First, thank you for doing this to show how the graphic EQ can be used to tune a system. A few notes: This is a previous version of the build and the process of measuring and the method of calculating the target curve has changed. People shouldn't judge based on the target curve shown here. The bass rise shown in the target curve is due to the previous measurment method and the fact fhat Channa sits right up against a rear wall where the bass waves stack up and it shows in the target curve response. This method is a last resort for those who have no other option than to use graphic EQ. The advantage of trying this method is that you can bypass Audyssey's initial EQ to flat and enter the corrections in directly using the measurements you've taken. If you have a Denon or Marantz that is compatible with MultEQ-X, and you're interested in using True Target, I would highly recommend getting it.
Nice this would work on my denon 4520ci, for the subs i use minidsp. But what was the sound improvement you noticed between this and audyssey? Would love to hear it. The software is not cheap...
Great question! Both of those will do the same thing. Meaning they will give you a generic target curve to tune your system. Magic beans will create a custom target curve for your room, so you will inherently get a better Home Theater experience with a custom target curve. It takes into account what your speakers are capable of and what your room is doing to the sound at MLP. Then it generates a target curve specific to your room. Dirac allows you to enter a target curve but it doesn’t tell you what it should be. Most people just leave it alone.
Hello, thanks for your videos. I have today 5.1.2 setup with 2 of the speakers in ceiling, on an Onkyo 686. Have ordered a Denon 3800H and I want to go: 5.1.6 I think. I want to test out Auro 3d and I also want Atmos and DD compatability. It seems then maybe I have to do: 5.1. ear level, 2 front height, 2 rear height and 2 in ceil? Or do you have a better suggestion where all speakers would be used? I just want inwall/inceil, but I have yet to buy more speakers as I dont know what to buy to utilize the 3800H with Auro/DD/Atmos in the best way. (I am prepared to add amplifier to utilize extra channels processed). Mainly using netflix as source, playing from LG 77C3. But it is also used for gaming, thats the main reason for switching reciever beause I want VRR, 4K 120Hz HDR 4:4:4 etc. But what setup would you speaker-wise do with the Denon 3800H? Since I aleready have 5.1 on "ground level" and I have 2 speakers in ceiling. I cant do 7 on floor, as on one side I have a large window and the other side I have a large opening in the room. And I want inwall/inceil. Currently running B&W inwall and inceil-speakers and Arendal 1V sub.
When will Magic Bean's get released? I purchased the Spatial Audio CD a month ago. I need Magic Bean's to really take advantage of the Spatial Audio CD (right?). If feel like I'm on hold...
Not really, there’s a ton you can do with the toolkit. Have you looked at the calibration guide or the tutorial videos? There’s also the discord group where you can ask questions specific to your system. Check out the tutorial videos. I would also check out the calibration guide which came with the disc - technodad.biz/SACTTUTJNT - main sections I would go through are level matching, crossovers, and timing. There are plenty more but I would start with those.
@@TechnoDad Thanks for the reply. I will check out the link and info you provided. My assumption after watching one of you previous vids, was that the whole process would be smoother with Magic Beans so I was just sorta holding off until I get a copy. I tried to get signed up for the Beta test but wasn't selected. I don't have a problem buying the Audysee MultEQ-X license so I can follow your (and Joe's) tutorial video exactly.
Even the tablet version of MultEQ has a curve import, or least I thought it did, is there no way to convert or import the magic beans target into the app for export to receiver? Also I've heard you guys mention magic beans but haven't been following along close enough to know exactly what it is. Sounds like it's an custom app made by Joe to tailor a correction target to your specific room, for i assume a reanoable cost? I'll check out the beta page to see if it has more info. And hey thanks to you and Caleb for the Spacial CD, I haven't had a chance to dig in to it yet, but I'm excited to
@@TechnoDad looks like you can import a correction curve that's been created and saved from audessy. So not that helpful. I guess in the grand scheme what's another few hundred in the quest for better sound.
isnt the watt rating of people recievers important ? i see some frequencies need a boost of 3db per channel that will definitely eat up the power of the reciever and depending on people recievers wattage rating per channel it might make their avr clip when playing all channels with frequencies boosted at high volumes i think people should know about this specially when lots of new budget recievers only come with 75-90 watts per channel
You cannot use this information for anything. Because it is very different for each speaker, all speakers are not the same and you have not said anything about which speakers he has tested with
First, thank you for doing this to show how the graphic EQ can be used to tune a system.
A few notes: This is a previous version of the build and the process of measuring and the method of calculating the target curve has changed. People shouldn't judge based on the target curve shown here.
The bass rise shown in the target curve is due to the previous measurment method and the fact fhat Channa sits right up against a rear wall where the bass waves stack up and it shows in the target curve response.
This method is a last resort for those who have no other option than to use graphic EQ. The advantage of trying this method is that you can bypass Audyssey's initial EQ to flat and enter the corrections in directly using the measurements you've taken.
If you have a Denon or Marantz that is compatible with MultEQ-X, and you're interested in using True Target, I would highly recommend getting it.
No problem, man! I’ll have to use the new build on the Yamaha.
What’s release date of Magic Beans
No date set, but it's coming soon according to Joe!
All the comments are going to be "When can I buy it? Lol At least drop some hints! Price points, dates, anything?
Yes, when when when???
It's coming soon according to Joe!
When can we purchase Magic Beans?
It's coming soon according to Joe!
Nice this would work on my denon 4520ci, for the subs i use minidsp. But what was the sound improvement you noticed between this and audyssey? Would love to hear it.
The software is not cheap...
Can you do a afterwards comparison video between the geq vs multix results with rew
What happened with the gain option? This wasn’t included in the video.
As the Marantz SR7010 cannot be updated with the multiEQ app, this video is what I needed!
That’s great to hear!
@@TechnoDad and now...where to get the Magic Beans app?!?
As soon as Joe releases it, you'll know. It'll be plastered everywhere and we may do a livestream on both our channels about it.
Why would you use this instead of Audesy 20usd app or Dirac for example
Great question! Both of those will do the same thing. Meaning they will give you a generic target curve to tune your system. Magic beans will create a custom target curve for your room, so you will inherently get a better Home Theater experience with a custom target curve. It takes into account what your speakers are capable of and what your room is doing to the sound at MLP. Then it generates a target curve specific to your room. Dirac allows you to enter a target curve but it doesn’t tell you what it should be. Most people just leave it alone.
@@TechnoDad Will it work for the Mac ?
So for the new Sony ES receivers that uses Sony’s Spatial calibration how could this be used in them?
I would have to try it out and see.
Hey TD Is there a vid you can drop for us Pioneer owners that use MCCAC?
I don’t have a Pioneer AVR, so I’d have to get one first.
@@TechnoDad Ok fair enough!
Hello, thanks for your videos.
I have today 5.1.2 setup with 2 of the speakers in ceiling, on an Onkyo 686.
Have ordered a Denon 3800H and I want to go: 5.1.6 I think.
I want to test out Auro 3d and I also want Atmos and DD compatability.
It seems then maybe I have to do: 5.1. ear level, 2 front height, 2 rear height and 2 in ceil?
Or do you have a better suggestion where all speakers would be used? I just want inwall/inceil, but I have yet to buy more speakers as I dont know what to buy to utilize the 3800H with Auro/DD/Atmos in the best way. (I am prepared to add amplifier to utilize extra channels processed).
Mainly using netflix as source, playing from LG 77C3. But it is also used for gaming, thats the main reason for switching reciever beause I want VRR, 4K 120Hz HDR 4:4:4 etc.
But what setup would you speaker-wise do with the Denon 3800H? Since I aleready have 5.1 on "ground level" and I have 2 speakers in ceiling.
I cant do 7 on floor, as on one side I have a large window and the other side I have a large opening in the room. And I want inwall/inceil.
Currently running B&W inwall and inceil-speakers and Arendal 1V sub.
I have Audyssey MultEq editor for my Marantz setup. Are they same?
MultEQ-X is PC software that costs $199. It is much more robust. This video shows how to enter an eq curve without the use of the MultEQ app.
When will Magic Bean's get released? I purchased the Spatial Audio CD a month ago. I need Magic Bean's to really take advantage of the Spatial Audio CD (right?). If feel like I'm on hold...
Not really, there’s a ton you can do with the toolkit. Have you looked at the calibration guide or the tutorial videos? There’s also the discord group where you can ask questions specific to your system. Check out the tutorial videos. I would also check out the calibration guide which came with the disc - technodad.biz/SACTTUTJNT - main sections I would go through are level matching, crossovers, and timing. There are plenty more but I would start with those.
@@TechnoDad Thanks for the reply. I will check out the link and info you provided. My assumption after watching one of you previous vids, was that the whole process would be smoother with Magic Beans so I was just sorta holding off until I get a copy. I tried to get signed up for the Beta test but wasn't selected. I don't have a problem buying the Audysee MultEQ-X license so I can follow your (and Joe's) tutorial video exactly.
Even the tablet version of MultEQ has a curve import, or least I thought it did, is there no way to convert or import the magic beans target into the app for export to receiver? Also I've heard you guys mention magic beans but haven't been following along close enough to know exactly what it is. Sounds like it's an custom app made by Joe to tailor a correction target to your specific room, for i assume a reanoable cost? I'll check out the beta page to see if it has more info. And hey thanks to you and Caleb for the Spacial CD, I haven't had a chance to dig in to it yet, but I'm excited to
I didn't check that. It very well could, but I don't have that app. And yes, you are correct about what Magic Beans does.
@@TechnoDad looks like you can import a correction curve that's been created and saved from audessy. So not that helpful. I guess in the grand scheme what's another few hundred in the quest for better sound.
denon and marantz bloody hell i always wanted that sys
Not used for onkyo users!?
I would have to get an Onkyo to test it out.
@@TechnoDadplz do 😅
What no Marantz 8015?
Denon and Marantz are the same, so everything I do in the Denon will translate over to the Marantz.
When can I buy it?
I think he said sometime in March!
isnt the watt rating of people recievers important ? i see some frequencies need a boost of 3db per channel
that will definitely eat up the power of the reciever and depending on people recievers wattage rating per channel
it might make their avr clip when playing all channels with frequencies boosted at high volumes
i think people should know about this specially when lots of new budget recievers only come with 75-90 watts per channel
How do i get magic beans
Joe will release it soon!
So, as well as the Denon, you're also gonna include a Yamaha and a Sony. However, I personally would like to thank you for the inclusion of the Arcam.
Im gonna try!
I'm hungry. Magic beans 😛
When are you going to post your place into r/malelivingspace?
I’m not sure what that is…
Thanks
Yo Channa D. 😊
Hi!
You cannot use this information for anything.
Because it is very different for each speaker, all speakers are not the same and you have not said anything about which speakers he has tested with
The point of the video is to show how to enter the information.
P r o m o s m 🤩