The most 😲 bits of Vivian and Pritam's exchange on TraceTogether in under 15 mins
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ก.พ. 2021
- Here are the highlights from Vivian Balakrishnan's final wrap-up speech in Parliament about the Covid-19 (Temporary Measures) (Amendment) Bill and exchange with Leader of the Opposition Pritam Singh. Or basically, the ~juicy~ parts.
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Vivian: 🙏🙏🙏
This looks so civil now. On the other hand, look what the PAP is doing to the opposition when their junior MP, who told a lie and had since apologised and resigned, which does not affect the government and the country in any way. What a shame.
Agreed with you
The shame is on you if you can’t differentiate between the gravity of the lie from Khan to what Balakrishnan is doing for safety and well-being for all. So what even if CPC can assess the tracetogether , if you are not a criminal, what do you have to fear? If you’re going to geylang at night and didn’t want your wife to know, then don’t turn on your tracer. There’s a Chinese saying, if you didn’t do anything wrong, there’s nothing to fear. If I were Vivian, I won’t even bother to apologise, just tell it straight to parliament that there’s nothing wrong with police using the tracer to trace criminals, finally even PS agreed with him.
@@bell-xk5dd infringement of privacy is infringement of privacy. No way around it.
@@poinked
Then you should stay away from TH-cam, stop using WiFi, don’t ever use a handphone, go and live inside a cave...there’s no such thing as privacy once you are hooked on WiFi ...duh
@@bell-xk5dd so defensive, I don't see the COP interview the senior pap members on why the lie/falsehood/incorrect statement. Not saying what WP done is correct or vice versa, but definitely able to see the partisanship.
Transparency is better than cover up. Well ..having sleepless nites is part of the responsibility and cost of high office. Good that we have govt and opposition working together.
This is NOT TRANSPARENCY at play.
They got CAUGHT with their pants 🩲 down around their ankles...
Thus this overkill...
First wastage of Taxpayers.
We are a small city 🌃 state with our IC n Foreign Passes...it will be more than enough...
This is not Australia 🇦🇺 outbacks.
This guy is famous for busting the Government Budget.
Most time it is NEVER THAT USEFUL 😂
His words not mine 😂😂😂
These leaders in Government have got their way far too long without any Accountability n Responsibility.
This is NEVER about the Police Force...
They will do their work based on your instructions.
Ownself Check Ownself
Ownself Praise Ownself
So Where is Accountability ?
Still got Same Cushy job n Same Ridiculous High salary.
Just come out n tell some story; Easy
While many lost their income during Covid , there is a sector immune to loss of prosperity. The sheeples have spoken
A Gov who is willing to admit their mistakes and not blaming it on others. An Opposition Leader who is not taking this opportunity to bombard on the Gov's oversight. We should be glad we've such good people to lead us in this Country.
bestest comment
Yes. Exactly 👍🏼
Ownself Check Ownself
Ownself Praise Ownself
So Where is Accountability ?
Still got Same Cushy job n Same Ridiculous High salary.
Just come out n tell some story; Easy
Somemore still has the cheek to smile and makes funny face expressions and not serious...
That is the political game isn't it...be it the PAP or WP is the ruling party of Singapore...
Thats why we need more opposition. At least now i can see traces of transparency
PAP is the king of Singapore in politics. Don't ask me about Singaporean politics because I'm not Singaporean
Would he have to do the same if Parliament has zero opposition? Hope some singaporeans grow some brains
@@arrowstheorem1881 if one day, 2 partied fight constantly in parliament for their power greed, I will leave Singapore immediately. I want a efficient government with or without opposition. If the government can work better with a sensible opposition party, I will go for it. I don't need more opposition for the sake of having a 2 party system.
@@benbentan4005 Then the better way is not leave it to chance .inds like yours should petition for abolishing of democracy and elections from Singapore constitution right? Why leave to chance hoping for a kuai kuai son-in-law type of opposition? Think long term. Or you are just myopic? Come out and say it . You want Autocracy or dictatorship right?
@@arrowstheorem1881 zero opposition means a dictatorship, monarchy or communist-style government.
If only parliamentarians in Malaysia could engage in such thought provoking and meaningful debates.
Not in our lifetime.
One must have to be civilized to behave in this manner.
Actually in Malaysia we does only if you follow carefully the sitting. Unfortunately our media only interested in fighting among the MPs. Thus what we see on media is special highlight but if you follow through the sitting you will k is that our parliament for the majority of time debate rationally
@@julianho6791 exactly, even the current parliamentary is very calm to hear u can even sleep while listening hahaha
Eh Samseng..farkkk you
Seriously, having a leader who are willing to admit their mistakes and subsequently suggest and enforce the correction actions; and an opposition that supports this initiative, is a government & oppostiion a country can only dream of having. God, I am so envious of the Singapore's government and Opposition, who put the needs and concerns of their people first and have their steel to take tough measures for the betterment of the country.
willing to admit their mistakes? what a joke. it's just damage control
Pap is bullshit
As a Malaysian watching this, 🙂
Also as a Malaysian watching this in our country 🥲
DPM Heng has been a police officer
Can we hear his SPF plan?
yes i was a police officer when Mr Heng was a Commander for Jurong Police Division, maybe he has solid suggestions to out it forward, this token is the reason why pdpa was created, right, token is totally personal stuff, why cant police just uses witness or cctv's because it is correct and appropriate way in handling criminal cases especially serious criminial case, the token doesnt help much, e info can be inaccurate too as ppl wanders all around..and token can be easily abused.
He does have a SG East Coast Together plan; will that work ?
Pritam and Vivian should have a party of their own! I love them both!
Minister Vivian fair n excellent speech spoken clearly n objectively
None of us are perfect, not even the best amongst us. The important thing is the intention. He made a mistake, owned up, took responsibility, apologized, and corrected it. Let’s move on. After all, contact tracing is for the greater good.
mistake? we pay them not to make mistakes. (if we make mistakes , that big how?)
also I am sure with all those in palriament, they knew what they were doing. Bottom line is they didnt expect such opposition to the bill... until Pritam spokeup. ! Like Pritam said the police have more than enough resources at their disposal to do their job. !
Thank you for your reply.
Your point is that they are not entitled to make mistakes, and my point is that everyone make mistakes at one time or another, whether highly paid or not.
I respect your view.
@@jessiejames7492 I worry about you. Every one makes mistakes. You don't make mistakes at work?
Wow so learned and magnanimous, but only to PAP, when opp made mistakes, the same kindness is not seen , they will be fixed.
@@jackyu688 for example?
A committee of privilege should be set up on why MP Vivien Balakrisnan misled and lied that the Traced Together was confidential “to all” when it isn’t since the Police could just simply request for it!
In sg, one is Innocent until proven to have been Guilty of wrong
None of us is perfect, everyone makes mistakes. Stay safe Singaporeans!
We expect them to be perfect when they are drawing so much salary. U understand ? u wana sit on the kitchen stove then make sure u can handle the heat.
Really, when WP made mistakes, they were persecuted and sued?
Reeks of 🐃💩
Including Raesah Khan?
Vivian is a master at posturing - he made it really difficult for WP to drive their point without seeming like they were against the values he was putting up for show
But in the end, only the people behind the scenes know the truth - all I can do is try to trust.
All I hear is honestly and acting for the heart of the people. A mistake, more to a oversight due to the enthusiasm and urgency to get things in place to battle the crisis can surely be understandable.
GREAT MAN will apoligise for any mistake made. Always remain. humble..Look around some nations Losers in elections become liars and
and shout Massive election frauds!
Leaders behave like kids who have lost their marbles and cry! No wonder there are protest marches !
GEMS ARE FEW; FAKE STONES ARE MANY SINGAPORE IS GREAT; WELL- MANAGED. A SHINING BEACON FOR THE WORLD!
Let's just say I'm here for the tea
It's ok to make mistakes & admit & make good & move on.
The PAP gets praises & "glory" when this happen & the Opposition gets demonised...
Thanks and great appreciation to all the present government MPs regardless !
Good that the Opposition seeks clarification in the proper platform. Frankly, looking at the outcome of the state of freedom in the West, and being one without dubious intention against my Country and society, I have no issues. It is essential now and in the forseeable future. Makes our society safer . I am not prepared to sacrifice my safety so that so that others may scheme against my society in the Name of Freedom .
In SG , everyone is treated equally. Ya.
hahahahahaha
Those who hv bn following vivian bala thru his career as minister (youth,Social&sports, environmt, foreign affrs), know tht he is a good talker, PR man. But hadnt really made significant contributions.
Thought he is our Minister for Foreign Affairs? He sets the requirements for TraceTogether App? ?
Want to use the data, just say so.
The problem is not about who can use the data, rather it's about the blatant lie.
If trace together is for covid-19 then it's a temporary measure, if it's to help to solve crimes it a permanent measure. So is TT temporary or permanent?
Permanent do you think we will only have covid-19 there is bound to have a next pandemic. It will be incredibly short sighted for the government to just think covid-19 is a one time event when look back at history of pandemics SARs,mers,zika,h5n3 etc. etc.
Therefore the bill is passed so that they can expand the limits in future.
Who would carry a tt to a crime? Come on man.
Fine and kudos to Vivian but what about the relevant minister that must have know about this since day one. Why they kept quiet?
The main purpose is for COVID-19 only, those got intention then have to worried. Thanks Mr Vivian Sir.
How is he a leader when he don't know the law of the land? When a citizen break a law they can't say they do not know it was illegal. Now we have a leader who say this particular law didn't cross his mind.
Fully convinced by Vivian’s explanations on trace together. Any new technology when invented to deal with urgent important issues will not, by default, automatically meet all standing law criteria’s. In practice If there is any opportunity to patch it just do it, like our handphone operation systems. Purposely find fault does not make sense and is not constructive.
Then why need to lie?🤣🤣🤣
To some people like Jack Yu, no matter how transparent is the government they will always say LIE. In fact it is such people who are always lying. Here is another example.
@@user-mg6eh3lb8w I think u are right, , I think he is not wrong afterall. Actually, I also had a quite similar experience last month. I went to supermarket with my friends (one policeman and one lawyer). I took a box of Maggie noodles and walked out without paying (my friends somehow didn’t tell me its wrong). I was stopped by the security guard and brought to the office. He asked me why I stole the noodles and asked me for my particulars. However, I said I didn’t steal anything, but I deeply regret for the mistake, anguish and inconvenience caused. I would take full responsibility for this. I told him the noodles are not meant for me, it is for my neighbour’s kids who had no money to eat. It iwas to save lives, I said pls look at the bigger picture and I had nothing to hide. It would be untenable for me not to take the noodles to give the hungry kids. The guard agreed and let me go. And for the next 4 weeks, my family ate Maggie goreng everyday for breakfast.
Nice sir for time and and brace up to explain. For investigation purpose, Im totally for it. To be aware of yourself being tracked, very much subjected to your own discretion.
He said he was blindsided.
He said he did not read section 20 of the cpc.
Will he donate his last month salary to charity then?
FAT HOPE LOR
@@chanserena1430 Has the people money already spent on giving them year end bonus if any?
if everyone have to donate with every mistake they make at work... charity will be the richest
Then do not punish the ordinary folks who make mistakes in their jobs because everyone makes mistakes.
Donate to your bank account? You wish
Aiyah, no need to explain so much. Just say sorry and carry on. Majority of Singaporeans have no problem with this, so long as it make all of us safe.
Absolutely...opposition trying to find bones in egg here. If I were Balakrishnan, I won’t even apologise, just tell it straight in parliament, that tracetogether is for the greater good of the people, police included if it helps.
This guy VB is consistently cocking up since youth Olympics, perhaps even earlier.
The tt will be around permanently.believe me
Yea its permanently sitting in the cupboard at home.
Cant fool all of the people all the time. 👍
💯💯💯🤣🤣
What happened to the stadium issue.
Cost went through the roof.
Substandard work.
Any inquiry into it.?
This is our money.
The trace together token is a waste of money.
My second one didnt work within a month !!!
WP💯💯💯💯💯
I stopped watching after 2 mins due to VB’s pace of speaking. I bored to sleep and probably that was a good strategy to stop the opposition from opposing.
I think you might have a short attention span lol
To digress a little, I feel that this pandemic has given many institutions a convenient excuse to make life easy for themselves, e.g. preschools stopping showers for the kids, parks closing off play areas, malls leaving only one entrance open, etc. etc. I can understand having these measures around last year when community spread was still a threat, but now still? Come on guys
The lockdowns are just an excuse. Actually since 1990s, most economies worldwide are running via debt financing and as of 2020, it became simply impossible to continue adding new debts to finance the old.
So they just gave a pandemic as a backdrop to let economies crash so that folks don't rebel en masse.
The generation from 1950-1980 ate up ALL their resources AND also ate up resources for at least 2 generation's via extensive austentatious displays of wealth and by excessive speculation driving up costs like mad for youth.
The Singaporeans of the 1920s that built Singapore and the Singaporeans that were born in the 50s and took over in 80s, 90s etc are TOTALLY 2 different breeds of species.
Lockdowns happened to hide the fact new debt can't finance old debt no more.
What school he’s from. Must be lousy school
“…. we all are agree……”
And repeating it again
🥂
Was there an enquiry by committee of privileges as to why vivi kept quiet for so long?
We will always have issues if all parties do not have a trusted behavior towards each other. Until we have a leadership who can look into the real well bring of the country then singapore will move forward. I’m sure he/she is out there … somewhere.
A lawmaker who's not aware or ignorant of provisions in the law should not continue or be allowed to continue as a lawmaker....
A good command of English
No blame culture please.. Bala deh, 1 kosong and 1 egg prata.. more fish curry and 1 teh tarik since u can tarik so well sia
This Vivian has put himself to shame in the international world for such casting hurtful words to the NMP claiming others are illiterate at such a important and tough period of pandemic! Every Singaporean is struggling and yet he has the time to say such things during a session intent to discuss matters that meant alot to every Singaporean citizens. Looks like only their life is good and no worries?
His daughter a lawyer or not? Bala say he not a lawyer. I not saying he used that as excuse lah. If his daughter a lawyer then why not let her vet for him before he give a speech next time? Is he mentor of anyone's son?
Don't go down this slippery slope. This one ask daughter, the next one will ask the wife to run the country.....erm, maybe it's already happening?
He is part of the people who designed TT? Did I hear that wrongly? Yet he din know who can access the data?
I think he forgot his colleagues and the spf do not share his ideas
Reeks of 🐃💩
We need to protect the identities of the people who break the laws.
Won't criminals just abuse the system and create alibi's through TT? Some critical thinking please.
Its possible for the person to be here, the token there.
Thats why we have detectives
@@tskuan32 What I mean is because it can be manipulated or just turned off, makes it an unreliable source and given that there is no location data, it would be hard to refute it. I could hide my registered phone in a public location and it is going to register with a few hundred strangers. and if that clears a suspect on the onset, it would slow the investigation. I think assuming ppl who commit high crimes don't read the news is a mistake. You might think it would help the police, but it just might help the criminals equally as well. You might catch the dumb ones but you would help the smart ones roam even more freely. That's my opinion anyway.
@@justintimeleave1360 Your thought process is garbled and convoluted. Among the many assumptions you have, you assume detectives are dumb. A simple way of thinking about this, instead of your "critical" thinking, is that ONE MORE tool is better than NONE. Nobody is asking the police to rely on just the TT token. Also, I believe our detectives can think much more clearly than you assume.
@@tskuan32 unfortunately, it is not about the intelligence of the detectives but just what the data itself is able to capture. The tool you are speaking of is going to expire after covid regardless. so even if the police depends on it now, Is the govt going to continue increased surveillance on Singaporeans? This short term thinking makes no sense. It either short sightedness or a massive infringement on privacy rights. Regardless the damage on citizen trust has already been done.
His MP colleagues got tell him Salah or not ?
Probably nought .
So TLDR this guy goofed up, and his colleagues only told him about it later, and the opposition was a bit miffed, but understanding
exactly. and compare and contrast it to the mudslinging PAP is doing to WP currently.
disgusting...
actually for police cases, need token owner's permission, and not police permission..that is fair, police has no right to use data from token..but needs token owner permissions, not because of encrpyption whatsoever.
If the Law empower the police to do so, then they are allowed to access this data. After all, PDPA also part of the legislation. If they are not, they would need to have the permission from the owner like you said. An example would be installing CCTVs at the neighborhood, but of course, it is lesser 'private' information if you compare CCTV vs TT.
What TT. We been force to use it. Covid once over. Just remove the app forever.
Covid may not be over until 2022 or even years after. The govt is going to have a free hand until then.
liar liar pants on fire
VIVIAN LOOKS 75 WITH HIS WHITE HAIR AND HUGE EYEBAGS.
He is still handsome
I skipped 6mins and 40s because when Dr V said encrypted and he know its means personal data will be encrypted.. from who? Fb and all social media apps and platform told us the same.. BUT.. who knows? At certain info will still be given to the agencies upon request
One thing I don’t understand.
First he said decentralised design.
After that he try to explain why they know 58% of users turned on their app once a day ... because it queries a centralised database with all your safe entry check ins.
Wait. I thought he said it is decentralised?
I think the gov need to open source the source code and designs for people to study.
The best way to be a DICTATOR is to create the actors and the actresses acting like a govt. and the opposition representatives and held a the general election every 5-6 years so that the people will believe that their country has a democracy. Thank me later.
What TT? I will turn off my Bluetooth immediately after checking in. I most certainly want to avoid being an innocent suspect. That would cause me unnecessary stress and a waste of my time! And what if the IO pass Covid-19 to me?? Anyway, Bala is a promise breaker trying to legitimise his broken word!
No coordination?
Privacy is an important matter. Did he make a formal apology at any point to the Singapore Public?
Are you sure Vivian not lying about TT?
I strongly feel that he need not say I am SORRY. Nor face punishment.
Why? Cos his past good job done should waive him of having to make an apology. I mean is it in our National Interest if a whiter than white apologises? The brand would be affected! So let's ignore his mistake. He should be allowed to make mistakes. Others I not sure.
Based on justice and equality so as to achieve .
U did say u never had sleepless nites
Go and get vaccinated
Why is this video trending again after the COP's recent grilling of the LO? Hmm...
So Vivian is a name for men as well huh? I learned something new today.
When a liar told the truth...the others ask him to tell another lie to cover up the truth with another lie...lol
Sg dont have the tech talent to mantain safe data guard. How many times gov sites were hacked/stuff leaked. Talk kok sing song 61% clap. Lmao
Catch any foreign government hackers ? Post online all the foreign government spies informations in which counties they are spying.
@@stayprepared2388
There is a level of naïveté in your comment.
The VERY FACT these leaders have brought in Foreign Technology these last 15 years means that Foreign Powers will have excess to our data...
Their focus have NEVER BEEN the development of Domestic Markets cos that doesn’t give them the FAST GROWTH numbers in GDP that determines their paycheck 😉
Plus with Globalisation n the influx of Foreigners into our country expose us to breach of data on the Black Market.
How do you think there were so much phone scams here n the privacy act with our mobile info.
The breaches of our Health data...was brushed aside.
Their reason ~ only PM data is important.
Just think about that??? Don’t you...
Everyone data is important NOT JUST LEADERS IN OFFICE 🙄🙄🙄
"I believe that all of us know that we are facing a global life & death situation"!?!? Really Vivian?! And nobody is talking about the flu any more?
u having menses ? cus its more or less under controlled. We did our best as a responsible country already.
@@Kevin-iw4sd flu under control? Hahaha...then it is certainly a great coincidence that in many countries in the west where the year end flu kills tens of thousands of people every year has strangely under control too!? Quite a miracle bcos flu disappeared altogether last year 🤔
No one knows what the app can do
Spy on you
Sorry Vivian. Taking extreme measures to contain the spread of covid19 in S'pore given the low infection & fatality rates is over the top. We were not wearing masks until mid or late April 2020. The tens of thousands infection in clusters were also in the foreign workers' dormitories, and an old folks' home. The reality & the measure do not add up.
Democracy in action.....
I find Dr Vivian Balakrishnan has been very truthful and honest in his explanation. The government wants everybody in Singapore to be safe and tried ways and means to protect us. No one is perfect. Is not easy to be in his position nor the government's position. We have to be very grateful and thankful to be living in Singapore. Let's move on and work together to stay safe. Thumbs up for Dr Vivian for his truthfulness and transparency.
How convenient it is to say it doesn’t cross your mind….. taking responsibility? Don’t see any…. Weather u slp or don’t slp at night can’t see… puiiii…
No comment government is always RIGHT
Let's not focus on his mistakes. His heart is in the right place. People of his stature if speak wrongly should not be held accountable in terms of punishment. Sg is a meritocracy. Come on guys. Let's give him a break. We should even up his salary for his honesty
i have no issues with the contact tracing cos i have no intention to commit any crimes, only people has something to hide will be afraid of contact tracing
yea, but there should be more safeguards. imagine if pap loses power and some less benevolent parties took over.
Clueless it’s meant for the purpose of contact tracing on Covid19. Not anything else. More than that it’s invasion of privacy.
@@tskuan32 agree, looking at the other party, I never have faith they are trustworthy at all.
@@maimoonsheriff7835 with such a large population I don’t think anyone would be so free to go look into details where each person goes.
Should not waste time debating this
Dr Vivian Balakrishnan's English is impeccable!!!!
Normal only lei relax
@Martin Lee .😂
Yes we all are agree.
SO MANY MISTAKES AND YET NOT GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO STEP DOWN. LOOK YOU ARE NOT CHEAP TO PAY AS NONE OF YOU ARE LIKE PRES TRUMP THAT TAKES $1 AS PAY. RESIGN PLEASE
DOnt see any isue. If tracetogether app can be use to stop thief and use by police for law enforcement, that is even better. one stone kill two bird
Looks like we can trust this guy huh? In terms of whiter than white
What he mean by "full responsibility" does is mean life goes on with his nonsense. If he don't resign, mean he took no responsibility.
FULL OF SHIT.. ONLY apologise SHOULD BE MORE THAN THAT!
CUT HIS PAY FOR CHARITY
Lol
Ownself Check Ownself
Ownself Praise Ownself
So Where is Accountability ?
Still got Same Cushy job n Same Ridiculous High salary.
Just come out n tell some story; Easy
Appreciation is whatever gone wrong, he is still around telling us the wrong thing.
Sleepless night ? Ya right
Why your english..everyone are agree?to dealing...whixh school Vivian? Cannot be Raffles
Boring
End of the day... You are a snake... Lots of twist and turns
New Prata shop opens during COVID-19
Move on already
Frankly talking snake oil as usual.
Singapore should nominate Vivian Bala for the post of General Secretary of UN !.
frankly, if its for lawful, meaningful tracing of serious crimes, why not? although, there's still a risk of misappropriation by the tech companies holding the data.