back then they could be competitive but these modern 4t are next level and a 250t wouldnt be able to compete with a 450. stankdog on his 125 is so good to watch in the supercross but hes even the first to admit he has not even half the 250 power
450cc 4-stroke nowadays would leave a 250 2 stroke sitting still horsepower numbers for the 250s are pretty much the same now I think 250 against 250 is fair
@@kylelangworthy9641 the 450cc 4 stroke has 52.4hp and the 250cc 2 stroke has 48.8hp. The 250ccf has 39.3hp. If you Google dyno test on it you can see it all. Good day and stay wild👍
I rode 2 strokes growing up. Bought my first brand new YZ250F way back in 2005 and have never looked back. 4 stroke easier to go fast on for the mere mortals like me.
thats only because your lazier and fatter! LOL just kidding. I am 52 and cant get off 2strokes. my bike of choice 2019 yz250x 2stroke with a 293cc head , lectromn carb, pipe(saving up for a smart carb and electric start) but i own a 06 crf250x and 09 kx450f 4strokes. 2wheels rule no matter the stroke!!!!!!
Brilliant video idea. I can't get enough comparison videos. The 2 strokes and 4 strokes are similar in a lot of ways but also VERY different in others. I bought a 4 stroke but I've never ridden a 2 stroke. 💪
@@championshiprings6376 generally speaking, you can lug a 4 stroke around most tracks with minimal gear changes and clutch work because they've got so much torque. A 2 stroke, you need to be changing gear constantly, lots of clutch work through and out of corners to make sure you're on the pipe as much as possible because that's where the engine makes all its power. But if ridden properly, nothing beats ripping a 2 stroke. 4 strokes are good, and easier to ride quicker because it requires less effort to do so but for me 2 strokes are way more enjoyable once you learn to ride them properly
Great video and riding Max! "Arm pump and out of breath" that pretty much sums up my 2 stroke experience! Rewarding when you start making progress though. 4t is an easier ride for sure and easier to improve on, I would have one if I had the money. 2t is great for lower running costs, though!
Thanks for watching dude! :D Other than the power advantages the cost savings of the 2 stroke are it's biggest perk. I think if you're serious about racing then you want to 4 stroke, but if you are in it just for fun like me then the 2 smoker is the way to go!
Why is it that I always see 4”t” and 2 “t”? I’ve never thought about this until now but why isn’t it 2”s” or 4”s”? Why is it abbreviated with a t instead of an s?
@@boburwell9921 not really, a 450 is faster around a track still. You can only use so much hp and a 450 puts it down alot better than a 500. On open deep tracks the 500 would win but on tight tracks and especially supercross the 450 would own it. Not to mention the best fun factor two stroke is a 125.
Back in the day the 4's were SO SLOW I actually got more tired from tryna make em go faster lol partly why today at 61 yrs old I STILL prefer a 2 stroke
Yeah I know I grew up on 2 bangers in the glory days 1988-1997, I’ve had countless 2 strokes & I still own one ☝️, you need one in your life. But I suggest you ride a current 450 & tell us what you think. If you wan’t a spoiler alert 🚨, they absolutely hammer sir, brutal they are. & that’s coming from a 2 stoke owner & enthusiast from way back. Some of my close friends & I are restoring some classics at the moment, kx 100 1992, kx 125 1991, & a Cr 250 1996. They’re gonna be epic, but the new 450’s are no joke dude, absolute beast’s they are power all over the place. Try riding one, you still might not like it everyone’s got different preferences like myself. One thing’s for sure though, these bikes are no 1980’s four stroke.
Great comparison. 20 years ago this would be unheard of. Nowadays, 450 4 strokes actually make more power than 500 2 strokes. Technology improvements are amazing.
Not really they are equal just 450 handling are much better thank to all technology, 500 2 stroke required a lot of skills and it tired you out a lot faster than 450f.
@@StrykerV8 the video you listed as "evidence" is literally called "proof stock cr 500 is more powerful then stock 450"........you just cant make this shit up. I think they make roughly the same power, theres so many factors to consider, but 500s can generally make a few more hp. However, 450s make almost as much power over a much longer rpm range meaning any idiot can be moderately quick on one.
I've seen CRF 450 2021 only make 52 horsepower depends on the Dyno I've seen stock KX500 make 57hp . kapain America on youtube does Dyno and compares a lot of bikes , I think 450 is a better bike though make similar power to each other and easier to ride
Thanks for watching Franco :D I think if you're serious about racing then 4 Stroke is probably the way to go, but like you i'm all about fun and good times so it's 2t all day for me! ;D
Which one is cheaper to own when all costs are factored in? Do you think the 2022 TC250 would work well for both (for fun/exercise) motocross and some forest trail running for someone who is not a beginner but never really advanced past the beginner or lower intermediate skill level? What is the highest bodyweight you would recommend for this bike?
Max, the first thing I though when I saw the topic was, -hope he does’nt only ride on that tight lite hardpack track that you use alot in your videos. 😅 For someone who does quite alot of riding on both type of machines, the 250F (with it’s enginebraking and smoother power) should win on that track most of the time, unless you’re a very skilled rider. I would have loved to see you included laptimes at a ”normal” sized hardpack-track AND a sandtrack. Keep up the great content, enjoy your videos alot! 👍
Great video Max what are your thoughts on something like an enduro 2 stroke 300 with the smoother power against the four stroke, the extra CCs fill in the bottom of the power so you don’t have to ride on the pipe as much so not as much of an animal
I went for the 250 2 stroke :D they have bad reps cause they used to be much snappier... Could catch a novice rider off guard just like a 450 BUT they came out of the factory with 52 tooth rear sprockets.... Now they are 49 and behave much nicer, plus gear pulls long ways. I love my TC250 also '22. Im keeping this bike for a longtime...
The top end power number is only halfthe story. The 4t have to rev to the moon to get that top en power. The mid range power is massively better on the 2t which i like. For a fairly slow rider like me the 4t mx 250 ive ridden are pretty shite in the bottom end, not smooth at all when you are used to 2t. Great vid anyway, easy choice for me :)
@@vaughanhodgson not like a two stroke? Ride a 250 and a 250 f back to back. The four stroke is gutless low to mid compared to the two stroke. And he's right in needs to be revved to the moon to hit its peak powerband which is not good for the motor. Although the average person will be faster around a track on the slower four stroke as it's power is more linear and doesn't wear you out as fast.
@@vaughanhodgson what graph you looking at lol. A 250f and 250 make similar numbers down low but the two stroke still makes more torque but 5000 rpm and up the two stroke leaps ahead making on average about 7 more hp and doing it about 3000 rpm sooner.
If you’re a weekend warrior, fun seems to have a higher importance than pro levels, and 2 strokes are more fun. That’s just a fact. Also, if you’re trying to get better, the 2 stroke’s ability to punish mistakes and reward proper riding will help you get better, assuming you learn from those mistakes. Of course, I’m an old school 2 smoker fan boy, so all of this is highly biased. 2 stroke for life.
still confused how the 4t made the time as he admitted to a human error in gearing which messed his time on the 2 smoker but great video and helps in a big difference through its comparisons 👍
250 two stroke for the heart but 250 fourstroke for the numbers .......... plus the four stroke helps with engine stoping and pwer band smoother vs the two stroke you need to be more agressive with the brakes and power band pulls alot harder to keep up for a race.
@@vaughanhodgson no they don't, go look at lap times from 2005 when Carmichael Stewart etc were on 250s and everyone in the lights class was on 250 four strokes. The 250 two strokes were much faster around the tracks than the four strokes. The only reason 4 strokes even got popular is because of their handicap. It's like me beating Usain bolt when I was given a 75 foot head start. Sure I beat him but only because I was given an advantage. If it was heads up he would beat me, just like cc for cc a two stroke is lighter, more reliable, cheaper to maintain, makes more torque and horsepower than a four stroke. The only thing I like about four strokes and why like racing them is there a lot less tiring and you can be lazy. It's like a supercharged car versus a turbo charge turbochargers always going to make more horsepower but more difficult to drive.
I have a 150 cc engine and it has been bore up to 200 cc the power is really crazy. to around 40 hp at 12000 rpm, 40% more powerful than before, you can't imagine how crazy the power of a large engine with a 2 stroke configuration is.
First off , you weren't raised riding 2 strokes and , more importantly, 2 strokes have not been improved up on much in the last 20 years. Take a modded 2 stroke with someone that knows how to ride it against the best 4 stroke you can build and the 4 stroke will lose. Even DeCoster said that is harder to ride a 2 stroke, but anyone that can will will over the four bangers.
@@StrykerV8 Yes, because the factories haven't really been putting any serious effort into motocross worthy 2 stroke engines in the last 20 years. Had they been, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
Hey bud I watch you with all the stuff that you do and your buddy on the CR500 I used to having 85 CR500 that was a beast I loved it but that new 2 stroke 250 a ride Namba that's Kick-Ass I live in New in Louisiana and that's very kick ass man what you doing but I like the Megalodon that you made I would love to see that Megalodon run
Trouble with 250 strokes they can catch you out some of my worst were from riding 250 2t and your right for average guy who needs to go work on Monday morning 250f is just a safer bet .....now 125 2t are a different matter just love those little devil's🙂
Great video Max, great action shots of both bikes, good comparison, 4stroke may be easier to ride, more torque and tractable engine. would love to see more of these tests with other makes of bikes, how about giving some of the electric MX bikes a test a comparison for us tree huggers.
Hey Kev, good to hear from you mate! I really enjoyed doing this test so i think we'll definitely do more like this in the future. I'd love to test more of the electric bikes, but they are quite hard to get hold of for tests at the moment. I did do a review of the alta redshift a few years ago which is still on the channel - th-cam.com/video/vN9_q0nyMBs/w-d-xo.html
2 strock I would never buy a four just don't do it for me all my m8 say how much easier they are to ride but still everything about 2 stocks I love the fun is unreal
You were bogging the two-stroke too much you got to stay in the Power Band high in the gears. The two-stroke could have gone even faster. So easy to maintain two-stroke you just pop the head off home with steel wool and then put a new piston in with rings. No valves to mess with
Unless you're an expert (and sometimes even experts) you're faster on a less powerful bike. However that doesn't always translate to wins. The powerful bike can get ahead on the straights and get in the way on the corners.
@@999lazer I'm a huge 2 stroke fan. I was present at the last ever 500 two stroke ridden in MotoGP. It qualified on pole. Significantly faster than the more powerful 990cc 4 strokes. It was also dead last into the first corner. I was gutted.
@Motors4Life Altitude and oxygen density dictates the needed jet size. Provided there is no air leaks or no internal carb gas leaking into the mix. Like a flooding float valve or leaky jet housing assembly. So a good old fashioned plug reading is where to start. Lean is mean until it gets too good and burns a hole in the piston. A too rich mix will be a dog. Plug color will be white if too lean. Black if too rich. Light tan is optimal color. I hope I have been helpful.
@@larrynorsworthy8582 yes i was seting my jetting by ktm recomendet specefications and i am floding plugs like crayzy but the jets i think are fine jst te mid range power the bike is rich so i putted the needle down a litle so there is less fuel but now i think the bike is runing to lean but no problems with the spark for now....
Hi max its 2 strokes for us buddy u where buzzing so much more andl loving the 2 stroke just sound of your voice on it tells me that they way more exciting and fun lots need to work more on 2 smoker to on fourstroke this are bit more easier i feel buddy great vlog omg ill love that stroker noise sound its irraplacible mate hahaha
Hey Chris! For sure the Smoker was way more exciting, in the 'holy crap this thing is so fast' kinda way lol It definitely leaves you buzzing a whole lot more! Thanks for watching mate
125 2T is more comparable to 250 4T & 250 2T is more comparable to 450 4T yes I know before the comments roll in a 2022 4T has more than 250 2T but they are more comparable than comparing a 250 2T to a 250 4T
Max, your a trip dude! But I say that in a good way with admiration and respect as your a more than decent rider for a amateur, and your review was really enjoyable to watch! However you made me laugh especially when you said "I was quietly rooting for the two stroke...", Hahaha, dude, your unmitigated affection and bias for the two stroke was so over the top it was more than blatantly obvious!! From the minute you got on the two stroke your affection and enthusiasm for the two stroke poured out! But that's okay because it is what it is and at least you tried to acknowledge that even if you were a little less than honest with yourself about it. But everyone has preferences on something or other and I'm no different. I use to be a semi-pro mx'er back in the early 70's in Arizona riding small class but had my racing career ended by parents that divorced. So I became a wana-be racer for years untill one day I won (believe it or not) the AMA/PACE Supercross sweepstakes in 1999! All the way from tickets to the Phoenix Supercross race to picking the winning key at Sam Boyd stadium in Las Vegas to win the whole enchilada! This included a new Toyota Tundra, a YZ 250, and a gift cirt from Part Unlimited. But when I got home I talked the local Yamaha dealership into swapping the YZ250 for a YZ 400 F!! (Cost me about $350 to accomplish) I took that 400F and started racing again (at 40 yrs old and recently widowed so about 40lbs under weight I basically embarrassed myself!). But what I discovered was that the 4 stroke has 2 things going for it that hard to beat: 1. Power band that goes on and on! I found I could ride almost any course in two gears! 2nd gear starts that gave me hole shots and 3rd gear that got me to eye watering speeds and still enough torque and power band left over to pull a wheelie at anytime! 2. Gobs of power! Of course this ties in with #1 as one without the other would have been useless. Compression braking also if you knew how to use it otherwise I found you stalled the bike easily and it is a B.I.T.C.H. to restart esp in a race! So you learned not to brake without clutching the engine or else! But this was a 400 in the 250 class which I felt was unfair to the two stroke. So how the AMA made it ok to ride 450's is beyond me as you showed - now days they are very close cc for cc! But I believe that soon you will be a convert as 4 strokes continue to improve and you get over your need to hear the two stroke scream and the quick shifting needed to stay in the power band! The future is 4 stroke my friend (so long as the AMA doesn't give in to the electric bike,! Yikes!!)😱 Steve G.
To really see a difference, you need to do multiple laps on each bike and then compare the average over those multiple laps and standard deviations. Standard deviations will tell you how consistent you are on each bike. A statistical t-test can analyze the data and can determine with 95% confidence that one bike is faster than the other, or if it's statistically insignificant. That would be more scientific than anecdotally comparing fastest lap times. Love the video though!
Dude- it's very clear which bike you were enjoying more! - I reckon if you were fresh on your Dad's '95 CR250, you would be faster. Great vid all the same👍👍👍
Hey mate! The smoker definitely got the bigger reaction out of me, if it's the thrill of the ride you are looking for then that bike is the one to have. And you're right, i think if i was fresh at the start of the day and i really gritted my teeth and held on tight i would certainly be faster on the 2 stroke for a lap....just maybe not a full race! lol thanks for watching mate
It's just the 4 stroke gets more traction cause it has less power and the firing order I think a wider rear tyre on the two stroke and it would be faster
@@SPCRacing1 it’s a bit more of a myth these days with how two strokes have tons more low end. But I think it’s fair to say that the four strokes being heavier and having more torque gives you better traction.
The track was very slick when i first started riding, so i'm glad i chose to ride the four stroke first. the power delivery - particularly in map 1 - is so smooth and usable. Thanks for watching Robert
@@SPCRacing1 it's most definitely not a myth less power strokes give more traction it's why the Ducatis were so dominant in wsb over the Japanese fours they could get the power down better
Sorry it's been a while dude! But I have been busy filming lots of cool things, so we've got a run of awesome films coming your way on the lead up to Christmas :D
It takes a mad man to really race a 2 stroke, always have to be in the throttle. Think of the 4 stroke as 911 gt with the traction control on and the 2 stroke being a Supra 2jz with a bigger turbo.. when the boost hits at 5000rpm you better know how to drive that sob 😂
Also The supra was really like the two stroke of cars. It was the one car in the 90s that had to compete with cars that had waaaay bigger engines. All the fastest supras in the 90s only had 2 liter 4 bangers. Shoot the supra on the cover of Gran Turismo was the most famous of all the 4 cylinder supras and it was beating Ferraris and stuff. You have to remember the 2jz sucked for racing and is why Toyota never ran 2jz engines. The supra for example used the faster 4 cylinder 3s based engine and when they were forced to ditch that they went with the 1uz v8.
Wtf are you serious? The two stroke is ten times cheaper to maintain than the four stroke, not to mention it has a handful of moving parts vs hundreds I. The four stroke. Four strokes also rev like twice as high which is not good for the engine.
Once you love a 2 stroke it’s always there no matter what,even if it’s not the best there is just something about them ✊🏻💨👍🏻
Agreed, u think I give a dam if you're faster on your 4 stroke?? Naaaaa!
AMA Supercross allowed 450cc 4 strokes race in the 250cc 2 stroke class and 250cc 4 strokes race in the 125cc 2 stroke class. enough said!
The evolution of 4 stroke tech has been insane when you think about it like that! Thanks for watching dude
back then they could be competitive but these modern 4t are next level and a 250t wouldnt be able to compete with a 450. stankdog on his 125 is so good to watch in the supercross but hes even the first to admit he has not even half the 250 power
450cc 4-stroke nowadays would leave a 250 2 stroke sitting still horsepower numbers for the 250s are pretty much the same now I think 250 against 250 is fair
@@kylelangworthy9641 yeah they need to change it to open cc. Yeah the two stroke makes more power but is harder to ride.
@@kylelangworthy9641 the 450cc 4 stroke has 52.4hp and the 250cc 2 stroke has 48.8hp. The 250ccf has 39.3hp. If you Google dyno test on it you can see it all. Good day and stay wild👍
I rode 2 strokes growing up. Bought my first brand new YZ250F way back in 2005 and have never looked back. 4 stroke easier to go fast on for the mere mortals like me.
thats only because your lazier and fatter! LOL just kidding. I am 52 and cant get off 2strokes. my bike of choice 2019 yz250x 2stroke with a 293cc head , lectromn carb, pipe(saving up for a smart carb and electric start) but i own a 06 crf250x and 09 kx450f 4strokes. 2wheels rule no matter the stroke!!!!!!
I`d be happier with the 2 stroke as they make you feel more alive. Great content as usual from 999lazer , honest and open, very much appreciated.
Brilliant video idea. I can't get enough comparison videos. The 2 strokes and 4 strokes are similar in a lot of ways but also VERY different in others. I bought a 4 stroke but I've never ridden a 2 stroke. 💪
2 stroke will make you work for that speed, but will reward you for it!
@@23DMOTORSPORTS what do you mean ?
@@championshiprings6376 generally speaking, you can lug a 4 stroke around most tracks with minimal gear changes and clutch work because they've got so much torque. A 2 stroke, you need to be changing gear constantly, lots of clutch work through and out of corners to make sure you're on the pipe as much as possible because that's where the engine makes all its power. But if ridden properly, nothing beats ripping a 2 stroke.
4 strokes are good, and easier to ride quicker because it requires less effort to do so but for me 2 strokes are way more enjoyable once you learn to ride them properly
Great video and riding Max! "Arm pump and out of breath" that pretty much sums up my 2 stroke experience! Rewarding when you start making progress though. 4t is an easier ride for sure and easier to improve on, I would have one if I had the money. 2t is great for lower running costs, though!
Thanks for watching dude! :D Other than the power advantages the cost savings of the 2 stroke are it's biggest perk. I think if you're serious about racing then you want to 4 stroke, but if you are in it just for fun like me then the 2 smoker is the way to go!
Why is it that I always see 4”t” and 2 “t”? I’ve never thought about this until now but why isn’t it 2”s” or 4”s”? Why is it abbreviated with a t instead of an s?
I wouldn’t swap my 250 2 banger for anything else.
A 125 2 stroke? Or a 500cc 2 stroke😉
I get that competently. The thrill that the TC250 gave me was next level. Thanks for watching Ryan
Try a 500. It’ll open your eyes.
@@boburwell9921 not really, a 450 is faster around a track still. You can only use so much hp and a 450 puts it down alot better than a 500. On open deep tracks the 500 would win but on tight tracks and especially supercross the 450 would own it. Not to mention the best fun factor two stroke is a 125.
Exactly 👍.
Back in the day the 4's were SO SLOW I actually got more tired from tryna make em go faster lol partly why today at 61 yrs old I STILL prefer a 2 stroke
Yeah I know I grew up on 2 bangers in the glory days 1988-1997, I’ve had countless 2 strokes & I still own one ☝️, you need one in your life. But I suggest you ride a current 450 & tell us what you think. If you wan’t a spoiler alert 🚨, they absolutely hammer sir, brutal they are. & that’s coming from a 2 stoke owner & enthusiast from way back. Some of my close friends & I are restoring some classics at the moment, kx 100 1992, kx 125 1991, & a Cr 250 1996. They’re gonna be epic, but the new 450’s are no joke dude, absolute beast’s they are power all over the place. Try riding one, you still might not like it everyone’s got different preferences like myself. One thing’s for sure though, these bikes are no 1980’s four stroke.
Great comparison. 20 years ago this would be unheard of. Nowadays, 450 4 strokes actually make more power than 500 2 strokes. Technology improvements are amazing.
Not really they are equal just 450 handling are much better thank to all technology, 500 2 stroke required a lot of skills and it tired you out a lot faster than 450f.
@@travis10ist not really, dyno results speak for themselves.
CRF450R: 57rwhp
th-cam.com/video/dKBrM0zgqFo/w-d-xo.html
CR500: 52rwhp
th-cam.com/video/63gZTtpnVWI/w-d-xo.html
@@StrykerV8 the video you listed as "evidence" is literally called "proof stock cr 500 is more powerful then stock 450"........you just cant make this shit up.
I think they make roughly the same power, theres so many factors to consider, but 500s can generally make a few more hp. However, 450s make almost as much power over a much longer rpm range meaning any idiot can be moderately quick on one.
@@pauliewalnuts240 that's sick dude!! Is 52 more than 57?
I've seen CRF 450 2021 only make 52 horsepower depends on the Dyno I've seen stock KX500 make 57hp . kapain America on youtube does Dyno and compares a lot of bikes , I think 450 is a better bike though make similar power to each other and easier to ride
I've got 2stroke oil in my veins!!! You know da score max! 👊✊💥💨💨💨
NICE 🦢 BROTHER!!!!
Thanks for watching Andy! I might've been faster on the 4 Stroke, but you know which bike i'd rather have in my garage! ;-D
You instantly looked more comfortable and at home on the 2 stroke.
give me the 2 stroke any day heaps more fun and its fun that its all about i'm not a pro rider just like smiling at the weekends, good test by the way
Thanks for watching Franco :D I think if you're serious about racing then 4 Stroke is probably the way to go, but like you i'm all about fun and good times so it's 2t all day for me! ;D
Which one is cheaper to own when all costs are factored in? Do you think the 2022 TC250 would work well for both (for fun/exercise) motocross and some forest trail running for someone who is not a beginner but never really advanced past the beginner or lower intermediate skill level? What is the highest bodyweight you would recommend for this bike?
Max, the first thing I though when I saw the topic was, -hope he does’nt only ride on that tight lite hardpack track that you use alot in your videos. 😅 For someone who does quite alot of riding on both type of machines, the 250F (with it’s enginebraking and smoother power) should win on that track most of the time, unless you’re a very skilled rider. I would have loved to see you included laptimes at a ”normal” sized hardpack-track AND a sandtrack. Keep up the great content, enjoy your videos alot! 👍
4 stroke for competitive
2 stroke for Fun.
2T for all-around and for me
Great video Max what are your thoughts on something like an enduro 2 stroke 300 with the smoother power against the four stroke, the extra CCs fill in the bottom of the power so you don’t have to ride on the pipe as much so not as much of an animal
Great work as always love your channel
I went for the 250 2 stroke :D they have bad reps cause they used to be much snappier... Could catch a novice rider off guard just like a 450 BUT they came out of the factory with 52 tooth rear sprockets.... Now they are 49 and behave much nicer, plus gear pulls long ways. I love my TC250 also '22. Im keeping this bike for a longtime...
The top end power number is only halfthe story. The 4t have to rev to the moon to get that top en power. The mid range power is massively better on the 2t which i like. For a fairly slow rider like me the 4t mx 250 ive ridden are pretty shite in the bottom end, not smooth at all when you are used to 2t. Great vid anyway, easy choice for me :)
the 4t makes power through out the rev range
@@vaughanhodgson not like a two stroke? Ride a 250 and a 250 f back to back. The four stroke is gutless low to mid compared to the two stroke. And he's right in needs to be revved to the moon to hit its peak powerband which is not good for the motor. Although the average person will be faster around a track on the slower four stroke as it's power is more linear and doesn't wear you out as fast.
What a stupid comment from OP lol. He literally described 2 strokes and then said it’s a 4 stroke problem.
@@4touchdowns1game29 this is so wrong look at a dyno graph of the 2 the 4 makes way more bottom end and doesn't bog like the 2 stroke
@@vaughanhodgson what graph you looking at lol. A 250f and 250 make similar numbers down low but the two stroke still makes more torque but 5000 rpm and up the two stroke leaps ahead making on average about 7 more hp and doing it about 3000 rpm sooner.
Bring back the 2 strokes!!🤘🤘
That's nice man so on mother's Day we can race our moms
If you’re a weekend warrior, fun seems to have a higher importance than pro levels, and 2 strokes are more fun. That’s just a fact. Also, if you’re trying to get better, the 2 stroke’s ability to punish mistakes and reward proper riding will help you get better, assuming you learn from those mistakes. Of course, I’m an old school 2 smoker fan boy, so all of this is highly biased. 2 stroke for life.
That was really interesting. I'd of bet on the 2 stroke. But suprise finish. You sounded like you was having more fun on the 2 stroke ✊🏼 braap
Love your ideas for videos
still confused how the 4t made the time as he admitted to a human error in gearing which messed his time on the 2 smoker but great video and helps in a big difference through its comparisons 👍
and I think the 4 stroke gives you more confidence and dose the 4 stroke have a kick start as well or just electric start
250 two stroke for the heart but 250 fourstroke for the numbers .......... plus the four stroke helps with engine stoping and pwer band smoother vs the two stroke you need to be more agressive with the brakes and power band pulls alot harder to keep up for a race.
The bottom line is that if you can ride a 2-stroke will beet a 4-stroke everytime.
you're right ryan, it's down to the skill of the rider, 4 strokes are easier to ride, but if you want to win, 2 strokes every time.
every day to day rider says this but all the pros say they run beter laps on 4t
@@vaughanhodgson that's because they can't ride a 2-stroke.
@@vaughanhodgson no they don't, go look at lap times from 2005 when Carmichael Stewart etc were on 250s and everyone in the lights class was on 250 four strokes. The 250 two strokes were much faster around the tracks than the four strokes. The only reason 4 strokes even got popular is because of their handicap. It's like me beating Usain bolt when I was given a 75 foot head start. Sure I beat him but only because I was given an advantage. If it was heads up he would beat me, just like cc for cc a two stroke is lighter, more reliable, cheaper to maintain, makes more torque and horsepower than a four stroke. The only thing I like about four strokes and why like racing them is there a lot less tiring and you can be lazy. It's like a supercharged car versus a turbo charge turbochargers always going to make more horsepower but more difficult to drive.
@@4touchdowns1game29 yea 2005 the modern 4t is alot different.
I would get a orange version of that 250 2 stroke ktm myself there rockets 😁
If lap timed didn't matter and you strictly rode for fun which bike u taking? Cheers man
both great bikes but i’m in love with my KTM 150 sx
Now, race on how fast you can rebuild the top end in each.
I have a 150 cc engine and it has been bore up to 200 cc the power is really crazy. to around 40 hp at 12000 rpm, 40% more powerful than before, you can't imagine how crazy the power of a large engine with a 2 stroke configuration is.
2stroke vs 4stroke didnt see lap times in video
i would like to try both cuz i havent ride other motocross brand than honda and yamaha both 250 4stroke and 125 yamaha 2stroke but on grass
2 strokes for life
I currently own three 4-strokes. I’ve never even ridden a 2-stroke, but I want one just for the sound. It just seems…right.
Great vid! Id love to have both!
My 2019 ktm 250 sx is 50hp so i think the tc makes more then low 40s. Could be wrong tho
First off , you weren't raised riding 2 strokes and , more importantly, 2 strokes have not been improved up on much in the last 20 years. Take a modded 2 stroke with someone that knows how to ride it against the best 4 stroke you can build and the 4 stroke will lose. Even DeCoster said that is harder to ride a 2 stroke, but anyone that can will will over the four bangers.
"You need to mod a 2 stroke to be faster" was the takeaway I got from your comment
@@StrykerV8 Yes, because the factories haven't really been putting any serious effort into motocross worthy 2 stroke engines in the last 20 years. Had they been, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
@@theprofessorfate6184 a modern 450 has no competion
Hey bud I watch you with all the stuff that you do and your buddy on the CR500 I used to having 85 CR500 that was a beast I loved it but that new 2 stroke 250 a ride Namba that's Kick-Ass I live in New in Louisiana and that's very kick ass man what you doing but I like the Megalodon that you made I would love to see that Megalodon run
All bike have the Power but it’s the rider , the bester and faster a rider is the fast there bike goes
I think traction was the difference
Trouble with 250 strokes they can catch you out some of my worst were from riding 250 2t and your right for average guy who needs to go work on Monday morning 250f is just a safer bet .....now 125 2t are a different matter just love those little devil's🙂
Great video Max, great action shots of both bikes, good comparison, 4stroke may be easier to ride, more torque and tractable engine. would love to see more of these tests with other makes of bikes, how about giving some of the electric MX bikes a test a comparison for us tree huggers.
Hey Kev, good to hear from you mate! I really enjoyed doing this test so i think we'll definitely do more like this in the future. I'd love to test more of the electric bikes, but they are quite hard to get hold of for tests at the moment. I did do a review of the alta redshift a few years ago which is still on the channel - th-cam.com/video/vN9_q0nyMBs/w-d-xo.html
@@999lazer you're the man max,keep those great videos coming
Two stroke actually makes alot more torque than the four stroke. Look at a Dyno chart of a yz 250 and a yz 250f.
2 strock I would never buy a four just don't do it for me all my m8 say how much easier they are to ride but still everything about 2 stocks I love the fun is unreal
use the right tool for the right job. riding mud or hills 4 stroke wins. riding hard pack or jumping logs 2 stroke!
i would say it all goes on the rider, the track and type of track...
Great video ! At the end of a 30min moto you would be 10 secs quicker. I'd rather a 2t though..
which of them are faster
You were bogging the two-stroke too much you got to stay in the Power Band high in the gears. The two-stroke could have gone even faster. So easy to maintain two-stroke you just pop the head off home with steel wool and then put a new piston in with rings. No valves to mess with
Great to see the choice is available to race whatever format you want. Let the battles begin!! 👍😎
Hell yeah, variety is the spice of life after all! Thanks for watching Glen :D
I think it makes the biggest difference on a real sand track
Both bikes are great but I prefer two strokes they are more fun
No smoke no poke
Only thing I'm giving my 250 2t for is a new 500 2t
Twostroke!
What's a kilogram? Hahah just playin, nice riding Max
Unless you're an expert (and sometimes even experts) you're faster on a less powerful bike. However that doesn't always translate to wins. The powerful bike can get ahead on the straights and get in the way on the corners.
I'd have to agree, once the gate drops logic can often be thrown out the window! lol Thanks for watching :D
@@999lazer I'm a huge 2 stroke fan. I was present at the last ever 500 two stroke ridden in MotoGP. It qualified on pole. Significantly faster than the more powerful 990cc 4 strokes. It was also dead last into the first corner. I was gutted.
I ride bikes for fun, 2 strokes are way more fun to ride, keep ya fence checkers lol
what is the jetting of the 2 stroke?
Sounds perfect doesn't it.?
@@larrynorsworthy8582 yes it does thats why i asked hahahahaha
@Motors4Life Altitude and oxygen density dictates the needed jet size. Provided there is no air leaks or no internal carb gas leaking into the mix. Like a flooding float valve or leaky jet housing assembly. So a good old fashioned plug reading is where to start. Lean is mean until it gets too good and burns a hole in the piston. A too rich mix will be a dog. Plug color will be white if too lean. Black if too rich. Light tan is optimal color. I hope I have been helpful.
@@larrynorsworthy8582 yes i was seting my jetting by ktm recomendet specefications and i am floding plugs like crayzy but the jets i think are fine jst te mid range power the bike is rich so i putted the needle down a litle so there is less fuel but now i think the bike is runing to lean but no problems with the spark for now....
@@Motors4LifeOfficial what carb and year model?
Awesome video mate
Thank you.
Hi max its 2 strokes for us buddy u where buzzing so much more andl loving the 2 stroke just sound of your voice on it tells me that they way more exciting and fun lots need to work more on 2 smoker to on fourstroke this are bit more easier i feel buddy great vlog omg ill love that stroker noise sound its irraplacible mate hahaha
Hey Chris! For sure the Smoker was way more exciting, in the 'holy crap this thing is so fast' kinda way lol It definitely leaves you buzzing a whole lot more! Thanks for watching mate
I'm racing then a 250 2-strok will smash a 250 5-stroke.
125 2T is more comparable to 250 4T & 250 2T is more comparable to 450 4T yes I know before the comments roll in a 2022 4T has more than 250 2T but they are more comparable than comparing a 250 2T to a 250 4T
Max, your a trip dude! But I say that in a good way with admiration and respect as your a more than decent rider for a amateur, and your review was really enjoyable to watch! However you made me laugh especially when you said "I was quietly rooting for the two stroke...", Hahaha, dude, your unmitigated affection and bias for the two stroke was so over the top it was more than blatantly obvious!! From the minute you got on the two stroke your affection and enthusiasm for the two stroke poured out! But that's okay because it is what it is and at least you tried to acknowledge that even if you were a little less than honest with yourself about it. But everyone has preferences on something or other and I'm no different. I use to be a semi-pro mx'er back in the early 70's in Arizona riding small class but had my racing career ended by parents that divorced. So I became a wana-be racer for years untill one day I won (believe it or not) the AMA/PACE Supercross sweepstakes in 1999! All the way from tickets to the Phoenix Supercross race to picking the winning key at Sam Boyd stadium in Las Vegas to win the whole enchilada! This included a new Toyota Tundra, a YZ 250, and a gift cirt from Part Unlimited. But when I got home I talked the local Yamaha dealership into swapping the YZ250 for a YZ 400 F!! (Cost me about $350 to accomplish) I took that 400F and started racing again (at 40 yrs old and recently widowed so about 40lbs under weight I basically embarrassed myself!). But what I discovered was that the 4 stroke has 2 things going for it that hard to beat:
1. Power band that goes on and on! I found I could ride almost any course in two gears! 2nd gear starts that gave me hole shots and 3rd gear that got me to eye watering speeds and still enough torque and power band left over to pull a wheelie at anytime! 2. Gobs of power! Of course this ties in with #1 as one without the other would have been useless. Compression braking also if you knew how to use it otherwise I found you stalled the bike easily and it is a B.I.T.C.H. to restart esp in a race! So you learned not to brake without clutching the engine or else!
But this was a 400 in the 250 class which I felt was unfair to the two stroke. So how the AMA made it ok to ride 450's is beyond me as you showed - now days they are very close cc for cc! But I believe that soon you will be a convert as 4 strokes continue to improve and you get over your need to hear the two stroke scream and the quick shifting needed to stay in the power band! The future is 4 stroke my friend (so long as the AMA doesn't give in to the electric bike,! Yikes!!)😱
Steve G.
The wet sure favors the 4t
To really see a difference, you need to do multiple laps on each bike and then compare the average over those multiple laps and standard deviations. Standard deviations will tell you how consistent you are on each bike. A statistical t-test can analyze the data and can determine with 95% confidence that one bike is faster than the other, or if it's statistically insignificant. That would be more scientific than anecdotally comparing fastest lap times. Love the video though!
Dude- it's very clear which bike you were enjoying more! - I reckon if you were fresh on your Dad's '95 CR250, you would be faster. Great vid all the same👍👍👍
Hey mate! The smoker definitely got the bigger reaction out of me, if it's the thrill of the ride you are looking for then that bike is the one to have. And you're right, i think if i was fresh at the start of the day and i really gritted my teeth and held on tight i would certainly be faster on the 2 stroke for a lap....just maybe not a full race! lol thanks for watching mate
Great video. Time to tell the mrs I need another bike. 🤙
haha always room for another bike... and Xmas is coming soon :)
@@999lazer I’ve wanted an FX 350 for a long time. 😉
Am l envious!!! 😃😁😀 I bet you are really enjoying it"😂 lucky bugger! 👏💪👉✌ great video man!
Thanks for watching dude! It really was a fun time at the track filming this one! ;-D
2 strokes are better hands down.
Woow nice bike
It's just the 4 stroke gets more traction cause it has less power and the firing order I think a wider rear tyre on the two stroke and it would be faster
That’s a myth. 4-strokes do not get more traction, in fact they get less traction than a similar displacement 2-stroke.
@@SPCRacing1 it’s a bit more of a myth these days with how two strokes have tons more low end. But I think it’s fair to say that the four strokes being heavier and having more torque gives you better traction.
The track was very slick when i first started riding, so i'm glad i chose to ride the four stroke first. the power delivery - particularly in map 1 - is so smooth and usable. Thanks for watching Robert
@@SPCRacing1 it's most definitely not a myth less power strokes give more traction it's why the Ducatis were so dominant in wsb over the Japanese fours they could get the power down better
i think 250 2stroke with modulation will smoke 4stroke easy and pinned
Me thinks you’re dreaming, lol.
It should be the same cc against cc.
It will be interesting to see how the 2023 Throttle Body Injection TC/SX models will compare. Predictions?
Agreed, i'll be very interested to give one a test. Thanks for watching dude
2 stroke all the way like both buy 2 stroke
This would be like convenience a 4 stroke guy to like a 2 stroke , he would be biased for the 4 stroke like u are for the 2 stroke ,
New vid😃
Sorry it's been a while dude! But I have been busy filming lots of cool things, so we've got a run of awesome films coming your way on the lead up to Christmas :D
🔥🔥
If it was dry you wooda smashed it on the two stroke as it was u did well for such a sloppy track
It takes a mad man to really race a 2 stroke, always have to be in the throttle. Think of the 4 stroke as 911 gt with the traction control on and the 2 stroke being a Supra 2jz with a bigger turbo.. when the boost hits at 5000rpm you better know how to drive that sob 😂
Yeah sort of dude, for me the 2 bangers are like a turbo car & the 4 bangers are like a V8, I love em both.
Honestly the new 4 strokes are more top endy than 2 strokes. The new 250cc 4 stroke kawasaki makes as much hp as a 500 but it all above 16,000 rpm.
Also The supra was really like the two stroke of cars. It was the one car in the 90s that had to compete with cars that had waaaay bigger engines. All the fastest supras in the 90s only had 2 liter 4 bangers. Shoot the supra on the cover of Gran Turismo was the most famous of all the 4 cylinder supras and it was beating Ferraris and stuff. You have to remember the 2jz sucked for racing and is why Toyota never ran 2jz engines. The supra for example used the faster 4 cylinder 3s based engine and when they were forced to ditch that they went with the 1uz v8.
with one would cost more to maintain over the years I think the 2 stroke
Wtf are you serious? The two stroke is ten times cheaper to maintain than the four stroke, not to mention it has a handful of moving parts vs hundreds I. The four stroke. Four strokes also rev like twice as high which is not good for the engine.
Blowing up a 4 stroke will cost you a 2 stroke lmao.
Braapp..
2 strokes for life.
Amen to that! Thanks for watching Steve
Very honest
Thanks for watching John
I'd take the 2stroke...thier harder to ride" like a wild bull! Braaap!
2 smokers for life
Let's go Brandon 🤣🤘👍🎥
European “tracks” are adorable
2 smoker
2Strokes are best dirt bikes 4strokes are not pr never will be a dirt bike shit ban 4strokes crap
The TWO stroke really won...😉😂
Wahhhhhhh!!!!
This isn't a race.
Its a massacre.
#braplife
Edit: I'd love to rip my CR500 around there!
We all know the 2-stroke won.
The 2 Stroke will always win our hearts Doc ;-D
The 2 stroke wins our hearts, but loses the actual race.
4 strokes are rubbish, real men ride 2 strokes