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Whoa as an infj I’m always spilling or bumping into things. One day I realized “hey if I move this thing over here I won’t bump into it” and “hey if I look at my coffee mug while walking it’ll less likely spill” lol good to know I’m not the only one! :)
I'm ISFP. I have an INTJ friend who sometimes says I'm better at these things... and then I check what it is that I'm doing on auto-mode and explain it to her technically. Like... when you walk with coffee, it swings side to side with your step and then gravity pulls it back down, so your hand needs to correct for the side to side movement while your step rhythm needs to correlate with gravity's ability to bring the liquid down fluidly.
She said it changed her life, so... here it is for you.
@@5idi yes that makes sense to my ti logic as well. Thank you for explaining it that way, the simple things for us se last in the function are actually the more complicated lol.
@@Deardahliax I don't think these things are simple. And huh, you should see me doing Ni Te, it took me... 7 months to order a table.
Try being an INFP lol
@@5idi it’s not easy for me either I’m saying simple in the sense of what society generalizes as the simple sensory tasks lol. I should specify haha
Recently came to a completely similar conclusion.
Sensory is like asking reality "what is there".
Intuition is like seeing reality and asking your own brain "what is happening/what is there".
Yes. Thank you for the clarity! Separating the two cognitions has been so difficult for me.
This is an excellent verbalization of something I (as an INTJ) have noticed in the periphery of my conscious, but haven't previously been able to put my finger on directly.
For me, I've noticed it definitely _means_ the most to me in the arena of physical affection and sex. I've had two relationships, and it took me WAY too long to realize in the first one that it *wasn't normal or good* for my brain to be wandering and thinking as much as it usually does, _in the middle of a sexual encounter with my partner._ 😂 It's why I left the relationship -- even though at the time I wasn't sure if anything romantic or sexual could EVER be strong enough to "shut down" my brain to just the present.
And THEN, I met the second man I was with. First of all, I'd never experienced sexual chemistry that strong in my life. It was like magnetism. But I was _shocked_ again to discover in the middle of sexual or just *sensual* encounters with him... that my brain was QUIET. I was fully in the moment with him. I wasn't thinking about my current "moves" or my next moves. I wasn't thinking about later that day, and their wasn't random "boredom music" playing in the back of my head somewhere. I was just... there. Experiencing something completely in the present, for possibly the first time in my life.
Discovering how to tap into Se _healthily_ is such a mind-boggling revelation, as an INTJ.
What a wonderful and healthy evolution of your consciousness!
So that's Se? Wow. Need more of that! (Much as I like my mind being active.)
I can so relate to that as an infj. Thanks for sharing. A wonderful example of Se.
As a fellow INTJ, the struggle is real to be present in reality and not in my head. Grounding myself to the world is my current quest to improve myself.
Thank you for the video. Greatly appreciated!
Being present often feels like a great goal, but the practice of actioning it in reality is hard.
This is why you need an Se savior friend and why a savior Se friend needs you. Conquer the world you will!
@@PhotoRubio I won't say no to that!
As an INTJ I recently noticed there is a severe lag between when something happens and when I realize the thing happened. I believe this is because whenever I get a bit of sensory I immediately run it to the top of my stack where Ni can observe it for a totally useless amount of time. My brain then tries to go over what I missed while I was analyzing and it realizes that someone was speaking to me (sometimes it remembers what they said, sometimes it does not).
Se inferior can really make you feel less then human sometimes. In social settings it can be like I'm not functioning how a human being should. I live how MBTI has shown me that these little sensory struggles are 100% normal, just a bit uncommon. Really great video that I think all intuitives can learn something from.
Feeling less than human - I feel the pain behind that on the most personal level. Yes.
I have the same problem as INTJ, especially once when “a lot” of things were happening at school and I thought only what I wanted to do but didn’t do anything, at the end I excused myself on WhatsApp for doing nothing. Anyway in general it is like there is a discrepancy between thinking and doing
I can relate to the lag! I find if I purposefully try to be mindful of my surroundings while in company I can't hold the conversation as well. My brain takes too long to actually take in the sensory information and make sense of it and that requires full focus!
@@TaylorVero same
I'm an ENTP and i have SE as my 8th shadow function. It's such a blindspot for me that i didn't get why it made one less human. Ig the SE doesn't even reach my consciousness. When i was sweeping the floor, i also noticed that there's less dust when i was looking than when i wasn't. Although i paid no attention to it as i just went back to my inferior Si, remembering how I cleaned it back then and just repeating that. I rely on what i experienced in the past more than what I'm seeing at the moment.
I drive for a living. I'm glad you don't. 😄
Ahahahahha -- ME TOO
I had this epiphany a couple of years ago in dance class. This fact meant I was never really relaxing. Even on holidays I would always think about the future:my proyects, my work, my studies. if you try and dont think about it for a really long time, dont think about your "betterment" but only about momentary enjoyment for days, you get to truly relax in a way I hadnt expierence before that.
Very relatable as an INFJ, I have noticed that sometimes I am daydreaming my life instead of actually living it. Also very noticeable when reading or watching youtube, and having to go back re-read or watch the same thing several times before I can turn Ni/Ti off enough to perceive the thing in front of me as it is without going off on tangents about it in my head.
I've started practicing mindfulness meditation, it's hard but I think regular practice will be worth it.
For a higher Se user, I wonder if this could be equated to that autopilot mode that can sometimes kick in when doing a repetitive task while distracted (?). Fantastic video, thank you for sharing!
I think the difference is that high Se user is probably better at operating on autopilot. No guarantee you won't step into a puddle but, it's operating on background and you snap out of it and make a save.
It's like how you have to force yourself to think and use logic while doing an exam and stopping your pen from instinctively writing down stuff you haven't even consciously thought about/you have to stop looking around zoning in on what's happening around you and focus on your thoughts and ordering them depending on how you are as a person. Your attention might drift to how the paper reflects the light, and how far the lines are apart, or the breathing of the girl next to you, or how the dude in front is tapping his foot, or how the teacher in charge has slightly uneven eyebrows.
Se blind people like in this video zone out of the external world to think or feel. Se dominant people zone out of their heads to observe the world around them
20 years of thinking about being in the present moment… with 1 year of it happening 😂
100% hahah
I felt that way too much 😂
I'm an INTJ. I find it difficult to focus at being present in reality and not thinking away in my head. Thank you for sharing.
I've never related to a video more in my life! I've always brushed these sort of moments off as being clumsy moments but in reality, I'm just not looking. 🤯
Same! The fact that it’s so “obvious” really paints a clear picture of our cognitive prioritization. 😵💫
i am an ESTP and i am absolutely horrified lmao
honestly love your videos especially the Ni ones bcs mine SUCKS ASS and im always perplexed, admire yall Ni doms
Ni staring at some Se for the first time 😬😬😬"so this is here"
I still haven't had the epiphany moment for my Ni that Lijo just had for her Se. Lol. Hopefully soon because I need to understand. 😭😂
INFJ here with exactly the same behaviour. I've taken up work working over the last year to help me concentrate more on what I'm actually doing with my hands... as opposed to what I have envisioned for them to perform (magically, with no conscious input from me). Spinning blades have a way of focusing the mind. So far, so good, I still have all my digits.
I have noticed that on the rare occasions where I'm drunk, I become far more interested in objects, textures, and space, and really try to pay attention to the tactile world. I assume that's because when I can't rely on my intuitive sense of the things around me, I have to fall back on whether I can physically prove that they exist, where they are, and how to interact with them in a way that doesn't involve dropping, losing, tripping, breaking, soiling, or otherwise misusing. Or maybe I'm just drunk?
You’re less stressed and more present, also yes just drunk
Omg was reliving the situation with throwing a ball myself😂 I had those ball game problems as well and my dad would always ask me "Why aren't you looking at the direction where you actually want to through the ball?" I was always thinking "but I did look!!" but my success was pretty limited 😂 anyways, thank you so much for your videos, I have become aware recently how much my very weak inferior Se is causing me unhappiness and you are one of the little TH-camrs that eventually GIVES concrete advise and shares their journey.
It is reeally hard but I know I can improve too. ~an INFJ
So glad you’re here on the improvement journey with me 🎉
Yes actually I can relate it to myself, but the strange thing is there's an exception for this situation and it's when I'm playing video games; for now I can realize that maybe that's why I really enjoy playing them since my childhood.
Well done, thanks👏🕯🌷
My intuitive husband is far better at video games than I am as a sensor. I would love Lijo's input on why that is.
This might explain all those times where I was mostly incompetent at PE but then had those rare few instances where I'd somehow do something hyper-competent without thinking about it or realising it, as if by instinct. I never figured out how I managed to do such things besides maybe random luck. Problem is when I look at things and not think about them, I worry and it's exceedingly uncomfortable because it's just so alien to me. It's like wilfully giving up control and allowing myself get tossed about on a current - it's daunting and unnatural.
Yeah it is daunting and unnatural!
Excellent observation
This is so interesting! I was just thinking the other day about how I’ve always been pretty athletic, but to me in my mind it never felt like real skill. It always felt like luck, like I never really knew what I was doing when playing sports. I’d just kick the ball and hope for the best and usually it would end up looking like a totally intentional move. I never understood why as an Se inf I didn’t fit the unathletic stereotype, but I think I get it now. I never retained any of the tips or skills I was taught in practice, I think my clumsy Se just took over in those moments and made me look like I knew what I was doing when in reality I was so lost and confused. Someone would be like “that was an awesome pass great job!” and in my head I’d be like thanks I have no idea how I just did that
@@evieisadiamond7657I played soccer in HS after being a basketball player all my life, we’re definitely naturals
As an INFJ I have already pointed that on myself, it helped to be raised in a family that are all sensors. It's really weird how we can take information without taking it. Like we are in auto-pilot all the f time. I'm working on bettering my Se and specially my ST consume, and this epiphany was the one that has hepled me more thowards it.
I have learned to pay attention to what I am doing, instead of thinking about what I have to do next, because otherwise I will not remember what I have just done. Being in the moment is important.
I experienced a similar revelation a few years back when I was thinking about why I was feeling crappy and how I needed to stop being in my head so much and be present to the environment. I had this realization as I was crossing a busy intersection and (apparently) hadn’t noticed that the walk sign had switched off. Bus honked and I jumped backwards as it whizzed on by. Right then I realized that if I want to be present to the environment around me, I have to stop being so present to everything happening within.
This realization has been so helpful and yet I still feel a certain irritation at how straightforward - because it means I have to accept that most times I just don’t *want* to redirect my attention, and I quite frankly just suck at it.
….At least not the 50000 times it takes to redirect over and over and over and over…. : “oooh thought!! Ohhh image!!! Ohhh idea!!”
The redirection is the hard part!!
Squirrel!
Those darn noggin squirrels..
Haha I can relate to this. Over time I've learnt to "shout" at myself - Lily, FOCUS! - this helps me to snap back to reality. Forcing myself to watch what I am doing and just naming the steps I need to make or commenting what I am doing at that time is efficient for me too especially if I talk to myself aloud. But it's hard to not let your mind wander. I have never thought of it in this context so thank you for naming it.
Anyway my funny story about "blind" INTJ... my ex wore beard. One day he came and was very surprised... I didn't notice he shaved it off completely. The fun part is, that he asked me if I noticed something different about him and I was observing him but didn't see it anyway. He was so mad at me. 😂
This is a big part of how I type my family...do they notice when Daddy trims his beard or Mommy has a pimple? Lol. It's so silly but shows up very obviously in all of my kids, my husband, and myself.
I agree the perfect term is “focus” for example when reading a/studying text book ( the ones that don’t catch my interest ) I had to literally write it again breaking it into notes as to digest and wire in the information in my brain dissecting it from the tiniest detail until I can appreciate the big picture. I usually look at the big picture but the “norm” of measuring knowledge would require one to know the details even the irrelevant once 😬 but on the long run I appreciate that these irrelevant information makes my thoughts more flexible - helps me well versed in expressing ideas
@@rheacelis2092 I understand. When I was a student I often read information, then extract the important ones or main ideas, which I wrote down and then memorize only those. If I was memorizing too much details I couldn't remember it. Our learning process is very different from others, because we quickly get patterns and thus can describe complicated problem very simply once we broke it down in our heads. I remember one of my teachers telling me that even if I actually wrote everthing important in a test, it was surprisingly simple and plain (he obviously enjoyed long sentences). We often need many details to be able to really break down an idea into pieces (Te is helping a lot) and get this full picture, but we can easily get overwhelmed by them at the same time.
Wow! Yeah I had a similar revelation when driving to my sisters house. I’ve gotten lost on my way there 6 or 8 times. My boyfriend pointed out to me once that she lives by the hospital, and I was like “yeah, duh, I know.” And he was like no. The hospital is right there, And he pointed. For the first time I could see it out in the distance. The hospital was literally right there. I can see it from my house.
So lately I’ve started looking farther out in my field of view while I drive and realized that there are a lot more mountains that surround my town then I thought there were. People ALWAYS talk about them. And I’ve lived here for 3 years, but never realized that a few of them even existed.
It's crazy to think all you need to do is just look around and pay attention to what's actually happening. I would honestly prefer to be in lala land than constantly aware of reality. As an ESFP I actually dislike drawing because I pay TOO MUCH attention to my lines and struggle a lot with creativity. I end up just drawing what I see and that's pretty boring imo so I don't like to draw.
Gosh this was great perspective from the ESFP viewpoint. Thank you for the sensory triangulation.
Yes!
Fellow esfp here- CAN CONFIRM
This is so interesting to hear! I'm an INFJ but my sister is ESFP and I love drawing and when we draw together she always gets frustrated about it not looking perfect and lack of ideas on what to draw or paint. 🤔 Now I kind of understand a bit better thanks to you. thank you ☺️
Another ESFP who can confirm I hate drawing for these reasons!
As an ENFP I'd like to say I'm really simping hard for you from 10s after the video started.
Lindsay, usually I don't comment on TH-cam, but this video gave me enough reason to comment. What you told about drawing lines, holding a bowl of soup in your hand, all made absolute sense. I had similar epiphanies often but couldn't articulate it better (or in other words articulate it in a manner that actually made concrete sense).
I'll share some instances. One of them is while watching movies or playing any games. When doing that, my mind would be racing about what to do next, what is going to happen next, and my sensory nature steps in only to take necessary inputs for my brain to process them to proceed ahead. However, once I finished the game/movie and try to watch the movie again or play the game again, I already know what is going to happen. So, my thinking and processing dial down, and then I notice hundred other sensory details that I earlier saw, but did not actually see.
I noticed this disparity between getting something done and being in the moment to enjoy things for what it is.
For me, I made my own methods to get the best of both worlds - with small compromises.
I watch movies or TV shows that I like twice. Once to understand how the show is going to go forward and see it through, and the next time to enjoy and notice the finer details. The same applies to games, books, any video content, or shows. This is a bit of compromise, but totally worth it for a wholesome experience.
For work-related stuff that I don't have experience with (meaning, I have little to no clue on how to proceed further), first I won't think too much and just follow the instructions given by the instructors. Then, once I get a decent hang of it, then I put my thinking hat and dissect the process to the nuts and bolts and make my own way.
If I am learning something new, first I'll go to the basics and understand the concepts clearly. Then I have a framework (internally built) about how things work, the do's and don'ts, etc., Since I've done enough thinking, I can now go and peacefully concentrate on what is at hand without much thinking with the security of concepts at my disposal.
There is a caveat though. Many events in life do not have a repeat feature to try twice. You only get one shot at them. Those are the ones I dread where-in I have to balance both. Both are difficult to do together. That's where my previous strategy of preparing in advance helps to navigate to some extent.
For better results, and as a decent challenge, I am trying to force myself (within reasonable limits) to do things on the fly. Getting some success, but definitely not a master at it.
Hope this helps and is of some value to you and fellow TH-camrs!
Cheers!
Thanks for commenting and sharing your experience:)
This is such a funny yet eye-opening advice
I call this The Haze. I've been working at being IN THE MOMENT for a while. My psychologist gave me a great exercise that I now do almost every day, called 5,4,3,2,1. You LOOK at (truly identify) 5 things, HEAR 5things, FEEL 5 things...then 4 of each etc. It's designed to get you grounded, more clear headed, and operating more safely through life. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, and for the blender finger story, a great example!!
Great work 🥳🥳🥳 Thanks 💜💜💜
My mother always said "stop being absent-minded", when I was washing plates she would always say " why are you splashing water everywhere? Pay attention." I believe this helped me alot plus I joined the military which is very Se. Thanks again for another video
Mind blown - in a good way. Thank you!
lmao i (also intj female) hit my head 3x on the same car roof getting in/out within less than 20 minutes over the weekend. in the interest of intj brain cells everywhere, we've got to do something :P one thing you didn't touch on in this video that it's not only our thinking but our judging and trusting our own judgment that justifies (well, attempts to- injuries are a really good counterargument lol) our distance from the sensory. when we don't have decisions to make we can reaaaaally zone out and not be present haha. those are the times we actually should be more present and practice engaging in different ways pulling from all of our "opposite" functions- practicing with more experiential, physical, emotional connectedness.
also side note i too do marker line art to relax (occasion permitting- mom life is wild and put me on my steepest learning curve ever but also really has balanced me out and hopefully helped provide my kids with examples of how to be/accept yourself and be open to changing, correcting, etc.). it's way more engaging than media entertainment and more soothing than music and writing.
As ENTP something similar happens to me, but different.
I am never truly thinking about what I am doing, but I am looking. But when I am doing something my mind always wanders off. I am there, talking to a hypothetical person in my brain about quantum physics, while I am cooking. But in the sensory world, I am tunnel visioned on whatever I am doing in the moment.
I hate, to be interrupted, because whenever I do something, everything else disappears, I am one with whatever I am doing and time just simply ceases to exist. But my brain is never ever truly on what I am doing, nor is it on what i am going to do next. My brain is always processing ideas, even when I am fully focused on doing something sensory.
Remember the Pixar movie of Soul? Imagine that I enter that flow state they talk about, where everything dissappears and I lose sense of time, and somehow everything sensory I do is done perfectly. I am fully and truly focused and tunnel visioned on only what I am doing. There could be an earthquake and I wouldn't even notice. But at the same time, while my whole sensory experience is only focused on that, my mind is never there. As I said, my mind is always processing random ideas and concepts.
I haven't seen that movie but your comment has inspired me to check it out :)
I call this need for no distraction the low-brain-bandwidth-blessing.
I have the same thing (INTP) and I love it cause I can fully immerse myself or focus and I get so annoyed at seeing people who don't immerse themselves and can't fully appreciate things.
People who can do many things at once are unable to truly dive into a movie and enjoy it with complete immersion.
They also need music to do homework so they can fill their wide bandwidth with pure sensory input in order to have the thoughts in the head only be enough to foucs on the task.
Without that music they will traile off in the mind cause it has the bandwidth to do more than the homework at once.
Or so i theorize.
My INTP husband does this too! And that movie is amazing.
I kinda had this epiphany in highschool. Mostly because I liked drawing architecture back then. Perhaps all we need is some sort of catalyst to make us see the difference. Good to know I'm not the only one who though of this as a breakthrough xd
It's truly fascinating to see for yourself. I'm still not over it 😆
This is incredibly helpful. It’s like hearing, but not listening but with visual things. Such a simple answer to a lot of my struggles.
Learning about Ni and Se and cognitive stacks explained my whole life to me!
My middle initial is O and my dad said it really stood for Oblivious because I couldn’t come down out of my head and into right here, right now.
Like you, I can do the thing when I’m actually paying attention to it. Otherwise, I’m off with the fairies.
This was hilarious and wonderful
As a Sensing dom I would say this is a big step towards understanding sensing functions, because that's the mentality you have when you use them. Way more helpful them "being in the present". I'm happy to this coming from someone with Se inferior.
Relate so hard to this 😩 My mom always called me an “absent minded professor” and said I needed to “get my head out of La La Land”
Trying to develop situational awareness is a challenge, but super important to survival. Still scares me when people point out to me how oblivious I am to my surroundings. Being high intuition is on par with being a sensory-dom thrill seeker as far as getting into dangerous situations…but instead of seeking them out they just accidentally happen to intuitive-doms because of being oblivious.
Oh gosh my mom always said I was in "la la land" too hahahah. Actually I think her quote was that I was "always look out into la la land".
Wow I am so glad I stumbled on this because I've been trying to name my issue of when I try too hard on anything I fail miserably each time. Now I realize I'm not trying harder I am thinking harder. Which is hilarious.
Also I shared this to a Se dom and he was very scared for me he asked what do I do when I cross the street...
Oh, wow. Can't believe I actually needed this tip🙈
This is mental. Of course!
I’m a guitarist who loves to improvise along to any type of song. I’ve noticed when having smoked weed my playing is significantly better. Because of the fact that I’m sooo zoned in to the moment.
INTJ’s (such as myself) simply need to keep reminding ourselves to step out of our head and focus on the task. It’s pretty exciting because it turns everything into a game or puzzle to solve.
This is hilarious! Yet so helpful. Recently, I experienced something similar and I've been trying to be more mindful about it so that every time I go outside I'm not lost in the middle of the streets. Appreciate you input on it. Take care.
Glad it was helpful 🧠♥️
@@InternetLiJo Also, I just noticed that I was wearing my shirt backwards.
I love your channel. Intj here… And you’re unbelievably beautiful!
Gee thanks!
Thank you! I needed this in a cosmic sense, and it’s very relevant to my struggle
It’s so hard to stop thinking about it and watch!! I live in my head. I am an INTJ with OCD
It has happened to me so often that I kind of "look through things" instead of looking directly at what I am actually doing. I thought this wasn't normal and that I was dissociating but hearing you telling us that this is overactive Ni really calms me down. Thank you very much for this video, it was very helpful! *starts consciously practising Se things now*
So so so true. Thanks for sharing. I think the whole concept of zen tries to address this about being fully present.
I choose to not look at the dirty doors and floors, i don't want to clean
10/10 would not look. The doors were... disturbing.
I have no choice but to notice them, BUT I do have the ability to choose not to clean them unless the filth on them is dangerous somehow. 😅
In the words of Ed Bassmaster..... Just look at it. I find myself hearing this all the time 😂. I was literally writing this comment as you clipped that in. Great minds right there.
Ed is my DUDE!!! hahahah
@@InternetLiJo right? Prank comedy genius!
Holy crap, This is how I operate!! Very eye opening.
Wow, you think about what you're doing while you're doing it?! Someday I hope to advance to that level of engagement.
I had a similar epiphany in reverse recently. I was watching a Shave video and Shan was talking about how real things feel to her and having to focus on the idea of 'will this matter in 20 years?' I was like WHAT? Is that what Ni/Fi sleep is? It's still very hard to put it into practice, but that's become my question for myself every time I get upset or stressed out.
You’re reverse epiphany just twisted my brain at a level I can’t explain at the moment 😅
I had to deal with this so often and early, as an artist, often I have to draw what is seen rather than what we think what we see. This extends to doing weights, yoga, driving.. I still struggle with this. I envy the high SE folks just feeling more natural with it.
INFJ here. Thank you for the missing information. Ha Im so INFJ. This has been the explanation of Se I have needed but could not understand and resonate with other explanations. Really excellent. I do and don't do all that you described. I can apply your recommendation. Many thanks. Great channel Lijo
This makes so much sense!
Love this! I'm reframing this for really looking at my Di. Very very good, Lindsay. Very Good! :)
Thanks Kelly! Also love the idea of reframing it for your Di... let me know where that takes you :)
@@InternetLiJo Yea -Kind of like your high-five analogy - I haven't fully processed this yet, but it is something along the lines of: yea, Kel, instead of dancing around making sure that what you are saying/doing is appropriate/needed in this moment in a "that this is how it should go; these are the rules of the game" way, maybe just like form an opinion. Have some personal standards that you throw out there. This really hit me deeply. Really appreciate it.
Sports is one thing that brought me to reality because I didn't want to get hit in the face, but then again, I was good at sports. Art, I can't, not don't.... CAN'T think about what I'm drawing or else it won't come out right. I take my pen or pencil, put it on the paper, look up and draw. I then look down and there it is.
A very important missing piece of the puzzle. Just experienced the same flood of memories making just a little more sense. 😱 Thanks for speeding up the process.
Happy to be of service 💁🏼♀️
great video as always Lijo, even though this was of minimal use to me as an ENFP
Ugh Se is my biggest enemy. Thank you Lijo 🙌
My pleasure **bows**
Haha so true - I am also "*thinking* about what I am doing - not *looking* at what I am doing"
Love this. You're the only one to really properly articulate this. [Edit]
Food for thought... I call it "going on autopilot", and sometimes going on " autopilot" can lead to mishaps such as taking a wrong turn (especially when bombarded with additional external sensory information). In that state I am not truly present but in my internal intuitive universe, and this can certainly be noticeable - especially by extrovert sensor types. Not too many sensors in my life coming from a large family of primarily intuitives. Two INTJ's, another possible with my niece, and another Ni lead being my mother (INFJ), and others high in their stacks.
Autopilot when you still need someone flying the plane ✈️ absolutely!
I am an immediate fan of this damn channel... Today is Saturday and I am watching having just discovered you last night... And as a side note, outlawing THC from INTJ's is downright criminal... And, did I just hear you say you were "failing" high fives? LMAOOO 7:25 Gives me life! Big love!!
What my INTJ arse is thinking about is the sheer number of beefcake bros out there LoL... Trust me Ms. LiJo, the correct answer is always fist bump, so we might as well lead the dance (I can open my palms later) 😉
Although I cannot deny that bumping elbows made good logical sense at the time.
But I gotta tell ya, we really need to make bowing a thing in the West. Asians have that shit figured-out, cuz I hate that street handshake where at the end you are only each other's holding finger tips, as though we were all constantly exchanging tiny ziplock bags of illicit substances or passing cash to pay for said substances (allegedly)
as an INFJ artist I noticed this a few months ago. and i was like "why is this happening to me? why can't I be present in the moment? i need to improve my drawings!" as today, in drawing classes we are learning to observe things, to look at them and improve our sense of vision. and it's really irritating me cause i don't know how to look at things without analyzing them lmao im glad i found your video, it makes me feel better to know that we all, intj and infj, have this issue. makes me feel less alone. time to improve my inferior se!
drawing is the only thing I am really good at Se-ing. Because I realized that I had to lookt at the object I was drawing in detail, then look at my drawing, and compare. And when I am really drawing, I can only listen to music. My brain is focused.
Meanwhile, I am mostly in Ni-mode when writing/reading standard stuff. If there is something wrong, I can "feel" it intuitively and point to the section. And when one passage really gets my attention, I am reading it over and over again, switch to deep-dive and dissect it.
Se is really my weakest function, and it doesn't help that I can get sensory overload very easily.
my eyes have never rolled back so hard (savior Se)
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I’m watching your video now haha. I’ll let you know
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I can totally related to this! Something funny I just thought about - I find doing my nail’s myself quite therapeutical. I suppose it’s because it is an hour in which I am fully focused in what I am doing, and not in my head. I love thinking about things, but we all need a break time to time. I’ve started meditating too, and that helps.
I'm an INTJ as well and i've experienced a similar thing .
I started to doing workout exercises since last May because i wish to do for next June an Eren's cosplay , the shirtless version from AoT season 4 .
So here what it happened :
I went to my grandma's house for holydays and she went for hug me and she scared out because she though i had an hole and instead it was just an abs fissure .
I haven't noticed that neither , so after that when i went back to home i've passed the time i needed to sleeping in touching that abs fissure.
I'm just glad I read the description before watching this lol The having to remind oneself to "actually look at the things" is really foreign to me because it's a baseline operation. Any time I don't, I IMMEDIATELY hear my ESTJ mom's voice yelling "LOOK at what you're doing!!!"
This video, your analyse and share, is very helpful, you put words on the phenomenon that happens to all of us INTJ/INFJ.
It happens more than we think.
Thank to you, you really enlighten us with ourselves, our lives. The *This is why..* You well explain/find the cause which is ourselves our functioning, our inferior Extroverted Sensing.
It's very interesting how humans function. These constants come and go between our mind and reality, between the introvert and the extrovert of our functions, and that the barrier between these 2 states, these 2 worlds, is just us, our body, our mind, our brain.
It's maybe a paradox, but I find it's normal because we function like this.
_We are constantly aware/observe what's happen now
_We are so in our mind, that we don't oberve.
I noticed you liked all the comments, thank for taking time to read us and putting like. I hope our comments/shares help you as much as you help us.
💙From French INFJ to all INTJ/INFJ.
From my experiences and analyses I noticed surely all personalities type has their own absence of reality, their forgetfulness.
_INFP coworker, she was so in her "go with the flow", she was often late, or often loose something, to do something, or loose an objet. And others time, she perfectly know where she let her coffee.
_ENTJ (I got 9 years relationship with). He put his electric cigarette or other object somewhere, before doing an action.
And after this action done, he forgot where he left this object. He lost some objects, like a bag for example, anf for him it was not important or serious, he bought this object again.
_ESTP coworker often lost her keys, wallet.
_Ex friend ESTP : lost her phone so many times in party. So in the Se here and now, and think less to the future. Don't think as us (Ni dominant) to the "what if...".
_An other ex friend ESTP : He was cooker, so in his job, and parties, he was overworked, that he slept less, exhaused, he didn't think to the futures consequences on his health, on his body.
Me as INFJ, I have always been careful with my things, I have rarely lost or forgotten anything. Ans when it happen, when I know I lost something, I really want to know where it is, search it, find it, or it's going to stay in my mind until the mystery is solved, because i really want to know, things don't just magically go away, there is always a logical reason.
I can't stand to give up. When something is in mind, right in and deep in. It remind me your video about the "tunnel vision"
I think all personalities type have their own absence/missing with the reality (forget things, facts or objets, forget to observe, or anything else...)
Maybe : To be so in the dominant function, that they forget/miss to do the inferior function. Our strong and weakenesse.
Sorry for the overshare, perhaps it could help people to understand well themselves and others.
Thanks so much for sharing your insight!!
This is an element of my own experience that I have dubbed autopilot. Mundane, or repetitive tasks often times triggers this response for me.
I almost never recognized my friends walking past me in the streets. I saw PEOPLE, I heard SOUNDS, but I haven't been into the details. I see the forest, but i do not notice the moss on the trees and flowers amongst roots, i just know they are there and i imagine them (being a short-sighted person adds to that Ni thing).
I literally started practicing dynamic meditation last year bc of that: mental health walks in the park in the mornings. No analyzing, no Ni, only OBSERVING AND NOTICING real things around me: how leaves move on the wind, how birds shower under the grass sprinkles, how a bug sleeps inside a rise, hiw does a flower smell and how i feel about it.
As a chronically uncoordinated INTJ I can sure relate to this lecture!
I've been aware of this for a very long time, but it still happens constantly. Even when I'm reading to learn I catch myself thinking about the reading rather than the content of what I'm reading
the high five example is so accurate
Enjoyed this. When you say you are thinking about you didn't say you are visualizing but I would guess you are. I am FM-TiSe-CS/B(P) as IDed by Shave and confident they are right. I visualize a lot in my head and love to draw from life. I understand that artists draw a lot by just seeing the pencil and paper and not thinking. Your drawing there seems pretty symmetrical so you must visual well enough. I recall recently wide receiver Devante Adams (Packers) stated that he both visualizes in reality and in his head as he is catching a ball in a game. I expect he is Se (ISTP or ESTP). Fun project.
Funnily enough, I (as an INTJ) was sort of relating to this thinking yeah, I guess so. But then when she started talking about the dirty doors, it really hit home. I remember when I really "realized" how easy it was to clean things effectively. For me it was just a matter of figuring out that I have to look and inspect after the fact to see if I missed anything.
This is why I listen to music when I need to focus in the here & now. Music keeps me from going deep into my subconscious processing. Music keeps me observant.
Thank you for this epiphany.
This morning I went into the living room and wanted to put a glass of water on the table. The remote control was on the table. I was thinking about taking the remote off the table because maybe there was a chance the water would spill on the remote.
As I was thinking this, I didn't look at the glass of water, but at the remote control. And poured the water over the table.
So yeah, I needed to hear this.
As an INFP this made me chuckle. Even though I don't have Se in my stack, I do the same thing with thinking about something more than observing it directly, but I still somehow remain connected to the sensory world pretty accurately. I think the Ne gives me a good intuitive sense of where everything in the sensory world is at. Like when riding my motorcycle, I have an uncanny ability to predict the movement of traffic, even the erratic movements. But I feel like I can easily imagine how thinking about reality could replace observing reality lol
Omg it sounds exhausting to think about everything all the time lol
This almost breaks one's brain! As an INFP it's second nature to feel and intuit my way with people on a one-to-one basis. It's how I intersect with humanity. The way I don't engage with others is through the tribe. I can't relate to group dynamics at all. More often than not, groups look like runaway trains getting ready to derail. Who wants to take part in that?!
But, there was a time when I was very young, before I set out on my solitary life, that I could enjoy the waves of playful magic moving through a group. These usually occurred when visiting cousins, or attending festivals. I thought that flower had died. Perhaps, if I work on my Se, that flower will bloom again.
you should make a video talking about demon si and how to develop it (if you know how, obviously). i'm tired 'bout miss some details or get overwhelmed by it. thank you, great video!
YOGA.
PRACTICE IT.
as a fellow intj, i TOTALLY understand the urge to draw myself inside of my own mental state (analysis mode).
practicing yoga will help draw your consciousness out of 'yourself' to ground yourself into the present moment. it will also help you to be more aware of your own actions and how they affect reality around you.
YOGA.
ABSOLUTELY.
FOR SURE.
(by the way, those little clips you added with the guys looking at the car are HILARIOUS and help to cement the point youre trying to make here. GOOD CALL including those.)
- intj
I do appreciate yoga a lot! Right now im dipping my toe into the world of meditation and I have to say, I’m really liking it.
Might as well just have sex or listen to music:)
INFJ here I can relate to this whole heartedly, I've started cleaning and exercising more intently just to work on my Se
I can relate so much.
Thanks for explaining your perspective on this. Is this why it seems to take me longer than average to learn skills like driving a car, manual transmission, skiing etc, even though once I master them I can be very successful, while abstract concepts are much simpler to grasp? I am wondering if it is because we tend to spend a lot of time thinking about what we are trying to do, thinking about how to do it and how we appear while trying to learn, rather than just paying attention to what we are actually doing.
It could certainly play a part in that! Try bringing a higher level of attention to what you're seeing in real time and see if it makes a difference :)
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I remember my dad has told me to become more aware of my surroundings, and i've been getting better at it over time. ✨
Sometimes i still space out, but now i make sure that if i do that, i make sure it is a safe space to space out first (most of the time). -infj
I can totally relate, i am in a technical field, and had to learn to "see" what was in front of me, rather then what i knew i saw.
I absolutely relate to this as an INTJ. My biggest problem doing anything is overthinking it, that's when I make mistakes
U made me realized why i always bump on the table.. why i plant a tomato but i didnt even realize it already became flower n fruit.. eventho i water it everyday n why i never realized any person in my surrounding
Ha, ha.. so true... thinking about.. 😅
7:07 ily for that 😆
I'm good at learning from my experiences. If you learn something is hot, your likely to remember that in the future and avoid it automatically. I can watch someone do something, and if they learn a lesson like that while doing it, and I'm watching, I'll learn that same lesson, and it will be part of me from that point on.
I think that's how INTJ learn to predict what's going to happen. Because we learn, and pay attention to, the cause and effect of things.
It's like everything has a lock, and one day, suddenly, you have the key, that fits that lock, and you're able to open up knowledge you just couldn't see before, and it all makes sense to you.
Objective personality has an old video where they illustrated the filter of Se-Si- etc of how information enters first being Se and, as I understand it, my INTP brain obsesses with doing the bare minimum Se and jumping to Si as soon as possible trying to get to Ne and Ti.
So I spend way too little time taking in information with Se.
But it's alot of effort for an INTP to do Se-like-actions. Even as they are very useful to grow yourself.
This OPS ISTP appreciates the contribution from a not so distant relative.
Yes, this is true. I don't even know my friends' eye color OMG
"is this going to be a weird elbow thing?" 😆
LOL you know what I mean!!
lmao its funny how i came into this video expecting to have an epiphany of my own from yours and i actually did
but my problem is the opposite, obviously. i rely so much on sensory feedback that i become incapable of playing things out in my head
i've been having this problem a lot lately trying to fix my sleep. as i'm drifting off, i'm trying to simulate/imagine how the following day is gonna play out, usually through these random images of either buildings i'll go to, activities i'll do, goals i want to reach, etc. it really calms me down because it makes me feel like i know my path and i have the power to change it, which helps me get in a sleepy mood.
this would be a great tool... if i could control it.
after a couple of seconds, i just kinda "hear" random audio cues that put me in a completely different spot then i was later, going from random association to random association while trying to gain control back of my intuition instead of just letting it roam free. kinda like some alice in wonderland shit, or that one scene from spiderman far from home, anyway
i can only plan without fighting to keep focused if i'm writing or talking it out, but there have been situations where i haven't been able to. in those days, i can usually no joke spend 3 hours tossing and turning in my sleep trying to figure something out or decide on what a future goal.
despite the agony, it has a lot of benefits in that i don't get nervous about not doing "the right thing at the right time" because i ran the mental simulations for the other possibilities the day before.
i wonder how much our modalities play into this too
some advice from your opposite type though (feel free to share any advice if you got some): whenever you have to do something physical, especially something you're used to doing and think you might slip back into that state of "thinking about doing the action", do a weird move. no im not joking
walking down the street? hit a pole just to avoid habituating
feel like your lines are getting worse? get a glass and use it to draw a circle
just do something out of the ordinary way you do things, it'll give you at least a little bit more awareness... i hope