It's baseless actually to differentiate between Chinese and American companies. If China has rules that Huawei has to share intelligence, so do Facebook and Google. The gentleman arguing that it's India vs an MNC in case of Facebook and India vs China in case of Huawei is exaggerating the situation. Because American companies are bound by the rules to share intelligence at request and they have been doing that for decades now. The CIA and the NSA has all our data. What's basically the difference then?
I don't think the thing with China govt's rule for it's companies to support on intelligence front is same with U.S. and its companies. If what you say is true, then by now China would've replied saying "even U.S. has those kind of rules, why only targeting China". U.S. companies did not reveal such data to even FBI and Court's orders. Have a look at these articles. www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/22/tim-cook-apple-refusal-unlock-iphone-fbi-civil-liberties www.cnet.com/news/apple-vs-fbi-one-year-later-still-stuck-in-limbo/ let me know what you think.
Anil chowdhury is ajit Dovals batchmate. They were in the IB together for a long time in the delhi office. Very good officer and well informed. He has done considerable amount for the country
The 5G Debate Key Highlights :- - In the coming year India is all set to roll out it's 5G trials. - With the rollout of 5G various companies such as Nokia, Ecrision, Samsung and Huawei role is at stake. - According to K.Vijayraghavan, Principal Advisory reports recommends to go for 5G trials without the Chinese company. - Despite Huawei has made repeated provisions that there is no data sharing with the government. What can 5G do? - When the technology rolls out in the year 2020 it will take very less time in data transmission. Some of the use cases of this technology can be seen in driverless cars and robotics surgery. - It is a technology hype. - 5G will have 1 million penetration of use from current limited to few people. - India in the past has taken very few steps in yhe development of its own internet protocols. - Major hub of data of India is outside it's territory. What are major concerns for Huawei? - Main conflict arises with USA-China trade war. USA has blacklisted Huawei and as claimed that there is privacy breach of data in the company. - In India 2G, 3G, 4G all these technologies are been built by Huawei. - Cost benefit analysis factors are also to be considered as the major telecom companies are undergoing financial crises. - Huawei provides better technology with lower cost. - India now stands at the geo-political struggle between US and China. What India should Do? - Trade and technology are centre for geo-politics. - Chinese government has law of providing the data when required by the communist party. - India's decision should be on the broader perspective. Both national security and Industrial revolution 4.0 is at stake. - Implications of the decision will either benefit us or it will make us suffer. Challenges/ Opportunities of 5G - • Backdoor problem : Before when there was 2G, 3G and 4G there were no such Chinese rules. • South Korean compnay siad that, " Samsung is ready to work for 5G roll out of India." • Indian government should make laws pertaining to transmission of data outside the country. • All the crucial data should be stored within the country boundaries. • Recently, RBI has mandated to store all the financial data within the country. • All the stakeholders should be consulted before taking any decision. • At G20 summit USA and India agreed to come up together to build the 5G technology. • Some experts says that next revolution phase will belong to China than USA. Way Forward:- ✓ India should build its cyper technology indigenously. Many brilliant Indian minds are working outside the country which would help us a lot to build our own technology. ✓ Private - Public partnership model would be very much effective. ✓ Experts are needed around the table to arrive at the optimal solution. ✓ India has made a tremendous growth in space technology and we should join our hands together to strengthen India's cyper technology.
After listening to Anil Chaudhary's (former internal security, secretary) high motivating speech about working together as one and all, I realised how disconnected these secretaries are from the 'real politik' ..... (He thinks that cutting edge technology could be developed within few months or weeks) so delusional and impractical... No wonder, we lack that leadership which is 5 steps ahead of the present situation like China.
I agree with Mr. Choudhary and pant views that india must have its own technology infrastructure that can built data secure ,technology equipment and free flow of secured data. Another thing is that india should rely on its own national interest ,do not follow the us-china trade war.
At present it could take a long time , secretary has ambiguity in his statement on one side he wants telecom infra to grow but on other side he says we have to ensure security and have a body for that . I don't believe him
@@Himanshu.Harleyx440 exactly my point ... Students think that cutting edge technology could be developed within few months or weeks ... So delusional... Chaudhary is exactly what's wrong with the country ...
this whole buzz around India being the software leader boils down to e-commerce company in India. We are hardly doing any cutting edge research in AI, 5G, Robotics, Technological Agriculture, etc. I worked in India and the USA, believe me, we provide the USA what they don't find interesting.
I have been all around the net looking for a show like this. Sometimes I will spend hours digging through mainstream media to find 4-5 minutes of good intelligent conversations.
He has shared multiple intelligent arguments and is a subject expert. Don't you think it's slightly condescending of viewers like us to demean his value to a debate like this because of the way his Indian English sounds?
The only concern with something new is it's unwanted effects on the ecosystem and health concerns , it's not allowed in many parts of the world as a concern ..... Scientist have many opinions 😂 sometimes 💰 money makes opinions and sometimes agendas ....
Samsung has established world's largest mobile phone factory at NOIDA in India under the "make in India" program. Samsung has also developed technology to set up 5G services. India must involve its businessmen & IT engineers to collaborate with Samsung to set up 5G services in India as that would give significant boost to the production of 5G smart phones at the NOIDA facility.
aur sbse badi bat...4g m hi hum soch rahe h ki data bahut jaldi khtm ho jata h to 5g ka to kam hi nahi... lekin fast internet 5g/6g aam logo k liye nahi hota.......inka upyog business m bhi hota h.....to yes ....agar kisi ko 5g/6g chahiye to jiofibre bahut sasta h
huwai chinese 5g ka koi kam nahi india m.......jiofibre se aap mobile connect krke 100mb/sec se 1gb/sec prapt kr sakte h....data khatm hone pr bhi apko 1mb/sec ki speed milegi jo abhi apke 4g mobile m speed aati h
The main thing is china is spending lot of money in their major industry which is science and technology and also india should find out its major industry to development of country and invest on that and improve it better in which it can take the benefits of the global market .
As we all know with the lack of basic infrastructure services we cannot do compitition with china and other countries so first we should develop our basic requirements.
Way forward we must built our own cyber defence system and excel in cyber technology. We must include all stakeholders during making policy not only bureaucrats. Being dependent on China or USA for 5g technology is not favorable, we must work on own indigenous technology system like isro in space technology bcoz Entire 4th revolution depand on 5g.
Thanks a lot for providing a very healthy discussion at 5G. It is the era of new technologies as well as the advancements of the learnings , a person ll have to be with contemporary news.
Join with US to develop India's own 5G technology. Chinese companies should be excluded the same as Pakistan would be if Pakistani companies connected to the Pakistani military would be if they tenderered for the contract. India should also not be helping Hwawei achieve a global monopoly.
Fb & google still gives the data away for national interest.. Don't think them any better ... Don't forget Snowden and all whistleblowers and ask the expert hackers
Conclusion:- We need to diversify and open our discussion and dialogue from the bureautic space to taking on board all the expert minds and move forward taking into account our interest .
the biggest reason behind our failure to develop such technologies in India is that our intelligent minds are not respected in their own country. so they use to go to other countries where their talent get appreciated.
The 5G rollout is being pushed by the government. The industry is against the rollout of 5G services at this point of time due to their bad condition. In this scenario how can we involve them in determining the best way for national interest as suggested by the panelists?
5g will be great opportunity for india in r&d so that india will have to work on that and compete with developed contries. Country needs technological development
Such a contrast to the fanatic debates that take place in general channels.
It's baseless actually to differentiate between Chinese and American companies. If China has rules that Huawei has to share intelligence, so do Facebook and Google. The gentleman arguing that it's India vs an MNC in case of Facebook and India vs China in case of Huawei is exaggerating the situation. Because American companies are bound by the rules to share intelligence at request and they have been doing that for decades now. The CIA and the NSA has all our data. What's basically the difference then?
@@keepingittight yes it's true and is being proved time and again.
I don't think the thing with China govt's rule for it's companies to support on intelligence front is same with U.S. and its companies. If what you say is true, then by now China would've replied saying "even U.S. has those kind of rules, why only targeting China".
U.S. companies did not reveal such data to even FBI and Court's orders. Have a look at these articles.
www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/22/tim-cook-apple-refusal-unlock-iphone-fbi-civil-liberties
www.cnet.com/news/apple-vs-fbi-one-year-later-still-stuck-in-limbo/
let me know what you think.
The difference is that in the USA its a scandal. In China is normal.
The US even spied Angela Merkel's private phone. And you all think US and China are any different in this matter.
Anil chowdhury is ajit Dovals batchmate. They were in the IB together for a long time in the delhi office. Very good officer and well informed. He has done considerable amount for the country
Love you Rajya sabha TV for giving excellent knowledge
Well, one statement by the panelist that America is losing the technology game is correct?
The 5G Debate
Key Highlights :-
- In the coming year India is all set to roll out it's 5G trials.
- With the rollout of 5G various companies such as Nokia, Ecrision, Samsung and Huawei role is at stake.
- According to K.Vijayraghavan, Principal Advisory reports recommends to go for 5G trials without the Chinese company.
- Despite Huawei has made repeated provisions that there is no data sharing with the government.
What can 5G do?
- When the technology rolls out in the year 2020 it will take very less time in data transmission. Some of the use cases of this technology can be seen in driverless cars and robotics surgery.
- It is a technology hype.
- 5G will have 1 million penetration of use from current limited to few people.
- India in the past has taken very few steps in yhe development of its own internet protocols.
- Major hub of data of India is outside it's territory.
What are major concerns for Huawei?
- Main conflict arises with USA-China trade war. USA has blacklisted Huawei and as claimed that there is privacy breach of data in the company.
- In India 2G, 3G, 4G all these technologies are been built by Huawei.
- Cost benefit analysis factors are also to be considered as the major telecom companies are undergoing financial crises.
- Huawei provides better technology with lower cost.
- India now stands at the geo-political struggle between US and China.
What India should Do?
- Trade and technology are centre for geo-politics.
- Chinese government has law of providing the data when required by the communist party.
- India's decision should be on the broader perspective. Both national security and Industrial revolution 4.0 is at stake.
- Implications of the decision will either benefit us or it will make us suffer.
Challenges/ Opportunities of 5G -
• Backdoor problem : Before when there was 2G, 3G and 4G there were no such Chinese rules.
• South Korean compnay siad that, " Samsung is ready to work for 5G roll out of India."
• Indian government should make laws pertaining to transmission of data outside the country.
• All the crucial data should be stored within the country boundaries.
• Recently, RBI has mandated to store all the financial data within the country.
• All the stakeholders should be consulted before taking any decision.
• At G20 summit USA and India agreed to come up together to build the 5G technology.
• Some experts says that next revolution phase will belong to China than USA.
Way Forward:-
✓ India should build its cyper technology indigenously. Many brilliant Indian minds are working outside the country which would help us a lot to build our own technology.
✓ Private - Public partnership model would be very much effective.
✓ Experts are needed around the table to arrive at the optimal solution.
✓ India has made a tremendous growth in space technology and we should join our hands together to strengthen India's cyper technology.
you have actually summed up the debate better than others..
very crisp and actually helpful..
just keep doing the good work..
thanks alot..
thank u so much brother.. keep it up.
After listening to Anil Chaudhary's (former internal security, secretary) high motivating speech about working together as one and all, I realised how disconnected these secretaries are from the 'real politik' ..... (He thinks that cutting edge technology could be developed within few months or weeks) so delusional and impractical... No wonder, we lack that leadership which is 5 steps ahead of the present situation like China.
I agree with Mr. Choudhary and pant views that india must have its own technology infrastructure that can built data secure ,technology equipment and free flow of secured data.
Another thing is that india should rely on its own national interest ,do not follow the us-china trade war.
At present it could take a long time , secretary has ambiguity in his statement on one side he wants telecom infra to grow but on other side he says we have to ensure security and have a body for that . I don't believe him
@@Himanshu.Harleyx440 exactly my point ... Students think that cutting edge technology could be developed within few months or weeks ... So delusional... Chaudhary is exactly what's wrong with the country ...
this whole buzz around India being the software leader boils down to e-commerce company in India. We are hardly doing any cutting edge research in AI, 5G, Robotics, Technological Agriculture, etc. I worked in India and the USA, believe me, we provide the USA what they don't find interesting.
@rajya sabha TV please make a playlist of Big Picture and In depth
I have been all around the net looking for a show like this. Sometimes I will spend hours digging through mainstream media to find 4-5 minutes of good intelligent conversations.
We have space technology that only a few countries have. What stops us from building our own cyber infrastructure?
I would like to see anil chowdary sir in coming rstv big picture debates
We need data protection bill then think about 5 g technology
Please don't call prof nk goyal. It is just very difficult to grasp what he try to say
He has shared multiple intelligent arguments and is a subject expert. Don't you think it's slightly condescending of viewers like us to demean his value to a debate like this because of the way his Indian English sounds?
Ritish Raj too enthusiastic about Huawei.. Hadn't heard any cons from him
awesome talk.........
Rishi Raj seems lobbying hewaei...
The only concern with something new is it's unwanted effects on the ecosystem and health concerns , it's not allowed in many parts of the world as a concern ..... Scientist have many opinions 😂 sometimes 💰 money makes opinions and sometimes agendas ....
Well said
Maybr
Samsung has established world's largest mobile phone factory at NOIDA in India under the "make in India" program. Samsung has also developed technology to set up 5G services. India must involve its businessmen & IT engineers to collaborate with Samsung to set up 5G services in India as that would give significant boost to the production of 5G smart phones at the NOIDA facility.
Great debate👌👌
Choudhry ji won the show
Hats off
will data protection bill , anyway would address data security issue related to the 5G technology??
Very useful 😉
Well spoken Mr Anil choudhary
Someone is on Huawei payroll
Now india achieve a great success in space technology...We have to enhance more technology
aur sbse badi bat...4g m hi hum soch rahe h ki data bahut jaldi khtm ho jata h to 5g ka to kam hi nahi...
lekin fast internet 5g/6g aam logo k liye nahi hota.......inka upyog business m bhi hota h.....to yes ....agar kisi ko 5g/6g chahiye to jiofibre bahut sasta h
We can not have driver less car in India...
huwai chinese 5g ka koi kam nahi india m.......jiofibre se aap mobile connect krke 100mb/sec se 1gb/sec prapt kr sakte h....data khatm hone pr bhi apko 1mb/sec ki speed milegi jo abhi apke 4g mobile m speed aati h
The main thing is china is spending lot of money in their major industry which is science and technology and also india should find out its major industry to development of country and invest on that and improve it better in which it can take the benefits of the global market .
Everyone says whatever comes to their mouth. No study about topic being discussed
As we all know with the lack of basic infrastructure services we cannot do compitition with china and other countries so first we should develop our basic requirements.
Way forward we must built our own cyber defence system and excel in cyber technology.
We must include all stakeholders during making policy not only bureaucrats.
Being dependent on China or USA for 5g technology is not favorable, we must work on own indigenous technology system like isro in space technology bcoz Entire 4th revolution depand on 5g.
Thanks a lot for providing a very healthy discussion at 5G. It is the era of new technologies as well as the advancements of the learnings , a person ll have to be with contemporary news.
Join with US to develop India's own 5G technology. Chinese companies should be excluded the same as Pakistan would be if Pakistani companies connected to the Pakistani military would be if they tenderered for the contract. India should also not be helping Hwawei achieve a global monopoly.
Wonderful minds in the panel..
The issue is too complex for the members of this panel to analyse.
They don't have either the expertise or the experience.
Disappointed.
@@Amazing_mother_nature Exactly bro
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Fb & google still gives the data away for national interest.. Don't think them any better ... Don't forget Snowden and all whistleblowers and ask the expert hackers
Good sir and really such great information and know what's happening around us
Conclusion:-
We need to diversify and open our discussion and dialogue from the bureautic space to taking on board all the expert minds and move forward taking into account our interest .
5g is not for common people that cost and exp too high that its only for corporate sector and big people.4g could not reduce
the biggest reason behind our failure to develop such technologies in India is that our intelligent minds are not respected in their own country. so they use to go to other countries where their talent get appreciated.
We can't block a technology !!
The 5G rollout is being pushed by the government.
The industry is against the rollout of 5G services at this point of time due to their bad condition.
In this scenario how can we involve them in determining the best way for national interest as suggested by the panelists?
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Develop own and wait till then anyways most of data is blown off in movies and WhatsApp
5g will be great opportunity for india in r&d so that india will have to work on that and compete with developed contries.
Country needs technological development
India will take its own decisions but not at the cost of national security and ecosystem.
Good evening Frank