Where's Nettles? Cast or cut? Why is she like Dany? - House of the Dragon - A Song of Ice and Fire

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  • Rumors that Nettles has been cut from House of the Dragon are flying, so let me give you the scoop, and more importantly, tell you why Nettles is so important to the story. Like Dany, she is rediscovering original Valyrian magic, and her character's commentary on class and prejudice in Westeros is unique and fascinating.
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  • @jessjess23brooks89
    @jessjess23brooks89 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +430

    If Ryan cuts Nettles, I will make memes comparing him to DnD and I will not feel bad about it.

    • @ThommyofThenn
      @ThommyofThenn 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +48

      The way the last few seasons went was the peak of "not a good look" and you might think their successor would do whatever they could to avoid comparisons between then being drawn.

    • @colbyadamski8139
      @colbyadamski8139 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      Maybe wait until the part where she actually might show up is released maybe?

    • @jessjess23brooks89
      @jessjess23brooks89 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +29

      @@colbyadamski8139 Oh I will definitely wait until next season. It doesn't seem like the first battle she takes part in happens this season. I just find it an odd choice to not introduce her with the other dragon seeds.

    • @colbyadamski8139
      @colbyadamski8139 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@jessjess23brooks89 It’s just a lot of aggressive language for literally no reason?

    • @jessjess23brooks89
      @jessjess23brooks89 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

      @@colbyadamski8139 ?? Sorry if I offended you. It's meant far more lighthearted than you are taking it.

  • @ScholaroftheCitadel
    @ScholaroftheCitadel 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +194

    I think removing nettles is a huge mistake. She is a great example of how the stereotypical targeryians aren't the only ones with the potential for dragon riding. I think her being the daughter of a dragonseed or something would be amazing.

    • @Michael-bn1oi
      @Michael-bn1oi 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      The targs are right though.
      If she is the child of a dragonseed then that also proves the targs right.
      Need targ blood

    • @JR47846
      @JR47846 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      you already have the velaryon for that

    • @schnozchan6606
      @schnozchan6606 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      @@JR47846 no you don't, all the velaryon's who are dragon riders have targ blood

    • @bh3855
      @bh3855 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@schnozchan6606 We don't know if Adam Velaryon has any Targaryen in him in the show.

    • @mtlacunae8659
      @mtlacunae8659 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Do you think Nettles is the daughter or descendent of a dragon seed? @@Michael-bn1oi

  • @GreyWasteTim
    @GreyWasteTim 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +131

    One of the insults hurled at Rhaenyra is that she is "Maegor with teats." The White Worm whispering in her ear that Daemon is unfaithful then mirrors Tyanna of the Tower (another foreign-born paramour) doing the same with Maegor. Jealousy seems to be one of the motivating factors for both Mysaria and Tyanna to whisper these rumors. We lose out on all that pettiness, spite, jealousy and backstabbery if they cut Nettles and replace her with Daemon's own daughter. Then it just becomes dragon roadtrip with Dad.

    • @ThommyofThenn
      @ThommyofThenn 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

      Yes Tim I agree with that entirely. The way her and Daemon's marriage begins to splinter is crucial to the tone and ending of the story. Remove her, and you have to shoehorn in some alternate ending, and we know how *that* can go, to our sorrow.

    • @Tgsva352
      @Tgsva352 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      They dont want rhaenyra to look this bad.

    • @joshuaadams6565
      @joshuaadams6565 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      But other accounts say Rhaenyra lost her lavish after Visenyas birth. She granted Daemon permission to sleep with Mysaria and other women. But all of a sudden that’s undo when he sleeps with nettles?
      It all depends on whose account you listen to. Did daemon sleep with nettles or was she like a daughter to him? The plot still works as Rhaenyra puts a bounty on Addam Velaryon. She goes mad. Daemon still dies with Aemond.

    • @cherylbaxter8986
      @cherylbaxter8986 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      😂 dragon road trip with daddy good one Tim

    • @GreyWasteTim
      @GreyWasteTim 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

      @@joshuaadams6565 It's to show Rhaenyra's hypocrisy. As Dave pointed out in the video, Rhaenyra states how "obvious" it is that a bastard girl like her couldn't be a true dragon rider, even though her own sons are bastards who lack "traditional" Valyrian features, yet still ride dragons. Like others have been saying, removing Nettles and the baggage associated with her relationship with Daemon (whether romantic or platonic) downplays Rhaenyra's more vile traits. The writers shouldn't be afraid to frame her in a bad light the way they are with Aegon II and Daemon. Equal rights AND equal lefts or however you wanna phrase it. Girl Bosses AND Girl Trainwrecks.
      It also seems incredibly disrespectful to swap out one POC character's story with another, as if they are interchangeable, while also casting the other Dragon Seeds, AND minor of minor characters like Silver Denys, AND two separate actors for Sers Erryk and Arryk, AND creating whole cloth new characters like Cooper Penny, Larys Strong's Fireflies and the Madam at the brothel that Aemond sees.

  • @status_quo_post
    @status_quo_post 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +129

    If Nettles gets cut I will be quite sad but if Daeron is cut, I'll be fuming mad.

    • @bloodravenn8305
      @bloodravenn8305 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      Daeron won't be cut he is confirmed by the showrunners and George, Nettles tho...

    • @davimathias6721
      @davimathias6721 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

      ​@@bloodravenn8305 and Olivia talked about him recently, she said something like "and i also have another son apparently, called Daeron, he doesn't appear it, but he is mentioned"

    • @user-df8lp9zq8s
      @user-df8lp9zq8s 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Daeron is confirmed to be in the show

    • @queenxx1690
      @queenxx1690 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Nettles may be cut too much bad things Rhanyra did to her and they do not want to make Rhaenyra big villain

    • @Spoogebro
      @Spoogebro 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      I feel the opposite. Daeron is the one character you probably can cut without effecting the story too much. Nettles on the other hand is central to the conflict between daemon and rhaenyra.

  • @thedornishmanswife3712
    @thedornishmanswife3712 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

    I don't want to believe it but Laenas line "there is more than one way to claim a dragon" to raena in s1e5 or 6 sends like it might come back around and definitely gave me sheepsteeler vibes the first time I heard it

    • @lc4822
      @lc4822 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That's a great point. I remember thinking that line was odd and out of place considering Rhaena's book fate

  • @monie3558
    @monie3558 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +91

    Rhaena and Nettles have way different personalities

    • @mochalotte4702
      @mochalotte4702 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

      Like they care. All they see is their skin color, so they think they can just swap one out for the other.
      The thing that sucks is that nettles is a canonically POC character while Rhaena is canonically white and pure Valyrian looking, they just decided to race swap a character and then remove the only actual black character which is offensive.
      I suspect there’s some motivation to this as well to not make daemon or Rhaenyra look bad. Also because nettles undermines Targaryen supremacy propaganda by having no dragon blood and yet being able to tame and ride a dragon. The show panders to Targaryen supremacists and lovers, it’s just fanservice for folks that loved Dany and the dragons.

    • @bellabunnell3174
      @bellabunnell3174 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@mochalotte4702 getting all bent out of shape over something that hasn't even happened.

    • @TheHellyeahmen
      @TheHellyeahmen 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@mochalotte4702 they don't see color. If they did Rhaena wouldn't even be black

  • @Spoogebro
    @Spoogebro 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +36

    Them cutting the one character from lore that is actually black, rides a dragon and outlives most of the Targaryens of her time is almost comical.

  • @AmethystEyes
    @AmethystEyes 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +32

    This reminds me of Dorne and Arrianne all over again. Waiting for her casting and it never comes.

    • @rahimg6842
      @rahimg6842 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Who is she??

    • @Ghilannugs
      @Ghilannugs 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@rahimg6842An icon

  • @ThommyofThenn
    @ThommyofThenn 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +98

    I dont see how you can understand the full story of FAB and not have her. I totally agree she is a crucial person and is also a BIG part of several main character's storylines. I'll keep this spoiler free but suffice to say, not having her is like leaving JonCon or someone out. I guess they could roll her into a generic "dragonseed" character but why would they let themselves down like that. She's too good a character

  • @kyla.s5838
    @kyla.s5838 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +35

    There's talk that she's been cut completely, and that Rhaena will claim Sheepstealer after following the dragon across the Vale.

    • @misti-step
      @misti-step 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

      im just wondering.. why is there a random dragon in the vale? it makes sense if sheepstealer is hanging out on dragonstone, but why the vale?

    • @Leaf-tf5oo
      @Leaf-tf5oo 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      @@misti-stephes a wild dragon. Free to fly anywhere

    • @agrimmeon9308
      @agrimmeon9308 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      ​@@misti-step Sheepstealer is directly stated to hunt near the Wendwater in the books, a river in the Stormlands near Kingslanding. The outermost area of the Vale, near the Eyrie, are equidistant from Dragonstone as the Wendwater is, if not closer. They could've easy changed his hunting grounds to that area for the story to work. Dragonstone isnt described as abundant in resources, dragons need to eat. And with all the talk of Vale sheep in S1, why not?

    • @jesseandersen4055
      @jesseandersen4055 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Yeah I think it's true, too. Think about the foreshadowing of Laena telling her she'll need to claim a dragon if she wants to be a dragon rider. Of all people, I wish they had picked someone else because not only does this take away from nettles and her story, but it takes away from Rhaenas story. In tbe books, she is able to hatch morning, and as we've learned, very few people have this ability, and on top of that, she and Mourning survive this war. Combining the two takes away from both of their stories.

  • @girlnettles
    @girlnettles 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    1:55 🙌🏾 thanks for the shout-out 🙌🏾 🐉

  • @MADKIDD623BHN
    @MADKIDD623BHN 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +51

    If they cut Nettles ..... it's just like D&D going forward....

  • @MorsCodefood
    @MorsCodefood 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +50

    I found her! She did a video 2 weeks ago with some guy named David

    • @ThommyofThenn
      @ThommyofThenn 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Verygoodcarving.mp4

    • @samf.s.7731
      @samf.s.7731 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Who's this David you speak of? 🤭

    • @cherylbaxter8986
      @cherylbaxter8986 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Are you talking about Gray Area video

    • @cherylbaxter8986
      @cherylbaxter8986 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@samf.s.7731😅😅

    • @rexibhazoboa7097
      @rexibhazoboa7097 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      who are you talking about?

  • @diegobromfield
    @diegobromfield 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    As someone who is a writer, it must be frustrating to see any character get cut in any adaptation. But cutting an actual legit important character is a whole other level of terrible. D & D did it in GoT & it screwed up the whole Dorne plot the last few seasons. & Messed up some of Bran & Dany's arcs. Doing it in HotD would be even worse.

  • @zipblockarchives900
    @zipblockarchives900 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +88

    Cutting out Nettles and giving her story to Rhaena would be stupid. I hope the rumor is false.

    • @xqzqcv7950
      @xqzqcv7950 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      Sadly...
      Everything points to it being true, by all appearances..
      Its really quite the nonsensical decision, nothing is gained by it and quite a few things are harmed

  • @ajahrowell333
    @ajahrowell333 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    I hope they keep her in. She literally my favorite. Im hoping they just use season 2 as an introduction to her to get to be a possible favorite for the audience and gaining sheep stealer trust throught season two until the last episode maybe.

  • @aminaa5824
    @aminaa5824 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +33

    Ummmm don’t be silly she was obviously in your stream last month, don’t pretend you don’t know where she is :)

  • @Liizardqueen90
    @Liizardqueen90 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +58

    I need nettles. I'll be devastated if she is cut.

    • @ThommyofThenn
      @ThommyofThenn 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      And they've included even finer, more obscure details in the show so it would be more bizarre than anything to cut her

  • @lisajoseph796
    @lisajoseph796 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +15

    Jaehaerys had a rebellious daughter named Saerah, who was kinda promiscuous. Who went to Essos, had many children from many men. They would be dragon seeds as well.

    • @cherylbaxter8986
      @cherylbaxter8986 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Apparently some of them came forth at the great council

  • @epic_andra
    @epic_andra 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    David, you are one of a kind. I follow a pretty large lot of GOT youtubers, but your passion and understanding of the ASOIAF universe is unparalleled. I absolutely love your takes, your way of talking is so enjoyable to listen to, not to mention your awesome approach to ads, as well as the symbolism filled lives that are sooo entertaining! Keep doing whatever you are doing, your channel is pure gold for us ASOIAF simps ❤

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      aww thanks I really appreciate it ❤️

  • @AntoineVello
    @AntoineVello 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    I'll keep it 100.
    Anyone who wants to argue with me that Nettles is atop an 80 year old Dragon (Think around the size of Caraxes) as it is going tens of miles per hour, as the wind is whipping by her mouth and she's just screaming "LEFT, LEFT, DRAGONFIRE!" mid battle, you are welcome to do so. I will also remind you that they bolt the saddles onto the dragon's backs. You can see this on Syrax. If this hurt, minimum 20 guys would have died each time they made a saddle for Caraxes, there is no way Nettles is whipping an 80 year old dragon and it realistically hurts enough for the dragon to take notice.
    I think a much simpler response is that she formed a dragon bond with Sheepstealer and telepathically gives the dragon orders like most Targaryens do.

    • @DanyelAzamor-lh7yg
      @DanyelAzamor-lh7yg 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      or she knows some sorcery, but thats just rhaenyra being paranoid

  • @KaritKtana
    @KaritKtana 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Maesters be like: "the neighborhood is getting too.. _Diverse_ if you know what we're saying."

  • @nicki7919
    @nicki7919 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    What a sweet Saturday treat!

  • @arthurr.r.lucasspublicdoma5621
    @arthurr.r.lucasspublicdoma5621 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    33:39 There's some validity to this. The leaker, one of the people that runs the Wake the Dragon account, mentioned that she first got this information about a year ago and had sat on it because she wasn't sure it was true. Add in the fact that before Season 1 aired, it wasn't clear whether the show was going to be a success and that they initially gave a conservative estimate of about 3 seasons. So it's possible this may have been an early idea considered just in case the show wasn't given the chance to tell the story of the Dance in full. Of course, we'll just have to wait and see.

  • @JennyOfOldeStonze
    @JennyOfOldeStonze 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Yeah.. Reina's mother on the other hand... I could have seen that badass slitting a sheep's throat when she went looking for Nanna Vhegar!!! At least the show version of her.

  • @JennyOfOldeStonze
    @JennyOfOldeStonze 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Robert Baratheon ONLY got on the throne because he was part Targaryen. He was all killing Targs and he was part Targaryen himself the whole time. As were "his kids" (not). "He had the better claim" Ned says that in GOT.

  • @GiordanoBruno42
    @GiordanoBruno42 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    I'm so hyped for June HotD AND Elden Ring.
    What a month for Martin fans

    • @shiningstars81276
      @shiningstars81276 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      elden ring is more so a fromsoft thing with GRRM involvement being the tid bits of lore. people seem to be forgetting miyazaki made all these tropes in the ds games. i love GRRM as much as the next guy but asoiaf fans give him too much credit for elden ring…. 😂 i do love that yall propelled fromsoft into the mainstream. just dont forget where the foundation came from….

  • @JsHolgersson
    @JsHolgersson 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Ah thank you for the sweet little treat My good Ser David! 🤘🐺🔥

  • @KarotKake
    @KarotKake 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    22:07 had me singing. Stop me, oh, stop me / Stop me if you think that you've heard this one before

  • @Deking24
    @Deking24 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Yeah it would literally make no sense for them to go nettles storyline to Rhena . Now them cutting the entire thing vs giving away the storyline would make more sense .

  • @cheyennem9218
    @cheyennem9218 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Great video and refresher on the role Nettles plays in the Dance. I'm bummed, though I do trust the writers to navigate this in a way that serves the story they're telling. My guess is that something had to give for efficiency's sake, rather than this being a malicious writing choice. Half a year ago, I was saying I hoped season 2 gave us more of Daemon and his daughters establishing an on-screen relationship, interacting more, and making up for some of the cut scenes in season 1 before his screen time shifted to bonding with Nettles, and I have a feeling the writers saw that narrative need/responsibility to serve Baela and Rhaena's relationship with Daemon (and serve those actors). Their solution, rightly or wrongly, might be this whole Nettles situation. That said, I really hope we get other dragonseeds and key characters to show the commoner POV if we've really lost Nettles, and I hope a good amount of Nettles shines through Rhaena without losing some of the things that made Rhaena (and Morning) such a ray of light at the end of the Dance.

  • @ThommyofThenn
    @ThommyofThenn 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    21:30 The effects of using a dragon in battle for the rider aren't usually mentioned in the books I don't think. It's one thing to slay an enemy with spear or lance, but burning them is an unique horror. I don't think Daemon had any problem with it but Nettles probably had not been in combat before the Dance. After seeing people burn alive due to her dragon, it makes so much sense she would be mortified by it. Yea you have to feel the worst for the random smallfolk getting incinerated but I also feel for Nettles in this case

  • @tiabeaniesemotionalsupportdmon
    @tiabeaniesemotionalsupportdmon 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +42

    Dammit… I was seriously hoping that when daddy Daemon sang that sweet Valyrian lullaby to Vermithor, it would be so that his baby girl Rhaena would end up being able to claim The Bronze Fury.😕

    • @ThommyofThenn
      @ThommyofThenn 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      I love this comment

    • @lucasbelmonte2832
      @lucasbelmonte2832 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Are you serious? Vermithor is claimed by Hugh hammer.

    • @ThommyofThenn
      @ThommyofThenn 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@lucasbelmonte2832 Pretty sure it's all in good fun :)

    • @lucasbelmonte2832
      @lucasbelmonte2832 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @@ThommyofThenn Thank god, the rumours of Rhaena taking over nettles plot was worrying enough

    • @jesseandersen4055
      @jesseandersen4055 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      But can we talk about that shot of Rhaenyra and Vermithor? So badass, Vermithor has such a unique and badass grandaddy dragon vibe.
      Honestly I would have preferred they cut that traitorous twat over Nettles.

  • @mariannesagard8823
    @mariannesagard8823 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Thank you , David Lightbringer ,for making this stream🙏 A character which I also find very very interesting and so important for both This story ,and furthermore too..🔥So this will really be a loss if they cut Nettles...I really hope that she will eventually turn up ..

  • @MsolL
    @MsolL 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    I am most likely wrong, but here is what I think could happen:
    Rhaena will try to tame Sheepstealer but will almost get killed, and Daemon will see her as weak or lose respect for her. This way, their relationship will be broken in a way.
    Afterward, we will be slowly introduced to Nettles, bringing sheep to sheepstealer
    I think they will give some nuances to the relationship she has with Daemon. She probably she sees him as a father figure, but he sees her "romantically"
    (Please feel free to correct me as english is not my first language)

    • @jesseandersen4055
      @jesseandersen4055 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I would prefer this, but I do believe they set up Rhaena to claim a dragon in season one. I think that was the whole point of that scene with Laena finding Rhaena with her egg that never hatched. Which makes me think that they had already decided to cut Nettles way back in the development of season one. They could have just had her claim Grey Ghost instead and we could have kept Nettles… I don’t know why they had to take out one of the best characters.

  • @ACPritchard
    @ACPritchard 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Im still holding out for child of the forest Nettles, as youve pointed out the possibility of in the past.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I personally don't think that theory is right but it is certainly an interesting idea

  • @johnmontag
    @johnmontag 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    The reason that these powers that will be change an amazing story for no reason, just spellbinds me

  • @JuicyLiss
    @JuicyLiss 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Subscribed for a while now, and really enjoy your content! Your personality makes ASOIAF funny while still informative. Have a wonderful day

  • @DreyM3
    @DreyM3 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

    Justice for our queens!!! Rhaena & Nettles are perfect as they are!!

  • @jsan3743
    @jsan3743 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Awesome vid as always David! Thank you! ❤

  • @fabiolaliano8620
    @fabiolaliano8620 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    I feel like the nettles characterization has been split between rhaena and alyn, since from what we’ve seen alyn doesn’t have any of the traditional targ features in the show yet seasmoke is following him around

    • @annarya6294
      @annarya6294 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Sadly, I think you're right about that. Daemon is going to make Alyn his loveinterest then... still got my fingers crossed for cliffhanger-nettles in season 3

    • @fabiolaliano8620
      @fabiolaliano8620 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      addam*

    • @annarya6294
      @annarya6294 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah addam of course 😅

    • @blackgirlcouchreviews
      @blackgirlcouchreviews 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@annarya6294 Isn’t Alyn with Aemond?

  • @Challenger_117
    @Challenger_117 17 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I do understand why Rhaenyra would want to kill Nettles, after losing her son and then losing her husband must be very hard. Plus some dragon seeds betrayed her, so sleeping with her husband its another betrayal.

  • @Haizenmaier
    @Haizenmaier 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Valyrians being shepherds and binding dragons by spells is an amazing theory. That would explain Nettles.

  • @jancecharlesaustin3733
    @jancecharlesaustin3733 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Produced content baby!! Love it, dood.

  • @jamesgjbrown
    @jamesgjbrown 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I actually feel like nettles is the example that you can team up with a dragon without magic bond. Similarly you “could” befriend a wild wolf without being a stark/skin changer, most wolves and people it wouldn’t be possible but it is technically possible irl. Dragons are infinitely more dangerous than wolves. So failed attempt is death. I believe this is precursor to dragon riders would have needed to do prior to blood magic bond that valyrions and/or empire of the dawn have breed into them.

  • @doomrot
    @doomrot 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    There's no way Rhaenrya would turn on Rhaena like the other DragonSeeds, order her death, and cause her to flee. Rhaena is family, not Dragonseed. Rhaena can't take Nettle's place because it'd cause huge plot holes.

  • @molleh3180
    @molleh3180 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    In addition to the great points you make, I also want to see the cute tiny pink dragon

  • @zvrdoz4988
    @zvrdoz4988 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    She’s just one of those minor characters that makes you wonder. George loves to cast doubt with his loose ends

  • @VictoriaTraducciones
    @VictoriaTraducciones 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    They're combining characters just like DnD did, they are giving her dragon and some of her story probably to Rhaena because they can't have one of Daemon's girls doing "nothing" in the Vale while Baela is getting into dragon action, also modern audiences seem to hate none warrior women, it's also why Rhaenyra is getting some action aswell, can't have a woman sitting in her castle doing neddlework or something boring like that, she has to be a girlboss

  • @miguelgassotimoneda6583
    @miguelgassotimoneda6583 13 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    i loved this video, i will subscribe for sure

  • @iggybarmont8639
    @iggybarmont8639 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Hi david, I am a new sub discovering all your crazy theories, and getting to the conclusion that you are actually crazy. But i love those theories and lore videos, pure cinema. question, which of your theories you think is less probable that appears in winters? i think i know the most probable😁 love the bass, great poster of primus, excuse my english, salutations from barcelona

  • @thenickfoxx
    @thenickfoxx 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    I love how everyone is already freaking out over some speculation lol

    • @Dredaybay
      @Dredaybay 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      It’s speculation but weird no one has been cast

    • @akshitarai1380
      @akshitarai1380 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      We all have PTSD from the doom of game of thrones series

    • @thenickfoxx
      @thenickfoxx 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Dredaybay it could be possible that like Daeron, Nettles could be appearing in season 3. They could just push back the newer characters after a few present day characters die, thus opening up more deserved screen time for a character like Nettles and Daeron

  • @hinakhodiyara7883
    @hinakhodiyara7883 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Nettles is awesome, as are you. Great video David.

  • @LordJakobofHouseBabrick
    @LordJakobofHouseBabrick 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

    She would be a pretty large part of the story to cut. They may just wait until season 3. She needs time to feed those sheep to Sheep Stealer and gain the trust.

    • @jesseandersen4055
      @jesseandersen4055 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      That's what I thought, too. I'll hold out hope but I'm like 90% sure they've given her whole story to Rhaena. That rumor started so early and now there are rumors of her claiming sheelstealer, too. And that shot of her in the trailer makes me think she's about to do it.

  • @noirjente5049
    @noirjente5049 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    You are simply one of the best in the business when it comes to this. Please contact the folks at "Watch Dem Thrones" if you get a chance. I hope they have you on their stream because I know of folks there who also follow you.

  • @jackson857
    @jackson857 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    There is just no way they would cut her. People need to, as the British would say, keep calm and carry on.

  • @Haizenmaier
    @Haizenmaier 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great video

  • @BloodravenRivers
    @BloodravenRivers 21 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    i know thats not how daemon truly felt but that is basically the gist in fire and blood like the entire dance was a self inflicted type of thing, i mean in honesty they shouldve just wed raenera to aegon n been done with it and made aemond one eye her kingsguard

  • @mat992
    @mat992 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Great video!! Thanks for reminding me of how damn cool and important she is. Must not be cut!

  • @SteveOnTheEastCoast
    @SteveOnTheEastCoast 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    TEMPLE OF THE sheep.

  • @GlueGunsRoses
    @GlueGunsRoses 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I haven't read the book, but I'm curious if the bastards had to prove Velaryon relationship and did anyone get pissed about their surprise stepkids/ half siblings?
    Since watching HOTD, I wondered why the trainers in the dragon pits can get close to the dragons as regular people, but no one else can?

    • @gleann_cuilinn
      @gleann_cuilinn 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Those dragon trainers really were one of the most interesting and well done parts of the show. My theory is that they are descended from a line of dragon trainers who came over from Valyria with Aenar and his family. Or perhaps they came over from Volantis or Lys more recently.

  • @just_a_lil_guy
    @just_a_lil_guy 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Hey David, I actually do know for sure that at some point they were casting nettles. I know someone who got very close to landing the role (but did not). Not sure how the actual season will end up, but they were definitely planning it at some point

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  27 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      oh okay that's super interesting. I wonder if there was a change. I do think it makes sense to delay her to season 3 I just don't know what this new rumor is about with sheep stealer

  • @danielleeskelton
    @danielleeskelton 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I don't think she is in season 2, but hopefully she will appear in Season 3 onwards.

  • @JeremyIceAndFire33
    @JeremyIceAndFire33 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Phenomenal analysis on why Nettles is so important! This is exactly the butterfly effect GRRM warns ppl about. 🔥

  • @jaquanbeverly3948
    @jaquanbeverly3948 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    With GRRM begin apart of the show, I don’t think he’ll let Nettles be cut from the show

  • @cbrownjc7633
    @cbrownjc7633 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    As I've said on Twitter, (because yes I still call it that), I will wait to see if this really happens before I truly rant about it. But I can't help but already have a bad feeling . . . 😐

  • @brittneyhamilton8784
    @brittneyhamilton8784 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Also worth note a nettle is a kind of leaf. In GOT we have a character named leaf . It makes me wonder if there is more to it

    • @QuietWolfGaming
      @QuietWolfGaming 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Leaf is a Child of the Forest, nothing to do with Nettles, Nettles is human and a dragonseed, meaning she was fathered by a male Targaryen and a female commoner.

  • @Smackamack
    @Smackamack 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Am i missing something re: Alyn Velaryon? AFAIK, Alyn tried to dragon-up, but it was his brother Adam who became a rider, while Alyn would later become Oakenfist. Or maybe Laenor is glamoring😂

  • @lolsous
    @lolsous 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    I'm really nervous for season 2 now with this rumour and the shortened season, I hope Nettles isn't a character they were forced to cut

  • @mobydickii8407
    @mobydickii8407 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    @ 12:34 oh, the tapestries that Alicent wanted to show Daemon!

  • @dylantate1187
    @dylantate1187 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    lol great intro too the video with the hunger strike parody

  • @grapes9h5
    @grapes9h5 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I’m stunned I hadn’t heard they were cutting this (possibly, likely?)

  • @soxpeewee
    @soxpeewee 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Based on previous writers, I'm inclined to say they fcked it up again

  • @tommauro3052
    @tommauro3052 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Temple of the dog and Nettles lore. You are a gem!!

  • @ValyrianPrince
    @ValyrianPrince 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Fear Sara Hess

    • @LauraGS564
      @LauraGS564 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Baseless hating on a writer for no reason.

    • @BudravenOG
      @BudravenOG 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      She's a hack. She wrote out Alicents agency and wrote the dragon flies through the floor scene.

  • @manofhealing
    @manofhealing 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I think it'd be more interesting if instead of the plot twist being that "yes she used sheep to tame sheepstealer, BUT she's still Valyrian in some way and you just couldn't tell because of her looks", a better twist would be that she truly isn't Valyrian, and what people wrote about her using sheep is only half way true, and rather, just how someone thousands of years ago would have stumbled by intentional accident perhaps on the ritual that bonds dragons to certain bloodlines, Nettles also happened to stumble upon the same ritual, and this is why it was shown to us with Daemon that a ritual even exists at all. After all, someone had to do it for the first time sometime, and nothing tells us that it can't happen again? It's just that there hasn't been a need to because the Targaryens are already bonded.

  • @mrowr4097
    @mrowr4097 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    My prediction is nettles is actually daemons daughter, and his treatment of her as a daughter is percieved in a warped way by the maesters

  • @lauraestrada7279
    @lauraestrada7279 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    NEVER thought I'd laugh so hard at A Temple of the Dog diddy!! 😆 🤣 😂

  • @KaritKtana
    @KaritKtana 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Dave, I'm afraid that Nettles will _technically_ be in the show, in the same way that Mushroom is in the show.
    So it could be that the girl in the pic IS called Nettles, but that's where it ends :(((

  • @lazarsimijonovic3786
    @lazarsimijonovic3786 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    How would they even write the story without nettles? Just makes zero sense lol

    • @Leaf-tf5oo
      @Leaf-tf5oo 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Have rhaenyra go crazy

    • @libuelu5338
      @libuelu5338 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      ⁠@@Leaf-tf5ooyeah but nettles is part of how rhaenyra became insane.

  • @darwonka
    @darwonka 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    I want you to explain how Nettles is an Azor Ahai. I think you can do it.

    • @ThommyofThenn
      @ThommyofThenn 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      By the power of Lightbringer, all things can be done

  • @DragonSeedOfDaemon
    @DragonSeedOfDaemon 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I've been going by DragonSeed ever since the book Fire and Blood, because I am fascinated with Nettles.

  • @Zveebo
    @Zveebo 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Pretty sure she’s just being held back for season 3. They need to pace things with four seasons, and also they really don’t want to be introducing too many new characters in a single season. Makes sense to introduce the other Dragonseeds first, and then Nettles later, as that’s consistent with the timing in the book.

  • @cat_alyst6306
    @cat_alyst6306 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I like the theory that Nettles may be a descendent from the children of the forest. And she maybe had some kind of old god magic to help her bind with Sheep Stealer.i really hope the don’t cut her. She has such a vital role in this story!!

  • @jodieroundtree488
    @jodieroundtree488 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Nice mutton slow jam, David 😊

  • @KevinHwoarang
    @KevinHwoarang 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Nettle Nan Leaf. There´s no chance it's not true, regardless of the show.

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I don't like that theory at all myself

  • @prey556
    @prey556 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    If Nettles is in fact cut I’m more disappointed that my personal head cannon isn’t confirmed like all us ASOIAF fans. I just need a scene in the show where it’s Nettles and Daemon being a wholesome father daughter relationship.

  • @queenxx1690
    @queenxx1690 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Addam and Alyn will have black hair apparently not silver i wonder why

    • @EarnestTargenfyre
      @EarnestTargenfyre 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      These are just unnecessary changes and i don't know why these changes are made.

    • @queenxx1690
      @queenxx1690 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@EarnestTargenfyre they no longer b9ther to even put silver wigs or cast 16 years old actors playing them look 30 almost like Corlys himself there were suppose to teens

    • @EarnestTargenfyre
      @EarnestTargenfyre 20 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@queenxx1690 I was shocked when i saw Addam and Alyn. At least Addam looks decent but lmao they made Alyn look like a 35 year old random sailor lol!
      Excluding the fact that they have pale skin and silver fu*king hair!

  • @yugrise1286
    @yugrise1286 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I still hope that rhaena will ride greyghost not sheepstealer. 😢

  • @briennesfatsister4788
    @briennesfatsister4788 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    If they cut Nettles it would have a horrible butterfly effect on the whole story. I don't think the SR will do that. The only big mistake he made during last season was the change with Laenor Velaryon which has had ripple effects. Nettles is too important. I think she will observe a bunch of folks getting roasted by sheep stealer in S2 and decide to use a better strategy and come in clutch in S3.

  • @pookie32
    @pookie32 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Love the Adidas jacket!🥰🥰🥰

  • @joaopedroferrazferna
    @joaopedroferrazferna 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    What if they gave some of nettles story to Addam of Hull? They gave him "non valyrian lookings" in the trailers even though he is supposed to have the silver hair

    • @DavidLightbringer
      @DavidLightbringer  27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      yeah, I almost brought that idea up but the video was too long already

    • @joaopedroferrazferna
      @joaopedroferrazferna 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@DavidLightbringer oh, ok, that makes sense hahaha

  • @jerome9895
    @jerome9895 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Your hair are growing so fast, it's crazy 😂

  • @Henbot
    @Henbot 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Technically you could have a rumour being spread that Damon is with one of his daughters and she and him relations are decaying so she actually believes the rumour and she rolls back to how he behaved when she was younger and that makes her think it possible thus still execute the point of no return and it isn’t true so ruins the relationship and critique of his grooming of her. Then if you have it that she asks to kill one of Damon daughters then it also a big no no for allies and betrayal and side changing will occur.
    You will miss the class element but the class critique could be done separately

  • @OniDasAlagoas
    @OniDasAlagoas 26 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Rhaena is not going to claim sheepstealer. She will try, but won't manage to, while nettles will do it and this will build up Rhaena's resentment even more. Also, not having a dragon is part of Rhaena's character.

  • @leiana_yt
    @leiana_yt 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I would absolutely have an issue with them giving Nettles' role to Rhaena. If I remember some of GrayArea's Nettles tin-foil theory correctly, I AGREE with it & I hope it's (mostly) true...
    That Nettles is actually one of the Children of the Forest (Leaf, in glamour/using magic) or a Child/Forest×FirstMen hybrid, but again, using magic to bond the dragon...
    This could track with what we've already seen from Show Daemon when he sings to Vermithor, he does 𝘴𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨, maybe he shares something with Nettles later on?
    She feeds Sheepstealer regularly & once she gets close enough, she uses the "magic" to bond w/the dragon & she learns MORE abt the dragon bonds from Daemon.
    I liked the Theory bc of later implications with Daemon & his death. I think his body is never found bc Daemon ended up on the Isle of Faces & that has a connection to the Green Men (& Child/Forest + First Men pact) & if we're talking "blood magic" & sacrifices...a massive sacrifice was made that day with Aemond/Vhagar + Daemon/Caraxes. Also, "kings/royal blood" & technically 4 dragons, if you play on words...it sounds like something GRRM would write for the supernatural elements that are absolutely a big part of the ASOIAF series.
    That & it'd be cool/interesting to watch & explore.
    But I agree it's much more logical that Nettles is a true dragonseed, she just doesnt look it & shes smart enough to "bond" with the dragon by feeding it beforehand.
    We shall see what the show does soon enough...

  • @Jonjzi
    @Jonjzi 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I'm sure people have heard the theory that Nettles may be related to the Children of the Forest in some way, but I'm honestly surprised that it isn't more popular theory in general because it makes sense to me. If you consider typological character traits in the story, for example, we have several instances where characters are reminded of Arya by another character. There's of course Lyanna, but also Meera Reed, who reminds Bran of Arya. The next character who reminds Bran of Arya is of course, Leaf. When I listen to the description of Nettles, I personally can't help but think of Arya too. So the Reeds are already associated with the Children, but if you consider Lyanna to be a type of Nissa Nissa, who is likely also related to the CoF as well, we have several layers of association to consider.

  • @michaeltavizon8333
    @michaeltavizon8333 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Gooooood video

  • @ramoncarter3121
    @ramoncarter3121 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    this will be a bad idea if true and why is sheepstealer in the vale and not dragonstone

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    @missmodthryth3460 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

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    • @ThommyofThenn
      @ThommyofThenn 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

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