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Played it with my best friend, my glasses were causing problems near the end of my playthrough though so I took a break to play sonic x Shadow generations, then I finished Arkham shadow after that, also I think arkham shadows sounds better than the games title.
Eh, if Dick didn't get amnesia, I still see why he wants to go to Batman. He knows first hand his skill and heard from Leslie that he's changing, so he's willing to take the risk to learn and better himself
While it's basically confirmed and this isn't as needed, a pal of mine got into the games files and found that the Rat is even labelled as Dick Grayson.
@БогданКрименюк I think that model had a different purpose originally, like a hallucination section themed around Bats seeing Jason become a zombie, because putting Jason in that diner doesn't make sense plan wise. There's no immunity to fear toxin in Arkhamverse except having the willpower to fight it, Jason would've been the same wreck as everyone else in there.
@@GamePulseYT No, he just wanted to rip Matches' model to put into Bonelab. He might be working on others if there aren't 15 Batman player models by now
12:08 It's Babs the evidence bored confirms it because it states it saved Jim from Killer Moth which is what Batgirl did in the Arkham lore. They likely think it's a dude because Babs cowl doesn't show her yet and she speaks in a more deep tone plus her armor is mostly police vests so it hides her female frame.
@@afkmh2392 rather she’s in the shadows helping Bruce or if she’s not technically affiliated with batman yet maybe it’s her following the same rat king lead as Bruce
I agree, the length's they did to make shadow tie up to the arkham verse is genuinely impressive. They knew where to expand upon like two-face's history, scarecrow's influence and revisiting past origin characters and of course Batman's character arc from origin to shadows.
Are you guys on meth? They in fact did retconed stuff. In knight, two face blames batman for bringing that " acid throwing bastard" to the docks. In the game batman is not responsible for malone's imprisionment or the reason he was taken to trial. Also in shadow, otis flannegan was born in 1988 and is clearly older than 20 years old. Arkham city was open in the late 20th century in nineteen ninety something. So in the best scenario arkham city was opened in 1999. That makes flannegan 11 years old in the events of city which is absurd. In addition, strange mentions wayne to dent but never mentions they were childhood friends and dent simply states that "they" hate the guy. Furthermore, how did bruce know nothing about the order of st dumas in city and knight when he literally learned about the whole profecy during cyrus pinkney audio files in shadow. It is also said that the tyger force was unknown to anyone but strange in city yet everyone had contact with them before during shadow. The thing is that the bar set for games is so low at the moment that a good and fun game with plot holes is considered a masterpiece and devs are praised for doing the minimum they are supposed to.
@@michaelscott4349Just so you know, there isn't a canonically accurate timeline of the games We just know that Arkham Origins was first and it was taking place during Batman's second year of crime fighting, Arkham Asylum takes place 8 years after Origins, we can place Arkham Shadow around year 3 or 4, Arkham City takes place a year and a half after Asylum, and finally, Arkham Knight takes place one year after Arkham City And why I say this? Because of the fact that Arkham Origins has modern smartphones on it If you really want to set actual dates, you can do something like this: set Arkham Origins on 2013, making Batman's first appearance in the Arkhamverse on 2011 And since Batman's whole crusade (counting the games and prequel comics) amounts to the total of 12 years, you could say that Batman was active from 2011 to 2025
If you visit Leslie Thompkins while playing as Malone, there’s a conversation about “the kid”. Bruce asks Thompkins if she can find him, which is referenced in the end credits. she says “it wasn’t hard to find him.”
The shadow figure stalking you is just hinting at the Scarecrow sequence later in the game, the game is literally ABOUT your shadow self so it was just showing that its lingering over him at all times
That was my impression too. I think the bullet going straight through is just the criminal being confused because it happened too fast. Or he took a shot and missed, but he's not gonna admit that, is he?
This game makes me really hate Crane way more than Arkham Asylum and even Knight given the fact he was responsible for not creating this mess in Arkham Shadow but also creating Two Face it kinda makes the scene from Arkham Aslyum where he gets almost eaten by Croc leaving only his damage face a lot more deserving for what he did in this game. That said, Elijah Wood did an amazing job as Dr Crane (plus he sounded a lot like Dino Andrade who did Scarecrow in Arkham Aslyum.) I think he would be great as a live action Scarecrow/Crane in either DCU Batman story or more likely in Matt Reeves The Batman 2?
The funny thing is that Arkham Shadow actually doesn't paint Crane as a criminal. He's an asshole, sure, but: - All his test subjects were volunteers (he's not the one that made prisoners go missing). - Wesker was a murderer before he met Crane; Wesker wasn't even that violent when he killed Donnegan as the in-game dialog makes it clear that Donnegan was the one who attacked him for borrowing "Woody" without permission, and Wesker merely defended himself (though when Donnegan dies, Wesker panics and says it's "like last time", presumably referring to the murder that landed him in Blackgate in the first place). Before he was attacked by Donnegan, all signs pointed to Wesker actually doing well in therapy. - He didn't seem to be manipulating Dent beyond pressuring him to stay in the study. Two-Face even spoke up during one of their therapy sessions and Crane didn't realize what was happening. Crane apparently didn't even realize Dent had DID. Which is shoddy psychiatry, but not a crime. - The chemical wasn't meant to be splashed on anyone. The news broadcast later mentioned that in pure liquid form, the chemical was highly caustic, but that it was meant to be used with a nebulizer which would dilute it in the air. Nobody's face was meant to be melted. Crane was just trying to do exactly what he was being asked to do by a judge: test the witness's sanity. - Batman had to fight his "shadow", but only because he walked through the gas-filled room where Crane had been treating Wesker. Batman dosed himself. And facing his own shadow was, in fact, very therapeutic for him. When he snaps out of it, it becomes obvious that he's just been beating the shit out of Crane. - Crane can't even be blamed for TYGER's actions, as he is only put in charge of them for one night, and very loudly tells them that he really doesn't give a shit about the particulars of what they're up to, and to stop bothering him about it. Crane is an abrasive asshole, sure, and his therapy didn't help Dent... but it was experimental, which means he didn't know it would have that effect on Dent. So at this point in the timeline, he's not a criminal mastermind; just a corner-cutting quack and a bad boss.
Another interesting thing about the dick Grayson thing the way he lands after been thrown by Batman very similar to the dead nightwing body from the first vr game. Obviously that’s one of Batmans dreams/ nightmares but it also suggests that Bruce is semi consistently thinking about the details of the night he first met dick
@@Bman32x the games a bit vague obviously and that’s a fair assumption of what the game may have meant. There are a few small details that suggest it’s not that. The biggest one being the batsuit. When you put on the batsuit it gives you the suits model number, and the suit is an older model than the knight suit meaning that VR has to happen before knight Leading to VR widely being accepted as a hallucination/ dream Batman has between city and knight. Showing jokers slow influence on Bruce’s mind getting him to add weapons to the Batmobile and trying to make him more of a killer (something that’s hinted at in knight). This would also explain why Batman doesn’t want Tim or Dicks help in knight he’s spend all this tim dreaming that he’ll break and kill them and now he’s actually breaking thanks to fear toxin and joker blood
It’s crazy respectable how much they paid attention to little lore details and care for Arkham Origins, AO Online, and AO Blackgate. Most people haven’t even played Origins (much less Blackgate and Online) as it’s seen as the black sheep of the Arkham series and isn’t even playable on modern consoles so most people wouldn’t even care or even notice if they messed with the continuity of the games.
As a lifelong Batman fan, I caught the "Joe" thing as soon as he first introduced himself. The little hints afterwards (especially during the session with Dr. Quinn) only made it that much more obvious to me. Was a pretty good reveal in the end, and I love how Bruce handled it, though I would have loved to hear a follow up conversion between him and Alfred about it.
13:00 While I’m positive it could be Barbara Gordon beginning the Batgirl persona but I actually think the one there’s one other suspect regarding the “Second Batman” I think potentially it could be Andrea Beaumont, A.K.A The Phantasm! The ability to vanish in smoke, bullets passing through the suspect’s body all match The Phantasms skills & abilities, having been confused as Batman quite a few times in her debut as a vigilante.
Something interesting is that at the start of the game if you go to the bathroom there is a book in the toilet called "crime and punishment" that is a reference to a comic that features two face, they clearly took inspiration from that comic for this game's two face and they forshadowed it from the very beginning of the game!
I'd say it was way more awkward when the guy who trained him was the one who, essentially, caused the guy who was like a brother to kill himself. It'll be interesting to see how that gets handled.
I like the fact that “Matches” Malone was born in this game. Aside from burning the Bat signal, the burning of Shreik probably scarred him enough to accept the nickname. Random note: Arnold Wesker has a nice bow tie. Wouldn’t be surprised if Joker likes it, too.
Black Mask, The Joker, Lucius Fox, The Penguin, Vicki Vale and many more people can also be heard if you find and call up numbers on random telephones around the map
The shadow following you around can be anyone, but I do like the idea of Martian Manhunter... it could be: Barbara (Batgirl) The League of Assassins The court of owls The order of St. Dumas (they have some importance in Blackgate island) And a lot of people really think it is some kind of foreshadowing to the Bat demon
Someone in a different video suggested the stalking figure could be Ra's Al Ghul, as he has glowing eyes, is stealthy as an assassin, and has clearly been interested in Batman since Arkham Origins.
One thing I like in Arkham Shadow, and which some other adaptations introduce, is the idea that Harleen Quinzel already had this element of crazy in her before she was ever Harley Quinn, and Joker coaxed that part of her out to his advantage.
2:40 I interpreted this differently. I perceived the board as the GCPD fooling around and just coming up with the most unlikely candidates for Batman’s identity. None of these suggestions are serious, and the more outlandish the better. Bruce Wayne is up there with Bigfoot, Dracula, Santa Claus, and Aliens. So someone thinks the idea of Bruce Wayne being Batman is one of the dumbest possibilities out there, and got others to laugh and agree.
The funny thing about Origins i remember when the Batman identity board came up, is that I remember The Riddler in Origins, briefly speculate if Bruce was Batman only to say something like "no, that rich kid would never get his hands dirty"
This video made me feel like a kid. I miss those times in which I came back from school and was amazed by arkham citys and origins easter eggs videos. The arkham saga always had a dark aura, you felt like you were part of a world so big, with so much dangers to face as batman. This game made me feel like that again, and Im so glad we have new arkham content after the mess SQKTJL was.
@itsame43 If I remember correctly, Arkham origins online takes place 6 months after the events of Origins which means they SPEEDRAN Dick's training to be Robin! And I mean SPEED!
@@vanishingllama7342 I mean, look at him as a rat. He took batman head on. Took a couple of punches head on and didn't go down until he was punched through a brick wall. If anything, Batman just trained Dick to control his potential.
When I saw Joe’s reaction to hearing about Bruce’s childhood in the therapy sessions in my first play through, as a joke I said out loud, “he’s the one who killed them!” And then when they revealed that he did I was shocked
Same and it's so obvious since in the comics, the man who killed Bruce's parents is Joe Chill so having a character we get close to turn out to be THE Joe Chill makes so much sense
Awesome to see Firefly again, especially with Crispin Freeman returning and absolutely killing it in the voice acting. Pretty much the voice I hear when reading the comics.
@@dawudabdulali3827 I’m gonna assume that how he meets all 3 robins in this universe Comes across Jason stealing his wheels. beats him up Tim shows up saying he wants to help and figured out his identity. Beats him up
Two face even says these very words to Batman in Arkham knight: “you remember the mob, right? The guys who burned half our face off cuz THEY COULDNT GET TO YOU?!?!” Though I can’t justify the last bit of that sentence, I can the first bit. The mob includes falcone and his men, and at the time, “Malone” was too. And since Harvey didn’t know it was Bruce, all he saw was another piece of mob scum, thus justifying why he mistook Bruce for the mob and why Harvey thought the mob burned off his face
Another clue about Joe Chill: later on in the game he gifts you a poster of Rita Farr, which seems very odd and random at first, but upon closer inspection you can notice that she wears a pearl necklace! Just like Martha Wayne.
The Black Mask and Lynn's in solitary cells, Bird, Boyle, Bronze Tiger and Ricky all cameo in Black gate alongside characters like Wesker, such great Easter eggs that add to the Arkham Universe Lore! Much love
Considering Gordon clearly knows by the time of Arkham Knight and presumably knew for some time it's not crazy he worked it out years ago. Also I never got that it was Grayson thanks
Did he know by the time of Knight though? He only knew Bruce was Batman after Jason took off his own mask and referred to Bruce by name multiple times. Not to mention that after Bruce took down Jason, he called Alfred while Gordon was still in the room.
@@nofacedgoldfish6216 yeah but the way he says it in the elevator it didn't seem like "oh so that's who you are" more like something he was keeping under his hat but now he knows. Gordon is supposed to be good at his job and he knows Batman better than anyone that doesn't know his identity, It always made sense to me that he knew or at least always strongly suspected but didn't bring it up for plausible deniability.
@@nofacedgoldfish6216 In one of the comics Bruce himself says "Gordon is too good of an detective to not have figured it out already" and even though it's from an completely unrelated comic that quote fits with most Batman versions, including Arkham.
This makes me happy and mad at the same time they clearly put a lot of passion into this game but it being only available on meta quest makes it unavailable to so many
It was either we get it on only meta or we don’t get it at all…. Those were the only two possibilities. You can wish all you want but it was this or nothing. Us VR fans that enjoy a wireless headset deserve exclusives too. I didn’t see anybody saying it was such a travesty that Half-Life: Alyx was only on pcvr…. Shadow was perfectly created and optimized for quest 3, and thus if you want to play it, you need a quest 3. Are you also upset that you can’t use safari on an android phone? I’ve had the same phantom pain for a new Arkham game brother, but my faith was rewarded and I didn’t even have to buy a quest to play it… I already had one a while before I found out about Arkham Shadow. Why? Because there are actually some incredible VR titles on Quest that are well worth a $500 headset. I got it before there even was a $300 option. One of the best purchases I’ve ever made, the best being actually buying Arkham Shadow itself and having the opportunity to support the amazing work these devs have put in instead of just hearing about it and complaining on TH-cam.
i’d take this than the crapstorm that was SSKTJL. they respected the franchise more than the original studio 😭(and yes i’ve heard the rumor of a new Batman Arkham game being made by Rocksteady. i don’t see SS as canon but rather just an alternate Arkham universe)
Not sure if it was just me, but the clear turn away from Joe after you said the story kinda put it together for me. At that point I figured with the name and everything, yeah that's definitely Joe Chill. Didn't expect him to have a crazy major part in the story, like the scene at the end, thought it might've just been an easter egg.
Anarky is still out there. He calls into a radio show hosted by Vic Sage talking about possible Rat King theories. And then calls Sage out as taking conspiracy theories to a whole new level when they mention Gotham's Illuminati and their not Zombie assassins. It made me so happy. I loved Anarky in Origins
@@ThaliaQuinn-tu1cp Random question but do you remember where/when that audio plays? I want to get footage of it but I don't remember where to look lol
@@Knerd-YT So if you go to Arkham Videos Shadow playthrough it is part 3, timestamp is approx 1:09:06. Or if you are looking for the point in the game to play yourself it is Night 3, before entering Death Row
You also forgot to mention with Dick how in the credits, the game says that Josh Keaton voices the "Projection Room Rat." Josh Keaton also voiced Robin in Arkham Origins multiplayer, so that's another way you can connect the two together.
3:05-6:24 I do pray very hard that if they make another Arkham installment, It shows Dick Grayson's path to becoming Batman's first partner. His way to becoming Robin. I already have SO MANY ideas!
I really can’t believe that they included Joe Chill in the game. The very man who made Batman. I would’ve loved to see a conversation between a grown up Bruce and Joe in the game.
Harvey's scarring happening here is a micro retcon with all the Long Halloween references in games and those events being a Two-Face origin. With how sequel baiting this game is I really hope the next Arkham installment goes into this universe's Long Halloween, especially now that Harvey's role would be different.
13:16 it could be Thomas Wayne Jr. aka. Owl man , this would make since as I’m sure in the dark Owl man would look very similar to Batman, he’s also said to be faster than Batman and shorter being anywhere between a few inches shorter or in some comics owl man can even look a whole foot shorter than Batman, Owlman has enhanced abilities such as speed, sight, and he can move silently which would give him the appearance of a shadow when you can’t see them clearly
The game makes reference to the Court of Owls with the audio from Gotham News as Anarky(yeah he's back) spouts out a theory involving a Gotham Illuminati group with assassins so drugged up they can't feel pain and can tank a bullet( *COUGH COUGH* "Talon" *COUGH COUGH* )
I wish they’d just stop and LEAVE the Arkham series and universe ALONE. Smh. This game and sui.c ide squad are tainting the series/universe. It had an awesome track record and they keep ruining it with these new lackluster games. they need to leave this universe alone…
13:45 I’d really like the stalker to be Talon. The Court have been confirmed to exist in this universe, but it would be fun to see them in a future Arkham game
Great video Knerd! I missed the Grayson link watching Arkham Videos' play-through of the game, and it would make for a unique background of the first Robin. And the Joe Chill reveal and Two-Face transformation were powerful twists that add so much to the universe. The latter in particular cos now, the dialogue between Batman and Harvey in Arkham Knight hits different given that we know Batman is responsible in a very direct way for Harvey's scarring. Keep up the great work! 🙂
the detail they put in the story is great, I hope they make another vr batman or a dlc. I would purchase 100% (fun fact: depending on your health, your cape will have holes in it. Gliding while damaged and looking at your wings you will see holes in them, less health, more holes)
Dick Grayson needed that ass whooping. He loses his parents and joined a cult. This is a callback to that meme of Robin saying something only for Batman to slap him.
Dude! U guessed it and were right as Boles was a former Tyger Guard! :O Also didnt know that could be Dick Grayson as a member of the Rats :O Interesting to have him possibly be in a criminal group too and is much older here too compared to how young he was in the comics :)
How much i enjoyed seeing a cameo from bronze tiger but also that interaction with Firefly was top tier man yes this game was very much needed after SSKJL‼️‼️
I am going to take a swing and say that the unknown figure is the Spectre. It makes sense if a ghost like figure comes for Bruce to see if he will become an agent of vengeance
I don’t think Bruce is the one who created Two-Face because in Arkham Knight after you capture him Batman says “That wasn’t my fault” referring to what happened in the courtroom, and Bruce is not one to not take the blame of what happens. I personally think Bruce went to grab the canister but Crane tried to pull his hand back not knowing Harvey was behind him which caused it to break in Harvey’s face. This would also explain why Crane seemed so nervous and immediately tried to inflict blame on Malon, and why the News said “Malon grabbed the canister and threw it at Harvey”
Yeah good call, that’s exactly what happens so your theory is correct. Slow the video down to 0.25x and you can see Bruce grab for the canister, then Crane pulls his arm back super fast with force. It comes around super fast and smashes Harvey across his face.
I like to think that Gordon knew since Origins of bruce's identity and that he was the one who suggested it was bruce who is Bats but everyone else doubted it.
The part where they try to find Batman's identity was probably something they wanted to do during origins, however here they seem to make fun of who he is, which feels rather real
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The Two-Face origin was so lackluster though! Anyone that gets acid to the face would be screaming and rolling on the ground uncontrollably. Not only that, but it just out of left field, seeing that in Asylum, City and Knight Batman has no remorse at all what happened to Harvey. That would hunt Bruce if he had anything to do with what happened to him. That was silly to have Bruce involved, it should have been just some random Falcone thug or even Boles.
I don't know for a person who had acid thrown at their face, he reacted pretty realistic, the huge shock he has makes him numb to the pain due to how LARGE it is, also batman arkham has been shown to be really cold in the series because he does not want to hurt anyone
It's heavily hinted that at the end of the game, Harvey is losing himself to Two-Face which could be why Batman isn't showing remorse because the man he grew up with and saw as a brother is no longer there, just a psychopath using his body but that's what I think
I think it’s actually Martian Manhunter stalking Batman. Maybe they’re starting to form the League and the only way to get Batman’s attention is making him paranoid enough to seek him out.
well if the stalker is nightmare batman then he can't of been the one who opened the door because a hallucination wouldn't be able to interact with the real world
@@batmanbeyond5766 I mean batmans hallucinations are crazy (I mean look at the shit his mind makes up in knight) maybe he hallucinations seeing the door shut and it was always shut
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Played it with my best friend, my glasses were causing problems near the end of my playthrough though so I took a break to play sonic x Shadow generations, then I finished Arkham shadow after that, also I think arkham shadows sounds better than the games title.
Batman must've beat the amnesia into Dick cause there is no way in hell that I'm working for someone who throws me through a brick wall.
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@@tierk4328 imagine his fear when he learns the man who throw him through a brick wall is adopting him
Nah he was going to counseling and rehabilitation
Eh, if Dick didn't get amnesia, I still see why he wants to go to Batman. He knows first hand his skill and heard from Leslie that he's changing, so he's willing to take the risk to learn and better himself
Lmao
While it's basically confirmed and this isn't as needed, a pal of mine got into the games files and found that the Rat is even labelled as Dick Grayson.
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Same as Jason Todd in the Arkham Knight diner
@БогданКрименюк I think that model had a different purpose originally, like a hallucination section themed around Bats seeing Jason become a zombie, because putting Jason in that diner doesn't make sense plan wise. There's no immunity to fear toxin in Arkhamverse except having the willpower to fight it, Jason would've been the same wreck as everyone else in there.
@@GamePulseYT No, he just wanted to rip Matches' model to put into Bonelab.
He might be working on others if there aren't 15 Batman player models by now
and canonized events from arkham origins blackgate
12:08 It's Babs the evidence bored confirms it because it states it saved Jim from Killer Moth which is what Batgirl did in the Arkham lore. They likely think it's a dude because Babs cowl doesn't show her yet and she speaks in a more deep tone plus her armor is mostly police vests so it hides her female frame.
Why would she be in black gate tho?
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Maybe she knows who Batman is and guess that Matches Malone is Bruce. She is spying and checking in on him?
Nice catch, but then why wasn’t she wearing her suit when she broke into Shrike’s apartment?
@@afkmh2392 rather she’s in the shadows helping Bruce or if she’s not technically affiliated with batman yet maybe it’s her following the same rat king lead as Bruce
@@afkmh2392If you are referring to shadow man I think that's a hallucination.
Camouflaj didn't just do their homework on Arkham lore, they did the extra credit assignments as well
I agree !!
I agree, the length's they did to make shadow tie up to the arkham verse is genuinely impressive. They knew where to expand upon like two-face's history, scarecrow's influence and revisiting past origin characters and of course Batman's character arc from origin to shadows.
This is the level of effort I expected at minimum from Rocksteady.
Are you guys on meth? They in fact did retconed stuff. In knight, two face blames batman for bringing that " acid throwing bastard" to the docks. In the game batman is not responsible for malone's imprisionment or the reason he was taken to trial. Also in shadow, otis flannegan was born in 1988 and is clearly older than 20 years old. Arkham city was open in the late 20th century in nineteen ninety something. So in the best scenario arkham city was opened in 1999. That makes flannegan 11 years old in the events of city which is absurd. In addition, strange mentions wayne to dent but never mentions they were childhood friends and dent simply states that "they" hate the guy. Furthermore, how did bruce know nothing about the order of st dumas in city and knight when he literally learned about the whole profecy during cyrus pinkney audio files in shadow. It is also said that the tyger force was unknown to anyone but strange in city yet everyone had contact with them before during shadow. The thing is that the bar set for games is so low at the moment that a good and fun game with plot holes is considered a masterpiece and devs are praised for doing the minimum they are supposed to.
@@michaelscott4349Just so you know, there isn't a canonically accurate timeline of the games
We just know that Arkham Origins was first and it was taking place during Batman's second year of crime fighting, Arkham Asylum takes place 8 years after Origins, we can place Arkham Shadow around year 3 or 4, Arkham City takes place a year and a half after Asylum, and finally, Arkham Knight takes place one year after Arkham City
And why I say this?
Because of the fact that Arkham Origins has modern smartphones on it
If you really want to set actual dates, you can do something like this: set Arkham Origins on 2013, making Batman's first appearance in the Arkhamverse on 2011
And since Batman's whole crusade (counting the games and prequel comics) amounts to the total of 12 years, you could say that Batman was active from 2011 to 2025
Troy Baker at 9:21 really nailing that Hamill impression
Fr, sounds like a younger hamill joker and I love it
Not really
@@doctorfrosty3546 64 people agreed with me
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He’s such an amazing voice actor, the fact that he can go from playing someone like the joker to playing someone like Joel Miller
If you visit Leslie Thompkins while playing as Malone, there’s a conversation about “the kid”. Bruce asks Thompkins if she can find him, which is referenced in the end credits. she says “it wasn’t hard to find him.”
Didn’t play Shadow, what does it mean?
@@Zexrow23it confirms Knerds second theory.
The shadow figure stalking you is just hinting at the Scarecrow sequence later in the game, the game is literally ABOUT your shadow self so it was just showing that its lingering over him at all times
I think the “copy-bat” could be Barbara pretending to be batman, I dont know if the stalking figure is the copybat but it could be possible
That was my impression too. I think the bullet going straight through is just the criminal being confused because it happened too fast. Or he took a shot and missed, but he's not gonna admit that, is he?
Woudnt that retcon that one comic tho ? Eh who cares about that thing anyways.
@@dawudabdulali3827 would it truly be an Arkham game if it didn’t retcon a pre-existing comic tho
@@blistow3519 yeah, but who cares about the comics ? Most aren't canon anyways
With the bullet comment i immediately thought of the phantasm everyone did think the phantasm was batman
This game makes me really hate Crane way more than Arkham Asylum and even Knight given the fact he was responsible for not creating this mess in Arkham Shadow but also creating Two Face it kinda makes the scene from Arkham Aslyum where he gets almost eaten by Croc leaving only his damage face a lot more deserving for what he did in this game.
That said, Elijah Wood did an amazing job as Dr Crane (plus he sounded a lot like Dino Andrade who did Scarecrow in Arkham Aslyum.) I think he would be great as a live action Scarecrow/Crane in either DCU Batman story or more likely in Matt Reeves The Batman 2?
The funny thing is that Arkham Shadow actually doesn't paint Crane as a criminal. He's an asshole, sure, but:
- All his test subjects were volunteers (he's not the one that made prisoners go missing).
- Wesker was a murderer before he met Crane; Wesker wasn't even that violent when he killed Donnegan as the in-game dialog makes it clear that Donnegan was the one who attacked him for borrowing "Woody" without permission, and Wesker merely defended himself (though when Donnegan dies, Wesker panics and says it's "like last time", presumably referring to the murder that landed him in Blackgate in the first place). Before he was attacked by Donnegan, all signs pointed to Wesker actually doing well in therapy.
- He didn't seem to be manipulating Dent beyond pressuring him to stay in the study. Two-Face even spoke up during one of their therapy sessions and Crane didn't realize what was happening. Crane apparently didn't even realize Dent had DID. Which is shoddy psychiatry, but not a crime.
- The chemical wasn't meant to be splashed on anyone. The news broadcast later mentioned that in pure liquid form, the chemical was highly caustic, but that it was meant to be used with a nebulizer which would dilute it in the air. Nobody's face was meant to be melted. Crane was just trying to do exactly what he was being asked to do by a judge: test the witness's sanity.
- Batman had to fight his "shadow", but only because he walked through the gas-filled room where Crane had been treating Wesker. Batman dosed himself. And facing his own shadow was, in fact, very therapeutic for him. When he snaps out of it, it becomes obvious that he's just been beating the shit out of Crane.
- Crane can't even be blamed for TYGER's actions, as he is only put in charge of them for one night, and very loudly tells them that he really doesn't give a shit about the particulars of what they're up to, and to stop bothering him about it.
Crane is an abrasive asshole, sure, and his therapy didn't help Dent... but it was experimental, which means he didn't know it would have that effect on Dent. So at this point in the timeline, he's not a criminal mastermind; just a corner-cutting quack and a bad boss.
ELIJAH WOOD PLAYED CRANE?!!! WHAAAT
@@armorblack8807 Elijah Wood voices Dr Crane in Arkham Shadow!
@@WyattDucar He didn't just voice him he acted it out.
@@theramblinmahoney2316 Yeah he really the motion capture for the game which is very cool. He also admit that he is a big Batman fan!
Another interesting thing about the dick Grayson thing the way he lands after been thrown by Batman very similar to the dead nightwing body from the first vr game. Obviously that’s one of Batmans dreams/ nightmares but it also suggests that Bruce is semi consistently thinking about the details of the night he first met dick
I always took it as that was how the evil route in Arkham knight was going to end the game with you killing the bat family.
@@Bman32x the games a bit vague obviously and that’s a fair assumption of what the game may have meant.
There are a few small details that suggest it’s not that. The biggest one being the batsuit. When you put on the batsuit it gives you the suits model number, and the suit is an older model than the knight suit meaning that VR has to happen before knight
Leading to VR widely being accepted as a hallucination/ dream Batman has between city and knight. Showing jokers slow influence on Bruce’s mind getting him to add weapons to the Batmobile and trying to make him more of a killer (something that’s hinted at in knight). This would also explain why Batman doesn’t want Tim or Dicks help in knight he’s spend all this tim dreaming that he’ll break and kill them and now he’s actually breaking thanks to fear toxin and joker blood
@@Bman32xnah, it's confirmed to be a recurring nightmare Bruce has between City and Knight
Yeah, in the alley as well.
It’s crazy respectable how much they paid attention to little lore details and care for Arkham Origins, AO Online, and AO Blackgate. Most people haven’t even played Origins (much less Blackgate and Online) as it’s seen as the black sheep of the Arkham series and isn’t even playable on modern consoles so most people wouldn’t even care or even notice if they messed with the continuity of the games.
For real !! Batman’s voice sound more deeper and black mask voice too you can kind of hear black mask change into the voice of Arkham city version
Origins is playable on modern consoles. I just played through it on Xbox series X in preparation for Shadow
@adamc117 you'd have to get the disc in order to do that technically. But no chance in digital version.
@@adamc117not on ps5 tho
@@minertitan9890 cause PS5 has no games
So Bruce recreated “Robin gets punched in the face” meme
The backhand slap?
As a lifelong Batman fan, I caught the "Joe" thing as soon as he first introduced himself. The little hints afterwards (especially during the session with Dr. Quinn) only made it that much more obvious to me. Was a pretty good reveal in the end, and I love how Bruce handled it, though I would have loved to hear a follow up conversion between him and Alfred about it.
13:00 While I’m positive it could be Barbara Gordon beginning the Batgirl persona but I actually think the one there’s one other suspect regarding the “Second Batman” I think potentially it could be Andrea Beaumont, A.K.A The Phantasm! The ability to vanish in smoke, bullets passing through the suspect’s body all match The Phantasms skills & abilities, having been confused as Batman quite a few times in her debut as a vigilante.
Ok I think amongst all the theories I've seen, this one seems the most possible.
I didn't actually think of The Phantasm, that's a really good theory
Plus considering how they thought it was a dude lines up with the original phantasm story
There’s also a voicemail message from Andrea so the devs were clearly thinking about her
Something interesting is that at the start of the game if you go to the bathroom there is a book in the toilet called "crime and punishment" that is a reference to a comic that features two face, they clearly took inspiration from that comic for this game's two face and they forshadowed it from the very beginning of the game!
They tied shadow so much to the arkham games I love it, more than what the original devs did on whatever SSKTJL was.
Camouflaj honor the legacy of Rocksteady/WB Games Montréal.
Rocksteady themselves spit in the face of their own legacy.
Dont blame the studio. Blame seftin hill@@huytungnguyen119
SSKTJL? Never heard of it.
Suicide Squad Kill the Justice League. It takes place in the Arkham universe, but Arkham Knights doesn't and isn't canln@@briansandstrom9249
Oh it’s a new dev team?
It must of been awkward when Dick found out the guy who trained him threw him into a wall💀
I'd say it was way more awkward when the guy who trained him was the one who, essentially, caused the guy who was like a brother to kill himself. It'll be interesting to see how that gets handled.
I like the fact that “Matches” Malone was born in this game. Aside from burning the Bat signal, the burning of Shreik probably scarred him enough to accept the nickname.
Random note: Arnold Wesker has a nice bow tie. Wouldn’t be surprised if Joker likes it, too.
the model for that former rat kid is also named 'dick grayson' to
At first i thought they retconned how harvey gets scarred. But after you explained it i think it fits in the series.
I'm pretty sure the Santa, Dracula and Bigfoot board is a reference to a very similar board in Batman 89.
and in the Dark Knight.
Black Mask, The Joker, Lucius Fox, The Penguin, Vicki Vale and many more people can also be heard if you find and call up numbers on random telephones around the map
The shadow following you around can be anyone, but I do like the idea of Martian Manhunter... it could be:
Barbara (Batgirl)
The League of Assassins
The court of owls
The order of St. Dumas (they have some importance in Blackgate island)
And a lot of people really think it is some kind of foreshadowing to the Bat demon
Someone in a different video suggested the stalking figure could be Ra's Al Ghul, as he has glowing eyes, is stealthy as an assassin, and has clearly been interested in Batman since Arkham Origins.
Or Azreal
One thing I like in Arkham Shadow, and which some other adaptations introduce, is the idea that Harleen Quinzel already had this element of crazy in her before she was ever Harley Quinn, and Joker coaxed that part of her out to his advantage.
2:40 I interpreted this differently. I perceived the board as the GCPD fooling around and just coming up with the most unlikely candidates for Batman’s identity. None of these suggestions are serious, and the more outlandish the better. Bruce Wayne is up there with Bigfoot, Dracula, Santa Claus, and Aliens. So someone thinks the idea of Bruce Wayne being Batman is one of the dumbest possibilities out there, and got others to laugh and agree.
I thought that the copycat was going to be Prometheus, I’ve always wanted to see him in a game since his profile in Asylum
Apparently he was supposed to appear in _Knight_
8:51 “WHAT DO YOU WANT” 💀
He said it like he was about to punch Joker through the wall.
The funny thing about Origins i remember when the Batman identity board came up, is that I remember The Riddler in Origins, briefly speculate if Bruce was Batman only to say something like "no, that rich kid would never get his hands dirty"
This video made me feel like a kid. I miss those times in which I came back from school and was amazed by arkham citys and origins easter eggs videos. The arkham saga always had a dark aura, you felt like you were part of a world so big, with so much dangers to face as batman. This game made me feel like that again, and Im so glad we have new arkham content after the mess SQKTJL was.
3:01 Robin's origin???😮 This is an awesome take on the character! It's also just funny that THIS is how they met by beating the snot out of the other.
Batman was really beating the shit out of him. I can't believe that's his origin. Takes Domestic Abuse to a whole other level.
@@tierk4328 NAH 😂
But wasn't dick working with Batman in Arkham origins online?
@itsame43 If I remember correctly, Arkham origins online takes place 6 months after the events of Origins which means they SPEEDRAN Dick's training to be Robin! And I mean SPEED!
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I mean, look at him as a rat. He took batman head on. Took a couple of punches head on and didn't go down until he was punched through a brick wall.
If anything, Batman just trained Dick to control his potential.
ayo they got officer balls
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When I saw Joe’s reaction to hearing about Bruce’s childhood in the therapy sessions in my first play through, as a joke I said out loud, “he’s the one who killed them!” And then when they revealed that he did I was shocked
Same and it's so obvious since in the comics, the man who killed Bruce's parents is Joe Chill so having a character we get close to turn out to be THE Joe Chill makes so much sense
Awesome to see Firefly again, especially with Crispin Freeman returning and absolutely killing it in the voice acting. Pretty much the voice I hear when reading the comics.
It's pretty insane how batmam met Richard was beating him to a pulp, interesting.
calling him richard feels strange
@@dawudabdulali3827 I’m gonna assume that how he meets all 3 robins in this universe
Comes across Jason stealing his wheels. beats him up
Tim shows up saying he wants to help and figured out his identity. Beats him up
@@jamespopcornfrfr I felt like saying richard
I have a theory that Hugo killed bolton to take control of the tyger in arkham city
Possibly
I think the shadow might be Batgirl, she wouldn't tell Batman when she started because he was already off on the idea of her helping him
I love this idea!
It could be Azrael
It could be.. but I don’t see how she’d get into black gate just to follow Batman around and somehow get back home in time to be oracle
Azrael The Dark Angel
@@bbinc300 i don’t think lane would be azrael at this point in the series but it could be john paul valley tho if it is azrael.
Two face even says these very words to Batman in Arkham knight: “you remember the mob, right? The guys who burned half our face off cuz THEY COULDNT GET TO YOU?!?!” Though I can’t justify the last bit of that sentence, I can the first bit. The mob includes falcone and his men, and at the time, “Malone” was too. And since Harvey didn’t know it was Bruce, all he saw was another piece of mob scum, thus justifying why he mistook Bruce for the mob and why Harvey thought the mob burned off his face
Another clue about Joe Chill: later on in the game he gifts you a poster of Rita Farr, which seems very odd and random at first, but upon closer inspection you can notice that she wears a pearl necklace! Just like Martha Wayne.
The Black Mask and Lynn's in solitary cells, Bird, Boyle, Bronze Tiger and Ricky all cameo in Black gate alongside characters like Wesker, such great Easter eggs that add to the Arkham Universe Lore! Much love
Firefly's cameo in solidary is so hilarious because of how supportive of a firebug Matches is. His banter was so cordial
Considering Gordon clearly knows by the time of Arkham Knight and presumably knew for some time it's not crazy he worked it out years ago.
Also I never got that it was Grayson thanks
Did he know by the time of Knight though? He only knew Bruce was Batman after Jason took off his own mask and referred to Bruce by name multiple times. Not to mention that after Bruce took down Jason, he called Alfred while Gordon was still in the room.
@@nofacedgoldfish6216 yeah but the way he says it in the elevator it didn't seem like "oh so that's who you are" more like something he was keeping under his hat but now he knows.
Gordon is supposed to be good at his job and he knows Batman better than anyone that doesn't know his identity, It always made sense to me that he knew or at least always strongly suspected but didn't bring it up for plausible deniability.
@@RedcoatTrooper That is actually a fair point.
@@nofacedgoldfish6216 In one of the comics Bruce himself says "Gordon is too good of an detective to not have figured it out already" and even though it's from an completely unrelated comic that quote fits with most Batman versions, including Arkham.
@@theo17508 That's a fair point too.
This makes me happy and mad at the same time they clearly put a lot of passion into this game but it being only available on meta quest makes it unavailable to so many
It was either we get it on only meta or we don’t get it at all…. Those were the only two possibilities. You can wish all you want but it was this or nothing. Us VR fans that enjoy a wireless headset deserve exclusives too. I didn’t see anybody saying it was such a travesty that Half-Life: Alyx was only on pcvr…. Shadow was perfectly created and optimized for quest 3, and thus if you want to play it, you need a quest 3. Are you also upset that you can’t use safari on an android phone? I’ve had the same phantom pain for a new Arkham game brother, but my faith was rewarded and I didn’t even have to buy a quest to play it… I already had one a while before I found out about Arkham Shadow. Why? Because there are actually some incredible VR titles on Quest that are well worth a $500 headset. I got it before there even was a $300 option. One of the best purchases I’ve ever made, the best being actually buying Arkham Shadow itself and having the opportunity to support the amazing work these devs have put in instead of just hearing about it and complaining on TH-cam.
i’d take this than the crapstorm that was SSKTJL. they respected the franchise more than the original studio 😭(and yes i’ve heard the rumor of a new Batman Arkham game being made by Rocksteady. i don’t see SS as canon but rather just an alternate Arkham universe)
@@oi7917 Batman is alive in SSKTJL by the way
@@adamc117 yeah, i’m aware of this! i’m just saying the overall execution of the story was horrible and felt disrespectful towards Arkham Batman.
@@oi7917exactly especially since in each Batman game he did everything in one single night just to lose like that in whatever the hell ssktjl was
Roger's Sonic voice really shows itself when he's doing his Matches voice, which fits the cocky attitude. Roger is a really goated voice actor.
Not sure if it was just me, but the clear turn away from Joe after you said the story kinda put it together for me. At that point I figured with the name and everything, yeah that's definitely Joe Chill. Didn't expect him to have a crazy major part in the story, like the scene at the end, thought it might've just been an easter egg.
This game is awsome, its an amazing sequal to arkham origins, hope we get more games like this.
Knerd missing the Anarky easter egg in the file Harvey is holding💔
Anarky is still out there. He calls into a radio show hosted by Vic Sage talking about possible Rat King theories. And then calls Sage out as taking conspiracy theories to a whole new level when they mention Gotham's Illuminati and their not Zombie assassins. It made me so happy. I loved Anarky in Origins
I saved it for part 2!
@@Knerd-YT Please also consider how the city changed for this game compared to Arkham City and whether the ship that crashed is the Final Offer.
@@ThaliaQuinn-tu1cp Random question but do you remember where/when that audio plays? I want to get footage of it but I don't remember where to look lol
@@Knerd-YT So if you go to Arkham Videos Shadow playthrough it is part 3, timestamp is approx 1:09:06. Or if you are looking for the point in the game to play yourself it is Night 3, before entering Death Row
Surprised you didn't mention Bolton is the BTAS villain "Lockup"
Also in the game you can recognize a lot of the criminals who had a casefile from arkham origins as well.
You also forgot to mention with Dick how in the credits, the game says that Josh Keaton voices the "Projection Room Rat." Josh Keaton also voiced Robin in Arkham Origins multiplayer, so that's another way you can connect the two together.
3:05-6:24 I do pray very hard that if they make another Arkham installment, It shows Dick Grayson's path to becoming Batman's first partner. His way to becoming Robin.
I already have SO MANY ideas!
This makes Batman saying that Two-Face getting his face scarred wasn't his fault in Arkham Knight feel a lot different.
"I'm sorry, Harvey"
I really can’t believe that they included Joe Chill in the game. The very man who made Batman. I would’ve loved to see a conversation between a grown up Bruce and Joe in the game.
12:16 I thought of Barbara
Obvious right?
It's babs the evidence bored confirms it, likely think it's a dude because Babs cowl doesn't show her yet.
Why would she be in black gate though?
Azrael The Dark Angel
To think we could’ve gotten game like this instead of Suicide squad 😭😭 breaks my heart!
I didn’t notice half of these 👀
The maps at 10:12 are taken directly from Blackgate, too. You find them when trying to deduce the casefiles in that game.
based off of the drawing on the copy cat board thing, i think it’s prometheus.
24:24 MUSCLE MAN
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Harvey's scarring happening here is a micro retcon with all the Long Halloween references in games and those events being a Two-Face origin. With how sequel baiting this game is I really hope the next Arkham installment goes into this universe's Long Halloween, especially now that Harvey's role would be different.
Harley as Bruce's sidekick... sounds like a fun alternate universe story.
12:19 Its Knightmare Batman. Atleast thats who I saw when I played before he disappeared in smoke (blackgate walk)
13:16 it could be Thomas Wayne Jr. aka. Owl man , this would make since as I’m sure in the dark Owl man would look very similar to Batman, he’s also said to be faster than Batman and shorter being anywhere between a few inches shorter or in some comics owl man can even look a whole foot shorter than Batman, Owlman has enhanced abilities such as speed, sight, and he can move silently which would give him the appearance of a shadow when you can’t see them clearly
Firefly is a pyro psycho straight outta borderlands😭
Best thing is that it’s clearly setting up the next Arkham game which will likely be on console, think Arkham knight psvr
The game makes reference to the Court of Owls with the audio from Gotham News as Anarky(yeah he's back) spouts out a theory involving a Gotham Illuminati group with assassins so drugged up they can't feel pain and can tank a bullet( *COUGH COUGH* "Talon" *COUGH COUGH* )
I wish they’d just stop and LEAVE the Arkham series and universe ALONE. Smh.
This game and sui.c ide squad are tainting the series/universe. It had an awesome track record and they keep ruining it with these new lackluster games. they need to leave this universe alone…
@@christaylor7916 explain how this game is somehow tainting the universe by exploring characters that the og trilogy failed at?
13:45 I’d really like the stalker to be Talon. The Court have been confirmed to exist in this universe, but it would be fun to see them in a future Arkham game
That would be a great game for another origins sequel and have bruce and dick take on the court of owls.
Great video Knerd!
I missed the Grayson link watching Arkham Videos' play-through of the game, and it would make for a unique background of the first Robin. And the Joe Chill reveal and Two-Face transformation were powerful twists that add so much to the universe. The latter in particular cos now, the dialogue between Batman and Harvey in Arkham Knight hits different given that we know Batman is responsible in a very direct way for Harvey's scarring.
Keep up the great work! 🙂
This adds so much more for a Nightwing solo Arkham game broooo.
the detail they put in the story is great, I hope they make another vr batman or a dlc. I would purchase 100% (fun fact: depending on your health, your cape will have holes in it. Gliding while damaged and looking at your wings you will see holes in them, less health, more holes)
Officer Balls
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Dick Grayson needed that ass whooping. He loses his parents and joined a cult. This is a callback to that meme of Robin saying something only for Batman to slap him.
Dude! U guessed it and were right as Boles was a former Tyger Guard! :O Also didnt know that could be Dick Grayson as a member of the Rats :O Interesting to have him possibly be in a criminal group too and is much older here too compared to how young he was in the comics :)
How much i enjoyed seeing a cameo from bronze tiger but also that interaction with Firefly was top tier man yes this game was very much needed after SSKJL‼️‼️
Thank you you are one of my favorite arkham youtubers thank you so much
Thank you for liking my comment
The Dick grayson reveal was truly suprising.
Loooved the video, thank you brother
I think this game is one of the best Arkham games but it just lacks any endgame content. Hopefully they atleast add a new game plus or more challenges
O pls😂🤡
The devs Said they planned on adding more content and free dlc
I picked up on the hints about joe and realized right after the bolton bossfight and it was really heartbreaking to see batman find out
5th could be Prometheus Arkham(I think)
Wait... A stalker, maybe its Prometheus...
This actually Rocksteady Storytelling and it great
I am going to take a swing and say that the unknown figure is the Spectre. It makes sense if a ghost like figure comes for Bruce to see if he will become an agent of vengeance
I don’t think Bruce is the one who created Two-Face because in Arkham Knight after you capture him Batman says “That wasn’t my fault” referring to what happened in the courtroom, and Bruce is not one to not take the blame of what happens. I personally think Bruce went to grab the canister but Crane tried to pull his hand back not knowing Harvey was behind him which caused it to break in Harvey’s face. This would also explain why Crane seemed so nervous and immediately tried to inflict blame on Malon, and why the News said “Malon grabbed the canister and threw it at Harvey”
Yeah good call, that’s exactly what happens so your theory is correct. Slow the video down to 0.25x and you can see Bruce grab for the canister, then Crane pulls his arm back super fast with force. It comes around super fast and smashes Harvey across his face.
I think the shadow figure is a talon as there is two green lights in the areas where the eyes are at both sightings
This game just makes me want a console game that features Batman and Robin first coming together as a team.
"what are ya some kind of joker" is peak dialogue
I like to think that Gordon knew since Origins of bruce's identity and that he was the one who suggested it was bruce who is Bats but everyone else doubted it.
Can we get a sequel on console called ‘Batman and Robin: Arkham origins’?
Godddd please I wish
There is one it called Arkham origin online
Yes
I’m weak Batman trying to rip his pic of the board
God, I love Crispin Freeman so much, so cool to hear his crazy voice as Firefly again!
The part where they try to find Batman's identity was probably something they wanted to do during origins, however here they seem to make fun of who he is, which feels rather real
8:46 lmao batman mustve been inlressed 💀
Ok he dead ass just started talking normally once he figured he wasn't bullshitting joker 😭😭
The way you put batmans hands over the picture of bruce waynes face was funny like “oh no”
Please do more of these lore vids on arkham shadow 🙏 i loved this one
Bro thank you for making this! They put so much effort and attention to detail in the verse. Great job as well
Also Lyle Bolton is a Villain Called Lock-Up who first appears in Batman The Animated Series.
Batman voice going From “Matches” to Batman was kind of scary
28:45 Crane fucking spins around like Bruce gave him the mother of all punches. He totally was aiming for Harvey.
Keep it up on your work and this video and channel
I love this video and channel
Thanks you for your video and channel
I love Batman Arkham all games franchise
The Two-Face origin was so lackluster though! Anyone that gets acid to the face would be screaming and rolling on the ground uncontrollably. Not only that, but it just out of left field, seeing that in Asylum, City and Knight Batman has no remorse at all what happened to Harvey. That would hunt Bruce if he had anything to do with what happened to him. That was silly to have Bruce involved, it should have been just some random Falcone thug or even Boles.
I don't know for a person who had acid thrown at their face, he reacted pretty realistic, the huge shock he has makes him numb to the pain due to how LARGE it is, also batman arkham has been shown to be really cold in the series because he does not want to hurt anyone
It's heavily hinted that at the end of the game, Harvey is losing himself to Two-Face which could be why Batman isn't showing remorse because the man he grew up with and saw as a brother is no longer there, just a psychopath using his body but that's what I think
Exactly
I think it’s actually Martian Manhunter stalking Batman. Maybe they’re starting to form the League and the only way to get Batman’s attention is making him paranoid enough to seek him out.
well if the stalker is nightmare batman then he can't of been the one who opened the door because a hallucination wouldn't be able to interact with the real world
@@batmanbeyond5766 I mean batmans hallucinations are crazy (I mean look at the shit his mind makes up in knight) maybe he hallucinations seeing the door shut and it was always shut