WAFFLE PADS: what are they, and why are they superior to flat polishing pads? DIY Detail Podcast #21
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ค. 2024
- Foam pads: they're an essential tool for anybody who polishes paint. Most people, these days, are using flat pads. But why doesn't the waffle pad get the love it deserves? In this video, Nick and Yvan go through the ins and outs of foam pads -- and specifically, the features of a waffle pad. Why is it better on car paint, you ask? Yvan has the answers...
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Right on! That's what it's all about
I learned how to detail in a body shop and waffle pads is what the painters used and taught me on , always great content thanks guys
Thanks for spending time to watch, appreciate it!
Great topic.
I remember someone getting emotional about *MY* use of a non flat pad.
My favorite pad of all time is the green Hex Logic, followed by the blue. They're manufactured by Buff and Shine. I don't enjoy doing business with CG so I bought their flat versions. While I'm thankful to have those foams, I much prefer the variegated design.
What I like about the green foam is how well and how comfortably it cuts and finishes. It seems to have that sweet spot for foam where the pores aren't too large that you lose integrity of the foam too soon, but aren't so tight that they don't cut. The blue can actually knock down some light stuff, but leaves a much nicer finish.
The Hex, CCS, and waffle pads all feel so much nicer to operate than the flats. With the Hex I feel I get better coverage of the surface that's being polished.
The Edge company, and 3D used to offer waffle pads in those foams, but sadly dont anymore. If I ever come across one for my 5" backing plate, I'll take then for a spin.
We should have them soon. Unfortunately Lake Country Manufacturing is very slow .
Great information on that. Looking into learning more about it with you guys.
Thank you
I was on a long-ish car trip not too long ago. Listened your podcast playlist. Would recommend it to others.
Thank you
Looking forward to trying the system out
We will let you know when it’s ready for Prime Time:)
Nice upload there fellas, Shine mate Black Diamond pads are brilliant!!
thanks for taking time to watch! Have you tried their red waffles?
I've been using waffle pads for years and it's my favorite go to pads..... for real less sticky and yes more expensive...... as always great video guys. You guys are on top of the game keep it up man. Still can't get the galons products from you guys 🤷🏽♂️
Gallons are available on our website.
@@diydetailofficial im in Canada 🇨🇦 so I order from carzilla i haven't seen the galon size
Can’t wait for these to arrive. Would we be able to use them to polish black chrome molding?
Yes you should, hopefully they arrive in December.
I never tried any of the old OPT waffles but I’ll do it now.
I did adopt the pad washer though and I freakin love it.
Excellent, the pad washer is definitely a great investment.
Still waiting to be able to buy your products on Amazon... 👍👍👍
So are we, it’s a long process to do it right.
Just seen Hawaii Tesla and detailing review your products, awesome
Just saw that too!!
That was a great video, he’s a funny bloke.
Hi guys great explanation. Do you when and how much they are expected to cost? Thanks.
Also I’d like to know if you prefer open or closed cell foam and why if it’s not to much to ask? Thanks!
Lastly, will your polish be sprayable? I’m having the damndest time finding the other brands sprayable compound/polish. It seems to be sold out often. Thanks!
We don’t have the final cost from the manufacturer at the moment.
We used open cell to provide a cooler running long lasting pad.
Yes our polish is Sprayable.
I had some 3M waffle pads that I cut to fit my 5 inch backing plates! ICan't wait for these to come our. Will there be cutting polishing and finishing waffle pads?
Our pad and polish are designed as a one step system.
Rotary polisher - Finish pad - Shine mate red finish pad - my favorite - I can’t find them in the U.S. only in Canada.
Rotary polisher - Cut- 3D wool cutting pad
One step on DA - urofiber 50/50
I love the shine mate red finish pad! -Nick
@@diydetailofficial using angelwax perfect polish, 3D 1, or Carpro Essence - on rotary polisher, I am constantly surprised at the results with old (shine mate red). Top notch
@@domtrabucco7612 technique is always more important than products when it comes to polishing .
Great video! Very informative. I love waffle pads! Unless I have to go to wool pads for heavy cutting.
When are we going to see the gold standard for purchase?Been teasing us for over a month 😭😭
Hopefully within the next month 🤞
@@diydetailofficial nicccee! Cant wait
I have a 6inch rotary I didn’t use much and it’s been sitting for years; do you recommend using wool to cut then waffle to finish?
Yvan teaches cut with a 21mm DA and finish with a foam pad on rotary. Nick likes to cut with a rotary (wool pad) and finish with foam on DA. Play around and see what works for you!!
Good tip! I always used flat! I will have to try waffle pads!
Once you do let us know your thoughts.
@@diydetailofficial 👍
When will these waffle pads be for sale on your website? I currently use Rupes yellow pads for polishing or the white pads for gloss. Yvan knows us older racers are weird and look at heat differently and I really like the cooling pockets in the waffle pad. Thank you guys for the video as I know Yvan has forgotten more about polishing than I know.
Thank you, we are waiting for Lake Country to deliver them.
@@diydetailofficial lake county makes a micro fiber pad also just released. Can you describe the differences and uses for both? I'm super interested in both
The waffle pad was sold by numerous detail pad companies when they first came out and had a great reception from the detail business. However, 3M flexed their patent muscles and everyone got out of the waffle business immediately. Since that time the only way to get a waffle pad was to buy from 3M at a very high price.
Thank you
Rupes now offer waffle pads, even cheaper than their DA 😉
There's plenty of waffle pads. 3m McKees there's some off brand lake country etc
I noticed that the Lake Country HDO pads are now textured instead of flat when I recently ordered a restock. I won't be going back to flat pads. 👍👍
Excellent.
CCS technology. Waffle pads would strike me as being even less grabby.
Correct, we chose waffles for a reason.
I love your videos guys!!! Question, I have a Raven Black Cadillac with a 14 scratch across the truck lid (think someone keyed me). My fingernail does not get caught in the scratch. I tried the yellow pad from Griots but it really didn't do much. Then I saw Ivan's little blurb about 5, 5, 5, using a wool pad. I have a Griots DA polisher 5" pads. Should I attempt your 5,5,5, method Ivan?
The 5-5-5 method really is a method, do you have a wool pad? Best to have gold standard polish and a slightly damp pad like we teach : th-cam.com/video/_PeDOW30xRI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=1TK0Im63PbDqpkKh
@@diydetailofficial Thank you. As soon as your site gets the 5" pads, I will order some. Thank you for the support.
They are back in stock
I’m not getting any sling with the waffle pad combined with a rotary machine. I’ve used the 3M blue waffle pad for their Ultrafina polish. But I used it with DIY gold polish and it works great.
Excellent
Does this pad use the same “OG” yellow foam from the lake country lineup?
Of the foams we tested from Lake Country, this one had the best results with our polish. Lake Country has several foams that we used for testing
Question what about the spta have some pads with cuts those are dangerous?
They are better than flat pads.
With a rotary, I want to do a light polish before a coating. Paint is in great condition. Would you recommend the yellow or red pad? Thanks
@@danielbonner8309 red pad
Is it correct to say that while finishing with a rotary waffle produces less swirls compared to flat pad ?
Very much so.
Do you clean the pad after every section you do? So if i do a 2x2 section i clean the pad after?
Correct, never put clean polish on a dirty pad.
This might off subject but I am just starting to polish paint and know pads are important but I was wondering about lighting and what you guys would recommend Scan Grip,Flex stand mount hand held etc.?
Good general shop lighting is ideal. Handheld lights work, but unfortunately sometimes highlight defects that only can be seen with the light, plus hand held lights are time consuming.
@@diydetailofficial Thank you very much for your quick response also thank you for the letter I received the other day it means a lot in this day and age!!! You have a loyal customer as long as you stay in business which I hope is a long time!!! Thanks again!!!!!!!
Thank you Lee
Is your Red jeweling pad made out of Reticulated or Non Reticulated Foam?
Also how does it compare to either LC waffle Cutback Pro Black Finishing Pad or Their Blue Finessing pad. Is your pad similar to either of these pads?
Besides your Red jeweling pad is 1" thick and is Red in cor. Are there any other differences?
All our foams are reticulated. The foams we use are unique to us, as well as the depth of the waffle.,
Nick the rebel 😂
Always
thanks for the video, what about the CCS pads isn't same as waffle pads ? i use the LC HDO CCS pads never felt grabby compared to flat ones.
They have a similar principal in that they reduce surface tension. Night and day difference between the CCS and flat HDO for me.
@@danlc95 yeah i have only one flat HDO pad just used it once never used again, only HDO CCS
@@TITAN9389 - At the shop where I work part time, we went with the LC HDO. LC sent us a sample blue CCS HDO, and it's SO much nicer than the flat. The other tech was noting that the flat blue was hopping and chattering on the panel.
I'm going to switch to the Hex Logic Quantam until I can have my own line of pads made.
Yvan here, CCS pads were originally designed to compete with waffle pads when they were still protected by a patent.
So- where are there on the website? When will there be a black waffle pad available?
As soon as Lake Country has them done for us and ships them, they will be on the website :)
@@diydetailofficial Great - will other colors be available? Thinking black is the best for high gloss polishing???
For the moment we will only have the one pad.
Using the Gold Standard Polish with the Waffle Pad from a scale of 1-10, what would be a fair rating of the cutting and finisihing abilities of this combination?
Cut of 6, finish of 10.
@@diydetailofficial Thank you!!
Yvon , j’ai pas entendu le nom de la compagnie qui fabrique ce pad gauffré?
Lake Country Manufacturing.
Great vid/content! "No foam maker in the garage." Not true, Nick! Just a different kind of foam! #foamtownusa
lol
Hi guys! Has a newbie in cutting/poilishing, what's the difference between the color for each pad? I mean is the color black just for polishing? And what the other colors mean? Thank you
Unfortunately colours are not universal
@@diydetailofficial thanks for answering
Our pleasure
doesnt the compound stay in the cracks unused?
No
Is this pad more or less aggressive than the LC Orange SDO CCS pad?
it's a different composition of foam, our pad actually has more cut and a better finish
What’s the best way to clean these pads
Lake Country System 4000 pad washer. Or th-cam.com/users/shortsfGOQU8JQar8?feature=share
can I use your wool pad the same as the waffle pad? (i.e. paint, bumpers, windows, trim) i know the wool pad is more aggressive, so just wanted to check. TIA! 😃
The only caution is that with waffle, we actually suggest you polish trim with Gold Standard Polish. But with wool it’s definitely something to be cautious about because it is a more aggressive pad. Not a big deal if it touches trim but you don’t want to actively go after trim by polishing with wool
Is this used for polishing or only for cutting?
Both
How do you clean the waffle pad after its used?
You can either use a System 4000 pad washer, or simply dunk in a bucket of Rinseless Wash, then spin dry.
th-cam.com/users/shortsfGOQU8JQar8?si=RUeC53kjnOqckCor
Would waffle pads be good on a long throw DA for cutting and finishing on soft clear? Or is it better to stick to flat foams/microfiber?
Definitely waffle pads work better, and finish better.
@diydetailofficial that's good to know because Rupes recommends it for rotary use only, do you know why that would be?
Marketing
💪 💪 🙌
I work at a Kia dealership. I have some microfiber and flat orange pads. I'm not getting the amount of correction that I'm happy with. For a one-step correction followed by LSP, would a waffle foam or LC foamed wool pad be a better choice?
What tools are you using, what polish etc?
@@diydetailofficial Griots G9 and G8, Megs microfibre pads, Buff & Shine flat pads in orange, white and black, 3D One, 3D Speed, 3D Poxy. Thinking of upgrading to a G21 but I'm also thinking I should get used to new pads on a less powerful machine.
Thanks for the reply!
@@RyanPetrynka adding a 21 mm machine would definitely help with corrections.
@@diydetailofficial Thanks! Time is money in a dealership so I usually only have 8 working hours to recondition a trade in - inside and out. I want the most correction in the least time.
Wouldn’t waffles warp on long-throw polishers? What about for heavy cutting?
Waffle pads work very well on 15 and 21mm DA’s. For heavy cutting we have a DA specific cutting pad in the works.
@@diydetailofficial cool! Will it be foam or fiber?
Wool
Can you polish a black paint with waffle pad with no problem
Definitely.
I would like to get a Rupes 15, but it's kind of pricey. Getting a Griots G15. More affordable for a beginner like me
That’s a very good machine.
@@diydetailofficial morning guys your Chat section on your website isn't working. I tried to ask a question but it throws me to another tab.
Name, last and Email.... and that's it.... please fix. A concerned friend and fan
Thank you, our IT team is working on it.
@@moisesperez3693 Hey Moises, Nick here. Those chats typically go to me on my cell phone, but if I'm not directly online it might prompt you to simply write a message and I get back ASAP? Could you try it again, I'd like to see what's going on
@@diydetailofficial hey Nick I'll do it right now. Thanks for the response
What is the best to wash the bad.
What is the best way to polish on a corrugated Surfs like a bus.
Wash with a Lake Country System 4000 pad washer. Depends on the depth and spacing of the corrugations.
@@diydetailofficial Thanks I think I will be hand washing for now. The corrugations are 3 inches a part by 3/8 high
Plenty of 'waffle' in this video!
What do you mean lol
Eye Van or Iván
Ivan
@@diydetailofficial don't think you know what I mean.
Another reason for the waffle losing in popularity is the phenomenon of detailing gurus advocating use of very heavy pressure. They guys that mash the pad and run all their tools at max speed. Firstly they mash the pad so flat, they render the waffle fingers useless. Second reason, according to them is surface area. They think that it helps them cut faster with a flat pad. Not sure how they would know, seeing that they mash the waffles down when polishing anyways...
Unfortunately those using that type of technique will soon find out just how thin paint is getting on new cars.
I don't know any detail "guru's" advocating using heavy pressure and I certainly never use heavy pressure, and absolutely never run my Rotary at full speed... If you have to do that extreme process, you are doing a lot of things wrong... But, to each his own... :)
You guys never have pads 5,5
This week we will
All I hear is theory... Nothing to show off facts...
We have plenty more videos on waffle pads but it also comes down to user experience. Once you use a waffle pad you understand how cool they keep the paint and how well they perform
All the really great Painters I learned from and worked with, use flat pats...A lot of this is just Marketing 101 for waffle pads...Saying flat pads do not contour to panels .= BS to the max.. Guess you don't know how to move the machine in your hands to help with any contours??? Wow... The millions of vehicles, airplanes, boats, etc., manufactured every day, are all finished with what??? Flat pads.... Guess all the manufacturers of these millions of vehicles, airplanes, boats, etc.., are doing it wrong for decades upon decades??? Hilarious!!!!! If you really need a waffle, etc.,. anything like it, to finish perfectly, you should see what a flat pad can do... Perhaps a lot of people today have not heard of the word - innovation - very much and have no idea how to do it?...
That’s what is so much fun about detailing, there’s no wrong or right way to do it.
Fran Danco, from what you posted, I’m guessing you’ve never tried a waffle pad. 3M who dominates the Body Shop industry teaches their system with waffle pads. In the EU flat pads are used more, but personally I think they’re just cheap pads. Try a waffle pad in the same foam that you normally use a flat pad with, you might actually learn something from these 2.
I can’t pinpoint exactly what it is, but there’s definitely something very irritating about this guy Yvan. He just comes off as a pretentious brat.
Sorry you feel that way. Yvan is simply sharing decades of knowledge
@@diydetailofficial hey hey hey it’s not like I don’t still love the guy & I am very appreciative for all the useful information he gives out to us, & that I personally have used to my advantage.
It’s a LOVE/HATE relationship.
One thing is for sure, Yvan belongs in the detailing world. It would collapse without him.
Nice try!
@gsk5161 play with it
Any orange coming 🤩🤩🤩🤩
No, but once you try this you might find gold is better than oranges.
Can’t wait for these to arrive. Would we be able to use them to polish black chrome molding?
Yes, but as with any moulding, care must be exercised.