Living a full life equals engaging all your first four functions. You are spot on. Carl Jung developed his typology by watching his patients who had mental problems because they overdid one function in their preferred attitude.
This is why I joined a theatre group some years ago. I was not good at acting and I hated being on stage the first time I did it, but I learned so much. It was a whole other world I discovered. Your video just helped me understand why I ever thought the theatre group would be a good idea :)
@@justcallmejon22 I actually really liked it after some initial embarrassments :) It is unfortunately too time intense for me to do continously, and also, I noticed that I simply do not understand most of the female characters on a very fundamental level. Usually, there are fussy mothers, hopelessly in love girls, nurses, etc. Acting is about bringing different parts of yourself to the spotlight while deemphasizing others - but how the hell am I supposed to bring something to the spotlight that I don't really have in the first place? But I'd love to do it again if I actually get a role that is a little closer to home.
I used to work out at home because you know, shame haha, but going to the gym is helping me a lot with my Se, it makes you have interactions and leave the house and do some things that makes you feel shame (like bulgarian split) but also has a purposed, so I don't feel like losing my time.
This explains why I am so passionate about my violin when I was in high school. Why I am in love with music in the first place. It's because I love the sensation of a sound coming from the high pitch note. It's pleasing to my ears. I was able to express my emotions through it. By the help of my Ni dom, I was able to learn the music theory quickly. I discovered circle of fifths before knowing that it already existed. My Se strength comes from hearing. It shows why I am relaxed when I hear the sound of the rain from our rooftop. Se in general is awareness from the external world. I'm INTJ and I might be wrong describing Se.
The sensor friend part... Yes, making friends with sensors will help intuitives engage with the lower functions! I have a friend who is high Se user and I don't get why she is so passionate about Se stuff. She always encourage me to join her on trips, and new experiences, but doing those really helped me engage with the world although it's not natural for me to do so. I think if we help each other out, we can help everyone improve!!!
First of all, this ia a great video. Explains most of what I've figured out myself. This is a very personal topic for me. This is one of the issues that will kinda fix itself later in life for you, but know that you dont have to wait for it. 1) As Jon said - you have to accept that there is another way of doing things besides your Ni. You have to ackknowledge that it exists, it's a part of you and that you want to do it. Things are going to go way off plan, you might get embarassed but that's the point. For me it was an literal fight with me internal self telling me all the horrors of not following my intuition and telling me that it's not me. 2) Motivation. This imo is the most important topic for the life of any INTJ in general but you need a reason to engage with Se, at least for practice at first. For me the solution was arguing myself into it. I could never fool myself so when it convinced myself that there's no other way of getting what I want other than Se way things started working. 3) Satisfaction from the results. Tbh I'm still working at this. I'm mostly still at the point where it all comes down to Te for me, so I enjoy fixing problems and accomplishing goals. I still dont know wtf "runners high" is even though I have been running almost everyday for 3 years at this point. I dont enjoy hanging out with other people or doing spontaneous stuff even though I know that I want to do it. The part about developing motivations for talking to other people is actually the exact same for me. I figured out the most important thing that other people can give me is perspective. I figured out I dont wanna talk about their opinions, knowledge or accolades because that's going to cause a debate which they wont like, but perspective I'm always a sucker for. Si people talking about how people I changed or how people keep changing all the time is the source of endless debate for me. I figured out that we're just talking about different things. For an INTJ we look at what people are, so people never change for us. INTJ will never become an INTP. Si people see people for how they're presenting (because that's how they see themselves as) so if the presentation changed that means the person has changed internally for them. You're never going to explain to an Si person what the difference is and how they're getting fooled by people performing their presentation all the time.
That last paragraph hits hard. It really is interesting that as clueless as INTJs are to Fe, our Fi/Se can tell if someone is performing and that it's not really who they are. I laughed at the runner's high comment. I remember thinking the same thing and then it hit me that my mind was blank and I was actually noticing people's faces, the color of the leaves, and the sound of nature passing by. It really is just living in the moment 😀
@@justcallmejon22 I'm pretty sure the same mechanism as empathy is at work here, so it's either Ni-Fi or Fi-Ne, depending how you believe your shadow functions activate.
Im so glad this youtube account exists. I dont have to search for anything specific on your page. I just click the video in knowledge it WILL work for me and gives me Value. Thanks you keep it up even if that Video was hard to do. It teached me a lot
Great video Jon! As an INTJ, my closest friend the last 5 years is an ESFP and dang I learned a lot about Se and Fi. I think that it truly pushed me in a good way to have her as a friend In 2022 and 2023 I decided that I had to improve my Se a lot in alignment to my goal so I socialized a lot with people until they started to think I was an extrovert. It took me a while but now I make it seem natural. I think Se reminds me to live in the present moment and it makes life more satisfying for me. One of the great points you talked about is failure and how we don’t want to show our vulnerability. Second hand embarrassment is so real for me 😬 I decided that 2024 was the year I put myself out there and that’s exactly why I created my TH-cam channel around learning things. It’s primarily a selfish way to push me outside of my comfort zone and get comfortable with failure but also a way to show that you are not a master at something directly, you start as a beginner. My daily guitar journey has been fun so far and it showed me that people are more positive and cheering that I thought. You explained Se very well, thanks Jon! -Nadia
"Until they started to think I was an extrovert" but are you? Did you successfully become an extrovert, or are you just pretending like a "fake it 'til you make it" strategy? My problem is I used to trick all my friends into thinking I'm an extrovert but on the inside I was still an introvert and having a terrible time. So should I sacrifice my innate urges in the name of pleasing others and fitting in? And on the flip side it's also bad to completely indulge my instincts and then would only be alone all the time. I was actually someone who was over socialized as a child with tons of friends, so I have had the opposite experience of reducing my friends (many were surface level) and social interactions, which has lead to me living a more fulfilling and less fake life. But if I am not careful then I will end up cutting off all contact and living in a mountain somewhere lol. It's a delicate balance and a tough situation for us INTJs :)
@@QMS9224 You misunderstand what I said. It's not about being an extrovert or pretending, not at all actually. It is about being comfortable in social skills, having the capacity to talk to anyone naturally from my own strengths. When I said: "until they started to think I was an extrovert", it meant that they saw I was comfortable enough to talk to them to think that I was an extrovert. Because people make the connection between being social and being extrovert automatically (even though, it's not always the case). My goal never has been to become an extrovert or pretending, it was to have the social skills that I want to be able to talk to anyone in any situation based on my own personality. I never tricked anyone, I'm just being myself more and more using all my functions. That's a big difference with what you said because I'm having a great time being myself. I have extremely high standards about the people who are close to me. All my close friends are people that bring value to my life. I have no time to have BS people around me so I cut off everyone like that in my life a long time ago. I was alone for a long time but it's a must to go through If you want to attract people that you really like. Having the capacity to communicate, express yourself and be social is something that as INTJs we struggle with so we have to work on acquiring them and be natural about it. Having Se as a function is actually a blessing because we have the capacity to do it, it's just practice. I will never be an ESFP but I can be an INTJ with Se that can work for me, because it's just different and different doesn't mean one is better than the other. That's why for me, discovering that I was an INTJ was the best thing that happened to me. I finally have the knowledge to know what I need to work on in my life with more clarity. Knowing how you are helps you to challenge yourself. People see the MBTI functions as categories and limitations, I see it as possibilities.
ESFPs really are the best at helping us improve and I was lucky enough to be surrounded by them at an early age. Good work on your youtube channel and getting outside of the comfort zone! We'll continue to improve together ✊
I went to a cosplay event yesterday on Sunday and people asked me to take pictures with them. I panicked when it came to posing. I ended up posing and acted in the moment. I panicked I was not good at posing or I look weird and my clothes messy. I'm glad I got to experience all that because I get to learn the way people act and get more Se information just by going out. I like learning something new. Another story: I went on a trip to another country last month and got very irritated and stressed and do not know what to get out of the experience. It lacked a point or a Te purpose- I can't just have fun. What is fun even for? to improve motivation and happiness ofr a person?
We have fun but that has to be in TE way like going to see tigers in real jungle to study about their behavior that's fun for me not going random country for no reason
Fun isn't a utility for life, it's the purpose of life itself. You also can't think your way into fun, but you can certainly think your way out of fun. I think a better mindset would be trying to live in the moment, rather than trying to have fun. That way it takes the pressure off, you don't NEED to feel any certain way. All you need to do in be present and not worry about the future. For me I am an over thinker like yourself, and I grew up in a musical family performing since I was little. I used to get horrible stage fright, wondering what everyone would think of me and whether I would mess up. But I realized that the anxiety that I thought was fear, could be just as easily channeled into excitement. Using placebo, I would "trick" myself into thinking oh I'm not nervous, I'm excited! "It lacked point or purpose" the thing is, there is no point or purpose to anything. Happiness is not the end goal, but rather fulfillment. Things like feeling sad, lonely, angry etc can be just as fulfilling as feeling "happy" and having "fun". So rather than focusing on the emotion, you should try just accepting that there is no purpose to the trip. It's not supposed to be fun, or not fun. It could be anything. But that's cool that you got to go on a trip, to see a friend :) you should just be grateful for that, rather than trying to force anything. The trip will be what it will be, you can't change anything by thinking about it. And as for the cosplaying (love Raiden btw hehe) you should focus on each person you interact with and study them, rather than focusing inward on yourself. Try to always project outwards, each photo, pose, person asking for photo, is a new moment and use that to distract yourself FROM yourself lol. I relate to this alot and good luck w your cosplay :)
I grew up wanting to cosplay so you're living my childhood dream! Who did you go as? In regards to the trip with your mom, I've learned that traveling means embracing a new culture. Each state in the US operates a little different similar to how each country is a little different. Hawaii has blue stop signs in certain areas, Washington state has candycane style stop signs, Utah has nasty potable water, Vietnam doesn't care much about recycling, etc. There's always something to learn and that eventually became my favorite part of traveling.
@@justcallmejon22 That's interesting information about different countries! I went to the con as serial designation J from murder drones. The show is my favorite show. J is a scary ESTJ who is mean to N for not doing the job right.
Thanks for the video, I think by heightening senses, its proportionately strengthens Ni processing of concrete data from Se. Its just like playing an rpg game with character having an "appraisal" skill. Something along those lines
Fantastic video. As an ENFJ, although my Se is tertiary, I had trouble loving it myself because I had always received messaging that it is an immature function, overly indulgent and impulsive, shallow, etc. Now I really have learned to embrace Se especially knowing that these descriptions are very 1 dimensional and not at all getting the true value of the function. Reading body language, staying fit, quick responses in the heat of a moment, getting into action with my Ni plans, seeing life for what it is and still enjoying its daily pleasures, appreciating art and visceral experiences, acting, fashion sense, and much more. I think the examples you gave such as the movie Interstellar, and even something as simple as a well-timed joke, all of it are things that an INTJ can benefit from integrating into their own lives. Also, you bringing up the importance of Fi valuing certain things before Te will hold to it, and then that bleeds into the Se was great to point out.
I feel like I'm preaching to the choir talking to an ENFJ about Se but yeah dude, Se encompasses so many aspects of our lives that I feel like basic descriptions don't do it justice 😅
You go a little hard, don't push INTJs ^^ 😆 I agree Se encompass a lot of things (personal, people, physical...) I improve Se alone at home, with Te and Fi, doing the things I like. When use Te, it automatically involves/brings Se. (making video, write, paying attention to the details & words, drawing, painting, exercice, observing the details in the present, be in the present physically...) Every INTJ is different and will improve their Se in different way corresponding to them. I guess your advice correspond for typical INTJ, and who are not enneatype 5. However, if Neurodivergent : Gifted, Asperger, ADHD and if on spiritual journey : _I don't recommend to go outside (sensitive nervous system, sensory issues, overload, hypersensitivity) or only at night. _Don't need to have Sensors friends, or to talk about meaningless things (not fulfilling for our Ni, annoying, boring, depressing, feel empty). _Don't use Se inferior the same way Se dom use it : it's not yourself, you may end-up exhausted, stressed, not satisfied, burn out. Follow your intuition, listen to yourself. We can do it in your 10's, 20's when our functions still develop, but after, it's more enjoyable to come back to our natural functioning. Definitely feel better, happier, at peace. Also depends of the enneatype and instinctual variants. That's why I asked in the past your enneatype if you know it. An INTJ e8 ADHD friend, was too pushy/impulsive forcing other INTJs to go outside & socialise. Be aware of the limit of our own Se capacity can be great, every INTJ have different Se tolerance/capacity.
I'm 5w4 and I think you misunderstood the message of the video. I'm not telling anyone to do anything if they don't want to. There has to be an Fi value attached to progress and if an INTJ doesn't care about improving Se, then don't. I still recommend engaging with Se and having sensor friends for those that want to improve because it's probably the easiest way to progress in the journey of Se mastery 😬
Wow, love this video and can relate to all. As Intj who pass through all the levels(but still not perfect) people always think that I am different type. But its true, You are healthy if you not on the stigma of your type . Now I think about how we can split every function to different sides like you did to Se, its so interesting, thank you and keep with the videos!
Hi Jon, as always, love your videos. They give me new directions of thought and help me identify my own strengths and weaknesses as a solid INTJ. I say "solid" because I have taken the MBTI test approximately once every decade (I'm almost 60 now) and I have always come up INTJ. The latest stats are I-93% N-80% T-71% J-81% and A-69%. The only stat that ever changed was the last. I initially tested as turbulent as opposed to assertive but A seems to be steadily rising as I age. You once replied to a comment I made on a previous video of yours that you thought I sounded as though I was pretty in touch with my Se. I gave it some thought and I think that there are two main factors which may explain this. One is that I love being out in nature. And I adopted an early habit of consciously engaging ALL my physical senses when being outdoors. Not only seeing things, but examining textures, listening to the cacophony of sounds present, identifying and tasting various wild edibles and of course, stopping to "smell the roses". The other factor is that I also adopted early on a habit of trying to put myself in the shoes of others. Trying to figure out why people do the things they do as I observe them and even when I disagree with their methods or actions, making a sincere effort to see things from their perspectives. Don't get me wrong, when I see people doing things "the hard way" (especially at work) it still drives me absolutely batty internally, but I have learned to let go of my control freak tendencies and mitigate my Fi impulses to avoid too dominant attempts to "educate" them. I fortunately learned to adopt a sense of humility and accept that there are more ways than one to "skin a cat". 🙂 Anyway, thanks again for another insightful video sir.
I remember the previous comment about you mentioning that you enjoy being outdoors. Keep commenting my friend, there are lots of younger/ underdeveloped INTJs that you can help with your knowledge 🙏
@@justcallmejon22 Well, thank you for the kind response. 🙂 Truth is, I have been considering creating a playlist on my own humble little channel and calling it "An INTJ's perspective on..." and addressing various topics as many of my friends/family have told me that my views are rather unique and insightful. That of course would be for others to decide for themselves though. Far be it for me to tell anyone else how to live their lives or what to believe, but I would be honored to provide any new avenues of consideration for others who are interested.
You should do more videos like the last part of your video. It felt more genuine at the end. I also like how you incorporated the mic in hand for a video on Se.
I'm sooooo comfortable with my JOMO but It feels like everyone's nudging me towards the opposite direction. Most of the time I don't care cause I know myself and I know what I'm doing and I'm willing to face the results of my choices but when I'm feeling low, it hits me hard. Suddenly it feels like everything's falling apart and there's no one who gets it. And I don't know at that time if I was wrong the whole time. It's feeling lonely pro max 😭 😭 😭
@@shadowcat4620 I can't fully relate to how you feel, maybe a little, but you can find a new interest that you know have nice passionate people and make new friends that understands you.
@@RaidenShogun.. I have a lot of people around me who love me and appreciate me but I'm back at expressing myself so even when they are very understanding I don't feel understood because they understand my picture not me🙃 I need to work on my Se
The first part of progress is accepting that progress is needed. Take your time on improving yourself and learn to enjoy it. Life is meant to be lived, my friend ✊
my extroverted sensing is the worst! no matter how hard i try even while walking i will always find myself having distracted by something, something is there always contemplating, news, thinking this that, what i should do or say next, whether what i just did was right and more. However when i do try to be in present, i lose my calm. I turn vigilant and anxious.
My mom was a Se dom when I was little she would enroll me in swimming lessons and Jazz dancing because I was the type that stayed in my room read books and engaged with my imagination as an INTP she definitely had a strong presence I think she was an ESTP she would tell me to get out and do something outside so that burst my bubble lol! .
My mom forced me to go to parties and social gatherings with her as a child. I used to hate it but I appreciate it now since I've learned so much during those moments 😅
Huh. I've never let fear of failure stop me from doing what I want to do in the moment. Who cares if other people don't like my dancing? I wasn't doing it for them. The impulsive kind of things, I'm more inclined to follow my impulses. I'm sure I've got plans that will cover me if I fail on such a small scale matter. I'm more likely to not do something out of fear of failure if the thing I want to do is more complex. Because then I want to come up with a plan to do it reasonably well the first time.
Touch grass is a metaphor and it simply just means to go outside. Go outside to get some sunlight, go outside to engage with the world, go outside to meet people.
I'm not sure what's being ask so I can't provide an exact answer. What school of thought are we referring to? Superego as in Freud terms or in John Beebe's model or another?
Yes. I have social anxiety and people usually notice it and point it out to me which makes it even worse and I get more self concious- I think the best way is to look at another direction when that happens.
There is no such thing as overexplaining as long as the information is useful and not repeated unnecessarily.
I needed to hear that so I appreciate it 🙏
@@justcallmejon22 my pleasure. I wanted to make it into a joke by overexplaining my statement but couldn't make it sound funny.
Dude you have a very high level understanding of this stuff. Thank you for sharing. It really helps
Always happy to help 😀
Living a full life equals engaging all your first four functions. You are spot on. Carl Jung developed his typology by watching his patients who had mental problems because they overdid one function in their preferred attitude.
Carl Jung's a smart dude 😀
This is why I joined a theatre group some years ago. I was not good at acting and I hated being on stage the first time I did it, but I learned so much. It was a whole other world I discovered.
Your video just helped me understand why I ever thought the theatre group would be a good idea :)
Happy for you! I tried Improv and I learned the extent of comfortability for Se. I also learned that I didn't care enough to keep going 🙃
@@justcallmejon22 I actually really liked it after some initial embarrassments :) It is unfortunately too time intense for me to do continously, and also, I noticed that I simply do not understand most of the female characters on a very fundamental level. Usually, there are fussy mothers, hopelessly in love girls, nurses, etc. Acting is about bringing different parts of yourself to the spotlight while deemphasizing others - but how the hell am I supposed to bring something to the spotlight that I don't really have in the first place?
But I'd love to do it again if I actually get a role that is a little closer to home.
I used to work out at home because you know, shame haha, but going to the gym is helping me a lot with my Se, it makes you have interactions and leave the house and do some things that makes you feel shame (like bulgarian split) but also has a purposed, so I don't feel like losing my time.
I fear the Bulgarian Split because it hurts so good! I swear that's one of the best and most intense workout so kudos on your for doing it!
You are brave to train yourself against your natural inclinations. Hat off.
Thank you and I hope it inspires people to do the same 🙂
This explains why I am so passionate about my violin when I was in high school. Why I am in love with music in the first place. It's because I love the sensation of a sound coming from the high pitch note. It's pleasing to my ears. I was able to express my emotions through it. By the help of my Ni dom, I was able to learn the music theory quickly. I discovered circle of fifths before knowing that it already existed. My Se strength comes from hearing. It shows why I am relaxed when I hear the sound of the rain from our rooftop. Se in general is awareness from the external world. I'm INTJ and I might be wrong describing Se.
You did a great job describing Se and it's alignment with Fi 😃
The sensor friend part... Yes, making friends with sensors will help intuitives engage with the lower functions! I have a friend who is high Se user and I don't get why she is so passionate about Se stuff. She always encourage me to join her on trips, and new experiences, but doing those really helped me engage with the world although it's not natural for me to do so. I think if we help each other out, we can help everyone improve!!!
You sound like a supportive anime character in your last sentence 😃
First of all, this ia a great video. Explains most of what I've figured out myself.
This is a very personal topic for me. This is one of the issues that will kinda fix itself later in life for you, but know that you dont have to wait for it.
1) As Jon said - you have to accept that there is another way of doing things besides your Ni. You have to ackknowledge that it exists, it's a part of you and that you want to do it. Things are going to go way off plan, you might get embarassed but that's the point. For me it was an literal fight with me internal self telling me all the horrors of not following my intuition and telling me that it's not me.
2) Motivation. This imo is the most important topic for the life of any INTJ in general but you need a reason to engage with Se, at least for practice at first. For me the solution was arguing myself into it. I could never fool myself so when it convinced myself that there's no other way of getting what I want other than Se way things started working.
3) Satisfaction from the results. Tbh I'm still working at this. I'm mostly still at the point where it all comes down to Te for me, so I enjoy fixing problems and accomplishing goals. I still dont know wtf "runners high" is even though I have been running almost everyday for 3 years at this point. I dont enjoy hanging out with other people or doing spontaneous stuff even though I know that I want to do it.
The part about developing motivations for talking to other people is actually the exact same for me. I figured out the most important thing that other people can give me is perspective. I figured out I dont wanna talk about their opinions, knowledge or accolades because that's going to cause a debate which they wont like, but perspective I'm always a sucker for.
Si people talking about how people I changed or how people keep changing all the time is the source of endless debate for me. I figured out that we're just talking about different things. For an INTJ we look at what people are, so people never change for us. INTJ will never become an INTP. Si people see people for how they're presenting (because that's how they see themselves as) so if the presentation changed that means the person has changed internally for them. You're never going to explain to an Si person what the difference is and how they're getting fooled by people performing their presentation all the time.
That last paragraph hits hard. It really is interesting that as clueless as INTJs are to Fe, our Fi/Se can tell if someone is performing and that it's not really who they are. I laughed at the runner's high comment. I remember thinking the same thing and then it hit me that my mind was blank and I was actually noticing people's faces, the color of the leaves, and the sound of nature passing by. It really is just living in the moment 😀
@@justcallmejon22 I'm pretty sure the same mechanism as empathy is at work here, so it's either Ni-Fi or Fi-Ne, depending how you believe your shadow functions activate.
Thanks Jon. You make understanding the cognitive functions so easy.
Thank you for the support ❤
Im so glad this youtube account exists. I dont have to search for anything specific on your page. I just click the video in knowledge it WILL work for me and gives me Value. Thanks you keep it up even if that Video was hard to do. It teached me a lot
Thank you for the kind words and let's continue improving, my friend ✊
Great video Jon! As an INTJ, my closest friend the last 5 years is an ESFP and dang I learned a lot about Se and Fi.
I think that it truly pushed me in a good way to have her as a friend
In 2022 and 2023 I decided that I had to improve my Se a lot in alignment to my goal so I socialized a lot with people until they started to think I was an extrovert. It took me a while but now I make it seem natural. I think Se reminds me to live in the present moment and it makes life more satisfying for me.
One of the great points you talked about is failure and how we don’t want to show our vulnerability. Second hand embarrassment is so real for me 😬
I decided that 2024 was the year I put myself out there and that’s exactly why I created my TH-cam channel around learning things.
It’s primarily a selfish way to push me outside of my comfort zone and get comfortable with failure but also a way to show that you are not a master at something directly, you start as a beginner.
My daily guitar journey has been fun so far and it showed me that people are more positive and cheering that I thought.
You explained Se very well, thanks Jon!
-Nadia
"Until they started to think I was an extrovert" but are you? Did you successfully become an extrovert, or are you just pretending like a "fake it 'til you make it" strategy? My problem is I used to trick all my friends into thinking I'm an extrovert but on the inside I was still an introvert and having a terrible time. So should I sacrifice my innate urges in the name of pleasing others and fitting in? And on the flip side it's also bad to completely indulge my instincts and then would only be alone all the time. I was actually someone who was over socialized as a child with tons of friends, so I have had the opposite experience of reducing my friends (many were surface level) and social interactions, which has lead to me living a more fulfilling and less fake life. But if I am not careful then I will end up cutting off all contact and living in a mountain somewhere lol. It's a delicate balance and a tough situation for us INTJs :)
@@QMS9224 You misunderstand what I said. It's not about being an extrovert or pretending, not at all actually. It is about being comfortable in social skills, having the capacity to talk to anyone naturally from my own strengths. When I said: "until they started to think I was an extrovert", it meant that they saw I was comfortable enough to talk to them to think that I was an extrovert. Because people make the connection between being social and being extrovert automatically (even though, it's not always the case).
My goal never has been to become an extrovert or pretending, it was to have the social skills that I want to be able to talk to anyone in any situation based on my own personality.
I never tricked anyone, I'm just being myself more and more using all my functions. That's a big difference with what you said because I'm having a great time being myself.
I have extremely high standards about the people who are close to me. All my close friends are people that bring value to my life. I have no time to have BS people around me so I cut off everyone like that in my life a long time ago. I was alone for a long time but it's a must to go through If you want to attract people that you really like.
Having the capacity to communicate, express yourself and be social is something that as INTJs we struggle with so we have to work on acquiring them and be natural about it. Having Se as a function is actually a blessing because we have the capacity to do it, it's just practice. I will never be an ESFP but I can be an INTJ with Se that can work for me, because it's just different and different doesn't mean one is better than the other.
That's why for me, discovering that I was an INTJ was the best thing that happened to me. I finally have the knowledge to know what I need to work on in my life with more clarity. Knowing how you are helps you to challenge yourself. People see the MBTI functions as categories and limitations, I see it as possibilities.
ESFPs really are the best at helping us improve and I was lucky enough to be surrounded by them at an early age. Good work on your youtube channel and getting outside of the comfort zone! We'll continue to improve together ✊
Hey thank you for making this video i think it will help me in the future 😊
Enjoy the journey 🙂
I went to a cosplay event yesterday on Sunday and people asked me to take pictures with them. I panicked when it came to posing. I ended up posing and acted in the moment. I panicked I was not good at posing or I look weird and my clothes messy.
I'm glad I got to experience all that because I get to learn the way people act and get more Se information just by going out. I like learning something new.
Another story: I went on a trip to another country last month and got very irritated and stressed and do not know what to get out of the experience. It lacked a point or a Te purpose- I can't just have fun. What is fun even for? to improve motivation and happiness ofr a person?
We have fun but that has to be in TE way like going to see tigers in real jungle to study about their behavior that's fun for me not going random country for no reason
@@GIGADEV690 My mom forced me to go to people's country and I also miss seeing my friend
Fun isn't a utility for life, it's the purpose of life itself. You also can't think your way into fun, but you can certainly think your way out of fun. I think a better mindset would be trying to live in the moment, rather than trying to have fun. That way it takes the pressure off, you don't NEED to feel any certain way. All you need to do in be present and not worry about the future. For me I am an over thinker like yourself, and I grew up in a musical family performing since I was little. I used to get horrible stage fright, wondering what everyone would think of me and whether I would mess up. But I realized that the anxiety that I thought was fear, could be just as easily channeled into excitement. Using placebo, I would "trick" myself into thinking oh I'm not nervous, I'm excited!
"It lacked point or purpose" the thing is, there is no point or purpose to anything. Happiness is not the end goal, but rather fulfillment. Things like feeling sad, lonely, angry etc can be just as fulfilling as feeling "happy" and having "fun". So rather than focusing on the emotion, you should try just accepting that there is no purpose to the trip. It's not supposed to be fun, or not fun. It could be anything. But that's cool that you got to go on a trip, to see a friend :) you should just be grateful for that, rather than trying to force anything. The trip will be what it will be, you can't change anything by thinking about it. And as for the cosplaying (love Raiden btw hehe) you should focus on each person you interact with and study them, rather than focusing inward on yourself. Try to always project outwards, each photo, pose, person asking for photo, is a new moment and use that to distract yourself FROM yourself lol. I relate to this alot and good luck w your cosplay :)
I grew up wanting to cosplay so you're living my childhood dream! Who did you go as? In regards to the trip with your mom, I've learned that traveling means embracing a new culture. Each state in the US operates a little different similar to how each country is a little different. Hawaii has blue stop signs in certain areas, Washington state has candycane style stop signs, Utah has nasty potable water, Vietnam doesn't care much about recycling, etc. There's always something to learn and that eventually became my favorite part of traveling.
@@justcallmejon22 That's interesting information about different countries!
I went to the con as serial designation J from murder drones. The show is my favorite show. J is a scary ESTJ who is mean to N for not doing the job right.
Thanks for the video, I think by heightening senses, its proportionately strengthens Ni processing of concrete data from Se. Its just like playing an rpg game with character having an "appraisal" skill. Something along those lines
That's a great way of explaining it ✊
Fantastic video. As an ENFJ, although my Se is tertiary, I had trouble loving it myself because I had always received messaging that it is an immature function, overly indulgent and impulsive, shallow, etc. Now I really have learned to embrace Se especially knowing that these descriptions are very 1 dimensional and not at all getting the true value of the function. Reading body language, staying fit, quick responses in the heat of a moment, getting into action with my Ni plans, seeing life for what it is and still enjoying its daily pleasures, appreciating art and visceral experiences, acting, fashion sense, and much more.
I think the examples you gave such as the movie Interstellar, and even something as simple as a well-timed joke, all of it are things that an INTJ can benefit from integrating into their own lives. Also, you bringing up the importance of Fi valuing certain things before Te will hold to it, and then that bleeds into the Se was great to point out.
I feel like I'm preaching to the choir talking to an ENFJ about Se but yeah dude, Se encompasses so many aspects of our lives that I feel like basic descriptions don't do it justice 😅
You go a little hard, don't push INTJs ^^ 😆
I agree Se encompass a lot of things (personal, people, physical...)
I improve Se alone at home, with Te and Fi, doing the things I like. When use Te, it automatically involves/brings Se.
(making video, write, paying attention to the details & words, drawing, painting, exercice, observing the details in the present, be in the present physically...)
Every INTJ is different and will improve their Se in different way corresponding to them.
I guess your advice correspond for typical INTJ, and who are not enneatype 5.
However, if Neurodivergent : Gifted, Asperger, ADHD and if on spiritual journey :
_I don't recommend to go outside (sensitive nervous system, sensory issues, overload, hypersensitivity) or only at night.
_Don't need to have Sensors friends, or to talk about meaningless things (not fulfilling for our Ni, annoying, boring, depressing, feel empty).
_Don't use Se inferior the same way Se dom use it : it's not yourself, you may end-up exhausted, stressed, not satisfied, burn out.
Follow your intuition, listen to yourself.
We can do it in your 10's, 20's when our functions still develop, but after, it's more enjoyable to come back to our natural functioning.
Definitely feel better, happier, at peace.
Also depends of the enneatype and instinctual variants. That's why I asked in the past your enneatype if you know it.
An INTJ e8 ADHD friend, was too pushy/impulsive forcing other INTJs to go outside & socialise.
Be aware of the limit of our own Se capacity can be great, every INTJ have different Se tolerance/capacity.
I'm 5w4 and I think you misunderstood the message of the video. I'm not telling anyone to do anything if they don't want to. There has to be an Fi value attached to progress and if an INTJ doesn't care about improving Se, then don't. I still recommend engaging with Se and having sensor friends for those that want to improve because it's probably the easiest way to progress in the journey of Se mastery 😬
Wow, love this video and can relate to all. As Intj who pass through all the levels(but still not perfect) people always think that I am different type. But its true, You are healthy if you not on the stigma of your type .
Now I think about how we can split every function to different sides like you did to Se, its so interesting, thank you and keep with the videos!
Sounds like you're winning in life so keep it up ✊
As an infj, i also would love to improve Se. And i also need an aim for it, otherwise i won't feel like i should do it.
#Niproblems 😅
Hi Jon, as always, love your videos. They give me new directions of thought and help me identify my own strengths and weaknesses as a solid INTJ. I say "solid" because I have taken the MBTI test approximately once every decade (I'm almost 60 now) and I have always come up INTJ. The latest stats are I-93% N-80% T-71% J-81% and A-69%. The only stat that ever changed was the last. I initially tested as turbulent as opposed to assertive but A seems to be steadily rising as I age. You once replied to a comment I made on a previous video of yours that you thought I sounded as though I was pretty in touch with my Se. I gave it some thought and I think that there are two main factors which may explain this. One is that I love being out in nature. And I adopted an early habit of consciously engaging ALL my physical senses when being outdoors. Not only seeing things, but examining textures, listening to the cacophony of sounds present, identifying and tasting various wild edibles and of course, stopping to "smell the roses". The other factor is that I also adopted early on a habit of trying to put myself in the shoes of others. Trying to figure out why people do the things they do as I observe them and even when I disagree with their methods or actions, making a sincere effort to see things from their perspectives. Don't get me wrong, when I see people doing things "the hard way" (especially at work) it still drives me absolutely batty internally, but I have learned to let go of my control freak tendencies and mitigate my Fi impulses to avoid too dominant attempts to "educate" them. I fortunately learned to adopt a sense of humility and accept that there are more ways than one to "skin a cat". 🙂 Anyway, thanks again for another insightful video sir.
I remember the previous comment about you mentioning that you enjoy being outdoors. Keep commenting my friend, there are lots of younger/ underdeveloped INTJs that you can help with your knowledge 🙏
@@justcallmejon22 Well, thank you for the kind response. 🙂 Truth is, I have been considering creating a playlist on my own humble little channel and calling it "An INTJ's perspective on..." and addressing various topics as many of my friends/family have told me that my views are rather unique and insightful. That of course would be for others to decide for themselves though. Far be it for me to tell anyone else how to live their lives or what to believe, but I would be honored to provide any new avenues of consideration for others who are interested.
You should do more videos like the last part of your video. It felt more genuine at the end. I also like how you incorporated the mic in hand for a video on Se.
I tried dude, my Ni won't make sense unless I write it down or if I'm Te ranting about something 😅
I'm outcast by choice
I think using Se is the way to connect with world around me and get rid of feeling alien 👽
I'm sooooo comfortable with my JOMO but It feels like everyone's nudging me towards the opposite direction. Most of the time I don't care cause I know myself and I know what I'm doing and I'm willing to face the results of my choices but when I'm feeling low, it hits me hard. Suddenly it feels like everything's falling apart and there's no one who gets it. And I don't know at that time if I was wrong the whole time.
It's feeling lonely pro max 😭 😭 😭
@@shadowcat4620 I can't fully relate to how you feel, maybe a little, but you can find a new interest that you know have nice passionate people and make new friends that understands you.
@@shadowcat4620 Trust me your not alien try to find a common ground dude even aliens will relate to us humans in someway hahahh
@@RaidenShogun.. I have a lot of people around me who love me and appreciate me but I'm back at expressing myself so even when they are very understanding I don't feel understood because they understand my picture not me🙃
I need to work on my Se
The first part of progress is accepting that progress is needed. Take your time on improving yourself and learn to enjoy it. Life is meant to be lived, my friend ✊
my extroverted sensing is the worst! no matter how hard i try even while walking i will always find myself having distracted by something, something is there always contemplating, news, thinking this that, what i should do or say next, whether what i just did was right and more.
However when i do try to be in present, i lose my calm. I turn vigilant and anxious.
The struggle is real 😅
My mom was a Se dom when I was little she would enroll me in swimming lessons and Jazz dancing because I was the type that stayed in my room read books and engaged with my imagination as an INTP she definitely had a strong presence I think she was an ESTP she would tell me to get out and do something outside so that burst my bubble lol! .
My mom forced me to go to parties and social gatherings with her as a child. I used to hate it but I appreciate it now since I've learned so much during those moments 😅
Se basically: "Gotta lock in"
Lock in with a purpose (unless that's already implied with the phrase) 😅
Huh. I've never let fear of failure stop me from doing what I want to do in the moment. Who cares if other people don't like my dancing? I wasn't doing it for them. The impulsive kind of things, I'm more inclined to follow my impulses. I'm sure I've got plans that will cover me if I fail on such a small scale matter.
I'm more likely to not do something out of fear of failure if the thing I want to do is more complex. Because then I want to come up with a plan to do it reasonably well the first time.
Whatever works for you ✊
@@justcallmejon22 LOL Thanks.
Though I wouldn't say failing to do things on the long term is really working for me. :P
just didn't got the "touch grass" statement
Touch grass is a metaphor and it simply just means to go outside. Go outside to get some sunlight, go outside to engage with the world, go outside to meet people.
how does one make friends? haha can't leave us hanging by leaving out this issue
You're in luck! I already have a video for that: th-cam.com/video/4SoF9Ejz7EQ/w-d-xo.html
Can you give me a couple examples ( physical and verbal ) of subconcious Se and Superego Se for intjs?
I'm not sure what's being ask so I can't provide an exact answer. What school of thought are we referring to? Superego as in Freud terms or in John Beebe's model or another?
@@justcallmejon22 JB's model.
Can we have how to improve Te more? Though there are videos out there, we just wanna hear your thoughts and discussion about it
I'll consider it but help me understand what aspect of improving Te you want to hear about?
Lmao First- synchronized yet again.
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Go touch the grass
*Me trying to hide my hyperventilation during a panic attack* 🙂
Yes. I have social anxiety and people usually notice it and point it out to me which makes it even worse and I get more self concious-
I think the best way is to look at another direction when that happens.
@@RaidenShogun.. hope you get better
Ugh, get out of my head
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