Proof That Dumbledore NEVER Liked Snape | Harry Potter Film Theory
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Today J dives into the Wizarding World of Harry Potter to find out if Dumbledore ever really like Snape, or just respected his abilities as a Wizard and used him as a tool.
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I think we need to take a moment to say goodbye to Robbie Coltrane. There's no Hogwarts without you, Hagrid.
Umm... Hogwarts would be a lot safer with a groundskeeper not harboring a fetish for extremely dangerous creatures and a lack of common sense regarding student safety... (as much as we all like Hagrid!)
So true
RIP ❤️❤️
He was the best
I agree
It seems like Dumbledore does enjoy trolling Severus but as for the teaching position specifically, I thought he never gave him the position because something bad happens to everyone who holds it for more than a year cuz of Voldemorts curse. So it would appear Dumbledores mischievious behavior is in an endearing manner.
That's what I was thinking
I agree. I always thought he was actually looking out for Severus by not giving him the position because of the curse. When Dumbledore finally gives it to him it’s because he knows that by the end of the year he’ll be dead anyway, so he might as well allow Snape to have the position…and he needs Slughorn to return to Hogwarts.
That’s what I was about to comment as well. Seemed more like saving him for the right time
@@electricninja7493 Right, kinda seems like he did the best with what he had. It was going to take harrys sacrifice to defeat Voldemort I find it hard placing blame on Dumbledore for setting up the dominos in ways they needed to fall.
Exactly
You could argue that the reason why he refused to let Snape teach Defense Against the Dark Arts is because of the curse on the position by Riddle. By denying Snape the position he made sure that Snape would be around To help defeat Voldemort.
Yeah thats how it was presented
@@klaudiagrob No it wasn't. He didn't even mention the fact that the position is cursed let alone the reasons why each teacher was actually chosen for the role. Lockehart is a perfect example, being exposed for the fraud he truly was instead of being revered for stealing other wizards victories.
I never understood that plot point. Like, I get it... but how is it possible to curse something intangible? Couldn't Dumbledore have created a new subject with a new name but just have it use the same content as DADA? Would the curse know that they did this? Would also like to know what spell this was... the "good luck keeping staff on payroll curse"
@@shadowscythe11 It's complicated Magicy Wagicy logic 😁
yeah that's my take on it
I died when J called Potions “Soup class” 😂
Random Person - Ohh! Wow! You're a Hogwarts Professor! What do you teach?
Snape - I teach magical soup class.
Random Person - Ohh.... Wow.....
Turn your recipe books to page 394
„Today we are making Chicken Noodle Soup“
@@KosovoIsMine chicken soup for the magical soul.
I always thought it was cool that Hogwarts has their own versions of certain classes: Potions/cooking, Arithmancy/math, Care of Magical Creatures/animal science, Astronomy/astronomy and History of Magic/social studies.
I always thought the main reason Dumbledore didn't give the defense against the dark arts position to Snape was be Voldemort cursed the position, and he didn't want anything to happen to Snape. Everything else he did was just a bonus I guess.
And yet, he never tells him that, so he's just letting him hope
@@owenjames8575 how do you know dumbledore never told Snape the job was cursed?
I mean, all the students knew. How could he not?
@@boondockstallyns1479 the whole, "he keeps trying for 15 years" thing. He was clearly never told its not going to happen
@@boondockstallyns1479 besides, the students knew that harry was the heir of slytherin, and that he cheated in the triwizard tournament, and that he was lying about voldemort, and that siruis was a mass murderer and betrayed the potters. School rumors aren't really a reliable source of information.
@@owenjames8575 so? The subject was defense against the dark arts, a curse would be considered a dark art. And someone smart enough to correct his own school books while still in school that wants to teach defense probably isn't worried about a little curse.
I like this theory because it makes Dumbledore feel more like the character from book 1 who had the students sing the school song and gave his famous "nitwit, blubber, oddment, tweak" speech. He's super powerful and talented and respected, but he's also got a sense of humor.
A nasty sense of humour to be honest
@@ambiverter mostly I'm talking about the hat thing and stuff like that. To be fair tho that side of his humor isn't usually directed towards Snape
my dear Lauren I couldn't possibly agree more with you 💯
A weird sense of humor
When he kept talking about lemondrops and McGonll is like what are you talking about was so funny.
Lupin wasn't so much a bully to Snape as he was just complicit in allowing James and Sirius to bully him; Lupin was made a perfect, but really did very little to stop the others. He might not have approved of it, but really didn't stand up to them to stop it.
I'm not sure that distinction will matter much to Snape.
@@Snowshowslow True.
@@Snowshowslow Snape considers that as weakness and disrespects Lupin for that.
@R. P. He likely was sympathetic to Snape on the inside, but like you said, didn't want to lose his only friends. He was a typical teenager, can't expect any more of him.
@R. P. While true at the same time you also have to consider that those like Snape and Draco were not just as bad as their counterparts. They were worse.
Snape had been falling in with Death Eaters and honestly was always going to become one due to his own actions.
Draco nearly killed multiple people and really nothing more needs to be said. The only reason nobody died due to his actions in book 6 is sheer dumb luck.
The only person in Gryffindor who could even begin to be anywhere near their level is Sirius for him almost getting Snape killed and Peter for obvious reasons. Though Peter as far as we know only went bad after school ended unless I am mistaken.
Basically Harry, his friends, James and Lupin could all be brushed off as teenagers being Teenagers. Snape and Draco really really can't.
I do think Dumbledore was using Snape at first, but in the end. There were things Dumbledore could talk to Snape with, that he couldn't with anybody else.
also you can't have Snape, the guy who is supposed to be the guy that fooled Dumbledore. Still a death eater, right next to Dumbledore right? So he can't help Harry learn the things necessary to beat Voldamort, publicly atleast.
@@harshmoor2280 You have a Very Good Point! How would it look to Lucius Malfoy & any other Death eaters if he was teaching Harry Defense Against Voldemort & his Minion? Also it would cause Voldermort to invent ways for Snape to accidentally & inadvertently take Harry down. Sure he wants to Kill Harry Himself but he doesn't mind using other people like warm tail to get him into a vulnerable position!
The same thing happened with Harry. He had a similar mentality as Grindlewald (for the greater good) but he always lacked the ruthlessness
*true*
I always thought that Dumbledore knew the position was cursed and if he put Snape in that role he was probably going to loose Snape in some way.
My thought as well.
Yep
Definitely
I normally like J’s vids but this one was kinda fugaze
why couldn't he hire him for like 364 days of the year and switch him on the last day. would he still get cursed?
I do think that Dumbledore both kept Snape away from DaDa and hid things from him to pull his chain and to keep him safe. But I think later on Dumbledore did come to have some real fondness for Snape. The line "You know, I sometimes think we sort too soon" I believe shows more than respect, I think it also shows some fondness for Snape and perhaps regret over the way things have played out between them.
I read DaDa as "dada (father)" and not defense against the dark arts.....
I believe Snape took it as insult, and Albus knew it
@@user-vy9ll3jl3v True, but it was still probably Dumbledore’s way of showing Snape respect for his actions and his initiative against Voldemort, even if he knew that Snape would be insulted by the insinuation. I believe that Dumbledore had always regretted being so lax with Sirius and James over their constant harassment against Snape, as well as over the prank that almost got Snape killed. It was Dumbledore acknowledging how much Snape had grown over time, despite all of his bad qualities.
Well said. I have always admired how Snape braved all the criticism and hate. His triple agent status forgives all the semi-bad things he did, In the end, Snape died for Lilly, but even more importantly, for Harry and the downfall of Voldemort. It was not motivated from revenge, for Snape's revenge had already been taken on Harry for everything James did. Snape died for love.
Dumbledore kept snape from the Dark Arts because of the jinx/curse Voldemort put on the position. He couldn't risk Snape dying prematurely.
Something very few people notice is that a careful reading of Snape and Dumbledore's interactions will reveal that Dumbledore is trying to keep Snape safe by deliberately not telling him about Horcruxes or Hallows. That info is too dangerous for him if Voldemort should read it in his mind. He even closes his eyes strategically so Snape can't legilimens it out of him. He cared for Snape enough to try to eliminate that threat to his life, even if it did nothing for his personal emotional wellbeing.
But there the question is still: did he care for the person or the strategic asset?
I think Dumbledore would've seen himself in Snape, someone who took the wrong path and in so doing caused the loss of a loved one. He would've mercifully extended the opportunity to atone for his sins. No one else could've understood that grief and regret better than Dumbledore, Snape couldn't have known at the time that he'd come seeking help from the exactly right man.
@@aumathewarriormouse2549 That's a nice take :)
@@Snowshowslow Thanks! 😄
@@aumathewarriormouse2549 I love that take so why did Sirius have to rot in jail?
Dumbledore really be like “ if you sell your soul to me I will do something I was already doing for you”
It is okay to manipulate terrorists
So he's like the IRS.
I mentioned this in a reply to someone else, but after playing Hogwarts Legacy, I had a theory come to mind. Unforgivables only work if the caster _wants_ them to. Dumbledore likely knew that, as his spy on the inside, there could come a day when Snape would have to kill him. From the Pensieve memories alone, I wanted to not only use the Killing Curse on Dumbledore, but also the Cruciatous Curse, so the prolonged emotional abuse Dumbledore inflicted on Snape would be more than enough to make someone want to kill him.
Except Dumbledore wasn't doing it for Snape. He was doing it for the members of the Order of the Phoenix. Snape is just an insufferable simp
@@disableddragonbornThey literally say that you have to mean the Unforgiveables in all media they are shown in - books, movies, games... But meaning something and wanting it are two different things. Snape meant to kill Dumbledore for a myriad of reasons(mostly revolving around his simping for Lily [and now newfound creepy extension of that to Harry's eyes...] and thus defeating Vildemort), as to if he wanted him dead for the sake of him being dead, I don't think that's the case. So he technically wanted Dumbledore dead, but for completely different reasons than why dark wizards/witches want their victims dead...
"Have fun teaching soup class for the rest of the year." This one got me
I think their are some pieces you missed. First Dumbledore did not force Snape to teach Harry occlumency after the pensive incident. Second Harry could get away with disrespecting teachers but Dumbledore never let Harry disrespect Snape. Third I think the reason Snape never got the DADA is to keep up appearances, so when Voldemort returned Snape looked like a disgruntled employee and not Dumbledore’s best friend.
Snape and Dumbledore's relationship is one of the most interesting ones in the books. I think at first Dumbledore simply used Snape to further his means, but over time he grew to like him and by the end of his life. Snape was probably Dumbledore's best, most trusted and closest friend.
After McGonagall and maybe Hagrid.
@@jixer1956I wonder about that honestly, probably for a majority yes, but dumbledores last year alive, it was probably Snape. The only one he could truly confide in
I don't think Dumbledore trusts Snape because he likes him, but because Dumbledore has leverage over him. No matter what Snape won't betray him, because if he does he will ultimately doom himself
@@sudeeptoshoron4755 how?
@@LordKeram Well, the knowledge that Snape still loves Lily must be kept an absolute secret, right? Knowledge that only Snape and Dumbledore know? I'd classify that as leverage, the ability to destroy any credibility that Snape has in most pure-blood circles on a whim.
Just one thing, snape said he would do anything as long as lily was save. But she dies, doesnt that mean snape owes nothing to dumbledore?
1) Early on Snape likely held the very rational fear that if he tried to defect from the Order, one of their members would have tried to inform the Death Eaters of his betrayal, something Voldemort would have eventually brutalized him for.
2) Snape eventually came to agree with the notion of assuring that Lily's death wasn't in vain, begrudgingly agreeing to help keep the son she died for safe. This was more for his own selfish interests than Harry's, but he still nonetheless did it.
I’m sure Dumbledore always liked Snape and only bullied him in small ways like the vulture hat incident in Prisoner of Azkaban
seems accurate
If I recall correctly, that was Lupin and Neville. Dumbledore may have given him one by chance or something but the book said that he quickly swapped it at once for his own, meaning he wasn't intending to offend Snape.
@@littlefoot5013 did you watch the video? Lol
@@littlefoot5013 of course, Dumbledore did it as a joke but I’m sure it annoyed Snape a lot as that’s what everyone talked about at the time
That’s my kind of bullying here have a silly hat
Alan Rickman was one of the most versatile actors to grace our screens. RIP 💔
Here here!🍻
I’ve never seen him play anything other than something similar to snape. Then again, I’m not very well versed on British movies.
Man Allan Rickman absolutely nailed the delivery when Snape kills Dumbledore. Absolutely incredible
You could say Alan Rickman absolutely KILLED IT with that performance ;)
I love how Jon's impression of Snape sounds like Squidward 😂
"You Disgust Me" Dumbledore said calmly
And rightfully so! Dumbledore wasn't right all the time but YEAH that was uh....pretty accurate at the moment.
That statement Snape strongly deserved.
So... Dumbledore turns a blind eye to the Marauders' bullying of Snape throughout school. He also turns a blind eye to a Death Eater recruitment cell operating within Hogwarts. As a result, Snape finds the only people willing to stick up for him are the Slytherins, so to troubled victim of abuse, joining their gang seems like his only option. THEN Dumbledore gets judgmental toward Snape for turning Dark.
@@astrinymris9953 it had nothing to do with Snape turning Dark. it was the fact that Snape only asked for Lily's safety and didn't care if her husband and son were killed. and i'm not trying to justify the way Dumbledore turned a blind eye to all of the things you said, just that it shouldn't be used for the context of that line.
God imagine if the great Richard Harris lived long enough to fully portray all the sides of Dumbledore that we see later..including the dark. Gone so soon, especially in prisoner when the time first starts to shift darker. It would’ve been so interesting to see him do the darker scenes when he’s so gentle but firm in the first two movies.
Rip
If Richard Harris was around for Goblet of Fire, we wouldn't have the "Dumbledore askes calmly" jokes.
@@jasondyrkacz8270 but it would be cannon-er!
i dunno if it was about the curse at all but more about the idea of Snape being drawn towards the dark arts. like yes you may trust a recovering alcoholic to do all sorts of things but for one's own mental health and stability you would want one to avoid working for a bar. Snape enjoyed the dark arts and felt powerful from his association with it. it seems like a good friend would want to avoid tempting his friend unnecessarily
I have a feeling that Dumbledore was doing this genuinely just to make him "lighten up" a bit and stop living in the past, but also in a way how people with clinical depression being told to "lighten up" by insensitive but caring older relatives
I can see that. He probably does the same with Filch too.
Chanwills0’s portrayal of snape , dumbledore and mcgonagall and them being odd besties is my new head canon for them
I love Chinwills0's vids, but sadly I don't think this could be the case, considering how McGonagoll seems to dislike Snape in both books and movies (well, at least to me.)
Edit: Typo
@@captainyulef5845 nah that’s just house rivalry and it got nothing personal to mcgonagal
@@Priyankashinde293 Alr, fair point :>
Just because he likes to mess with Snape doesn't mean that Dumbledore doesn't like him.
I mean, they're British. Here, you insult and mess with your friends and you are polite to strangers.
@@lisahenry20I believe this is the case nearly everywhere. You'llkeep messing around w/ ur best buds but be extremely polite to the unknowns
Just as the cruciatis curse requires hatred and meaning I thought Dumbledore purposefully gave Snape constant small irritations so that when he finally had to kill Dumbledore he would be able to channel it
That would make more sense if Dumbledore started needling Snape in HBP.
Dumbledore probably was getting dicked down by several of the professors at hogwarts
While saving Draco from becoming a murderer is definitely a valid reason on its own for Snape to kill him, the more pressing concern is that Dumbledore definitely knows that Voldemort will kill whoever kills him in order to become the master of the Elder Wand. Naturally, he chooses to save the coerced and conflicted teenager over the former Death Eater.
Dumbledore did not intend for Snape to be killed in Draco's stead. He intended for Snape to gain mastery of the Elder wand, the wand that would refuse to kill it's master, to keep Snape safe. Dumbledore did not forsee Draco ruining that carefully laid plan by showing up at the tower at all that night.
@@aumathewarriormouse2549 But on top of that, Dumbledore had to have anticipated Voldemort would use some other means to kill Snape to be safe not sorry which is why it's much more likely that he only wanted Snape to inherit the allegiance of the Elder Wand as part of the protecting Harry's soul part of the famous Big Plan. The idea is that since Dumbledore wants Harry's soul to not be part of the cost of victory, he needs a middle-man to pass the Elder Wand's allegiance to him, explaining why the inclusion of the Sword of Gryffindor is part of the will, implying that it was always intended to be received post-mortem and since he's already confident that allegiance shifting to Snape despite it being an arranged death, then it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to imagine that a planned loss would work similarly
On top of that, I always thought it wouldn't do as much "damage" to Snapes soul to do that killing, as Snape knew it was basically a mercy killing (with Dumbledore having very little time left) and not a straight up murder. Where does assisted suicide/euthanasia fall in terms of soul preservation?
@@RedJLP All Harry, or anyone else for that matter has to do to gain mastery of the Elder wand is to disarm whoever is currently in possession of it. Disarm. No violence required. The Basilisk venom alloyed sword is for Horcrux hunting. Snape Is chosen to end Dumbledore's life because Snape has the requisite life experience to enact *Remorse* ensuring repair of his soul afterwards without the guilt *killing him* Compared to some innocent 17 yr old kids like Harry or Draco. (Remember Hermione read that remorse could even end someone's life) Snape is chosen also to help him and Harry reconcile afterward. Dumbledore didn't intend to lose anyone in this war, period, if he could help it.
I always thought about the Bogart scene that is was a bit odd of Lupin to be so worried about Harry's bogart, everyone else's was the scariest thing for them. To be honest if there was one he should have been worried about it was Neville's, as that could have been extremely disturbing for the entire class. His bogart could have been his parents being tortured in front of him, himself being tortured or an imagine of him in the ward at St Mungo's with his parents after being tortured until insanity. That would scare everyone in that room for life. Yet it's harry and a glorified prison guard he needs to jump in on.
It might be because whereas Neville only heard about his parents being tortured, Harry witnessed both his parents and Voldemort die. Lupin knows that, so he watches Harry’s boggart in case the Dark Lord comes out. It might even be able to use dark arts as Voldemort so maybe Lupin needs to be prepared there.
@@samuellopez479 firstly most of the other bogerts were of things people hadn't seen secondly Harry obviously wouldn't remember he was like 1. A bogart can't hurt someone. Or then it would harm people instantly. As that's more of a fear actually getting injured or k illed by said thing
Lupin says himself that he thought Voldemort would jump out. But funny thing. Before the lesson begins, Lupin asks SPECIFICALLY Neville what his biggest fear is. Since he answers with "Professor Snape" it's safe to let him fight the boggart.
@@Alex-cw3rz if it’s not capable of harming someone, which I don’t think is true, maybe in the wizard sense of they can heal nearly anything but it would certainly be dangerous to us. It can have any weapon, spike, claw or teeth possible.
More importantly if it’s not capable of harm how does it have a very similar but not as powerful happiness draining effect on Harry as a real dementor. He collapses against the boggart and hears his parents voices even against a fake.
Lupin said that he thought it would be Voldemort. Which he probably has some trauma from himself. While it is silly to focus only on Harry's, the wizarding world is very superstitious, and people are so scared of Voldemort they don't even say his real name. Seeing Voldemort himself in class would be way way worse, not only might it scare the students, but I'd imagine other teachers like McGonagall would lay into him about how irresponsible he was. I can imagine Dumbledore on his side, but even then, Lupin is just grateful to be let back in as a werewolf, he doesn't want to abuse the good will he has been given.
As for the DADA position slight, doesn't it kind of prove the opposite? That being that Dumbledore, even in "peace times" doesn't wish to see Snape ousted by the curse on the position that he knows for a fact exists?
Not really. Snape needs to be in his double agent role to remain useful to Voldemort and Dumbledore. He only gave him the job when he knew he would be dead within a year so Snape doesn't need to be a teacher after that.
@@patrickhackett7881 That's my point. Dumbledore *can't* give Snape the DADA job because after a year he will lose almost all of his leverage as a spy for both factions.
Not to mention how he laughs at Snape over Sirius' escape at the end of Prisoner of askaban
"He just suffered a disappointment"
10:18, according to Hagrid, no one but Lockhart applied since everyone else was convinced that the job was jinxed
Your Snape impression in this reminds me of the Potter Puppet Pals version of him lol excellent!
I think that Dumbledore knew that the defense against the dark arts position is cursed and knew that Snape would have to kill him. So he waited until then to make Snape the defense against the dark arts teacher. This way it actually ensured that Snape would end up being the “bad guy”.
Whether or not Dumbeldore liked Snape, that doesn't matter. Their trust was built on Snape's total emotional surrender to Dumbeldore. Albus knows the power of pure love, and that's what Snape felt for Lily, pure love. And Albus relied on that love to give Snape the urge for revenge, and that's what the trust is built on. Their trust is built on love, but not between them, but the love from Snape to Lily.
As Dumbeldore said all the time, love is powerful, and he uses Snape's love to gain a powerful soldier and spy.
Snape created his own pain. But outside Dumbledores influence, he might have had a chance to grow. Dumbledore kept him stunted and living in the past. Worse, it’s a past that was barely better than his current circumstances.
100% on this. The pain James caused him is nothing compared to the pain that came from Lilly not wanting him. James was too narcissistic to even notice snape loved Lilly so that’s not why he did it. SS became a victim of his own mind. And yeah absolutely AD let him wallow in that pain and used it to get what he needed from snape
There were huge parts of it, yes some were consequences of his own actions, but some of the most particularly tragic parts of his story were because of manipulations by Dumbledore & Voldemort
He had no other choice. Snape knew that, and he took it. And so did Dumbledore. It was the only way not only to rescue Harry, but to destroy Voldemort.
Kinda similar to how Dumbledore forced Sirius into confinement at Grimmauld Place. And maybe similar to how Dumbledore himself never got over his own past - still scarred by Arianna, reluctant to move on romantically after Grindlewald, and so gun shy after his pursuit of the Hallows that he turned down the opportunity to become the Minister of Magic where he could have done so much more good for the wizarding world.
I can't remember the last time I was so utterly fascinated by a take that I so completely disagreed with. That is SUCH an interesting perspective.
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THIS is why I think that Dumbledore should've been in Slytherin. His level of manipulation towards Severus was NEXT. LEVEL. In fact I think a LOT of the Gryffindor-Slytherin rivalry would vanish over night if they saw that a lot of their house traits overlap; being ambitious requires bravery to take that leap, being a leader requires nerve and chivalry to look after others not just yourself. Determination is both a Slytherin and Gryffindor trait just seen from different POVs; determination to fulfill your ambition or determination to be brave in the face of danger. Resourcefulness is nothing to scoff at either as how many times was Harry himself resourceful during his time in Hogwarts and on the run?
Harry I think is that PERFECT mix of Slytherin, Gryffindor, Hufflepuff, and Ravenclaw. He's ambitious, he's brave, he's determined, he's loyal, he's intelligent and rather witty at times. I almost think Hogwarts would be better off if they updated the sorting somehow. I actually think that could make for a good video idea too; does the sorting HELP Hogwarts students, or HARM them?
These videos are such nostalgic rides, i appreciate them alot 👍
The Snape impression at 2:04 is hysterical i think I watched it like 5 times....... Dumbledore is definitely loving the way he messes with Snape
Goodbye Robbie Coltrane. You will be missed, being Harry's first friend and first guide through the many turns and twists of the magical world.
Dumbledore definitely disliked Snape, although I always thought the reason he didn't let Snape teach DADA was because the position was cursed. I thought Dumbledore wanted him to stick around for a while, until the Harry's sixth year, when it was convenient for Snape to murder him and leave.
As much as I love the idea of Dumbledore constantly trolling Snape, I think the real reason he wasn't letting him take the DADA position, is he feared if Snape goy a taste of dark arts he'd slip back to his old ways.
I always just thought Dumbledore wouldn’t give Snape the DADA job because he was aware of the jinx on the position and didn’t want to lose Snape because of it.
One of the first things Dumbledore says to Snape is “You disgust me”. Doesn’t seem the best grounds for a friendship…
Maybe he actually said "you discussed me?" And he was being inquisitive about the death eater gossip about dumbledore.
nah he said "You disgust me"
He had years after that to learn better.
It's not the first thing he said to Snape: he knew him since Snape was a student and, even if we entertain the slightly absurd notion that he didn't spoke to him before just after the Shrieking Sack's incident, he did spoke to him at that time (to tell him not to talk about it). Also, while I still love Dumbledore, I've been shown how manipulative he was in that scene (the one where Snape defected) and he might have played up his disgust.
Idk people can go from disliking to someone to being their friend
Dumbledore didnt let snape become the dark arts teacher because he knew it was cursed
I love messing with my closest friends all the time. Also, Dumbledore did not make him the DADA teacher because he knew of the curse. He allowed Snape to teach the class only when it was absolutely necessary. Just before open war.
"You disgust me." Yeah, I don't think that opinion ever changed, but I also believe that as Snape did feel remorse, Dumbledore took every opportunity to grind the regret deeper. I always felt he (Snape) was left in the potions position because that's where his best friend beat him in school.
I think that he doesn’t hire snape for defence against the dark arts because after every year they disappear which is exactly what snape does after getting the job
Yep
But they dont have to, he could just simply move back to teach potions, the only real stipulation around the curse is not being able to hold the position in consecutive years
I think so many people forget about that line. Disgust is one of the most adverse reactions a person can have. For Dumbledore to say that Snape disgusts him is an incredible insult from one who is usually so good at seeing the light in people.
Would you be disgusted by someone who wants to keep the person he's obsessed about alive, but her husband and child could die for all he cares? There might have even been suspicion that he wanted Voldemort to spare Lily so he could have her.
The right reaction is disgust.
@@patrickhackett7881 you're reading further into this than you should. Snape knows he can't ask for more than Lily's life. He doesn't suggest that the other two can simply be offed.
He, like most humans, has priorities.
@@danielbridges3730 Wrong. Snape hates James and James' baby.
11:15 "Have fun teaching soup class another year." Made me laugh XD
A little disappointed that you didn't mention Robbie Coltrane at all. R.I.P. to the perfect Hagrid
I think that Dumbledore definitely cared for Snape, but also pitied him. Snape was a man ruled by his bitterness and regret, and I think that Dumbledore saw a bit of himself in him.
Despite this, Dumbledore recognizes that he needs to put Snape in his place sometimes, and he doesn’t hesitate to do so, and even seems amused by Snape’s reactions. He also recognizes that, though he may have warmed to Snape and that Snape may be working against Voldemort, Snape is still not a good person. So Dumbledore definitely doesn’t hesitate to make Snape kill him, as he sees Snape as already corrupted.
Dumbledore is shown to appreciate Snape in his own way though. He thanks Snape genuinely for helping him to keep his diseased hand at bay and tries his best throughout the series to get Snape to lighten up and enjoy his life while he can. At the same time, Dumbledore also knows that he must always put his greater mission above Snape’s well-being. In a way, Dumbledore kinda treated Snape like a protege or son.
Ok that dad joke about pupils got me.
But seriously I honestly do not think Dumbledore has any friends just tools.
Maybe McGonagall? Possibly Hagrid? Not a whole lot, for sure...
@@Snowshowslow I think like Snape and Newt he trusted Hagrid. I am sure Hagrid thinks they are friends, but like Newt came to realize in the last movie pawns matter little to the player using them. Dumbledore and Voldemort and Grindlewald are three people cut from the same cloth. The difference is 2 out the 3 lost something important. If ol Albus was never there for his sister's death he would not be a decent person and if WB had the courage it would be that the reason Grindlewald lost that duel is because in the end he couldnt kill the man he loved.
As for McGonagil...power respects power. She was the Hermione of her day where I think Albus was Harry. For all we joke on Harry's skill I think in a one on one battle he could take Hermione but she has him beat on just pure knowledge. Could Albus beat her, yeah, but he knows she would curse the mess out of him and he wouldn't see it coming. To be frank I think they had an asexual relationship. They both loved deeply and lost that love for their own reasons. They both understood how great they couldve been. I dont think they ever go to the three broomsticks together but personally I think she would be the closest to friend he would let himself have.
Glad to see that the Theory from JvsBen got a full Video
Love that we got to see the idea for this video being born in the last J vs Ben! It is also fun to follow someone's creative process! And a great video, will from now on only be referring to potions as soup class! Hilarious
Don't forget that Dumbledore was raising Snape like a pig for slaughter, with the whole elder wand thing.
I think the whole point of refusing to let Snape teach DADA was because he knew Snape would be out of the school by the end of the year and was too valuable to loose until Dumbledore was about to die
Love that you made this video.
As always this video is super entertaining, thank you for making this.
Snape and Hagrid are my favorite teachers.
Even back in Sorcerer's Stone I liked Snape & if I was a Wizard I would've learned very much from him and convinced him to give me genuine private extra potions lessons.
As for that first encounter between Snape & Dumbledore I suspect that "threat" was actually a test if Snape genuinely cared.
As for the 1st Year feast thing, to be fair Snape shows excessive favoritism to Slytherin students so the winning points could be suspicious.
Also, Gilderoy did teach the students the dangers of Pixies!
For the rest of the years he didn't want to endanger Snape with Voldy's curse on the Defense Against Dark Arts position.
Additionally, that Vulture Hat thing I think he was trying to get Snape to have a sense of humor about things.
What I also think falls under the table a lot (mostly due to the film casting. Which is no shade against Alan Rickman, who was a god at playing Snape!!) is the fact, that Snape is 21!!! when he shows up at Dumbledore's and asks for all this
And I know, 21, your legally of age and an "adult" but lets face it, most people still need some time to grow and act quite childish from time to time
especially when you have a young adult, who went through a sh*t childhood, was mobbed and picked on during school and then drifted into a massmurdering cult and never had the opportunity to actually grow and reflect on himself who is confronted by Dumbledore, an old dude who has his own very troubling, very controverse history being an entitled d*ck
I don't think Snape is a good person but f*ck, he never had anyone giving him a chance, so I'm not gonna start throwing stones at him for being a nasty little sh*t
He was adult for 4 years already. It’s 17 for wizards.
He bullied schoolchildren well into his 30s
I hear you. It was quite a lot of weight on him, although in the same way, it was the same for many of the members of the OOTP
"Have fun teaching soup class!"
I think that's my favourite line
4:22 This got me thinking...
Snape's response of "Anything..." once Lily and James are dead, Snape COULD have gone back on his word with Dumbledore, and stopped playing double agent. UNLESS Snape and Dumbledore made an unbreakable vow regarding these terms (which, yeah, you break it you die. But if you stop playing double agent, the bad guy will also kill you 🤷♂️)
If someone killed the person you loved, you'd be at their beck and call?
Snape wants revenge. That's why he stays.
We loved you Allan Rickman + Robbie Coltrane
“Including showering…there will be no more of that.” That was 1. HILARIOUS and 2. It sounded like Merlin from Disney’s Sword in the Stone!! 😂😂😂 Like…it really does sound like Merlin
Hey guys! Love your content. Just a quick question - I have watched your video on your rankings/tier list of the HP movies, have you ever done anything like that for the books (video or pod)? Would love to hear your takes on the books against one another, as I know you're books > movies of course! Anyway, keep up the great content!
Omg!! The entire dialogue of “Dumbledore” talking to Snape about Lupin was AMAZING!! Hilarious! Comedy gold! “Soup class” was amazing
I'm curious if you'd do a series where Neville really was the chosen one
YES MAKE IT HAPPEN!
Yessss!!!
Aww yes, another 7 Parter!!!!!
11:16 "Have fun teaching soup class" !!! XD
Your Dumbledore impressions when hiring new Teachers were absolutely hilarious j!
I like to think Expelliarmus isn’t really Harry’s “signature” spell but just the only defensive spell he knows.
He knows and uses Protego, Paralitis and Petrificus Totalus throughout the books and effectively against death eaters.
And it being his signature spell is a thing in the last book. It's how the death eaters recognize the real Harry during the escape of the 7 Harries.
@@TakesTwoToTangoNot to mention Impedimenta, Stupefy, EXPECTO PATRONUM!
hello ! really cool video as always ! but do disagree on one point (or two)
first I think potion teachers are rare, like a lot more than defence against the dark arts, we saw how many teachers that can accomplish the job. that is the first reason he wants the master of potions on this job
then, in the Half-Blood Prince, we learn that Dumbledore wanted Slug to come back but kept denying the offer. He only took the job because he didn't want to join the death eaters, who were trying to recruit him, and because of Harry. He wanted to collect him now he's old enough to join his so called club
Indeed maybe his choices concerning the teachers recruiting (Lockhart, Lupin and Moody) was especially to annoy him. I can't disagree with that part.
and about the ministry. isn't it because Dumby "couldn't" find anymore teacher or because they keep changing every year that he was obliged to LET Fudge choose a teacher for Hogwarts ? we know he can't stand the ministry, so I don't think he got a chance de decline or he would have.
I'm sorry about this quite long comm. I'm from France, so hope everything was alright
the "Say what." at 13:14 has me dying lol 🤣🤣
I read a lot of comments an many people seem to believe Dumbledore was protecting Snape from the curse, if only to keep Snape around for the future and as an agent against death eaters. I wish you has addressed this question in the video, your humor was spot on and looks like many were laughing along with you too! I do enjoy your quizzes but i never do as well as you both and I even use the multiple choice when it is onscreen! I wish you the best on your upcoming stream.
With the points for the house cup at the end of year one, I don't know if the slytherins earned those point legitimately. Snape is seen taking point from all the other houses for the littlest stuff, while turning a blind eye to all the rule breaking of the slytherins. Seems like Snape is trying to Rig the house cup in his favor, Dumbledore was just evening the odds.
I think the only House that doesnt skew the points is Hufflepuff, I also dont think Ravenclaw cares about the House Cup since most points are gained by being a jock.
I think, that Slytherin never really only worked hard for the House Cup. Keep in mind, that Snape took pleasure in taking points from other houses without any specific reason, so other houses were really robbed of the cup, as long as Snape was the teacher.
This is a man who tried to murder Neville's pet toad then took points away when it didn't die, abusing the point system isn't even a blip on the radar when it comes to Snape's vileness
12:54 love how you completely turned into Squidward with no hesitation whatsoever
Love the way you do their voices😂😂
Snape made the unbreakable vow to Dumbledore. My theory
Snape didn’t want to kill Dumbledore at all. You can tell cause usually Avada kadavra is green, but when Snape used it on Dumbledore it was blue
That’s only in the movies. In the book it’s described his face was full of rage and hatred at Dumbledore
Thank you for the video! I absolutely love your impressions of Snape, and Dumbledore. 😉
11:17 “Have fun teaching soup class” 💀
I love this channel! These videos are amazing!
One of the undeniable talents of JK is her ability to craft complex characters who are very believable. Dumbledore is extremely complex, being someone who projects a persona of affable and elderly man while being a scheming mastermind who has to steal his heart to do untenable things to attain a noble goal. Sometimes I think he wears the mask of companionable old man because he wishes it was who he was on the inside as well. Consequently, Snape’s willingness to do literally anything to save his friend - and his ability to follow through for over a decade - just goes to highlight his everlasting love for Lilly. I mean, wow, think how hard it all had to have been.
Great video. Keep up the good work. :)
One thing that i personally noticed is that when Snape says "You were raising him like a pig to slaughter?!" Dumbledore doesn't apologize or even try to defend himself. This is because Dumbledore doesn't think highly enough of Snapes character to act like Snape has any kind of moral high ground on him even for a second.
He knows that he is doing a vary cold and machiavellian thing by planning for Harrys death. He just won't let Snape of all people judge him on it which really says a lot about their relationship.
Was what Dumbledore planned for Harry really all that cold and heartless? It was Machiavellian to be sure, but as far as he understood, Harry dying to destroy the greatest evil the wizarding world had ever seen was a fate that was already prophecized beyond anyone's ability to change. He did what he did to ensure the greatest reduction of harm possible, and the second he caught wind that it might be possible for Harry to survive via the Horcrux in him, he adjusted his plans to ensure that to the best of his ability
@@fossfox Those things are the minimum. But i understand what your saying and i do agree. Dumbledore is also only doing whats necessary for the ultimate defeat of Voldemort. Even sacreficing himself for it. But most of the things he does are kind of cold.
Like have you ever noticed that the majority of Hogwarts employees are vary competent yet they depend on Dumbledore a disproportionate amount of time? As in Dumbledore protects all of them somehow from the wider wizarding society? McGanagall is a deeply traumatized individual with bad experiences in Wizarding society, Trelawney is seen as a hack by most people, Flitwick presumably faced some level of discrimination as a part Goblin, Snape and Hagrid are technicallly criminals, Slughorn is being hounded by death eaters, Lupin is a werewolf, ETC. The only person who to my knowledge doesn’t depend on Dumbledore that much is Professor Sprout. Who appears to be the one Dumbledore also relies upon the least.
My theory is that Dumbledore inteltionally lets vary talented and disperate people flock to him so he has a lot of completely loyal, highly competent, tools in the shed if needed. Which is not necessarily a bad thing as both Dumbledore and these people get something out of it, but its vary opportunistic and kind of creepy. Because this is fundamentally who Dumbledore is as a person. Someone who does questionable things for the greater good. After all he came up with that slogan didn’t he? He is also awere of these tendencys of his and does try to minimize them so that is also worth something.
Nice sweater J!
Just went to the shop and got the new Jim Kay illustrated copy of Order of the Phoenix today. It's so thick compared to the rest and the illustrations are just as great as ever!
An already 870-page book with illustrations? That's gotta be the size of a phone book.
@@coolnerdlll6053 the dimensions are larger than the orginal non illustrated ones, it's 560 pages, put in comparison illustrated Philosopher Stone is 245 pages
I bought mine last week. Still reading though because I don't get enough time to read.
Also, it's the last Jim Kay book. Apparently the poor man has gone mad. I wonder who will do the last three?
@@kellysouter4381 two thing you 2 and he said for his mental health not that he'd gone mad
I always just assumed Dumbledore didn’t give Snape a defense against the dark arts position because he knew it was cursed
The Christmas dinner thing could just be friends bein friends. Lord knows I mess with my friends all the time😂
12:56 your Snape voice is hilarious here 😂😂😂
There is no doubt that position is cursed and the audience knows it - but with all this evidence there is no doubt that Dumbledore took shot after to shot to mess with Snape and that’s the kinda details we keeping coming back for!
Arguably the reason Dumbledore didn't hire Snape as the Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher is because he knows the position is cursed and wants to keep Snape around.
How strict is the "you need to mean it" mantra when casting an unforgivable curse? Is a sense of duty a strong enough substitute for Snape to cast the killing curse at Dumbledore, or did he actually mean it? Or, is he strong enough he can do it as he pleases.
"Soup class" is one of the most funny things I've ever heard
While people saying that DADA is curse, I'd like to point out that, it would be a even bigger D move for Dumbledore behalf, by letting Snape teach in DADA without him knowing that it was curse and suffer the fate of his most trusted ally.
I think he didn't want to give snake any more reason to say no
@@reinkdesigns I mean yeah, he did give Snape the part on HBP, But it more of act of kindness, given he is making him kill him. I think at least.
Seems like Lili is the only person had ever shown Snape any kindness in the wizarding world, that explains why he never smile
and then he joined a hate group that targeted people like her, had to be blackmailed into not letting her husband and child die so that he could swoop in like a white knight after, and then a decade after her death he singled out her child for torment beyond what he normally doles out to the children he has a position of power. As much as he claimed to love Lily he had to have his arm twisted to live up to it, and spat on the memory of her kindness every chance he got.
Dude this one had me ROLLING 😂😂😂 The impressions killed me
Lol the squidward voice for snape was incredible. 😂
I think there’s also something to be said about Snape being able to kill Dumbledore. To be able to cast the killing curse, you have to mean it, you have to want to destroy the person you’re aiming it at. Snape did it on command. And I think Dumbledore knew he would be able to because of the enmity between them. The only reason to continue as Dumbledore’s pawn was that he hated Voldemort even more for killing Lily and wanted him destroyed.
I think it was a mercy killing though. Snape wanted to kill him because it was what Dumbledore wanted because it positioned him to bring Voldemort down. His respect for Dumbledore was the source of his conviction to kill him.