Not possible. Even lowering res to 480p in some games won't give you 60 fps. Believe me, I know. My PC is very similar to the consoles (weak CPU, great GPU). A game would have to be GPU bound for the framerate to double just from lowering resolution.
ThexXxX.... You're an idiot. I can tell you've never seen most of these modern games at 720p. You're tune would change real quick if you saw how awful they look at 720. You may think 720 is okay because of last gen games, but you're forgetting that those games had much simpler graphics, much less complex geometry, and didn't use differed rendering. Games with differed rendering look especially horrible without really good AA, even at 1080p. At 720p, it's a complete mess. Modern games would be practically unplayable at 720p, no matter the framerate. Now, simpler games like Nintendo Switch titles, sure. Those are fine at 720p and need 60 fps, but PS4 games are 1080p 30 for a reason. The console was designed for it, and the games are much better that way.
MonsterKat insomniac did a blog post a few years back on how framrate how zero impact on game sales, whereas graphics do, so developers will always put a focus on graphics over framerate to increase their sales
You know I will give Sony just a little bit of credit here for actually going in and implementing this because quite honestly I know a lot of fans wanted it. Yes, I'm aware the XBOX One X has Super Sampling as a standard feature and that's great. I do have a PC for a lot of my gaming needs but I think a lot of people don't still realise how much a 4K set or a 1080ti actually costs so for someone who just wants to relax at home and enjoy their console with a little more polish this great.
Actor Adam Anouer if you're willing to turn down settings on a pc to medium and a mix of low settings you can easily get 4k 60fps for the majority of games for around 750-1000 pounds (assuming that something like mining isn't increasing part prices) if you want to go cheaper for 30 fps you could probably do that for around 600 pounds. It's only on high or ultra settings you need anywhere from 1500-2400 pounds
Arran Donbavand if you want to run gta only thats fine but if you play the latest games you will need upgrade in less than 2 years to keep frames-res at a reasonable numbers and in some cases because of the optimization some games will not be playable even 1440p at least.
manoz manos correction to myself the 970 can run gta 5 at 60 fps low settings at 4k. While I understand that if you went for the 970 (I wasn't talking about a build with it in when I was talking about prices I was talking about the 1070 ti) then yes you would have to upgrade in a few years but for now you can easily achieve around medium sometimes with a mix of high if you go for the deeper range of the price range I gave easily at 60 fps. Edit: but at the moment you're looking at prices between 900-1200 due to memory and GPU price increases for medium settings.
The best workaround for having to change the supersampling mode depending on the game is being able to flag specific games as using supersampling or not from the system menu, or even the library menu. That way you can flag the games you wanna use it on, and unflag the ones you don't, eliminating the need of going back into the system menu to switch it on or off every time. Would be similar to Nvidia's control panel options.
This. Sony needs to allow the Supersampling and Boost Mode toggles to be set on a game by game basis. I'd much rather Sony enforce in-game toggles and no longer expose the system resolution to games, just like the Xbox One X, but the ability to enable and disable Boost Mode and Supersampling on a game-by-game basis is a good middle-ground step.
Joshua Graham ah right only one thing that annoys me is the fan noise! The whirring noise after no time really once u start playing 4k enhanced games. It's only when playing 4k games but that's the point of Pro. Perhaps it's the cooling system vapour cooling in one X that helps.
Mark Wheeler if the one x detects its getting hot it will have a burst of air like someone sighing. On the pro its really just the disc drive being annoying and when under load. Both are extremely good
If you have to zoom in so much to see the difference then what's the point? What I want to see is more games running at 60 fps, even if it's at 1080p. At 60 fps you can both see and more importantly feel the difference.
TriksterHD it's more noticeable when you view the uncompressed footage on a native display I'm sure. They zoomed in like that to service TH-cam compression on phone screens, for instance.
TriksterHD you see the difference immediately in person, zooming in for the purpose of the video is so that poeple using 1080p or lower displays or video quality can still see the difference without needing to actually have a 4k screen or running it natively
For those that own a HDTV that only supports 720p/1080i and were thinking about buying a PS4 Pro cause of Super-Sampling should think again cause a friend of mine owns a older HDTV like that and the SS feature does not apply for those lower resolutions. Only 1080p.
Cyrus Nalthys it cant even if it had the power to do so as the majority of games have a locked framerates. So it would need the developers to actually do it themselves. There's more to it than you may realize the gpu the cpu and hardrive ect all need a considerable boost to achieve this and we simply did not get enough.
Zero yeah not demanding ones the exact same games will also run at 60 on the xbox or very close. The majority of real exclusive games you know the ones anybody actually cares about run at 30 aside from a few such as gt sport but thats a racing game
Cheap 4k TV are shit, I bought a Pro with my 1080p plasma just for a fps-boost because the base ps4 is too weak to lock 60fps or 30fps with some games. i will always choose smoother experience instead of resolution or graphics enchancements....
back on the ps2 era, tvs with progressive scan were a new thing, and you had to enable it in a different way for every game, some of them saved your preferences like god of war, and some made you press the button combination or go to the menus every time you booted the game like BLACK and gran turismo, some games disabled some effects on prog-mode in exchange for the bigger resolution, like syphon filter dark mirror, also if you enabled widescreen mode in this specific game, prog.scan was not available anymore, you had to choose between the two. Now it is happening all over again with 4K, 15 years later.
Finally, thanks to Microsoft and its One X, because it's been over a year that Sony does not move, so when the release of the One X was already activated to enjoy a better rendering on 1080p screens, Sony looked silly.
Bangy Banks yap! That's true.. But still sony is the number 1 console, leading in sales... People now a days don't know what's the best console in the market today...for me xbox one x is the king of console, yes it's true xbox one and x has no games since 2015 but power is enough to make you a better gamer
They have. If you havent noticed xbox buying up devs, and new fable in the works. Microsoft trying to buy up EA Plus look out for E3 this year for Microsoft. going to be interesting year. Also gears team have a new exclusive coming to Xbox thats not Gears of War...Interested to see what that is. But we wont know the full extent till E3. But so far Xbox is improving all the time. Xbox gamepass new dashboard. it cant be a bad thing...
They are. Spencer has been promoted and is getting a lot of budget and more freedom to pursue what he needs to for making Xbox a success in the future. Around the same time he expressed to the public that the team understands the lack of exclusives and is looking to improve that.
The Pro and Xbox One are more worth it than I think people tend to think. I'm very happy with mine and can definitely tell the difference when watching my roommate play on his regular FULL HDTV. I quite like the Pro to be honest.
GravityGames I agree it is very worth it. Many games have 60fps mode and smooth stable 1080p support. For example Monster Hunter World run nice and smooth. In my experience you run the PlayStation 4pro in a nice 1080p Led IPS display all games are even sharper better detail due to the IPS technology.
Would've preferred an option to disable super sampling all together in games that it's forced like Skyrim or fallout. Like most people with 1080p screen i wouldn't notice the resolution difference and would prefer to have stable framerate and for my ps4 pro not howling like an jet engine.
Mad Lust Envy well you're not wrong I do have my eyes sight damaged by complicated birth and I'm playing on a 27inch screen, but I always prefer performance and quiet then over blown resolution and a jet engine next to me.
Sevent77 my ps4 pro is death silence, after 5 to 8 hours a day of playing 4k game.. My ps4 pro is 8 months old sometimes i got little worried that my ps4 pro has no jet engine sound,,..
crapgamer reviews well a jet is a bit of a exaggeration, in worst cases it's louder then my pc with 3 fans. In the end it's down to differences, i have my ps4 right next to me on the desk with my ps3 and pc it's fairly warm here and a tad dusty, so my ps4 may work a bit harder to keep itself cool when on full load. If it was about 5 feet away from and I'd be playing on a 50 inch the fan noise wouldn't be an issue, but sadly I only have space for my pc desk.
Actually, I don't think comparing them to a jet is an exaggeration but that's why you should either crank up your surround sound speakers, or wear headphones.
Can you guys please upload your native 1080p videos to youtube with 1440p and 4k enabled? It reduces the image artifacts by alot since youtube will use a higher bitrate iirc.
I was looking for the higher res DF youtube video when I saw blockiness in the 1080p60 mode. That's when I found there was none :( I hope DF up a 1440 up-res for this very reason.
I'll be honest, I'd be perfectly fine with that. My partner won't let me buy us a 4K TV so I've gotta make best of what I've got and this sort of helps.
1440p output has been something I've wanted since day 1. As for DF's side I'd like to see more comparisons of in-game supersampling to hardware forced supersampling, I'm curious if it will be better or worse in any scenarios.
because pc monitors lacks hdr and hdr is a huge improvement. even pc monitors that claim hdr can't show it properly. 1440p is not a tv standard. consoles are made for tv's. the end. get a 4k/hdr or keep using ancient tech. who cares.
I have a Pro and a 1080p TV (because 4K console gaming is genuinely overrated) and I would take the increased fps stability at 1080p over supersampled resolution. In fact, I pretty much only bought the Pro for (slightly) better framerates. My girlfriend uses a regular PS4 in the other room and the differences in stability can be insane.
ItsCoolwhip! He didnt ask wot i had. U think 4k and 60 fps don't matter to pc players pro players or xox players . Smells of a sad defence mode, do u not agree. Do you have a 4k tv or monitor?
21:9 wouldn't work on consoles very well. Wider fov = Increased GPU & CPU usage due to more stuff being rendered at any given time. The jaguar CPUs would especially struggle since they would need to calculate more geometry for example.
SpicyHotTech some people use monitors even when playing consoles and considering how few games actually run 4K on Pro and are actually closer to 1440p resolution a 1440p mode wouldn't be a bad idea.
That's why having competing consoles/manufacturers is a good thing. Want to know what happens when one is way ahead? Look at CPUs, memory and stuff ...
Doesn’t seem like a scramble to me should they not keep adding features when possible I own both systems and because of its library play on my Pro more then my one x
When I bought my Pro I just used the boost mode. Then I remember we also has supersampling mode also. Then I turned it on also. I appreciate this n now my Pro totally worth it.
There’re alway’s trade offs ,1 upscale it to 4K introduces jagged edges and stuttering motion ,or 2 smooth out jaggy edges and but will result in blurry edges and shimmering motion ,or 3 textures of supported games do get replaced with 4K texture to ensure jaggy free,blurry free and stuttering motion free image but will run at 30fps,so there is alway’s a trade off in any case and you’re dependent per game getting supported whether or not. What’s real strange is that if you run games in 4K on a 1080p display,jagged edges will then be smooth out.
Nvidia DSR, AMD supersampling, Sony PS4 Supersampling, the term supersampling is trending quite a lot in the industry across the board, it is defo a very useful technique to increase the detail of a game. Huge ++.
Really surprised it took them this long to get with the picture. but the PS4 was honestly rushed so it is their fault it took this long, i cant make excuses for them
Question - is the downsampling handled by the PS4-OS dedicated CPU core? In other words, is there any performance hit to the game because of the extra work needed to downsample to 1080p, or is it identical to the performance of a native 4K display?
Though PS4 is great, but the more comparison we get the more it seems to me that PS4 pro is a rushed product. Xbox one X seems like a more solid and a bit future proof to go for.
Alexey P Im unsure if this is true or not but i seen somehwhere that Microsoft isnt doing generations anymore. So i think the x might actually be the next gen and they will simply stop supporting the original and make games solely for the x and ps5 but im not entirely sure thats true.
Alexey P The Pro is not to be compared to the One X. Sony wanted to push VR, MS wanted to jump on the 4k train. The pro came at the zenith of the current generation, one x instead one year delayed. November 19 should have actually been the next gen, so they want to stall.
Alexey P it's $100 more and came out a year later, what were people expecting? Besides One X will be irrelevant in 2 years when real next gen consoles release.
Picked up the PS4 Pro Monster Hunter Edition. The console is gorgeous and plays game quite well in 4K mode. Glad to see Sony coming up with more ways to support different resolutions on their hardware.
Here's a neat trick: set your console to output 1080p, then enable 4K upscaling and motion interpolation on your TV to get 120 FPS 4K output from 30 FPS 1080p. Of course not as nice as native, but works very well, and no need for a new console. This also works with the Pro's SSAA and Boost modes if you want anti-aliasing or an extra 10-20 native FPS versus a "true" 4K image.
I got a PS4 Pro to run Dark Souls 3 and Bloodborne and in December 2018 as of writing I'm really pleased with the results in 4k. Both of them run vastly better than on my base PS4 and are in beautiful 4k. The Xbox One X maybe better, but Microsoft doesn't have Bloodborne or anything like it.
I'm not disappointed i got the Pro. Because regardless i want my PS4 games to look better. and they do, as small as most of them are.it's still a upgrade,Exclusives push the bar as far as the pro can go. But for all multi platform games i just buy them on the X1X. Which was in no way a disappointment for me.
No but last week i got the PS4 Pro just for them single player games with my new 4k gaming monitor!! I still play all my multi plat games on my Xbox One X!! All the single player games on my PS4 pro i rent them cause there is no replay value!! Also Vr is cool on the Pro!!
Guess I'm the only one that disabled this option but enabled boost mode so I at least have a stable fps of 30 sometimes ..., it's really unbelievable that some games still don't hit 30 FPS on pro with boost in 1080P
And AO. I'd rather have simple AA and motion blur on than having AO off. AO, imo, is an immense difference. Admittedly, I seem to be the only one who thinks so.
Everyone from now on will suddenly understand what a supersampling is and praise this feature. The same mofos who previously bashed it just because it was available only on Xbox. The fanboy effect.
ivo not gonna lie I remember seeing comments that supersampling did nothing and was worthless, now the comment section is overflowing with praise for Sony, it's baffling
Been available for YEARS on PC. Used to force super sample Final Fantasy XI... it's not new at all. Nice that Xbox jumped on the bandwagon though. it's a nice OLD feature.
Silent Hunter ha?? What are you talking about??? Hehehe... Supersampling is for the lower resolution that downsampling from 4k.. What base assets are you talking about??? Hehehehe... If the game has temporal anti aliasing and the game is 4k and you downsampling it to much your display at 1080p the outcome is less aliasing jaggies.. To be honest I don't like sony, but i give you my unbiased opinion.... one of the best example of supersampling on ps4 pro i ever see is horizon zero dawn even digitalfoundry was surprised ,because the supersampling on horizon zero dawn running on ps4 pro has very minimal jaggies the details is so smooth, that you can't even see the aliasing anymore...
Silent Hunter if you're talking about 4k assets it is a different story, because the assets won't be applied if you're using 1080p display ... Supersampling is supersampling is all about anti aliasing and details.. I have xbox one x not all the game has 4k assets.. Some of the game on my xbox one x is normal dynamic 4k except shadow of war it has 4k assets if you using xbox one x on 4k...
wicked science You n00b. Supersampling won't be that effective if base assets are running at below 1080p resolution. Downsampling of above 1080p resolution will obviously improve AA lil bit but difference will be very minimal. Go try supersampling on PC running at low graphics @ above 1080p resolution and then compare those graphics with supersampling running at Ultra graphics settings at higher resolution than 1080p, result will be significant. Pro supersampling effect will be so minimal that most won't even notice.
Unlike Microsoft Sony never advertised it as a native 4K console, only as a machine that can look good on 4K screens this was stated before the machine was released in press conferences, now Microsoft However had been going on about how their native 4K machine will destroy the Pro and thanks to Digital Foundry we know that most games use fake 4K checkerboard rendering... yes the same technique Xbox fan boys have been slating all year since the PS4 Pro was released and I am struggling to see any game the matches the graphics of Forza MS 7 but its a racing game which is not demanding anyway even the "weak" PS4 PRO can match the "most powerful console ever" GT sport pretty much matches Forza MS 7 visuals and some would say GT Sport looks better.
Danny Lau where the hell have you been? The X doesn't checkerboard games nowhere as near as much as the pro. There are fewer games checkerboard rendered on the X than the pro.....as a matter of fact there are head to head comparisons where the game is checkerboard rendered on the pro but not on the X. Secondly you are talking about graphics and resolution which aren't the same thing. You picked forza and Gt sport for a comparison and completely ignored the fact that the X has consistently beaten the pro in head to head versions of the same game. Bottom line is the X has done everything it was said it would do. And fyi yeah Sony did advertise the pro as a 4k console
This will be great for recording/streaming gameplay! Having a 1080p capture card instead of a 4K one means you can't use 4K on the PS4 so now games can be played at higher quality than before c: I approve
Just upgrade your TV to a 4K if you have one of these updated consoles. I had my XboxOneX at least a month before I got a 4K TV and to the naked eye, the supersampling didn't really stand out my 1080p TV. But holy tihs did the picture stand out once I got a 4K set. The difference was akin to a console generational jump.
Can you convince Sony to add these things to the quick menu? And let it save the setting on a per-game basis, so you don't have to keep toggling it? Same for the control remapping, it should have multiple profiles and invert X/Y
Oh....look how now Super-Sampling is a big deal. The Xbox One X have that feature since months and wasn't worth mention or making a extra video??? of course.......
super sampling is only important for peasants that's still on crappy 720p-1080p non-hdr tv's. who cares. 4k/hdr is the reason why ps4 pro and xbox one x came out.
The real peasants are the ones using tvs to begin with, even if it's 4k. 90% of games on the x is not even close to native 4k, and all sandbox titles even at 1080p, or old backwards compatibles Xbox 360 titles like GTA4 with unlocked framerate still can't hit 60fps. The irony in your comment is just too much.
Wait wait wait: Do games that play on 1080p on a 4K monitor will play at SuperSampled 4K resolution/SSAA?? For instance Rime, Bloodborne etc..? If it can't do that with 1080p games like Bloodborne on a 4K tv that sucks...
How could you get a game without a Pro patch with benefits? Lol you realize the res has to be more than 1080p to downsample. This supersampling on Pro is for games that don’t offer it normally, which is only a handful of Pro patched games the rest supersample by default
The comment said there is no benefit to games that aren't pro patched. Full stop. None. But there is. Just not with this, and not to resolution. He spoke in an absolute, I corrected him.
I am still playing on a PS4 standard and a 1080i wide screen Sony HDCRT. The smoothest running, best looking game I have played is Nioh. It runs at a steady 60fps. That is really the single most important attribute a game can have. 4K, SSAA, is just straining at a gnat. 1080 at 60fps looks great! But so few console games bother to pull it off. Instead choose to struggle with 4K and SSAA. Trot that horse out when the consoles can run it at 60fps.
I can't see any real difference myself, but with my own PS4 Pro I have done my own test & I think the PS4 Pro looks better just with the normal / stock settings that it comes with straight out of the box. I don't even use that other option " Boost Mode "
@SpicyHotTech Yes. *First party* games which accounts for 3% of the total video game market. I have the collectors edition of HZD. It's very good but I'm not sure what your point is. No modern game developers are going to rewrite their entire renderers to accomodate for a single niche system. I'm right; I'm a game developer. Accept it, move on. Off topic: Watch the Noclip documentary on HZD; it's great.
The Rick Because companies want to make that money. The only reason playing multiplayer on Pc is free is because that platform isn’t owned by a corporation. Like Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo.
Well that's cool. I never had a reason to buy a pro because I didn't have a 4k tv. I got a 2tb hard drive for the base PS4. But with this update I might just pick it up. Makes it worth it now to upgrade without the 4k tv
Digital Foundry predicted that Sony will add this as a system wide feature, because the Xbox One X has it, too and they were absolutely right. This is why healthy competition is always good. Companies constantly search for ways to improve their tech and if it takes other tech to do that, then that's completely fine. Supersampling for people on a 1080p screen is a very nice feature and we should applaud Sony for adding it. We are really in a good timeline and I seriously can't wait to see the next gen tech and hopefully the companies don't start from the beginning, but improve based on what we already have. I'll be there on day 0 anyways. :P
Shazlynk TG Sony followed where the money is. Just like Nintendo will soon. These companies would have done it, even if Microsoft didn't have it in first place. If you think otherwise, you are very naive. Like seriously, from a business perspective, why would they pass on an opportunity that makes them hundreds of million dollars? I find it absurd that people complain about paying 40-60$ for 12 months, but the same people go on microtransactions shopping spree and buy 100's of $ worth of this crap. Like, give me a break...
You like to be ripped off don't you ? What for are you defending big companies that just want to make money out of your pocket even if it's unethical ? And you call me "very naive" ? Unless you are a shareholder ? The fact that it is rational "from a business perspective" doesn't make it good. And if you think "following where the money is" equals to good games or consoles I don't know how the fuck you got this much brainwashed. "These companies would have done it" Okay so now you're Nostradamus ? Besides can you explain me how the fact that(in your opinion) they would have done it anyway make it acceptable ? I think that if Sony or Nintendo would have done it first people would have shout against it and those companies would have been forced to step back. It happened in 2013 when Microsoft revealed the DRM thing about xbone and all those other weird shit. Anyway it doesn't matter now. Microstransactions being worse than paying online(in your opinion) don't make a difference, it it both shit and unacceptable. Really poor argument right here. This specific case is just an example of why capitalism is bad when not regulated. Even if you got ethics, you're in competition with people who doesn't and if they make more money than you you'll have to act like them to still make profits otherwise you'll die.
You will not see a difference. BF4 was never "Pro enhanced". What the super-sampling mode does is make a "Pro enhanced" game output at 4K and then sample the 4K image down to 1080p.
Why? I am more disappointed with developers really. Many games don't get proper if any Pro support. Rime for instance that's free on PS+ only runs at 1080p. Gravity Rush 2 doesn't run at full 4K CB. Bloodborne has no 4K/60fps/AA modes at all..
I don't want sony to leave it in my hands I wanted it to be automatic so I don't have to do anything to go in and tinker with every individual game what a bummer
country gaming the PS4 Pro is a garbage system that they did not put a lot of thought into one board is just going to get left behind by Xbox One X cuz it lacks RAM and bandwidth
progranite xl lmao i see xbox fanboy so everything u say can be overlooked...ill say enjoy x cause thats last xbox ull ever get cause microsoft is done in console buisness and x is selling like hot garbage...sure it has more power to play 360 games but who wamts that trash...xbox has alwaya sucked always been last place and they will soon be a pc streaming service like it or not...so go black ops 2 or halo or wtever little bit games x has y we pro owners play best games u can buy..dont belive it look at sonys software sells for quarter hahhahahahaha hate all u want but only true moron tries put down the absolute king in console space...more power is not what xbox needed same lame shit as one just prettier...like yourself its quite pathetic smh...you can reply witj whatever but i know and u know deep down your followimg a dead ass brand that will soon be gone if your to ignorant to see it oh well hahhahah...ill let u know how yakuza 6 nino kuni 2 god of war days gone last of us 2 dq11 etc etc etc is..no need let me know how great nomans sea is i found that out harshly myself
6:31 the post processing in mgs v is nuts, it is very demanding and adds a very thick motion blur effect along with a very strong anti aliasing. On pc I want to turn off the post processing (cos it looks awful) but it turns off motion blur which makes the game look quite choppy even at 60fps, you need to go beyond 60fps to make it look smooth and you'd need a higher refreshrate monitor to see that difference.
People should be happy for competition. If you get rid of one platform why would the other platform have to improve. It's because of the competition is the reason why they improve their platforms.
Faiyez It has all Pc features, where? Free online, mods, customization, upgradable hardware, multitasking, 60fps and higher, resolutions over 4K. Show me a console wich has any of these.
3840 2160 Console does all of those things now. Each and every one of them, so do your research buddy. Consoles have hardware upgrades in the same gen now. So instead of buying a $400 GPU, you buy a $400 console. Rainbow Six Seige has unlocked framerate, goes over 60 on console. And lmao @ "resolutions over 4K". Show me a commercial display that is over 4K, you wankface.
There is definitely a noticeable difference absolutely on 1080 I got a PS4 pro because I couldn't find any $5 in stock that weren't $600 or above anyway still got to use PS4 pro for 450 still kind of pricey for being 4 years old luckily it was the latest generation of it but point being is there's definitely a noticeable difference after using a base PS4 pro for years
Ummmmm, it's been there for years. Have you been looking in the right place? Multi-sampling, Adaptive Multi-sampling, Super Sampling etc, you've never seen this? lol
Yeah playing on PC does "feel" good. Been playing with all the sampling choices I want in 4K@60+ for 2+ years now and ummm...............I'm not going back :)
Russia Good, you're wrong. Both AMD and Nvidia GPUs let you downsample from higher resolutions to 1080p or whatever you want to do. With an AMD card, you simply choose the resolution you want from the in-game menus. The game thinks you have a higher resolution display, but it's actually being down sampled to your real display. It's built into AMD cards. Nvdia has something similar.
And now I wait for Sony to release a “force 60 FPS” mode...
720p60 > 1080p30
Ian G thats my dream! I wanna play Crash bandicoot the insane collection at 60 fps
Not possible. Even lowering res to 480p in some games won't give you 60 fps. Believe me, I know. My PC is very similar to the consoles (weak CPU, great GPU). A game would have to be GPU bound for the framerate to double just from lowering resolution.
ThexXxX.... You're an idiot. I can tell you've never seen most of these modern games at 720p. You're tune would change real quick if you saw how awful they look at 720. You may think 720 is okay because of last gen games, but you're forgetting that those games had much simpler graphics, much less complex geometry, and didn't use differed rendering. Games with differed rendering look especially horrible without really good AA, even at 1080p. At 720p, it's a complete mess. Modern games would be practically unplayable at 720p, no matter the framerate.
Now, simpler games like Nintendo Switch titles, sure. Those are fine at 720p and need 60 fps, but PS4 games are 1080p 30 for a reason. The console was designed for it, and the games are much better that way.
Hugo Stiglitz THANK YOU ! THAT IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDED TO BE SAID
i just wish devs would focus on 60fps, and 4k as a second thought.
MonsterKat insomniac did a blog post a few years back on how framrate how zero impact on game sales, whereas graphics do, so developers will always put a focus on graphics over framerate to increase their sales
60fps is easier to achieve than 4k@30 when coming from 1080p@30
Not that simple. Some games don't nees 60fps
@@mutomboken ALL games on consoles NEED 60FPS+.
It just provides a smoother feel to games and better latency with the controller.
"it just works"
@@PhillipLemmon it's because you're used to it.
I'll give sony credit here they actually did a feature people wanted
Pu3r 360 I laugh at you
Only took 5 years!
But the console is from Sony...
Because M$ pressured them. Lets you look like a shill, for giving them credit because of that.
Umm I'm a Xbox fan ? I have a Xbox one X im legit giving them credit
You know I will give Sony just a little bit of credit here for actually going in and implementing this because quite honestly I know a lot of fans wanted it. Yes, I'm aware the XBOX One X has Super Sampling as a standard feature and that's great. I do have a PC for a lot of my gaming needs but I think a lot of people don't still realise how much a 4K set or a 1080ti actually costs so for someone who just wants to relax at home and enjoy their console with a little more polish this great.
Actor Adam Anouer if you're willing to turn down settings on a pc to medium and a mix of low settings you can easily get 4k 60fps for the majority of games for around 750-1000 pounds (assuming that something like mining isn't increasing part prices) if you want to go cheaper for 30 fps you could probably do that for around 600 pounds. It's only on high or ultra settings you need anywhere from 1500-2400 pounds
Actor Adam Anouer in fact the 970 could run gta 5 on pc 4k medium settings 30 fps the majority of the time which is what the consoles run it at now
Arran Donbavand if you want to run gta only thats fine but if you play the latest games you will need upgrade in less than 2 years to keep frames-res at a reasonable numbers and in some cases because of the optimization some games will not be playable even 1440p at least.
manoz manos If you play on console, you don't care about reasonable frame rates in the first place. This "have to upgrade" argument is such bullshit.
manoz manos correction to myself the 970 can run gta 5 at 60 fps low settings at 4k. While I understand that if you went for the 970 (I wasn't talking about a build with it in when I was talking about prices I was talking about the 1070 ti) then yes you would have to upgrade in a few years but for now you can easily achieve around medium sometimes with a mix of high if you go for the deeper range of the price range I gave easily at 60 fps. Edit: but at the moment you're looking at prices between 900-1200 due to memory and GPU price increases for medium settings.
The best workaround for having to change the supersampling mode depending on the game is being able to flag specific games as using supersampling or not from the system menu, or even the library menu. That way you can flag the games you wanna use it on, and unflag the ones you don't, eliminating the need of going back into the system menu to switch it on or off every time. Would be similar to Nvidia's control panel options.
Liberal Decay That makes too much sense, remember...they like things complicated. Stay complicated my friend.
Um no it should automatically know which games it works for . It’s 2018 not mid ages
Oh shit hey krist,it's one of the goons. Didn't think I'd catch you here lol.
Likewise with Boost mode
This. Sony needs to allow the Supersampling and Boost Mode toggles to be set on a game by game basis. I'd much rather Sony enforce in-game toggles and no longer expose the system resolution to games, just like the Xbox One X, but the ability to enable and disable Boost Mode and Supersampling on a game-by-game basis is a good middle-ground step.
I did not buy a pro for better resolution, I bought it because I wanted higher framerate.
Christer Sjöberg me too
Christer Sjöberg This !
Boost mode did this to an extent though . I wish 1080p = extra FPS
they literally marketed it for better resolution. You played yourself if you expected otherwise
lmao sight where they said that please and thank you. I don't even give 2 shits about the pro. But I'm 90% sure they never marketed it like that.
This just proves competition is good! Each are always trying to outdo each other and that only benefits the consumer... I love my X and Pro!!!
Aaron Penrose u have both Pro and X, can I ask about fan noise on both for u AFTER a few hours gaming though? My Pro gets noisy
Mark Wheeler the one x is noticeably quieter than the pro
Joshua Graham ah right only one thing that annoys me is the fan noise! The whirring noise after no time really once u start playing 4k enhanced games. It's only when playing 4k games but that's the point of Pro. Perhaps it's the cooling system vapour cooling in one X that helps.
Mark Wheeler if the one x detects its getting hot it will have a burst of air like someone sighing. On the pro its really just the disc drive being annoying and when under load. Both are extremely good
Mark Wheeler might have to mod your console , number of ways to keep it quiet by installing your own fans . I am very sensitive to noise.
If you have to zoom in so much to see the difference then what's the point? What I want to see is more games running at 60 fps, even if it's at 1080p. At 60 fps you can both see and more importantly feel the difference.
TriksterHD for real bruh, like when you're playing games, when being immeresed those pixels that they are zooming are 100% ignored most of the time
TriksterHD it's more noticeable when you view the uncompressed footage on a native display I'm sure. They zoomed in like that to service TH-cam compression on phone screens, for instance.
On those big screens you people love to use yes those pixel flaws will be noticeable. On my pc monitor of 24 inch ,it'snot noticeable much,.
Facts
TriksterHD you see the difference immediately in person, zooming in for the purpose of the video is so that poeple using 1080p or lower displays or video quality can still see the difference without needing to actually have a 4k screen or running it natively
For those that own a HDTV that only supports 720p/1080i and were thinking about buying a PS4 Pro cause of Super-Sampling should think again cause a friend of mine owns a older HDTV like that and the SS feature does not apply for those lower resolutions. Only 1080p.
bro all i want is stable 60fps which both consoles cant achieve on many games.
all I want is good games.
They're limited by their CPU's unfortunately, next generation will most likely have Ryzen cores.
rockothetaco95 i hope soo
I'm playing the uncharted series remaster on ps4 , running at 1080p 60fps it's a joy to play
My prediction:
PS5: 4K 60 fps on 95% of titles
Price $599.
1080p users needs 60 fps....
Cyrus Nalthys it cant even if it had the power to do so as the majority of games have a locked framerates. So it would need the developers to actually do it themselves.
There's more to it than you may realize the gpu the cpu and hardrive ect all need a considerable boost to achieve this and we simply did not get enough.
Most of ps4 games runs 60fps ..
Zero no they dont they run smooth 30 fps. It"s very rare for exclusive games to run at 60 because of the graphics
Check a list on google ps4 games at 60fps .
Zero yeah not demanding ones the exact same games will also run at 60 on the xbox or very close.
The majority of real exclusive games you know the ones anybody actually cares about run at 30 aside from a few such as gt sport but thats a racing game
4:13 that's a huge difference in image quality.
Very nice update for pro users that still haven't got a 4k tv
cesar Why would you want a 4k TV? Do you enjoy playing slide shows?
Turd Furguson 😂
cesar I enjoy my pro and 4k tv
Can't image why someone would want a PS4 Pro and not have a 4K TV? Unless you are buying OLED like myself, regular 4k are dirt cheap now.
Cheap 4k TV are shit, I bought a Pro with my 1080p plasma just for a fps-boost because the base ps4 is too weak to lock 60fps or 30fps with some games. i will always choose smoother experience instead of resolution or graphics enchancements....
back on the ps2 era, tvs with progressive scan were a new thing, and you had to enable it in a different way for every game, some of them saved your preferences like god of war, and some made you press the button combination or go to the menus every time you booted the game like BLACK and gran turismo, some games disabled some effects on prog-mode in exchange for the bigger resolution, like syphon filter dark mirror, also if you enabled widescreen mode in this specific game, prog.scan was not available anymore, you had to choose between the two. Now it is happening all over again with 4K, 15 years later.
Finally, thanks to Microsoft and its One X, because it's been over a year that Sony does not move, so when the release of the One X was already activated to enjoy a better rendering on 1080p screens, Sony looked silly.
At least someone in this comments section is being honest.
Bangy Banks yap! That's true.. But still sony is the number 1 console, leading in sales... People now a days don't know what's the best console in the market today...for me xbox one x is the king of console, yes it's true xbox one and x has no games since 2015 but power is enough to make you a better gamer
crapgamer reviews lol I call detect the sarcasm
completely agree, that is the beauty of competition.
Shepherd Of Light fake profile
Good to see Xbox forcing Playstation's hand.
CGI Ireland I wish playstation forced Xbox hand and give us some new games
They have. If you havent noticed xbox buying up devs, and new fable in the works. Microsoft trying to buy up EA
Plus look out for E3 this year for Microsoft. going to be interesting year.
Also gears team have a new exclusive coming to Xbox thats not Gears of War...Interested to see what that is.
But we wont know the full extent till E3. But so far Xbox is improving all the time. Xbox gamepass new dashboard. it cant be a bad thing...
They are. Spencer has been promoted and is getting a lot of budget and more freedom to pursue what he needs to for making Xbox a success in the future. Around the same time he expressed to the public that the team understands the lack of exclusives and is looking to improve that.
chiefmegadeth I guess you like rumours
Not A fanboy lets see what happens with them.
The Pro and Xbox One are more worth it than I think people tend to think. I'm very happy with mine and can definitely tell the difference when watching my roommate play on his regular FULL HDTV. I quite like the Pro to be honest.
GravityGames I agree it is very worth it. Many games have 60fps mode and smooth stable 1080p support. For example Monster Hunter World run nice and smooth. In my experience you run the PlayStation 4pro in a nice 1080p Led IPS display all games are even sharper better detail due to the IPS technology.
Oh, well... that's cool I guess... Can we get a 1080p60fps checkbox?
Would've preferred an option to disable super sampling all together in games that it's forced like Skyrim or fallout.
Like most people with 1080p screen i wouldn't notice the resolution difference and would prefer to have stable framerate and for my ps4 pro not howling like an jet engine.
Mad Lust Envy well you're not wrong I do have my eyes sight damaged by complicated birth and I'm playing on a 27inch screen, but I always prefer performance and quiet then over blown resolution and a jet engine next to me.
Sevent77 my ps4 pro is death silence, after 5 to 8 hours a day of playing 4k game.. My ps4 pro is 8 months old sometimes i got little worried that my ps4 pro has no jet engine sound,,..
crapgamer reviews well a jet is a bit of a exaggeration, in worst cases it's louder then my pc with 3 fans.
In the end it's down to differences, i have my ps4 right next to me on the desk with my ps3 and pc it's fairly warm here and a tad dusty, so my ps4 may work a bit harder to keep itself cool when on full load.
If it was about 5 feet away from and I'd be playing on a 50 inch the fan noise wouldn't be an issue, but sadly I only have space for my pc desk.
Actually, I don't think comparing them to a jet is an exaggeration but that's why you should either crank up your surround sound speakers, or wear headphones.
Fantastic benchmark testing!! Ur contribution 2 the console gamer community is immeasurable! Thnx.
Can you guys please upload your native 1080p videos to youtube with 1440p and 4k enabled? It reduces the image artifacts by alot since youtube will use a higher bitrate iirc.
I was looking for the higher res DF youtube video when I saw blockiness in the 1080p60 mode. That's when I found there was none :(
I hope DF up a 1440 up-res for this very reason.
*this so much* . I have no idea how DF are stupid enough to drop the ball here.
*AGREED*
Because they have a patreon webpage where u pay and can dl every video in full native 4k... cmon guys. I couldn't be the only one who knew this?
If you are the only one who knew about this it only means one thing: BAD MARKETING
holy fuck almost took them a year to add something xbox one x and pc has had since FOREVER
We know sony is slow as their userbase.
Red Hunter117 Well, why did you buy an Xbox?
you know this is a feature for people with ancient low-end tv's right? i couldn't care less about it, 4k/hdr/oled says hi.
dr. whet farts do you know how many xbox gamers have said the same exact thing about “4k oled uhd”?
Add yet ps4 is still out Selling Microsoft.
Next, 1440p output.
I'll be honest, I'd be perfectly fine with that. My partner won't let me buy us a 4K TV so I've gotta make best of what I've got and this sort of helps.
The PS4 can't output in 1440p? You're joking, right?
Simon Pro outputs 1080p signal to 1440p monitors.
That's terrible.
SpicyHotTech, Many people use monitors for their consoles and a 1440p monitor wouldn't offer any real advantages.
1440p output has been something I've wanted since day 1.
As for DF's side I'd like to see more comparisons of in-game supersampling to hardware forced supersampling, I'm curious if it will be better or worse in any scenarios.
SpicyHotTech theyre both video outputs, why not support as many setups as possible.
because pc monitors lacks hdr and hdr is a huge improvement. even pc monitors that claim hdr can't show it properly. 1440p is not a tv standard. consoles are made for tv's. the end. get a 4k/hdr or keep using ancient tech. who cares.
dr. whet farts there are pc monitors with hdr dude.
I have a Pro and a 1080p TV (because 4K console gaming is genuinely overrated) and I would take the increased fps stability at 1080p over supersampled resolution. In fact, I pretty much only bought the Pro for (slightly) better framerates. My girlfriend uses a regular PS4 in the other room and the differences in stability can be insane.
Helifano i have a xox and a 4k tv. And it's not overrated. Your pro can't do 4k, so how would u know?
He didn't ask what you had mate. You XB 1X owners are like vegans.
ItsCoolwhip! He didnt ask wot i had. U think 4k and 60 fps don't matter to pc players pro players or xox players .
Smells of a sad defence mode,
do u not agree.
Do you have a 4k tv or monitor?
SpicyHotTech name them please
just shut up. 60 fps is not happening in demanding games because of cpu bottleneck.
I think that is a pretty good amount of the supercentre mode good to have
1440p output and 21:9 ratio plz
21:9 wouldn't work on consoles very well. Wider fov = Increased GPU & CPU usage due to more stuff being rendered at any given time. The jaguar CPUs would especially struggle since they would need to calculate more geometry for example.
I don't see either happening, especially the 21:9 aspect ratio.
Go get a PC.
Why no1440p TV's.
SpicyHotTech some people use monitors even when playing consoles and considering how few games actually run 4K on Pro and are actually closer to 1440p resolution a 1440p mode wouldn't be a bad idea.
kingdom hearts 1.5+2.5 was a native 4K on Pro but did not allow supersampling. Glad to see you can see that clarity now in 1080p
They’ve only scrambled this together just because the Xbox one X had this feature from the start
Does that mean it's wrong to appreciate it?
That's why having competing consoles/manufacturers is a good thing. Want to know what happens when one is way ahead? Look at CPUs, memory and stuff ...
Doesn’t seem like a scramble to me should they not keep adding features when possible I own both systems and because of its library play on my Pro more then my one x
Jabez 115
True
It’s the fact that they probably would have never have added this feature if not the one x hadn’t have utilised it.
When I bought my Pro I just used the boost mode. Then I remember we also has supersampling mode also. Then I turned it on also.
I appreciate this n now my Pro totally worth it.
Really enjoying the ps4 focused content digitalfoundry keep up the good work!
There’re alway’s trade offs ,1 upscale it to 4K introduces jagged edges and stuttering motion ,or 2 smooth out jaggy edges and but will result in blurry edges and shimmering motion ,or 3 textures of supported games do get replaced with 4K texture to ensure jaggy free,blurry free and stuttering motion free image but will run at 30fps,so there is alway’s a trade off in any case and you’re dependent per game getting supported whether or not.
What’s real strange is that if you run games in 4K on a 1080p display,jagged edges will then be smooth out.
Nvidia DSR, AMD supersampling, Sony PS4 Supersampling, the term supersampling is trending quite a lot in the industry across the board, it is defo a very useful technique to increase the detail of a game. Huge ++.
Sony PS4 Supersampling" inferior super sampling compared to DSR OR even the AMD one
Moses Jonson Dynamic Resolution to maintain performance too.
I know, but still, it's great for everyone, stop being a childish fool.
Really surprised it took them this long to get with the picture. but the PS4 was honestly rushed so it is their fault it took this long, i cant make excuses for them
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Question - is the downsampling handled by the PS4-OS dedicated CPU core? In other words, is there any performance hit to the game because of the extra work needed to downsample to 1080p, or is it identical to the performance of a native 4K display?
Its identical to the performance as if its hooked up to a 4k display its not any worse
Interesting. I hope that there'll be a comprehensive list of games that benefit from this setting, much like lists for Boost mode enhanced games.
Though PS4 is great, but the more comparison we get the more it seems to me that PS4 pro is a rushed product. Xbox one X seems like a more solid and a bit future proof to go for.
Alexey P Im unsure if this is true or not but i seen somehwhere that Microsoft isnt doing generations anymore. So i think the x might actually be the next gen and they will simply stop supporting the original and make games solely for the x and ps5 but im not entirely sure thats true.
Look at the support coming for Sony's console and compare it to Microsoft. Which is future proof again?
Alexey P The Pro is not to be compared to the One X. Sony wanted to push VR, MS wanted to jump on the 4k train. The pro came at the zenith of the current generation, one x instead one year delayed. November 19 should have actually been the next gen, so they want to stall.
Alexey P Deluded
Alexey P it's $100 more and came out a year later, what were people expecting? Besides One X will be irrelevant in 2 years when real next gen consoles release.
I can never tell the difference watching your vids on my cell phone but. . .
I'm willing to take your word for it.
Of course you can't tell the difference on a tiny cellphone. 360p looks like 1080 p on a cell phone. Pepe Please
Keepskatin - well my cellular is QHD so. Yeah. Screen too small to notice any differences. 360p doesnt look like 1080p nor 1440p.
I never Seen DigialFoundry this pumped for the PS4 Pro in a long time. U know PlayStation is during something right.
GameMasterpg if the textures are the same as the base PlayStation 4 how do you super sample a resolution down it makes no sense
@progranite xl like what the guy in the video said we are getting an upgrade over based hardware. So I'll take any upgrade we get.
GameMasterpg During lol or doing?
The pro does nothing right.
It's an embarrassment.
GameMasterpg Finally Sony has to get off their asses and provide their users a free perk...1.25 years later.
Picked up the PS4 Pro Monster Hunter Edition. The console is gorgeous and plays game quite well in 4K mode. Glad to see Sony coming up with more ways to support different resolutions on their hardware.
Love my One X! 🔥🔥🔥
Why? It has no games
One X is a waste. There's nothing it does that a PC won't do. Get a combo of PC and PS4, or PC and switch instead.
Keion Dupree Propably shadow of the colossus!!!
I didn't name that one, nice try 😂 shows how desperate you are, lol
kalkampanaros yeah an old remastered game ?
Here's a neat trick: set your console to output 1080p, then enable 4K upscaling and motion interpolation on your TV to get 120 FPS 4K output from 30 FPS 1080p. Of course not as nice as native, but works very well, and no need for a new console. This also works with the Pro's SSAA and Boost modes if you want anti-aliasing or an extra 10-20 native FPS versus a "true" 4K image.
I didn't see in my ps4 pro this function after update 5.05!
Thank you so much for this video. Concise, clear and most of all, very informative. Brilliant!
Please, leave the "motion blur ON" on every 30fps games.. It is smoothens out that low frames per second flickering!
I got a PS4 Pro to run Dark Souls 3 and Bloodborne and in December 2018 as of writing I'm really pleased with the results in 4k. Both of them run vastly better than on my base PS4 and are in beautiful 4k. The Xbox One X maybe better, but Microsoft doesn't have Bloodborne or anything like it.
whens the firmware update coming out?
There's no date set yet. The beta only started earlier this week though so I'd guess at least a month based on past firmware.
I'm not disappointed i got the Pro. Because regardless i want my PS4 games to look better. and they do, as small as most of them are.it's still a upgrade,Exclusives push the bar as far as the pro can go.
But for all multi platform games i just buy them on the X1X. Which was in no way a disappointment for me.
Too little to late!! Got the Xbox One X just for the fact that it supports it on all games!!
You did the smartest thing 😎
u play nothin else forza
Do PS4 games run great on your Xbox One X? Oh wait
No but last week i got the PS4 Pro just for them single player games with my new 4k gaming monitor!! I still play all my multi plat games on my Xbox One X!! All the single player games on my PS4 pro i rent them cause there is no replay value!! Also Vr is cool on the Pro!!
Yeah, HZD, GoW, Infamous, Uncharted, Spiderman, Days Gone and upcoming titles all look magnificent on XB1Xs SSAA.....
Wait
Guess I'm the only one that disabled this option but enabled boost mode so I at least have a stable fps of 30 sometimes ..., it's really unbelievable that some games still don't hit 30 FPS on pro with boost in 1080P
Motion blur off!?
THAT'S THE BEST NEWS!
It's limits disguised as ""cinematic"" garbage.
And AO. I'd rather have simple AA and motion blur on than having AO off. AO, imo, is an immense difference. Admittedly, I seem to be the only one who thinks so.
I like this comment.
Motionblur is only good when implemented properly.
motion blur on crysis 3 runs great
Danny everything in Crysis 3 looks great, game is gorgeous. :) Motion Blur is also solid in Doom as well.
Used this feature on GT Sport & I got to say that the edges are a lot more cleaner than the 1080p ver.
PS4 Pro Pro inevitable launch next year
Jin Kazama ps4 pro slim*
you can get a 55 inch 4K LG6200 for like 450 USD now. A pro costs basically the same amount.
Everyone from now on will suddenly understand what a supersampling is and praise this feature. The same mofos who previously bashed it just because it was available only on Xbox. The fanboy effect.
ivo not gonna lie I remember seeing comments that supersampling did nothing and was worthless, now the comment section is overflowing with praise for Sony, it's baffling
I still say supersampling is a waste. I would much rather have stable frame rates than a smoother image that is hard to see.
Been available for YEARS on PC. Used to force super sample Final Fantasy XI... it's not new at all. Nice that Xbox jumped on the bandwagon though. it's a nice OLD feature.
As a PC owner. Lucky me I own a PS4 Pro and now I will more options on how I want to play with Sony Exclusive Games.
Even more reason to buy a ps4 pro,not ready to upgrade my TV to 4k but do want the benefits of the pro
@DigitalFoundry
I'm glad that we're getting a super sampling issue for PS4.
Good move from sony!!!
kalkampanaros ye ye yip yip Sony done it again legends they are paving the way all the other console brands and PC’s Need to take Note.....🤔🤪
You're right! Sony are indeed walking in the footsteps of the gods (PC and Xbox).
23fps lol
FerrariKangaroo *(pc).
Xbox one x is better than ps4 pro sucks I will not even bother with you!!!
Great Video as usual DF! Looking forward to seeing some God of War videos and how this update could affect those of us playing it on a Pro at 1080p
Supersampling? Why? As if the frame rates aren't bad enough? Enabling SS will absolutely cripple the system.
Took a while but this is great for 1080p tv owners enjoy guys 😁
Supersampling won't work that well on Pro as base assets are still very low resolution
Silent Hunter ha?? What are you talking about??? Hehehe... Supersampling is for the lower resolution that downsampling from 4k.. What base assets are you talking about??? Hehehehe... If the game has temporal anti aliasing and the game is 4k and you downsampling it to much your display at 1080p the outcome is less aliasing jaggies.. To be honest I don't like sony, but i give you my unbiased opinion.... one of the best example of supersampling on ps4 pro i ever see is horizon zero dawn even digitalfoundry was surprised ,because the supersampling on horizon zero dawn running on ps4 pro has very minimal jaggies the details is so smooth, that you can't even see the aliasing anymore...
Silent Hunter if you're talking about 4k assets it is a different story, because the assets won't be applied if you're using 1080p display ... Supersampling is supersampling is all about anti aliasing and details.. I have xbox one x not all the game has 4k assets.. Some of the game on my xbox one x is normal dynamic 4k except shadow of war it has 4k assets if you using xbox one x on 4k...
you just end up looking like an idiot when you talk about things you obviously know nothing about.
what? jesus your mouth just farted nonsense bullcrap
wicked science You n00b. Supersampling won't be that effective if base assets are running at below 1080p resolution. Downsampling of above 1080p resolution will obviously improve AA lil bit but difference will be very minimal. Go try supersampling on PC running at low graphics @ above 1080p resolution and then compare those graphics with supersampling running at Ultra graphics settings at higher resolution than 1080p, result will be significant. Pro supersampling effect will be so minimal that most won't even notice.
the supersampling on uncharted 3 and 4 looks really good
Uncharted 3 doesnt have super sampling
For what? Many games on Pro not 4K.. Just 1800p, 1080p?
And sony did this after 1year later? Lol
Gamerhat maybe because they were focused on games lol something micro shit should have been doing instead of relying on their bandwagon games
Unlike Microsoft Sony never advertised it as a native 4K console, only as a machine that can look good on 4K screens this was stated before the machine was released in press conferences, now Microsoft However had been going on about how their native 4K machine will destroy the Pro and thanks to Digital Foundry we know that most games use fake 4K checkerboard rendering... yes the same technique Xbox fan boys have been slating all year since the PS4 Pro was released and I am struggling to see any game the matches the graphics of Forza MS 7 but its a racing game which is not demanding anyway even the "weak" PS4 PRO can match the "most powerful console ever" GT sport pretty much matches Forza MS 7 visuals and some would say GT Sport looks better.
Danny Lau Forza 3(Native4K30 Open World racing game) , Forza 7(native4K60)better than GrandToshit on fake 4K Console
Danny Lau where the hell have you been? The X doesn't checkerboard games nowhere as near as much as the pro. There are fewer games checkerboard rendered on the X than the pro.....as a matter of fact there are head to head comparisons where the game is checkerboard rendered on the pro but not on the X.
Secondly you are talking about graphics and resolution which aren't the same thing. You picked forza and Gt sport for a comparison and completely ignored the fact that the X has consistently beaten the pro in head to head versions of the same game. Bottom line is the X has done everything it was said it would do. And fyi yeah Sony did advertise the pro as a 4k console
Gamerhat Any resolution higher than 1080p gets downsampled. Checkerboarded or not. Dummy.
This will be great for recording/streaming gameplay! Having a 1080p capture card instead of a 4K one means you can't use 4K on the PS4 so now games can be played at higher quality than before c: I approve
I want digital foundry to disable their comment section
Just upgrade your TV to a 4K if you have one of these updated consoles.
I had my XboxOneX at least a month before I got a 4K TV and to the naked eye, the supersampling didn't really stand out my 1080p TV.
But holy tihs did the picture stand out once I got a 4K set. The difference was akin to a console generational jump.
But psn still goes down weekly
BiggsOneTouch really wow so ive been playing online on a daily basis and have yet to notice this...man i must be oblivious.
Calvan West
Wow you must be playing on ps5 or something cos psn has been going down everywhere on twitter etc people are complaining.
Its funny you say that cause I haven't had a crash or been down in about 7-8 months.. 🤔🤔 and I'm on a wack ass internet connection...
PSN hasn't been down except for a few hours a few weeks ago for maintenance and that's the 1st in the 4 years the system has been out. Try again.
That is why Ps4 has no Multiplayer games
Can you convince Sony to add these things to the quick menu? And let it save the setting on a per-game basis, so you don't have to keep toggling it?
Same for the control remapping, it should have multiple profiles and invert X/Y
Oh....look how now Super-Sampling is a big deal. The Xbox One X have that feature since months and wasn't worth mention or making a extra video??? of course.......
cos it didnt before.
super sampling is only important for peasants that's still on crappy 720p-1080p non-hdr tv's. who cares. 4k/hdr is the reason why ps4 pro and xbox one x came out.
The real peasants are the ones using tvs to begin with, even if it's 4k. 90% of games on the x is not even close to native 4k, and all sandbox titles even at 1080p, or old backwards compatibles Xbox 360 titles like GTA4 with unlocked framerate still can't hit 60fps. The irony in your comment is just too much.
Johnny Wernd Who cares about xbox anyhow? Americans only probably.
Wait wait wait:
Do games that play on 1080p on a 4K monitor will play at SuperSampled 4K resolution/SSAA??
For instance Rime, Bloodborne etc..?
If it can't do that with 1080p games like Bloodborne on a 4K tv that sucks...
So can this be enabled on a game by game basis?
G C stupidly no and to makes things worse the game has to be pro patched so no benefit for games such as gta v but ah well its a start
How could you get a game without a Pro patch with benefits? Lol you realize the res has to be more than 1080p to downsample. This supersampling on Pro is for games that don’t offer it normally, which is only a handful of Pro patched games the rest supersample by default
That's what Boost Mode is for.
boost mode has no effect on resolution...
The comment said there is no benefit to games that aren't pro patched. Full stop. None.
But there is. Just not with this, and not to resolution. He spoke in an absolute, I corrected him.
I am still playing on a PS4 standard and a 1080i wide screen Sony HDCRT. The smoothest running, best looking game I have played is Nioh. It runs at a steady 60fps. That is really the single most important attribute a game can have. 4K, SSAA, is just straining at a gnat. 1080 at 60fps looks great! But so few console games bother to pull it off. Instead choose to struggle with 4K and SSAA. Trot that horse out when the consoles can run it at 60fps.
Love my Pro, Horizon and Shadow of the colossus on crush anything on Xbox easily.
Shadow of Colossus is an old PS2 game re-released for you peasants. On ps3 and now on ps4,lol Re-hash station 4.
Keepskatin you would be surprised of how good it looks. It got remade to the ground with new tech . I mean the best looking games are on PS4.
ps4 have tons of exclusives. xbox one is a complete joke. which is why the sales numbers are terrible.
Isn't FPS more important to gameplay then resolution?
I love DF
I can't see any real difference myself, but with my own PS4 Pro I have done my own test & I think the PS4 Pro looks better just with the normal / stock settings that it comes with straight out of the box. I don't even use that other option " Boost Mode "
Do a video on what is checker board rendering and how it works
they already did when the pro came out.
Why? No developers use it anyway. It's why most PS4 Pro games are 1440p or under (less than half of what the Xbox One X can do).
@SpicyHotTech Yes. *First party* games which accounts for 3% of the total video game market. I have the collectors edition of HZD. It's very good but I'm not sure what your point is. No modern game developers are going to rewrite their entire renderers to accomodate for a single niche system. I'm right; I'm a game developer. Accept it, move on. Off topic: Watch the Noclip documentary on HZD; it's great.
FerrariKangaroo most games use it but OK.
stargateheaven23 link?
please DF show more games with SSAA especially games without ps4 pro support like bloodborne,driveclub and more.
can anyone remind me why do you have to pay for multiplayer on playstation?
Cause *reasons*
SpicyHotTech yep money the only reason either company will lift a finger
You don't pay for multiplayer.
If you mean online multiplayer, it's a PS Plus feature. You get an instant game collection and other perks.
+SpicyHotTech
If you want to look it that way, you can. PS Plus membership offers a lot of benefits, there's nothing like it on PC.
The Rick Because companies want to make that money. The only reason playing multiplayer on Pc is free is because that platform isn’t owned by a corporation. Like Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo.
Well that's cool. I never had a reason to buy a pro because I didn't have a 4k tv. I got a 2tb hard drive for the base PS4. But with this update I might just pick it up. Makes it worth it now to upgrade without the 4k tv
Digital Foundry predicted that Sony will add this as a system wide feature, because the Xbox One X has it, too and they were absolutely right. This is why healthy competition is always good. Companies constantly search for ways to improve their tech and if it takes other tech to do that, then that's completely fine. Supersampling for people on a 1080p screen is a very nice feature and we should applaud Sony for adding it.
We are really in a good timeline and I seriously can't wait to see the next gen tech and hopefully the companies don't start from the beginning, but improve based on what we already have. I'll be there on day 0 anyways. :P
Trafalgar good to see someone that understands so few of us these days.
Microsoft forced players to pay in order to play online witch the x360. Then Sony did the same with the PS4 thanks to Microsoft ^^ Fuck competition
Shazlynk TG Sony followed where the money is. Just like Nintendo will soon. These companies would have done it, even if Microsoft didn't have it in first place. If you think otherwise, you are very naive.
Like seriously, from a business perspective, why would they pass on an opportunity that makes them hundreds of million dollars?
I find it absurd that people complain about paying 40-60$ for 12 months, but the same people go on microtransactions shopping spree and buy 100's of $ worth of this crap. Like, give me a break...
You like to be ripped off don't you ?
What for are you defending big companies that just want to make money out of your pocket even if it's unethical ? And you call me "very naive" ? Unless you are a shareholder ? The fact that it is rational "from a business perspective" doesn't make it good.
And if you think "following where the money is" equals to good games or consoles I don't know how the fuck you got this much brainwashed.
"These companies would have done it" Okay so now you're Nostradamus ? Besides can you explain me how the fact that(in your opinion) they would have done it anyway make it acceptable ? I think that if Sony or Nintendo would have done it first people would have shout against it and those companies would have been forced to step back. It happened in 2013 when Microsoft revealed the DRM thing about xbone and all those other weird shit. Anyway it doesn't matter now.
Microstransactions being worse than paying online(in your opinion) don't make a difference, it it both shit and unacceptable. Really poor argument right here.
This specific case is just an example of why capitalism is bad when not regulated. Even if you got ethics, you're in competition with people who doesn't and if they make more money than you you'll have to act like them to still make profits otherwise you'll die.
Great step in the right direction Sony! Good vid DF.
Test Battlefield 4 Siege of Shanhai PS4 Pro 1080p please
You will not see a difference. BF4 was never "Pro enhanced". What the super-sampling mode does is make a "Pro enhanced" game output at 4K and then sample the 4K image down to 1080p.
but so much better framerate on pro with boostmode
Paris Campos interesting answer considering I didn't ask
DeadPhoenix86 No it was 900p on the Xbox and 1080 with the PS4
You'll see the same better framerates as before this patch.
I really thought Super sampling was automatic on 1080p users from the star. Good thing for 1080p users but I'm so happy I got my Premium 4k HDR TV.
Disappointed I bought a Pro but oh well.
mel b you could've bought the xbox one S
Why?
I am more disappointed with developers really. Many games don't get proper if any Pro support. Rime for instance that's free on PS+ only runs at 1080p.
Gravity Rush 2 doesn't run at full 4K CB.
Bloodborne has no 4K/60fps/AA modes at all..
? Opinion isn't a fact "best" for 1080p
Been telling you for months, yet you still insisted. £/$400 down the toilet!!!
You chose poorly. The best combination is Xbox One X + PS4 Slim.
Loving the console focused content
I don't want sony to leave it in my hands I wanted it to be automatic so I don't have to do anything to go in and tinker with every individual game what a bummer
progranite xl u dont turn switch on or off
country gaming they're talking about supersampling. If you know what that means you want to ask me a question like that
progranite xl u dont u hit ss on or off nothing tinker with
country gaming the PS4 Pro is a garbage system that they did not put a lot of thought into one board is just going to get left behind by Xbox One X cuz it lacks RAM and bandwidth
progranite xl lmao i see xbox fanboy so everything u say can be overlooked...ill say enjoy x cause thats last xbox ull ever get cause microsoft is done in console buisness and x is selling like hot garbage...sure it has more power to play 360 games but who wamts that trash...xbox has alwaya sucked always been last place and they will soon be a pc streaming service like it or not...so go black ops 2 or halo or wtever little bit games x has y we pro owners play best games u can buy..dont belive it look at sonys software sells for quarter hahhahahahaha hate all u want but only true moron tries put down the absolute king in console space...more power is not what xbox needed same lame shit as one just prettier...like yourself its quite pathetic smh...you can reply witj whatever but i know and u know deep down your followimg a dead ass brand that will soon be gone if your to ignorant to see it oh well hahhahah...ill let u know how yakuza 6 nino kuni 2 god of war days gone last of us 2 dq11 etc etc etc is..no need let me know how great nomans sea is i found that out harshly myself
6:31 the post processing in mgs v is nuts, it is very demanding and adds a very thick motion blur effect along with a very strong anti aliasing. On pc I want to turn off the post processing (cos it looks awful) but it turns off motion blur which makes the game look quite choppy even at 60fps, you need to go beyond 60fps to make it look smooth and you'd need a higher refreshrate monitor to see that difference.
They should have just waited for Playstation 5.
Wait another two yearsfor PS5? Nope..... you have to keep up with current events in the gaming / technology world or you will be left behind.
Nigel
Would rather wait for the ps5 than buy a ps Pro and be left behind
Some people seem to forget that the Pro has been out now for 16 months and costs $100 less than the X.
Nigel The pro was behind the exact day it came out lol
What will you say when the PS5 Pro happens?
People should be happy for competition. If you get rid of one platform why would the other platform have to improve. It's because of the competition is the reason why they improve their platforms.
Another update which delivers features that have been possible on a PC since decades ^^
PC parts are prohibitive cost-wise, and consoles have all PC features now. So there's no reason to get PC anymore. PC dies in 2018.
Faiyez It has all Pc features, where? Free online, mods, customization, upgradable hardware, multitasking, 60fps and higher, resolutions over 4K. Show me a console wich has any of these.
3840 2160
Console does all of those things now. Each and every one of them, so do your research buddy.
Consoles have hardware upgrades in the same gen now. So instead of buying a $400 GPU, you buy a $400 console.
Rainbow Six Seige has unlocked framerate, goes over 60 on console.
And lmao @ "resolutions over 4K". Show me a commercial display that is over 4K, you wankface.
Faiyez
Please go somewhere else to be stupid.
+Patrick Schwind
Huh? Go where? This is a video about consoles, remember? You came to trash. Maybe you should be somewhere else?
nice i hope they add more stuff for the 1080p tv users
See!!!! Super sampling, the best console has it! Not ONE X! Haha, oh wait...... :(
HAHA! Soup best console? HAHAHA..... nice meme
When you guys get a 4k tv with HDR you'll ask yourself why didn't you buy one earlier. Total game changer for PS4 games
PS4 Pro was a massive cash grab / mistake. Sony just wanted to dazzle their fanbase with buzz words and cash in on the PS4's hype.
iTz-SiNZ-v2 ok
They sold the ps4 PRO as a 4k machine. It's actually a psvr machine.
iTz-SiNZ-v2 nahh..its cheap to me..
You mean kind of like MS’s “True 4K”? How’s that “best resolutions, best framerates, no compromises” treating you? lol
have you seen horizon zero dawn in 4K/HDR?
There is definitely a noticeable difference absolutely on 1080 I got a PS4 pro because I couldn't find any $5 in stock that weren't $600 or above anyway still got to use PS4 pro for 450 still kind of pricey for being 4 years old luckily it was the latest generation of it but point being is there's definitely a noticeable difference after using a base PS4 pro for years
Meanwhile PC users have been able to do this for years.
+Russia Good
That what is DSR in the Nvidia panel doing?
Russia Good
Er yes you can.
Ummmmm, it's been there for years. Have you been looking in the right place? Multi-sampling, Adaptive Multi-sampling, Super Sampling etc, you've never seen this? lol
Yeah playing on PC does "feel" good. Been playing with all the sampling choices I want in 4K@60+ for 2+ years now and ummm...............I'm not going back :)
Russia Good, you're wrong.
Both AMD and Nvidia GPUs let you downsample from higher resolutions to 1080p or whatever you want to do.
With an AMD card, you simply choose the resolution you want from the in-game menus. The game thinks you have a higher resolution display, but it's actually being down sampled to your real display. It's built into AMD cards.
Nvdia has something similar.
It makes sense to have 4K or greater on the PC because of productivity and multitasking but what's the point for consoles besides marketing?