is the first low floor high speed train in reality only two doors offer level boarding and Talgo made low floor high speed trains since the 1990‘s. The seats on the Giruno are extremely uncomfortable and the passenger information never works. The toilet situation on the Giruno is even worse than on the new railjet not only are the toilets sometimes two cars down the train but the design is one of the worst on trains I have ever seen. The toilets are gender specific and not even there are more women toilets than men. The door to the toilet only moves if you have your hand on the handle and there is a button next to the door that says door open the only thing this button does is to make a loud noise. And don’t forget most of the time half the toilets are broken.
Completely disagree, the Girunos are excellent trains, far better than this. Also the Astoros are so bumpy and have bad legroom in comparison
@@NonstopEurotrip the legroom is actually a problem with the seat itself some of the seats of the astoro have broken reclining they are always reclined giving bad legroom. On the other hand the Giruno has 8-20% less seats than the previous trains with the Giruno actually being longer. The Girunos are already most of the time overloaded SBB has to run 2 Trains a day with the FV Dosto a train that is too high and can only run on one of the two tracks blocking other trains. The ride quality of the Giruno is fine as long as it is going below 200kmh above the ride quality is extremely poor with the train shaking from side to side.
Gendered toilets???? This is always ridiculous and even more so on a train where both are identical.
Exactly 🤣
Has Innsbruck something worth visiting? Considering about visiting a country from Germany
And yeah, the new “bussiness class” is just like “first+ class” in a compartment and not every solo travellers will all like this for paying an additional 15euro
Hey, as someone from Innsbruck i can definitely reccomend visiting, especially if you like Nature and Mountain Sports, but the city itself also has a lot to offer!
Yes, it's a beautiful places with lots to do!
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I would not focus so much on the business and first classes - rather the second one where "the regular humans" travel and have to suffer most often. E.g. the seats in 2nd class in your video look much more stern and narrow than on the old railjets - which is another bad point.
The old railjet trains were far from perfect as such ...
- try traveling for 8 hours on an even half-empty train - and try to find different positions to sit - quite problematic, especially when you want to rest against the train wall or window
- toilets look great on a new set, but I now see regularly just a decade-old railjets, where all the toilets are broken and closed, front-to-end of the whole train set! (Some inherent design issue?) Missing soaps, toilet papers ... as if this was a Balkan or Eastern European service.
- the old railjets have chronically bad electricity sockets - after a few years of service, the plugs just don't hold in them and fall out. The only good design feature was that they were in between the seats - something so many wagon producers can't get decent.
- omnipresent foot rests, which I used to adore, disappeared from the old railjets at certain moment. How soon will it be the case with these ones? Or is it now just the business class feat?
- how is the train information system? I remember they were quite buggy recently - did OEBB work on this feet?
+ a good point in railjets was that the overhead luggage storage could hold quite a huge mountaineering luggage (with so many other companies' wagons misdesigned as pointlessly small). How does the new railjet rate in this regard?
+ old railjets had quite huge luggage storage spaces at the end and particularly in the middle of the wagon. How is it in this one? I don't care about the high-tech locking mechanism for the business class, really. :D Decent luggage space makes the travel on notoriously overcrowded trans-Austrian routes a bit more pleasant.
- the Austrian and German old intercity wagons had a chronic problem with almost no mobile signal reception inside, Railjets used to be just a tiny bit better. I wonder how good/bad are these ones really.
- the food in OEBB diners (DoN company) is notoriously basic, but significantly overpriced - even for the on-board category.
What's the least comprehensible for me, why OEBB purchases new train sets of such a dubious quality, if they have one of the most aggressive price policies in Europe (that does not match the provided service or the improvements). The wondrous cheap tickets are actually rarely available, if you don't plan your super-short trip (that could be covered by regional services indeed) half a year ahead. Shortly before the departure date, the OEBB tickets go over the roof, even beyond the "market price". It's more a matter of "just because they can". They have been already heavily criticized for this. One can buy the tickets for the same international route, for the same train, from other rail companies (DB in this case, but could be also CD, ZSSK and others) for half or even thrid of the OEBB price. OEBB policy seems to be a form of robbery - but the resulting service does not correspond to it. Let's not go into the topic of their regular extensive delays ;)
So you're staying I'm not a regular human?
Fancy Amex you got there...
The huge travel benefits far outweigh the yearly fee for me!
@@NonstopEurotrip i bet it does and it helps when things don’t go the way they should
@@teme82 absolutely, the travel insurance and lounge benefits, not to mention the air miles for upgrades 🙂
Make bullet train be safe
Why the hell is there USB A???
This makes no sense….
So people can charge their phones
so if you are a woman with a male baby, which toilet do you choose?
Either, because no one pays any attention to the genders
My wife was adamant that gendered toilets are *not* pointless. She reports that many men have poor aim - which means that far too often she finds urine not only on the floor but splashed onto the seat, which she has to clean up before using the toilet. Hardly a pleasant experience!
They're mainly pointless because people don't realise and/or no one pays attention to the signs anyway!
Question: Can westerners travel on the trans siberian train at the moment?
If you can get a visa, yes. But morally I won't go to nazi land until the current dictator is removed
The gendering of the toilets on both these and the new night jets is asinine
And ignored too 😂
@@NonstopEurotrip I was just on the night jet with my friend and the “men’s” was broken but he was so worried about using the women’s that he waited hours until we got off in Hamburg
I expect the 🚻 are 🚹 or 🚺 in an endeavour to cut down on the perennial complaints about splashing 🚿 and/or lifting or not lifting the seat. But what about the non-binary?! This is blatant segregation! 😂
No one pays attention to the signs anyway
I am agree wi5h you 5he buisness Glas on the x2ndxRJ Generation is a absoluty downgrade in 5he oposite of the BC of 5he 1st RJ Generation. I 5hink 5h3 best train in Europe at the Moment isthe trainitalia freccarossa Exekution clans in the freccarossa 1000 series
Still the best train
Worser
The train is a big downgrade to the old Railjets
Exactly this ☝🏻
not impressed after seeing what China offers. Great video, though.
It's a very different network and requirements
The very bulky seats where a design requirement because this route from Italy to Germany attracts many illegal immigrants and pick pockets. There were multiple instances of someone grabbing stuff from the seat row behind between the two discrete seats. The locks for luggage are for the same reason. It’s a shame really. Nowadays people can’t feel safe to leave their stuff for the dining car anymore.
I totally agree btw that this 90% low floor idea was idiotic. They should have done two cars low floor. A bike, children, and handicapped car for 1st and second class respectively. With ramps. The rest high. Would’ve made much more sense. Plus at no extra cost. They had to develop a new generation of high floor middle car anyways for the one that’s next to the hauling locomotive. I had that discussion with the planning bureau of Siemens Mobility in Graz when I applied for a job there. The director agreed but hinted that the ÖBB customer insisted on the now existing solution.
Seems a very strange requirement for the seats. But they're the same on Nightjet NG routes too
You are being far too dismissive about the new business class seating. I think if you were a businessman having a private compartment would be a lot more desirable, for the simple reason that a business folks now have the ability to conduct business in a more private manner, which is not something you get from an open carriage.
Likewise you criticism of the new first class seating, in respect to the extended headrests is off base. The extended headrests provide a lot more privacy for the person sitting in those seats.
However, I agree with you that the gendered toilets makes no sense. I feel this will change when passengers complain about having to needlessly wait for the gendered toilet to become available.
With 3 other people in the compartment too? Great.
@@NonstopEurotripisn’t the idea that Business Class is a first class meeting room? You book the whole compartment for you and your colleagues.
@@petergilbert72 I mean you could, if there's 4 of you. Otherwise you could end up with anyone else in there.
In Italo, there is always the option to book the whole compartment. It cost +- as 3 tickets bought separately. You can also book it for a single person
this train is a joke
Why?