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How Dumbledore REALLY Planned Harry's Death | Harry Potter Theory
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.ค. 2018
- Today J dives into the Wizarding World of Harry Potter to try and figure out why Dumbledore left Harry, Ron and Hermione the Tales of Beedle the Bard, the Snitch and the Deluminator and how they all tie into the mysterious phrase: I Open At The Close.
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SuperCarlinBrothers in chamber of secrets, Harry was impaled with a basilisk fang, wouldn't that have destroyed the bit of Voldemort's soul that existed in him?
Deluminator or put-outer? as I recently learned that it was called in tje first book...
Just watched it! Poor J.
Your the best
SuperCarlinBrothers you should do a video on your ranking of the official disney princess movies !?!
Do you think that sometimes JK watches videos like these and just goes "Oh yeah that makes so much more sense I *definitely* meant that."
Oh yes. I know because I have written stuff (far dumber stuff) and my friends are like, "Oh so you meant for this to happen right? That's so cool." and I am like, "Yes, I had that all planned in advance...."
What if she saw your comment and answered!?!?
She has shut then down before. I cant remember what theory it was. I'm thinking it was that Dumbledore had a horcrux
Yeah, the one she's shot down before was Dumbledore's horcrux (which i still think they make a convincing argument for, honestly). Think she also claimed the Draco werewolf one to not be true too, actually, which is a shame because that's also a really nice theory.
I would've been such an honour to be noticed by the Queen of the wizarding world. Even if she was telling you your theory was wrong.
Snape always meant to let Harry know but had to wait until Nagini was being protected. He asked Voldemort more than once to let him find the boy himself and bring him to Voldy to no avail. His relief at Harry finding him as he lay dying must have been deep. Along with the added comfort of looking into Lily’s eyes as he left.......
I was just going to mention this that snape was constantly asking voldemort to let him go to Harry..which means that he has to be the one to say that to harry or else he should have known that Harry already knew it.
Kim Casper I was really crying when I read the book so I hated when Snape died because I was still upset that that Fred died then Tonks and Lupin died I started to cry harder
I feel so bad for Snape and his situation with Lily
Kim Casper yes but now I’m sad because it is so true but also sad
Snape even sighs in relief after he gives up his memories!
What Dumbledore wrote in his bequest of the deluminator to Ron is “In hopes that he will think of me when he uses it.” This seems to support the idea of Ron taking the trio to Dumbledore’s grave to retrieve the wand and that the deluminator would transport them to Hogwarts even though no one can apparate into Hogwarts. Just food for thought...
This needs more likes so they can see this
Wasn't Dumbledore already buried at Hogwarts though?
Tom Skywalker thats why the deluminator is transporting them to Dumbledore’s grave at Hogwarts. they cant apparate into Hogwarts, but who says the deluminator cant teleport them?
I always thought it acted as a portkey. I think I read that in the book, but I am unsure.
@@SMT_Pnut who's to say the deluminator can't teleport them?
When ever you say Voldemort the subtitles say Baldimort, which I guess isn't wrong.
dranflame _123 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 that’s amazing
dranflame _123 I fell out of my chair 🤣😂
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I'm getting Baltimore, lol
Maybe hagrid did the subtitles 😂
"I didn't expect things to go this way, but Voldemort's vulnerable, so I can hardly complain."
“Too many ifs, IF you ask me”
If-ception
Maddie Carney BWAAAAAAAAH
Ifception indeed!
Nested ifs are normal
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Renee J You done now
Snape did not tell Harry that he had to die, because Snape is very good at deflecting mindreading spells, Harry is not, if Snape told Harry and Voldemort managed to read his mind, he would find out Snape was working for Albus Dumbledore all along and his cover would be blown.
Nice
That's why Snape used his doe patronus to lead Harry to the sword. So Voldemort would not look into Harry's mind and see Snape presenting it to him.
@@dickeater3232 Snape is the ONLY death eater who can produce a patronus and it can be simply voldemort just assumes that Snape can't produce one. Or even if he does know, it's very easy to assume that it is someone else's patronus because we Have seen 2 ppl w the same patronus before, Mcgonagall and Umbridge, soo.....
@@dickeater3232 The only two living beings he could see through were Nagini and Harry because Horcrux. So, no, Voldemort had no knowledge of anything Snape did outside his or his Death Eaters' vision.
@@dickeater3232 and Voldemort can't get into Snape's mind because he's a master at Occlumence. (Spelled that wrong, I know) lol
You guys have a way of convincing me 100% on theories that are most probably not true.
Exactly
it’s cuz they’re slytherins and slytherins have a tendency to do that💀😏
@@Gentle_Storm tru I know that cos my sis is one
But it makes the movies and books 100% more interesting when you do make theories
THEORY - The Deluminator was how Dumbledore always happened to be in the right place at the right time.........
Not necessarily.. We all know he could aparate..
Soham Chakraborty
I think that the Deluminator is just helping the person to apparate to the place he needs to be. I don't believe that you could travel in an instant with the Deluminator without beeing able to apparate on your own.
Stephanie Bailey
Hypothesis, not theory.
thegreenredeye
Nice thinking on your part.. But I don't think the deluminator does any help in apparating cz we have seen many wizards apparating in the film series and none but only Albus had the deluminator.. Apparition is a wizard's personal skill, while deluminator is a device that you can take help of.. And both of 'em helps you travel.. So what's the difference ??
So here's my hypothesis.. Apparition only works if you know your destination exactly.. While duliminator works by teleporting you to the destination (that you didn't know of) of your deepest desire.. Like that of Ron.. He just wanted to get back to Hermione, but he didn't know where they were.. And that's the exact time the deluminator worked.. 😉✌️
Soham Chakraborty
I don't say that you need the Deluminator to apparate, but that if you need to be somewhere the Deluminator can help you get there. I just believe that you can't teleport with the Deluminator without having apparated on your own before.
I do think he planed it rather *CALMLY*
Super Vegito DID U PUT A COMMENT ON THIS VIDEO SUPER VEGITO
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Super Vegito
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Ahahaha is this about book 4 moment?
I love how we all know what this means.
Your theory could've been the main plan; Snape's memory could've been backup plan #5, because we all know Dumbledore always had a backup plan or 20.
Was that a reference to Ron in the movie after he ate the love potion chocolates in movie number 6?
“I thought I’d try 1..or 20” *gushes like teen girl*
this means Rons greatest desire is actually friendship
AWWWWW
That is actually so sweet
It was about friendship all along
Maybe the real Ron was the friends we made along the way…
Sometimes I wonder if Rowling is a mastermind or if the harry potter fans just have a huge imagination
zalto16 There are entire forum threads with theories plus fanfiction.
Rei 89 that's what I'm talking about. Like there is so many theories, there's no way Rowling actually thought out all of that or.. is she a genius
zalto16 I agree she is somewhat of a genius and the world building was done great.
She had a mastery in creating the mystery side of things.
easy to read for children and adults. Some adults are obsessed enough to nitpic everything about the series.
There is a legacy of things still discussed by fans.
Evan the plot holes and inconsistencies make the story great
I think she was a fantastic world builder, (you can tell she took loads of inspiration of the worlds greatest lore writer Tolkien) and part of being a great world builder in my opinion is putting in loads of detail while still leaving enough wiggle room for multitudes of interpretation. It’s doesn’t matter her intent, in fact she might have had non at all but rather the inspiration that you can spark in your audience. That’s the magic of well written literature and my guess as to why Harry Potter has been able to live on to vivaciously
A bit of both, I think
In the pensieve we see that Dumbledore said to snape « when Voldemort will start protecting Nagini, I think it will be safe to tell him everything », so I think Dumbledore intended all along snape to tell Harry, and it’s why Snape so desperately asks Voldemort to allow him to find the boy during the battle
This is such a simpler explanation.
You are correct that is exactly what Dumbledore wanted.he intended for snape to tell harry at that time ....he said it would be safe to do so at that time .he knew harry would know what to do.
This is exactly the right answer. He was even making voldemort mad by repeatedly asking to leave so he can get Harry.
Brian Fyffe now that we know this go back and watch this video again knowing in your mind how wrong he is. And look at his goofy demeanor he's convinced he's right when he's completely wrong. That is the attitude of a man who thinks he knows everything , but he don't really know shit. LOL.
Yes sounds like the original plan, but I mean it woudn't be Dumbledore if he hadn't had a backup plan, so he also said once, that he never reveals all his secrets to one person. Maybe he just plant a few different ways it could happen
Snape: VOLDEMORT'S COMING!!
Dumbledore: Are you serious?
Snape: No, I'm Severus! 😭😭😭😭
Mugglesam this deserves more likes
Hahahaha
Cringe
nice one!
@@thewizard5339 I bet you liked your own comment
"I open at the close".... harry reaches the grave. snitch open because they are at the close of getting the wand.... stone releveals and harry summons dumbledore and the explains everything. best option i think.
But the real question is, "HARRY DID YE PUT YOUR NAME IN THE GOBLET OF FIRE?!"
Emma Kenyon never gets old 😂😂😂
Ana Lampis never 😂😂
-He asked calmly.
FYAHHHHHHHHHH
HARRY DIDJA PUTCHER NAME IN DE GOBLE OF FIAH?
Dumbledore just knew the trio too much
A little TOOOOO much if you ask me.😏
Yes of course he did, I mean, he is their Headmaster after all...
cos he is ron ;)
Sure every year they got into trouble and sent to his office. So he probably had a pot of tea or butter beer ready on the last day of school, "So Harry spill the butter beer/tea?"
Yes, because he is Ron. #RONBLEDORE
5:12 That's actually a Bible verse, funny enough: "For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also." Matthew 6:21
Tobias Sanders I started to write that. We are thinking alike.
As is the one on the Potters' grave.
I always assumed Dumbledore reasoned that during the war Ron's family members could die, in which case he would want to return home, and then be able to easily return to Harry and Hermione.
Missed these Potter theories. Thank you guys, you’re amazing!
He does them ALL the time
Does anyone else say "Hey Brother!" At the end of the intro song? Because I'm guilty as charged always.
Cody Green don't we all? And when they play the intro
*guilty* ummmmmm. Okay and also start singing the intro.
Wait... doesn’t everybody say it along...?
And "These socks are amazing!"
Yesss I definitely say the socks part sometimes haha
It states in the books that Snape was supposed to tell Harry about everything after Dumbledore was dead per Dumbledore's request/order though... I feel like poor DD has gotten so much hate throughout the years for "raising him like a pig for slaughter", but in reality...Harry had to die no matter what for Voldemort to truly die. So DD knew all along that even though Harry must "die", what is the best way to ensure he'd be brought back (resurrection stone), AND know enough to want to do it by choice?? You build that bond/relationship between DD and Harry, and Harry learns about the hallows and the horcruxes so he can become a "master of death" and choose then to stay dead or come back. Made perfect sense to me the first time I read the series, and has annoyed me at how everyone hates on DD for it. lol
But Harry never had the stone at the time he was killed. He dropped it before facing Voldemort. It had nothing to do with him returning.
Well not exactly. The resurrections stone does not bring people back from the dead it simply lets you summon and converse with them. Secondly Harry did not come back because of he was the master of death, he was protected because his mother's love protection spell was still in effect as it lived on through Voldemort since he used his blood to form a new body, with the added bonus of voldemort's elder wand alliance being to Harry. However when Harry gave himself up to voldemort as sacrifice it also acted as the same lily protection for his friends which again prevented hard to them by voldemort. DD had the whole thing planned out. Im not sure when he spoke to Snape about Harry sacrifice but since he knew about Harry being a Horcroax during the Half Blood Prince it is obvious at this point he knew voldemort used Harry's blood to come back. The only thing he didnt plan out was the ownership of his wand as he wasn't expecting Malfoy to disarm him.
MultiDiceman Didn’t they just convince us all that Dumbledore had Harry’s ownership of the wand planned out as well? I mean it makes total sense 😂
What if it WAS the Resurrection Stone that brought Harry back? Perhaps it's full power was realized because at the time he uses it, Harry is the master of death. He possesses all the Hallows, just not physically the wand. Maybe OWNING all three made a full resurrection possible? No one else has ever united the Hallows before.
I was going to comment this🙂🙂
a couple of mistakes. The reason why Snape didn't go to Harry in person is that Voldemort could read Harry's mind and that's the reason why Snape went to Harry with a Patronus. Also, Snape was supposed to tell Harry about him being a Horcrux, it's just that Voldemort thinks that Snape is the owner of the Elder Wand so he kills him.
JFK why did Dumbledore have to die, what benefit does it make that Voldemort now trusts Snape
@@hught2575 He was his best friend so voldemort would fully trust snape if he killed him
And he was dying anyway
@@hught2575 Dumbledore was dying anyway from that curse on the Slytherin ring and wanted to die on his own terms instead of being eaten by Nagini or displayed by Voldemort, etc.
@@hught2575 dumbledore was aware of his impending demise and was, at that point, merely waiting for the right moment.
when dumbledore was disarmed by draco and snape showed up, dumbledore saying: "severus, please" this was him giving the signal to do it right then and there, the death eaters did not see dumbledore being disarmed so all they could ever report on the matter was that snape killed dumbledore, making voldemort pursue the wrong person as the master of the elder wand.
@@windhelmguard5295 Whether or not death eaters saw Draco disarm Dumbledore is irrelevant. I assume they think the owner has to be killed rather than only disarmed for the wand to change alliance, just like Voldemort did.
I believe it. Like Snape said, that he was raising him like a pig to slaughter. Dumbledore knew he would be the only one that could defeat him, because he was him.
William Plaud no he wasn’t. If you read the books Dumbledor knew Harry was a horcrux. He guessed that if Harry died the part of him that would die first would be the part of Voldemort inside him. He guessed he would have an NDE.
No it has way too many holes
+Natalia Hyatt pretty sure dumbledore didn't know harry would comeback when he was planning all this
Cooking Sauce in the book when Harry is in his NDE, he asks Dumbledor if he guessed that it would happen. Dumbledor says yes. Further when reading the book Dumbledor knows a lot about unknown magic. Usually his guesses are correct. Rowling sets this up in the book perfectly
He "guessed it" but he wasn't sure at all. He was pretty much hoping this would happen. And in any case, Dumbledore didn't know or couldn't confirm that Voldemort actually had horcrux till book 2. And it's not like he had much of a choice. Voldemort had to go down.
No! Snape could’ve sent word through the portrait of Phineas Nigellus. The whole point of telling Snape to tell Harry he needs to die is to wait until only Nagini is left. Meaning when all the other horcruxes are gone.
Also, Harry only came back to life because he went to meet death willingly, and didn’t defend himself.
Quantum Girl if it wasn't planned like it was dark lord would have learned what Harry was and he wouldn't have came after him at all and would have killed who ever knew of what Harry was and he lives forever
Also I believe Harry was master of death with possession of all three items even when Harry didn't even know about the elder wand being his he still the owner he had the stone bc it was given to him he had the cloak from the beginning so he was the master of death at the end so he was given a choice that was how he was able to come back
Books says the blood of harry being in Voldemort makes him be able to live. So stick with it.
TechGamen! When Harry Met Dumbledore after “dying” in “Kings Cross”, he asked *but I should’ve died, I didn’t even defend myself.* and Dumbledore replies ”that, I think, will have made all the difference”. So what I’m saying is literally in the books!
Exactly! I was thinking that the entire video:P Also, J himself says that Dumbledore planned for Snape to be the master of the elder wand, what would he do that for if he intended for Harry to have it.
Around 7:50 when you mentioned Dumbledore wanting Harry to get the Hallows there was one thing that came to mind ............. the Peverell Brothers were the first people to possess the Hallows. Harry is a direct descendant of Ignotus Peverell, the owner of the Invisibility Cloak. Tom Riddle a.k.a Lord Voldemort was a direct descendant of both Salazar Slytherin and Cadmus Peverell who was in possession of the Resurrection Stone which was embedded in the Gaunt family ring. Soooooooo, that makes Voldemort and Harry cousins, however distant that may be, and either one could possess the Deadly Hallows without any consequences. So, there.
Well, 1000 years back, pretty much everybody is an ancestor of everybody living today. Further more, it is made explicitly clear, many times throughout the books that all the pure blood families (witch both Gaunt and Potter were) are all inter married/ related. So by that logic any wizard with a hint of pure blood (and pretty much any muggelborn wizard) could poses all the hallows with no consequences. So, there.
Keep in mind if harry didnt get the cloak his first year, dumbledore would be the master of death
*deathly
I’ve noticed this before ahah
Can anyone explain to me how did Cadmus Peverell have descendants?
The Deluminator...
Don’t you mean the Put-Outer?
Yup
No, I think they mean The Deluminator.
@@_Professor_Oak r/wooosh
@@aldohaimar4382 Care to explain the joke or you just gonna advertise your favourite subreddit?
@@_Professor_Oak the put outer was it's original name
Well, that was a real 'I open...'-er.
That might be the most witty thing I have ever read in a comment section.
“I open at the close”
When I read Deathly Hallows at first I had no idea what this meant but know I get it and I love this quote so much 😛
I was a little young when I read the books so when Harry said what it meant I was confused out of my living mind. But now I get it
The "I Open at the Close" bit you were explaining was actually mind blowing.
Agree
Ik it’s kind of late but can you do a top 7 unanswered questions from Infinity War or something like that.
You should do a theory about how the vanishing cabinets got seperated
I’d watch that!
me too.
In the second book, Harry and Ron are able to escape Filge's office and punishment because peeves drops a huge cabinet one floor higher... ;)
Noone:
No soul:
Supercarlinbrothers: why was Dumbledore's beard white?
Next week: Was Dumbledore's beard Grinderwald's Horcrux?"
@@emankcin1701 And by the end of the video, you would utterly believe Dumbledore's beard was Grindelwald's Horcrux.
I really feel that Dumbledore was omniscient and knew the future, as well as how dangerous it would be for him to interfere with the ultimate events.
That’s actually a pretty good theory
Nah, he was just really clever.
Time Turner
The real question...
HARRYDIDJAPUTYANAMEINTHEGOBLETOFFIRE?!?!
Asked Dumbledore calmly..
Lol
I thought it was:
HARRIDIYAPUTYERNAMEINTHEGOBLETERFFIRE
hehe it was horrible I hate it... I can't even watch that movie.
Asked Dumbledore calmly
I clicked as soon as I saw this.
me too
As I watched this video, I realized something. The Elder Wand changes loyalty when their owner is killed, or, in Draco's case, when used the Expelliarmius spell on, therefore making it Harry's. But as I just said, it also changes loyalty when its current owner is killed, and Voldemort killed Harry, so shouldn't the Elder Wand be loyal to Voldemort, even for a few minutes?
Yeah, yeah, I know what you're thinking "Voldemort killed the Horcrux inside Harry and he was able to go back" but that's exactly where it gets weird. Harry was _given the option_ to go back, so he must be at some limbo stage, which technically means he is dead, and I think that if a simple Expelliarmius spell is enough to make the Elder Wand change loyalty, something like what happened to Harry should *definitely* be enough as well.
What do you guys think?
Harry did not fight back. In Dumbledore's own words, "This made all the difference." If Harry had fought back and lost, he would have lost the Elder Wand's allegiance.
TheElixir007 Dumbledore didn’t fight back either and still lost allegiance
@@levellz Not exactly. Dumbledore's wand was out and ready to disarm Draco had Draco tried to use Avada Kedavra on Dumbledore to save the kid's soul. But Draco unexpectedly managed to disarm Dumbledore anyway.
TheElixir007 but doesn’t that still count as losing possession?
@@levellz It does. Dumbledore lost his possession over the wand's loyalty to Draco.
Watching this video again...
I still agree that maybe what eventually happened may not have been the original plan. But I think it's still possible that what did happen was one of those plans. I mean, I think it very likely that Dumbledore covered several scenarios when setting things up. So, yes, Harry finding out the story through Snape could be one route, this theory can be another. That it is one of these two doesn't mean the other could never have been in place.
Anyway, I may have mentioned it in another video, but maybe Dumbledore just expected Ron would want to check in on his family every now and then, and gave him a way to get back to Harry and Hermione, instead of knowing all along that Ron would desert them.
Also, if this theory is correct, then it turns out Dumbledore has misjudged Ron. Because, I reread that part after they chose one each among the Hallows and Ron was pretty quick to reach the conclusion that they should concentrate on Horcruxes rather than Hallows. It was Harry that became obsessed with the Elder Wand.
Also, Harry became obsessed with it for quite a while (weeks). During that time, Ron must have used the Deluminator several times. He does have a habit of playing with it. And not once did it give any sign of bringing them to the wand.
I wonder if, if Harry had used it, would they have been transported to the wand...?
opsatr Ron visiting his family makes more sense (DD probably wanted him to be able to do that)
It's also said in the books that Ron's dormant leadership skills were galvanized by Harry's descent into listlessness. If this happened before they break into the Ministry, it's possible that Ron would have brooded over the elder wand a bit more and perhaps become obsessed with it
But he planned for Snape himself to tell Harry he must die : “[...]Precisely. If there comes a time when Lord Voldemort stops sending that snake forth to do his bidding, but keeps it safe beside him under magical protection, then, I think, it will be safe to tell Harry.”- Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Ch. 33: The Prince's Tale. So Snape was looking for Harry during the battle of Hogwarts when Voldemort called him because he figured out he must be the master of the Elder Wand
I find it so bizarre that they forgot this crucial piece of information in this video actually... I'm so glad someone else remembered this and I didn't make it up in my head! It was always Dumbledore's plan for Snape & Harry to have that conversation.
thats because this guy alaways purpusely forget to mention the elements in the book that would destroy his theories. his video here makes zero sense if you just read the book and have a little brain. but hes fun to watch bc he actually believes his theories make sense when they are just idiotics.
Harry knew that he would ve to die bc Dumbledore told Snape everything, point blank. And Dumbledore also trusted Harry and the gang. Plus Dumbledore tought the mission would take years, even decades the time that Harry with much more knowledge figures out everything, bc he knows (and who ever read the book), Harry is a very smart and has that inner instinct in him that makes him very different.
Even Dumbledore was impressed/in awe that Harry accomplished his mission so early and accepted his fate with so much grace and courage. thats why Dumbledore even says to Harry "you are better than me" , not in terms of powers, but as a human being (sorry i disgress so much lol)
this is what i was to say!!!
Basically yeah dumbledore's plan relies on a lot of conveniences and things he could not possibly have foreseen. You could make an argument about destiny or you could say it is just one of the weaker aspects of the story. I think this fan theory is just excuse making for something that doesn't entirely work in the plot though.
Tbh I'm not bothered by the plan being farfetched and I like to believe that Dumbledore even intended Harry to survive in the end.
Ha Nam I suppose even if someone does defeat Harry they may not know the wand exists or that Harry put it back in the tomb. So there's a good chance it would either die with Harry or whoever defeated harry.
In the UK we have already had some 20 year celebrations - it was published in the UK at the end of 1997 but not in the US till the following year
So very funny then that they split it between 1997 and 1998
Everyone: "Harry Potter"
SuperCarlinBrothers: "Hairy Potter"
0:40 Rita skeeter ( J.K. Rowling ) would only need to make the book when the war ended and she got exiled .
Dumbledore didn’t have an explicit plan. He understood the wisdom of not controlling others for the greater good. Dumbledore’s plan was to invest in helping Harry develop the character and wisdom to fight the needed fight and make any sacrifice required. In raising children, you don’t plan their final battles, you raise them to know what to value, what matters and understand when a sacrifice is worth it.
Wonderful
Your prose is very good. Almost as good as Rowling.
Doreen Cloutier thank you for the kind and generous complement.
Doreen Cloutier If you enjoy my prose and Harry Potter - I wrote and produced 3 episodes of Hermione’s Secret Research Journal. Here is the link to the first. Got lost in the massive thing that is TH-cam. th-cam.com/video/p0e3ZbIsU1o/w-d-xo.html
You said the greater good
Are you Grindelwald?
I'm supposed to be doing homework, but this has effortlessly dragged me away. Maybe I love SCB that much! Maybe I love HP that much! Maybe I hate homework. Who knows.
Homework....in July?!
ap classes never rest ffffff
And I'm supposed to be sleeping it's 2:57 A.M.
what is wrong with me?!
I’m guilty of all 3.
What school do you go to?!?!
Has any body ever thought why Dumbledore didn’t appear when Harry used the resurrection stone
New vid idea!
@@FirstnameLastname-vf9rp Because Dumbledore isn't completely dead. :D To understand watch SuperCarlinBrother's Theory about Dumbledore having created a Horcrux.
There is a video made by supercarlinbrothers about the resurrection stone..it wants people to die...so Harry saw the people whom he loved come back so he would be tempted to go to them, but if dumbledore had come he would know he had to kill voldemort and so he wouldn't die...it's as though the resurrection stone planned a this...
I know it's a bit late...to reply but yeah
Because the scene with him coming back in the limbo would have been less interesting, having already seen Dumbledore come back from the dead a minute earlier
Me: That’s brilliant!
J: But J I hear you screaming at your screens!
Me: ?????
Me: *searching his address*
Me: *mailing him hearing aids*
could a muggle become the master of the elder wand?
Maybe
Yes
Perhaps if he shot the owner
Depends on how sick the Wand was of wizards refusing to pick up useful Muggle technology. Like synthetic wand oil!
Probably
"Too many ifs"Jay would be good at cinemasins.
Always loved that phrase "I open at the close" it just works on so many levels it's mind-boggling. one phrase to show them all, what a literary genius Rowling is.
Love your videos so much dude! Been watching nonstop for 2 days now haha, my mom sent me all my Harry Potter, Indiana Jones, Star Wars, and other older DVD's from my old bedroom in their basement in Colorado. Im excited to watch these old classics again, but this time with loads of new perspective. Thank you for allowing me this VERY fun and UNIQUE experience. You and your brother absolutely ROCK
WHAT?! Nooo, really? NOOOOO
Maddie Carney It would kick like a mule.
The impression actually reminds me of Ben XD But I've never seen The Happening.
Seriously? Noooo kqly vac ban? Noooo seriously? Noooo
Just one more reason I say Dumbledore is a SLYTHERIN.
Bumblebee was a more a snake then Tom..... Ask his sister, Ohhh wait.....
Agreed!
Yeah... except then he wouldn't sabotage their chance at the house cup every year XD
yeah dumbledore has been confirmed to be a grphyndore
AngelIsHereTo ObserveTheEnd He had the mind of a Slytherin but the heart of a Gryffindor.
This was a really good theory! It makes so much sense and doesn’t require any suspension of disbelief. I’m so happy you’re still doing lots of Harry Potter stuff.(:
I love how you guys take something that seems like a stretch and make it make perfect sense.
Oh hey. You guys may be the perfect person to ask!! I've had a debate amongst friends about polyjuice potion. So a scenario! Let's say there are two guys and a girl. It's a love triangle. The unrequited love wants to be with the woman.. so he brews polyjuice potion with essence of the other guy to have a night with her. (And not necessarily having to redrink any potion to keep the effect because depending on how well it's brewed, the effects could last 10 minutes or 12 hours.) Anyway. Said night results in a pregnancy. But.. who is the father?
I seem to remember a King Arthur movie that began with a similar scene... O-O Logically, the bio dad SHOULD be the man that the sample came from to make the polyjuice potion. But then magic can get hand wavey like jazz hands.
Probably the person being impersonated. When Harry used Polyjuice potion, everything (except his brain) changed about him. His voice, his body, his eyes. Harry didn't need glasses when he was in Goyle's form, either. This implies that all of the other person's body (other than the brain) would be replicated. Pottermore says that it can change a person's 'age, sex and race'. So the impersonator's body would change, including the inside. Any sperm in the body would be recreated also, so when he ejaculates, it would be the sperm of the guy being impersonated.
TL;DR: The guy being impersonated is the father.
Mini Williams but when the potion wore off, would the transformed sperm return to normal?
Jeez... that's a weird sentence to have written.
basically what this question asks is does polyjuice potion change the DNA in your sperm...which is a weird question but also very valid and I really don't know. Physical appearance has nothing to do with who the father is, it's all down to the genetic level stuff going on.
Right! But also.. the effects DO eventually wear off. So.. does that mean that even if it DOES transform.. does the sperm transform back to the original guy?
There was also the case of Barty Crouch Jrs. mother. She was never found out to not be him. So was she found and buried in such a timely manner that no one ever saw er transform back into herself.. (because I can't imagine a dementor out there digging graves) or was this somehow binding that she would forever reflect the image of her son?
If death IS binding that she'll stay that way forever.. wouldn't pregnancy be just as binding?
Please do more Harry Potter videos
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No sorry. But it’s cool that you like Harry Potter
10:45 The snitch says "I open at the close"
But also, the story of the three brothers say that the wand was stolen from the elder brother *"While he slept"* being dead is usually refered as "sleeping" and Dumbledore had the wand with him while in his tomb
Once again, "The future is predetermined by the character of those who shape it."
Dumbledore isn't a ghost, Dumbledore is a floating dead thing.
Oh, and I believe that after death, Hedwig becomes a Poultry-guist
Poltergeist?
Pretty sure they meant Poultry as in bird...
Alright I’ll give you a like because of that “great” pun
Poltergeist aren't dead. They're magical creatures who take pleasure in watching or causing chaos. Still good pun.
Poultry-geist 👏👏👏 love it!
While I agree that his overall plan was probably different, if the deluminator can find things you want bad enough, why wouldn't Dumbledore have just used that to find the other Horocruxs? (Granted we don't know how he found the others but I just figure that would be the logical first step if it is that powerful.)
Though I guess we could speculate he didn't have solid evidence they existed til the Slughorn Memory. The "want" wasn't strong enough.
Because it’s not his hearts desire
I think he was using the deluminator but not to find horcruxes, to find out all that info about Voldemort n track dwn those memories. He knew he wouldn't live long enough to track dwn the horcruxes (curse from ring) so he started training harry. Heart's desire : defeat Voldemort
Lonnie Alex thank you! His whole theory is trash.
It seems a bit too straight forward for Dumbledore though, y'know? 😂😂😂 jk i dunno
8:55 I'm confused. If either Harry or Voldemort dueled with different wands, there would be no golden flames, on either side. Because the golden flames were explicitly because they were dueling with *twin* wands. Harry won during the GoF duel, not because his flames were more powerful or anything, but because he had greater willpower pushing the flames, but the reason for the flames themselves was the twin cores. That was one of the reasons Voldemort wanted the Elder wand to begin with... to avoid the twin cores situation (well, that, and because it's an unbeatable wand).
Exactly, I was confused by this too
Yes it's the only thing I don't understand...In this szenario when Harry came back from the dead to fight Voldemort, voldemort should have won because harry wasn't the master of the elder wand(in D. plan Snape was) So Voldemort would have won...but Harry wouldn't die anyway because of the love protection(again) they both would live on
i think you guys are not understanding the golden flames thing in which it was something that only occurred when Voldemort came for Harry during the 7 Harrys chase, for whatever reason while using Lucius Wand, Harry's wand seemed to react to Voldemort's presence and immediatly brought out expelliarmus blocking the killing curse as well as launching golden flames that shattered the wand Voldemort was using.
Loved this video! Big fan of the potter series! Thank you and keep up the good work!
Now that sounds very possible!
Dumbledore is a rude boi to Ron.
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When he started talking about wands my brain melted.
I love this. I always felt like the "I open at the close" was a weird note and it always felt a tad unresolved for me in the book even though the snitch opened at the close of Harry's story.
dumbledore asks snape to tell harry that "he has to die when voldemort is at his weakest"
so yeah, dumbledore wnated harry to learn this from snape
Or, Harry and company destroy the horcruxes, face Voldemort, get killed, then snape, perfectly positioned with the unbeatable wand, kills Voldemort. Dumbledore did say he wanted snape to be master of the elder wand
I have always thought Dumbledore was clairvoyant, or something like that. He is always, usually, highly aware of future outcomes, events, etc
This might be the best fan theory I’ve ever heard! It’s definitely in character for dumbledore and I love how well it matches up with the canon info. Officially accepted as headcanon!
Good one :-) especially the deluminator part
Btw: Deluminator sounds like a doofenshmirtz invention
What if Dumbledore has actually wanted Harry to kill him self to destroy the horcrux? For instance in the story the brother who wanted the stone wanted to be with those he lost. The people Harry talked to when he used the stone all practically convinced him that death wasn’t all that bad. Death created the stone to take the life of the brother who had cheated him. So the stone was created to make someone want to go to the other side. So maybe Dumbledore thought that Harry would see all his lost loved ones and that they would convince him to come to them, destroying the Horcrux. This theory is way more sinister but if Dumbledore knew Harry would be able to go back It kind of makes sense. And I know what you’re thinking, Harry could only come back if he met death willingly by allowing Voldemort to kill him. But if Harry had done as the brother had done he would have been meeting death willingly. And the prophecy in a way points to this being possible. “Either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives.” So if Harry were to destroy the horcrux (himself) instead then it would be impossible for him to truly die and Dumbledore would’ve known that.
but you forget, the only thing that can destroy a horcrux is something that damages the host beyond magical repair, so if Harry had, say, slit his throat, the horcrux inside him would have healed the wound and the horcrux wouldn't have been destroyed.
Apple Pi idk can jumping off the astronomy tower be repaired..?
Pelle Koopman ya to snape. How would Snape feel knowing that Dumbledore wanted Lily’s child to just take his own life?
probably... magic
Dumbledore might've wanted Harry to realize that he needed to die. I agree, in a way. I even think Dumbledore was counting on this realization. During his conversation with Snape, Dumbledore did say that Harry might've realized that a part of Voldemort's soul was within him and he (Harry) would therefore arrange matters so that when he (Harry) does die it would truly mean the end of voldemort. Or he might've been counting on Harry wanting to die. Because if he did realize that he had to die, he would have to tell the snitch he was about to die and I believe it would still reveal the resurrection stone anyway. It was Harry's willingness to die that opened the snitch. I guess Dumbledore would also hope that the moment would present itself. It wouldn't be that farfetched for Dumbledore to believe that Voldemort would want to kill Harry himself. Dumbledore knew voldemort had an obsessive need to kill the boy with his own hands. So when HP finally realizes he has to die of course LV would surely have to be the one. But I guess the back up plan was snape. If ever HP didn't realize that he needed to die Snape would tell him. Dumbledore was counting on Voldemort valuing Snape's life. There was more chances of him being alive compared to other Order People. He was most likely to survive until the end. Unfortunately, he got killed before finding harry. Fortunately, he was able to give harry his memories and such. Dumbledore's plan I believe is for him to descover everything on his own. But, well, he didn't so anyway. All is well that ends well.
You are AWESOME, J.... I love Hp as much as you, but love to see this enthusiasm. LOVE this theory. It makes SO much sense.
Yes
It makes complete dense! Thank you for all the vids. You guys are so great!
Some good ideas that do make sense. But I believe there is a whole lot more beauty in Harry willingly and consciously choosing to sacrifice himself, versus Dumbledore setting him up to be unwittingly murdered (even if it's only temporary). That part doesn't sit right with me, and seems too much like betrayal. Also, in King's Cross, after Harry is killed, Dumbledore greets him and tells him how very brave he was - which isn't something you'd say to someone if you'd just basically duped them into being killed. I think it was important that Harry knew exactly what he was doing.
How everything actually turned out might have been less "seat of the pants" seeming if Harry had been drawn to the Headmaster's office during the lull in the battle, and Dumbledore was awake in his portrait and said: "There is one more set of memories you need to see." And Snape would have already deposited his memories for safekeeping for Harry to find, sitting near the pensieve.
I like, except that it was very dangerous for Snape to leave the memories just waiting for Harry since anyone who came across them would be able to see them.
That's true. But he could have spelled them into Dumbledore's portrait or something like that (like the Mirror of Erised and how he got the Philosopher's Stone), where only Harry was able to retrieve them.
What, were yoy expecting Dumbledore to walk up harry after he died and say" you just got pranked bro"
@@fightingmedialounge519 All of this was just your dream, Harry. You're gonna wake up as a ten-year old boy and get beaten up by your cousin by afternoon.
I was just rewatching Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets and I thought: How did Murtle die? Because she looked at the basilisk with glasses on, so you don't look it directly in the eye do you?
She was crying in the bathroom, making it more than likely that she had her glasses off. But if not, I don't think that one layer of glass counts as indirect eye contact.
Thank you
her damaged eyesight is corrected by the glasses making it a direct contact, I guess
At a guess, the glass doesn't hamper the vision, but instead refines it. As opposed to seeing it through something which hampers it, like a ghost, or an indirect viewing entirely, like in a mirror.
More likely she took her glasses of because she was crying..
This is absolutely amazing I can’t believe you can do this stuff
"The boy who lived after died"
Now I wanna see a remake of the deathly hallows where everything goes to plan :(
@@Mehwhatevr or maybe even go into the Pensieve with Harry and revisit his own memories! :)
@@Mehwhatevr yeah i know, but i think u misunderstood what i was trying to say.
my point was that if Voldemort said yes when Snape offered to bring Harry to him, Snape could visit the Pensieve WITH HARRY before bringing Harry to Voldemort (and i'm assuming Harry would agree to come since he knows he needs to die).
the last movie came out 2011 and that is the year I first watched harry potter and I was obsessed with it (until I forgot it 1 week later) so you could say my obsession opened at the close? ;)
Snape could not reveal himself and tell harry in case Voldemort reads his mind
Snape did not tell Harry because he is so skilled in deflecting mind reading spells, but Harry is not, if Harry was told this by Snape, Voldemort could read his mind, and Snape's cover would be revealed, therefore giving Voldemort the upperhand.
This deserves more likes
Dumbledore theories are the actual best.
How was Harry supposed to figure out he was supposed to die, though?
I think what he means is: Harry didn't really need to know? He just would use the Elder wand and lose because of that?
ShinyFearghus Then why hide the ring in the Snitch like he did?
Frank Daidone But the Snitch didn't just open for him. He had to tell it that he was going to die
I guess to give it to him without alerting the ministry.
I remember it being important for him to CHOOSE to die, not just die :\ maybe it wasn't important for the Horcrux but it was important for the situation. So I think you're right.
most underrated video award goes to....THIS ONE. Love it even more after every time I watch it
I just realized that you guys have a Welcome To Night Vale poster. 10/10
... for the first half second I saw the thumbnail I was like your doing a lotr? Video??? Then I read the title :P Anyways a good video :)
"I swear, if I'd known the afterlife would make me look like Gandalf, I'd have dyed my beard before having Snape off me."
Same
are they even into lotr?? now that you mention, I'd like to see some scb theories about middle earth lol
sgutas J has mentioned that they like LOTR but that it’s a franchise with too rich of a history for them to tackle...and I fully agree.
Ah but Gandalf has white beard and hair a blue hat, and a silver scarf and big black boots, and gray clothing
I hate how Dumbledore risks everybody’s life so he could lead harry with riddles instead of telling him what he needed to do.
I think if he just told him what to do rather than lead him to the answers which Harry ultimately finds himself, it would have risked the operation a whole lot more. For example, Voldemort can enter Harry's mind. If he would have known Harry is a horcrux or that the person disarming the elderly wand is the true master or that Snape is Dumbledore's agent, he would have had a much much better defence in place than what he ended up doing. Another thing, as mentioned in this video, if Harry had just received the deathly hallows not deservingly so to speak, before his time he might have ended up misusing them like many people before him. Dumbledore was far too smart to go for a shortcut and and a quick payoff because he knew it would be too dangerous.
soonsims first of all your first point doesn’t make sense at all. He couldn’t directly tell him those things but he could directly tell him about horcruxes? He could tell him about order and other equally important stuff? Secondly, harry received the elder wand deservedly? By disarming draco? Not even in a duel. I feel like I’m missing something.
Yeah you are missing something indeed - deservingly meaning finding the meaning behind the items himself.
Dumbledore planned to tell Harry more than he actually did, he just didnt know that he would die in the night they searched the medaillon. He planned to tell Harry at least how to destroy Horcruxes.
And about the fact that Harry needed to die: didnt he admit to Harry that he feared that Harry wouldnt want to go on in destroying the Horcruxes if he knew that he had to die after that?
Lara Dingels he could have left him a letter or memory or something.
And also Dumbledore suspected that harry would survive because Voldemort had used his blood for the resurrection ritual and he could have told harry of his thoughts.
I'm loving these videos so much :)
You are brilliant and I love your energy. New favorite channel!
Dumbledore wanted Harry to possess them safely, yes. Safe as in: when all is done and Voldemort is defeated.
I think that Dumbledore might have known that Voldemort would want to kill Snape because of the Wand. But your theory is pretty solid and I think that it was probably Dumbledore's original plan.
You forget 'Being me has it's advantages' Dumbledore can get into Hogwarts... you think he cant make a way for them to get in?
I'd like to add, if the snitch opened at Dumbledore's grave, Harry would have the resurrection stone, and Dumbledore would literally speak to him IN PERSON telling him the plan, then Harry would have the wand when he died, came back and Wins.
That quote was part of the movie, in the books they couldn't apperate right into Hogwarts.
This is probably my favorite Harry Potter video on TH-cam
Great theory but I guarantee Rowling will hate it 😜
Jambr0 cuz it’s wrong! Right
its gonna be cannon by the end of the decade. it will be a major plot point in the second play
(sarcastic reference to the "voldemort had a kid with bellatrix" theory that jk hated)
Robert K 😪😪😪 Sad but true (well, the deservedness of the sarcastic comment there, anyway!).
One minutes of wand raised silence for all us fans.
Robert K Wait, has she stated that she hated it, and if so, where? As I thought she was protecting the guys who wrote it, saying it should be canon and they wrote it together. That was THE WORST plot idea to come up with, and I totally don’t get why they did it how could they.
It’s all wrong - just like The Cursed Child. It’s exactly the message that how love wins against evil is with someone like Harry or Frodo who does NOT lust after such a powerful destructive artefact like the ring or the elder wand. He is NOT after it no matter how it might seemingly offer helpful power that you’d “only use for good and the get rid of it, cough cough”, and THAT is WHY he won! Believe it, he would have most likely lost if he had sought this wand instead of the horcruxes!! (MY theory, lol.)
Even if he dug up the grave and took the Elder wand, I'm not sure that would make him master of it.
Harry had to steal Draco's wand to somehow (in a roundabout way) be able to maximize its potential.
I've seen the guitar in the background and i'd love to hear somebody play it because its from a fantastic company and i hear that even the sub-sized body that the guitar has a good tone!! its also from one of the best movies ever in my opinion so it just enhances my want to see it be in the spotlight.
Deluminator is obviously a multi-purpose magical tracking device.