Does a Harley-Davidson Stage 1 NEED to be Tuned? (We SHOW You!)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ส.ค. 2022
- Does a Harley-Davidson Stage 1 NEED to be tuned? We get asked this pretty often! In this video, we go over multiple tuning options from running a stock tune with an air cleaner and exhaust to dyno tuned, showing you all the results after each step, to answer this question!
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Went from a fan (Still a fan), to working remote from Chicago, to moving to Florida, to now filming a Blockhead episode?! What is this life? haha, appreciate you letting me takeover an episode!
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Worst episode on the channel….just fucking with you. Congrats man I’ve been subscribed to you for a while so I’m happy life’s good.
That was fire. I have a stage I on my FXLRS with a Screamin Eagle Tune and only notice a difference from 3rd gear and up. Definitely looking at a stage 2.
You did good man! Seriously seemed natural.
But I gotta ask why does Chris dyno in 6th gear?
Chris is indeed the “Master” and his explanations are really understandable and help clear up the confusion around the Stages.
This is the kind of content I want on TH-cam… bought my M8 114 used with a Screaming Eagle exhaust, stock air cleaner, as far as I know, no tune. With finite resources, always wondering what mod to do next… videos like this teach me that I will get something out of a Power Vision even without upgrading the air filter first…
Chris makes it easy to understand, this stuff gives me a headache when I try to figure it out on my own. Thank you guys for the great content, tips and visuals!
The mark of a true master - when they can explain something complicated (throttle response and dynotuning) in a way even laypeople (eg: me) can understand. I've been saving up to Stage 1 my FXBBS Soon(tm), and was debating on the dyno tune. This was really helpful to me understanding the differences between the canned maps and a full tune. Thanks Blockfam!
I used the improved Stock tune on my M8 Fat Boy 114 with SE airfilter and Elimnator 300 pipes with 118W TTI's installed, and ran that for months before I did stage 2.
Bike ran great, didnt overheat, and it got more power, especially after I installed the 118W thundertorque inserts.
Had my Stage 1 96CI TC Dyno tuned and exactly what Chris said was the result..The Freezer (Dyno Room) looks awesome..👍🏻🇦🇺
Genuinely a good answer to a question that is not often asked yet important to understand 👍
This has been my experience with my Versys 650 with Power Commander 5, a tune from Dyno Jet, and what amounts to a stage 1 with air and exhaust mods. I did not dyno the bike but the butt dyno was the same feeling as what was described in this video. It essentially took the max HP/Torque my bike could produce and brought it on at a lower RPM so that my bike pulled hard all the way through the RPM range. That's how it felt when riding anyway. My fuel mileage dropped by about 10% (dropped even more if I was rowdy with it). It wasn't a huge deal but my fuel range was about 50 miles less per tank so definitely noticeable. The change in the throttle response was the most noticeable change about the tune. It became very twitchy with the power delivery. It no longer rolled on smooth like Chris spoke of with the stock tune. It became very easy to bring the front tire off the ground. It was very fun to ride this way but ultimately, I think it detracted from the everyday rideability of the bike so I took it off (Power Commander 5). It was stored it in my parts box since there was no real gain in power and it contributed to a noticeable loss in fuel economy. Stock tunes nowdays seem to be really good even for a basic slip on exhaust. The twitchy throttle response made it harder to finess the controls during slow speed manuevers and the bike became more buzzy with vibrations at higher RPMs during highway speeds. If all I wanted to do was be a hooligan with the bike, then I would've left it on there because that is absolutely what it turns the bike into. It really just changes the attitude of the bike if you think about it and that's about it.
Dope video, was in same boat where I had no clue of any tuning/maps on this bike with new exhaust and intake. Glad to know I’m not missing out on too much ;)
First time I've noticed the lighting in the Dyno room. Looks sick! Good to know they don't have to be boring
Thank you for this video, you guys rock, basically what im taking away is I can put slip ons on and maybe a high flow air cleaner and not bother with a tune till cam time. I was always under the impression that with slip ones and a new air cleaner that the tune was mandatory.
One of the best videos on tuning!
Thanks for sharing.
Very professional and state of the art talent and garage you have there. Looking this video, definitely make me want to have my bike tunned with you guys! 😎👍
Recently put a 480 cam in my 2017 RGS. Never realized how much more power you can get out of a cam and full system exhaust versus just a standard Stage 1 until I saw my dyno sheet. Definitely worth the extra money.
Great content thus episode, Chris wealth of knowledge and his easy to follow explanations appreciated much
Great vid guys, thanks. Best part is I just did a fuelmoto jackpot 2-1-2 headpipe, 4" cobra NH and FM map for PV on my 21 Roadking Special. While talking to my local shop mechanic Friday, who has never seen this or messed with just a stage 1, we ran it on the dyno. 5th gear pull SAE 92hp and 128fp, 6th gear 94/125 with the power hitting @ or before 2k rpm all the way to about 3800. Not bad for about $1k in parts and adult beverages in a "stock" 114 with out of box 86-88hp and 119fp claimed power. The bike is a beast and so much fun to ride and she be awake now. A woods or a S&S cam might happen sooner than expected.
So glad to find this treasure trove of a channel. Wow, phenomenal info put in easy to understand package with Chris. Dude, love this and it gets me pumped to do shiz with my Sporty. 🤘🏻
Great info! Makes sense, no cam-up no real HP gain but it's always nice to get that "feel" with better throttle response! cheers🍻
Wow, very interesting. Big thanks Justin and Chris!!
@Iron J Moto this was AWESOME! Loved this episode @BLOCKHEAD and Chris did an excellent job at explaining everything that needed explanation! Would love to see Justin step in and take over again in the future. Great work guys! 🤘🏼
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You knuckleheads are my go-to for knowledge about my FLHRXS and how to improve it. Keep those videos coming!
BEFORE watching the entire video, comment your guesses on HOW MUCH horsepower & torque difference there is!
I could listen to Chris talk and explain things all day, I’d learn so much
Great video and very informative. Enjoy these takeovers.
Only Justin knows how long I have waited for this!
Awesome video!! Great job guys!!
Killer video loved everything about it keep up the good work blockhead crew.
I like that there was a kind of basic start and explanation of things. I feel like some dyno tuning related videos jump all the way to the “big boy” end of tuning.
All my buddies in Ireland watch you guys. Great videos. We bought some shirts lately 🤘🏻🎸
Excellent information, thank you! Answers the main question for many people!
Very well explained in simple language
Thank you makes my next decisions so much easier
Cheers
Chris is a blessed man to be able to work in this environment. Nice room. Dope lighting (maybe an idea from a IG comment?). Blessed Iceman!
This was so informative! Chris is awesome!
Makes sense the throttle response is what you feel in your gut.. So I think it would be worth it 👍👍
Great video Justin.
Great video - very informative. I can also tell at what stage of the dyno-room build you were at.
Love the lighting dyno room
super useful info, thank you!
Awesome and informative.. I do wish you guys would have put the Dynojet auto tune on it and included that in the comparison… perhaps even a target tune as well.
Good Stuff. I need to book time for a stage 2 cam install and tune for my 21 Road Glide.
Dyno room looks on point 👌
Nice job standing in for Mr Blockhead boys!
The "Chris and Justin Show"...huh?!
Great job you guys and thank you Chris for your very informative explainations.
peace
nice bike and I like the straight info on a bike with stage 1
Great video and info, keep up the good work. Who made the headlight and how's the light better than the original????
Very well explained, & man I dig that seat
Great video!
Great video.. love the pipes
That settles it. Powervision is the next mod and dyno tuning. My bike cuts off at 105 now, mind you I have gone 120 on it before, but they flashed a new map when I did my stage 4 and that cut me down. I need that gone ASAP. Always so much great info on this channel.
This new DynoTuning room is amazing and looks super slick with the red wall.
Thanks Jono!
Well done!!
Honestly my takeaway from this is plan to do a stage 2 with a tune, but if you want to run pipes and an air cleaner while you save for the rest of the stage 2 just go for it.
exhaust and air do a lot if he was on stock exhaust and air it would have been probably 5 hp 10 tq less. now if he had a 2:1 exhaust he would have got much better gains, especially in the low end
Man, I just asked you guys this question yesterday on another video! Gonna have to think about getting my 17 Ultra to the dyno. I basically have what Justin has on his bike. I would like to cool it down some more though, removed the cat, and that helped A LOT! May have to schedule with a dyno guy near me. Problem is, I don't know any around here!
Informative 👏👏👏
I gotta stop by and check these guys out next time I’m on the other coast
Chris keeps me coming back here
So I don't believe the question was answered. Does a stage 1 NEED a tune? In other words are the AFR's too lean to not tune it? We obviously know a tune will make the bike run and ride much better and crisper all around. That doesn't mean you absolutely have to tune it. My question is does a stage 1 without a tune create a lean condition that can cause engine damage or failure?
This was good info for me. I have a stage 1 on my 103 with a downloaded map. Was wondering how much difference an actual time would make. Guess I’ll throw that 500 Towards a set of bars
I liked the episode with iron-J as the host! Chris is always great aswell
What an informative video. Freaking great. Thank you.
Good number, 468 cam. Would get around 119tq. So not bad on stage one.
Great video perfect timing for me. I just bought a 48 that has a cool stage 1 kit and my check engine light came on. I took it to HD and they said it had not been mapped for the new hardware. Not convinced I’ll get it done now as its £400
Good information to know
Stage 1 on my 2015 Fat Bob since new, with a standard HD map. At 90,000 km on the odo, I decided to get it dyno tuned. Very nice. Runs more smoothly at 2000 - 2500, there is a noticeable increase in torque, and it runs a bit higher. Very happy with the results. No, they didn't give me a "before" to compare. My mileage is a little worse, because it's a lot more fun now 🙂
That's a twin cam. Different than the M8. Twin cam needs to be tuned to run properly.
Justin, love the look of your bike. Did you put an external breather system paired with your Arlen Ness AC?
Man that S&S GNX sounds good... ALMOST regret going with the V&H Hi-Output. Almost... lol
This is a topic I've been interested for awhile. There's a Power Commander add-on called an Autotune which is basically an o2 sensor that I'd need to weld into the exhaust, which negates having to go online to download a fuel/air map then load it into the PCV. I'm wondering how it compares to a genuine dyno tune?
I had my first Sportster dyno'd at stage 1....didnt even ask for it, was just chilling in the lounge shooting some pool and the service manager came and got me and we went back to the dyno room and tuned it after air and pipes.
At MMI Phoenix (Motorcycle Mechanic Institute) our instructors told us *STAGE 1 ABSOLUTELY DOES NOTTTTTTTTT NEED A TUNE* as these new M8 ecm's will relearn and adjust as needed, or get a Tuner if you plan on going further than the Stage 1.
No, I do not think what they say is law, but after their explanation it was very convincing that it isn't "necessarily" required.
Chris enjoys running that dyno, and I CANNOT blame him! Something really fun about dyno pulls
Progressivity is a mode change that something like the rbw skull does but it was an option on the old screaming eagle tuner
In my experience the difference in a stage 1 without a map and with a map is much more noticeable on a twin cam than it is a four valve M8 which is already breathing much better just by design.
Very informative video for a newbie like my self.
Got a 2021 Low Rider S and just put in a 2 into 1 exhaust (SPC) and I’ve read a lot of opinions whether it needs to be tuned or not.
I thought I’d asked the EXPERTS.
What do you think?
THANKS!
It was really insightful, good one boys!
Bike sounds nice!
Um weird comment... but, I duno what my younger brother maybe.. possibly said; but he watches on the main Tv / my iPad.. & can’t find comment If any.. (if so- plz ignore it if there is 1).
You guys are badass. Been with BlockFam for years now..
Y’all keep killin it, & we’ll keep supporting. You & Chris are BAMF’s! 💯🙌🏻
Great info...... But that shirt is Awesome!!! 👍
Thank you for sharing this content really appreciate the work and effort involved. I have collected my bike 2023 softail standard. I have installed Vance & hines 3 inch slash cuts with PCX, but still have stock intake. I had a map sent from Dynojet for this setup. can I ask what the lowest idle should be on M8 107? I ask as my bike just cut out on me at a stop and was wondering if idle is a little low? thanks again 👍
Just recently did a Stage 1 on my 1200 Custom. Was ignorant of the difference until I did a V&H FP4 canned Map, but the difference was night and day. It sounded rough, almost congested before the tune. Lots of decel pops, etc. It's damn near perfect now.
Good heads up. I was wondering about mine, the dealer i bought it from had no concrete info if it had been remapped. I get the slightest popping on decel so i think its good
@@samwell707 you could always pop the seat and look in the battery compartment and see if there's a tuner module in there. A lot of people just leave them plugged in. They're usually married to the VIN, so it would be pointless to keep if they sell the bike.
What about the FP4?I had mine Yesterday and still not installed the air cleaner and the tuner...i can only go with the FP4 cause of the 4 PIN can bus....FP3 4 PIN Is almost a chimera!! I Ve ready a lot of trash talk bout FP4
@@pierluigimarchi8108 I've had no issues whatsoever with mine. I installed the pipes and air cleaner first. Without those it's kind of pointless. But my personal opinion is most of the issues are either not following the directions or phone glitches. But don't know for sure.
The alternative is to run some auto-tune sessions while you ride like you do IRL, no harder, no softer.
I just did on my Heritage 114 and since I do not feel the bike to be more powerful nor torquy, she runs a little bit cooler, sounds a little more growly and a tad louder but the throttle is way smoother and she is absolutely less shaky !
And fuel put aside, it's free :-) lol
I really wanted to see the AFR for the stock tune... Curious how lean it really is, if at all
Me too
Man! Such a Wizard he is. Been a new motorcycle enthusiast for the past three years. Late bloomer in life. None the less once I start my build next year. I already know who I want to take my bike in the direction I want to take it.
Chris you never look stupid my guy, always captivated by your passion and knowledge of motorcycles. The way you pass down your knowledge to newbies like me is beyond appreciated.
See you in my future lol. 🤙🏿
Wouldnt mind seeing some carbed bikes on the dyno.
I never do Stage 2. I always install a heavy breather and SLIP-ONS and use the Dynojet Power Vision Tuner to give it a little extra throttle response, and I'm happy. Afterwards, I run the auto tune and getting everything running tight and smoothly. My bikes have never had major problems and run very well!
Love the shirt, Chris.
I’m actually going to dyno tune my stage 1 in a week. Think it makes sense to do it.
I'm needing this info bad did a k and n filter change. .... Hear I need a tune
I feel gaining 4 lbs of tq, 5 hp and 100% throttle response would be well worth the dyno on a stage 1.
You should try dk customs thunder torque inserts with your stage 1 and make another video I like them on my bike!
That's a badass bike!
Sick bike. Is it a softail slim ?
Great job @justin!!
Yea, thanks Freddie!?!!
@@sickwideglide oh hush :D you always do good :) the amount of knowledge you spit out its just Fire!!!!
Appreciate you broooooo
When I put my pipes and air cleaner on my check engine light came on. When I put the canned FP3 tune in the check engine light went away. I get the dyno shows the same torque and HP curve but that’s only a tiny slice of the pie. The correct answer is yes you need a tune for proper fueling ANY time you change the air flow.
2021 fxbbs m8 114
I have a question !? I just put a Hpi exhaust and air cleaner on my 2022 lowrider st! Now is it necessary to tune it or can I ride it fine without the tune period thank you . Dope Channel ! Wish you guys were in California !
That bike sounds dope
Would you guys ever consider adding European countries to the bike give away? Really liking your content and it gave me the final push to finally start getting my motorcycle licence! Keep on going!
I think the biggest misconception when a dyno tune is performed is looking at the number's. Biggest number's don't always mean best tune and lower number's can feel faster and smoother by seat of pants. That's been my experience anyway.
I did notice the difference when I did in a stage one
I suspect if you put the correct lollipop or torque insert at the end of your muffler baffle, you will raise that low-middle range torque curve (to where its most useful) out of its low. I would have liked to seen the same bike pulls without the air and exhaust mods.