My biggest issue with the EOS R was the shadow noise and pattern noise when pulling shadows. I had the 5DIV and could push and pull those files, even at higher ISOs, and never had the problems I had with the R. That was really the only reason I sold the R (and some video limitations) and now await a new camera, probably the R5. I didn't see any colour differences here with the R6 vs the R/R5 like some people are talking about.
Aye I hear you - I've heard from countless folks that the 5DMIV handled noise in the shadows incredibly well. I have noticed on some higher ISO shots that there are a few artifacts in the shadows, when they are pulled out. I do feel like the R5 handles that a bit better than the R. And colors were spot on, with all three cameras :) Thanks for watching!
@@RealityReimagined Yes I got my hands on Raw files from the R5 and it is now better at shadow recovery and noise than the 5DIV which is all I was wanting. However that $5400 price tag here in Canada has me playing the waiting game. The R5 is apparently outselling supply, so I have a sad feeling price drops won't be any time soon.
Since we all process our photos and Photoshop has super resolution enhancement that makes the photo four times larger, I'm not sure image size and pixel count matters near as much as it used to.
Aye me too! I really wanted that R5 and may still get it somewhere down the road. It will be for video first, but knowing that image is slightly better, makes me feel much more comfortable with the R, for now :) Thanks for watching!
The sensor in the R6 that you are complaining about is the same sensor as the $6500. 1 DX Mk 3 according to Canon website. The only difference is the 1DX uses an optical AA filter. The processor is the same in both cameras. This is the camera that is used for NFL, NBA, MLB, games. Also the Olympics and soccer all around the world. A well known photographer the shoots for NASA and Space X uses the 1DX mk 3 and an R6. You might want to rethink that demonstration to something real world like making prints.
So one of the major advantages of the 1D M3 over all other current/modern camera bodies is the FPS burst that the camera can capture. Hence why it's used a lot for action photography of any kind. However it has often been stated in reviews for several months that the megapixel variation between the R and the 1D M3 positioned the former for more broad ranges of genres of photography and the latter being applicable to action. However this review was a comparison of mirrorless cameras, which I think its fair to say is the future direction of digital cameras, from all major brands. I do not see the relevance of using a DSLR and its price point as a measurement of how the R6 compares to the R and R5 - which again is clearly what is on the minds of most photographers who are looking at upgrading their Canon gear. In regard to prints - I will leave that comment on the second you made on the video.
the best comparison period!!! I've literally seen all the comparison videos as i was confused to upgrade to R to a point where it wad keeping me up at night. Thankyou so much ❤️
When you zoom out to 100% at 18:15 the R6 looks amazing! Zooming in 300% or 400% isn’t really a good comparison between the image quality since no one ever views images this way. Interesting to see these compared though. Thanks for the video!
Aye I agree that the common use of the images will never been that cropped in - for the average portrait photographer and potentially what they sell to clients. However, I do feel that it is relevant to analyze the pictures that close in, due to how much Photoshop is changing and embracing larger files as well as other graphics programs, etc. I see in my education travels, a lot of folks going in various directions with their images and my hope in showing them this video, is that they will make good decisions about the full offering of their camera :) Thank you for commenting and watching - most appreciated!
You are most welcome and to update - I've now upgraded to the R5, again mainly for the video options. However a mentor and highly influential member of the industry (and a Canon Explorer of Light) recently said that the R is still a great camera and that if you currently use one, to invest in new RF lens - if you don't plan on doing video. Making a new video soon discussing the R5. Thanks for watching!
I saw your test then I tried comparing the R and the R6 with the same method you did. (Upscaling the R6 with smartobject enabled to match the R in photoshop using nearly identical images) my results were that I tried to look for the difference but I can't seem to find anything significant that you did even when zooming in at 300%.
That's a great idea to use the R6 image as a smart object and then match it in physical size to the R. I will give that a test on the various genre images I captured and see what's what. Perhaps that's the strength of the Digic X? The data can be realigned with a new image size, once you convert to smart objects. Thanks for watching and the heads up!
The R5 was never really a consideration for me mainly because of cost, but I had been debating on moving from my EOS R to the R6. I primarily photograph landscapes, city scapes, and night sky so I thought maybe losing 10 mp wouldn't be that big of a deal if other aspects of the R6 were a significant upgrade. But it appears that for now keeping the R makes the most sense and continue adding to my RF lens selection. If the R6 had a 30mp sensor, paying $700 to get Digic X, IBIS, and the autofocus upgrades would be worth it and I would make the change in a heartbeat.
Aye I couldn't agree more and that was why I was so shocked when they announced the R6 as a 20mp camera. I thought for sure that the R6 was going to be, essentially the R Mark 2. Paying $700 for IBIS alone would be worth it, imo :) However there are new rumors that an R Mark 2 is launching next year... Thanks for watching!
I am in the exact same boat, I ahve an R I love it, though its limited for video (only) I had enough money to get the R5, So i rather got an RF 35 1.8mm so i couldnt afford it straight up Now I am having fun with new glass on an OLD body which most will say is better in the long term cause you can always upgrade the body later
You won’t notice the difference in megapixels unless you make large prints. I have an R and a R6. I can make 16x20 prints with both cameras and they look the same. If you shoot in a studio or on a tripod for landscapes the R is great. When you need the extreme speed of focusing and frames per second the R6 is a killer. Different tools for different jobs.
The average client isn't going to notice major pixel variations in a 16x20 print - for sure. That's certainly food for thought, however I think the argument here is the overall capabilities of the camera itself and its applicable uses for the future of any given photographer's needs. Is the average, basic studio photographer going to enjoy those extra pixels on the basic sale? Maybe and that's the whole point of investing in current modern gear that will be able to last at least four years until the next major round of cameras from Canon. Also think about the modern photographer and the plethora of education that is out there. Photographers are experimenting with all types of genres, all types out output for their artwork. I see a lot of folks who are entering into image competitions across the world. A stronger amount of pixels and data will help that artwork, vastly over a softer display. The strengths and advantages of an "all around" camera will serve the vast majority better than focusing it down to one or two specific genres and letting that limitation be the guide as to what is the "best camera." Thanks for watching!
WRONG!! there is a massive difference in megapixels if your a wildlife (especially birds) shooter....when you are heavily cropping on most, if not all of your shots!! www.flickr.com/photos/130542709@N06/51102508241
Great perspective. I've been on the fence as well. I think you've done a great job at clarifying and solidifying my upgrade debate. Thank you! You earned a new subscriber. Bravo.
Right on and at the risk of tossing in more doubts, there are three new camera bodies coming this year. The early rumors suggest that one will be a low grade (full frame) replacement for the RP, the second could be a replacement for the R and the final is supposed to be a massive megapixel camera that will focus more on the sensor for photography than video. Potentially a replacement for the 1dX M3 - which shares the same sensor with the R6. If this new camera becomes THE sports camera, then most of the arguments in favor the R6 will be moot. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, for subbing and watching!!
One of the best reviews of these three cameras on TH-cam! I'm not a photographer but would watch your channel every day and twice on Sunday! Well done sir!
THANK YOU for this demonstration. Finally...video number 768 in my viewing of absolutely everything on TH-cam comparing the R, the R6 and the R5 finally breaks my upgrade fever. I love my R so much, but whenever I watch videos about the 5 and 6, I get excited about the faster autofocus and a couple more stops of dynamic range and stabilisation and....not much more! The R5 is really visibly a class better but so expensive, then I see the R6 images and like you I think the R is overall way better for the money. But that autofocus....lol... Rinse, repeat. This video has finally broken the cycle cause it has to be about value for money and by THAT measure, the 4K currently overheating in my bank account is gonna stay there till the prices come down and I see what the firmware updates have brought to the table for the R5. Thanks again! Happy new subcriber.
First off - thank you so much, I appreciate the kind words about the video and the channel :) I am 100% in agreement with you and since the release of the video, I've talked to a lot of folks that are urging the push for the R5. It is a better camera, for sure, but like you I'm waiting to see the firmware updates before I drop the $4k :) Thanks for watching and subbing!
Thank you for this question and inquiry - apologies on the delay in response. Since the time of this recording I've now switched to the R5 and use all RF glass exclusively. I can safely say that what I love the most is the software in the R5, vs the R. And with the recent announcement of the R6 Mark 2 being a slight increase in megapixel count, but a massive change to the software, I feel that Canon is focusing most of their innovation on faster AI responses/functionality rather than hardware improvements. There are definitely hardware improvements, but the impact they have to general photography vs the software, is a massive leap. I initially wanted the R5 for video options more than megapixel count. Now seeing the capabilities of the R6 M2 which has more useful and advantageous elements to video than the R5 - I'm truthfully a bit disappointed in Canon. I'm hoping they will include some of these video options in a firmware/software update to the R5 and that will dictate final thoughts. All in all - the cameras are good, it's just a question of the software :) Thank you so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
Thank you for the comparison. I made my choice towards R, and I don't regret any dollar I spent on it. I also had a possibility to use R5 and R6 during my photoshoots with EF and RF lenses and found R6 in terms of customization a bit more limited than R5, but when I jumped into the settings for my R, I found them more than sufficient to quickly change modes. What I noticed is that the noice of R fits me better. I mean how the noice looks, it adds something I cannot explain to how I edit and the outcome looks fantastic. Autofocus in R5 and R6 is quicker, it follows animals. But I don't shoot them. I shoot portraits in motion, and for my old friend EF 85 1.2 the capabilities of focus in R where more than enough (I definitely found EF 85 better than RF, it makes the pictures more aerial). What I did wrong buying my R was that I spent so much time not having it in my bag One card slot can be a significant con for those who store images twice. But… I've been using Canon EOS 6D and 6D II for many years, and have never been facing issues with my 1 card available for storing images in the camera (never used cheap cards, only SanDisk and Transcend). The EVF is different. In R it's slower comparing to DSLRs, but it's not significantly worse then in R5, I could not see any significant advantage in R5. So thank you once again for giving the simple but catchall comparison between images. Anyway, for those who are to make the choice yet, don't jerk out to your photo gear, develop with what you have it something not «best». I always remember what 1900 said in the end of the movie «The Legend of 1900»: Take piano: keys begin, keys end. You know there are 88 of them. Nobody can tell you any different. They are not infinite. You're infinite.... And on those keys, the music that you can make... is infinite. I like that. That I can live by.... You rolled out in front of me a keyboard of millions of keys, millions and billions of keys that never end. And that's the truth Max, that they never end. That keyboard is infinite... and if that keyboard is infinite, then on that keyboard there is no music you can play. You're sitting on the wrong bench.... That is God's piano. Christ, did you... did you see the streets, just the streets? There were thousands of them! Then how you do it down there, how do you choose just one... one woman, one house, one piece of land to call your own, one landscape to look at, one way to die...? So, photographers, create with your 88 keys the infinite music!
I am so thankful that you took the time to share this beautiful analogy and words of wisdom! Truly our goal is to just create the art and whatever chosen tool we use, isn't as important as what we do with them to make that infinite music. So incredibly beautiful and thank you so very much for sharing!!
Unfortunately, many beginners watch tones of reviews, trying to find one with a description which camera will have the magic button "make a masterpiece" :)
Great comparison of the R and R6. Owning both of them myself and having done a good amount of pixel peeking I wonder if there was an AF or other issue with your particular example image. If I put my images side by side the difference in pixel count is visible. But my R6 images are as sharp as the R ones not showing such a noticeable softness - also given that the identical lense and settings are used.
Aye I felt the same thing when I prepped the images for the video. I went through a few and found some of the same variance we see in this image example, but definitely will depend on other elements like the lighting, setting/location, etc. Thanks for sharing your experiences and for watching!
I strongly believe that all three R bodies are great cameras (not including the R3, only because I haven't shot with it.) Just depends on budget, what your primary genre is in photography and how long you need the camera to last.
I did a similar test. I actually found a guy who took shots with all 3 cameras in natural light and studio situations for portrait, and also landscape. In Adobe Camera Raw you can select the MP output of your raw files, so I set them to all to 45 MP. In a "blind" comparison, I could not readily pick out the R5 files vs the R6 or R when viewed at 100% on a 5K monitor. They were all, very, very close. Further, when I used the Adobe Camera Raw "Enhance/Super Resolution" feature, then output to 45 MP, the R6 files actually looked better/sharper/more detailed than the R5 files. I sent these outputs (enhanced 45MP R6 vs 45MP R5) to graphic designer friends to be sure, and they also picked the R6 files as being "more detailed" than the R5 files every single time (even when using the best RF85 lens which should not be pushed to its limits by resolution). In fact what I found was that the lens and the focus accuracy will make a bigger difference in final detail than the advertised camera MP. So any size you can print with the R5, you can print with the R6 with little (Enhance output in ACR) to no (just change output to 45 MP in ACR) effort.
Aye I hear you and the data is one that I think ultimately it boils down to what folks find they need in their art/business. Since the recording of this video I have now switched to the R5 and use RF glass. I love what I see and in many cases the details/data can be too much in certain situations. But that inspires evolution on my part in all facets of how I work with my images and sell them. So innovation/evolution is a good thing :) Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for watching!
I wish that I could, but I don't have access to a Sony camera. Most of the my friends that are local are all Canon users. However I will keep this in mind and if someone comes along with a Sony A7S3 I will definitely do a vid :)
@Reality Reimagened : It was an amazing video from the begining to the end, thank you so much for sharing your knowledge. I was reading on the comments in order to see if somebody else did the same question I will do... I found a guy who asked you almost the same... sorry for that but I would like to ask almost one year later that you did this video: What is your point of view at this moment? Did you upgrade to the R6 or the R5? ... at this moment, if you wouldn´t have a camera, wich model would you choose. the R, the R6 or the R5 ??? Thank you in advance :)
Thank you so much for the kind words about the video - I greatly appreciate it! At this stage right now I personally would opt for the R5 for the video options and the megapixels. However the R6 I think is still a very strong candidate, especially if you need a great new lens. Once the R3 hits the market and we see the price points, I suspect that Canon might offer their first discounts on both bodies (the R5 and R6) Depending on supply and demand though, they may not. There has been a rumored R1 that would be the spiritual successor to the R and my hope is that will get some traction once the R3 is launched. If not, then I would most likely be upgrading to the R5 at the end of this year. Let me know what you decide for yourself and thank you for watching!
@@RealityReimagined thank you so much for taking the time to answer to my question and to share your knowledge with me. I am motivated to buy the R5, I am a little bit scared because this is going to be my first camera, I have never had one before. I have tried to study it before to buy it and a lot of people states that R6 is better in low light but a lot of people also say that the R5 is better... I have found people who say that the R5 produces RAW with predominant green colors and they state that you will need to dedicate a lot of time trying to fix photos on post production... I suspect that those people don´t know how to use the camera propperly, but I don´t know if my brain is trying to think it just because I would like to buy the camera any way... I appreciate your coments on my concern and your videos. I think I will try to wait until September 15 to know what is next once the R3 has arrived. Have a wonderful weekend!
The noise variations seemed pretty similar to the R, but I sadly didn't test them at a high ISO to be able to do a comparison. I'm recording a new video this weekend with the R5 against the R and I can test it there, but I didn't rent the R6 again :(
Thanks for the great review and visual representation of the differences between these cameras! This is the review I’ve been looking for! I have two EOS Rs and was trying to decide between the R5 and R6 for upgrades. Now I know the best choice will be invest that money in lenses instead for now. Thanks again and I look forward to seeing more of your content.
Right on and to be completely fair - there are strong advantages to upgrading to the R6 or R5, but Canon is launching three new bodies (rumored) for 2021 and that should change the map a little. New glass is never a bad idea :) Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for watching!
I think it's a good call to not get the R5 right now if you have the R. If you get down to the nitty gritty, the biggest benefits of the R5 are: dual card slots, more pixels, IBIS, better noise control, and better video. If you're used to and happy with using a single card slot, the 1st point isn't huge, especially since the only way you can use both card slots is to buy a super expensive (comparatively) CF Express card. More pixels really isn't a huge deal unless you're routinely cropping or pushing the image, which you probably won't do as much in a studio setting. IBIS only benefits you if you're shooting hand-held and you're likely to have shaky hands. While I think you can see the better noise control of the R5 and maybe could take advantage of it, it really only starts showing a huge difference once you get into the 6400+ ISO range and if you're in a studio, you'll control the light enough to not have to push it that far. And regardless of whether you're going to be doing a lot of video, truth is that 8k or even 4k isn't actually important. A lot of people get beastly cameras like this and end up just recording to 1080p and upscale anyway because it's easier to work with the files. So if you're not super compelled right now, then wait for the "R5s" or whatever (90MP mostly stills camera, worse video specs) and see if that's more along what you want. Cameras are just going to get better and better anyhow, so eventually the real "perfect camera" for you will show up.
This - this right here. BEST COMMENT and ADVICE about this process of deciding to buy a new camera. Thank you for sharing this and I completely agree with you. Also thanks for watching!
HOOOOLD UP A MINUTE, first of all, your opinion is based on pixel count?? I've had the Canon EOS R and I upgraded to R6. I've compared both side by side with a tripod, same lens, same settings and you cannot tell the difference in sharpness and to my surprise, the R6 looked even sharper than the R. I'm not sure why it looks so much softer in this video (did you use a tripod for this comparison?). Plus, in the real world, since were shooting handheld most of the time, the IBIS in the R6 vastly improves image sharpness, which you wouldn't get with the R. So, pixel counting aside, IBIS, immensely improved AF (Eye and Subject tracking), 2 card slots, newer sensor makes the R6 a huge upgrade to the R. Now, I don't know if I would spend almost $4K on the R5, I don't think it's worth it. the R6 is extremely sharp and this video does not do it justice. I do want to say though that the R is a great camera, no doubt, and I was also in the same position, should I upgrade or not, then I rented the R6 to try, sold the R a week later and Bought the R6 lol. Here is a link to show you the R6 being sharper than the R. I don't understand why, but it is. www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=458&Camera=1509&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=4&LensComp=458&CameraComp=1221&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=4
Well first of all - I did explain in the beginning that there were other elements to both the R5/6 that make them a good choice for an upgrade. Specifically things like the newer processor, the stronger AI and so forth. I don't think that information is lost on the viewers. IBIS makes a great addition for sure, but it's pure strength is seen in video, not photography. It certainly helps, but it's positioned by Canon for video. The IS in lens has more impact for photography. Many videos on the TH-cam have discussed this as well as the boon of 2 card slots, etc. I wanted to see a video that pixel counted because that was one major element that I didn't find in my research. Hence my video. Your link showing the lens alignment grid is cool - I went through several images before I selected the ones I used for the video and the R6 was just not as full of detail as the R. I considered making a longer video showing various examples and as I looked at it, it felt like I was bashing the R6 over and over because the evidence of the pixel amount was clear. 20 megapixels is not bad at all - the new Sony is 24 if I'm not mistaken. The average client is not going to notice 20 vs 30 in most of their print order. However, this video was to simply show the variance between these three and discuss one of the major motivators for consumers which is price and what you get for it. But thank you for watching!
@@RealityReimagined I understand, it's just that I did a similar comparison between the R and R6 and did not get that result. Strange, I don't know. the R6 seemed sharper for some reason. That's why I asked you if you used a tripod, I assume you did. Also I would try comparing in a more lit environment. Also I DO think the information is lost in viewers because I'm readin everyone'e comment and they are put off upgrading purely cuz of megapixels. The point is we already know less megapixels are gonna show a softer image, what is the point on reiterating that. The major motivators should be everything else, which is worth the upgrade.
Hi David, Thanks for the great comparison. I always enjoyed your video and learnt a lot from it and your other videos too. I am going to buy EOS R and my main goal is to shoot fashion and portraits, as I know the 8 fps drops to 5 fps in continuous AF mode so my only concern is if 5 fps in Continuous AF mode can freeze a model sharply when she jumps, or a walking model in a catwalk or a model walking along the beach toward the camera or walking across the frame? I would highly appreciate you for your valuable time to help me! God bless you! Ali
Thank you so much for the kind words - I greatly appreciate it. :) To answer your question, I really feel that it's a question of your technique on sensing the motion a split second before it happens. I used to photograph a large dance academy. During those years I learned to be able to anticipate movement both while looking through the viewfinder and my peripheral vision. If you know the flow of the event (runway walk, etc.) and know the optimal space where your talent is going to flow through, I believe 5fps should be fine. The image should be sharp, but I do worry that you might be better to look at the R6 or R5. The main reason being the improved AI face detection software. Since the recording of this video, I have upgraded to the R5 and there is a noticeable difference in how well the camera detects the eyes - WHEN - the subject is profiled to the camera. I still see the R5 locking onto the eye when the model is looking right at the camera (and it can see both eyes) as fast as the R does. But knowing that your work is definitely going to be a lot of motion and you don't always have the chance to have them look right at you - you may need that better software. The R6 is a considerable jump in price, but over the long run of your work - it might be the best choice. Let me know if you have any questions and what you chose to do. Thanks for watching!!
@@RealityReimagined Hello David, Thanks a lot for your very detailed explanation and taking your valuable time. according your kind words I think R can do the job but R5 or R6 more powerful in that aspect. Honestly to say I have't so much motion works and mostly I work on shooting portraits but sometimes some movements such as jumping and runway shows happen to be photographed and thus I need it! Maybe I need to ask the model to jump few times that I can achieve the best shot! Of course R5 is good too but I think at this time it adds more pressure on my pocket :) I really appreciate you for the time you took to help me, very helpful and encouraging! God bless you David and have a great shoot! Sincerely Yours, Ali
Thank you David. A reasonable and well-argued rational. We too owned the R prior to facing this same conundrum. COVID-19 changed everything for us. We were a portrait studio but of course safety concerns shut us down. We looked elsewhere for another revenue stream that would be safer for us and our clients. We live in ranch country and everyone also seems to own a dog. Shooting out-of-doors, even in our arctic winters is a much safer option. Animal/people eye detection is something we could use. More pixels gives us greater crop flexibility in addition to greater editing options. And the focus tracking ability is absolutely essential for dogs who are more active and energetic than horses. It was a no-brainer - we now own the R5. The 70 - 200 f2.8 RF is our workhorse lens while we keep the 24 - 70 f2.8 RF on the R. Canine/equine photography is safer in these COVID times and we are so pleased that technology has offered us products that make our work so much easier and more efficient. We are Canadians. The price of admission was steep, but we have faith Canon has given us the best tools now and for our future needs.
Right on!! Not only the investment in your business, but the PIVOT to find new ways to adapt in the Covid19 world we currently live in. I'm proud to see that you have adapted and that it's going well. The new AI is hands down better than the first iteration in the R and I'm disappointed that Canon isn't providing an update to the R with that tech. I can't imagine the internal tech changed enough that the new AI is tech dependent on it. So my instincts tell me this is another way to further separate these three cameras, in the minuscule ways that Canon typically does with their gear. Thanks for watching!
Lolol - aye I hear you for sure! If you do hit it big, get that R5 and then retire to an island and shoot sunsets for the rest of your days :) Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!!
I think the fact the R6 will give you minimal noise and similar colour as the other 2 is fantastic! Just use your sharpening tool and presto! Easy to get sharp images and at the same time reduce your storage space! Today most photographers are over shooting, over killing the job. In 2004 my boss back then shot a billboard campaign using the canon 20D, 8megapixel crop sensor! It turned out great! Client was very happy the colours, contrast, clarity where enough, I wouldn’t dream of shooting my weddings with anything more then a 20megapixel sensor. Even the Fuji crops sensor I often use which is my personal camera the XT4, 26 mega pixel is overkill for weddings, I have never had any complaints with the quality enlargements or poster I have supplied using my 20 mega pixel canon IDX or Fuji Bodies. 20 million pixels are a heap of amount of pixels. Stop giving in to marketing hype that is forcing photographers to keep upgrading constantly!
I hear you - I really do. However I've had the benefit of doing a lot of image work in Photoshop over the years and I have seen greater results, across the board with a higher megapixel count. There is a noticeable difference to not only the final artwork, but what I can do with it in Photoshop. I'm glad that the crop sensors and 20mp has serviced your needs as a photographer, but with all due respect, I do not believe that should be the measure to set the standard for all photographers. I would never return to a lower MP count, after seeing the work over the past two years from my R; simply a step in the wrong direction. However I do strongly agree with you that the marketing hype has influenced too many photographers. In my travels as an educator, I have gotten so many messages from folks who are beginners or have just stepped into the industry/business in the past two years and their first question was "so do I need to get that R5?!" And I ask them why they think they need to - every time. The answers show me that critical thought of how the camera will help their business, isn't the guiding issue - it's the marketing of it being "the next best thing." Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts and opinions - even though I disagree, I welcome the discussion!!
@@RealityReimagined It all depends what size output you print and on what substrate? Of course if I was commissioned to shoot a 2 metre backlight jewelry or glamour campaign which will be printed on a 600dpi x600dpi large format high resolution printer on a print-mode of 200 Density 16 pass, then 20 mega pixels would struggle compared to a medium format or higher resolution Full frame. But I rarely do work like that which requires that kind of output. Everyone has different requirements. Agree most what you said. I didn’t mean to come across as my way should be the industry standard. Not at all. But doing weddings and portraits I do speak for a lot of photographers also.
I use Canon 5DII and 7D for landscape and wildlife photography purposes till now in 2021. There's absolutely no need to replace them as they are performing extremely well. At the end of the day, it's the images that talk, not the equipment. I prefer bigger pixels produce my photos. Because they produce cleaner images.
Aye I totally hear you and I used my Canon 6d for a number of years before I moved to the R. The gear doesn't always have to be replaced with the new and next best thing - but for the folks (for whatever reason) that want to upgrade, the video hopefully helps :) Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for watching!
Excellent comparison video - one the best....if not THE best I've seen. Thank you. My main issue is the 20mp sensor on the R6 and I see the sense in how you thought the reason was. However, as a photographer who likes to crop more or less each imagee, the 20mp sensor would struggle to keep resolutiton to an acceptable level. The 45mp is probably too much!!! so the R seems to be a good compromise but with older technology. Decisions decisions!!!
Thank you so much for the kind words, I appreciate them! I totally agree with you and that's one of the main challenges for me. I do a lot of composite artwork and often need to resize, crop, alter pixels in many ways. Knowing the fidelity of the pixels will be stronger with more MP, that makes the choice for me. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!
I think it would be almost the same comparison as the R vs the R6 as the sensor is the exact same resolution in the R is the same from the 5D MK 4. The processor in the 5D MK 4 is the Digic 6 and that will make a bit of difference in overall color and other data processing, but I can't imagine it's too far off from the R. Canon has always done a great job of managing color space in their cameras and I do not believe that a major change was made with the R. So this video's comparison of the R images to the R6 would be a pretty close comparison of the R6 vs the 5D MK 4. Thanks for watching!
Thank you, Very informative video. I've shot Canon DSLR for the last 5 years and love em. I looked at the R then the RP when it came out but, it didn't 0ffer enough to make me switch from my current 6D and 5D MKII. After the launch of the R5/R6 I took another look at mirror less. The Frame Rate and AF along with the IBIS, are a big selling point to me (I use some long Glass). I don't shoot in a studio, I'm a run and gunner plus wildlife. I do very little video, If I want video I'll grab my Video cam. For what you get I can't justify the price difference between the R5 and R6. After doing a ton of research, for what I do I just purchased the R6 and so far no regrets.
Right on! The moment that I read that you do wildlife and use longer lens, I would hands down recommend the R6 for that. The IBIS alone (matched to the RF IS) would be ideal and the new AI pet eye detection would be a great boon to your work. Glad it's working well for and thanks for watching!!
I have a canon T6i then I got a 6D a year later. I’ve been watching videos for the last two days and I think I’m going with the R. It’ll be a nice upgrade. I already have L series glass. I only need it for photography mainly. I thinks that’s a big upgrade for me from not buying a camera since 2017 and when I did it was already years old when I got it. The price is good enough for me unlike going Sony a7iii which I was also looking at. I’m not trying to go to far over budget since I don’t do photo shoots too often however I’m trying to get back into it. Thanks for the video
The R will be a great upgrade for you, from the 6d - I did exactly the same, although I had my 6d a little longer. Given the limited versatility you know you need out of the camera right now, the savings you'll get on the R purchase (over the R6) can be used to maybe be put toward a future upgrade for glass. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for watching!
I have the 90D and 6D MKII and 20 lenses including Canon L, Sigma Art, and Zeiss primes (I know, GAS). I bought a year old R kit with the RF 24-105mm L off Ebay for $2377.00. This combo is noticeably better (IQ) than my 6DII/Sigma 24-105mm Art combo. I'm going to list the 6D/Sigma combo on Ebay as a combo in a few weeks when stimulus checks start arriving. I highly recommend the RF 24-105mm L.
@@b2gun6s I just got a Canon R5 and 28-70. I haven’t used it yet since rom currently deployed and it’s at a family members house until I return. I’m going to look into that lens. I’m selling my T6i as a bundle as well as my 6D and my Panasonic G7 when I get back.
Congratulations for the video! Even in 2021 after all the updates in the R6 and R5 I think that the EOS R is still the way to go. It is better investing in RF lenses and wait till the R5 drops the price.
Right on - I am looking forward to purchasing the R5, but will still wait for either the announcement of the rumored R1 or a price reduction of the R5 when the R3 launches. Thanks for watching!
I think that was a really well done and honest review. And I agree with your conclusions .... if the question is “Do I upgrade from the R?” Since I don’t currently have a Canon mirrorless and I am primarily a stills photo old guy... can you consider the question in a different way? If you didn’t own an R... at all... and money is always an issue.... would you buy a new R or a new R6?
First off thank you for the kind words and seeing this review from the whole that it was meant to be and also suggesting a new take on it, with your comments. I am truly torn in how to answer. I do believe that the R is a great, great photography camera and will save you a lot of cash. However the R6's other peripherals will certainly last you longer and serve you better, in versatility. Dual card slots, better video options than the R and improved AI tech, is a great investment. However the R gives SO much to one who is stepping into the mirrorless market. I can't make up my mind :) Still waiting to see the specs on the new R1 and then go from there. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and for watching!!
Excellent comparison! I knew the R was a solid camera.. but this helps so much understanding what the differences really are and when upgrading will be most advantageous.
Finally the video that I was looking for! I was thinking to "upgrade" to the R6 but I will keep my beloved R, I mostly do still and "studio". The only way that I will upgrade to an R6 is if I start making video content, they should have released an R with the new processor, new auto-focus, IBIS, 120 ffp at 1080 with AF and the 30mpx sensor; in my opinion I would have bought that camera with no brainer. Great content man :D
Thank you so much - most appreciated! I'm really curious to see what Canon is going to announce soon with their new bodies for 2021. Since Sony just launched the A1 and it set the bar pretty high, I'm sure something is soon on the horizon for Canon. Thanks for watching and for sharing your thoughts!
Good vid. Curious if you looked at this test more than once to ensure there wasnt another variable. I downloaded samples and, given that I wasnt viewing at like 400% on a 5k screen, the R6 looked sharper - explained to be due to the removal of the anti aliasing filter. I just bought the R6 based on this. Will have in a week. We shal see
Aye I did go through several images looking for the variance and saw it everyone one of them :( However I still do believe the R6 is a great camera that will serve folks well - regardless of the differences. Thanks for watching!
Awesome comparison!!! I have the EOS R and Love it. I was think, about upgrade to the R6, after see your comparison video I decided not to upgrade wait for the next versions. Do you take any landscape or architect photos ?
Canon rumors already have leaks that two to three new bodies are coming in 2021 and they will be middle ground between the R and the R6 as well as one that apparently is going to be a huge megapixel camera, but the video specs won't be as solid as the R5. So good to wait! I haven't really done any formal architecture imagery but I do photography landscapes, but only to use in composite/photomanipulation artwork. Is that one of your main genres of art?
So I am one who doesn’t upgrade cameras on the regular. My R was the first camera I bought new since the 60D. And I made a pretty good living with the 60D. When the R came out I felt it was time for a new camera, and I enjoyed the new system so much that I sold all but two of my EF lenses and bought a bunch of RF glass. I expose properly and don’t have to worry about recovering too much data in the shadows. I rarely shoot over 1600. Even if the camera can handle it, I just don’t. Never have. I actually did the unthinkable when the R5 and R6 came out and bought an RP when the price dropped on that camera. It’s my new go to camera for headshots and personal branding sessions.
Oh I can completely relate to this. We had a 60d as the main camera for a long time and then I wound up stepping up to the 6d as our first full frame. I did appreciate the larger image and the stronger sensor, but that 60d saw a lot of work for a very, very long time. And I completely agree on the high ISO - I very rarely go any higher than 800, but working with these new lights has required me to push that boundary a touch. And I did buy a second RP too (when the price dropped) so I would have a two shot video option for future content on the channel. :) Thanks for watching and here's to that R lasting for a very long time - for both of us!
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What about sports ? Wouldn’t the r6 be great for sports ?
Aye I do think for sports and the motion tracking that is needed, the R6 and R5 are vastly superior over the R. However I would recommend taking a look at the new (unreleased) R3 as that body is being positioned by Canon to be their new flagship action/sports camera that I'm sure will take back the mantle of being the preferred camera by sports organizations and so forth. Thanks for watching!
0:01 - If anyone is asking himself that question, then no, you probably do not NEED one... But if you really, really want another one... then yes, you do need one :D. In all honesty, from what I see, unless you have almost $4000 sitting on a shelf gathering dust and don't know what to do with them... is not worth the upgrade. Maybe wait a year or so for that price to drop and then probably worth it.
LOLOL - I couldn't agree more. I had to satisfy that curiosity and I'm glad that I did, as I feel more comfortable now with my R for the time being. I do plan on upgrading eventually, but will wait as you have suggested until there is a reduction in overall cost. Thanks for watching!
I don't think it's a fair comparison... Not everyone is looking for just resolution in camera there are many aspects that pushes people to upgrade to r 6, r 5. It's your personal preference to stick eos r because it works for the kind of photography you do..
Exactly, this "comparison" was so laser-focused on a single photo taken and a single type of photography. I can tell you that the EOS R would fail miserably with what I need, whereas the R5, while not perfect either, performs amazingly well. I'm still waiting to see an actual comparison of something other then photo resolution...oh, the video is over.
I'm not understanding the shade being thrown here. I mean why do you feel it necessary to first - not listen to the beginning of the video and second, just chime in to throw shade and quite frankly be rude? Is this all of the critical thought you have on the matter? Are you limited in your discussion to only being negative and slam folks who are making content on this platform? Nah, I'm not going to engage with you any longer. Clearly you have an agenda that has nothing to do with actually having an intellectual discussion about the content of the video that you are trolling.
I agree with you that there are other peripherals of the R5/6 that would motivate a purchase, besides the megapixels; I stated that at the beginning and reiterated it again during the video. However the megapixels of the camera don't change, regardless of the genre of photography. So your argument that I'm sticking to the R because it fits what I do - is irrelevant. I'm sticking to the R because I don't believe the increase of 15 megapixels is worth a $4,000 purchase. I'm curious - did you watch the whole thing and actually listen, or did you just jump on the comment train?
GVM RGB lights? Great review. I was thinking about going from the R to the R5, but now I'm thinking about spending the money on glass. Great to see someone in the PHX creative community on TH-cam. Keep 'em coming.
Thank you for this great review! Have been hung up on R6 vs R5 and I think you really give the best scientific comparison between the two. The moment you made the R6 layer visible over the 5's was the selling point for me for the 5--unfortunately I won't feel comfortable with the 20 MP. Thank you!
You are most welcome - it just made no sense to me that they would drop the sensor that low (which is the 1dX M3 sensor currently in that final DSLR) when they have 30 in the R and even 26.2 megapixels in the RP. Thanks for watching!
@@RealityReimagined Thanks for posting. Also, mind the fact that the format cropped (which is super35 in cinema, which is the film roll was put sideways, so 24mm width and 14mm height to preserve the 2x3 ratio) gives a deeper depth of field (dof), and has a more "tunnel" like view. While large format, like IMAX, for the same focal length looks "wider" than FF and gets even more shallower (check a dof calculator app). Generally speaking crop sensor vs FF you have to stop about 2 stops to get the same shallowness - so f5.6 on FF would be f2.8 on crop for the same field of view (so if you have a 50mm on FF, and the crop factor is x1.5, you divide 50 by 1.5, and you get 35mm for the crop sensor to have the same field of view, that's the angle of view - that is why going wide on smaller formats is such a pain - and going long and deep, keeping things in focus, is hard on larger formats like IMAX).
The EOS R is a great camera for the price right now, the only thing that bothers me is the single card slot and the lack of joystick. I would rather have 20 megapixels with the R6 with the better autofocus and 4k60 no crop!
Aye I totally hear you and I agree - I just wish that Canon would have thrown in the 30 MP into the R6 and even raise the price a touch - I would have still gone for that. The video options are still what is pulling me toward them (the R5 mainly) but still going to wait and see what is on the line up for 2021. Thanks for watching!
Excellent review David! I am seriously considering an upgrade and retiring my 5D MK III (I currently use the 5D MK IV with the III as a backup....) With all the data of the R5, I am wondering what kind of system upgrades I would need to make to handle all that??
Thank you so much my friend! The RAW files produced from the R5 shouldn't be too much bigger than the 5D MK IV. The file format is a bit different and that is the only thing that required an update from Photoshop or other digital editors, to be able to process the file format itself. Photoshop is becoming a bit more graphics heavy than processor heavy, so I would look to that first to upgrade. Memory is also key and the newer DDR5 memory is pretty fast. I'm going to make a video this week with my recommendations for computer hardware, for photographers - since Black Friday is rapidly approaching. :) Thanks for watching!
I like the amount of light balanced against an aperture of F11 - anything lower (or higher) doesn't give quite the amount of light that I'm used to :) I go for very low ISO when I have to shoot wider than F3.2 and then attempt to balance the rest with shutter, diffusion, etc. Thanks for watching!
they say that the 1080p at 120fps is coming to the R5 in a firmware update ! not sure when though :) but im looking at the R5 from the R too but I want a sharper image and focus bracketing also think this will be my last camera and Ive never had the best so I'm treating myself to one just before I retire ( early ) so I can just go out and enjoy taking photos also will get me out of the house lol
REALLY?! Wow, that's going to change the map for me a little. And I think that is a wonderful idea to not only treat yourself now, but celebrate a career as well. The R5 is a great camera and will serve you well for a considerable amount of time to come. Thanks for watching and thank you for the information!
Oh I hear you and I completely understand. I'm working on a new video that I will share hopefully this week, to update everyone about my upgrade to the R5, but also some interesting advice that was given to a workshop set of students, by a prominent photographer in our industry. Essentially they told everyone that if they are coming from the DSLR series of Canon cameras, they should consider buying new RF lenses, over the new mirrorless bodies. You still need a new mirrorless to use the RF with, but in regard to budget it makes sense to spend your budget on a good RF lens and get a more affordable R or R6, vs the R5. The R5 was recommended if you are interested in doing video work, as it is a vast leap forward from the R and has some better options (slightly) than the R6. Thanks for watching!!
Very helpful. Thanks for sharing. You helped me with my decision 👍 Out of curiosity, what is your mic setup for this video? Your sound quality is clean.
The Canon rumor mill is running strong that there will be two to three new bodies for 2021 - one of which is supposedly not a R - Mark II, but is sort of an R - Mark II. Definitely waiting to see what they have in store and will most likely upgrade next summer :) In regard to the mic - it's a SHURE SMB7 connected to a GoXLR Mini. The audio is pretty clean coming from the mixer and then I add just a touch of equalization in the edit. :) Thanks for watching!
I was shooting on the 5d4 and would not use the R professionally because of the single slot. (Although There is a lot I prefer over 5d4) I was considering an R6 as a backup, but after a few months with the R5 I decided to get a second R5 instead :) the IBIS, AF, dynamic range, 14-20 fps, CFExpress cards, and RF lenses have made work really enjoyable - for me the R5 is really worth saving extra for, and waiting for a great deal
Aye I was definitely targeting the R5 for everything that you have mentioned - plus the video options that seem to have caused too many issues. Holding out now until later this year to see what they reveal, then will go for the R5 :) Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for watching!
Why upscale the R6 and R to match the R5? Most people will downsize the files anyway if not printing large. You should do a test downsizing to 4000 long. Most people who post on the web are downsizing to 2048 long. I’m curious to see all three cameras downsized to 2048 long and then see what the difference is. Do a test outside and then inside at higher iso between all three.
Aye I agree - this first test was to show the variance in overall pixel definition and how that can relate to Photoshop work. A second demo would be rad to do, with the suggestions you've made. If I can get my hands on the two bodies (without having to rent them) then I will definitely go forward with it :) Thanks for watching!
Very nicely done. Looking at all 3. Coming from Canon 5D iii the r by far seems to be the correct camera for now. More money for that rf glass, bodies change glass lasts a lot longer. Thank you
Right on and I love that you are seeing the wisdom to upgrade the glass over the senors. The optics of the RF system (when combined with the R/RP/R6/R5/R3) are hands down a massive upgrade from the EF line and the DSLR systems. I've been using the RF 24-70 F2.8 and now the RF50mm 1.2 Both are amazing lenses and well worth the dollars invested. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for watching!
thank you. I finally know that the r6 it's not for me. The ibis is a great feature, but that lose of details it's huge step back from my eos R. Thanks!!
One of the viewers commented that if you turn the R6 image to a Smart Object and scale it up in Photoshop, the details come closer to matching the R. It's an extra step and I'm going to test it a bit to see how I feel about it, but it may be an alternative option if you ever do want to go the route of buying the R6. Thanks for watching!
Did you upscale the r6 image? I got an r6 and it's a lot sharper than your image. Actually, your image looks upscale from 20 megapixels to 30. I think you should have compared 20 megapixels with 20 megapixels so, downscale the 30 and 45 megapixels to 20 and check the result. If you want to upscale 20 to 30, you should use real software and not photoshop (like Gigapixel AI).
I hear where you are coming from, however I'd like to establish again the main platform of what this video was meant to show. Simply put, we more often than not, want to take our base images SOOC and generally push them further and enlarge them, not reduce them. So a comparison of the base file and the pixels at hand, is the best starting place to show that. I also challenge the statement that Photoshop is not real software when it comes to resizing an image. Keep in mind, I'm not sponsored by Adobe at all nor do I think I ever will, mainly because I will tell the truth about how they make a lot of mistakes every year with their software and business practices. I've also have been using Topaz's software for many, many years and I think they do a great job. I also think their software is very circumstantial to get amazing, consistent results. This is where Adobe has outpaced the other markets. I'm glad you've clearly gotten value out of Gigapixel and I would hope you can understand that AI is amazing, but simply is not the margin to define "real" software.
That's a hard question to answer :) I think they are both strong cameras for photography, it's just a question of your budget and how long you want to keep the camera. I have the EOS R and won't be switching to the R6. I will consider the R5 eventually, but Canon is also releasing new cameras in 2021 that might change things. Hope that helps and thank you for watching!
El R6 es una mejora del R, principalmente con el software. Las opciones de detección de ojos y video son mucho mejores que las de la R. La calidad de imagen es ligeramente mejor desde la R que desde la R6. Ahora estoy usando el R5 y me encanta la calidad de imagen y el software. ¡Espero que eso ayude!
Unique comparison. I am using The Canon R professionally. My clients are happy with the results. I have considered the R6. However revenue has been uneven after the pandemic.the R5 is more than my planned expenses. I now don’t feel like I am missing out with the R6. The R with native rf lines is amazing despite the hate.
Aye - I completely agree. The R was and still is a great camera body and yes the intrinsic value of all of the options available in the R5/6 over the R definitely makes it a great choice to upgrade. However the "night and day difference" just isn't as strong as the marketing lead on. But to be completely transparent, I'm in the process of selling my R after three years of loving use, to upgrade to the R5. I do not want to move to the R3 and I want the video options available in the R5 :) Thanks for watching!!
Man great info here, I juat switch from Nikon to the EOS R and I love it, ill focus on RF lenses for now need to get the Trinity, 50mm 1.2, and a real macro RF lens.
I generally try to shoot studio light portraits at ISO 400 or lower, depending on the mood of the lighting. For this demonstration I chose to use the LED lights because I stated up front in the video, that I wanted to see how well the cameras were doing in gel photography as that is one of my main revenue streams and also was a good test of seeing how the cameras handle color and the pixel quality of that color. I'm considering renting them again and doing just straight normal lighting tests and also natural light as well. Would that be helpful to watch? Also - thanks for watching this one!
I have the R6 and R. R6 for fast Birds,Sport etc but the R for Landscape etc But at some stage i would like to get the R5 which to me combines Both R and R6.. The focus on the 6 is Super compared to the R..
That was a really good video and something that I had not seen anyone on TH-cam compare, so thank you for that. I'm hoping that you can point me in the right direction with my question. I'm debating between the three cameras as well. I basically take photos and post them on Instagram and I really don't have any worthwhile lenses that would carry over to these three cameras. The photos that I post on Instagram are of freight and passenger trains that go from 0mph to 70mph. Presently, I have a Canon T6 with the kit lenses and the pictures aren't as clear as I see some others post online. If you have any thoughts on what would be best, I'm all ears. Thanks for your time.
Right on - thank you for the kind words about the video, I appreciate it! Given what you are capturing and the speed at which you may have to take the shot, I wonder if what would help you to get sharper images is the settings first, more so than new gear? Gear will make a difference for sure, but what shutter speed/aperture are you shooting at when you capture the trains moving at higher speeds? Gear recommendation - I would probably go with the R6 since that would be the most stable upgrade from the Canon T6. The money you would save by purchasing the R (over the R6) could help you get a new lens, but depending on your budget, I would go for the better AI and software that is in the Canon R6. The R is a great, great choice too and nothing wrong there if you go with that. Upgrade the lens and you are in business. Let me know about the settings and let's keep talking. Thanks for watching!
I added a like just off your opening line. Lol. But subscribed because this was the best comparison and what felt like the most honest comparison I’ve seen regarding canons mirrorless lineup. I have a 6d Mark ii. I was looking to make the jump to mirrorless. Was disappointed in the MP count in the R6. I was trying to decide between r6 and the R... you sold me on the R.
Lolol - right on, most appreciated! I went from the 6D M2 myself to the R and I was so incredibly pleased with the massive jump in quality of the imagery I was capturing. I do think the R6 has a lot of great features and the newer AI eye detection is better than the R. Some of the viewers have commented that if you turn the R6 image into a Smart Object and increase the size of the image to match one from the R, they appear similar to each other. I have yet to test that, but I still feel that out of the gate, the extra 10 megapixels is a boon and is also $700 less :) Thanks for watching!
I was looking at getting the R6 but after seeing this video and I think I may go for the R because I am going to focus a little more of Photography instead of video.
I do think the R is a very strong camera and the R6 has a lot to offer for photography (dual card slots, IBIS, etc. ) but the R shouldn't be pushed out the door quite yet. There are rumors that three new camera bodies are coming in 2021 and one of them is supposedly the R Mark 2 (even thought it won't be called that) so it might be a good idea to wait a touch :) Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for watching!
Oh wow...I was already to say the R until you said weddings. One of the biggest requested features from the masses, for the R5/6 was dual card slots, precisely for one-off events like a wedding. Not having that second card slot is a dangerous risk with something like wedding photography. In all of the years that I photographed weddings, I never had a card fail. However it does happen and it can be devastating to your client and your business. I believe the R is a better camera than the R6, in regard to the over all quality of the image. However the R6 will be a better camera for weddings due to the dual card slots, the video capabilities (if you ever decide to go that route) and the improvements on the processor. I wish I could definitively tell you to get one over the other, but I can't. They are both good cameras and the above mentioned criteria is the only thing I can offer in the way of advice. Thanks for watching and good luck on your new wedding work!
I hear you - I really do, but don't get too down on yourself about it :) It's hard to balance the right investment of glass, vs camera and so forth. So many factors come into play and sadly, they ALL are important in some shape or form. The R6 is a good camera, for sure and hopefully you can migrate over to the RF as soon as you can and take one further step forward :) Thanks for watching!
Thanks for this comment. Im STUCK between upgrading my Rp or getting glass. I have the EF 50mm 1.4. and was wonder if i should have get the R or R6. Do you see a major mindblowing difference with the R6 and 85 f2 than your RP?
The resolution of 20MP is enough for my needs. To make a comparisment that makes any sense you should have recalculated the higher res images to 20MP instead of blowing the 20 MP up to and rezising the 45 MP down to 30 and next to this you compared all of it at 200%. First one should ask what res he/she really needs. If 20MP is enough, one should scale the hiigher resolutions down and compare all three results at 100%. At ISO 1600 there is the different image prozessor visible, showing a warmer and mor platic-like result at the R. But If I do this comparisment at ISO 6400 (which I often need) or higher I find the R6 IQ is definitly better than the R´s. But both are blown away by the R5´s result. But I belong to the group of people, who can/want not afford an R5 and do not want to handle the bigger files. I do not work for any customer, who needs 45 MP and wants to pay for it (yet).
Aye I definitely see where you are coming from and can understand. I just generally feel that regardless of what your clients needs are, the likely hood of you needing to upscale an image is far greater of a possibility than needing to downscale. So having more data to work with, will help that end result. But again the R6 is a good camera for sure and I'm glad that it is putting a modern, mirrorless body into the hands of folks who can use it for a few years to come. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for watching!
Good and well-argued decision. I bought the EOS R this summer. Beside the price my argument was that I knew that this camera could take really good professional pictures and if I was not able to get the results I wanted, It for sure was not because of the camera, but because of my lack of skills. I just have try harder. I like to know that my good results are a product of my skillset and not a product of a semi-automated camera. By selfish reasons, I am happy you are not upgrading, now I can continue to copy your camera setting in my learning process and expect similar results... or by second thought.. maybe not.. I´m not even close to be at your level..... yet... I am looking forward to the upcoming gel video :-D.
This is a wonderful statement and one that makes me proud to see you acknowledging. I fully support getting the right gear that you feel confident in, but also realizing that the camera is only one-third of the equation to great photography. You need the lighting scenario/pattern and of course your own imagination and creativity. It takes courage to take on that responsibility to understand that if the image isn't what you expected, it isn't the fault of the camera. :) I've begun scripting out the flow of the videos that will be a look into my process as an artist and photographer. Both for natural light, studio lighting and gelled lighting. Thank YOU for inspiring me to create this upcoming content and eager to get your thoughts on it, when it's live. Thanks for watching!
The resolution difference is an issue, but for most uses the 20MP sensor is just fine. Most people will not be zooming 500% into their images. Other than the resolution, the R6 is a better camera overall than the R, particularly with regard to dynamic range and autofocus. The R6 has the same sensor as the 1DX mkIII and you don't really see anyone complaining about the resolution. It's one of the best sensors Canon has put out. It doesn't beat out the R5, but of course you have to spend some serious cash to get the R5.
Aye I agree that the R6 has a lot of good functionality that rivals or tops the R - especially with the new AI AF. However the comparisons to the 1DX M3 being a benchmark, I think will soon be out-dated as well. Canon is clearly pushing forward with mirrorless and there are now rumors that 2021 will see a followup to the 1DX M3 and it will be curious to see what sensor is put into that body. Also looking at Sony and their newly launched bodies this summer, as well as the new bodies for 2021, they are pushing above 20mp as a baseline. I guess what I'm hoping folks do is to begin to think about "the new normal" in regard to how far their images can go. More and more folks are pushing their artwork beyond the norms of the past, as new software takes advantage of all the new gear's capabilities. Time will tell. Thanks for watching!
@@RealityReimagined I definitely understand the desire for more resolution. As an R owner, I wrestled with the decision to buy an R6. And honestly, I'm still tempted to take it back and get an R5 just for some future-proofing. I haven't decided yet. In most image comparisons I've seen up to 100% crop, there isn't a lot of difference between the R5 and R6 in normal conditions. I'm trying to let that be my guide. As long as I fill the frame and don't crop a lot, which I don't, I should be fine. But I kind of worry that some day I'll need to crop a lot and I'll notice the drop in resolution.
wouldn't use a R5 and have a look at Canon EOS R5 on the CameraVille youtube channel (Canon R5 vs Nikon Z7 vs Pentax K1- Comparison) read the R5 manual on when the battery level drops under 70%, shutter speed drops to 5fps and AF misses a lot
Oh wow - I will definitely take a look at the video and see what's up. I wonder if the new battery they made for the Canon was the main issue? Thanks for watching my video and for the heads up!
@@RealityReimagined I would hope it would be fixed with a firmware update for anyone that has one. I was shocked that no one has said anything about it but they wouldn't use it with a battery under 70% testing and most wouldn't need the high FPS. your video just turned up and just seeing what people think of new cameras if and when i upgrade but think ill be staying with my Pentax K70 as its still doing a great job for me.
Hi, nice video but I am going to disagree to a point. I have the R and recently added the R5 and I think if you had have used an RF lens (85 f1.2 or the 28-70 f2) in your comparisons the difference would have been easier to see. The EF lens were never designed to resolve that amount of detail so the images are closer than they actually are. I have looked at two images side by side in fixed lighting using these lenses and the R5 not only is much sharper it has better noticeably dynamic range than the R too and therefore you don’t need to push the image as hard in post. Worth renting and seeing the difference as it is clearly far superior. Also the massive difference in autofocus speed and agility between the R and R5, not withstanding the functionality all adds to the package and explains the difference in price, beyond just looking at megapixel differences on glass both cameras were not designed to be used with to maximise their performance.
First off - thank you for watching the video and for offering the advice and information! I am definitely intrigued and did wonder about the lens being an issue. My feeling was that if the lens was the same on all three bodies, then a sense of control could be established for this "experiment" and that the results would yield some sort of comparison. However I hear what you are saying and will absolutely try this. I do not currently have the R5 or an RF lens, so I will have to rent them again. However I am up for that cost to explore the possibilities. Thank you for this "challenge" and excited to see the results - will share them here as soon as I can!
It depends on what you are shooting. For wildlife/bird/action photography, the R5 reigns supreme from Canon. The Eye AF, AF tracking, and 45 mp are worth every penny. I recently took a Hooded Merganser picture (catching crawfish) and cropped 75% of it and it still has good detail.
Oh I completely agree - the new AI eye detection for humans and animals is amazing and I sincerely wish they would have updated the firmware into the R. The R is very much a viable candidate for this line up and I can't imagine that the sensor and processor changed so much to allow for the new AI. We'll see, I guess, but I doubt they will keep the new software in the newer models to incentivize the upgrade. Thanks for watching!
Right on - this is my actual office and not a backdrop. That figure talks to you when you walk past it and for years it was at the front entrance of our portrait studio. I wanted our clients to know that they were in the presence of a nerd and set the tone for the adventure we might take :) Thanks for watching!
I agree completely with your analysis. If Canon had made the R6 with 30MP, I would probably have sold my R and bought the R6. But, since they did not, I’m not willing to give up the resolution for the added features of the R6, and the price jump to the R5 is just to high for me. So, I’ll keep my beloved R!!!
Aye it still baffles me that they made this choice and I know the retort from so many is "the R6 has the same sensor as the 1DX Mark 3!" That's not enough for me. Just because that sensor was put into a DSLR a few years back and they still charge $6k for that body, means nothing. It's short on the MP and the R is still a great camera. However to be upfront and fair, I've upgraded (since the recording of that video) to the R5 - which was my plan all along, for the video options. Loved my R and would happily still shoot with one as it's just dandy for photography - the video options aren't, compared to the R5/6. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for watching!!
Your results are completely in line with my experience of the R6. Thanks for doing this video and being so honest. Buying the R6 was a tough decision for me. Since I use my camera for video a lot too, the video and autofocus specs made me go with the R6. I am very happy with my choice, but it was a also a budget choice, since I would never pay the price of the R5 for a camera body (as an enthusiast!) and I would rather get a great lens. Like they say date your camera body, but marry your lenses. But yeah, sometimes I feel like I should have bought the R5, but than I remember that no one besides people that pixel peep will ever notice the difference! Canon sure does play bad pschological games with us ;)
Right on and I'm glad you made the choice that you did. The R6 is not a bad camera at all, but those dollars saved from the R5 can be used for better glass, as you've stated. Plus it seems like the R market is about to get even further saturated with small little changes among various models, which is one of the more worse practices from Canon. They make various bodies that are slightly different from one another and confuse the market. If I didn't have such an expense, I would switch to Sony. ;) Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!
I have an R, and it’s a great little camera. So good, in fact, that I have seen nothing else from the Canon full frame mirrorless range that would tempt me to upgrade. I really don’t shoot video, so I need no more than the R offers, and there is no point in my considering the R5 at that price. The R6 just doesn’t tick enough boxes. There is, of course a rumour of a possible R5S, fewer video features and lots more pixels and photo features. Now *that* would be tempting.
I totally hear you on this and I agree - the R is a good camera that stands its ground with the R6. However I have to believe that there will be a lot to the rumors of the R5S, since Sony just launched the A1 and it is definitely setting the bar higher than the current r5 can touch. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and thanks for watching!
I am buying a replacement form my old 6D mark I and was/am concerned about the low megapixel number in R6. But this is a huge difference, R6 compared to other two is like out of focus. :) Still will have to live with that. Drawbacks of R just doesn't justify buy R and not R6. The AF and the IBIS is so much better in R5/6, since I don't earn money with photography R5 is out of question. :)
Aye - I completely agree with you and I do think that coming from a 6d Mark 1 to the R6 is the better choice. There are just too many upgrades (as you've mentioned) that will carry you longer than what the R can offer. I was using two 6d Mark 1's before I moved up to the R and I know from experience, you'll love the R6 :) Thanks for watching!
The showed comparison is telling nothing. The 20 MP are enough to work with. If you will compare the resolution between the R6 and R, you will not notice a big difference. You have to test it on stationary objects and not on a person which is moving where small lighting changes can affect the perceptual sharpness by minor contrast changes (caused by lighting)
@@tomasvidziunas5543 no it's not! Because if she moves the head a little bit and there is than a little bit less light on various spots on the face then it could look even on the more megapixel camera a little bit out of focus.
According to Canon's spec the R can shoot up to 8 fps in Raw (in AI Servo) and 5fps in one shot. I believe the R6 has improved on that, due to IBIS. Hope that helps and thanks for watching!
Thanks for a great visual review! I've been using a Sony A6300 for the past 5 years and have been debating making the jump to my first full frame for a quite while now. I desperately want to switch to Canon and have been completely torn between the R and R6. (In all honesty I still am!) My logic, go for a used R and spend the money on the RF glass. However, I have reservations about the autofocus and lack of IBIS. I had a play with an R about 18 months and actually found the autofocus really frustrating :/ heeelp
Oh boy - do I hear you on this and I have to agree. The AI focus is great in the R, as long as the person is standing flat to you, they aren't wearing sunglasses and you have good lighting. Otherwise you more often than not have to help out the AI by targeting the region of their face and tell the camera to follow it. Then it locks onto the eye. I have had the most issues with side-profile images and only one eye for detection. Sadly it also wants to jump to what it perceives as the most "in detail object" near to the camera so things like walls and trees, it will try to focus on that and then move back to the eye. That has been improved with the R6/R5 and the new version of the AI. IBIS is going to be helpful, but in my experiences only with either very low light conditions or if you plan on doing any film-making. Since you are making the brand leap, I feel like the best option is to get the R6 since it is the best they have to offer right now. However I STRONGLY urge you to wait a couple of months if you can, since the new bodies are on their way. No idea when they will be released, but it will effect the price point by a little. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for watching!
@@RealityReimagined Thanks for your detailed reply, I really value your advice! I take such a varied range of shots, from family sessions with my young neice and nephew, to some landscape, to sports, to emergency services in action (I'm volunteer SAR lifeboat crew). I think I would end up getting frustrated with the R in those fast moving situations and missing alot of shots. Sensible me is saying 'wait it out, used prices are so high right now and new bodies are coming'...the heart is saying 'BUY ONE, BUY IT RIGHT NOW!'
This is a very limited review. The difference between the R, R5 and R6 for photographers is more than just the resolution and noise. I agree that R is a much better camera than the social media made it look when it appeared. But I do think that the R6 has a lot of advantages over the R in many situations. Better autofocus, probably the best on the market, more advanced image stabilisation with the added in-body stabilisations and the innovative way in which lens based and sensor-based collaborate, again probably the best system in the market at that price., faster shooting, ... My R is sometimes a bit slow even though the majority of my pictures are not action shots. My bet is that the fact that cannon didn’t use the sensor of the R for the R6 but chose the lower resolution one from the 1Dx mark III is because the readout speed of the sensor of the R is too low to reach the shooting speeds they wanted to reach with the R6. It may in fact be the readout speed that also causes the strong crop at 4K and not the lack of processing power. After all the M6 mark II has the same processor but can handle about the same amount of pixels at higher FPS for photography and I believe it also does full frame 4K video.
I hear you and I'm curious - did you listen to the beginning of the video? I explained that there are several other reviews of the cameras on the platform that cover all of the specs and their strengths and weaknesses. I decided to focus my review down to a few aspects that are applicable for my work and also discuss one of the talking points about the sensor. Yep the R6 has dual card slots, new stuff and so forth - mentioned that. So since you didn't listen to that part - any thoughts you want to share on the sensor resolution and the variance to megapixels you want to discuss with us?
Given these three choices I would choose... My EOS 6D Mark II. The camera I already have and love. (Mirrorless has a LOOOOOOOOOOONG way to go for me to even think of switching out my trusty DSLR's)
Aye I hear you - I do have a soft spot for my 6D, but I urge you to maybe rent a mirrorless just to get a feel for the camera and the AI. It might add more angst to the choices :) Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for watching!
@@RealityReimagined I'm sure I'll revisit the idea again at some point. I use live view mode for low stuff pretty frequently because lowering my hands is just easier than having my face on the ground. But, I just love a good, clear, natural looking viewfinder with no extras. And I like the chonk, too. First DSLR was an EOS-1 Ds so what I use now feels tiny!
This by far--is the most intelligent, thorough, and extrapolated comparison I have watched comparing all of the models! Thank You! 😁
Right on!! I'm glad it helped and thank you for the kind words - thanks for watching!!
My biggest issue with the EOS R was the shadow noise and pattern noise when pulling shadows. I had the 5DIV and could push and pull those files, even at higher ISOs, and never had the problems I had with the R. That was really the only reason I sold the R (and some video limitations) and now await a new camera, probably the R5.
I didn't see any colour differences here with the R6 vs the R/R5 like some people are talking about.
Aye I hear you - I've heard from countless folks that the 5DMIV handled noise in the shadows incredibly well. I have noticed on some higher ISO shots that there are a few artifacts in the shadows, when they are pulled out. I do feel like the R5 handles that a bit better than the R. And colors were spot on, with all three cameras :)
Thanks for watching!
@@RealityReimagined Yes I got my hands on Raw files from the R5 and it is now better at shadow recovery and noise than the 5DIV which is all I was wanting. However that $5400 price tag here in Canada has me playing the waiting game. The R5 is apparently outselling supply, so I have a sad feeling price drops won't be any time soon.
Since we all process our photos and Photoshop has super resolution enhancement that makes the photo four times larger, I'm not sure image size and pixel count matters near as much as it used to.
I also have the EOS R . And now I'm loving it, I was Contemplating upgrading but I'm not now. Thanks David.
Aye me too! I really wanted that R5 and may still get it somewhere down the road. It will be for video first, but knowing that image is slightly better, makes me feel much more comfortable with the R, for now :) Thanks for watching!
Agree! I will just keep saving the money for glass!
The sensor in the R6 that you are complaining about is the same sensor as the $6500. 1 DX Mk 3 according to Canon website. The only difference is the 1DX uses an optical AA filter. The processor is the same in both cameras. This is the camera that is used for NFL, NBA, MLB, games. Also the Olympics and soccer all around the world. A well known photographer the shoots for NASA and Space X uses the 1DX mk 3 and an R6. You might want to rethink that demonstration to something real world like making prints.
So one of the major advantages of the 1D M3 over all other current/modern camera bodies is the FPS burst that the camera can capture. Hence why it's used a lot for action photography of any kind. However it has often been stated in reviews for several months that the megapixel variation between the R and the 1D M3 positioned the former for more broad ranges of genres of photography and the latter being applicable to action. However this review was a comparison of mirrorless cameras, which I think its fair to say is the future direction of digital cameras, from all major brands. I do not see the relevance of using a DSLR and its price point as a measurement of how the R6 compares to the R and R5 - which again is clearly what is on the minds of most photographers who are looking at upgrading their Canon gear.
In regard to prints - I will leave that comment on the second you made on the video.
the best comparison period!!! I've literally seen all the comparison videos as i was confused to upgrade to R to a point where it wad keeping me up at night. Thankyou so much ❤️
Right on I'm glad it helped and thank you for watching!!!
When you zoom out to 100% at 18:15 the R6 looks amazing! Zooming in 300% or 400% isn’t really a good comparison between the image quality since no one ever views images this way. Interesting to see these compared though. Thanks for the video!
Aye I agree that the common use of the images will never been that cropped in - for the average portrait photographer and potentially what they sell to clients. However, I do feel that it is relevant to analyze the pictures that close in, due to how much Photoshop is changing and embracing larger files as well as other graphics programs, etc. I see in my education travels, a lot of folks going in various directions with their images and my hope in showing them this video, is that they will make good decisions about the full offering of their camera :)
Thank you for commenting and watching - most appreciated!
Woow this was definitely the best comparison of these three cameras. Big thanks for the help! 👏
You are most welcome and to update - I've now upgraded to the R5, again mainly for the video options. However a mentor and highly influential member of the industry (and a Canon Explorer of Light) recently said that the R is still a great camera and that if you currently use one, to invest in new RF lens - if you don't plan on doing video. Making a new video soon discussing the R5. Thanks for watching!
I saw your test then I tried comparing the R and the R6 with the same method you did. (Upscaling the R6 with smartobject enabled to match the R in photoshop using nearly identical images) my results were that I tried to look for the difference but I can't seem to find anything significant that you did even when zooming in at 300%.
That's a great idea to use the R6 image as a smart object and then match it in physical size to the R. I will give that a test on the various genre images I captured and see what's what. Perhaps that's the strength of the Digic X? The data can be realigned with a new image size, once you convert to smart objects. Thanks for watching and the heads up!
The R5 was never really a consideration for me mainly because of cost, but I had been debating on moving from my EOS R to the R6. I primarily photograph landscapes, city scapes, and night sky so I thought maybe losing 10 mp wouldn't be that big of a deal if other aspects of the R6 were a significant upgrade. But it appears that for now keeping the R makes the most sense and continue adding to my RF lens selection. If the R6 had a 30mp sensor, paying $700 to get Digic X, IBIS, and the autofocus upgrades would be worth it and I would make the change in a heartbeat.
Aye I couldn't agree more and that was why I was so shocked when they announced the R6 as a 20mp camera. I thought for sure that the R6 was going to be, essentially the R Mark 2. Paying $700 for IBIS alone would be worth it, imo :) However there are new rumors that an R Mark 2 is launching next year... Thanks for watching!
I am in the exact same boat, I ahve an R I love it, though its limited for video (only)
I had enough money to get the R5, So i rather got an RF 35 1.8mm so i couldnt afford it straight up
Now I am having fun with new glass on an OLD body which most will say is better in the long term cause you can always upgrade the body later
You won’t notice the difference in megapixels unless you make large prints. I have an R and a R6. I can make 16x20 prints with both cameras and they look the same. If you shoot in a studio or on a tripod for landscapes the R is great. When you need the extreme speed of focusing and frames per second the R6 is a killer. Different tools for different jobs.
The average client isn't going to notice major pixel variations in a 16x20 print - for sure. That's certainly food for thought, however I think the argument here is the overall capabilities of the camera itself and its applicable uses for the future of any given photographer's needs. Is the average, basic studio photographer going to enjoy those extra pixels on the basic sale? Maybe and that's the whole point of investing in current modern gear that will be able to last at least four years until the next major round of cameras from Canon. Also think about the modern photographer and the plethora of education that is out there. Photographers are experimenting with all types of genres, all types out output for their artwork. I see a lot of folks who are entering into image competitions across the world. A stronger amount of pixels and data will help that artwork, vastly over a softer display. The strengths and advantages of an "all around" camera will serve the vast majority better than focusing it down to one or two specific genres and letting that limitation be the guide as to what is the "best camera."
Thanks for watching!
WRONG!! there is a massive difference in megapixels if your a wildlife (especially birds) shooter....when you are heavily cropping on most, if not all of your shots!! www.flickr.com/photos/130542709@N06/51102508241
Great perspective. I've been on the fence as well. I think you've done a great job at clarifying and solidifying my upgrade debate. Thank you! You earned a new subscriber. Bravo.
Right on and at the risk of tossing in more doubts, there are three new camera bodies coming this year. The early rumors suggest that one will be a low grade (full frame) replacement for the RP, the second could be a replacement for the R and the final is supposed to be a massive megapixel camera that will focus more on the sensor for photography than video. Potentially a replacement for the 1dX M3 - which shares the same sensor with the R6. If this new camera becomes THE sports camera, then most of the arguments in favor the R6 will be moot.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, for subbing and watching!!
One of the best reviews of these three cameras on TH-cam! I'm not a photographer but would watch your channel every day and twice on Sunday! Well done sir!
Right on - thank you so much for the kind words and welcome to the adventure!
THANK YOU for this demonstration. Finally...video number 768 in my viewing of absolutely everything on TH-cam comparing the R, the R6 and the R5 finally breaks my upgrade fever. I love my R so much, but whenever I watch videos about the 5 and 6, I get excited about the faster autofocus and a couple more stops of dynamic range and stabilisation and....not much more! The R5 is really visibly a class better but so expensive, then I see the R6 images and like you I think the R is overall way better for the money. But that autofocus....lol... Rinse, repeat. This video has finally broken the cycle cause it has to be about value for money and by THAT measure, the 4K currently overheating in my bank account is gonna stay there till the prices come down and I see what the firmware updates have brought to the table for the R5. Thanks again! Happy new subcriber.
First off - thank you so much, I appreciate the kind words about the video and the channel :) I am 100% in agreement with you and since the release of the video, I've talked to a lot of folks that are urging the push for the R5. It is a better camera, for sure, but like you I'm waiting to see the firmware updates before I drop the $4k :) Thanks for watching and subbing!
after a year of this excellent video. do you still feel the same?
Thank you for this question and inquiry - apologies on the delay in response. Since the time of this recording I've now switched to the R5 and use all RF glass exclusively. I can safely say that what I love the most is the software in the R5, vs the R. And with the recent announcement of the R6 Mark 2 being a slight increase in megapixel count, but a massive change to the software, I feel that Canon is focusing most of their innovation on faster AI responses/functionality rather than hardware improvements. There are definitely hardware improvements, but the impact they have to general photography vs the software, is a massive leap.
I initially wanted the R5 for video options more than megapixel count. Now seeing the capabilities of the R6 M2 which has more useful and advantageous elements to video than the R5 - I'm truthfully a bit disappointed in Canon. I'm hoping they will include some of these video options in a firmware/software update to the R5 and that will dictate final thoughts.
All in all - the cameras are good, it's just a question of the software :) Thank you so much for watching and sharing your thoughts!
Thank you for the comparison. I made my choice towards R, and I don't regret any dollar I spent on it. I also had a possibility to use R5 and R6 during my photoshoots with EF and RF lenses and found R6 in terms of customization a bit more limited than R5, but when I jumped into the settings for my R, I found them more than sufficient to quickly change modes.
What I noticed is that the noice of R fits me better. I mean how the noice looks, it adds something I cannot explain to how I edit and the outcome looks fantastic.
Autofocus in R5 and R6 is quicker, it follows animals. But I don't shoot them. I shoot portraits in motion, and for my old friend EF 85 1.2 the capabilities of focus in R where more than enough (I definitely found EF 85 better than RF, it makes the pictures more aerial).
What I did wrong buying my R was that I spent so much time not having it in my bag
One card slot can be a significant con for those who store images twice. But… I've been using Canon EOS 6D and 6D II for many years, and have never been facing issues with my 1 card available for storing images in the camera (never used cheap cards, only SanDisk and Transcend).
The EVF is different. In R it's slower comparing to DSLRs, but it's not significantly worse then in R5, I could not see any significant advantage in R5.
So thank you once again for giving the simple but catchall comparison between images.
Anyway, for those who are to make the choice yet, don't jerk out to your photo gear, develop with what you have it something not «best».
I always remember what 1900 said in the end of the movie «The Legend of 1900»:
Take piano: keys begin, keys end. You know there are 88 of them. Nobody can tell you any different. They are not infinite. You're infinite.... And on those keys, the music that you can make... is infinite. I like that. That I can live by....
You rolled out in front of me a keyboard of millions of keys, millions and billions of keys that never end. And that's the truth Max, that they never end. That keyboard is infinite... and if that keyboard is infinite, then on that keyboard there is no music you can play. You're sitting on the wrong bench.... That is God's piano.
Christ, did you... did you see the streets, just the streets? There were thousands of them! Then how you do it down there, how do you choose just one... one woman, one house, one piece of land to call your own, one landscape to look at, one way to die...?
So, photographers, create with your 88 keys the infinite music!
I am so thankful that you took the time to share this beautiful analogy and words of wisdom! Truly our goal is to just create the art and whatever chosen tool we use, isn't as important as what we do with them to make that infinite music. So incredibly beautiful and thank you so very much for sharing!!
Unfortunately, many beginners watch tones of reviews, trying to find one with a description which camera will have the magic button "make a masterpiece" :)
are they ever going to do a firmware update to allow 1080 @ 120 fps on the r5?
Aye - I thought it had already come out? Maybe I'm misremembering, but thought it had been released a month or so ago?
@@RealityReimagined Oh just wondering I wanted to find out before I buy this camera
Great comparison of the R and R6. Owning both of them myself and having done a good amount of pixel peeking I wonder if there was an AF or other issue with your particular example image. If I put my images side by side the difference in pixel count is visible. But my R6 images are as sharp as the R ones not showing such a noticeable softness - also given that the identical lense and settings are used.
Aye I felt the same thing when I prepped the images for the video. I went through a few and found some of the same variance we see in this image example, but definitely will depend on other elements like the lighting, setting/location, etc. Thanks for sharing your experiences and for watching!
I want to upgrade to an R series but do you see my dilemma
I strongly believe that all three R bodies are great cameras (not including the R3, only because I haven't shot with it.) Just depends on budget, what your primary genre is in photography and how long you need the camera to last.
Great thorough review. And yes, I will also stick to my R for a while.
Right on - thanks for watching!
Thanks for the analysis and comparison video. You made the lineup clear as mud... Joking! For me as a landscape photography fan the R6 is perfect!
Right on - I'm glad the R6 is working well for you as it is a good camera indeed. Thanks for watching!
How about a R5 to a R3 comparison video ?
I did a similar test. I actually found a guy who took shots with all 3 cameras in natural light and studio situations for portrait, and also landscape.
In Adobe Camera Raw you can select the MP output of your raw files, so I set them to all to 45 MP. In a "blind" comparison, I could not readily pick out the R5 files vs the R6 or R when viewed at 100% on a 5K monitor. They were all, very, very close.
Further, when I used the Adobe Camera Raw "Enhance/Super Resolution" feature, then output to 45 MP, the R6 files actually looked better/sharper/more detailed than the R5 files.
I sent these outputs (enhanced 45MP R6 vs 45MP R5) to graphic designer friends to be sure, and they also picked the R6 files as being "more detailed" than the R5 files every single time (even when using the best RF85 lens which should not be pushed to its limits by resolution).
In fact what I found was that the lens and the focus accuracy will make a bigger difference in final detail than the advertised camera MP. So any size you can print with the R5, you can print with the R6 with little (Enhance output in ACR) to no (just change output to 45 MP in ACR) effort.
Aye I hear you and the data is one that I think ultimately it boils down to what folks find they need in their art/business. Since the recording of this video I have now switched to the R5 and use RF glass. I love what I see and in many cases the details/data can be too much in certain situations. But that inspires evolution on my part in all facets of how I work with my images and sell them. So innovation/evolution is a good thing :) Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for watching!
Can you do Canon R6 vs Sony A7Siii?
I wish that I could, but I don't have access to a Sony camera. Most of the my friends that are local are all Canon users. However I will keep this in mind and if someone comes along with a Sony A7S3 I will definitely do a vid :)
@Reality Reimagened : It was an amazing video from the begining to the end, thank you so much for sharing your knowledge. I was reading on the comments in order to see if somebody else did the same question I will do... I found a guy who asked you almost the same... sorry for that but I would like to ask almost one year later that you did this video:
What is your point of view at this moment? Did you upgrade to the R6 or the R5? ... at this moment, if you wouldn´t have a camera, wich model would you choose. the R, the R6 or the R5 ??? Thank you in advance :)
Thank you so much for the kind words about the video - I greatly appreciate it! At this stage right now I personally would opt for the R5 for the video options and the megapixels. However the R6 I think is still a very strong candidate, especially if you need a great new lens. Once the R3 hits the market and we see the price points, I suspect that Canon might offer their first discounts on both bodies (the R5 and R6) Depending on supply and demand though, they may not.
There has been a rumored R1 that would be the spiritual successor to the R and my hope is that will get some traction once the R3 is launched. If not, then I would most likely be upgrading to the R5 at the end of this year.
Let me know what you decide for yourself and thank you for watching!
@@RealityReimagined thank you so much for taking the time to answer to my question and to share your knowledge with me. I am motivated to buy the R5, I am a little bit scared because this is going to be my first camera, I have never had one before. I have tried to study it before to buy it and a lot of people states that R6 is better in low light but a lot of people also say that the R5 is better... I have found people who say that the R5 produces RAW with predominant green colors and they state that you will need to dedicate a lot of time trying to fix photos on post production... I suspect that those people don´t know how to use the camera propperly, but I don´t know if my brain is trying to think it just because I would like to buy the camera any way... I appreciate your coments on my concern and your videos. I think I will try to wait until September 15 to know what is next once the R3 has arrived. Have a wonderful weekend!
I noticed u didn't show noise on the R6, it should be less noisy due to the larger pixels would be interested to know if it was the least noisy
The noise variations seemed pretty similar to the R, but I sadly didn't test them at a high ISO to be able to do a comparison. I'm recording a new video this weekend with the R5 against the R and I can test it there, but I didn't rent the R6 again :(
Thanks for the great review and visual representation of the differences between these cameras! This is the review I’ve been looking for! I have two EOS Rs and was trying to decide between the R5 and R6 for upgrades. Now I know the best choice will be invest that money in lenses instead for now. Thanks again and I look forward to seeing more of your content.
Right on and to be completely fair - there are strong advantages to upgrading to the R6 or R5, but Canon is launching three new bodies (rumored) for 2021 and that should change the map a little. New glass is never a bad idea :) Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for watching!
I think it's a good call to not get the R5 right now if you have the R. If you get down to the nitty gritty, the biggest benefits of the R5 are: dual card slots, more pixels, IBIS, better noise control, and better video.
If you're used to and happy with using a single card slot, the 1st point isn't huge, especially since the only way you can use both card slots is to buy a super expensive (comparatively) CF Express card. More pixels really isn't a huge deal unless you're routinely cropping or pushing the image, which you probably won't do as much in a studio setting. IBIS only benefits you if you're shooting hand-held and you're likely to have shaky hands. While I think you can see the better noise control of the R5 and maybe could take advantage of it, it really only starts showing a huge difference once you get into the 6400+ ISO range and if you're in a studio, you'll control the light enough to not have to push it that far. And regardless of whether you're going to be doing a lot of video, truth is that 8k or even 4k isn't actually important. A lot of people get beastly cameras like this and end up just recording to 1080p and upscale anyway because it's easier to work with the files.
So if you're not super compelled right now, then wait for the "R5s" or whatever (90MP mostly stills camera, worse video specs) and see if that's more along what you want. Cameras are just going to get better and better anyhow, so eventually the real "perfect camera" for you will show up.
This - this right here. BEST COMMENT and ADVICE about this process of deciding to buy a new camera. Thank you for sharing this and I completely agree with you. Also thanks for watching!
HOOOOLD UP A MINUTE, first of all, your opinion is based on pixel count?? I've had the Canon EOS R and I upgraded to R6. I've compared both side by side with a tripod, same lens, same settings and you cannot tell the difference in sharpness and to my surprise, the R6 looked even sharper than the R. I'm not sure why it looks so much softer in this video (did you use a tripod for this comparison?). Plus, in the real world, since were shooting handheld most of the time, the IBIS in the R6 vastly improves image sharpness, which you wouldn't get with the R. So, pixel counting aside, IBIS, immensely improved AF (Eye and Subject tracking), 2 card slots, newer sensor makes the R6 a huge upgrade to the R. Now, I don't know if I would spend almost $4K on the R5, I don't think it's worth it. the R6 is extremely sharp and this video does not do it justice. I do want to say though that the R is a great camera, no doubt, and I was also in the same position, should I upgrade or not, then I rented the R6 to try, sold the R a week later and Bought the R6 lol. Here is a link to show you the R6 being sharper than the R. I don't understand why, but it is. www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=458&Camera=1509&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=4&LensComp=458&CameraComp=1221&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=4
Well first of all - I did explain in the beginning that there were other elements to both the R5/6 that make them a good choice for an upgrade. Specifically things like the newer processor, the stronger AI and so forth. I don't think that information is lost on the viewers. IBIS makes a great addition for sure, but it's pure strength is seen in video, not photography. It certainly helps, but it's positioned by Canon for video. The IS in lens has more impact for photography. Many videos on the TH-cam have discussed this as well as the boon of 2 card slots, etc. I wanted to see a video that pixel counted because that was one major element that I didn't find in my research. Hence my video.
Your link showing the lens alignment grid is cool - I went through several images before I selected the ones I used for the video and the R6 was just not as full of detail as the R. I considered making a longer video showing various examples and as I looked at it, it felt like I was bashing the R6 over and over because the evidence of the pixel amount was clear. 20 megapixels is not bad at all - the new Sony is 24 if I'm not mistaken. The average client is not going to notice 20 vs 30 in most of their print order. However, this video was to simply show the variance between these three and discuss one of the major motivators for consumers which is price and what you get for it.
But thank you for watching!
@@RealityReimagined I understand, it's just that I did a similar comparison between the R and R6 and did not get that result. Strange, I don't know. the R6 seemed sharper for some reason. That's why I asked you if you used a tripod, I assume you did. Also I would try comparing in a more lit environment.
Also I DO think the information is lost in viewers because I'm readin everyone'e comment and they are put off upgrading purely cuz of megapixels. The point is we already know less megapixels are gonna show a softer image, what is the point on reiterating that. The major motivators should be everything else, which is worth the upgrade.
Hi David, Thanks for the great comparison. I always enjoyed your video and learnt a lot from it and your other videos too. I am going to buy EOS R and my main goal is to shoot fashion and portraits, as I know the 8 fps drops to 5 fps in continuous AF mode so my only concern is if 5 fps in Continuous AF mode can freeze a model sharply when she jumps, or a walking model in a catwalk or a model walking along the beach toward the camera or walking across the frame? I would highly appreciate you for your valuable time to help me! God bless you! Ali
Thank you so much for the kind words - I greatly appreciate it. :) To answer your question, I really feel that it's a question of your technique on sensing the motion a split second before it happens. I used to photograph a large dance academy. During those years I learned to be able to anticipate movement both while looking through the viewfinder and my peripheral vision. If you know the flow of the event (runway walk, etc.) and know the optimal space where your talent is going to flow through, I believe 5fps should be fine. The image should be sharp, but I do worry that you might be better to look at the R6 or R5. The main reason being the improved AI face detection software.
Since the recording of this video, I have upgraded to the R5 and there is a noticeable difference in how well the camera detects the eyes - WHEN - the subject is profiled to the camera. I still see the R5 locking onto the eye when the model is looking right at the camera (and it can see both eyes) as fast as the R does. But knowing that your work is definitely going to be a lot of motion and you don't always have the chance to have them look right at you - you may need that better software.
The R6 is a considerable jump in price, but over the long run of your work - it might be the best choice.
Let me know if you have any questions and what you chose to do. Thanks for watching!!
@@RealityReimagined Hello David, Thanks a lot for your very detailed explanation and taking your valuable time. according your kind words I think R can do the job but R5 or R6 more powerful in that aspect. Honestly to say I have't so much motion works and mostly I work on shooting portraits but sometimes some movements such as jumping and runway shows happen to be photographed and thus I need it! Maybe I need to ask the model to jump few times that I can achieve the best shot! Of course R5 is good too but I think at this time it adds more pressure on my pocket :)
I really appreciate you for the time you took to help me, very helpful and encouraging! God bless you David and have a great shoot!
Sincerely Yours,
Ali
Thank you David. A reasonable and well-argued rational. We too owned the R prior to facing this same conundrum. COVID-19 changed everything for us. We were a portrait studio but of course safety concerns shut us down. We looked elsewhere for another revenue stream that would be safer for us and our clients. We live in ranch country and everyone also seems to own a dog. Shooting out-of-doors, even in our arctic winters is a much safer option. Animal/people eye detection is something we could use. More pixels gives us greater crop flexibility in addition to greater editing options. And the focus tracking ability is absolutely essential for dogs who are more active and energetic than horses. It was a no-brainer - we now own the R5. The 70 - 200 f2.8 RF is our workhorse lens while we keep the 24 - 70 f2.8 RF on the R. Canine/equine photography is safer in these COVID times and we are so pleased that technology has offered us products that make our work so much easier and more efficient. We are Canadians. The price of admission was steep, but we have faith Canon has given us the best tools now and for our future needs.
Right on!! Not only the investment in your business, but the PIVOT to find new ways to adapt in the Covid19 world we currently live in. I'm proud to see that you have adapted and that it's going well. The new AI is hands down better than the first iteration in the R and I'm disappointed that Canon isn't providing an update to the R with that tech. I can't imagine the internal tech changed enough that the new AI is tech dependent on it. So my instincts tell me this is another way to further separate these three cameras, in the minuscule ways that Canon typically does with their gear.
Thanks for watching!
It helped! I want the R5 but would pick the R6 then again I have the R. Still want the R5. Lotto?
Lolol - aye I hear you for sure! If you do hit it big, get that R5 and then retire to an island and shoot sunsets for the rest of your days :) Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!!
I think the fact the R6 will give you minimal noise and similar colour as the other 2 is fantastic! Just use your sharpening tool and presto! Easy to get sharp images and at the same time reduce your storage space! Today most photographers are over shooting, over killing the job. In 2004 my boss back then shot a billboard campaign using the canon 20D, 8megapixel crop sensor! It turned out great! Client was very happy the colours, contrast, clarity where enough, I wouldn’t dream of shooting my weddings with anything more then a 20megapixel sensor. Even the Fuji crops sensor I often use which is my personal camera the XT4, 26 mega pixel is overkill for weddings, I have never had any complaints with the quality enlargements or poster I have supplied using my 20 mega pixel canon IDX or Fuji Bodies. 20 million pixels are a heap of amount of pixels. Stop giving in to marketing hype that is forcing photographers to keep upgrading constantly!
I hear you - I really do. However I've had the benefit of doing a lot of image work in Photoshop over the years and I have seen greater results, across the board with a higher megapixel count. There is a noticeable difference to not only the final artwork, but what I can do with it in Photoshop. I'm glad that the crop sensors and 20mp has serviced your needs as a photographer, but with all due respect, I do not believe that should be the measure to set the standard for all photographers. I would never return to a lower MP count, after seeing the work over the past two years from my R; simply a step in the wrong direction.
However I do strongly agree with you that the marketing hype has influenced too many photographers. In my travels as an educator, I have gotten so many messages from folks who are beginners or have just stepped into the industry/business in the past two years and their first question was "so do I need to get that R5?!" And I ask them why they think they need to - every time. The answers show me that critical thought of how the camera will help their business, isn't the guiding issue - it's the marketing of it being "the next best thing."
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts and opinions - even though I disagree, I welcome the discussion!!
@@RealityReimagined It all depends what size output you print and on what substrate? Of course if I was commissioned to shoot a 2 metre backlight jewelry or glamour campaign which will be printed on a 600dpi x600dpi large format high resolution printer on a print-mode of 200 Density 16 pass, then 20 mega pixels would struggle compared to a medium format or higher resolution Full frame.
But I rarely do work like that which requires that kind of output. Everyone has different requirements. Agree most what you said. I didn’t mean to come across as my way should be the industry standard. Not at all. But doing weddings and portraits I do speak for a lot of photographers also.
I use Canon 5DII and 7D for landscape and wildlife photography purposes till now in 2021. There's absolutely no need to replace them as they are performing extremely well. At the end of the day, it's the images that talk, not the equipment.
I prefer bigger pixels produce my photos. Because they produce cleaner images.
Aye I totally hear you and I used my Canon 6d for a number of years before I moved to the R. The gear doesn't always have to be replaced with the new and next best thing - but for the folks (for whatever reason) that want to upgrade, the video hopefully helps :) Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for watching!
Excellent comparison video - one the best....if not THE best I've seen. Thank you. My main issue is the 20mp sensor on the R6 and I see the sense in how you thought the reason was. However, as a photographer who likes to crop more or less each imagee, the 20mp sensor would struggle to keep resolutiton to an acceptable level. The 45mp is probably too much!!! so the R seems to be a good compromise but with older technology. Decisions decisions!!!
Thank you so much for the kind words, I appreciate them! I totally agree with you and that's one of the main challenges for me. I do a lot of composite artwork and often need to resize, crop, alter pixels in many ways. Knowing the fidelity of the pixels will be stronger with more MP, that makes the choice for me. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!
Very useful videos, can u tell me R6 picture quality compare to Canon Mark 4?
I think it would be almost the same comparison as the R vs the R6 as the sensor is the exact same resolution in the R is the same from the 5D MK 4. The processor in the 5D MK 4 is the Digic 6 and that will make a bit of difference in overall color and other data processing, but I can't imagine it's too far off from the R. Canon has always done a great job of managing color space in their cameras and I do not believe that a major change was made with the R. So this video's comparison of the R images to the R6 would be a pretty close comparison of the R6 vs the 5D MK 4.
Thanks for watching!
Thank you, Very informative video.
I've shot Canon DSLR for the last 5 years and love em. I looked at the R then the RP when it came out but, it didn't 0ffer enough to make me switch from my current 6D and 5D MKII. After the launch of the R5/R6 I took another look at mirror less. The Frame Rate and AF along with the IBIS, are a big selling point to me (I use some long Glass). I don't shoot in a studio, I'm a run and gunner plus wildlife. I do very little video, If I want video I'll grab my Video cam. For what you get I can't justify the price difference between the R5 and R6. After doing a ton of research, for what I do I just purchased the R6 and so far no regrets.
Right on! The moment that I read that you do wildlife and use longer lens, I would hands down recommend the R6 for that. The IBIS alone (matched to the RF IS) would be ideal and the new AI pet eye detection would be a great boon to your work. Glad it's working well for and thanks for watching!!
Are you using the same Lenses for each camera
Aye we did use the same lens - the only difference was the model moved a little bit in between each frame. Thanks for watching!
I have a canon T6i then I got a 6D a year later. I’ve been watching videos for the last two days and I think I’m going with the R. It’ll be a nice upgrade. I already have L series glass. I only need it for photography mainly. I thinks that’s a big upgrade for me from not buying a camera since 2017 and when I did it was already years old when I got it. The price is good enough for me unlike going Sony a7iii which I was also looking at. I’m not trying to go to far over budget since I don’t do photo shoots too often however I’m trying to get back into it. Thanks for the video
The R will be a great upgrade for you, from the 6d - I did exactly the same, although I had my 6d a little longer. Given the limited versatility you know you need out of the camera right now, the savings you'll get on the R purchase (over the R6) can be used to maybe be put toward a future upgrade for glass. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for watching!
@@RealityReimagined thanks for replying yes definitely getting some glass just need to decide now which lens I’ll get
I have the 90D and 6D MKII and 20 lenses including Canon L, Sigma Art, and Zeiss primes (I know, GAS). I bought a year old R kit with the RF 24-105mm L off Ebay for $2377.00. This combo is noticeably better (IQ) than my 6DII/Sigma 24-105mm Art combo. I'm going to list the 6D/Sigma combo on Ebay as a combo in a few weeks when stimulus checks start arriving. I highly recommend the RF 24-105mm L.
@@b2gun6s I just got a Canon R5 and 28-70. I haven’t used it yet since rom currently deployed and it’s at a family members house until I return. I’m going to look into that lens. I’m selling my T6i as a bundle as well as my 6D and my Panasonic G7 when I get back.
Congratulations for the video! Even in 2021 after all the updates in the R6 and R5 I think that the EOS R is still the way to go. It is better investing in RF lenses and wait till the R5 drops the price.
Right on - I am looking forward to purchasing the R5, but will still wait for either the announcement of the rumored R1 or a price reduction of the R5 when the R3 launches. Thanks for watching!
I think that was a really well done and honest review. And I agree with your conclusions .... if the question is “Do I upgrade from the R?” Since I don’t currently have a Canon mirrorless and I am primarily a stills photo old guy... can you consider the question in a different way?
If you didn’t own an R... at all... and money is always an issue.... would you buy a new R or a new R6?
First off thank you for the kind words and seeing this review from the whole that it was meant to be and also suggesting a new take on it, with your comments. I am truly torn in how to answer. I do believe that the R is a great, great photography camera and will save you a lot of cash. However the R6's other peripherals will certainly last you longer and serve you better, in versatility. Dual card slots, better video options than the R and improved AI tech, is a great investment. However the R gives SO much to one who is stepping into the mirrorless market.
I can't make up my mind :) Still waiting to see the specs on the new R1 and then go from there. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and for watching!!
Can you link in those continuous led lights. I needs to know :)
Aye! www.shoplumin8.com/ Thanks for watching!
Excellent comparison! I knew the R was a solid camera.. but this helps so much understanding what the differences really are and when upgrading will be most advantageous.
Aye that visual comparison alone was so fascinating to me and worth the $300 to rent those bodies :( Thank you for watching my friend!
Finally the video that I was looking for! I was thinking to "upgrade" to the R6 but I will keep my beloved R, I mostly do still and "studio". The only way that I will upgrade to an R6 is if I start making video content, they should have released an R with the new processor, new auto-focus, IBIS, 120 ffp at 1080 with AF and the 30mpx sensor; in my opinion I would have bought that camera with no brainer. Great content man :D
Thank you so much - most appreciated! I'm really curious to see what Canon is going to announce soon with their new bodies for 2021. Since Sony just launched the A1 and it set the bar pretty high, I'm sure something is soon on the horizon for Canon. Thanks for watching and for sharing your thoughts!
Good vid. Curious if you looked at this test more than once to ensure there wasnt another variable. I downloaded samples and, given that I wasnt viewing at like 400% on a 5k screen, the R6 looked sharper - explained to be due to the removal of the anti aliasing filter. I just bought the R6 based on this. Will have in a week. We shal see
Aye I did go through several images looking for the variance and saw it everyone one of them :( However I still do believe the R6 is a great camera that will serve folks well - regardless of the differences. Thanks for watching!
Awesome comparison!!! I have the EOS R and Love it. I was think, about upgrade to the R6, after see your comparison video I decided not to upgrade wait for the next versions. Do you take any landscape or architect photos ?
Canon rumors already have leaks that two to three new bodies are coming in 2021 and they will be middle ground between the R and the R6 as well as one that apparently is going to be a huge megapixel camera, but the video specs won't be as solid as the R5. So good to wait! I haven't really done any formal architecture imagery but I do photography landscapes, but only to use in composite/photomanipulation artwork. Is that one of your main genres of art?
@@RealityReimagined In your landscaping Photograph how was the image quality
So I am one who doesn’t upgrade cameras on the regular. My R was the first camera I bought new since the 60D. And I made a pretty good living with the 60D. When the R came out I felt it was time for a new camera, and I enjoyed the new system so much that I sold all but two of my EF lenses and bought a bunch of RF glass. I expose properly and don’t have to worry about recovering too much data in the shadows. I rarely shoot over 1600. Even if the camera can handle it, I just don’t. Never have. I actually did the unthinkable when the R5 and R6 came out and bought an RP when the price dropped on that camera. It’s my new go to camera for headshots and personal branding sessions.
Oh I can completely relate to this. We had a 60d as the main camera for a long time and then I wound up stepping up to the 6d as our first full frame. I did appreciate the larger image and the stronger sensor, but that 60d saw a lot of work for a very, very long time. And I completely agree on the high ISO - I very rarely go any higher than 800, but working with these new lights has required me to push that boundary a touch. And I did buy a second RP too (when the price dropped) so I would have a two shot video option for future content on the channel. :) Thanks for watching and here's to that R lasting for a very long time - for both of us!
What about sports ? Wouldn’t the r6 be great for sports ?
Aye I do think for sports and the motion tracking that is needed, the R6 and R5 are vastly superior over the R. However I would recommend taking a look at the new (unreleased) R3 as that body is being positioned by Canon to be their new flagship action/sports camera that I'm sure will take back the mantle of being the preferred camera by sports organizations and so forth. Thanks for watching!
0:01 - If anyone is asking himself that question, then no, you probably do not NEED one...
But if you really, really want another one... then yes, you do need one :D.
In all honesty, from what I see, unless you have almost $4000 sitting on a shelf gathering dust and don't know what to do with them... is not worth the upgrade.
Maybe wait a year or so for that price to drop and then probably worth it.
LOLOL - I couldn't agree more. I had to satisfy that curiosity and I'm glad that I did, as I feel more comfortable now with my R for the time being. I do plan on upgrading eventually, but will wait as you have suggested until there is a reduction in overall cost. Thanks for watching!
I don't think it's a fair comparison... Not everyone is looking for just resolution in camera there are many aspects that pushes people to upgrade to r 6, r 5. It's your personal preference to stick eos r because it works for the kind of photography you do..
Exactly, this "comparison" was so laser-focused on a single photo taken and a single type of photography. I can tell you that the EOS R would fail miserably with what I need, whereas the R5, while not perfect either, performs amazingly well. I'm still waiting to see an actual comparison of something other then photo resolution...oh, the video is over.
I'm not understanding the shade being thrown here. I mean why do you feel it necessary to first - not listen to the beginning of the video and second, just chime in to throw shade and quite frankly be rude?
Is this all of the critical thought you have on the matter? Are you limited in your discussion to only being negative and slam folks who are making content on this platform?
Nah, I'm not going to engage with you any longer. Clearly you have an agenda that has nothing to do with actually having an intellectual discussion about the content of the video that you are trolling.
I agree with you that there are other peripherals of the R5/6 that would motivate a purchase, besides the megapixels; I stated that at the beginning and reiterated it again during the video. However the megapixels of the camera don't change, regardless of the genre of photography. So your argument that I'm sticking to the R because it fits what I do - is irrelevant. I'm sticking to the R because I don't believe the increase of 15 megapixels is worth a $4,000 purchase. I'm curious - did you watch the whole thing and actually listen, or did you just jump on the comment train?
GVM RGB lights? Great review. I was thinking about going from the R to the R5, but now I'm thinking about spending the money on glass. Great to see someone in the PHX creative community on TH-cam. Keep 'em coming.
Thank you for this great review! Have been hung up on R6 vs R5 and I think you really give the best scientific comparison between the two. The moment you made the R6 layer visible over the 5's was the selling point for me for the 5--unfortunately I won't feel comfortable with the 20 MP. Thank you!
You are most welcome - it just made no sense to me that they would drop the sensor that low (which is the 1dX M3 sensor currently in that final DSLR) when they have 30 in the R and even 26.2 megapixels in the RP. Thanks for watching!
I upgraded to EOS R5 for dual card slots, animal eye autofocus, and most importantly the 12 fps burst speed when tracking!!
Right on! Those are definitely boons to the camera and great improvements over the R :) Thanks for watching!
FF means that the sensor is roughly 36x24mm; they all utilize the whole frame regardless of format. FF is a matter of format.
Oh right on - thank you for the insight and for watching!
@@RealityReimagined Thanks for posting. Also, mind the fact that the format cropped (which is super35 in cinema, which is the film roll was put sideways, so 24mm width and 14mm height to preserve the 2x3 ratio) gives a deeper depth of field (dof), and has a more "tunnel" like view. While large format, like IMAX, for the same focal length looks "wider" than FF and gets even more shallower (check a dof calculator app). Generally speaking crop sensor vs FF you have to stop about 2 stops to get the same shallowness - so f5.6 on FF would be f2.8 on crop for the same field of view (so if you have a 50mm on FF, and the crop factor is x1.5, you divide 50 by 1.5, and you get 35mm for the crop sensor to have the same field of view, that's the angle of view - that is why going wide on smaller formats is such a pain - and going long and deep, keeping things in focus, is hard on larger formats like IMAX).
The EOS R is a great camera for the price right now, the only thing that bothers me is the single card slot and the lack of joystick. I would rather have 20 megapixels with the R6 with the better autofocus and 4k60 no crop!
Aye I totally hear you and I agree - I just wish that Canon would have thrown in the 30 MP into the R6 and even raise the price a touch - I would have still gone for that. The video options are still what is pulling me toward them (the R5 mainly) but still going to wait and see what is on the line up for 2021. Thanks for watching!
Excellent review David! I am seriously considering an upgrade and retiring my 5D MK III (I currently use the 5D MK IV with the III as a backup....) With all the data of the R5, I am wondering what kind of system upgrades I would need to make to handle all that??
Thank you so much my friend! The RAW files produced from the R5 shouldn't be too much bigger than the 5D MK IV. The file format is a bit different and that is the only thing that required an update from Photoshop or other digital editors, to be able to process the file format itself. Photoshop is becoming a bit more graphics heavy than processor heavy, so I would look to that first to upgrade. Memory is also key and the newer DDR5 memory is pretty fast. I'm going to make a video this week with my recommendations for computer hardware, for photographers - since Black Friday is rapidly approaching. :) Thanks for watching!
@@RealityReimagined could you please provide me with the link of that video you made regarding the hardware? Thank you in advance!
Quick random question: why do you use iso 400 when using strobes?
I like the amount of light balanced against an aperture of F11 - anything lower (or higher) doesn't give quite the amount of light that I'm used to :) I go for very low ISO when I have to shoot wider than F3.2 and then attempt to balance the rest with shutter, diffusion, etc. Thanks for watching!
@@RealityReimagined okkk I see! I tend to shoot at f4-5.6 at the studio, and for boudoir or outdoors mainly wide open f1.4
they say that the 1080p at 120fps is coming to the R5 in a firmware update ! not sure when though :) but im looking at the R5 from the R too but I want a sharper image and focus bracketing also think this will be my last camera and Ive never had the best so I'm treating myself to one just before I retire ( early ) so I can just go out and enjoy taking photos also will get me out of the house lol
REALLY?! Wow, that's going to change the map for me a little. And I think that is a wonderful idea to not only treat yourself now, but celebrate a career as well. The R5 is a great camera and will serve you well for a considerable amount of time to come. Thanks for watching and thank you for the information!
VERY VERY VERY VERY GOOD VIDEO, beautiful comparaison Good communication. Thank u
Right on, I'm glad the information helped you - thanks for sharing your thoughts and for watching!
I’m coming from the. 5D mark ii, I want the R5 but now I’m second guessing lol
Oh I hear you and I completely understand. I'm working on a new video that I will share hopefully this week, to update everyone about my upgrade to the R5, but also some interesting advice that was given to a workshop set of students, by a prominent photographer in our industry. Essentially they told everyone that if they are coming from the DSLR series of Canon cameras, they should consider buying new RF lenses, over the new mirrorless bodies. You still need a new mirrorless to use the RF with, but in regard to budget it makes sense to spend your budget on a good RF lens and get a more affordable R or R6, vs the R5.
The R5 was recommended if you are interested in doing video work, as it is a vast leap forward from the R and has some better options (slightly) than the R6.
Thanks for watching!!
Very helpful. Thanks for sharing. You helped me with my decision 👍
Out of curiosity, what is your mic setup for this video? Your sound quality is clean.
The Canon rumor mill is running strong that there will be two to three new bodies for 2021 - one of which is supposedly not a R - Mark II, but is sort of an R - Mark II. Definitely waiting to see what they have in store and will most likely upgrade next summer :) In regard to the mic - it's a SHURE SMB7 connected to a GoXLR Mini. The audio is pretty clean coming from the mixer and then I add just a touch of equalization in the edit. :) Thanks for watching!
I was shooting on the 5d4 and would not use the R professionally because of the single slot. (Although There is a lot I prefer over 5d4) I was considering an R6 as a backup, but after a few months with the R5 I decided to get a second R5 instead :) the IBIS, AF, dynamic range, 14-20 fps, CFExpress cards, and RF lenses have made work really enjoyable - for me the R5 is really worth saving extra for, and waiting for a great deal
Aye I was definitely targeting the R5 for everything that you have mentioned - plus the video options that seem to have caused too many issues. Holding out now until later this year to see what they reveal, then will go for the R5 :) Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for watching!
@@RealityReimagined one thing people don’t seem to mention is that the R5 shutter is rated for 500k actuations vs 300k on the R6 😳
Why upscale the R6 and R to match the R5?
Most people will downsize the files anyway if not printing large.
You should do a test downsizing to 4000 long. Most people who post on the web are downsizing to 2048 long.
I’m curious to see all three cameras downsized to 2048 long and then see what the difference is.
Do a test outside and then inside at higher iso between all three.
Aye I agree - this first test was to show the variance in overall pixel definition and how that can relate to Photoshop work. A second demo would be rad to do, with the suggestions you've made. If I can get my hands on the two bodies (without having to rent them) then I will definitely go forward with it :) Thanks for watching!
Very nicely done. Looking at all 3. Coming from Canon 5D iii the r by far seems to be the correct camera for now. More money for that rf glass, bodies change glass lasts a lot longer. Thank you
Right on and I love that you are seeing the wisdom to upgrade the glass over the senors. The optics of the RF system (when combined with the R/RP/R6/R5/R3) are hands down a massive upgrade from the EF line and the DSLR systems.
I've been using the RF 24-70 F2.8 and now the RF50mm 1.2 Both are amazing lenses and well worth the dollars invested. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for watching!
Very nice comparison - many thanks!
Thank you and thank you for watching!
thank you. I finally know that the r6 it's not for me. The ibis is a great feature, but that lose of details it's huge step back from my eos R. Thanks!!
One of the viewers commented that if you turn the R6 image to a Smart Object and scale it up in Photoshop, the details come closer to matching the R. It's an extra step and I'm going to test it a bit to see how I feel about it, but it may be an alternative option if you ever do want to go the route of buying the R6. Thanks for watching!
You are very right about this...I have the r and would not upgrade to r6...this is going backwards
@@RealityReimagined To be a fair test, you would then also need to upscale the R image to see if it comes closer to the R5...
Did you upscale the r6 image? I got an r6 and it's a lot sharper than your image. Actually, your image looks upscale from 20 megapixels to 30. I think you should have compared 20 megapixels with 20 megapixels so, downscale the 30 and 45 megapixels to 20 and check the result. If you want to upscale 20 to 30, you should use real software and not photoshop (like Gigapixel AI).
I hear where you are coming from, however I'd like to establish again the main platform of what this video was meant to show. Simply put, we more often than not, want to take our base images SOOC and generally push them further and enlarge them, not reduce them. So a comparison of the base file and the pixels at hand, is the best starting place to show that. I also challenge the statement that Photoshop is not real software when it comes to resizing an image. Keep in mind, I'm not sponsored by Adobe at all nor do I think I ever will, mainly because I will tell the truth about how they make a lot of mistakes every year with their software and business practices. I've also have been using Topaz's software for many, many years and I think they do a great job. I also think their software is very circumstantial to get amazing, consistent results. This is where Adobe has outpaced the other markets. I'm glad you've clearly gotten value out of Gigapixel and I would hope you can understand that AI is amazing, but simply is not the margin to define "real" software.
I love my R6. It produces more beautiful pictures than the R I used to have
Right on - I'm glad you like it and it's working well for you. Thanks for watching!
I love mine too. Great camera!
I own a R and a R6, I like the R6 more in every way.
Fir photography eso r best or eso r6 ?
That's a hard question to answer :) I think they are both strong cameras for photography, it's just a question of your budget and how long you want to keep the camera. I have the EOS R and won't be switching to the R6. I will consider the R5 eventually, but Canon is also releasing new cameras in 2021 that might change things. Hope that helps and thank you for watching!
Entonces entiendo que en relación, calidad, precio la R está genial y la R6 no tanto y la R5 cuesta mucho dinero para la poca diferencia con la R?
El R6 es una mejora del R, principalmente con el software. Las opciones de detección de ojos y video son mucho mejores que las de la R. La calidad de imagen es ligeramente mejor desde la R que desde la R6. Ahora estoy usando el R5 y me encanta la calidad de imagen y el software. ¡Espero que eso ayude!
Unique comparison. I am using The Canon R professionally. My clients are happy with the results. I have considered the R6. However revenue has been uneven after the pandemic.the R5 is more than my planned expenses. I now don’t feel like I am missing out with the R6. The R with native rf lines is amazing despite the hate.
Aye - I completely agree. The R was and still is a great camera body and yes the intrinsic value of all of the options available in the R5/6 over the R definitely makes it a great choice to upgrade. However the "night and day difference" just isn't as strong as the marketing lead on. But to be completely transparent, I'm in the process of selling my R after three years of loving use, to upgrade to the R5. I do not want to move to the R3 and I want the video options available in the R5 :) Thanks for watching!!
Man great info here, I juat switch from Nikon to the EOS R and I love it, ill focus on RF lenses for now need to get the Trinity, 50mm 1.2, and a real macro RF lens.
Great way to start imo and get that good glass first :) Thanks for watching!
why do you use 400 iso on r and r6 or r5 in addition your test is with led light
I generally try to shoot studio light portraits at ISO 400 or lower, depending on the mood of the lighting. For this demonstration I chose to use the LED lights because I stated up front in the video, that I wanted to see how well the cameras were doing in gel photography as that is one of my main revenue streams and also was a good test of seeing how the cameras handle color and the pixel quality of that color. I'm considering renting them again and doing just straight normal lighting tests and also natural light as well. Would that be helpful to watch? Also - thanks for watching this one!
I have the R6 and R. R6 for fast Birds,Sport etc but the R for Landscape etc But at some stage i would like to get the R5 which to me combines Both R and R6.. The focus on the 6 is Super compared to the R..
Aye I think the improved AI eye detection on the R6/5 definitely makes a strong new part of the upgrade. Just wish the R6 had more MP :)
That was a really good video and something that I had not seen anyone on TH-cam compare, so thank you for that. I'm hoping that you can point me in the right direction with my question. I'm debating between the three cameras as well. I basically take photos and post them on Instagram and I really don't have any worthwhile lenses that would carry over to these three cameras. The photos that I post on Instagram are of freight and passenger trains that go from 0mph to 70mph. Presently, I have a Canon T6 with the kit lenses and the pictures aren't as clear as I see some others post online. If you have any thoughts on what would be best, I'm all ears. Thanks for your time.
Right on - thank you for the kind words about the video, I appreciate it! Given what you are capturing and the speed at which you may have to take the shot, I wonder if what would help you to get sharper images is the settings first, more so than new gear? Gear will make a difference for sure, but what shutter speed/aperture are you shooting at when you capture the trains moving at higher speeds?
Gear recommendation - I would probably go with the R6 since that would be the most stable upgrade from the Canon T6. The money you would save by purchasing the R (over the R6) could help you get a new lens, but depending on your budget, I would go for the better AI and software that is in the Canon R6. The R is a great, great choice too and nothing wrong there if you go with that. Upgrade the lens and you are in business.
Let me know about the settings and let's keep talking. Thanks for watching!
@@RealityReimagined Thanks for the suggestion and thoughtfulness. I can't lie. I never want to miss a train, so I shoot in auto focus.
I added a like just off your opening line. Lol. But subscribed because this was the best comparison and what felt like the most honest comparison I’ve seen regarding canons mirrorless lineup. I have a 6d Mark ii. I was looking to make the jump to mirrorless. Was disappointed in the MP count in the R6. I was trying to decide between r6 and the R... you sold me on the R.
Lolol - right on, most appreciated! I went from the 6D M2 myself to the R and I was so incredibly pleased with the massive jump in quality of the imagery I was capturing. I do think the R6 has a lot of great features and the newer AI eye detection is better than the R. Some of the viewers have commented that if you turn the R6 image into a Smart Object and increase the size of the image to match one from the R, they appear similar to each other. I have yet to test that, but I still feel that out of the gate, the extra 10 megapixels is a boon and is also $700 less :) Thanks for watching!
I was looking at getting the R6 but after seeing this video and I think I may go for the R because I am going to focus a little more of Photography instead of video.
I do think the R is a very strong camera and the R6 has a lot to offer for photography (dual card slots, IBIS, etc. ) but the R shouldn't be pushed out the door quite yet. There are rumors that three new camera bodies are coming in 2021 and one of them is supposedly the R Mark 2 (even thought it won't be called that) so it might be a good idea to wait a touch :) Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for watching!
i have no camera still mow but i have to purchase new line-up im wedding photographer which one u suggest R6 or R
Oh wow...I was already to say the R until you said weddings. One of the biggest requested features from the masses, for the R5/6 was dual card slots, precisely for one-off events like a wedding. Not having that second card slot is a dangerous risk with something like wedding photography. In all of the years that I photographed weddings, I never had a card fail. However it does happen and it can be devastating to your client and your business. I believe the R is a better camera than the R6, in regard to the over all quality of the image. However the R6 will be a better camera for weddings due to the dual card slots, the video capabilities (if you ever decide to go that route) and the improvements on the processor.
I wish I could definitively tell you to get one over the other, but I can't. They are both good cameras and the above mentioned criteria is the only thing I can offer in the way of advice. Thanks for watching and good luck on your new wedding work!
Yep, if you do weddings, clench them tight and swallow the cost... get the R6... not for the "extra quality", but more for the extra peace of mind.
Good analysis , something worth thinking about if one has a EOS R like myself!
Thank you - most appreciated! There are benefits to both the R/R6/R5 just depending on what you need. Thanks for watching!
Thank you this really helped me, I believe the EOS-R is really a better purchase for me. I can't justify the cost of the R5.
Right on, I'm glad the information helped you - thanks for sharing your thoughts and for watching!
I wish i stuck with my rp and got good glass(50 1.2 rf) instead of getting the r6 and using a yongnuo 50 1.8 and 85 f2 lol.
I hear you - I really do, but don't get too down on yourself about it :) It's hard to balance the right investment of glass, vs camera and so forth. So many factors come into play and sadly, they ALL are important in some shape or form. The R6 is a good camera, for sure and hopefully you can migrate over to the RF as soon as you can and take one further step forward :) Thanks for watching!
Thanks for this comment. Im STUCK between upgrading my Rp or getting glass. I have the EF 50mm 1.4. and was wonder if i should have get the R or R6. Do you see a major mindblowing difference with the R6 and 85 f2 than your RP?
The resolution of 20MP is enough for my needs. To make a comparisment that makes any sense you should have recalculated the higher res images to 20MP instead of blowing the 20 MP up to and rezising the 45 MP down to 30 and next to this you compared all of it at 200%. First one should ask what res he/she really needs. If 20MP is enough, one should scale the hiigher resolutions down and compare all three results at 100%.
At ISO 1600 there is the different image prozessor visible, showing a warmer and mor platic-like result at the R.
But If I do this comparisment at ISO 6400 (which I often need) or higher I find the R6 IQ is definitly better than the R´s. But both are blown away by the R5´s result. But I belong to the group of people, who can/want not afford an R5 and do not want to handle the bigger files. I do not work for any customer, who needs 45 MP and wants to pay for it (yet).
Aye I definitely see where you are coming from and can understand. I just generally feel that regardless of what your clients needs are, the likely hood of you needing to upscale an image is far greater of a possibility than needing to downscale. So having more data to work with, will help that end result. But again the R6 is a good camera for sure and I'm glad that it is putting a modern, mirrorless body into the hands of folks who can use it for a few years to come. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for watching!
Excellent comparison.
Thank you and thank you for watching!
Good and well-argued decision. I bought the EOS R this summer. Beside the price my argument was that I knew that this camera could take really good professional pictures and if I was not able to get the results I wanted, It for sure was not because of the camera, but because of my lack of skills. I just have try harder. I like to know that my good results are a product of my skillset and not a product of a semi-automated camera. By selfish reasons, I am happy you are not upgrading, now I can continue to copy your camera setting in my learning process and expect similar results... or by second thought.. maybe not.. I´m not even close to be at your level..... yet... I am looking forward to the upcoming gel video :-D.
This is a wonderful statement and one that makes me proud to see you acknowledging. I fully support getting the right gear that you feel confident in, but also realizing that the camera is only one-third of the equation to great photography. You need the lighting scenario/pattern and of course your own imagination and creativity. It takes courage to take on that responsibility to understand that if the image isn't what you expected, it isn't the fault of the camera. :)
I've begun scripting out the flow of the videos that will be a look into my process as an artist and photographer. Both for natural light, studio lighting and gelled lighting. Thank YOU for inspiring me to create this upcoming content and eager to get your thoughts on it, when it's live. Thanks for watching!
The resolution difference is an issue, but for most uses the 20MP sensor is just fine. Most people will not be zooming 500% into their images. Other than the resolution, the R6 is a better camera overall than the R, particularly with regard to dynamic range and autofocus. The R6 has the same sensor as the 1DX mkIII and you don't really see anyone complaining about the resolution. It's one of the best sensors Canon has put out. It doesn't beat out the R5, but of course you have to spend some serious cash to get the R5.
Aye I agree that the R6 has a lot of good functionality that rivals or tops the R - especially with the new AI AF. However the comparisons to the 1DX M3 being a benchmark, I think will soon be out-dated as well. Canon is clearly pushing forward with mirrorless and there are now rumors that 2021 will see a followup to the 1DX M3 and it will be curious to see what sensor is put into that body. Also looking at Sony and their newly launched bodies this summer, as well as the new bodies for 2021, they are pushing above 20mp as a baseline.
I guess what I'm hoping folks do is to begin to think about "the new normal" in regard to how far their images can go. More and more folks are pushing their artwork beyond the norms of the past, as new software takes advantage of all the new gear's capabilities. Time will tell.
Thanks for watching!
@@RealityReimagined I definitely understand the desire for more resolution. As an R owner, I wrestled with the decision to buy an R6. And honestly, I'm still tempted to take it back and get an R5 just for some future-proofing. I haven't decided yet. In most image comparisons I've seen up to 100% crop, there isn't a lot of difference between the R5 and R6 in normal conditions. I'm trying to let that be my guide. As long as I fill the frame and don't crop a lot, which I don't, I should be fine. But I kind of worry that some day I'll need to crop a lot and I'll notice the drop in resolution.
LOVE THE INTRO💯I feel the same way when I look at new cameras😅
LOL - right on my friend, we all get that Grinch like smile when we flirt with the idea of new gear :) Thanks for watching!
wouldn't use a R5 and have a look at Canon EOS R5 on the CameraVille youtube channel (Canon R5 vs Nikon Z7 vs Pentax K1- Comparison) read the R5 manual on when the battery level drops under 70%, shutter speed drops to 5fps and AF misses a lot
Oh wow - I will definitely take a look at the video and see what's up. I wonder if the new battery they made for the Canon was the main issue? Thanks for watching my video and for the heads up!
@@RealityReimagined I would hope it would be fixed with a firmware update for anyone that has one. I was shocked that no one has said anything about it but they wouldn't use it with a battery under 70% testing and most wouldn't need the high FPS. your video just turned up and just seeing what people think of new cameras if and when i upgrade but think ill be staying with my Pentax K70 as its still doing a great job for me.
Hi, nice video but I am going to disagree to a point. I have the R and recently added the R5 and I think if you had have used an RF lens (85 f1.2 or the 28-70 f2) in your comparisons the difference would have been easier to see. The EF lens were never designed to resolve that amount of detail so the images are closer than they actually are. I have looked at two images side by side in fixed lighting using these lenses and the R5 not only is much sharper it has better noticeably dynamic range than the R too and therefore you don’t need to push the image as hard in post. Worth renting and seeing the difference as it is clearly far superior. Also the massive difference in autofocus speed and agility between the R and R5, not withstanding the functionality all adds to the package and explains the difference in price, beyond just looking at megapixel differences on glass both cameras were not designed to be used with to maximise their performance.
First off - thank you for watching the video and for offering the advice and information! I am definitely intrigued and did wonder about the lens being an issue. My feeling was that if the lens was the same on all three bodies, then a sense of control could be established for this "experiment" and that the results would yield some sort of comparison. However I hear what you are saying and will absolutely try this. I do not currently have the R5 or an RF lens, so I will have to rent them again. However I am up for that cost to explore the possibilities.
Thank you for this "challenge" and excited to see the results - will share them here as soon as I can!
It depends on what you are shooting. For wildlife/bird/action photography, the R5 reigns supreme from Canon. The Eye AF, AF tracking, and 45 mp are worth every penny. I recently took a Hooded Merganser picture (catching crawfish) and cropped 75% of it and it still has good detail.
Oh I completely agree - the new AI eye detection for humans and animals is amazing and I sincerely wish they would have updated the firmware into the R. The R is very much a viable candidate for this line up and I can't imagine that the sensor and processor changed so much to allow for the new AI. We'll see, I guess, but I doubt they will keep the new software in the newer models to incentivize the upgrade. Thanks for watching!
Interesting info...and then Darth's cloak moves at 19:15. Spooky.
Right on - this is my actual office and not a backdrop. That figure talks to you when you walk past it and for years it was at the front entrance of our portrait studio. I wanted our clients to know that they were in the presence of a nerd and set the tone for the adventure we might take :) Thanks for watching!
I agree completely with your analysis. If Canon had made the R6 with 30MP, I would probably have sold my R and bought the R6. But, since they did not, I’m not willing to give up the resolution for the added features of the R6, and the price jump to the R5 is just to high for me. So, I’ll keep my beloved R!!!
Aye it still baffles me that they made this choice and I know the retort from so many is "the R6 has the same sensor as the 1DX Mark 3!" That's not enough for me. Just because that sensor was put into a DSLR a few years back and they still charge $6k for that body, means nothing. It's short on the MP and the R is still a great camera. However to be upfront and fair, I've upgraded (since the recording of that video) to the R5 - which was my plan all along, for the video options. Loved my R and would happily still shoot with one as it's just dandy for photography - the video options aren't, compared to the R5/6. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for watching!!
Your results are completely in line with my experience of the R6. Thanks for doing this video and being so honest. Buying the R6 was a tough decision for me. Since I use my camera for video a lot too, the video and autofocus specs made me go with the R6. I am very happy with my choice, but it was a also a budget choice, since I would never pay the price of the R5 for a camera body (as an enthusiast!) and I would rather get a great lens. Like they say date your camera body, but marry your lenses. But yeah, sometimes I feel like I should have bought the R5, but than I remember that no one besides people that pixel peep will ever notice the difference! Canon sure does play bad pschological games with us ;)
Right on and I'm glad you made the choice that you did. The R6 is not a bad camera at all, but those dollars saved from the R5 can be used for better glass, as you've stated. Plus it seems like the R market is about to get even further saturated with small little changes among various models, which is one of the more worse practices from Canon. They make various bodies that are slightly different from one another and confuse the market. If I didn't have such an expense, I would switch to Sony. ;) Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!
Right on point, R6 is a phenomenal choice for the price point if your not pixel peeping or cropping.
Great review! I will keep my R for the moment! Thanks for sharing with us :)
Right on - thanks for watching!
I have an R, and it’s a great little camera. So good, in fact, that I have seen nothing else from the Canon full frame mirrorless range that would tempt me to upgrade. I really don’t shoot video, so I need no more than the R offers, and there is no point in my considering the R5 at that price. The R6 just doesn’t tick enough boxes. There is, of course a rumour of a possible R5S, fewer video features and lots more pixels and photo features. Now *that* would be tempting.
I totally hear you on this and I agree - the R is a good camera that stands its ground with the R6. However I have to believe that there will be a lot to the rumors of the R5S, since Sony just launched the A1 and it is definitely setting the bar higher than the current r5 can touch. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and thanks for watching!
Less noise on the R6
Aye - I wondered though if that had to do with less megapixels? Thanks for watching!
I am buying a replacement form my old 6D mark I and was/am concerned about the low megapixel number in R6. But this is a huge difference, R6 compared to other two is like out of focus. :)
Still will have to live with that. Drawbacks of R just doesn't justify buy R and not R6. The AF and the IBIS is so much better in R5/6, since I don't earn money with photography R5 is out of question. :)
Aye - I completely agree with you and I do think that coming from a 6d Mark 1 to the R6 is the better choice. There are just too many upgrades (as you've mentioned) that will carry you longer than what the R can offer. I was using two 6d Mark 1's before I moved up to the R and I know from experience, you'll love the R6 :) Thanks for watching!
The showed comparison is telling nothing. The 20 MP are enough to work with. If you will compare the resolution between the R6 and R, you will not notice a big difference. You have to test it on stationary objects and not on a person which is moving where small lighting changes can affect the perceptual sharpness by minor contrast changes (caused by lighting)
@@airb1976 I will use it on moving objects, so I think this test is perfectly valid.
@@tomasvidziunas5543 no it's not! Because if she moves the head a little bit and there is than a little bit less light on various spots on the face then it could look even on the more megapixel camera a little bit out of focus.
When shooting in RAW, how many FPS does the canon Eos r shoot? Also, when in Auto focus, does it shoot at 5 fps or 8 fps? I'm confused. Help!
According to Canon's spec the R can shoot up to 8 fps in Raw (in AI Servo) and 5fps in one shot. I believe the R6 has improved on that, due to IBIS. Hope that helps and thanks for watching!
Thanks for a great visual review! I've been using a Sony A6300 for the past 5 years and have been debating making the jump to my first full frame for a quite while now. I desperately want to switch to Canon and have been completely torn between the R and R6. (In all honesty I still am!) My logic, go for a used R and spend the money on the RF glass.
However, I have reservations about the autofocus and lack of IBIS. I had a play with an R about 18 months and actually found the autofocus really frustrating :/ heeelp
Oh boy - do I hear you on this and I have to agree. The AI focus is great in the R, as long as the person is standing flat to you, they aren't wearing sunglasses and you have good lighting. Otherwise you more often than not have to help out the AI by targeting the region of their face and tell the camera to follow it. Then it locks onto the eye. I have had the most issues with side-profile images and only one eye for detection. Sadly it also wants to jump to what it perceives as the most "in detail object" near to the camera so things like walls and trees, it will try to focus on that and then move back to the eye.
That has been improved with the R6/R5 and the new version of the AI. IBIS is going to be helpful, but in my experiences only with either very low light conditions or if you plan on doing any film-making. Since you are making the brand leap, I feel like the best option is to get the R6 since it is the best they have to offer right now. However I STRONGLY urge you to wait a couple of months if you can, since the new bodies are on their way. No idea when they will be released, but it will effect the price point by a little.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for watching!
@@RealityReimagined Thanks for your detailed reply, I really value your advice! I take such a varied range of shots, from family sessions with my young neice and nephew, to some landscape, to sports, to emergency services in action (I'm volunteer SAR lifeboat crew). I think I would end up getting frustrated with the R in those fast moving situations and missing alot of shots.
Sensible me is saying 'wait it out, used prices are so high right now and new bodies are coming'...the heart is saying 'BUY ONE, BUY IT RIGHT NOW!'
this was weird to see, given the r5 has an anti-alias filter that the r6 does not
Aye agreed - thanks for watching!
This is a very limited review. The difference between the R, R5 and R6 for photographers is more than just the resolution and noise. I agree that R is a much better camera than the social media made it look when it appeared. But I do think that the R6 has a lot of advantages over the R in many situations. Better autofocus, probably the best on the market, more advanced image stabilisation with the added in-body stabilisations and the innovative way in which lens based and sensor-based collaborate, again probably the best system in the market at that price., faster shooting, ... My R is sometimes a bit slow even though the majority of my pictures are not action shots. My bet is that the fact that cannon didn’t use the sensor of the R for the R6 but chose the lower resolution one from the 1Dx mark III is because the readout speed of the sensor of the R is too low to reach the shooting speeds they wanted to reach with the R6. It may in fact be the readout speed that also causes the strong crop at 4K and not the lack of processing power. After all the M6 mark II has the same processor but can handle about the same amount of pixels at higher FPS for photography and I believe it also does full frame 4K video.
I hear you and I'm curious - did you listen to the beginning of the video? I explained that there are several other reviews of the cameras on the platform that cover all of the specs and their strengths and weaknesses. I decided to focus my review down to a few aspects that are applicable for my work and also discuss one of the talking points about the sensor. Yep the R6 has dual card slots, new stuff and so forth - mentioned that.
So since you didn't listen to that part - any thoughts you want to share on the sensor resolution and the variance to megapixels you want to discuss with us?
Given these three choices I would choose... My EOS 6D Mark II. The camera I already have and love. (Mirrorless has a LOOOOOOOOOOONG way to go for me to even think of switching out my trusty DSLR's)
Aye I hear you - I do have a soft spot for my 6D, but I urge you to maybe rent a mirrorless just to get a feel for the camera and the AI. It might add more angst to the choices :) Thanks for sharing your thoughts and for watching!
@@RealityReimagined I'm sure I'll revisit the idea again at some point. I use live view mode for low stuff pretty frequently because lowering my hands is just easier than having my face on the ground. But, I just love a good, clear, natural looking viewfinder with no extras. And I like the chonk, too. First DSLR was an EOS-1 Ds so what I use now feels tiny!