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MAVIX m9 - amzn.to/3H5xR6x (Amazon)
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Eurotech Vera - bit.ly/2lDlO98 (BTOD)
Ticova Ergonomic - amzn.to/3Q7WHak (Amazon)
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NewHeights S Series - bit.ly/3X3GEL2 (BTOD)
Wood Wall Paneling - bit.ly/3AnoVW4 (WoodVeneerHub)
Humanscale Monitor Arm - bit.ly/3rDp3xk (BTOD)
LaMetric Clock - amzn.to/3L3nJfm (Amazon)
BenQ ScreenBar - amzn.to/3V2w7As (Amazon)
Logitech MX Vertical Mouse - amzn.to/40BQxkK (Amazon)
EPOMAKER Keycaps - amzn.to/3N9cnsY (Amazon)
EPOMAKE AKKO Retro - amzn.to/3L3nTDu (Amazon)
Keychron K4 96% - amzn.to/41RSOJK (Amazon)
Govee Floor Lamp - amzn.to/40wSY8f (Amazon)
Samsung 49" Ultrawide - amzn.to/3ozQmco (Amazon)
Shure M7 Mic - amzn.to/3owvpyZ (Amazon)
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KELOTEVEN Plant - amzn.to/3UZb0yF (Amazon)
Round End Table - amzn.to/3H5lVkA (Amazon)
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IDEA4WALL Frames - amzn.to/3N9cFA4 (Amazon)
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Adding "gaming" to a thing's description usually just means it has a higher price, a fancy paint job, and some impractical design choices.
Facts
And yet they are still being sold thanks to twitch and streamer promos 😭
and translates to overprice cheap products made of poorer quality.
Less padding too.
Ooooor.. most people don't wanna spend like a thousand on a Herman Miller.@@no_to_handles
I gamed and worked from home on a crappy chair for a long time. I finally invested in a quality chair and I've noticed a huge difference when it comes to comfort. I would say I regret not doing this sooner but truthfully it wasn't something I could afford at the time. I have that Mavix M9 in the video and love it.
Straight up watching for this video because of the exact same reason you listed. Currently game and work from home on a a really really old gaming chair and have had it for a long time. Looking for something good.
@dawizze1 This is a great investment considering the cheaper chairs last so many years. Assuming it fits your budget of course. I know forking over this much money for a chair can be wild. I was there at one point and was probably one of the biggest haters about it. I would always say stuff like "this chair better do my work for me at that price" 😂. It does absolutely 0 work for me but I'm really comfy and don't get that butt and back ache my old chair gave me. Best of luck and hope you find something you really like.
Great video as usual. 2 things to note. Steelcase Amia owner here (love the chair by the way I got in 2011 and it has been incredible.) I still find my self grabbing my gaming chair around once a day for a specific task. I also have an extra one for you guessed it my sim racing setup. After it’s all sim racing I want the realism. So that is a point you could have added it is great for people who sim race and want to feel as close to possible and get as much realism as possible. 2nd point, you noted the full recline function is trash. However that’s the reason I grab the chair. I have a tall padded thing I use as a footrest I lay my feet on it and then use my monitor arm to get my big 49 inch monitor high and pointed downward. I use my full recline grab my controller and play laid back games with my controller laying back in a comfortable position just having a good time. So yes an office chair is so much more comfy, however there is specific occasions where a gaming chair is better, I feel like my 2 situations are the only ones. You could also maybe say for looks but I would still rather just get a cool looking office chair.
Thanks for this, and sharing your insight!
Thank you man, mind blowing logic!
Really good video. I’ve been wanting to know this, as I’m currently looking for an office chair
Thanks for your video. I like your table (I mean black table). Please tell me what brand it is?
Thanks a lot buddy! This helps a lot!
i need a tall flat back office chair, i had spine fusion and it actually hurts more to sit in a chair with the lump in the lower back, any suggestions?
This is gold for me. I got a remote job and my computer chair works for paying bills, or kids doing homework. All day, it is so bad. I also had a spinal fusion surgery 3 months ago, so that doesn't help. I don't have a big budget yet, but i can probably do a $300 chair for now. Thank you.
I once had a awful gaming chair that looked like a racing car seat. That chair was so uncomfortable (and it seriously hurt my back) I threw it away.
Now I sit on a sturdy kitchen chair, and oh boy! My hip & back pain is gone!!! So my tip is to get a sturdy kitchen chair with decent seat depth and good back support.
Any recommendations for a office chair?
Should not be more expensiv than 1000€.
For 8-12h (sit-time) and I am using it for my gaming PC most the time.
RAZER ENKI and Asus Destrier Ergo are descent options worth considering.
Twist test is the only test necessary
Some have called this "Ryan's Patented Move" 😂-Greg
Thanks. This is one of the most helpful videos on TH-cam! ❤
(The only thing I didn't like was the Temu ad I had to watch before the video started.)
thanks for the video! I actually had the same thoughts and you just proved to me that I'm right. Even cheap but properly shaped office chair is much better than highly-priced gaming chair.
I came to this same conclusion years ago regarding any product labeled "gaming". In my case it was headphones. Spending $200+ on gaming headphones that never lasted, had no replaceable parts and were generally just inferior to well known audiophile brands. It was well worth and cheaper in the long run to save for a nice pair of headphones. My Sennheiser headphones are going on 12 years old now, can replace the cables, pads etc and just as good as the day I bought them.
Audiophile brands still dont last for me. My $300 AKG's the cables went to shit, the $80 pads needed replacement, and a plastic part on 1 part broke. Sennheiser my pads went but I didn't know you could replace them and gave them away. I still need to get myself a new pair I was thinking the Sennheiser HD600XX from massdrop.
which set of Sennheiser headphones do you have!? I'm in the market for a new headset.
@@insaviour2783 The HD650's. I have loved them and I'd totally recommend someone to try them out. I'd hesitate to buy them blind from some place that is a hassle to make returns with though. The HD650's seem to be split in groups of either love or hate. They are open back and 300 ohm so require a DAC and AMP to push them.
I currently use Hyperx Cloud Alpha headphones, which I bought for under £100, over 3 years ago.
They've held up really well, especially since they're used throughout the work week for me.
The pads have cracked a bit, but that's because I've abused them a lot and not looked after them properly.
Some audiophile brands are massively overpriced and not really built as well as they should be.
I do like Beyerdynamic's budget range, but the lack of a detachable cable is really annoying.
Best general advice indeed: avoid "gaming" products, they're usually worse than the non-gaming alternatives.
So can you list office chairs you recommend for gaming?
I bought a gaming chair once...key word ONCE.
Smart decision to keep it to one time :) -Greg
The new colamy showed up in this video-you guys mentioned it in your Amazon deals video as well. Any chance you’ll do a deeper look at this chair in the future?
Its coming! It will be live before BF and CM I believe -Greg
Hey I noticed the new Asus Destrier in the thumbnail and I wanted to ask if you can maybe do a stand alone review. Thinking of getting the chair but there are not enough reviews or even Reddit reviews. Plz plz make one! Thanks
Coming this Sunday -Greg
Anybody know the model name of the brown chair in the thumbnail?
Great video, but just like most videos to do with chairs it's usually US where as I'm in the uk and it can be harder to find the links and chairs you guys talk about for obvious reason, different regions
Sorry if this isnt the best place to ask, but figured I would try.
I had a pretty bad accident that makes sitting upright in a chair rather painful. So sitting at a desk has been something I have to do minimally. My chair is old and not great, so I've been looking to replace it. The main thing I need is just for the butt cushion to be quite soft, and enough room for easy position adjustment. I've considered just getting a recliner because of this, but there has to be a better option than that. I need something that is soft and somewhat spacious, as i need to readjust my seating position very frequently, so I know I should be looking office chairs. I'm just not sure where to start. If anyone here has any advice, I would greatly appreciate it. :)
I personally prefer recliners, but if its gonna be used in an office setting, maybe an office chair with a kick back stand for your feet. Or just add a cushion to an ergonomic chair. I know this is a late reply, but thought I could help
I appreciate the reply all the same. I actually watched some more videos from these guys and decided to pick up a Haworth Soji (95% Polyester Cushion) during their Black Friday sale. Having a recliner for my desk would have been very cumbersome as I'm in an apartment, so not a ton of space. Although I do plan on getting a recliner for my living room, so it also seemed a bit silly to get 2 in the end. Lol. The chair has been great so far. Still breaking it in, and it makes me wish I had an adjustable desk. A foot rest is something I will be looking into, but am ultimately happy with the choice. :)
@@itranscendencei7964 good for you man, I'm glad you're happy with your choice, just an fyi for the recliner. If you're gonna get a leather one, make sure it's genuine leather or else it'll start ripping apart within a year
Very very informative. Excellent. Thank you
what kind of chair would I want to get if I enjoy sitting cross legged sometimes or with one foot under my body, and I also use blankets a lot as it gets rather cold in my home during winter. I've been having lots of back issues with my current chair.
Grow a pair
@@User_92020 grow up keyboard warrior
the problem is office chairs basic angle is 105 degrees compare to gaming chairs who u can choose from 90 degrees to around 170
and i feel like when i game and hard focusing on it, the 90 degrees just feel more focused and into the game
and when i tried office chair, yeah they are alot better in comfrtoable, but i just cant see myself focusing on the game and leaning that far back...
what do u think ?
Genesis and Cougar that make gaming chairs, have the ASTAT 700 G2 and ARGO ONE ergonomic chair respectively.
On paper they seem legit.
This video has somewhat firmed my decision to get the Titan. I realised last night while debating this that I am one of those people who sits IN a chair rather than on it; the way i was lounging would have seen me leaning out of an office chair, but my cheap racer supported me. This video echoed my thoughts on that note exactly. A better quality chair will do me better.
As someone who PROMPTLY returned a Titan, be wary. it is incredibly, and I mean INCREDIBLY firm. Like, it's a fucking rock. You're not sitting on a chair cushion, you've got a sedimentary rock numbing your legs from the thighs down. Oh, and I didn't return it, I sold it second hand because their return policy is ass.
@@orangemc9358 did you get a large or regular? I read that a large needs more time to get soft.
I had that GTracing chair and for what I spent on it, it wasn't that great. Not a horrible chair! I just expected more.
Fast forward to visiting my Pops house after having the GTracing chair for a while, I'm sitting in his office chairs and it was a lot more comfortable and cheaper too. Idk who made them, but he got them from Staples.
I find myself unfortunately in the position of someone who does sit more inside a chair, so I want something like that preferably plush, with proper adjustable armrests so my elbow can be level with my desk but I just can’t seem to find a middle ground that’s good for both sides of wanting good sitting health, but still maintaining the possibility for a lazy sitting style.
I'd love to see a Embody Gaming vs Digital Knit Fern video, and with a bit more focus on slouching and comfort rather than ergonomics! As I'm chronically ill, I can't go to nearby shops to test out the chairs myself, especially when they often don't have these 2 specific models :(
Yeah i really feel like he puts emphasis on things that dont really matter like being able to swing your arms and stretch in your chair. What matters most is being comfortable in different positions you actually stay in and the ability to still use the keyboard/mouse. You could also argue its better to just get up and walk around a minute than stretch in your chair.
whats that chair at 0:17
I think the main difference is, how many gaming chairs manage to last past say 5 years? Most will have the faux leather peeling, the arm rests failing, the seating going flat etc etc. I'm pretty happy with my GT Omega chair as it seems to about the same quality as any other (steel frame, cold foam etc) but was £220 rather than £300-500. Now after half a decade however the seat is starting to go flat, all the seams in the seating have rippedthrough the faux leather.
To be fair, If I can get another seat for it I'd happily sit in for another half a decade. My sitting posture although not great doesn't result in back aches and seems to work with most chairs. The reason for me to go for an office chair is that they actually seem to last. There's Steelcase and Herman Miller chairs in their 'teens' that functionally are still the same as a new one, and they come with warranties that back that up. Gaming chairs mostly seem to be 2-3 years of warranty (warranty that doesn't cover pretty much everything that will go wrong because they'll write it down to normal wear and tear even when it isn't)
I'm nearly 5 years into my SecretLab Omega, almost still like new. One arm has started to crack due to me leaning, and the pillow has a hole. Other than that, I'm amazed how long it's lasted.
Yeah mine is about 6years old and the foam in the seat is completely flattened, it is not a comfortable chair anymore, the leather has held up fairly well though
damn, where was this channel 2 years ago when I was looking for a chair?
I would have bought the right chair right away instead of what I have now
I’m going to get both lol, GTRacing gaming chair, and Herman miller.
For me i dont think i have a choice but to get a gaming chair im 5'8 but im pretty broad shoulders so i hate ergonomic chairs since any ive tryed just ruin my back most cheap ones just don't have the length or depth
Thank you, a very needed video for those people going for those chairs just for the looks and the "gaming" mimmic.
Any proper reviews of the Thunder X3 Core anywhere? You know, from someone who knows what they're talking about.
By any chance what is the chair featured at 4:37 in the video
I believe he said the Brand Name was ( O-M - Yes ) not sure but the headrests looks similar to the one seen at 5:12
Can the tallest guy in your office recommend a chair for a someone 6'5" 240lb with neck and shoulder pain? I dont care for aggressive lumbar just good neck, shoulder, and elbow support. 4D armrest and at least 20 depth on the seat for sitting cross-legged. The most comfortable backrest I've used is on the Serta Hensley but the armrests are unusable and the seat raises my legs too much. Currently use it with the arms installed upside-down and a clamp on desk elbow rest arm but still find it hard to get comfortable aside from sitting cross legged and never feel like I have enough elbow support and get leg pain.
From your videos Im thinking the Fern no lumbar/headrest with an atlas headrest mod or the Mavix M9 to use with my Uplift Desk.
Advice would be greatly appreciated.
Chairs ive tried but didnt like.
Serta Hensley: great back bad arms unergonomic seat.
Steelcase Gesture: Seat too shallow.
Steelcase Leap Plus: Did not lime the back, it dug into my shoulders and found I missed a headrest.
Logitech Embody: Was not blown away, too small for me.
Herman Miller Aeron C: Did not like at all, overrated. Found the plastic on the seat and shoulder area hitting pressure points.
I'm 6'2 240 and constantly had back pain while sitting.
I got to Titan Evo 2, and I can now I can sit all day at my desk extremely comfortably with no back pain anymore.
In contrast to most of the commenters here I wanted a stiff back and something that could support my weight properly.
I love my Titan.
Interesting, I'm 6'4" 230 and I prefer a stiff and tall back rest. I've sat in the Herman Miller Aeron and while it was comfortable I also think it's overrated. Will probably buy the ThunderX3 Core soon.
My issue is that I just can't get comfortable in an "office" chair. I've had a $2k Herman Miller Embody. I hated it. The relatively hard thin back is uncomfortable. I need something more substantive behind me. Currently looking at the Evo and hoping it can give me the best of both worlds.
did you end up getting one? I am thinking the same thing
Get an Anda seat kasier
I have a gaming chair, I want to upgrade to a nice office chair but I have used the full back tilt once, I injured my back and having my chair tilted back up against my bed so I could lay in the chair with more support and ever so slightly tilled up with my feet in the bed was the only way I could get to sleep for a couple nights. very uncommon use case obviously but not sure how I would have gotten to sleep if I didn't have the chair
got the logitech embody gaming chair after watching your reviews for it and well , let's just say that i have 0 regrets , love it
How is it if you move around a lot like putting your feet on the chair or desk, or trying to recline a decent bit?
Nice! One of my favs for sure. -Ryan
@@GoombaNL it feels amazing . i weight 100 kg , 178 cm height .
so i am for sure on the heavy side , i mostly game and sit on the chair 8 hours minimum daily , it got rid of the back pain that the gaming chairs gave me , lumbar support is amazing , u can flex ur back as much as u want without fearing it would break, also i love cracking my back on it lmao . i mean .... it's just amazing
Couldn't agree more. I'm not a big guy but I have chronic back pain. My wife bought the Logitech/ Herman Miller embody for me as a 40th birthday gift. I'd say there was probably a two week period getting the chair adjusted to how I liked it, but after that it's easily been the best chair I've ever sat in. Getting out of that. Majorly reduces back and hip aches. Mighty pricey but so worth it for your back and hips
@@user-rr9ic3xb6z How long did you try it for? For my first 2 weeks, I was unsure I liked it at all for the same reason, but once I got the back adjusted right, I couldn't love it any more than I do now. For me, it was about 2 weeks to get it just right.
I bought a gaming chair a year ago and my back hurts using this. It's the secretlabs one. Considering switching. I also find the side handles really annoying personally, they're too big
all arguments sounds good but ld still dig the reclining feature
I've never really understood the hype of gaming chairs. The ones we have easily available here (considerably mid range for some people likely) look so stiff and like it could hurt my back. I started from a monobloc chair to an old office one my mom used before but the arm rests were too low for my desk. After 3 years, I got an ergonomic office chair for roughly 200usd and it is a game changer. The arm rests can pull up and its less stressful for my arms/hands to use the keyboard and mouse. The back offers lumbar support. It suits my 5'11 fat body. I can actually sit lotus style on the seat comfortably and the chair bears my weight so well, Im not scared that the pump would break and/or I fall off. Its beautifully in red and white and the back and seat are mesh material that fits tropical climates (or if youre a really sweaty person). Going 3 weeks with me and no regrets!
Putting here if anyone's interested, its the Sihoo M57. 200usd is like a months worth of salary for most people in my country so that's why it took me so long to decide. Its so comfy to work/game/read or just watch movies while sitting. :)
I also think it’s important to consider the platform.. You don’t need the same position on a console with controller.
I get stiff from sitting up with my feet down all the time. Playing on a 71” screen with a playstation, i was looking for a compact reclining chair with footrest, that i can easily put aside when i need the space. Gamingchair seemed a good choice. Are they really that bad?😅
You are better off with a normal recliner than a gaming chair if you game on a console
3:26 This would be ideal if there was a foot hammock under the desk for your feet to rest on
I once had a awful gaming chair that looked like a racing car seat. That chair was so uncomfortable (and it seriously hurt my back) I threw it away.
Now I sit on a sturdy kitchen chair, and oh boy! My hip & back pain is gone!!!
Agreed
what is that UNSC chair? looks sick. Is it from Fern? Hayworth Fern?
yes
That is the Haworth x Halo: Fern Gaming Chair - RG
bro, i need a chair with no arm rest because I compose music and I need my guitar. What would you recommend without breaking the bank?
Dining chair
Hello, not sure if u guys read comments but i'll try, im from EU, i really need a good "budget" chair that i can get to Norway! :D are u guys able to help ? like 300 ish budget i guess! thanks! (im a big guy)
You baited me haha.
I was really hoping to see the Destrier review in this video, but I guess I'll have to wait :(.
I'm staying tuned, even more hyped up than before ahah.
Sunday it drops -Greg
Right? Chairs been out for months and it has barely any reviews. Same with Razer Fujin (non pro) my
There haven't been many available to try. Seems like they limited how many were available to the general public. We buy almost all of the things we review so it took a while to track one down. I had to drive 3 hours to get it from the nearest Micro Center, when there was "1" actually available -Greg
I have a low table with pillow on top to rest my feet up when I recline back so that the feet are not hanging off the chair
Which chair is the one at 4:21 in the video?
Colamy Ergonomic chair. -Ryan
Appears to be the Colamy brand found on Amazon
Nailed it. Great video. I'll be sending this to all my secret lab fanboy friends
You know why they're fanboys? Because the seats are comfy.
@@Hermitmaster Nope
@@campitcher8507 I guess it's a preference thing. I love mine, but it takes a few days to get used to the firmness compared to 'normal' soft chairs. 4ish years in and I still haven't managed to destroy it yet.
@@Hermitmaster I mean that's fine if you love it. That's your preference. There's also a huge cost difference between a secret lab and a herman miller. Not everyone wants to fork out $1500+ for a chair, that's pretty crazy.
But I think if you're talking about the actual "ergonomics" of sitting, secret lab doesn't fall into that category. Yes, the seat cousins are well padded, the product is study and well built.
But they force your shoulder's forward instead of back, they don't have proper lumbar support, there's zero flexibility, the neutral posture is wrong, etc.
When I was 20ish years old, I had a racing style seat and was fine with it. But as you get older, you really start to feel the difference.
review the Anthros
There is a reason all the top streamers that actually make money, have German miller, or steelcase etc
Anyone know the chair from the thumbnail?
Asus Rog Destrier and Haworth Fern. -Ryan
The way I see it, a gaming chair isn't really the same product as an office chair. Its basically just a recliner with wheels. if you aren't heavily tilted back it wont be comfortable. Now, I like to tilt back specifically with my feet propped up on a pillow ottoman about and its truly great like that in my secret lab omega but for sitting upright I managed to snag a used steelcase leap v2 and that's a lot better for tasking or really dialed in mouse inputs for gaming.
Definitely agree that those side bolsters on the seat need to go though. Maybe if you actually want to make a racing sim setup they could make sense for authenticity but then that's a whole different use-case and mounted different.
Gaming chairs are terrible for reclining, the expensive one I you couldn't use the computer practically while using it and the cheap chair well I felt like the whole chair was gonna tip back.
@@blakearius i'm speaking from my own personal experience and you're speaking from yours. the way **I** am using it, it feels practical and quite comfortable.
Its especially nice when i am using a controller for certain games, i don't need to reach for a keyboard and i can fully tilt back.
I additionally have an adjustable keyboard tray to extend the depth of my desk for when i am reclining like that and still need my keyboard.
@@jvwMUSIC My $500 the seat wore through, replaced with a mates $50 gaming chair.. recently finally got a leap V2 for $700. It's pure heaven compared to those chairs, my moderate back pain I got from working on art projects for 3 weeks is gone. in retrospect I feel like the biggest problem is how the gaming chairs box in your shoulders.
@@blakearius oh yeah if you're doing any drawing a gaming chair would be absolutely terrible.
I don’t know how this concept of a seat meant to cradle people in a moving vehicle somehow became a thing to sell people sitting at home.
Targeted marketing
It's because gaming chairs were first designed for racing sims. That's why the first gaming chair companies have names like DxRacer and NeedforSeat. It was just meant to imitate the driving experience to make it more immersive. The look took off, so they just went with it as the default design for any type of gaming chair. -Ryan
They're also designed so the driver can sit in them for hours on end without issues. So they're actually very comfortable if they fit your body shape and you don't have to move much.
@@btodtvor maybe the gaming isnt office work and having rigid frame that holds position is desired ...
when gaming i dont need to reach for a copier, phone on the desk write a note or sign a piece of paper ... what i want is to find a position and then spend 10+ hours in that same position without suffering any fatigue from the chair.
which means rigid solid chair that DOES NOT FLEX ... exactlyu the same thing as racing seats in cars that are designed to keep drivers comfortable for hours on end even in moving vehicle that goes over bumps on the road.
and if someone has issues with side "railing" on a gaming chair it just means they chose wrong size of one, just get one with wider body.
I clicked on your latest video just to ask you to review the asus rog chair, but it's already in the video, lol
Review coming out in a couple days! - RG
Yup. Herman Miller AERON for the past 20 years. Still The Best.
heartbreaking im having to give this herman miller embody back to my cousin
I've always hated Gaming chairs because idiots across the board drop so much money on them so they can appear cool, it's like the Gucci Gang equivalent in computing, same with wireless headsets. I've needed a new headset and chair for a while now and have been looking at executive chairs and even they have gone up over just the last few years to stupid levels, about 100% price disparity. Yeah the pandemic and the greedflation that we are seeing in this late stage cpaitalism are big factors but so are the plonkers dropping good money on crappy products.
Everything you said about them is spot on and the majority of people buying these are complete muppets.
just one thing I miss from my old gaming chair is the really deep recline - use case of watching a football game, I want to just lean back as in a sofa which a good (secretlab) gaming chair allows. The Embody just doesn't recline as deep and due to no headrest is not really that great at being able to deep recline while watching something.
Even if I do have a gaming chair I still want the logitech x herman miller chair
I've not been able to make office chairs work, perhaps due to my height? Gaming chairs just seem more comfortable (at least for me), and I like the feeling of being held in place like in a car. I seem to be able to sit in car seats (bucket, not rear bench) for long periods without discomfort too. That being said maybe I haven't tried an expensive enough office chair to give them a fair shot?
If you read this BTODtv, what are your thoughts?
Off topic but I was watching The Fall of the House of Usher (great show by the way) and the dad had an Eames lounge chair but as an office chair and I spent an inordinate amount of time last night searching for that chair before finally realizing that it didn't exist in that form or does it? That would be an amazing office chair, I wonder how hard it would be to convert one?
It doesn't, the closest option is probably the Lobby Chair ES 104.
@@Renzsu It was the lounge chair but converted to an office chair and now I must have it. I don't know why they don't make one like that? I want mine in green with palisander wood.
@@venom5809 Probably because the seat would be too deep for an ergonomic posture. It would be worth an attempt to make it yourself with a frame and a knockoff lounge chair.
@@Renzsu I feel like they just put wheels on it which seems doable.
the problem for me is availability, gaming chair is more available than good office chair, if there is any there is an insane mark up price for it.
One sad thing about the Big 3 office chair companies is: 2/3 of them have limited customizability options when it comes to their international online stores.
Haworth e.g.: in their own international online store, you can only buy the Fern in black without the extra lumbar support. There are no color options nor can you add the lumbar support.
Similar story with Steelcase. E.g. the Amia in their german online store available in 9 quickship colors, you can't choose the fabric or frame color.
Of the Big 3 only Herman Miller let's us germans choose what americans can choose.
Oh, and I forgot: as far as I know, at least Haworth build the chairs for europe in europe. They don't ship built chairs over the pond.
Yeah, Herman Miller seems to be the only big furniture brand that has some kind of presence outside of North America.
In the UK, they have a great availability of chairs, with great levels of customisation.
Both Haworth and Steelcase don't have the same level of attention outside of North America.
There are now 5 color options for the fern in the international shop. They are not very good tbh
Yeah I feel like a complete idiot for sitting in a cheap $150 Amazon "gaming" chair for over 2 years. I'm buying Herman Miller gaming embody when it goes on sale next month
Totally different story for countries without all your trusted brands. Even when you can buy HM for inflated price (for a price of a good gaming chair I can only buy HM's stacking chair), usually you still can't test it out. Gaming chairs are much easier to get and feel befory buying. As for generic office chairs - you are usually getting plastic lumbar support that cuts into your back. I'm not telling you gaming chairs are better, but you can buy their expensive models everywhere people game, and depending on a model those can be better than office counterparts, at least in 2024.
Honestly at this point you should know better that almost anything advertised as "gamer tech" is going to be garbage more like than not. They take something crappy, give it some god awful looking appearance and mark up the price to a ridiculous level and it breaks in six months to a year.
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i do miss a slight recline from gaming chair and some rocking function but that's about it. Us Gamers are built lil different.
I wonder though, what would your opinion be on IKEA's gaming chair, the Matchspel?
F Tier. -Ryan
I've had a gaming char for 5 year now, and I'm sick off it, it is hard and gets really uncomftreble when it is hot outside because it doesn't breath
almost none of the chairs are available in my country :((( except of course 1700 dollar herman miller which is flat out insane, id rather sit on the ground than pay that...
I think I did permanent damage to my spine by using a cheap "racing chair" for several years. I bought a Dexley from Staples (which I saw a lot of praise for in that price range) a few years ago and it's been much better. When I get more money I'll probably look into something better. Love the videos guys. Very underrated channel
Weird cause that exact staples chair has caused me so much back pain the past year and a half I've had it that I'm considering getting a Secretlabs or Anda Seat...
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The problem with office chairs is I can't ever find one that reclines back like a gaming chair does. I like to sit reclined back and office chairs sitting straight up is so uncomfortable to me
Ergonomic chairs can recline.
I have to design and engineer my own chair because most chairs don't work well for tall people like me. I'm 6'6".
I find it odd that they choose the cheaper/less comfy for long sessions office chairs when gaming chairs can easily exceed $500. At that price you can get a good EXECUTIVE office chair that is very well padded and will last much longer than any gaming chair. It's just weird that every yt chamnel trying to compare them always goes to the bare ass wore mesh chairs rather than the executive vhaors you often see in professional settings and in movies. It's like they are trying hard to make the gamer chairs look like a good value until you see even a half decent executive office chair makes them look cheap.
I know it's a stock photo but 3:58 this dude put his shoes on his pillow, I thought americans were always weird to lie in bed fully dressed / wearing shoes; but shoes on the pillow side is pushing it one step further into lunacy
by the time a different color (white) comes out ill have saved enough money to afford one,
I'm not sure if I'm the female streamer that likes to sit in chairs but I like to sit lotus on my chairs and be held by my chairs at lots of different angles sitting in weird ways a gaming chair seems better for that
Herman miller has a new asari chair and I have no clue why it's within the embody price range. It looks so much more basic it can't be good enough to be around that price
Yeah that definitely seems like you're paying for the brand name, but we've never tried it so we can't be 100% sure on it until we do -Greg
@btodtv yeah it looks comfortable to a certain degree but not 2000 dollars comfortable. Looks more like a 400 dollar ikea chair but like you said don't knock it until you try it could be their best chair yet for all we know
@btodtv Are you guys planning on trying it out?
I would love to see your thoughts about it since that chair is the most unfamiliar Herman Miller chair I've ever seen.
4:35 That's just a bold lie, a cheap gaming chair is $100 or lower, ergo chairs are 200 minimum.
You can find ergo chairs for very low prices just like gaming chairs. Our typical go to pick is the Ticova which sells quite often for $119.99. -Ryan
but yet Herman Miller has gaming chairs
I want a office chair, but I can make them stink real fast.... by flooding them with some hot stinking air.
both kind looks very flimsy and i'm reluctant to entrust my whole spine to it.
I just want an office chair that doesnt hurt my butt after 30 min.
Ok but im 6,4 140kg and just destroy these light ergonomic chairs.
Miller chairs are also 4x more expensive than the premium dxracer chairs how is that a fair comparrison?
I'm not sure we can say "premium" and "dxracer" in the same sentence -Greg
@@btodtvI meant the premium versions of the DXRacer line. The Master for example. All you do is comparing something affordable to something extreme. It's like saying that a Volvo won't run as good as a jaguar. Like... Doh.
@Ejziponken1 There is no premium version in the DxRacer line. Their best chair is maybe a C teir chair at best. The problem with complaints like yours is that you ignore the information in the video that makes your point invalid and instead focus on something that was never part of the video. I provided several alternatives at various price points to show that you can get a better ergonomic chair than a gaming chair at any price. You chose to ignore all of that and instead turn it into "You are comparing a $2,000 chair to a $500 chair." Even Herman Miller makes chairs in the same price range as that terrible DxRacer Master, but again, you are ignoring that to push your argument. -Ryan
Yeah we know you're essentially a Herman Miller marketing rep lmfao@@btodtv
Cool but find me a chair that fits me I’m 6 ‘3
Both chairs and sitting all day is bad for you, at least do it in style
So he makes a video comparing high-end office chairs to the lowest and eBay $89 garbage gaming chairs so you can make his point not mentioning the high end and chairs which is so-called office chairs offer and more
The most expensive chairs shown in this video are gaming chairs. One of the least expensive chairs shown in this video is an office chair. -Ryan
Isn't the very distinction simply a marketing fabrication to make office chairs cool for teenage boys? And obviously, since teenage boys are the customers, you can relax the attention to quality. I doubt that there's anything more to it than that.