Good comparison! My main firewood saw was a Stihl 026 (about 50cc). I switched to the 500i (about 79cc) and even though it is heavier I can cut much faster so less time cutting and with a longer bar I can buck standing up rather than hunched over so the back feels better.
Thanks for watching. I’m a diehard Husqvarna fan, but the Stihl 500i really has my interest. I haven’t run one yet, but the power to weight ratio is very impressive.
Thanks for watching David. The power to weight ratio of the 500i makes it a saw that can be used for most cutting requirements. I’m a Husky guy, but the 500i has my interest!
Love this conversation. One additional aspect for many to consider is how much wood and how often you cut. In my case I cut less than 30 face cord per year spread out over the nicer weather. So I chose a non pro saw but a 60 cc saw. Husky 460. Inexpensive with good power especially with an 18 bar. I simply don’t need more. But it seems that people like to spend lots of money for very lil gain. But if you use a saw most days pro saws are the to go. And in most cases you get what you pay for. The best part is to each his/her own. No wrong choices it’s just important to get out and cut.
Thanks for watching Stan. Your comments are spot on. You make a great point about the volume of wood cut being a factor in saw selection. The Husky 460 is a great and powerful saw for your situation.
Trevor from England I can’t understand why you worry about a few seconds , take your time and make sure you stay safe .You can take time having a break and a cup of tea.
Key word “professional”. For yard work a Husqvarna 445 xp is awesome but a pro grade saw from 50cc on up is best. My go to saw is a Stihl MS 261. Great show thanks.
Very thorough and well presented facts Dick. 3 minutes isn't squat in the grand pursuit for a chord. 500 cost difference nailed the practicality issue. The NEW and POPULAR issue of gotta have one is a third rail topic. It's not like I will lose subs since I brought it up. BUT ???.....😄 I say:. "20 ways to blow your nose and we all get to the same result." Floats my boat, how bout yours?🤣 Thanks for sharing Dick.👍
Good way to start your day with a grin Dick. Weather you saw with Stihl, Husqvarna,poulan echo or Holzforma ,they all perform and deliver a pile of wood. The third rail rivalry arm wrestling of whose brand is better cracks me up. That's my grin. when I listen to the chuckers and chuckettes. Life's a hoot ain't it.?🤣🤣🤣
Thanks for watching Del. The echo 590 and 620 would be two of the saws I would recommend as ideal firewood saws. Husky and Stihl have been considered the top saws for years but now Echo is right there with them. Echo price and warranty are the best.
Great points made in this video. I have the same situation as you with the Stihls I run. Both professional with the 261c and the 400c! I do find myself running the 50cc 261 90% of the time. That 3 extra minutes of cutting is more enjoyable and less fatigue in the end with the lighter saw! Great video Dick👍🏻👍🏻-TOA
nice to see some explain the saw a little more like this as the cost of the big saws can be scary to beginners the fact that in the true time of a day when cutting firewood it is not 8 hours of sawing wood you have a lot of other things in there as moving the round bring in more logs as well as splitting stacking and lunch as well as water and my case cigarette breaks and now with my age and health just a little slower and not as strong as I was
This was an outstanding video. Well done my friend! I think one of the key points you made was buy a professional saw. The pro 50cc saws are impressive.
Thanks Darrin. As I mentioned, the 50cc saw will serve most firewood cutters well, but if you are dealing with a lot of wood over 16" you really need a larger cc saw.
@@oldguyfirewood I agree. Obviously I have a variety of saws but that isn't always economical for someone that is cutting for themselves and doing 3-5 cord per year.
@Old Guy Firewood, @Woodruff Woods, & @Stan Nelson - I’ve cut way more firewood with my Dad’s older Stihl 180 (30cc+-) than I ever have with my 362 or 500i. It really comes down to… what do you enjoy doing, and how much do you want to spend on that joy? When I bought the 362, it was my first power saw, I bought the best I could afford at the time, and at that time thought I’ll never need a bigger saw. And truth be told I don’t need the 500i (but it sure does Rip!!). Have a great day Gentlemen, I love the conversation.
This is a good topic, I guess when I bought my 365sp Husqvarna almost 20yrs ago, I based my decision on saws and the people I knew who ran them and how well they did the job for them. I knew a few folks who worked in the woods full time running saws daily up here in NB, Canada and I seen what equipment they were using for both the woods and for the wood pile.. and that helped with the decision plus the fact that the rounds that we usually got were quite large too.. I find the 365sp is right in the sweet spot although it’s a 71cc saw :). I have a nice selection also of bars now (16, 20 & 24) depending on what I want to tackle. Thanks for the chat Dick, enjoyed this one 💯👍. Andrew from NB, Canada :)
@@oldguyfirewood yes I recall, you were using it in one of your earlier videos :). I find it’s not really a saw i hear many people talk about but those that do really like them :). Would love to see it give you a hand bucking up some big rounds sometime again! Would like to hear any stories you have with it as well :)) Andrew from NB :)
I love running 70CC saws but generally only use them when I need them and when I don't have to carry the weight very much. If you have to carry the saw around (as for firewood gathering) the 50cc wins easily at the end of the day.
I agree with what you think about the cc saws. Especially for us older guys. We gotta keep moving. I love my two 550xp saws, and my 036 60 cc saw. They are real fast cutters in any kind of wood. We have about 6 different species of wood here in Ohio. I really like your videos and have just found you on u tube.
Very practical sense approach to the first firewood saw purchase !! I would add one more factor in there also Dick……”AGE” guy’s our age might not want to tote a big saw all day 🤣 I won’t ever go above my 500i at this stage of life, and in most cases I find myself going for the ms 261c or the ms 362c before the 500i. Of course if it’s big wood and not an all day affair, of course the ms 500i rules. It’s a lot easier at 70 holding onto 10-12lbs then 15-17 lbs all day. Really enjoyed the video, Thanks! 🪵⛓🪚🔥 Rick
Thanks for watching Rick. You’re absolutely correct about the age factor ☹️. All kidding aside I’m blessed to be able to continue to work doing things I Love.
Nice video, Dick I like your comparison of two great saws! I would be interested to see the time difference of the two saws in a larger piece of wood around 18 or 19 inches. The maximum length a 20 inch bar could cut. I think that as the surface area increases that the chain has to run across the 572Xp would start to pull further and further away from the 550 time wise!
I totally agree Jake. I tried to emphasize that the 12” logs were typical for the average firewood cutter and the entire outcome of the experiment hangs on that average. If you’re cutting wood 14” and larger, especially when you get into the 18”- 24” wood the 70cc saw will definitely make a difference.
Like #1. Anyway; I’m all about the smallest saw to get the job done. I’ve got a ported 572xp, 550xp, Echo 620p (60cc). All three are pro saws. I run an 18" bar on the 550. That log you cut is 550xp territory all day. I usually stop cutting with the 550xp after about 14"-16". Quite a bit of the Ash I’ve been cutting lately was done with the 550xp. After that I’ll pick up the 620 or 572.
@@williamwallace9620 😂 I have those same thoughts. After porting my 572 it came into its own. I would like a 592 but I don’t really get into anything that my 572 with a 32” bar won’t handle…. It would just be cool to have a 592 or 395
Loved the video Dick, truly gives somethings to think about. Recently ordered a Stihl ms 400 to supplement my Stihl ms462. It will allow me to match up the size of logs I'll be cutting and give the other saw a rest. Keep up with the great videos and keep on moving!
Thanks for watching Obie. The ms400 appears to be a great saw. Many folks claim to prefer it to the 500i. You have identified the real answer… you need to match your saws to the size of the wood you are cutting. Happy New Year my friend!
Hi Dick. Happy new year to your and Clifford. I agree with your points. I purchased a stihl ms271 several years ago for property maintenance before I got into firewood. It’s a decent saw, but not a pro saw. It’s 50cc and has decent power. The downside is the oiler isn’t adjustable. This past summer cutting through some decent sized oak with a 20” bar, the bar and chain got hot enough to cause some clutch damage. I replaced the clutch and went back to a 16” bar. While I was waiting for parts, I bought a ms400c. It’s a 67cc saw with the same weight as the 271. It does run 3/8” chain vs .325. But it flies through wood in comparison to my old saw. The ms400 is a pro saw with all the upgrades they bring, but it was double the price. So now I use the 271 for limbing and marking logs. I also use it for stuff I think may have metal in it. Once the 271 is used up I’ll be looking to upgrade to a 50cc pro saw. Keep on moving buddy and keep up the great work
Thanks for watching Chris and thanks for the comments. The ms400c is a great saw. Many folks like it better than the 500i. On my adjustable oilers I turn them all up as high as they will go. Better to have too much oil vs. not enough. Happy New Year to you and yours!
Hi Dick, so many variables but I prefer the smaller vs the larger. For daily use on our acreage I find the smaller is better for this senior. The larger is a great saw but I can’t handle for a period of time. The larger the price the less the profit ?? Enjoyed this video, great topic and well put together. I like the Jeep in the background too. LT in NC
Hi Larry… thanks for watching. It just makes sense to me to use the lightest saw that will get the job done. I bought that Jeep in 2003 and put a snowplow on it to push a little snow with my landscape business. It paid for itself that first year. It’s a 1997, 4 cylinder. It had 97,000 miles on it when I bought it and has 113,000 on it now… 16,000 miles in 19 years!
Good video!! I agree with you that whatever size saw you get it should be a professional saw for firewood. I seem to use the lightest saw that can do the job.
We’re both thinking alike Roger. A “ranch” saw will do the job and can be a good starter saw, but if you do a lot of cutting I think upgrading to a pro saw is the way to go.
Great video Dick. I have gone back and forth myself with which size saw I prefer and am building quite a collection now. I'll have to do some calculations and see how they stack up. I thought for sure you'd save more time with the larger saw.
Hey Heath. Thanks for watching. I’m sure as you go over the 14” size log you will save time with the larger saws. The answer is to own several saws! I’m with you all the way.
Good video.. when I was looking for a bigger saw. I was looking for something that wouldn't have to work itself to death to cut the size of wood I tend to get.. If you could afford it 1 or 2 steps bigger than what you currently need is the best option when it comes to equipment, then you have the room and power to go bigger..
Haven't watched all this yet but I am an old guy too with many chain saws. For pure firewood it is hard to beat a 50CC pro saw like a Husky 550XP or Stihl 261. It also depends on your wood supply. If you have the opportunity to cut you own select firewood like I do I actually use my ported Echo 2511t the most! That tiny saw is a monster if modded right and a joy to run. I rarely touch my 70CC saws for firewood and only use them when a smaller lighter saw won't do. If you are cutting larger wood for firewood than a 50cc saw will handle you need to rethink what you are doing IMO.
You make a very good point about big wood! I own 7 Husqvarna saws and always reach for the lightest one that will do the job. All my saws are stock but I’m developing some interest in in the various saw mods that folks are doing. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for watching Dan. The ranch saws are great if you’re not cutting a large volume of wood (like less than 10 cord a year). I really like the pro saws in a high production scenario.
@@oldguyfirewood the best saw is the one you have as long as there sharp. I cut some residual wood off market place. My saws are sharp I usually cut hole tree while other are on there 3 block.
Agreed 100%. People get so caught up with cookies that they forget that at the end of the day, yes a 70cc saw will fall and buck faster, but you have to carry it and limb with that saw. The older you get, the wiser you get, the smaller the saw gets.
Hi Dick, Great analysis and you didn't even have to go the complete Adam route (who I watch for his in-depth number crunching and his great work ethic). I totally agree with you on the size comparisons and was a little surprised by the 3 minute figure. Kudos to you for even thinking of that statistic. My MS 261 is just the right weight and although I would love to get a 572 XP it just isn't in the cards now that I have turned 70. By the way, my old Husqvarna 50 (now over 30 years old) is still my go to saw and in my area,, Stihl dominates due to very limited Husqvarna dealers. Keep up the great videos and Happy 2023.
Hi David. I hope you and your family had a great Christmas and Happy New Year. The ms261 and husky 50 are two of the classic firewood saws. You are well equipped to do all you need to produce firewood. Lol on the Adam comment. I originally had some pi x R square x L calculations in my video but quickly realized I would loose viewers due to boredom 😅.
You are absolutely correct. If you routinely cut wood in the 20” and larger size you definitely need a larger size saw. In the 14” and smaller size logs the 50 cc saw is my preference. Thanks for watching!
Hi Dick! Great comparison. I like to match the saw to the wood. You can’t beat the light weight saws if they have a punch…like most professional saws do. There is an argument to be made from “the bigger saws are faster” guys. I guess the extra 3 minutes you could cut 25 more rounds? At the end of the day, if you were cutting all day, you would have a significantly bigger pile of rounds with the bigger saw but I think you’d be more tired. Who knows?? The great debate! Thanks for sharing! Keep cutting brother!
Thanks for watching Mike. I think I’d have to use the extra three minutes to rest haha! I think it’s an individual thing for sure. Chris in the woodyard cuts all day with the bigger saws, but he’s a definite anomaly lol. I’ve never seen anyone with his energy.
Happy New Year Dick! Excellent presentation you made here. It was as though you didn’t have a dog in the fight (sorry Clifford) You gave a fair assessment and evaluation in a real world scenario. I’m a price conscious purchaser and a home owner who’s only cutting to fuel 2 boilers in Michigan, so a Brand New anything is out of the question. @56 years of age, I am beginning to feel the ill-effects of many decades of hard work and injuries. Although I love my 395XP😍 she’s a bit of a hefty gal who is likely to be treated like a Street Rod that only comes out for Special Occasions. There’s a couple of massive Red Oaks I have to work up, as of late it’s my 272XP💪🏼 and my MS362😎 that tend to accumulate the most run time. I have a couple of MS260’s, but they’re both currently inoperable... Did I mention they were STIHL’s?🤦🏻♂️🤣🤣 Kidding! In all honesty, my 362 has been the most dependable saw to date with likely 7+ seasons of trouble free service🤩 Bless’ns to ya and thanks for putting on an excellent show, Tedd PS, tell Clifford Fredd says howdy, they’re likely Distant Cousins!😉
A 24in lightweight bar on the 572xp puts it into the weight class of an Echo CS-590. But more importantly the handling difference feels a lot bigger thsn the weight loss. Have yet to put mine into the wood. I'll find out what it's like after moving my log piles.
Well dick to start off with thank you for your sticker you sent me I’ll put it on the Allwood splitters soon as I get it. Good video I’ve got eight different chainsaws I like them all depending on how I’m feeling decides which one I use but any time I fell a tree around 18 inches the 500 I gets the job. My 261 gets all the small stuff and I keep my 362 always ready for back up. And thanks again it made my day😊
You sound a lot like me Jeff. I have seven Husqvarna saws but only grab the larger saws for the 18”+ wood. Although I’m a diehard Husqvarna fan, the 500i really has my interest!
@Old Guy Firewood - Great minds think a like…I just got a video up this weekend comparing my Stihl 362 (59cc) to the Stihl 500i (79cc). Even thought the 500 is much faster I find myself reaching for the 362 when I don’t need the bar length. Looking at adding a (65cc) Stihl 400 at some point, I believe its a little less weight than that of the 362. In my opinion, it really comes down to power/weight, the least amount of weight with the most power available will be saw I grab 99% of the time. Great video as always, I enjoyed the conversation at the end. As always have a great day Around the Yard! Hope you and your family had a Merry Christmas and have a wonderful New Year. Cheers to 2023!
Thanks for watching Chad. I’ve had that grapple for many years. It’s a W.R. Long grapple made here in NC. I used their third function kit also. Both have worked flawlessly for many years
that is a very good comparison. but at seventy of age and doing firewood tops from lumbered trees I prefer the little higher cc saws with a 24 or 28 inch bar so I don't have to bend over as much and saves my back. And you are right how often in the east coast are the logs for firewood over 12 or 14 inches. I used the 50cc for 40 plus years and they work just fine.
Thanks so much for your comments Noel. You make a good point about not having to bend over with the longer bars. Everyone has to figure out what works best for them.
I am a women here got into using a chainsaw when I bought my 7 acre farm 2018 and woods were completely over grown and I wanted to use a chain saw I was VERY nervous so I ordered a green works battery chainsaw with a 10” bar and had it for about 1 year then got a 12” bar but a new chainsaw same brand and have been using it since this December 2022, I did like the battery chainsaw it was light and easy to use but honestly just did do what I needed it to and my fiancé Curtis bought me a MS180 Stihl gas chainsaw 16” bar it’s around 8 pounds? and I love it and wonder why I waited so long to go to a gas chainsaw it may be a little heavier but I love it and wish I would of went to it sooner!
A woodcutter needs 2 reliable saws, in case one goes down, or you run into bigger wood. Good lookin & well behaved dog, you get out of them what you put in them, can see you have given your dog quality time on a regular basis.
Thanks for the kind words Dan. Clifford is my buddy for sure. I agree that two saws is a must. In addition to the scenarios you mention, a saw stuck in a pinched kerf often requires another saw to get it out.
Since you brought up the accounting part in your video, how do these saws compare for fuel consumption? Would you think some of the 3 minute advantage the 572 holds over the 550 is reduced when taking into account the downtime for refuelling your saw (especially when you're cutting lots a day)?
Hi Jay… thanks for watching and commenting. You make a great point. The 572 definitely is thirsty compared to the 550. The biggest difference to me is the weight. I can cut a lot longer with the lighter 550, especially as I get older.
Size of saw you need depends on the size of wood you cut I seem to think I have a need for a 40 or 50cc saw. I’ve had 3 husky 550s 2 545s. And a redmax gz5000. Echo 4910 (ported) and many others But they never stick around for me I tend to keep 60 70 80cc saws. BUT I also mainly cut LARGE timber (lots of free wood on Facebook due to storms lately and most are LARGE trees 36” plus diameter) So I’ll use my echo 620 or a husky 372 to limb with and buck logs with But as you know with large trees. Most branches are the size of “trees” guys cut right? If I had 1 saw only it would be a ported 372 I also suggest a little more warm up time EVEN in the warmer months. Especially with the 5 series husky’s You’ll thank me later when you don’t cold seize your saw
Thanks for watching! I agree with you. I like my 550xp mk2 for anything up to about 12-14”. It handles it well and I like the light weight. Much bigger than that and I go to the 572xp or 365 special.
Thanks for watching Terry. I need to get caught up on your videos over the last few weeks. Things have been hectic and watch time has been slim. Happy New Year my friend.
I cut about 6 cord yr for my mom and myself to burn . Bought a Husqvarna 450 w 18" 10ish yrs ago and it's served me extremely well. Cut mostly ash and nothing the bar won't go through one way. Did just buy a 372 clone w a 24" but only to try to cut standing more upright.
@@oldguyfirewood brand new and at the Dr already. When I put gas in it there was a good leak I couldn't find. ( Paying to have it looked at is easier than trying to deal w the customer service , go it off eBay) . I think it's leaking where line goes thru gas tank wall cuz it leaks more laying on side than sitting upright
Welcome Phillip. Thanks so much for watching and subscribing! Go back and view my older videos… I’m sure you will find some interesting topics. I really appreciate your support.
Start out with what you can afford even if it's a little 16 18 inch homlite or polland. I had a neighbor that started with a little harbor freight electric splitter and a corded electric harbor freight saw.
That was a great video. I'm a smaller guy in my 40's. I have been part time cutting wood for as long as I remember. If I was to keep only one of my saws ( I have like 10 husqvarnas ) I would keep my 353xp with 15" on. That is enought for 95% of the trees on my farm if I cut the large ones from 2 sides. It runs great, is easy to carry and usefull in dense shrubs and bushes. Here in Sweden shorter bars have been in use at least since the 70's. 13 and 15" have been the standard bar on 50-60cc husqvarna saws for most manual work. It's uncommon to use longer bars like 18-20" and when done only on 60-70cc saws. I guess partly because usually the trees is much smaller here and forests are usually dense and rocky. There is also no tradition to use monster saws. Smaller saws are also cheaper and faster to file. When I was working fulltime as a feller some years back we used 13" on 346 and 550mk 1 15" on 357 or 560xpg and 18-20" on the 372 and 575. The 372 was rarely brought out of the car if it was possible to cut down the trees without it, usually only the largest trees here need 20". However most trees are of course not cut manually here. Only a fraction where machines cannot go or small areas or on the farms. That is quite some difference but thats how we do it. We rather use short bars and more cc over here. Anyway thanks for a good video and greetings from Sweden.
Thanks so much for watching. Hope you’re subscribed! I’ve always run 20” bars on my saws but I agree that most everything I cut could be done with a 14”.
Yes, I did subscribe. I guess it's mostly differences in forest type and working methods that is the main reason for shorter bars in northern Europe. ( 14 and 16" bars are only for hobby saws here while Husqvarnas prosaws are sold with 13 or 15 as default. )
@@evertking1 Yeah, I've heard that expression and I believe you are right. Here having a too large saw, gun, car, house etc and people would just think you are overcompensating and be jealous. 455 is a nice saw perfect for all "normal" sized trees.
I think the cost factor is a big reason with fast wood splitters. My Wolfe Ridge Pro 28c is very quick. Check out some of my previous videos where I highlight my splitter. In one Video my helper and I split 1/3 cord in 13 minutes
I cut a lot of oak and hickory in the 12”-16” size. I really think a 50cc saw is about as small as I would like. What would your recommendation be? I’m interested.
Good comparison! My main firewood saw was a Stihl 026 (about 50cc). I switched to the 500i (about 79cc) and even though it is heavier I can cut much faster so less time cutting and with a longer bar I can buck standing up rather than hunched over so the back feels better.
Thanks for watching. I’m a diehard Husqvarna fan, but the Stihl 500i really has my interest. I haven’t run one yet, but the power to weight ratio is very impressive.
Great conversation about how many cc's we actually need. For lots of cutting its my 500i, small jobs I use my 455. Stay Hydrated and Have a Safe Day
Thanks for watching David. The power to weight ratio of the 500i makes it a saw that can be used for most cutting requirements. I’m a Husky guy, but the 500i has my interest!
Love this conversation. One additional aspect for many to consider is how much wood and how often you cut. In my case I cut less than 30 face cord per year spread out over the nicer weather. So I chose a non pro saw but a 60 cc saw. Husky 460. Inexpensive with good power especially with an 18 bar. I simply don’t need more. But it seems that people like to spend lots of money for very lil gain. But if you use a saw most days pro saws are the to go. And in most cases you get what you pay for. The best part is to each his/her own. No wrong choices it’s just important to get out and cut.
Thanks for watching Stan. Your comments are spot on. You make a great point about the volume of wood cut being a factor in saw selection. The Husky 460 is a great and powerful saw for your situation.
KEEP MOVIN' agreed
Trevor from England I can’t understand why you worry about a few seconds , take your time and make sure you stay safe .You can take time having a break and a cup of tea.
I agree totally Trevor. I always pick up the lightest saw that will get the job done. I find slow and steady always wins in the end!
Key word “professional”. For yard work a Husqvarna 445 xp is awesome but a pro grade saw from 50cc on up is best. My go to saw is a Stihl MS 261. Great show thanks.
Thanks for watching! I tend to agree with you. The MS 261 is a great saw.
Very thorough and well presented facts Dick. 3 minutes isn't squat in the grand pursuit for a chord. 500 cost difference nailed the practicality issue. The NEW and POPULAR issue of gotta have one is a third rail topic. It's not like I will lose subs since I brought it up. BUT ???.....😄
I say:. "20 ways to blow your nose and we all get to the same result." Floats my boat, how bout yours?🤣 Thanks for sharing Dick.👍
You made me smile Jimbo… thanks!
Good way to start your day with a grin Dick. Weather you saw with Stihl, Husqvarna,poulan echo or Holzforma ,they all perform and deliver a pile of wood. The third rail rivalry arm wrestling of whose brand is better cracks me up. That's my grin. when I listen to the chuckers and chuckettes. Life's a hoot ain't it.?🤣🤣🤣
Very nice info . I enjoy running my 620P . I still do all my limbing with an old poulan pro .
Thanks for watching Del. The echo 590 and 620 would be two of the saws I would recommend as ideal firewood saws. Husky and Stihl have been considered the top saws for years but now Echo is right there with them. Echo price and warranty are the best.
Great points made in this video. I have the same situation as you with the Stihls I run. Both professional with the 261c and the 400c! I do find myself running the 50cc 261 90% of the time. That 3 extra minutes of cutting is more enjoyable and less fatigue in the end with the lighter saw! Great video Dick👍🏻👍🏻-TOA
Thanks for watching Todd. I’m all about the lightest tool to effectively do the job!
nice to see some explain the saw a little more like this as the cost of the big saws can be scary to beginners the fact that in the true time of a day when cutting firewood it is not 8 hours of sawing wood you have a lot of other things in there as moving the round bring in more logs as well as splitting stacking and lunch as well as water and my case cigarette breaks and now with my age and health just a little slower and not as strong as I was
Thanks for watching Brice. I’ll be 74 in two weeks and I really appreciate the idea of pacing myself. Good comments!
This was an outstanding video. Well done my friend! I think one of the key points you made was buy a professional saw. The pro 50cc saws are impressive.
Thanks Darrin. As I mentioned, the 50cc saw will serve most firewood cutters well, but if you are dealing with a lot of wood over 16" you really need a larger cc saw.
@@oldguyfirewood I agree. Obviously I have a variety of saws but that isn't always economical for someone that is cutting for themselves and doing 3-5 cord per year.
Farm saws work well for smaller quantities for less money for sure!
@Old Guy Firewood, @Woodruff Woods, & @Stan Nelson - I’ve cut way more firewood with my Dad’s older Stihl 180 (30cc+-) than I ever have with my 362 or 500i. It really comes down to… what do you enjoy doing, and how much do you want to spend on that joy? When I bought the 362, it was my first power saw, I bought the best I could afford at the time, and at that time thought I’ll never need a bigger saw. And truth be told I don’t need the 500i (but it sure does Rip!!). Have a great day Gentlemen, I love the conversation.
As an old lady. I have a corded electric saw. It has 16” bar I believe, and it’s light enough for me to handle. I just use it around the yard though.
Thanks for watching and commenting Cheryl. Electric saws have their place for sure. Have you seen my video on my echo battery saw?
This is a good topic, I guess when I bought my 365sp Husqvarna almost 20yrs ago, I based my decision on saws and the people I knew who ran them and how well they did the job for them. I knew a few folks who worked in the woods full time running saws daily up here in NB, Canada and I seen what equipment they were using for both the woods and for the wood pile.. and that helped with the decision plus the fact that the rounds that we usually got were quite large too.. I find the 365sp is right in the sweet spot although it’s a 71cc saw :). I have a nice selection also of bars now (16, 20 & 24) depending on what I want to tackle. Thanks for the chat Dick, enjoyed this one 💯👍. Andrew from NB, Canada :)
I own a 365 special also Andrew. It is one of my favorite saws.
@@oldguyfirewood yes I recall, you were using it in one of your earlier videos :). I find it’s not really a saw i hear many people talk about but those that do really like them :). Would love to see it give you a hand bucking up some big rounds sometime again! Would like to hear any stories you have with it as well :)) Andrew from NB :)
I love running 70CC saws but generally only use them when I need them and when I don't have to carry the weight very much. If you have to carry the saw around (as for firewood gathering) the 50cc wins easily at the end of the day.
I totally agree! Thanks for watching.
I agree with what you think about the cc saws. Especially for us older guys. We gotta keep moving. I love my two 550xp saws, and my 036 60 cc saw. They are real fast cutters in any kind of wood. We have about 6 different species of wood here in Ohio. I really like your videos and have just found you on u tube.
Thanks for watching Ed. Hope you subscribed! My 550xp is definitely my go to saw.
Very practical sense approach to the first firewood saw purchase !! I would add one more factor in there also Dick……”AGE” guy’s our age might not want to tote a big saw all day 🤣 I won’t ever go above my 500i at this stage of life, and in most cases I find myself going for the ms 261c or the ms 362c before the 500i. Of course if it’s big wood and not an all day affair, of course the ms 500i rules. It’s a lot easier at 70 holding onto 10-12lbs then 15-17 lbs all day. Really enjoyed the video, Thanks! 🪵⛓🪚🔥 Rick
Thanks for watching Rick. You’re absolutely correct about the age factor ☹️. All kidding aside I’m blessed to be able to continue to work doing things I Love.
Nice video, Dick I like your comparison of two great saws! I would be interested to see the time difference of the two saws in a larger piece of wood around 18 or 19 inches. The maximum length a 20 inch bar could cut. I think that as the surface area increases that the chain has to run across the 572Xp would start to pull further and further away from the 550 time wise!
I totally agree Jake. I tried to emphasize that the 12” logs were typical for the average firewood cutter and the entire outcome of the experiment hangs on that average. If you’re cutting wood 14” and larger, especially when you get into the 18”- 24” wood the 70cc saw will definitely make a difference.
Like #1. Anyway; I’m all about the smallest saw to get the job done. I’ve got a ported 572xp, 550xp, Echo 620p (60cc). All three are pro saws. I run an 18" bar on the 550. That log you cut is 550xp territory all day. I usually stop cutting with the 550xp after about 14"-16". Quite a bit of the Ash I’ve been cutting lately was done with the 550xp. After that I’ll pick up the 620 or 572.
Thanks for watching. I agree with everything you've said. I totally agree that when you get over 16" you really should have a larger cc saw.
@@oldguyfirewood I love cutting with my 550xp. So light, and it’s a little ripper!
@@williamwallace9620 😂 I have those same thoughts. After porting my 572 it came into its own. I would like a 592 but I don’t really get into anything that my 572 with a 32” bar won’t handle…. It would just be cool to have a 592 or 395
Loved the video Dick, truly gives somethings to think about. Recently ordered a Stihl ms 400 to supplement my Stihl ms462. It will allow me to match up the size of logs I'll be cutting and give the other saw a rest. Keep up with the great videos and keep on moving!
Thanks for watching Obie. The ms400 appears to be a great saw. Many folks claim to prefer it to the 500i. You have identified the real answer… you need to match your saws to the size of the wood you are cutting. Happy New Year my friend!
i couldnt agree more. spot on with everything you said. i have the same 2 saws for the same reasons you mentioned..great video !!...thumbs up
Thanks for watching and thanks for the comments. Have a great week!
Hi Dick. Happy new year to your and Clifford. I agree with your points. I purchased a stihl ms271 several years ago for property maintenance before I got into firewood. It’s a decent saw, but not a pro saw. It’s 50cc and has decent power. The downside is the oiler isn’t adjustable. This past summer cutting through some decent sized oak with a 20” bar, the bar and chain got hot enough to cause some clutch damage. I replaced the clutch and went back to a 16” bar. While I was waiting for parts, I bought a ms400c. It’s a 67cc saw with the same weight as the 271. It does run 3/8” chain vs .325. But it flies through wood in comparison to my old saw. The ms400 is a pro saw with all the upgrades they bring, but it was double the price. So now I use the 271 for limbing and marking logs. I also use it for stuff I think may have metal in it. Once the 271 is used up I’ll be looking to upgrade to a 50cc pro saw. Keep on moving buddy and keep up the great work
Thanks for watching Chris and thanks for the comments. The ms400c is a great saw. Many folks like it better than the 500i. On my adjustable oilers I turn them all up as high as they will go. Better to have too much oil vs. not enough. Happy New Year to you and yours!
@@oldguyfirewood that’s the first thing I did to my new saw was to crank up the oil.
Hi Dick, so many variables but I prefer the smaller vs the larger. For daily use on our acreage I find the smaller is better for this senior. The larger is a great saw but I can’t handle for a period of time. The larger the price the less the profit ?? Enjoyed this video, great topic and well put together. I like the Jeep in the background too. LT in NC
Hi Larry… thanks for watching. It just makes sense to me to use the lightest saw that will get the job done. I bought that Jeep in 2003 and put a snowplow on it to push a little snow with my landscape business. It paid for itself that first year. It’s a 1997, 4 cylinder. It had 97,000 miles on it when I bought it and has 113,000 on it now… 16,000 miles in 19 years!
Good video!! I agree with you that whatever size saw you get it should be a professional saw for firewood. I seem to use the lightest saw that can do the job.
We’re both thinking alike Roger. A “ranch” saw will do the job and can be a good starter saw, but if you do a lot of cutting I think upgrading to a pro saw is the way to go.
Great video Dick. I have gone back and forth myself with which size saw I prefer and am building quite a collection now. I'll have to do some calculations and see how they stack up. I thought for sure you'd save more time with the larger saw.
Hey Heath. Thanks for watching. I’m sure as you go over the 14” size log you will save time with the larger saws. The answer is to own several saws! I’m with you all the way.
Good video.. when I was looking for a bigger saw. I was looking for something that wouldn't have to work itself to death to cut the size of wood I tend to get..
If you could afford it 1 or 2 steps bigger than what you currently need is the best option when it comes to equipment, then you have the room and power to go bigger..
Thanks for watching and thanks for the comments Daniel. Good point… especially with the size rounds you cut!
Haven't watched all this yet but I am an old guy too with many chain saws. For pure firewood it is hard to beat a 50CC pro saw like a Husky 550XP or Stihl 261. It also depends on your wood supply. If you have the opportunity to cut you own select firewood like I do I actually use my ported Echo 2511t the most! That tiny saw is a monster if modded right and a joy to run. I rarely touch my 70CC saws for firewood and only use them when a smaller lighter saw won't do. If you are cutting larger wood for firewood than a 50cc saw will handle you need to rethink what you are doing IMO.
You make a very good point about big wood! I own 7 Husqvarna saws and always reach for the lightest one that will do the job. All my saws are stock but I’m developing some interest in in the various saw mods that folks are doing. Thanks for watching!
Nice compression I like that you pointed out a pro saw. There been much more differences in a ranch say. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for watching Dan. The ranch saws are great if you’re not cutting a large volume of wood (like less than 10 cord a year). I really like the pro saws in a high production scenario.
@@oldguyfirewood the best saw is the one you have as long as there sharp. I cut some residual wood off market place. My saws are sharp I usually cut hole tree while other are on there 3 block.
Agreed 100%. People get so caught up with cookies that they forget that at the end of the day, yes a 70cc saw will fall and buck faster, but you have to carry it and limb with that saw. The older you get, the wiser you get, the smaller the saw gets.
Agree! Thanks so much for watching and commenting.
Hi Dick,
Great analysis and you didn't even have to go the complete Adam route (who I watch for his in-depth number crunching and his great work ethic). I totally agree with you on the size comparisons and was a little surprised by the 3 minute figure. Kudos to you for even thinking of that statistic. My MS 261 is just the right weight and although I would love to get a 572 XP it just isn't in the cards now that I have turned 70. By the way, my old Husqvarna 50 (now over 30 years old) is still my go to saw and in my area,, Stihl dominates due to very limited Husqvarna dealers. Keep up the great videos and Happy 2023.
Hi David. I hope you and your family had a great Christmas and Happy New Year. The ms261 and husky 50 are two of the classic firewood saws. You are well equipped to do all you need to produce firewood. Lol on the Adam comment. I originally had some pi x R square x L calculations in my video but quickly realized I would loose viewers due to boredom 😅.
The difference in time will increase profoundly in the bigger the wood gets from say 2 foot to 3 foot dia rounds.thanks jon
You are absolutely correct. If you routinely cut wood in the 20” and larger size you definitely need a larger size saw. In the 14” and smaller size logs the 50 cc saw is my preference. Thanks for watching!
Hi Dick! Great comparison. I like to match the saw to the wood. You can’t beat the light weight saws if they have a punch…like most professional saws do. There is an argument to be made from “the bigger saws are faster” guys. I guess the extra 3 minutes you could cut 25 more rounds? At the end of the day, if you were cutting all day, you would have a significantly bigger pile of rounds with the bigger saw but I think you’d be more tired. Who knows?? The great debate! Thanks for sharing! Keep cutting brother!
Thanks for watching Mike. I think I’d have to use the extra three minutes to rest haha! I think it’s an individual thing for sure. Chris in the woodyard cuts all day with the bigger saws, but he’s a definite anomaly lol. I’ve never seen anyone with his energy.
Great video!
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I run a pro 60cc 24” modified & 35cc 14”
Great comparison.
Thanks so much for watching and subscribing. It sounds like you have some nice saws!
Happy New Year Dick! Excellent presentation you made here. It was as though you didn’t have a dog in the fight (sorry Clifford)
You gave a fair assessment and evaluation in a real world scenario. I’m a price conscious purchaser and a home owner who’s only cutting to fuel 2 boilers in Michigan, so a Brand New anything is out of the question. @56 years of age, I am beginning to feel the ill-effects of many decades of hard work and injuries. Although I love my 395XP😍 she’s a bit of a hefty gal who is likely to be treated like a Street Rod that only comes out for Special Occasions. There’s a couple of massive Red Oaks I have to work up, as of late it’s my 272XP💪🏼 and my MS362😎 that tend to accumulate the most run time.
I have a couple of MS260’s, but they’re both currently inoperable... Did I mention they were STIHL’s?🤦🏻♂️🤣🤣 Kidding!
In all honesty, my 362 has been the most dependable saw to date with likely 7+ seasons of trouble free service🤩
Bless’ns to ya and thanks for putting on an excellent show, Tedd
PS, tell Clifford Fredd says howdy, they’re likely Distant Cousins!😉
Thanks so much for watching Tedd. I really value your opinion. I’ll give Clifford the word!
A 24in lightweight bar on the 572xp puts it into the weight class of an Echo CS-590. But more importantly the handling difference feels a lot bigger thsn the weight loss. Have yet to put mine into the wood. I'll find out what it's like after moving my log piles.
Thanks for watching and commenting. Let us know how it cuts.
The saws are pretty nice for husky’s! 😂 just kidding great comparison Dick thanks for sharing👍👍
Ha! Thanks for watching Jeremiah.
Well dick to start off with thank you for your sticker you sent me I’ll put it on the Allwood splitters soon as I get it. Good video I’ve got eight different chainsaws I like them all depending on how I’m feeling decides which one I use but any time I fell a tree around 18 inches the 500 I gets the job. My 261 gets all the small stuff and I keep my 362 always ready for back up. And thanks again it made my day😊
You sound a lot like me Jeff. I have seven Husqvarna saws but only grab the larger saws for the 18”+ wood. Although I’m a diehard Husqvarna fan, the 500i really has my interest!
@Old Guy Firewood - Great minds think a like…I just got a video up this weekend comparing my Stihl 362 (59cc) to the Stihl 500i (79cc). Even thought the 500 is much faster I find myself reaching for the 362 when I don’t need the bar length. Looking at adding a (65cc) Stihl 400 at some point, I believe its a little less weight than that of the 362. In my opinion, it really comes down to power/weight, the least amount of weight with the most power available will be saw I grab 99% of the time. Great video as always, I enjoyed the conversation at the end. As always have a great day Around the Yard! Hope you and your family had a Merry Christmas and have a wonderful New Year. Cheers to 2023!
Thanks so much my friend. Everything you said is spot on. I hope you and yours had a great Christmas and New Year also. - Dick
Nice video 572XP is great saw in the wood yard I have a ? What kind of grapple fork is that?
Thanks for watching Chad. I’ve had that grapple for many years. It’s a W.R. Long grapple made here in NC. I used their third function kit also. Both have worked flawlessly for many years
that is a very good comparison. but at seventy of age and doing firewood tops from lumbered trees I prefer the little higher cc saws with a 24 or 28 inch bar so I don't have to bend over as much and saves my back. And you are right how often in the east coast are the logs for firewood over 12 or 14 inches. I used the 50cc for 40 plus years and they work just fine.
Thanks so much for your comments Noel. You make a good point about not having to bend over with the longer bars. Everyone has to figure out what works best for them.
Hi, what saw do you use to Limb and buck with a 28" bar. I have a 20" on my 261 and it is just too short to stand up. It's the perfect weight though 😂
I am a women here got into using a chainsaw when I bought my 7 acre farm 2018 and woods were completely over grown and I wanted to use a chain saw I was VERY nervous so I ordered a green works battery chainsaw with a 10” bar and had it for about 1 year then got a 12” bar but a new chainsaw same brand and have been using it since this December 2022, I did like the battery chainsaw it was light and easy to use but honestly just did do what I needed it to and my fiancé Curtis bought me a MS180 Stihl gas chainsaw 16” bar it’s around 8 pounds? and I love it and wonder why I waited so long to go to a gas chainsaw it may be a little heavier but I love it and wish I would of went to it sooner!
Thanks for watching! Your sticker is on the way. I’m glad you like cutting firewood. Good for you!
@@oldguyfirewood awesome excited to receive it!
A woodcutter needs 2 reliable saws, in case one goes down, or you run into bigger wood. Good lookin & well behaved dog, you get out of them what you put in them, can see you have given your dog quality time on a regular basis.
Thanks for the kind words Dan. Clifford is my buddy for sure. I agree that two saws is a must. In addition to the scenarios you mention, a saw stuck in a pinched kerf often requires another saw to get it out.
Good video we're older light is good. 50cc is good slow and steady
Thanks for watching digger. I’m with you!
If you are going to have one saw, the 60cc class is the way to go
Thanks for watching. Your point is well taken. The 562xp appears to be a great firewood saw. It is still a bit heavier than the 550xp.
@Old Guy Firewood if you are looking for a light firewood saw the 550xp can't be beat.
The 550 with a little bit bigger bar would be just as good might not cut as fast but won’t drain you
Hey John. Most folks run an 18” bar on the 550xp. I chose to go with the 20” because it is the largest bar Husqvarna says to run on that saw.
Since you brought up the accounting part in your video, how do these saws compare for fuel consumption? Would you think some of the 3 minute advantage the 572 holds over the 550 is reduced when taking into account the downtime for refuelling your saw (especially when you're cutting lots a day)?
Hi Jay… thanks for watching and commenting. You make a great point. The 572 definitely is thirsty compared to the 550. The biggest difference to me is the weight. I can cut a lot longer with the lighter 550, especially as I get older.
Hello Mr. Dick. for me the size saw I use depends on which one I can get running that day...
Oh no Ben! I know your saws are all in good running condition. BUT… I understand what you are saying lol.
Size of saw you need depends on the size of wood you cut
I seem to think I have a need for a 40 or 50cc saw. I’ve had 3 husky 550s 2 545s. And a redmax gz5000. Echo 4910 (ported) and many others
But they never stick around for me
I tend to keep 60 70 80cc saws. BUT I also mainly cut LARGE timber (lots of free wood on Facebook due to storms lately and most are LARGE trees 36” plus diameter)
So I’ll use my echo 620 or a husky 372 to limb with and buck logs with
But as you know with large trees. Most branches are the size of “trees” guys cut right?
If I had 1 saw only it would be a ported 372
I also suggest a little more warm up time EVEN in the warmer months. Especially with the 5 series husky’s
You’ll thank me later when you don’t cold seize your saw
Thanks for watching! I agree with you. I like my 550xp mk2 for anything up to about 12-14”. It handles it well and I like the light weight. Much bigger than that and I go to the 572xp or 365 special.
Enjoyed the video Dick.
Thanks for watching Terry. I need to get caught up on your videos over the last few weeks. Things have been hectic and watch time has been slim. Happy New Year my friend.
I cut about 6 cord yr for my mom and myself to burn . Bought a Husqvarna 450 w 18" 10ish yrs ago and it's served me extremely well. Cut mostly ash and nothing the bar won't go through one way. Did just buy a 372 clone w a 24" but only to try to cut standing more upright.
Thanks for watching Brandon. The Husqvarna 450 has served many people well as a great firewood saw. I’ll be anxious to hear how the clone performs.
@@oldguyfirewood brand new and at the Dr already. When I put gas in it there was a good leak I couldn't find. ( Paying to have it looked at is easier than trying to deal w the customer service , go it off eBay) . I think it's leaking where line goes thru gas tank wall cuz it leaks more laying on side than sitting upright
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Thanks for watching. Glad you enjoyed it! - Dick
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Welcome Phillip. Thanks so much for watching and subscribing! Go back and view my older videos… I’m sure you will find some interesting topics. I really appreciate your support.
For me it isn't so much the speed of the cut but how many cuts I cam make in a day. The lighter the better.
As I get older I appreciate the concept of “the lightest saw that will get the job done”. I can cut longer and get more done in a day.
Start out with what you can afford even if it's a little 16 18 inch homlite or polland. I had a neighbor that started with a little harbor freight electric splitter and a corded electric harbor freight saw.
That’s great advice Jimmie. Thanks for watching!
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That was a great video.
I'm a smaller guy in my 40's. I have been part time cutting wood for as long as I remember.
If I was to keep only one of my saws ( I have like 10 husqvarnas ) I would keep my 353xp with 15" on.
That is enought for 95% of the trees on my farm if I cut the large ones from 2 sides.
It runs great, is easy to carry and usefull in dense shrubs and bushes.
Here in Sweden shorter bars have been in use at least since the 70's.
13 and 15" have been the standard bar on 50-60cc husqvarna saws for most manual work.
It's uncommon to use longer bars like 18-20" and when done only on 60-70cc saws.
I guess partly because usually the trees is much smaller here and forests are usually dense and rocky. There is also no tradition to use monster saws.
Smaller saws are also cheaper and faster to file.
When I was working fulltime as a feller some years back we used 13" on 346 and 550mk 1
15" on 357 or 560xpg and 18-20" on the 372 and 575.
The 372 was rarely brought out of the car if it was possible to cut down the trees without it, usually only the largest trees here need 20".
However most trees are of course not cut manually here.
Only a fraction where machines cannot go or small areas or on the farms.
That is quite some difference but thats how we do it.
We rather use short bars and more cc over here.
Anyway thanks for a good video and greetings from Sweden.
Thanks so much for watching. Hope you’re subscribed! I’ve always run 20” bars on my saws but I agree that most everything I cut could be done with a 14”.
Yes, I did subscribe.
I guess it's mostly differences in forest type and working methods that is the main reason for shorter bars in northern Europe.
( 14 and 16" bars are only for hobby saws here while Husqvarnas prosaws are sold with 13 or 15 as default. )
@@hnorrstromIt really is culture. Here (USA) bigger is always better. But my little 455 husq is working fine
@@evertking1 Yeah, I've heard that expression and I believe you are right.
Here having a too large saw, gun, car, house etc and people would just think you are overcompensating and be jealous.
455 is a nice saw perfect for all "normal" sized trees.
That bar looks loose be careful
Hi John. Thanks for watching. I noticed that in the video also. It was an optical illusion due to the vibration of the saw. I checked and it’s tight.
@@oldguyfirewood that’s good I feel better knowing you’re safe
Hello Clifford
Thanks for watching John. I can tell you like dogs as much as I do. I’ll give him a pat on the head from you!
@@oldguyfirewood I had a tri orange German Shepard she was my world 23 years with her her name was brandy
Ok big chainsaw cut fast , why peoples on u tube got slow wood splitter went looking for speed ?
I think the cost factor is a big reason with fast wood splitters. My Wolfe Ridge Pro 28c is very quick. Check out some of my previous videos where I highlight my splitter. In one
Video my helper and I split 1/3 cord in 13 minutes
Both are too big.
I cut a lot of oak and hickory in the 12”-16” size. I really think a 50cc saw is about as small as I would like. What would your recommendation be? I’m interested.