I've owned 6/8 of these saws and I've settled with the 462. Its the lightest and has the best handling out of the lot. Doesn't feel bulky in your hands. Limbs well due to high rpms and will pull a 32ich bar just fine if your chain is properly sharpened with proper racker depth. Its a brilliant saw for being 72cc. I sold my 500i after 1 week of use as it just wasn't as handy and easy to use as the 462. (found it bulky like a 661) just my personal experience's. 2 and half years of use on my 462 with roughly 50-75 tanks of fuel per year. Not one problem with the saw during my ownership. Food for thought - Mac
Very interesting! I like the Husky OE 372XP because they're easily modifiable. Have never run a Stihl of any kind, but I imagine they're pretty nice. Looking to get one used sometime.
@@andyjones6361 that is the real story, just happens to be the story of the Dyno comparison. As they say in racing, we race cars not dyno's, so I get what you are meaning tho.
You are supplying an awesome tool for customers to use when deciding which chainsaw they would like to purchase. It’s great to see how groups of saws stack up on a dyno graph.
Yea but power is only half or less important then how it handles, its features, ergonomics and weight. There are tons of saws with less power that out cut saws with 15 more ccs(cs-590 for instance) then it has and when your cutting all day power means jack if you can't lift your arms and you back is a wreak
I bought the Echo (personal use).....it was the price and better warranty for me. I've only had the chance to run it once....on a large oak. It cut like a dream.
@johnkrisovitch69 with tax....it was about 900.00. 28" bar. I've cut a lot of trees with it now. Very happy with it. I've also done some chainsaw milling with it.
@Hagg506 nice. I have a pw 28" only had enough time to throw its first tank and bar oil in it and start it up last weekend. Hopefully this weekend get to some wood!
I needed a bigger saw for some big oak trees that needed clearing so I made the excuse to but an Echo 7310. I love it along with my other echo saws. I came here to see how it stacks up against the rest. For the money I paid, I'm really happy. I have a 620 and 4910 that I did a muffler mod and carb mod on after about 5 tanks of gas. I'll probably do the same to my 7310. I did get to use a 500i while I worked along side a crew on a job. That's the most impressive saw I've ever used but I didn't want to spend $1,400 on a saw I only need one a year. The saw I use the most is my 4910. It's light, powerful and 100% reliable. I love you videos man, thank you
Great vids Joe. I have a 565 Huskie and I got to tell ya It took 12 tanks of fuel to break her in. And I’m telling ya its a ripper. Love to see a fully broken in 565 do a pull. Keep up the great work👍👍
Great comparison! The 462 really showed up to be down so low on displacement. Just speaks for the engineering of that saw. I run my 462 in hardwoods with a 25-28" bar and full teeth chain and is an awesome saw for felling and limbing in a production environment.
462 has 1.5 cc advantage on the 572XP. The 572XP in the Dyno runs appears to be new out the box. So not run in yet. The MS462 appears as if it has plenty run time to be at the top it's game. I have both. Not spits difference in overall horsepower between the two. It's just what a person likes. I'm not brand loyal either. I like them all. I agree with another comment I read. They 572 is outlasting the 462. It was totally resigned in April of 2021 because pistons were braking as well as bar mounts. Just saying gotta compare apples to apples.
Both are great saws and I would cut with either of them. We haven’t had any issues with our 462’s and they are pre 2021’s. And they are logged with. Not firewood or tree service. Yes the power of both are basically the same. BUT… the 572xp weighs 1-1/2 lbs more than the 462. If I want to pack more weight around then I’ll grab the 500i which still weighs less than the 572 and will smoke them both. So again, nothing wrong with either of those saws I’m just impressed with the power/weight/handling of the 462. The 572 also has great low end power and smooth! Have a blessed day mate!
Right on👍 Thanks for information. I'm glad I got the 461 over the 462. She pulls a 32' nicely for me where as it looks like the other may have struggled.
Great information!!! The big winner I see is the 461. Seems like it has the most power and tq low/med high. Only at 10k and above does 462 start winning. None of them are bad choices. Choose your flavor and let the chips fly.
I love these videos. They really let a person fine tune a saw know how to change porting techniques. Will deff change the game of r/d! So the peaks will be little deceiving. One needs analyze the graph to fine tune a saws performance. The thing that matters the most is what rpm range are you in in the cut!!!.Which saw gas the most hp and torque in that rpm range!! In that scenario the x-torque, and 572 pulled away from other saws with more power and torge in those rpm ranges where saws are ran! The572 and 462 produce the most hp and torque out of all the saws from 9 k to 12k.
Exactly. Just a tool to help make changes visible. Each saw will suit some users better than others regardless of the power output. Matching chain to powerhead is a very important piece too. If you run depth gauge at .050 on a 462 it will not like it as well as the 461 and all sorts of other scenarios.
@@dynojoemods2764 100% that's what I was just explaining to my son. Your great guy we all appreciate your work !! How can I help your channel. As a technical guy its invaluable!!
Many thanks to you Joe! I was always thinking how would these saws manage on a real dyno and now I know that. And thank you also for showing the metrics.
The 372 Xtorq with an MSRP of $840.00 comes to $148.94 per hp! But alas there are other thing to consider as you pointed out fit, weight, dealer dependability, I am a numbers guy so I like to to see $ per HP. Grew up on the meager side of life and like to get the best bang for the buck!
It gets hard trying to do that and the prices are all over the place. My dealer was 975 on the x torq and he said they were going up. But that is a good way to help sort the saws for sure.
That was awesome! Can’t believe I hadn’t seen it before now. Picked up a couple of the last 7900’s just because and glad I did. Needs some carburetor work but even still I was impressed enough to get a little ea5000. My old late 80’s stihls (034,044,066) still run like new but getting worth enough used to stop running them as much. 👍🏼
Wow Joe Excellent data. The cubic centimeters difference I’m sure played into results But would be interesting is to take hp per dollar spent!! Take the MSRP and divide by hp output and come up with dollars per HP amount. !! That could make a difference to some people The 500i at anMSRP OF $1,370.00 with a 25” bar and 7.04hp comes to $194.60 per hp!!! Ouch!
Your dyno videos are so interesting and informative Joe, thanks for taking the effort to share. Confirming my thoughts on getting a 372xp OE and getting it ported for a great little firewood saw. Best wishes from Western Australia.
Great stuff!!! Love seeing all the brands without talking some up and bashing the others. Some youtubers are too brand loyal. They all have some great saws!
@@ahineman123 I couldn't resist. It seems the stihl crowd is the most easily triggered, I think its cause they have more money invested in them. I like to say, "what works for one, doesn't work for everyone". I prefer husky for handling, but have many brands. The 462 in the video is one of my old saws, dang stihls 😆
Awesome comparo again, Joe, hey just something to remember in regards to horsepower differences between all these saws is that a modded muffler on a 372xp would probably make it in the top 3 for power. The best saw is the one you like to operate the most and last the longest, good work Joe.
They are all so close that you can’t make a wrong choice. Other than the 500i costing 500$ more for not having that much more power. 462 or 572 if buying new. Too bad they stopped making the 461 because it is one heck of a saw
Great job. Sure gave me insight. And proof in the pudding about the 462 lack of bottom end being a short stroke saw. It's my favorite no doubt for my needs. I wasnt surprised the almighty glorified 500i barely makes more power then a 460,461. That drop in power on the top end like you said amazes me that under load it drops off. Which load is any amount of cutting at that rpm, to drop of and get it to the midrange? I thought that was really interesting how they all have done that when you put load to it. Anyhow I just think you're Dyno runs on these saws is great, keep up the great work!
I like saws 70cc and larger. I have a 462 and a 441. The 462 feel torquey in comparison to the 441. Even though people complain about the torque of the 462, it is better than a 372. I also have a farmertec 440 and 372. I don't have much have much run time on the 372 so I can't comment on it. I think it is going to be good. The 440 seems to have torque about like a 660. It is a very good cutter.
The saws that make high rpm power will normally feel "light " on tq to a lot of people. The fall from 7hp to 5 is more a loss vs from 5.5 to 4.5. Even though 5 is still more the 4.5 it felt like more of a drop, so that must mean it is less. Hope that makes sense.
Great info Dyno Joe. Be interesting to see how a Farmertec 372xp copy comes up and a Iron Horse modded 372xp (ported) & 372xp (86cc). @Ironhorse sent many of us here 😊
I have a 461 and it does have the torque. Had to remove the plastic limiters from the carb adjusting screws because I couldn’t get it to idle. Like at all. I don’t really like the way the saw performs across the board though. I still use it, of course. My go-to saw is my Holzfforma 372. It has been a reliable saw for about five years now and I love the way it cuts. As others have said, a sharp chain makes the saw. I always carry spare chains and bars. If you get your bar pinched in a tree and you don’t have your heavy equipment handy you can pop your power head off and cut yourself free with your spares.
Ought to try doing the 60cc class and include a 460 rancher.. that was the saw I started out on and ran for years, these dyno comparisons are what get mad views
Great head to head, data doesn't lie. Thanks for the efforts you make to put out noticeable content. This whole chainsaw community knows about you and much respect is shown.. Nothing but potential Joe, keep em comin.. SLANT'E
@@k-techcowboy4260 A lot of people get upset when a saw dosent perform out of the box. The extra 3-5% might not change an opinion if the saw isn't a runner right out of the box.
The difference when broken in should be noticeable obviously. I don't think the outcome of joe's dyno tests would reflect much difference between models from out of the box to broken in. The saw is the saw😉
Pretty damn good numbers from the 572xp. Interested to run that 461 vs my ported 572xp. It should wallop it pretty good. I'll be testing them with either 25" or 28" bars in hardwoods.
572 xp is a waybetter logsaw Also the 572s don’t even come alive until you have about 10 gas tanks ran through them I would love to see all them get broken in to see who is who
@@goldentrucker7921 For problems they got bearing problems the main problem with them in general they are not a login saw you’re obviously somebody that lives in a house and plays in your backyard Professionals don’t fucking use them one bit their junk my dad my grandpa cut wood for 40 years don’t tell me and in Canada 🇨🇦 Really far and few between there a go home saw NOT A LOGSAW
Thanks Dyno Joe for this analytical saw info - fascinating stuff! About the hole in the 500i dyno graph at the upper rpm range... do you think that was done to look favorable on European emissions testing? Is the ability coming connect a computer to the saw's fuel computer and change the fuel table like they do when "re-flashing" engine control units (ECUs) in cars to correct the air/fuel ratio across the rpm range?
The dip is just in the tuning. The 500i without a lot of time on them like to richen way up under no/light load. Takes a while for them to learn/not do that.
Funny thing seeing the numbers but as you touched on it doesnt always represent value for money. I got a 572 for £750 and the price given to me by my stihl dealer (who always sorts me out good prices) was £965. So it was a no brainer quite frankly.
That is why I didn't mention prices, I have no idea what the markets are like outside of the US. Then you favor in sales or used saws. Can justify a purchase many ways.
That's a nice comparison I would like to see just the 572xp an 462cm run against each other to many lines is confusing lol. Put a Muffler modd on them both run them again be a nice turn out
Supposed to reduce the wear and tear on the starter pawls. When some saws shut down they don't make it past the compression stroke and will grab another notch on the recoil. Then as the piston/crank rotats backward that 1/2 revolution it really pulls the rope tight into the housing. Adding wear and tear. Some really grab it tight and others didn't seem to. You can see my hand jump on the saws that try and pull back.
I’ve run a 462 and 572 a good bit equally and I prefer the 572 simply because it’s been trouble free where the 462 hasn’t. I love both but I believe the 572 will be the longer lasting saw.
That's weird I have the exact opposite experience lol guess it's just luck of the draw And I'm not saying that out of picking favorites I love both brand's
@@robertclifford1099 hot start issues just like the 562 I still like it a lot but there's nothing more annoying than a saw that won't start when it's hot and my 462's have never gave me that problem and I have 3 of them
Dang it. I wish I could’ve came up with one of my Original Dolmar 7900’s for this. But even then, the 7901 is closer to one you can buy new, so I get it…it’s hard to please everyone. You’re a brave man Joe🤣🤣🤣
Really a good test with even a better expanation. Like the americans say, there is no better subsitude for power than cubic inches. and maybe more important, for torque when you compare the 461 and 462. Maybe a nice upgrade for your video's, give the factory displacement, power and torque and weigth vs your measured numbers. (not for displacement. ) keep up the good work. like your channel very much.
Finally! Lol Now I need to send you my 7900 from 06 I think she will be right with the 500i, as it's ahead of my 462 and the 461 I had.🤘 the difference between the SLR 7900 and the older ones is there and now we see it in hard numbers.👍👍
That was part of the reason for this Makita. No slr in this muffler and has the higher coil. Top 4 are so close. I bet a broken in 7900 could shake things up for sure.
@Dyno Joe Mods Exactly! And manufacturing differences, I've had 7900's with 170psi of compression all the way to nearly 200psi, the one I ha e here is at 185psi. I'm not seeing wild difference in the newer saws like I did 15-20 years ago. Thanks again man you're really rocking these videos, and have really put most of the nay saying to rest. lol
@@Andyshine77 interesting I'm only getting 150-160 off both my dolly 7910and my makita guise 7910. Both slr removed/muffler modded. Though had one of them run 190. Maybe my tester is bit off. They have been sitting a while when they showed 150ish. Do you run saw before testing or does that not make any difference... was weird as was pulling and pulling thinking I'm sure I got over 190 last time😂🤔
@DolmarDog-Rick if the saw is warm compression will be lower, and the amount of residual oil in the cylinder will have a huge impact. If you let the saw idle and load up with oil, let the saw cool and check compression, it will be higher than if you shut the saw down after making a good cut.
@@Andyshine77 on side note, just put a drop of oil down bore of my makita 79er and pulled over few times then tested again because its been sat for a bit over crimbo, its pumped out a smidge below 200psi. will run up tomorrow and check again, obviously a film oil on the bore does help on the sealing. 👍
I’d be curious to see how those new huskies would do after ten tanks through them. It appears a few of those stihls have been broken in and rings set and the makita.
Nice work Dyno Joe! 👍 ... I appreciate all the hard , painstaking work you are putting in. Definitely putting some chainsaw “myths” to rest. Your straightforward no BS approach will take you far. Lotta guys yappin and beatin their chests out there. Refreshing to see someone giving the “straight-goods” !
@@brettblack7049 Dont worry about it. Last I checked DYNO JOE was the first contact not YOU! From where I sit , you ain’t callin any shots and really ain’t got nothin to say about it now do ya ?
Great information and i love your videos. What do you think of the Echo especially for the price? I feel like with few tanks and a proper tune it would be a bit more competitive.
Someone had made mention that it made them cringe listening to the starter pawls lock on shutoff. You can see the little tug some give the rope. Those would be trying to yank it into the recoil housing without the extra slack.
@@dynojoemods2764 It's a good idea, which I always seem to forget 😬, though not as big of a deal as some make it out to be on modern saws IMHO, some older models it's of more importance.
Joe, I calculated the hp/lb and hp/cc for all the stock Husqvarna and Sthil saws in the 50, 70, and 90 cc class you have tested so far. To date the saw with the highest hp/lb is the 592xp with .456 hp/lb (followed by the ms462c at .426 hp/lb). The saw with the greatest hp/cc is the Husqvarna 550xp mark 2 at .095 hp/cc (followed closely by the 592xp an ms462c). My question for you is associated with the weight you are showing for the saws. Specifically, do you fill the oil and fuel tanks all the way up? Do you weigh them before the tank's are filled?
Thank you for taking the time. I fill them "full" right to the top where the caps will still close. Just like you would filling up in the woods. Full but not making a mess.
It’s a sad day for us 372 owners! I wonder if the ported potential is nearly a linear increase for the 572 or if a good 372 port job will yield similar results to a ported 572.
As aa Stihl Fan Id still rather a 372xp than a 461 my next door neighbor has a 461 and my firewood buddy has a 372xp its much lighter. Not as much grunt but 372 is a nice saw. I'll take my 500i over either saw
Greetings Joe...not sure if you can answer this (as you might have to not favor one over the other). I'm interested, please...if you had to cut hardwood, plenty of Tree Felling/bucking. Which saw would you go to for being a reliable work horse? Upwards of 10/20 trees felled a day and bucked...5 days a week! Majority will be hardwood. (will purchase 2 or mix 1 with another). Your opinion is appreciated. Thanks in advance. Keep in the wood.
@@dynojoemods2764...Thanks Joe, yes, you make a lot of sense there! Wow, that was a quick reply Friend. Spoken with words of wisdom, and not rocking the boat...I like it! I'm going through a few more of your videos, to see if you slip up, and favor one over another haha (tongue in cheek there Joe). Appreciate your kindness in replying, Thanks Joe. Cheers from Australia. ps...Yes Joe, "feels best in my hands" and support. Will do.
@@Morpheen999 it sure does, but for the slight "edge" in power I'd rather go with proven technology that you'd never know the difference in power of unless you saw it here. I've ran every one of these models except the echo(that 462 is one of my old saws), I'd own the 500i if I could get it cheap, but as joe said, any of the others ported would be ahead of of the 500i and I'd still have less into it than the price of a stock 500i. Have a great week sir 😃
@@medjoolmaker no pipe for this guy lol. I held the echo and it felt better than it looked in hand, but I've never ran one. I'd take the oe if were talking ported or the 462. I've ran the autotune/ mtronic saws for yrs and never had a problem because of the electronics, but I don't recommend them to guys who are cutting firewood.
Video idea: how much can you bog down a saw by tensioning the chain too much while still having it spin/workable - how much loss % can a regular joe flush down the drain by not tensioning properly.
The chain tension is more about ware! Wares sprockets, crank bearings, bars, tips, chains run hotter dulls quicker. Just creats more heat which is a component killer!! Pressure creates heat in all muchanics.
Doing really well on these tests, I am wondering if these auto tune saws are really better than the adjustable carb models. They might be by epa standards but dont seem to develop the torque of the carb saws
Great work Joe. Quite surprised the dolly being the 4th hp out of the top 4. Yet there has been quite a few head to heads with 500i longish bar and there isn't much in it..... Still not bad for an old dog. Yet the 500i sups juice. Is there much progression yet costs double nearly also?🤔🤷♂️. Great content though👌
The top 4 are so close in to it would be hard to tell in the wood. The Makita has a bout the best powerband for the avg user. It would probably be faster than the other 3 more often than not.
@@dynojoemods2764 interesting. Is that because it has a broad powerband?. Slightly hard to read graph fully off the video. Was quite impressed with the 461, pumps out good power seeing as it's closer to 70cc than 80. 👌
@@Dolmar-Rick 461 is 76cc The broad powerband favors more users. If you can't keep the load in the right spot with the 462 it falls off fast. Then it is down to 3 and the 461/Makita are so close and the 500i is only a few % more power. That is why it can go either way in the wood.
One of new favorite channels, I love the variety of content. Maybe in the future dyno viewers chainsaws, or a saw between a aftermarket rebuild and oem rebuild
I've owned 6/8 of these saws and I've settled with the 462. Its the lightest and has the best handling out of the lot. Doesn't feel bulky in your hands. Limbs well due to high rpms and will pull a 32ich bar just fine if your chain is properly sharpened with proper racker depth. Its a brilliant saw for being 72cc. I sold my 500i after 1 week of use as it just wasn't as handy and easy to use as the 462. (found it bulky like a 661) just my personal experience's. 2 and half years of use on my 462 with roughly 50-75 tanks of fuel per year. Not one problem with the saw during my ownership. Food for thought - Mac
Hard to argue with your points and I agree with you 100%.
Very interesting! I like the Husky OE 372XP because they're easily modifiable. Have never run a Stihl of any kind, but I imagine they're pretty nice. Looking to get one used sometime.
A built 462c is a game-changer saw for sure ! Weight of a 60cc class saw with ample power when modded 😀
If you want to know the real story ask the guys that use them to make a living!!!
Good info to have !!
@@andyjones6361 that is the real story, just happens to be the story of the Dyno comparison. As they say in racing, we race cars not dyno's, so I get what you are meaning tho.
You are supplying an awesome tool for customers to use when deciding which chainsaw they would like to purchase. It’s great to see how groups of saws stack up on a dyno graph.
I sure hope it helps some make a decision on a saw purchase.
Yea but power is only half or less important then how it handles, its features, ergonomics and weight. There are tons of saws with less power that out cut saws with 15 more ccs(cs-590 for instance) then it has and when your cutting all day power means jack if you can't lift your arms and you back is a wreak
@@k-techcowboy4260 I have said that many times.
Saw that feels the best and has a sharp chain will get the most wood on the ground.
I bought the Echo (personal use).....it was the price and better warranty for me. I've only had the chance to run it once....on a large oak. It cut like a dream.
Nice. What did you pay / how big of a bar?
@johnkrisovitch69 with tax....it was about 900.00. 28" bar. I've cut a lot of trees with it now. Very happy with it. I've also done some chainsaw milling with it.
@Hagg506 nice. I have a pw 28" only had enough time to throw its first tank and bar oil in it and start it up last weekend. Hopefully this weekend get to some wood!
I needed a bigger saw for some big oak trees that needed clearing so I made the excuse to but an Echo 7310. I love it along with my other echo saws. I came here to see how it stacks up against the rest. For the money I paid, I'm really happy. I have a 620 and 4910 that I did a muffler mod and carb mod on after about 5 tanks of gas. I'll probably do the same to my 7310.
I did get to use a 500i while I worked along side a crew on a job. That's the most impressive saw I've ever used but I didn't want to spend $1,400 on a saw I only need one a year. The saw I use the most is my 4910. It's light, powerful and 100% reliable. I love you videos man, thank you
How does the 4910 respond to muffler mods and carb tuning? I muffler modded a and removed the limiter caps on a 590 and it made a huge difference.
Great vids Joe. I have a 565 Huskie and I got to tell ya It took 12 tanks of fuel to break her in. And I’m telling ya its a ripper. Love to see a fully broken in 565 do a pull. Keep up the great work👍👍
Great video i have a 461 and run a 20 inch bar full chisel for most of the year that saw is an absolute workhorse. Non ethanol fuel is the key
Yep, 461 is a beast. However, for just bucking logs I saw the 661 which really isn’t much heavier has ton more power
Great comparison! The 462 really showed up to be down so low on displacement. Just speaks for the engineering of that saw. I run my 462 in hardwoods with a 25-28" bar and full teeth chain and is an awesome saw for felling and limbing in a production environment.
Must struggle with that 28 buried though
It does in stock form. I've done a muffler mod and some work to the air filter baffle and it trucks along surprisingly well with the 28 buried.
462 has 1.5 cc advantage on the 572XP. The 572XP in the Dyno runs appears to be new out the box. So not run in yet.
The MS462 appears as if it has plenty run time to be at the top it's game.
I have both. Not spits difference in overall horsepower between the two.
It's just what a person likes.
I'm not brand loyal either. I like them all.
I agree with another comment I read. They 572 is outlasting the 462. It was totally resigned in April of 2021 because pistons were braking as well as bar mounts.
Just saying gotta compare apples to apples.
Both are great saws and I would cut with either of them. We haven’t had any issues with our 462’s and they are pre 2021’s. And they are logged with. Not firewood or tree service. Yes the power of both are basically the same. BUT… the 572xp weighs 1-1/2 lbs more than the 462. If I want to pack more weight around then I’ll grab the 500i which still weighs less than the 572 and will smoke them both. So again, nothing wrong with either of those saws I’m just impressed with the power/weight/handling of the 462. The 572 also has great low end power and smooth! Have a blessed day mate!
The 572 is having bearing problems
Right on👍 Thanks for information. I'm glad I got the 461 over the 462. She pulls a 32' nicely for me where as it looks like the other may have struggled.
I love my 461
Joe thank you for the very complete lineup. Could we please have a 60cc saw test next.
Nice to have a little more than guys' impressions to go on, thanks for putting in the work
I've always claimed & believed the 572xp out runs the 372 but it's cool to see the numbers. Thank you
Especially after break in and autotune figures itself out.
Awesome vid, just milled some Russian Olive yesterday with the 500i. The 500i really does run nice under a constent heavy load.
Yes at loaded RPM . It has great power and torque .
People poo poo the Automatic Transmission when it first come out too 😁
Great information!!! The big winner I see is the 461. Seems like it has the most power and tq low/med high. Only at 10k and above does 462 start winning. None of them are bad choices. Choose your flavor and let the chips fly.
Especially in weight! My 394 weighed 17.5lbs dry!
461 gone now? Never wanted a stihl but that one seems very durable.
@@Wolverines1 16 inch bar? Helpfull arent I?
They say the 572 wakes up after break in , i wonder how much difference that would make ?might make an interesting video testing that
I love these videos. They really let a person fine tune a saw know how to change porting techniques. Will deff change the game of r/d! So the peaks will be little deceiving. One needs analyze the graph to fine tune a saws performance. The thing that matters the most is what rpm range are you in in the cut!!!.Which saw gas the most hp and torque in that rpm range!! In that scenario the x-torque, and 572 pulled away from other saws with more power and torge in those rpm ranges where saws are ran! The572 and 462 produce the most hp and torque out of all the saws from 9 k to 12k.
Exactly. Just a tool to help make changes visible.
Each saw will suit some users better than others regardless of the power output.
Matching chain to powerhead is a very important piece too. If you run depth gauge at .050 on a 462 it will not like it as well as the 461 and all sorts of other scenarios.
@@dynojoemods2764 100% that's what I was just explaining to my son. Your great guy we all appreciate your work !! How can I help your channel. As a technical guy its invaluable!!
Many thanks to you Joe! I was always thinking how would these saws manage on a real dyno and now I know that. And thank you also for showing the metrics.
The 372 Xtorq with an MSRP of $840.00 comes to $148.94 per hp!
But alas there are other thing to consider as you pointed out fit, weight, dealer dependability,
I am a numbers guy so I like to to see $ per HP. Grew up on the meager side of life and like to get the best bang for the buck!
It gets hard trying to do that and the prices are all over the place. My dealer was 975 on the x torq and he said they were going up.
But that is a good way to help sort the saws for sure.
I agree. I liked seeing hp/lb and hp/$.
The price doubles on x torqs when you start putting bearings in every 6 months.
Those makitas are real nice saws, in my country they are literally half the price of the husky/stihl equivalents.
Most comprehensive saw video ever, awesome man
That was awesome! Can’t believe I hadn’t seen it before now. Picked up a couple of the last 7900’s just because and glad I did. Needs some carburetor work but even still I was impressed enough to get a little ea5000. My old late 80’s stihls (034,044,066) still run like new but getting worth enough used to stop running them as much. 👍🏼
Wow Joe
Excellent data.
The cubic centimeters difference I’m sure played into results
But would be interesting is to take hp per dollar spent!!
Take the MSRP and divide by hp output and come up with dollars per HP amount. !!
That could make a difference to some people
The 500i at anMSRP OF $1,370.00 with a 25” bar and 7.04hp comes to $194.60 per hp!!! Ouch!
Do the math on an Eager Beaver from Wal Mart or Menards! Please. 😂
Your dyno videos are so interesting and informative Joe, thanks for taking the effort to share. Confirming my thoughts on getting a 372xp OE and getting it ported for a great little firewood saw. Best wishes from Western Australia.
Great stuff!!!
Love seeing all the brands without talking some up and bashing the others. Some youtubers are too brand loyal. They all have some great saws!
Stihls suck 🤣
@@brettblack7049 HAHAHA
@@ahineman123 I couldn't resist. It seems the stihl crowd is the most easily triggered, I think its cause they have more money invested in them.
I like to say, "what works for one, doesn't work for everyone".
I prefer husky for handling, but have many brands. The 462 in the video is one of my old saws, dang stihls 😆
I own some of all the brands tested, but the local husqvarna dealer has the best prices and service so I tend to prefer that brand
@@ahineman123
That's cool, you found what works for you 😃
I like that I can buy husky parts online.
500 views an hour!!! Killing it Joe!! Thanks for the awesome videos
Awesome comparo again, Joe, hey just something to remember in regards to horsepower differences between all these saws is that a modded muffler on a 372xp would probably make it in the top 3 for power. The best saw is the one you like to operate the most and last the longest, good work Joe.
Red beard sells modified intake for a 372 as well
@@Banjoandguns How do I contact Red Beard? Would he have a muffler for a Homelite XL12?
They are all so close that you can’t make a wrong choice. Other than the 500i costing 500$ more for not having that much more power. 462 or 572 if buying new. Too bad they stopped making the 461 because it is one heck of a saw
They stopped making the 461? That's lame!
Great test ! I will take my converted 64cc to OE 79cc 7900 Makita ex rental Home Depot saw that I have $450 into over a new Stihl 500i . LOL
Nothing wrong with those at all
Great job. Sure gave me insight. And proof in the pudding about the 462 lack of bottom end being a short stroke saw. It's my favorite no doubt for my needs. I wasnt surprised the almighty glorified 500i barely makes more power then a 460,461.
That drop in power on the top end like you said amazes me that under load it drops off. Which load is any amount of cutting at that rpm, to drop of and get it to the midrange? I thought that was really interesting how they all have done that when you put load to it.
Anyhow I just think you're Dyno runs on these saws is great, keep up the great work!
I like saws 70cc and larger. I have a 462 and a 441. The 462 feel torquey in comparison to the 441. Even though people complain about the torque of the 462, it is better than a 372. I also have a farmertec 440 and 372. I don't have much have much run time on the 372 so I can't comment on it. I think it is going to be good. The 440 seems to have torque about like a 660. It is a very good cutter.
The saws that make high rpm power will normally feel "light " on tq to a lot of people.
The fall from 7hp to 5 is more a loss vs from 5.5 to 4.5. Even though 5 is still more the 4.5 it felt like more of a drop, so that must mean it is less.
Hope that makes sense.
Great info Dyno Joe.
Be interesting to see how a Farmertec 372xp copy comes up and a Iron Horse modded 372xp (ported) & 372xp (86cc).
@Ironhorse sent many of us here 😊
What a blessing. Was just wondering which 70 cc saw i should buy. Awesome content
Hope this helps you out.
Having viewed your charts a few many times now I can follow your pointer to get it.
I have a 461 and it does have the torque. Had to remove the plastic limiters from the carb adjusting screws because I couldn’t get it to idle. Like at all. I don’t really like the way the saw performs across the board though. I still use it, of course. My go-to saw is my Holzfforma 372. It has been a reliable saw for about five years now and I love the way it cuts. As others have said, a sharp chain makes the saw. I always carry spare chains and bars. If you get your bar pinched in a tree and you don’t have your heavy equipment handy you can pop your power head off and cut yourself free with your spares.
Ought to try doing the 60cc class and include a 460 rancher.. that was the saw I started out on and ran for years, these dyno comparisons are what get mad views
Another great video, I imagine it was a good deal of work putting it all together.
Awesome video ... the same 70cc contenders woods ported I would like to see... always thumbs up content 👍🏽👍🏽
the 500i is the best saw made its so light & powerful love it
Going to be a though one to top in the future too.
Nice work Joe! Thanks for all your work!
That 462 came from out your way, not your old one, I'm still running that.
Have a great week buddy.
Next you should do a 60cc Dyno run. 311,362, echo cs 590, cs 620,husky 455 and I think the 460.
Working on it.
Nice test video! I would be interested to now see them ported, muff modded and broken in for full potential
Ya would be interesting to see exactly how much power is gained.
Awesome test Joe.A comparison of different fuels and or oils would be cool.
I'll have to try that sometime.
Great head to head, data doesn't lie. Thanks for the efforts you make to put out noticeable content. This whole chainsaw community knows about you and much respect is shown.. Nothing but potential Joe, keep em comin.. SLANT'E
Thank you, I have a few more videos to work on.
It dose when none are broke in
@@k-techcowboy4260
A lot of people get upset when a saw dosent perform out of the box. The extra 3-5% might not change an opinion if the saw isn't a runner right out of the box.
The difference when broken in should be noticeable obviously. I don't think the outcome of joe's dyno tests would reflect much difference between models from out of the box to broken in. The saw is the saw😉
I'm old small engine tech, the large intake ports lower pressure and speed.And lots hog them out. It's fun to watch.
Great vid can't wait till the ported shootout of them
The 462 edged out the 572 in stock trim. Surprising. The 462 needs that extra 2mm stroke that the 461 has.
The 462 is a used broken-in saw. The 572 is new out of the box. He said so. It will make a huge difference when the rings seat.
Pretty damn good numbers from the 572xp. Interested to run that 461 vs my ported 572xp. It should wallop it pretty good. I'll be testing them with either 25" or 28" bars in hardwoods.
572 xp is a waybetter logsaw Also the 572s don’t even come alive until you have about 10 gas tanks ran through them I would love to see all them get broken in to see who is who
Ported 461 out gun that 572 again
@@hbhb8173 ported 461> ported 572xp. Just they way it works out. Numbers don't lie. Also 461's last longer, and easier to fix yourself.
@@goldentrucker7921 That’s a complete lie 100%
@@goldentrucker7921 For problems they got bearing problems the main problem with them in general they are not a login saw you’re obviously somebody that lives in a house and plays in your backyard Professionals don’t fucking use them one bit their junk my dad my grandpa cut wood for 40 years don’t tell me and in Canada 🇨🇦 Really far and few between there a go home saw NOT A LOGSAW
Thanks Dyno Joe for this analytical saw info - fascinating stuff! About the hole in the 500i dyno graph at the upper rpm range... do you think that was done to look favorable on European emissions testing? Is the ability coming connect a computer to the saw's fuel computer and change the fuel table like they do when "re-flashing" engine control units (ECUs) in cars to correct the air/fuel ratio across the rpm range?
The dip is just in the tuning. The 500i without a lot of time on them like to richen way up under no/light load. Takes a while for them to learn/not do that.
Late to the game here, but LOVE these vids. Good info to help in planning future saw purchases. Thanks very much.
Funny thing seeing the numbers but as you touched on it doesnt always represent value for money. I got a 572 for £750 and the price given to me by my stihl dealer (who always sorts me out good prices) was £965. So it was a no brainer quite frankly.
That is why I didn't mention prices, I have no idea what the markets are like outside of the US. Then you favor in sales or used saws. Can justify a purchase many ways.
@@dynojoemods2764 if you want I’ll send you a load of prices for each machine from here in the uk if that helps.
That's a nice comparison I would like to see just the 572xp an 462cm run against each other to many lines is confusing lol. Put a Muffler modd on them both run them again be a nice turn out
Great comparison Joe. I know that had to take a lot of time.
It was a task for sure.
Thank you for watching.
Another awesome video Joe👌 very helpful since there are a lot of factors when choosing a saw.
Awesome video Joe, would love to see what the difference in hp is on the MS500i after putting on one of those barkbox mufflers.
Great video thanks! I'm curious as to why you pull the starter cord when turning the saw off though?
Supposed to reduce the wear and tear on the starter pawls.
When some saws shut down they don't make it past the compression stroke and will grab another notch on the recoil. Then as the piston/crank rotats backward that 1/2 revolution it really pulls the rope tight into the housing. Adding wear and tear. Some really grab it tight and others didn't seem to. You can see my hand jump on the saws that try and pull back.
Love the video! Always wondered how they compared against each other.
New subscriber and really enjoying your videos you are doing a great job!!
Great vid. Extremely useful info!!
Back in 6/20, you had a stock 572 @ I believe just above 7hp on the dyno. Damn variables.
That is why I do before/after runs or in this case, all runs on the same day. The self tuning saws do tend to be all over from saw to saw.
I’ve run a 462 and 572 a good bit equally and I prefer the 572 simply because it’s been trouble free where the 462 hasn’t. I love both but I believe the 572 will be the longer lasting saw.
💯 agree.
That's weird I have the exact opposite experience lol guess it's just luck of the draw
And I'm not saying that out of picking favorites I love both brand's
What problems have you had with the 462?
@@gillerizedworksaws9561 what problems have you had with the 572?
@@robertclifford1099 hot start issues just like the 562 I still like it a lot but there's nothing more annoying than a saw that won't start when it's hot and my 462's have never gave me that problem and I have 3 of them
I'm not surprised the 462 was 2nd, that saw is an animal
Dang it. I wish I could’ve came up with one of my Original Dolmar 7900’s for this. But even then, the 7901 is closer to one you can buy new, so I get it…it’s hard to please everyone. You’re a brave man Joe🤣🤣🤣
It is what it is. Hard enough trying to locate 8 current production saws let alone adding the oldies lol
@@dynojoemods2764 exactly! You just keep doin your thing buddy, you’re killin it👍🏻
Another great video. Thanks for posting. It is appreciated.
Thank you for watching.
Really a good test with even a better expanation. Like the americans say, there is no better subsitude for power than cubic inches. and maybe more important, for torque when you compare the 461 and 462. Maybe a nice upgrade for your video's, give the factory displacement, power and torque and weigth vs your measured numbers. (not for displacement. ) keep up the good work. like your channel very much.
There is no replacement for displacement.
@@austindenotter19 that one i was looking for. My english is not wonderfull as a dutch guy
Awesome video! Really like these comparisons videos
Finally! Lol
Now I need to send you my 7900 from 06 I think she will be right with the 500i, as it's ahead of my 462 and the 461 I had.🤘 the difference between the SLR 7900 and the older ones is there and now we see it in hard numbers.👍👍
That was part of the reason for this Makita. No slr in this muffler and has the higher coil. Top 4 are so close. I bet a broken in 7900 could shake things up for sure.
@Dyno Joe Mods Exactly! And manufacturing differences, I've had 7900's with 170psi of compression all the way to nearly 200psi, the one I ha e here is at 185psi. I'm not seeing wild difference in the newer saws like I did 15-20 years ago.
Thanks again man you're really rocking these videos, and have really put most of the nay saying to rest. lol
@@Andyshine77 interesting I'm only getting 150-160 off both my dolly 7910and my makita guise 7910. Both slr removed/muffler modded. Though had one of them run 190. Maybe my tester is bit off. They have been sitting a while when they showed 150ish. Do you run saw before testing or does that not make any difference... was weird as was pulling and pulling thinking I'm sure I got over 190 last time😂🤔
@DolmarDog-Rick if the saw is warm compression will be lower, and the amount of residual oil in the cylinder will have a huge impact. If you let the saw idle and load up with oil, let the saw cool and check compression, it will be higher than if you shut the saw down after making a good cut.
@@Andyshine77 on side note, just put a drop of oil down bore of my makita 79er and pulled over few times then tested again because its been sat for a bit over crimbo, its pumped out a smidge below 200psi. will run up tomorrow and check again, obviously a film oil on the bore does help on the sealing. 👍
I’d be curious to see how those new huskies would do after ten tanks through them. It appears a few of those stihls have been broken in and rings set and the makita.
The 462, and 500i had some time. The rest were all new out of the box.
Nice work Dyno Joe! 👍 ... I appreciate all the hard , painstaking work you are putting in. Definitely putting some chainsaw “myths” to rest. Your straightforward no BS approach will take you far. Lotta guys yappin and beatin their chests out there. Refreshing to see someone giving the “straight-goods” !
You gonna send a saw you've done to him for testing?
@@brettblack7049 Dont worry about it. Last I checked DYNO JOE was the first contact not YOU! From where I sit , you ain’t callin any shots and really ain’t got nothin to say about it now do ya ?
@@fabzacres-blackcat what you talking about the first contact.
I just asked a simple question, are you gonna send him a saw you've worked over?
Did you send him one?
@@brettblack7049 are you gonna pay for the run and the ride there and back ? It’s about $160 iirc
great comparison video on saw performance; this kind of thing is new and needed in the saw community; awesome job.
Great information and i love your videos. What do you think of the Echo especially for the price? I feel like with few tanks and a proper tune it would be a bit more competitive.
Thank you.
The echo seems to be a very good option. Well made solid built saw with great air filtration. Really is one to look at in this class
These are great videos man keep it up!
Awesome vid Joe! Love the 462, quick question why do you pull the cord out when shutting it down ? Thanks
Someone had made mention that it made them cringe listening to the starter pawls lock on shutoff.
You can see the little tug some give the rope. Those would be trying to yank it into the recoil housing without the extra slack.
It’s a great way to prolong the wear on the starting dawgs and recoil assembly.
@@TommyUhlman thanks! Ah a banshee guy, I have a 99 general lee banshee, 86 trx250r, 14 trx450r & 20 raptor 700r . High 5
@@dynojoemods2764 It's a good idea, which I always seem to forget 😬, though not as big of a deal as some make it out to be on modern saws IMHO, some older models it's of more importance.
My 462cm is a beast…Love it
It amazes me that the echo ranked something other than last.
Poor echo lol
They are a solid saw and have good porting potential
My man from "Blackhawk" land you sir like I said awhile back. You're content is on point. Keep the videos comming sir. Take care.
Good lineup. What fuel and mix oil are you running for your tests?
I use 40:1 amsoil dominator.
Love these tests you’re doing! Any plans for the 60cc class?
Once I can gather them all in 1 place.
Would love to watch that. I own Stihl ms362cm and Husky 562xp.
Joe, I calculated the hp/lb and hp/cc for all the stock Husqvarna and Sthil saws in the 50, 70, and 90 cc class you have tested so far. To date the saw with the highest hp/lb is the 592xp with .456 hp/lb (followed by the ms462c at .426 hp/lb). The saw with the greatest hp/cc is the Husqvarna 550xp mark 2 at .095 hp/cc (followed closely by the 592xp an ms462c).
My question for you is associated with the weight you are showing for the saws. Specifically, do you fill the oil and fuel tanks all the way up? Do you weigh them before the tank's are filled?
Thank you for taking the time.
I fill them "full" right to the top where the caps will still close. Just like you would filling up in the woods. Full but not making a mess.
It’s a sad day for us 372 owners! I wonder if the ported potential is nearly a linear increase for the 572 or if a good 372 port job will yield similar results to a ported 572.
As aa Stihl Fan Id still rather a 372xp than a 461 my next door neighbor has a 461 and my firewood buddy has a 372xp its much lighter. Not as much grunt but 372 is a nice saw. I'll take my 500i over either saw
The older style saws 372,7310,7901 tend to gain a lot more after porting than the newer models 572,462, 500i
Awesome comparison. Have you done work to the 7310 or 7900/7910 saws? If so, what kind of adjusted power do each make with mods?
I will be building one of those in the coming weeks.
@@dynojoemods2764 looking forward to seeing that build! Will help me decide what to do with the one I picked up.
Could you do a dyno run on an ms440, mild port job, dual port muffler and see why kind of power it makes? Thanks! Nice videos!
On my Facebook page I have a few ported 440/044 graphs posted. The link is in the video description.
Thanks for the feedback!
Greetings Joe...not sure if you can answer this (as you might have to not favor one over the other). I'm interested, please...if you had to cut hardwood, plenty of Tree Felling/bucking.
Which saw would you go to for being a reliable work horse?
Upwards of 10/20 trees felled a day and bucked...5 days a week!
Majority will be hardwood. (will purchase 2 or mix 1 with another). Your opinion is appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Keep in the wood.
Whichever one feels best in your hand along with the best dealer support local. Is how I would pick the saw.
@@dynojoemods2764...Thanks Joe, yes, you make a lot of sense there! Wow, that was a quick reply Friend. Spoken with words of wisdom, and not rocking the boat...I like it! I'm going through a few more of your videos, to see if you slip up, and favor one over another haha (tongue in cheek there Joe). Appreciate your kindness in replying, Thanks Joe.
Cheers from Australia.
ps...Yes Joe, "feels best in my hands" and support. Will do.
Btw this video rocks ,answers many questions in a great saw world , amazing what’s available and how dyno jo can make them really run the way u want
good job joe
Thanks for adding the not as well known Makita/Dolmar.
Worked out just right i have a couple of them here to get ported.
Good thing the 500i was the winner, otherwise it would be pretty embarrassing for stihl considering it’s the most expensive by far!
I agree, but considering the cost it comes out behind if you ask me.
@@brettblack7049 the cutting edge of innovation always costs more
@@Morpheen999 it sure does, but for the slight "edge" in power I'd rather go with proven technology that you'd never know the difference in power of unless you saw it here. I've ran every one of these models except the echo(that 462 is one of my old saws), I'd own the 500i if I could get it cheap, but as joe said, any of the others ported would be ahead of of the 500i and I'd still have less into it than the price of a stock 500i.
Have a great week sir 😃
@@brettblack7049 I agree
And for the price of echo, no auto tune or crazy computers, plus ported and pipe, I think a real contender
@@medjoolmaker no pipe for this guy lol. I held the echo and it felt better than it looked in hand, but I've never ran one. I'd take the oe if were talking ported or the 462. I've ran the autotune/ mtronic saws for yrs and never had a problem because of the electronics, but I don't recommend them to guys who are cutting firewood.
Great info and video! :)
🤝🤝🤝
Thank you!
Amazing video! Keep up the great work!!
Epic! Great info people have been looking for. Keep it up!!! 🤟🤟🤟
Video idea: how much can you bog down a saw by tensioning the chain too much while still having it spin/workable - how much loss % can a regular joe flush down the drain by not tensioning properly.
The chain tension is more about ware! Wares sprockets, crank bearings, bars, tips, chains run hotter dulls quicker. Just creats more heat which is a component killer!! Pressure creates heat in all muchanics.
Thanks Joe
yes the video i have been waiting for!!
Doing really well on these tests, I am wondering if these auto tune saws are really better than the adjustable carb models. They might be by epa standards but dont seem to develop the torque of the carb saws
Dude this is awesome! Keep it up.
Great work Joe. Quite surprised the dolly being the 4th hp out of the top 4. Yet there has been quite a few head to heads with 500i longish bar and there isn't much in it..... Still not bad for an old dog. Yet the 500i sups juice. Is there much progression yet costs double nearly also?🤔🤷♂️. Great content though👌
The top 4 are so close in to it would be hard to tell in the wood. The Makita has a bout the best powerband for the avg user. It would probably be faster than the other 3 more often than not.
@@dynojoemods2764 interesting. Is that because it has a broad powerband?. Slightly hard to read graph fully off the video. Was quite impressed with the 461, pumps out good power seeing as it's closer to 70cc than 80. 👌
@@Dolmar-Rick
461 is 76cc
The broad powerband favors more users. If you can't keep the load in the right spot with the 462 it falls off fast. Then it is down to 3 and the 461/Makita are so close and the 500i is only a few % more power. That is why it can go either way in the wood.
@@dynojoemods2764 Ah thought 461 was 71cc. Maybe getting mixed up with 572🤣🤦🏻♂️. pretty straight explaining there ... cheers Joe👌
Great work Joe!!
Thank you
very well explained
Thank you for watching!
Have you dynoed a 400c yet? Would be nice to see comparison to a 372xp and a 362c
I have done 1, and I have a pair here that need to get Ported. Hope to get some footage of the builds/runs.
One of new favorite channels, I love the variety of content. Maybe in the future dyno viewers chainsaws, or a saw between a aftermarket rebuild and oem rebuild
I really wanna send him my ported 036 for testing..
Testing cylinders is on the agenda soon.
Thank you for watching.
@@chapsmaketory3960 Who ported it.
Nice video! I seen you have a video like this with 50cc saws but haven't run across one with 60cc's. Would there happen to be one?
Thanks for the info my friend great videos
Can you have a similar 60cc saw shotout?
Yes. I am working on gathering the 60cc saws.