There used to be a time where Linus was the smartest guy in the room, this video clearly shows that the team he has built are experts in their respective fields and make Linus look like a child. Kudos to Linus and LMG, you've grown beyond what I imagined. All the best!
Knowing the details about everything in tech isn't realistic. Personally, I don't know much about enterprise networking, writing assembly, robotics, nuclear reactors. Nor do I really care to.
There are two VERY different channels I watch regularly that demonstrate how TH-cam can be used to grow a business if run by the right people. LTT of course, and the 18th Century history channel Townsends. Townsends was a family owned store that sold mainly to 18th century reenactors, and in some ways it still is, but it's also a fabulous educational channel about life in the 18th century. There is a lot of garbage and totally forgettable stuff on TH-cam, but LTT and Townsends show just how good it can be.
I really feel for Kyle here. A fellow well intended a engineer put in a lot of effort on a project that is serious and the boss is like "BuT wE HaVE tO MakE tHe CaBlEs OuRSelVes!" Story of my life right there.
Kyle is probably the one who went over to Linus and said, if you *actually* want to test power supplies properly, its going to cost *at least* 100k and here's why. Linus approved the purchased of a state of the art testing equipment. Its not uncommon in industry for engineers (test engineers in particular) to bring capital expenditures to their bosses only to be rebuffed because "its too expensive". So I'll let Linus have some slack as the guy who approved all this in the first place, he's earned his right to be a goof.
@@LuisVelazquezLV3 It seems natural to me. Not saying that it's not scripted, but as long as it's scripted to be natural there's nothing wrong with it.
@@Sidowse We shouldn't forget TH-cam. For content creating you dont really need to be smart and they earn lots of money from youtube which could back them up
@@rstidman Ever thought of he's living in a white neighborhood? He's not gonna source people from far just for their skin color. That, in fact, would also be discrimination.
@@rstidman he is in Canada. From some research, it seems Canada has a mainly "white" population, mainly people identify as Canadian, or mainly other European countries such as English, German, Irish, etc. From the 2016 census, 73% said they were of European origin. The highest rated "non white" (as I would see) is 5% identifying as Chinese, and only 3% as black. In their area (Vancouver), it seems pretty representative of their team, mostly European Canadian and Chinese. Tldr: they are in a country where most people are white, and thus they hire mostly white.
Hey can anyone answer a stupid question I have? They said North American power tops out at 2000w. Is it possible that computer components become so power hungry that there is a limit to what is possible? Like GPU’s and CPU’s stop progressing because there’s no more power available?
@@granthoover9045 possible, but unlikely. New generations of hardware have focused pretty hard on reducing consumption and increasing efficiency. This is most seen in memory and processors denoted as LP or L, which is generally short for low power, or sometimes LV in memory case for low voltage. DDR5 uses less power overall for the same output a comparable DDR4 would. The same can be seen in newer processors, since we’re at a point where we’re installing transistors so small we can’t make them smaller. Like it’s literally against the laws of physics to make them smaller. So much of the focus the last few years has been making less do the same, which increases efficiency by space. 2000 watts is ALOT of juice for a computer, we’re talking a terabyte of memory or dual socket platinum 48 core xeon processors with 96 PCIE lanes. Maybe some Bitcoin mining farms will hit 2k per breaker, but only after 4 high end 500 watt graphics cards chewing away at them hashes. I run a server In my house, and it’s 16 years old, DDR2 FB no multi threading. Old and hungry. Barely eats 700 watts at full output, and around 250 at idle. So I’d say it’s possible, but unlikely. Just from the hardware perspective, there are plenty of options, and from an engineering standpoint, nothing is impossible.
I love the aesthetic design of this sort of stuff, firmly rooted in 1990 due to not being for consumers. Imagine how bad it would look if it was "gamerified"
This is the first time, a sponsored video has like sold me and made me felt confident in a manufacturers product. As Linus said, the fact that Seasonic sponsored this means that they are confident that their power supplies will pass all the tests.
Wow, you really went to town on the PSU test rack. That's a serious bit of kit. Very flexible, good choices. Wouldn't surprise me if Choma start offering this bespoke rack to the PSU makers. They all watch your videos, so they'll want to make sure it passes on this exact same rack. You can really push the industry here. Well done. Open source the test interface hardware and software.
Really love seeing you here @EEVblog 😌It would be great if you can publish out a video as well on this topic or maybe you already have one. It would be nice to see how this thing works from your perspective as well. I love your channel! Been watching it since my college days taking Electronics & Communications Engineering and that was many years ago 😅.
Love the honesty from Kyle - "Why are you telling me this like you're the one who is actually going to build this stuff" Linus being yelled at should be the norm in videos moving forward! Hahaha!
just shows that Linus trusts his experts and they trust him back. Cant get a better work relationship than that. Shame that Most companies have yet to understand this.
Gotta love a boss that lets you yell at them with no repercussions. Takes a good one to realize when they're out of line or outclassed. The worst are the ones that hire you for your expertise and then treat you like you're not an expert. Pissing contests like that ruin companies
As a test engineer, I've got to say, this is a really impressive test setup (not sure about the pass/fail thingy though, not entirely sure what it is and what it's needed for). One note though, even if you have a scope, a DMM is still necessary because a scope is specialised at getting timing information very accurately and exact amplitude is usually less useful. So while a scope will have some DMM function, it's only going to give you like 3 or maybe 4 digits of precision, whereas a DMM can easily go to 6.5 digit. Admittedly that accuracy is maybe overkill for PSUs but it gives you trust in your measurements, i.e. if the 6.5 digit DMM says the voltage is 12.56864 then you maybe don't care about the microvolt accuracy (and realistically you're not gonna use it in microvolt range because acquisition time is very slow in that range) but you're not ever gonna doubt the millivolt accuracy.
So as a test engineer you shouldn't be that impressed, that's normal measuring equipment. As for the DMM, I have to say you're right on the one hand and wrong on the other. The Chroma already has a relatively high-speed DMM built in, so in principle it's not necessary, but in fact it needs to be calibrated and for that a DMM is useful, at least if you do it yourself and want to achieve very accurate results. What surprises me is that they bought the automatic Chroma, which is completely unsuitable for a laboratory.
@@moredots The automatic chroma is for random testing. You write the program, connect the power supply and get a protocol. The programs are also interchangeable, so if there are problems you can test the same power supply with the same program on a second Chroma. The advantage is that the operator does not have to know anything about the Chroma, just connect the power supply, press the button, everyone can do it. If problems occur, this is forwarded and the engineer/physicist looks at it. This is why they are also used in QA. The disadvantage is that it is more difficult to do anything beyond that, you are somewhat bound to the program. So if you want to test something special, or there were problems in the process, etc.. you have to rewrite the program. It is not impossible to intervene directly, but you realize that these are not meant for that, but rather for automated testing. The manual ones are then used in laboratories (not only in power supplies, but also in batteries, solar cells, aviation and space technology. Everywhere where electricity is converted or generated) with several and high quality measuring equipment like oscilloscopes. These can also be programmed, but also allow complete manual access. It is not only about the tests themselves but about the combination of the electronic loads, the manual ones allow very easy exchange of the loads. So you can adapt them to changed test operations e.g. ATX 3.0 They are also used in the labs of the manufacturers, at Cooler Master HQ I know that they use tektronix oscilloscope, one costs over 10000$. Enermax, FSP, Seasonic... also use both, but there my info is very old. Also the other well known power supply testers use them like Aris Mpitziopoulos(Cybenetics, Toms, hardwarebusters), Hardwareluxx, TweakPC... The disadvantage here is that you need very good professionals. The smaller test sites use Sunmoon Load Tester, these are much less accurate but also offer many options. These are also used by the manufacturers for RMA
@@tytusromek9267 thanks for the response. That all makes sense. So that's the piece of equipment directly below all the DC loads, right? I work in development not QA so we spend our money on oscilloscopes (I much prefer my LeCroys to Tektronix), but I do have 4 or 5 Chroma programmable AC supplies, though a few generations older than this one. I asked for one from Santa Claus (to do high current surge testing) to the tune of about $75k but I don't know if it's in the cards this year. I have also lusted after a DC load mainframe like this (just the loads, not all the other stuff) but it's hard to justify when you've got stuff that already kinda does the job. Me: I want a Chroma programmable DC electronic load mainframe! Mom: We have DC electronic loads at home. DC Electronic Loads at Home:
I absolutely love the sass from Kyle "Why are you telling me this like you're the one who's going too be building this?" With all the sass of a mother trying to get their child to understand why they should do the right thing.
Few things say "I believe in the product I make" than sponsoring the equipment to actually test it AND its competition, and the way in the WAN show the ONLY thing they wanted Linus to talk about was their warranty. Massive props to Seasonic for actually doing what matters
Right! Last week I just put together a new rig and after much research I settled on the Seasonic FOCUS GX-850, 850W 80+ Gold, Full-Modular, with Silent operation. It is amazing and after seeing this I couldn't be happier with my decision. I love that it will run silent while web browsing/streaming TH-cam. the setup: Asus TUF GAMING Z690-PLUS mainboard w/ i7 12700k.. ASUS ROG Strix RTX 3070 Ti OC Im also loving my new Noctua NH-U12S.
@@dobrx6199 or like he copy pasted the name, because every single computer part has a thousand random letters and numbers for its name and is impossible to remember
In Germany almost every house has a 3 Phase 230V 16A outlet which would be able to put out about 11kW. Some houses and most farms have 32A outlets, but most people use them with 40A breakers. So we'd be able to draw 48kW from our wall.
Was going to say something similar for the UK. Most commonly cookers are installed on a 30amp fuse which would mean it could draw just over 7kw, and you can get higher fused outlets for things like EV chargers. Think he maybe means from a standard outlet though not sure.
@@georeb7040 I think so too. 230V 16A single phase would be 3650W. Cookers in Germany usually use two seperate plugs for two seperate outlets with two seperate phases to get 400V.
Kyle is wicked smart, he helped run a makerspace before covid, just down the street from LTT. always great to see him in the videos, 100% Kyle is just like that in real life.
The lab is the most exciting thing in IT I've seen for a while. This is reallly going to shake up how the qualiity of even basic components are manufactured.
if you really want to go for this "docked" solution, you should make a pcb that slides in as a whole but still do a flexible connection to the test bench (Between PCB and Testbench) to take away the stress from the connectors when plugged in. Because there always is a little. That way you have a quick connection for every plug like you mentioned but also keep the connectors in good shape.
Linus, I'm an engineer and love the LMG content across all the channels. Very much looking forward to more lab content and hope your engineering team will get more on camera time and hosting roles.
@@FakeChannel4 There will always be people who don’t pull their weight, and they are far more likely to do this to a boss who’s a demanding a-hole, than someone who treats them fairly and with respect.
From what I hear PSUs like Seasonic Prime perform better in the US than the equivalent EU version because they're designed with the US power grid in mind and then converted. Any idea if this is true and can this fancy machine test for it?
The EU has a different power grid and does not have the problems that US households have or the problems with high wattage power supplies. Generally power supplies in EU achieve better efficiency than in USA. You can see not only in our reviews.
All of Edison’s power installations across the United States were 110 volts DC. (It was the DC part that was Edison’s downfall. Direct current can’t travel long distances. George Westinghouse and others went with alternating current, and won the “war of currents
LTT Labs is my favorite thing about the current direction of the channel. As a test engineer who spends a significant amount of time dealing with the tools that you guys are using, it is really interesting to listen to what you're doing and think about how it could apply to my job. Keep making the cool content!
@@notstonks20 that… sounds kind of lame, i’d consider even just LTT labs to be a better name. there’s also the fact that there’s a company already called Lab32
Hi, i have 3x25a main fuses at home in the netherlands. And its sometimes at the low side of breaking the main fuses. So 3x25a its 17.000 watt what a home owner in the netherland can handel
We have 16A as well here in Denmark, mostly in automatic relays though, normally it's 230V but the Power connection is 400V, it's used for high power use items like the washing machine, dryer, electric heating and stove. You can have 25A in some house I think, but those would be rare and not relay. So a normal house can go from 3680W to around 6400W, depending on what connection you use.
@@-JustHuman- yes or 2x16a for a electric induction cooker, like a siemens or bosch. Sometimes need a induction cooker 3 fases. If you have the big one in your home.
Meanwhile in Australia, most homes have 10A single phase breakers at 230-240V. Depending on the type of Aircon installed, three phase 415V with 25A breakers may be installed. We rarely need three phase for other appliances, unless you're using industrial/commercial appliances. If you tend to operate high amperage goods in your home workshop (ie welders, compressors, various machinery, etc.), you can get a 15A plug installed with a 16A or 20A breaker.
That's normal.. If it were a channel about cars I wouldn't be complaining if there was a lack of Kias. I'm here to see the cool stuff. If I wanted reviews on a POS car I'd start a TH-cam channel 😂
They are probably going to test regular consumer power supplies with this machine. Linus definitely knows that videos with real world practicality get views
I love the interplay between the natural presenter of Linus and Kyle who clearly is just trying to do an actual job and do it well while having to babysit
This is the kind of tech content I am looking forward to, I'm not a serious gamer so I'm not really concerned with getting the latest and greatest ultra refreshrate monitor etc for myself but I do enjoy learning about what goes into the tech that's out there and knowing why what's good is good and what's bad isn't
I had the same face expressions as Linus during this video. Alot of information about something I have no clue about, but it was very interesting to hear Kyle's expertise about this machine. Looking forward to other content from Lab2.
Holy crap. I was looking at Chroma systems back when I was designing power supplies. Looks like you guys went all out! Re the multimeter: Most oscilloscopes are terrible for making accurate voltage measurements (8-10 bit ADCs). They are just for looking at the waveforms.
I am confused; how can a scope be a piss-poor voltmeter but draw graphs of changing voltages? Are they just bad at defining the absolute voltage of any signal at any moment but really good at comparing it with a measurement taken at another moment?
12:36 - this right here is what EVERY tier 1 power supply manufacturer is feeling right now. Their testing equipment wasn't designed for transient power spike testing, and now that Nvidia isn't backing down on their immense power draw manufacturers had to not only MAKE power supplies that can deal with it but also change their equipment to test that they can deal with it. Ripple effects
This comment needs to be higher up. Power supply evaluation is more important than ever now that the GPU power paradigm has changed and it's no longer sufficient to judge the compatibility of a PSU based on a simple minimum wattage value.
@@dookcurruff9047 I guess I’ve never looked until Corsair PSUs, but it’ll come down to how these LTT labs go for me. My current EVGA PSU handles a 3080 just fine so I’ve got awhile
Having grown up with an electrical engineer father Kyle's reaction to Linus trying to understand anything is basically me my entire childhood watching my dad do anything tech related and then act like I understood anything until I saw his reaction xD
I know this is just dipping into the engineering behind all of this but honestly this video was super helpful to even get my head around what it means to test a product. Would look to see more deep dives into testing and even the theory of testing!
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2:22 - I can totally confirm - worked at UPS as Loader and Driver - NO ONE GIVES A S# about any sticker on the box, fragile or not, temperature or not, chemical or not, whatever man just throw it, step on it, put it as it fits, after seeing how packages are treated by 2 courier companies I was amazed that nothing ever came broken to me. I saw that sticker that turns red but with something different, it was turning red if the package had some shock or whatever, I got a picture of that because I thought that sticker it's cool and a very must-have in case of expansive deliveries, though the package was way smaller and that sticker was wayyy red by the time I got my hands on - also, a package that size can't really be flipped without really bad maneuvers, I doubt anyone lifted it without a forklift
04:27 almost there. 16A at 230V~240V so 3680W at 230V to trip a european breaker prepared for normal usage. Here the most common/basic house layout is one or two 10A circuit for lighting, some (2-to-whatever) 16A circuits for normal usage, one 20A circuit for washer+water heather (similar to how people in 130V have a 230V circuit only for that) and a 25A for the ceramic cooktop in the kitchen. So the day that "ultimate gamer setup" requires 25A/5750W, we'll play in the kitchen, eating is overrated after all >:)
combined with the cable tester and color disks, Linus is on track to genuinely become a person who can speak for consumers and get genuine factual information a lot of companies may omit or mislead customers with.
@@dbman992 Linus has far better equipment. Gamernexus is basically the poor mans reviewer. He always complains over anything. Everything is always too expensive and the cheapest dogshit is somehow always the best choice. He really knows how to cater to his specific "pennyless" audience...
Great! Now overpriced brands won't be able to hide behind a name, and people on a budget will be able to cheap out without causing a fire (I'm looking at you, Gigabyte)...
@@slartibartfast2649 and linus group is more entertaining and are better at explaining this in a way people who are not experienced in the field can understand
I love how little trust there is in Linus not to break/lose/drop this very expensive bit of kit. Nice to put the boss in his place, also nice to see Linus taking it in his stride rather than "don't you know who I am?" sort of thing.
Yeah, I kinda live for seeing that stuff, instead of that weird power dynamic most bosses like to flaunt and can never be wrong. I think you end up gaining more respect by treating people like normal human beings and being able to pick fun at eachother while also making sure the job gets done properly. If Linus really is how he seems on camera then i'd consider myself lucky to be part of the team. Working WITH someone not FOR them.
A true leader builds a team of people that are incredibly intelligent rather than being the smartest in the room at all times… Linus is a damn good leader. Period
What I love about this is how much personal ownership Kyle is taking of this tester. You can really tell it means something to him to have this which means as viewers, we're going to get outstanding content from his use of this bonkers contraption.
I love how Kyle just put _his boss_ when he thought Linus might mess something up, like loosing one of the USB thumb drive. Though for a good reason, it's stupid expensive.
It might sound a little disrespectful, but it's 'tough love' and Linus recognized that b/c for all the ragging we do on him we do know he seems to be a wise and fundamentally decent chap and good boss. Kyle was just making sure Linus Media Group didn't lose a significant amount of money. This is one of the ways you can tell that a company (of any size) is well-run: when the employees feel empowered to argue with their 'superiors' and the 'superiors' actually listen to what they have to say. Watch some videos with Elon Musk at Tesla or Space X : He does drive some employees a way with a bit over the top expectations as to work ethic, but one thing you cannot say is that he doesn't talk to the guys and gals on the 'line' constantly and they do obviously feel free to add their own ideas to things or to disagree with him.
Wish to correct some, in Europe, when we run a 2 fase - We can run like 7.4KWH on one group :) There are even 3 fases, which will double that. Default groups, should run max on ~3.6KWH. So connecting a 2.5 or 3KWH powersupply, should be fine in Europe.
You don't see the problem with this? They will know that you will think that, so even if their product is sh*t they will still sponsor this video. They can't prevent Linus from buying the equipment, but at least they can profit of it now before Linus destroys their brand.
@@Jehty_ the time period between sponsoring this video and the time it would take for the reputation to be demolished (assuming they have a crappy product) wouldn't be enough to recuperate the cost it will take to sponsor linus's videos. Horrible marketing choice because they will simply be at a loss
@@LoneBeastYT your comment makes 0 sense. A sponsorship makes money for a few days maybe a few weeks. That's when most people view the video and therefore see the sponsor. The first test video with this machine will come out in a few months. At that point nobody will remember this sponsorship.
@@Jehty_ 3 people said that seasonic is the best, so they are the best, seasonic can't be loosing money on this investment right? we can ignore the fact that they mentioned an external test bench because they can't test that much POWAAAAA (after a $120k thumb nail) I guess a 4090 is too powerfull or Nvidia paid more then Seasonic who knows 🤔
I love the direction this channel is going. Most tech channels, even the best trusted ones are going to review products based on their own experience or at most some things they can measure with their pc, but you're really going to mathematically demonstrate if a product is a quality one and why it is, love it
I am more excited for the LTT Lab than I have been for a lot of content for a while now. As everyone seems to be saying, it's exciting to see how enthusiastic this new crew is to get things running.
You guys crack me up. The purpose of the extensive ground bonding in the enclosure is something called equipotential bonding. It not only helps maintain a constant electric field in the enclosure it also protects the internals from static discharge.
Electrical bonding is important, I worked aircraft electronics for years, and every piece was grounded just like this. Most equipment had spring centered contact patches to ensure it.
Card are similar that way but the opposite the grounds are one of the first places to check if you are having an open condition because the manufacturers are lazy about ensuring good ground
@@stuartlunsford7556 looks like these are indeed their own instruments or at least no rebranded Keysight. Keysight btw for sure does not have any OEM they do their own instruments.
Honestly there needs to be a sticker on products that says LTT approved I dont think there is anyone else out there who does so much to make sure we are truly getting the best
As an electronics engeneering student from Brazil, i can't remember a video that got me so happy watching it. Thank you guys, i wish you the best, and am anxiosly waiting for the PSU testing videos.
Actually its under europes brakers, we usually have 10 amps for 230v BUT we can also go up to 16 amps for a circuit with multiple things on it, thats the usual household setup. That comes up to 3680w of power
@@TheMyleyD Maybe, I haven't seen the sand ones. I've only seen ones that have 5 or 6 balls in differently angled channels. When the package is tilted beyond that angle, the ball drops into a permanent holding cell to indicate it has went past that point.
There are also indicators that show the size of any bullets going through your parcel when in transit through Texas. It's those big light brown panels all around the package.
Linus's slightly underwhelming reaction to that slew rate state is almost hilarious! Thats an insane amount of change in power per uS... those things gonna get toasty warm if pushed that hard!!!
That’s why datasheets always use units like V/s to make it sound more impressive. In this case the slew rate is 8,000,000 amps per second. Not bad considering PSU measurements use a 20mhz bandwidth limit by convention.
I love this orange shirt guy. I love his energy and the pushback he gives to Linus. Obviously he creates the atmosphere where this feedback is acceptable _(good mgmt),_ but it's great to see. This dude is passionate. Can't wait to see both LTT's and GamersNexus PSU results, then compare to TomsHardware. I love all these new datapoints!
little late in watching this, but you can use a forklift, or a manual "pallet stacker". Check them out on amazon or something At large data centers, at least the one i work for, we have our own custom made ones at each data center, to lift fully loaded server racks off of pallets, push the pallet away, then we just roll the server rack to its location, and then drop and place
I used to work for a Heater Manufacturer and they use Tip N Tell on all of their units and are posted on the outside before the shipping process. If any of those were fully or slightly into the arrow part of the label, we would tell all of our customers to not accept the unit(s) and we would replace them for free.
LMGs growth is honestly something to truly aspire for, this IS the content we want to watch. More technical, in depth, engineering oriented and science-based content will make us consumers much much more educated on these topics thus when picking a product not only will we pick the best choice but we'll know exactly why we picked it (which helps greatly with buyers remorse).
It will force companies to either up the performance or stop the claims they give that their product can do as well. This could cause some companies to be industry standards and some fall off.
I am absolutely amazing more than anything about the packaging slip thing that can tell if it was upside down or tipped. That, is real engineering at it's finest.
That jab at Colton when you said "separate the good from the bad," and it was a picture of the LTT logo, and then Colton comes out and gets separated from it, had me cracking up. You guys play into that meme in the best possible ways 😂
Seasonic sponsoring this video and putting you on track to use the same hardware for testing they use is actually a big-brain move. Because now, they will always have the home field advantage. Even if a competitor is using a piece of kit for testing with more capability than this one does, it won't matter because this one can't see those bars to compare against.
Realistically he'd done MONTHS of research on this aside from just seasonic's input, and just because that's what they use doesn't mean they can't also push seasonic power supplies to their limit (along with all the other competition). This build EXCEEDS seasonic's own even with newer hardware than they have.
In terms of optics, Seasonic sponsoring the video and providing the spec for the gear that will be used to test their products isn't really a great indicator of much other than how big of a favor Linus owes them when his company is reviewing their gear. Having said that, they do have a reputation of making high quality stuff. The ethical move would have been to stay away from the process and let LTT come up with their own methodology with the confidence they would look good no matter what the lab threw at them.
There seems to be some misinterpretation of my comment, so I'm hoping to clear things up here. What I meant was that there are probably a handful of companies that make testers like these. Of them, they probably each have their pros and cons, and each might have some niche thing that sets them apart from each other. I have no doubt that he spent months researching the varying options, but what you can find out about something from sales persons and brouchers is a sliver of what you can learn from talking to people with first hand experience. So, ultimately, the more support Seasonic gave to LMG, the more it helped sway the use of a similar system to what they themselves used to benchmark and test the quality of their and their competitors products. This gives them a homefield advantage over manufacturers that test their equipment using a setup made by a different company. I would say in a similar fashion to convincing them to only test gpus on motherboards running intel processors would give a company an advantage over another gpu manufacturer that optomizes for amd processors. I hope that makes sense. I'm not saying this is a bad thing. I'm sure there is an industry standard that everyone tests to. But it's those niche things that go beyond which will set everything apart in the higher end of products. Seasonic is definitely putting their money where their mouth is though, and that's good. I hope more companies do in the future.
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There used to be a time where Linus was the smartest guy in the room, this video clearly shows that the team he has built are experts in their respective fields and make Linus look like a child. Kudos to Linus and LMG, you've grown beyond what I imagined. All the best!
Makes linus look like a child who is gleefully doing what he loves to do and make money doing it and spending his time with equally passionate people.
all these experts he is hiring need someone that can orchestrate them and this is what Linus excels at
Truly the goal of industry: hire people who understand things you dont.
Knowing the details about everything in tech isn't realistic. Personally, I don't know much about enterprise networking, writing assembly, robotics, nuclear reactors. Nor do I really care to.
There are two VERY different channels I watch regularly that demonstrate how TH-cam can be used to grow a business if run by the right people. LTT of course, and the 18th Century history channel Townsends. Townsends was a family owned store that sold mainly to 18th century reenactors, and in some ways it still is, but it's also a fabulous educational channel about life in the 18th century.
There is a lot of garbage and totally forgettable stuff on TH-cam, but LTT and Townsends show just how good it can be.
I really feel for Kyle here. A fellow well intended a engineer put in a lot of effort on a project that is serious and the boss is like "BuT wE HaVE tO MakE tHe CaBlEs OuRSelVes!" Story of my life right there.
you know that was semi-scripted right?
Kyle is probably the one who went over to Linus and said, if you *actually* want to test power supplies properly, its going to cost *at least* 100k and here's why. Linus approved the purchased of a state of the art testing equipment. Its not uncommon in industry for engineers (test engineers in particular) to bring capital expenditures to their bosses only to be rebuffed because "its too expensive". So I'll let Linus have some slack as the guy who approved all this in the first place, he's earned his right to be a goof.
@@LuisVelazquezLV3 It seems natural to me. Not saying that it's not scripted, but as long as it's scripted to be natural there's nothing wrong with it.
@@Sidowse We shouldn't forget TH-cam. For content creating you dont really need to be smart and they earn lots of money from youtube which could back them up
I love the direction you guys are taking with the company. This is the stuff of dreams.
Also very useful. There are not many professional independent testers for these kinds of things.
I love all the people LTT has added for labs. Clearly they're knowledgeable and passionate about tech! Labs is gonna be killer. Love it!
the people he has hired do seem apt to test a specific kind of power - white power, unfortunately.
@@rstidman are you seriously bringing race into this? Get over yourself for once - it’s not all about white supremacy!
@@rstidman bruh he living in canada not central africa or china
@@rstidman Ever thought of he's living in a white neighborhood? He's not gonna source people from far just for their skin color. That, in fact, would also be discrimination.
@@rstidman he is in Canada. From some research, it seems Canada has a mainly "white" population, mainly people identify as Canadian, or mainly other European countries such as English, German, Irish, etc. From the 2016 census, 73% said they were of European origin. The highest rated "non white" (as I would see) is 5% identifying as Chinese, and only 3% as black. In their area (Vancouver), it seems pretty representative of their team, mostly European Canadian and Chinese.
Tldr: they are in a country where most people are white, and thus they hire mostly white.
I love how passionate Kyle seems about future testing, when we get to chewing up PSUs and spitting them back out we need him to be the host.
God i love Kyle. guy is such a great dude. he needs more screen time.
Absolutely. Kyle seems like that nerd bro that don’t give no fucks and ain’t no simp. I like him and his genuinely passionate approach to his job
Hey can anyone answer a stupid question I have? They said North American power tops out at 2000w. Is it possible that computer components become so power hungry that there is a limit to what is possible? Like GPU’s and CPU’s stop progressing because there’s no more power available?
@@granthoover9045 possible, but unlikely. New generations of hardware have focused pretty hard on reducing consumption and increasing efficiency. This is most seen in memory and processors denoted as LP or L, which is generally short for low power, or sometimes LV in memory case for low voltage.
DDR5 uses less power overall for the same output a comparable DDR4 would. The same can be seen in newer processors, since we’re at a point where we’re installing transistors so small we can’t make them smaller. Like it’s literally against the laws of physics to make them smaller.
So much of the focus the last few years has been making less do the same, which increases efficiency by space.
2000 watts is ALOT of juice for a computer, we’re talking a terabyte of memory or dual socket platinum 48 core xeon processors with 96 PCIE lanes. Maybe some Bitcoin mining farms will hit 2k per breaker, but only after 4 high end 500 watt graphics cards chewing away at them hashes.
I run a server In my house, and it’s 16 years old, DDR2 FB no multi threading. Old and hungry. Barely eats 700 watts at full output, and around 250 at idle.
So I’d say it’s possible, but unlikely. Just from the hardware perspective, there are plenty of options, and from an engineering standpoint, nothing is impossible.
Love these vids, but they’re getting a bit too technical for me to follow.
I love the aesthetic design of this sort of stuff, firmly rooted in 1990 due to not being for consumers. Imagine how bad it would look if it was "gamerified"
It’s be another $15,000 for RGB
This isnt even a consumer thing.... stupid to even think of making it to appeal to them
@@umutozbay6 that’s literally exactly what they are saying
@@umutozbay6 that’s what the comment said
You mean, how great* it would look in RGB
This is the first time, a sponsored video has like sold me and made me felt confident in a manufacturers product. As Linus said, the fact that Seasonic sponsored this means that they are confident that their power supplies will pass all the tests.
yeah i am sure Seasonic has a dozen of these or better that they run their tests on.
Wow, you really went to town on the PSU test rack. That's a serious bit of kit. Very flexible, good choices. Wouldn't surprise me if Choma start offering this bespoke rack to the PSU makers. They all watch your videos, so they'll want to make sure it passes on this exact same rack. You can really push the industry here. Well done. Open source the test interface hardware and software.
Maybe a video on eevblog2 explaining how some of this thing works?
@@scottpelletier1370 Kraykie! (Don't know how to write it 🤣)
Really love seeing you here @EEVblog 😌It would be great if you can publish out a video as well on this topic or maybe you already have one. It would be nice to see how this thing works from your perspective as well. I love your channel! Been watching it since my college days taking Electronics & Communications Engineering and that was many years ago 😅.
@@johnkristian Crikey!
@@scottpelletier1370 lol don't think too hard, plenty of nice articles on these topics
Love the honesty from Kyle - "Why are you telling me this like you're the one who is actually going to build this stuff"
Linus being yelled at should be the norm in videos moving forward! Hahaha!
I definitely replayed that bit a couple of times, it was brilliant.
just shows that Linus trusts his experts and they trust him back. Cant get a better work relationship than that. Shame that Most companies have yet to understand this.
Yes
But Linus will be paying Kyle's wages while he builds the stuff. It's BOSS Linus talking, since prebuilt cables are only a couple of bucks a piece.
Gotta love a boss that lets you yell at them with no repercussions. Takes a good one to realize when they're out of line or outclassed.
The worst are the ones that hire you for your expertise and then treat you like you're not an expert. Pissing contests like that ruin companies
As a test engineer, I've got to say, this is a really impressive test setup (not sure about the pass/fail thingy though, not entirely sure what it is and what it's needed for). One note though, even if you have a scope, a DMM is still necessary because a scope is specialised at getting timing information very accurately and exact amplitude is usually less useful. So while a scope will have some DMM function, it's only going to give you like 3 or maybe 4 digits of precision, whereas a DMM can easily go to 6.5 digit. Admittedly that accuracy is maybe overkill for PSUs but it gives you trust in your measurements, i.e. if the 6.5 digit DMM says the voltage is 12.56864 then you maybe don't care about the microvolt accuracy (and realistically you're not gonna use it in microvolt range because acquisition time is very slow in that range) but you're not ever gonna doubt the millivolt accuracy.
So as a test engineer you shouldn't be that impressed, that's normal measuring equipment. As for the DMM, I have to say you're right on the one hand and wrong on the other. The Chroma already has a relatively high-speed DMM built in, so in principle it's not necessary, but in fact it needs to be calibrated and for that a DMM is useful, at least if you do it yourself and want to achieve very accurate results. What surprises me is that they bought the automatic Chroma, which is completely unsuitable for a laboratory.
Reading this makes me feel stupid.
@@tytusromek9267 what's an Automatic Chroma? Didn't hear them mention that during the video. Unless you mean the pass/fail tester thing.
@@moredots The automatic chroma is for random testing. You write the program, connect the power supply and get a protocol. The programs are also interchangeable, so if there are problems you can test the same power supply with the same program on a second Chroma.
The advantage is that the operator does not have to know anything about the Chroma, just connect the power supply, press the button, everyone can do it. If problems occur, this is forwarded and the engineer/physicist looks at it. This is why they are also used in QA.
The disadvantage is that it is more difficult to do anything beyond that, you are somewhat bound to the program. So if you want to test something special, or there were problems in the process, etc.. you have to rewrite the program. It is not impossible to intervene directly, but you realize that these are not meant for that, but rather for automated testing.
The manual ones are then used in laboratories (not only in power supplies, but also in batteries, solar cells, aviation and space technology. Everywhere where electricity is converted or generated) with several and high quality measuring equipment like oscilloscopes.
These can also be programmed, but also allow complete manual access. It is not only about the tests themselves but about the combination of the electronic loads, the manual ones allow very easy exchange of the loads. So you can adapt them to changed test operations e.g. ATX 3.0
They are also used in the labs of the manufacturers, at Cooler Master HQ I know that they use tektronix oscilloscope, one costs over 10000$. Enermax, FSP, Seasonic... also use both, but there my info is very old.
Also the other well known power supply testers use them like Aris Mpitziopoulos(Cybenetics, Toms, hardwarebusters), Hardwareluxx, TweakPC...
The disadvantage here is that you need very good professionals.
The smaller test sites use Sunmoon Load Tester, these are much less accurate but also offer many options. These are also used by the manufacturers for RMA
@@tytusromek9267 thanks for the response. That all makes sense. So that's the piece of equipment directly below all the DC loads, right?
I work in development not QA so we spend our money on oscilloscopes (I much prefer my LeCroys to Tektronix), but I do have 4 or 5 Chroma programmable AC supplies, though a few generations older than this one. I asked for one from Santa Claus (to do high current surge testing) to the tune of about $75k but I don't know if it's in the cards this year.
I have also lusted after a DC load mainframe like this (just the loads, not all the other stuff) but it's hard to justify when you've got stuff that already kinda does the job.
Me: I want a Chroma programmable DC electronic load mainframe!
Mom: We have DC electronic loads at home.
DC Electronic Loads at Home:
Holy cow. Hard core. Congratulations. Can’t wait to see the testing.
I absolutely love the sass from Kyle
"Why are you telling me this like you're the one who's going too be building this?"
With all the sass of a mother trying to get their child to understand why they should do the right thing.
how long we think he'll last being this snappy to the boss on camera
@@camhissey this is why linus hired him, because linus is not a engineer / electrician.
@@camhissey I mean Colton is still around and gets fired basically every time he is on camera and likely even more off camera.
i expected linus to say "i pay your time that you use to do it?"
@@camhissey you just summed up all lasting ltt members... on camera that's what he wants you to do lol
Few things say "I believe in the product I make" than sponsoring the equipment to actually test it AND its competition, and the way in the WAN show the ONLY thing they wanted Linus to talk about was their warranty. Massive props to Seasonic for actually doing what matters
Right! Last week I just put together a new rig and after much research I settled on the Seasonic FOCUS GX-850, 850W 80+ Gold, Full-Modular, with Silent operation. It is amazing and after seeing this I couldn't be happier with my decision. I love that it will run silent while web browsing/streaming TH-cam. the setup: Asus TUF GAMING Z690-PLUS mainboard w/ i7 12700k.. ASUS ROG Strix RTX 3070 Ti OC Im also loving my new Noctua NH-U12S.
@@scottcol23 Lol this sounds like an advertisement
@@dobrx6199 or like he copy pasted the name, because every single computer part has a thousand random letters and numbers for its name and is impossible to remember
This is like the time this bullet proof vest company ceo shot themselves with the body armor on to prove it works.
@@scottcol23 Noctua makes the best fans.
I can't wait for Labs to be fully operational. It's going to be great for the community and keeping manufacturers accountable
In Germany almost every house has a 3 Phase 230V 16A outlet which would be able to put out about 11kW. Some houses and most farms have 32A outlets, but most people use them with 40A breakers. So we'd be able to draw 48kW from our wall.
Was going to say something similar for the UK. Most commonly cookers are installed on a 30amp fuse which would mean it could draw just over 7kw, and you can get higher fused outlets for things like EV chargers. Think he maybe means from a standard outlet though not sure.
@@georeb7040 I think so too. 230V 16A single phase would be 3650W. Cookers in Germany usually use two seperate plugs for two seperate outlets with two seperate phases to get 400V.
Yeah my kettle alone in the UK can draw 3.5kW. Never really appreciated our electrical system 😂
Linus, this guy knows his stuff and was confident enough to tell you exactly how it is. Keep him around!
Kyle is wicked smart, he helped run a makerspace before covid, just down the street from LTT. always great to see him in the videos, 100% Kyle is just like that in real life.
Why are you guys imagining linus as the average narky boss? Jeez its like you've never watched a WAN show or channel superfun or something.
@@sid6645 He's actually gotten pretty snarky and rude over the years.
"I SPENT 6 MONTHS RESEARCHING THIS..."
The pain in the man's voice is unfeigned
Anyone who's as excited about industrial test equipment as Kyle is is a keeper.
I love people like the gentle man in orange who know their stuff....as always, linus has me learning something new
Seasonic and D-Brand are absolutely the best sponsors LTT often have. The balls on those companies are massive.
Thank you
@@fyutffdtuibgfetu do you work there? Your company is awesome.
@@stevess7777 no. I work there. He is just rando
Damn niceee 🔥
@@stevess7777 lol no, but I actually work for Seasonic 😊
The lab is the most exciting thing in IT I've seen for a while. This is reallly going to shake up how the qualiity of even basic components are manufactured.
if you really want to go for this "docked" solution, you should make a pcb that slides in as a whole but still do a flexible connection to the test bench (Between PCB and Testbench) to take away the stress from the connectors when plugged in. Because there always is a little.
That way you have a quick connection for every plug like you mentioned but also keep the connectors in good shape.
3:47 look at that employee boss relatiobship
Linus, I'm an engineer and love the LMG content across all the channels. Very much looking forward to more lab content and hope your engineering team will get more on camera time and hosting roles.
I love trains, must be a great job Rob :D Yes, I know...
I adore the working relationship Linus has with his team. 99% of employees walk on eggshells around their boss and I wish it could be more like this.
This is how it should be, and the employees gets so much more productive this way.
Until you get the employees that stop respecting their boss because they're "friends" and start slacking.
@@FakeChannel4 Give it a few more years 😜
@@FakeChannel4 There will always be people who don’t pull their weight, and they are far more likely to do this to a boss who’s a demanding a-hole, than someone who treats them fairly and with respect.
And then there's "always fired" Colton xD
Kyle is like LTT's Bertram Gilfoyle. I love him... we need more Kyle yelling at Linus on the channel.
From what I hear PSUs like Seasonic Prime perform better in the US than the equivalent EU version because they're designed with the US power grid in mind and then converted. Any idea if this is true and can this fancy machine test for it?
The EU has a different power grid and does not have the problems that US households have or the problems with high wattage power supplies. Generally power supplies in EU achieve better efficiency than in USA. You can see not only in our reviews.
All of Edison’s power installations across the United States were 110 volts DC. (It was the DC part that was Edison’s downfall. Direct current can’t travel long distances. George Westinghouse and others went with alternating current, and won the “war of currents
if that is true then its kind of a stupid decision IMO, there are far more people running 220v-240v power than there are running 110v-120v
LTT Labs is my favorite thing about the current direction of the channel. As a test engineer who spends a significant amount of time dealing with the tools that you guys are using, it is really interesting to listen to what you're doing and think about how it could apply to my job.
Keep making the cool content!
LTT labs has an official name now, Lab32
@@notstonks20 that… sounds kind of lame, i’d consider even just LTT labs to be a better name. there’s also the fact that there’s a company already called Lab32
@@neek01 how about: LigmaLabs
4:25
Speaking for Germany here:
We have 16A breakers for many if not most outlets. Since we're using 230V we can draw up to 3680W from the wall.
@@bradhaines3142 I mean, anyway this winter at least here in europe not many people are gonna draw 3680watt from the wall ^^
Hi, i have 3x25a main fuses at home in the netherlands. And its sometimes at the low side of breaking the main fuses.
So 3x25a its 17.000 watt what a home owner in the netherland can handel
We have 16A as well here in Denmark, mostly in automatic relays though, normally it's 230V but the Power connection is 400V, it's used for high power use items like the washing machine, dryer, electric heating and stove. You can have 25A in some house I think, but those would be rare and not relay.
So a normal house can go from 3680W to around 6400W, depending on what connection you use.
@@-JustHuman- yes or 2x16a for a electric induction cooker, like a siemens or bosch. Sometimes need a induction cooker 3 fases. If you have the big one in your home.
Meanwhile in Australia, most homes have 10A single phase breakers at 230-240V. Depending on the type of Aircon installed, three phase 415V with 25A breakers may be installed. We rarely need three phase for other appliances, unless you're using industrial/commercial appliances. If you tend to operate high amperage goods in your home workshop (ie welders, compressors, various machinery, etc.), you can get a 15A plug installed with a 16A or 20A breaker.
This is a skit without it being a skit 😂 Linus you’re like my brother, a genius but I wouldn’t let you touch my things.
I am always very excited and proud when people in Linus' team are from South Africa
Can't wait to indulge in testing content on hardware I can't even afford!
That's normal.. If it were a channel about cars I wouldn't be complaining if there was a lack of Kias. I'm here to see the cool stuff. If I wanted reviews on a POS car I'd start a TH-cam channel 😂
@@aesop2733 There's just something so satisfying watching things getting unboxed and tested, once you do it yourself, it's just one and done.
They are probably going to test regular consumer power supplies with this machine. Linus definitely knows that videos with real world practicality get views
@@manaatti27 absolutely! I thought you were being sarcastic.
@@tylersanders2388 regular consumer products that I can't afford
I love the interplay between the natural presenter of Linus and Kyle who clearly is just trying to do an actual job and do it well while having to babysit
Absolutely 😂
And it’s even funnier because Linus is technically his boss but it’s more like Kyle is just watching Linus the whole time so he doesn’t break anything
It is good to have a boss that respects your area of expertise tho, bet he doesn't mind the arrangement.
kyle is my new favorite person
any time linus touches or complains about anything you just hear "nooooo" from the background
This is the kind of tech content I am looking forward to, I'm not a serious gamer so I'm not really concerned with getting the latest and greatest ultra refreshrate monitor etc for myself but I do enjoy learning about what goes into the tech that's out there and knowing why what's good is good and what's bad isn't
I had the same face expressions as Linus during this video. Alot of information about something I have no clue about, but it was very interesting to hear Kyle's expertise about this machine. Looking forward to other content from Lab2.
Holy crap. I was looking at Chroma systems back when I was designing power supplies. Looks like you guys went all out! Re the multimeter: Most oscilloscopes are terrible for making accurate voltage measurements (8-10 bit ADCs). They are just for looking at the waveforms.
This what I was going to say.
They did say in the video it was just for pretty graphs lol
Long time not seeing a video from you, can you please get "back in business" ? :)
I am confused; how can a scope be a piss-poor voltmeter but draw graphs of changing voltages? Are they just bad at defining the absolute voltage of any signal at any moment but really good at comparing it with a measurement taken at another moment?
@@ahmetrefikeryilmaz4432 Yep, pretty much
12:36 - this right here is what EVERY tier 1 power supply manufacturer is feeling right now. Their testing equipment wasn't designed for transient power spike testing, and now that Nvidia isn't backing down on their immense power draw manufacturers had to not only MAKE power supplies that can deal with it but also change their equipment to test that they can deal with it. Ripple effects
This comment needs to be higher up. Power supply evaluation is more important than ever now that the GPU power paradigm has changed and it's no longer sufficient to judge the compatibility of a PSU based on a simple minimum wattage value.
Yup, 4090 coming out and psu’s need to handle these spikes because they can’t handle a 3090 atm. Nvidia = bigger.
Assuming their PSUs do well in the tests, which I’d imagine they will, Seasonic will definitely be who I go with when I get a new one.
HAH no, corsair
@@dookcurruff9047 I guess I’ve never looked until Corsair PSUs, but it’ll come down to how these LTT labs go for me.
My current EVGA PSU handles a 3080 just fine so I’ve got awhile
@@dookcurruff9047 lol, Corsair employee.
I have a Corsair branded Seasonic power supply. Soooo there's that!
I love that LTT has become the tech version of "Ask This Old House".... awesome content!
Having grown up with an electrical engineer father Kyle's reaction to Linus trying to understand anything is basically me my entire childhood watching my dad do anything tech related and then act like I understood anything until I saw his reaction xD
I know this is just dipping into the engineering behind all of this but honestly this video was super helpful to even get my head around what it means to test a product. Would look to see more deep dives into testing and even the theory of testing!
its boring most viewers dont care about watts and energy enginnnering I fell asleep
@@luisbal20 dude this is ltt 90% of peeps here are nerds that love this stuff u dont know wtf u talking about
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@@bigzary5550 yea computer nerds, not electrical engineering nerds
@@luisbal20 PSUs are like the most important component of a build. I think any salient PC nerd will care.
As an EE, I felt his pain so much dealing with Linus in this video, haha!
2:22 - I can totally confirm - worked at UPS as Loader and Driver - NO ONE GIVES A S# about any sticker on the box, fragile or not, temperature or not, chemical or not, whatever man just throw it, step on it, put it as it fits, after seeing how packages are treated by 2 courier companies I was amazed that nothing ever came broken to me.
I saw that sticker that turns red but with something different, it was turning red if the package had some shock or whatever, I got a picture of that because I thought that sticker it's cool and a very must-have in case of expansive deliveries, though the package was way smaller and that sticker was wayyy red by the time I got my hands on - also, a package that size can't really be flipped without really bad maneuvers, I doubt anyone lifted it without a forklift
"If you loose it, it's 70 grand to replace it." Man, I love how much of a racket enterprise computing is.
In this case it's warented. This is highly speciallized software that took a lot of manhours to develop and maintain
Lose*
Don't believe all the bs you hear...
Just about everything is a racket enterprise in captialism
@@charlesmiv3842 Guys, I think we found Lenin.
0:17 poor Colton...
04:27 almost there. 16A at 230V~240V so 3680W at 230V to trip a european breaker prepared for normal usage.
Here the most common/basic house layout is one or two 10A circuit for lighting, some (2-to-whatever) 16A circuits for normal usage, one 20A circuit for washer+water heather (similar to how people in 130V have a 230V circuit only for that) and a 25A for the ceramic cooktop in the kitchen.
So the day that "ultimate gamer setup" requires 25A/5750W, we'll play in the kitchen, eating is overrated after all >:)
No problem, we can handle 11 000 W @ 400V in most Danish kitchens lol ;)
@@96Lauriz Those are some powerful kettles!
2:43 or they can just easily took it off, tilt it and when its upright again put it back.
combined with the cable tester and color disks, Linus is on track to genuinely become a person who can speak for consumers and get genuine factual information a lot of companies may omit or mislead customers with.
7:07
@@Julzaa lol that was funny
No doubt. At this rate Linus is on track to be GamersNexus Lite - now with more clickbait.
@@benjaminlynch9958 I wouldn't call it the lite version when they bought more advanced and new equipment.
@@dbman992 Linus has far better equipment. Gamernexus is basically the poor mans reviewer. He always complains over anything. Everything is always too expensive and the cheapest dogshit is somehow always the best choice. He really knows how to cater to his specific "pennyless" audience...
Great! Now overpriced brands won't be able to hide behind a name, and people on a budget will be able to cheap out without causing a fire (I'm looking at you, Gigabyte)...
@@dontreadmyprofilepicture5552 fuck off and go back to 2012 when this was actually an original idea
@@davidbrennan5 Linus has a broader and more diversified audience so the exposition might as well be bigger.
@@davidbrennan5 The testing GN does is not as sophisticated as this though.
@@slartibartfast2649 and linus group is more entertaining and are better at explaining this in a way people who are not experienced in the field can understand
Didn't they buy an hdmi/usb tester thingy? Lol did anyone even save money or did he even give any recommendations?
Box says “fragile”, Linus: hits it with a sledgehammer.
looking forward to having benchmarks from all the power supplys
I love how little trust there is in Linus not to break/lose/drop this very expensive bit of kit. Nice to put the boss in his place, also nice to see Linus taking it in his stride rather than "don't you know who I am?" sort of thing.
"don't you know who I am?"
"Yes, I do know exactly who are, that's why I'm telling you to stop touching that right away!!"
That's what I came here to say! Such a good professional dynamic in that workplace, must be great to work there :)
Yeah, I kinda live for seeing that stuff, instead of that weird power dynamic most bosses like to flaunt and can never be wrong. I think you end up gaining more respect by treating people like normal human beings and being able to pick fun at eachother while also making sure the job gets done properly. If Linus really is how he seems on camera then i'd consider myself lucky to be part of the team. Working WITH someone not FOR them.
I love how Linus's workers have to keep him in line with the stuff he's bought so he doesn't break or lose them!
"No! Put it back!"
It’s an act. A gimmick. A character. They don’t.
Yeah, I sometimes wonder why he's a bit aggressive with tech. Maybe he isn't really but he certainly comes across that way from time to time.
No more *puffery* claims by manufacturers or *Bogus* Amazon reviews. This testing lab will be honest unbiased real *Results* !
Very proud of LTT
A true leader builds a team of people that are incredibly intelligent rather than being the smartest in the room at all times… Linus is a damn good leader. Period
What I love about this is how much personal ownership Kyle is taking of this tester. You can really tell it means something to him to have this which means as viewers, we're going to get outstanding content from his use of this bonkers contraption.
And I feel very sorry for him for having to put up with Linus' childish behavior. It was actually kinda heartbreaking.
@@blockbertus don't forget who is the guy allowing he to use that tool.
@@recurssion who pays for it too
@@blockbertus linus is upping the sillyness for the camera
@@blockbertus Almost like hes the founder and boss of an entertainment oriented tech media group or smth smh
I love how Kyle just put _his boss_ when he thought Linus might mess something up, like loosing one of the USB thumb drive. Though for a good reason, it's stupid expensive.
It might sound a little disrespectful, but it's 'tough love' and Linus recognized that b/c for all the ragging we do on him we do know he seems to be a wise and fundamentally decent chap and good boss. Kyle was just making sure Linus Media Group didn't lose a significant amount of money. This is one of the ways you can tell that a company (of any size) is well-run: when the employees feel empowered to argue with their 'superiors' and the 'superiors' actually listen to what they have to say. Watch some videos with Elon Musk at Tesla or Space X : He does drive some employees a way with a bit over the top expectations as to work ethic, but one thing you cannot say is that he doesn't talk to the guys and gals on the 'line' constantly and they do obviously feel free to add their own ideas to things or to disagree with him.
Wish to correct some, in Europe, when we run a 2 fase - We can run like 7.4KWH on one group :) There are even 3 fases, which will double that. Default groups, should run max on ~3.6KWH. So connecting a 2.5 or 3KWH powersupply, should be fine in Europe.
Finally someone who corrects it. Thanks. I was so embarrassed when they said it would trip a European breaker.
Wow!
The whole industry will receive so many answers that we have been waiting for!
YOU ARE BEST!
LOL "The good from the bad" got me
He gonna get fired trust me
@@TokinoSora10thApostle again?
Pooping on Colton is always gold lol.
Colton is doomed 💀
Weirdly enough this is one of the most effective ways to convince me you have a good product. Well done seasonic
You don't see the problem with this?
They will know that you will think that, so even if their product is sh*t they will still sponsor this video.
They can't prevent Linus from buying the equipment, but at least they can profit of it now before Linus destroys their brand.
@@Jehty_ the time period between sponsoring this video and the time it would take for the reputation to be demolished (assuming they have a crappy product) wouldn't be enough to recuperate the cost it will take to sponsor linus's videos. Horrible marketing choice because they will simply be at a loss
@@LoneBeastYT your comment makes 0 sense.
A sponsorship makes money for a few days maybe a few weeks. That's when most people view the video and therefore see the sponsor.
The first test video with this machine will come out in a few months. At that point nobody will remember this sponsorship.
@@Jehty_ Seasonic aren't some fly-by-night company that are going to disappear in a few months.
@@Jehty_ 3 people said that seasonic is the best, so they are the best, seasonic can't be loosing money on this investment right?
we can ignore the fact that they mentioned an external test bench because they can't test that much POWAAAAA (after a $120k thumb nail) I guess a 4090 is too powerfull or Nvidia paid more then Seasonic who knows 🤔
Seasonic is a chad ngl, not afraid to make other people test out their stuff and not chicken out
As an electrician, this is cool as heck, really a lot like the equipment we have at the school. Granted this is very purpose built but still awesome!
This guy is my favorite to watch. His frustration is genuinely cathertic
I love the direction this channel is going. Most tech channels, even the best trusted ones are going to review products based on their own experience or at most some things they can measure with their pc, but you're really going to mathematically demonstrate if a product is a quality one and why it is, love it
GN also recently got into power supply testing and even fan testing
Linus is a multimillionaire and he's driving around in ordinary cars. What a humble lad.
I haven’t understand anything, but it looks cool.
I absolutely love this duo between Kyle and Linus. The same sorta thing Jake and Alex have, they bring out a different version of him :D
Linus's many alter egos ...
I am more excited for the LTT Lab than I have been for a lot of content for a while now. As everyone seems to be saying, it's exciting to see how enthusiastic this new crew is to get things running.
You guys crack me up. The purpose of the extensive ground bonding in the enclosure is something called equipotential bonding. It not only helps maintain a constant electric field in the enclosure it also protects the internals from static discharge.
6:35
"If these overcurrent would they blow their load?"
*looks at camera*
LOL
Electrical bonding is important, I worked aircraft electronics for years, and every piece was grounded just like this. Most equipment had spring centered contact patches to ensure it.
did these Chroma guys actually just rebrand Keysight instruments?
Card are similar that way but the opposite the grounds are one of the first places to check if you are having an open condition because the manufacturers are lazy about ensuring good ground
@@RandomUser2401 Rebranding is pretty common, but I'd bet they share an OEM.
It's called equipotential bonding. And is as it sounds. Equal potential. No difference in voltage anywhere.
@@stuartlunsford7556 looks like these are indeed their own instruments or at least no rebranded Keysight. Keysight btw for sure does not have any OEM they do their own instruments.
Linus: seperate the good from the bad
graphics: seperate LTT from Colton
I literally laughed out loud when I saw that 😂
This! Poor Colton! LOL
After the damage that they did on Linus house, he kinda deserves it
I am extremely excited to see the PSU testing being done… I love this side of LTT. Kyle, you are an awesome personality! Looking forward to more
Respect Seasonic for sponsoring this video!!
“To separate the good from the bad” PROCEEDS to show Colton to represent the bad 💀
...and not Dennis? 🤔
@@deanfranz It's that recurring joke that Colton gets fired nearly every episode.
@@AnnHiroCh Thanks...I needed that.
Respect to Seasonic for sponsoring this. Seriously, that's the direction id love to see companies promote their products.
Honestly there needs to be a sticker on products that says LTT approved
I dont think there is anyone else out there who does so much to make sure we are truly getting the best
"Why are you telling me this like you're the one who's actually going to be building this stuff?"
FIRED.
I am loving how Kyle just bosses Linus around through the entire thing.
jonnyguru would be proud
He is just not having any of Linus's BS and its great.
As an electronics engeneering student from Brazil, i can't remember a video that got me so happy watching it. Thank you guys, i wish you the best, and am anxiosly waiting for the PSU testing videos.
Actually its under europes brakers, we usually have 10 amps for 230v BUT we can also go up to 16 amps for a circuit with multiple things on it, thats the usual household setup. That comes up to 3680w of power
A sick Colton burn right off the bat in the first 30 seconds, amazing.
There's even better ones that show the degree of rotation your parcel has had as well. Super helpful stuff!
@@dontreadmyprofilepicture5552 Okay, just reported as spam. :)
Wasn't that inside the box? The tilt one?
@@TheMyleyD Maybe, I haven't seen the sand ones. I've only seen ones that have 5 or 6 balls in differently angled channels. When the package is tilted beyond that angle, the ball drops into a permanent holding cell to indicate it has went past that point.
There are also indicators that show if the transport vehicle was driven erratically.
There are also indicators that show the size of any bullets going through your parcel when in transit through Texas. It's those big light brown panels all around the package.
As an engineer i feel Kyle's pain when showing new expensive tooling to my boss
Kyle still has a lot to learn about it too. but yeah, Linus knows a lot less about it.
My dad showed Linus to me when I was three, I’m 84 now, still miss him.
Seasonic with their steel balls to sponsor a video like this
Linus's slightly underwhelming reaction to that slew rate state is almost hilarious! Thats an insane amount of change in power per uS... those things gonna get toasty warm if pushed that hard!!!
That’s why datasheets always use units like V/s to make it sound more impressive. In this case the slew rate is 8,000,000 amps per second. Not bad considering PSU measurements use a 20mhz bandwidth limit by convention.
I love this orange shirt guy. I love his energy and the pushback he gives to Linus. Obviously he creates the atmosphere where this feedback is acceptable _(good mgmt),_ but it's great to see. This dude is passionate.
Can't wait to see both LTT's and GamersNexus PSU results, then compare to TomsHardware. I love all these new datapoints!
I would love to see both long-haired nerds go at it to see who can pop the most power supplies.
Funny how people perceive things differently. I think he came across as a bit of a knob.
@@iio58 British your opinion is irrelevant
Its sad johnyguru is now at corsair. The OG power supply test on the net.
@@KarrasBastomi johnyguru was my go to for years before he went to corsair
I’ve always wondered, once unboxed how does one get such a heavy thing off the bottom pallet?
little late in watching this, but you can use a forklift, or a manual "pallet stacker". Check them out on amazon or something
At large data centers, at least the one i work for, we have our own custom made ones at each data center, to lift fully loaded server racks off of pallets, push the pallet away, then we just roll the server rack to its location, and then drop and place
I work for a company that builds and uses testers just like this. EDIT: We build custom cable harnesses as well :)
I used to work for a Heater Manufacturer and they use Tip N Tell on all of their units and are posted on the outside before the shipping process.
If any of those were fully or slightly into the arrow part of the label, we would tell all of our customers to not accept the unit(s) and we would replace them for free.
I assume you would make the shipping company or insurance pay for the "damaged" product?
@@Jehty_ Correct, we would have insurance and discrepancy forms with each freight company we used, that way everything was accounted for.
LMGs growth is honestly something to truly aspire for, this IS the content we want to watch.
More technical, in depth, engineering oriented and science-based content will make us consumers much much more educated on these topics thus when picking a product not only will we pick the best choice but we'll know exactly why we picked it (which helps greatly with buyers remorse).
It will force companies to either up the performance or stop the claims they give that their product can do as well. This could cause some companies to be industry standards and some fall off.
"LMGs growth is honestly something to truly aspire for"
if you're a fan of Kardashians, sure.
@@ryanjcole I am not sure where you're coming from. I don't think Linus fucked a BBC on camera and rode the wave from that.
I am absolutely amazing more than anything about the packaging slip thing that can tell if it was upside down or tipped. That, is real engineering at it's finest.
I love it how little Kyle trusts Linus here. You can see that he is a proper engineer and Linus is a risk factor that can be and should be mitigated.
That jab at Colton when you said "separate the good from the bad," and it was a picture of the LTT logo, and then Colton comes out and gets separated from it, had me cracking up. You guys play into that meme in the best possible ways 😂
Seasonic sponsoring this video and putting you on track to use the same hardware for testing they use is actually a big-brain move. Because now, they will always have the home field advantage. Even if a competitor is using a piece of kit for testing with more capability than this one does, it won't matter because this one can't see those bars to compare against.
I thing Kyle would not only contact seasonic for input.
Realistically he'd done MONTHS of research on this aside from just seasonic's input, and just because that's what they use doesn't mean they can't also push seasonic power supplies to their limit (along with all the other competition). This build EXCEEDS seasonic's own even with newer hardware than they have.
In terms of optics, Seasonic sponsoring the video and providing the spec for the gear that will be used to test their products isn't really a great indicator of much other than how big of a favor Linus owes them when his company is reviewing their gear. Having said that, they do have a reputation of making high quality stuff. The ethical move would have been to stay away from the process and let LTT come up with their own methodology with the confidence they would look good no matter what the lab threw at them.
There seems to be some misinterpretation of my comment, so I'm hoping to clear things up here.
What I meant was that there are probably a handful of companies that make testers like these. Of them, they probably each have their pros and cons, and each might have some niche thing that sets them apart from each other.
I have no doubt that he spent months researching the varying options, but what you can find out about something from sales persons and brouchers is a sliver of what you can learn from talking to people with first hand experience.
So, ultimately, the more support Seasonic gave to LMG, the more it helped sway the use of a similar system to what they themselves used to benchmark and test the quality of their and their competitors products.
This gives them a homefield advantage over manufacturers that test their equipment using a setup made by a different company. I would say in a similar fashion to convincing them to only test gpus on motherboards running intel processors would give a company an advantage over another gpu manufacturer that optomizes for amd processors. I hope that makes sense.
I'm not saying this is a bad thing. I'm sure there is an industry standard that everyone tests to. But it's those niche things that go beyond which will set everything apart in the higher end of products.
Seasonic is definitely putting their money where their mouth is though, and that's good. I hope more companies do in the future.
Exactly what I was thinking. They make their power supplies to suit that machine. Pretty obvious to me
Who needs sitcoms when you have this gold.
Linus is such a know-it-all, it's fun to see his employees fire back or correct him. ha