I'm a panigale owner, and I own it not because of comfort, technology or practicality. I own it because I find it beautiful, I love riding it at low and high speeds and I even love washing it. I just think it's a purchase with the heart
I have not long ago bought an 02 R1 and I totally agree with you about the pride of ownership. I have not even scratched the surface of what the bike can do. Heading to work, walking past my garage knowing it’s in there makes me smile. I’ve wanted one for years. Since my dad had one and now I’m in a position where I own one and I love it.
I would definitely agree with you on the argument of "how much do you really need for the road." HOWEVER, the feeling I get when I twist the throttle on a sport bike simply can't be matched by any other bike. I don't get the same adrenaline rush from other bikes and that's why I personally ride sport bikes :) Nice video though.
Most people who want a bike can only afford one, unless they want to take out a lot of loans. And people who can afford a $20K bike are in their 30s, 40s and 50s, and they want sporty bikes that also allow for touring, riding 2-up, and include the modern safety equipment. That's why the KTM 1290, BMW GS and RT, and a couple of others are so popular. An RT, without the panniers, can be moved quickly through canyons. I get why you love your Ducati - it's like riding a work of art.
Good list. Add the Yamaha Tenere line. I plan on getting the biggest Tenere mostly because I'm tall and overweight. I want a safety range of power for me and my luggage on long trips. I take gear (kit, as you say) for sailing, or camping gear and not the ultralight camping stuff. Even plan on getting a tent that is half garage for the bike and half bedroom for me. That kind of thing, and the bells and whistles that only come with the biggest bikes.
I own a 2nd Gen Super Tenere. Most fun bike I've owned, having owned only cruisers. Just tossed some Pilot Road 4 tires on there, and it's a totally new bike over the OEM 90% road/10% off-road Battlewings.
I ride a '16 Daytona 675R every day to work. I'm 42. I actually find the position to be more comfortable than an upright position and I feel like I have better feedback and control in nearly all situations. With so many people stating that sportsbikes are "uncomfortable" (like this is a fact), just a reminder that's purely subjective! I can ride long distances comfortably. I have a nice Kreiga tail bag on it for all of my work stuff and it works very nicely... the setup is very practical for me. I also ride on the interstate everyday (80mph speed limit) and really enjoy the wind protection in a full tuck position. It's feels awesome! Smooth as butter, like I'm cutting through the air. Do I like to open her up once in a while when there aren't cars around? Of course! But doesn't everyone who rides a motorcycle? I don't think this is specific to sport bikes, but that's just my opinion. One thing to note: I'm also a competitive cyclist (road and mountain). My road bike's handlebars are a full 9 inches below my seat, and so to maintain good power in that aero position I'm constantly doing a lot of core work. This may be why I find the position of my Daytona so comfy.
Yes good point, it's all relative, compared to a racing bicycle sports motor bikes are positively comfy. I agree, a bit of core strength makes a lot of difference, believe it or not I have developed abs since I got my Panigale!! (and I no longer find it particularly extreme)
Well said Erik. I used to commute on a Daytona 675 and it was totally useable (and I didn’t buy it until I was 46). Rubbish turning circle though. And the fairing keeps off more rain than you’d imagine. For me if anybody needs more power than a 675 delivers on full throttle then they should be on a track not a road. For UK roads the Daytona is more or less a perfect combination.
Your commentary is always appreciated. I took my Stelvio out to Utah last year (from Texas), and I had numerous people tell my what a nice bike it is. I've never had people comment so much about one of my motorcycles. After hearing about how people react to your Ducati, I assume it must be the Italian styling that gets them!
I wouldn't be too hard on yourself mate. I'm 34 and have three bikes two of them sports bikes one 600cc and one 1000cc I love them both and I don't really give much thought to using all of the power on the road etc. Residential areas I keep everything strictly to the limit it's just not worth wandering over, if I'm out in the country lanes then I will have a play if the roads are clear and conditions permit. Otherwise I will just take them both to the track for a real neck wringing but I think for me it's the image of owning a sports bike more than anything else. I have an old ER6F that I commute on and ride more than both my sports bikes put together probably doing around 12k per year on the commuter. However recently I was looking to reduce my stable size to just 1 bike but despite the plethora of bikes out there I couldn't pick just one bike that I would be consistently satisfied with on a daily basis, I looked at the BMW GS, the BMW S1000XR, S1000RR, KTM Superduke and Ducati Multistrada but still couldn't pick an outright winner there. I think for me for now I am happy with having the variety and the choice to jump on different bikes and even though it isn't practical if I was going to go back to one bike I would stick with my 2013 Fireblade because although it breaks speed limits in 1st gear it never fails to make me smile and I never get tired of looking at it. So in answer to your question I don't think Sportsbikes are impractical for the road I think it all depends on your mindset because let's face anybike even 125's can go faster than 70mph these days so you can speed on any bike if you really want to.
+Revs'n'reps Indeed! - 100% agreed - I was a bit disingenuous with the title of this because obviously I am a sports bike fan too and my primary reasoning is the same as yours - it's the joy of ownership....thanks for watching!
One of the reasons that luxury pointless things are fun and fulfill our lives is precisely because we dont "need" them..! 200BHP for riding to work.. Hell yeah,. too much is never enough... Otherwise we'd all be Amish..!
You shouldn't worry about making slightly controversial videos! As always, your information is presented in a balanced, logical way and people may bring up counter-arguments but anyone that rages because you have a different opinion which you have fully justified isn't worth the time worrying about! Love the content, best motorcycle TH-camr!!
I think the younger biking population like owning one because it is sort of the classic bike they think about growing up (I know I thought so growing up). They sound nice, they go quick and they generally look lovely. But only really applies to the 600cc bracket of bikes due to how expensive litre bikes are. As for why people own the really powerful machines, I reckon it is a toss up between your point of ownership pride and the "doesn't want to grow up" adult. As you said, they are gorgeous machines, the Panigale in particular, so of course you feel a huge pride of ownership whenever you look at your bike or ride it. In contrast, there is that element of wanting to remain a youngster and being daring on the roads, which the litre bike cater for all too easily. My personal opinion on the matter: owning a litre sports bike is like a rite of passage for any budding motorcyclist. You start off small on a 125cc for a while, maybe go for a 600cc for a few years until you get a nice job and insurance goes down because you're getting older. Then you finally decide to see what all the fuss is about and buy a litre bike. Sort of like the different stages of growing up, only it is more expensive and dangerous! Great video MSF. Quite thought-provoking!
TheMissendenFlyer Probably, back in the day litre bikes were far too heavy and handled poorly, these days 600~750cc are faster, lighter and handle far better. Although a Ducati V4 will probably be hard to resist ;-)
No, we get a monster with a comfy riding position like an SA S. A lot of the performance also comes from the rider and on the road, the powerful adventure bikes are often better than sports ones as they can deal with the crappy surfaces.
Well I didnt start on a 125, I went straight to a 800cc Monster. Now I kinda feel like I skipped most of the "growing up" and with it half the fun. But still its only 75hp so atleast in that aspect I have not gone overboard yet :D
I'm in that exact situation, started on a 125cc and I am now looking for a 600cc sportbike. The bike will not be a daily commuter it will be a weekend/track toy (call me a pansy but riding a bike in heavy rain/snow is not my idea of fun) , like most kids I grow up seeing the Moto GP and seeing guys on the sportsbikes and we all want that, seeing an R6/R1 when I was 10 was like seeing a Lamborghini, I had a poster on my wall and everything. I'd look at liter bikes but like you said they are way too expensive and insurance is a joke so for the time being I will stick to the 600cc bikes, plus for me at least the last generation R6 is one of the best looking bikes ever made so I am more than happy to be on that for a while. I want a sportbike mainly for the looks and performance, I am big into cars but you need to be a millionaire to get the same performance as an R6 and to drive anything remotely fun and quick it's double the price of the bike and triple the insurance.
I'm your age and I picked up the Speed Triple this summer precisely because it's easy on my surgically repaired back and the torque is so evenly spread out. Allows me lots of smiles at lower rpms.
I saw the decline of sit up/normal motorcycles from the 70s, 80s through to the 90s and must admit I went through a bit of a crisis as to what to buy back then, I had a sports tourer type which wasn't too bad ( zzr600) then I fell in love with a zx7r I saw and hastily bought it, what a mistake. For me it's all about comfort and I just couldn't get on with it at all and sold it within a month, moving over to a Suzuki 1200 bandit which I kept for years, even buying a second one because it suited me that well. I'm glad to see a huge comeback of so many street bikes available today, and yes I ride one, a street triple rs, it gives me all the sport bike fun I need. I still like looking at sportsbikes though after all they are beautiful machines- I just can't ride them because they are not comfortable for me.
Sports bikes are great on the track but real world riding they really are not that great, pot holes, speed humps, head down arse up, weight on the wrists, sore neck. Naked bikes are really just much more comfortable and practical as you said and not that much less horse power but much more real world power and I think actual quicker on the road than a sports bike. My 99' ZX6 was a great super sports bike back in the day but now it has no fairing, different bars to now be a naked bike and it so much better for the road. In the sports bike crouch it is more the sensation of speed rather than real speed, the lower you are to the ground the faster it feels, so I found over the years
I actually prefer the sportbike riding posture to an upright.. But hey whatever works for you.. Personally I cannot stand naked bikes or uprights. It's sportbike or nothing for me. No Cruisers no nothing they just dont do anything for me. And before you call me a young squid I'm a 46 year old biker that has been riding since 1980. I ride it more like a sport tourer but still prefer to ride a sportbike over anything else..
I bought a BMW S1000XR after 13 years without a bike, the one before was a ZXR 600 used for commuting in all weathers in the UK. Since moving countries, riding is a luxury hobby on weekends, 400 - 600km rides. When I was testing bikes a sales guy said buy one that when you get off and look back at it, you say to your self I'm so glad I bought that.... Its each to their own to what everyone likes and gets a kick from. My first bike was a Yamaha FS1E I used for school, I still remember that one day I'd own a sports bike. Its what dreams are made of...
Whatever keeps that smile on your face, life is short have fun. Great reviews on this chanel, thankyou for all the work you put into them they are very much apreciated.
Thank you for another great video. I'm actually trying to answer this question myself. I wanted a Panigale 3 years ago. I said to myself "no, it's stupid, dangerous and useless on the road. Stop it". Last year i bought a Scrambler after trying the Panigale three times ! The scrambler is the most fun i think i could ever have on a motorcycle. But....yes, there's a but. Every 2 or 3 months, this beauty of a bike comes back to my mind. I can't get it out. And if i see one, i almost need to go to therapy to accept that it is not a good idea to get the 899. But with that said, last week i've sold the Scrambler. I decided that if i don't get one know, i probably never will. So, let's see what will happened next :)
you know it makes sense! When the original Panigale first broke cover I knew I had to have one one day as it was so darn gorgeous! ....but I couldn't get over the pointless/dangerous thing, the 899 just made that silly idea just sensible enough for me to go and get one :0) ...and I love it....
Books_VS_Cigarettes I have the exact same mental problem as you, I know I will hate the ride position ( I have tested one) but every time I see a picture I start looking them up on auto trader, please post if you get one as I really want to know how you get on with it
Yes its not a rationale thought process that's why last week I got a 1299s panigale to go with my Mvagusta 750s F4 ,Honda VFR 800 vetec and KTM 390 Duke remember you only live once no regrets enjoy it.
I agree with your points, from a performance perspective there's way too much power than you need. I'm no longer young nor am I a knob out on the bike, I have an rsv4 and I wanted it because of what it sounds like. I'm going to Spain later this month on the bike so I wanted to get something more practical to do the trip, I bought a BMW S1000rr. I guess you pays your money and takes your choice. It's about what you like and how it makes you feel. Having said all that I have been looking at a triple black GS so old age is def creeping up :)
I really enjoy all of your videos and point of view on most things. And this video is so spot-on that I just had to comment and tell you so. Maybe, like you, I have also become an old-fart in my thinking. But I think maybe it's more that with our years has come a bit of wisdom as well. Pride of ownership can also come from a small, slower bike, not to mention tremendous fun... as the saying goes, it's much more fun to ride a slow bike fast, than a fast bike slow. Right now I have a little Suzuki TU250X that I have modded into a cafe/bobber, and it is a blast to ride, looks great, is practical and economical, and gets admiring glances. It is safe and does not encourage me to do something stupid. I can't imagine having more fun on a bike, and I have no desire for anything "faster".
Another good video. Totally agree with both parts. I bought a 1299 in 2016,without a test ride. Just wanted one on looks alone. Loved the bike, and the special feeling you got when you rode it. After a couple of years I was I was aching if I did over 100 miles on it. Bit of a bugger coz I sometimes do 3 times that. I borrowed a supersport s while the 1299 got serviced. So much better to ride on the twisty bumpy roads I ride on. Did nearly 150 miles before I took it back. No aches or pains. Went home thought about it for a bit, eventually rang the dealer and did a deal in 20 minutes on the phone. Had the supersport 18 months now, brilliant bike for the roads I ride on. I always bought the fastest crazy bike, but now realise you don't need 200 hp the put a smile on your face.
I'm 55 & rode a GSXR 750 every day for 3 yrs. I found the bike to be very comfortable but I do keep my core strong & am in good shape. I recently sold it & am now on a Harley Sportster which is comfortable & fast enough to have fun on the streets. I do miss the GSXR power & handling. You can have a blast on a Ninja 250 on the street. Supersport so are truly the best at the track. If you own one I highly recommend doing some track days, there you will appreciate it more for what it's made for.
I agree with you. I love my XR but it's just too much power for the road, you can't use all that power without getting into trouble. I've enjoyed a year on it but currently replacing it with a GS Rallye, still a ton of fun and more practical for what I am using bikes for.
Having feedback in a corner is huge for me, only a sportsbike gives you that. Aerodynamics, looks, speed, brakes, engine design, they are all epitomized on sportbikes.
Most of us ride because we just want to and for the way it makes us feel. Sport bikes are what attracted me to riding, but I ride a semi naked because I like how it looks and how easy it is to service. Like you, I just like seeing it in the garage and I just feel good riding it, especially on long road trips.
I think the buying public has already answered this question. As you said, the sales of sports bikes have been in decline for years. Modern sports bikes only really exist to homologate for racing and as such are seriously compromised as road bikes. Having said all that, if you can afford one as a second bike for a Sunday raz or track day, why not?
Hi Flyer. I'm not a sports bike fan but love the fact that the sports bike world developes technology for brakes handling etc. Then that tech filters down to other bikes in the future
Yet another excellent vid Mr Flyer, as I type I am on my way to pick up my R1200RS after it's service. My RS is used everyday during the week for commuting to London, a 120 mile round trip. I find it to very very versatile and easier to use in heavy London traffic than say a R1200RT, for the journey I do a naked bike would be uncomfortable as I am on fast roads such as the M25 and M11. The bike is also in use at weekends for ride outs and will get its first track day next week. The bike is also fully kitted for touring when not in commuter mode, it is very rare I do not get comments from car drivers in London as to how the bike looks and questions regarding speed. Yes it is a fats bike, not as fast as some sports bikes. However for me it is a great all rounder, I will be getting the 2018 model in October😊. Keep up the great work.
I think my Honda CBR500R is a perfect mixture of speed without being insanely over the top, super comfortable and great handling, amazing gas mileage and a very beautiful bike too. It seems to be good at most any type of riding, city highway, back roads.
When I saw the title of this video, I kind of knew where you would probably go with it. I was thinking of making a similar video a few months ago myself, and I still may. But I agree with you. I ride a big ole fat, loud Harley with a HUGE engine in it. The 110 CI / 1802 CC Screamin' Eagle engine to be exact. And I have tuned aftermarket pipes on it and it is extremely loud! I hear sport riders say we are compensating for a lack of this or that, but the same could be said for them on liter bikes screaming up and down the interstates at speeds way over 100 MPH. But the reason I ride what I ride is just as you described. A huge sense of pride in how I feel when I ride it. As for, do we need it? I once knew a lady who needed a Porsche. She didn't care if it was new or old, but she had to have a Porsche. People said she was crazy and that any old car would get her where she wanted to go, but I knew exactly what she was talking about. And she got her Porsche eventually. But I love my bike. Years ago, when I lived in Spain, I rode a Kawasaki KZ700. It was no where near as fast as some of the other bikes, but it would do over 100 MPH and it was fun in the twisties and fast off the line. Fun for the city and fun on the back roads. I loved it! Then I came back to the states and rode other bikes, but my son bought a Kawasaki Z1000 and I think I drove it as much as he did! That bike was exhilarating and terrible all at the same time! I ride my Harley because it is fun and I love the way it makes me feel. No compensating, just purely fun! It's not, "do we need it?" It's more like, "does it put a huge smile on your face?"
That is exactly the point - I would argue though that we all need to put a huge smile on our face (especially at these times we find ourselves living in)....
The argument is the same for many 'Luxury' goods; why buy a Rolex when all you need is to be able to know the time? If you are fortunate to be able to afford something which makes you feel good then why not buy it; you only have one life to live so why mot make it as enjoyable as possible; indulge yourself as long as it is not to the detriment of others. Love the Ducati here speaks a envious sole; good luck and be safe.
Yes you are of course right Paul but with Sports-bikes there is danger involved - I have no issue if someone wants to go out and seriously injure or kill himself (we're all adults, we know the risks), it's when others get impacted I have the problem with. A Rolex is unlikely to hurt anyone else :0)
Started riding in 1971. Eventually had a Blade and an R1. Recently bought a 765R Street Triple and love it. Only thing putting me off another superbike was cost of insurance etc. Don't really do enough miles to justify cost. Tight Yorkshire man 😊
I'm 19, just did my A2 have been riding 125' for about 2 years now. jumping on the 48hp bikes, they're as quick as a 160hp turbocharged cars. and it's just plenty of power, i don't think i'd need more than that. but I LOOOVE the looks of the older Fireblade (the one before the 2017 model) and the z1000. but 160 or 190hp is just waay too much in my opinion. I'm also more for the looks than the power
Not everyone has access to racetrack but for skilled riders the streets are the best way to showcase one's skills and enjoy the best of your sportbike by filtering through the traffic and then speeding on the open highway. Its good to have some more power on tap when you need it.
I owned a 749 for over 10 years and, like you say, Ducatis always draw a crowd, people stop and talk, admire, ask questions (I've noticed the same phenomenon with dogs sometimes actually). But the truth is, it was a demanding ride - you had to commit to make it worthwhile. I got an old CBR600F as a second bike and discovered, after years with a supermodel, that it was the plain girl that's captured my heart. That CBR is a genius do-it-all bike. And I'm faster, smoother, better on it than I ever was on the 749. And it's comfortable when you need it, it has enough of a fairing to make distance bearable (for me, windblast is a big minus for nakeds), and it's stupid fast too, if you need it. Just posted a couple of onboard vids on my channel.
Completely agree withy you TMF - I had a 2008 R1 and loved the look, it rode amazingly however it was so rare that I could really use the performance, so sold it and got a Street Triple (standard) and really love it, perfect for me
Firstly, thanks for this vid. I think it's an important question and one which all bikers can learn a lot by considering. In my humble opinion, after quite a few years of riding bikes and looking back over this time, I feel I've learnt so much by owning and riding many different bikes - 50s, 125s, classic Brit bikes, 70s Japanese bikes, middleweights, supersports, litre sports, sport's tourers, track bikes, supermotos, trail bikes, trials even. The greater the numbrr of experiences, the greater the learning. And also the realisation that the learning never ends! I would say try them all, if you're so inclined, and enrichen your riding experience. Maybe just take your time working up to that litre sport's bike...
Because the Micra was in the workshop to get some bashes taken out ( I see lots of people crashing) I was forced to take my GS out for a toddle. Whilst parked up for 34 th comfort stop of the day (it's an age thing) a sparkly S1000RR parked up next to me complete with Power Ranger on board. He pulled off his lid and we started chatting. He was 73 and waiting on delivery of his new RR! Respect!
Good vid as always mate, and an interesting point too. There's no doubt that most of us mere mortals will never ride a sportsbike (or many other bikes for that matter) anywhere near their limits on the road, but as you said, it's all about how the bike makes you feel. I love my sportsbikes, but must admit as time has ticked by, I'm now a full on big naked/adventure bike convert. However I still could see me having something like the new Gixxer, RSV4, Norton V4 RR, or new V4 Panigale sititng in the garage for those days when you need your bollocks tickled! ;-)
Not sure about having my testicles tickled but I do agree variety is the spice of life (hence my sports bike, adventure machine [sorry!], naked funster and off-roader....) - let's face it motorcycles are just darn fun and cool things to ride....Good to have you along as ever sir!
I agree with you and understand your reasoning, pride of owning a what is in your or anybody elses eyes a magnificent steed is uppermost in our minds wben we purchase , we all or most get that excited feeling going to pick it up for the first time and i love throwing a leg over my bike for the same reason it just happens not to fall squarely in the sport category for me. I love the look , sound of sports bikes (bmw for me) just feel a waste to not use them as designed , so track only with the possibility of trashing it 🤤. Interesting question though 👍
Definitely a pride of ownership and appreciation of a fine motorcycle. Just having my bikes in the garage is a constant feel good factor and riding them is the icing on the cake.. its a hobby, a passion and it keeps me going when im at work having a crap day 😉
Just bought a Ducati Multistrada 1200S and definitely feel the same pride of ownership you talk about. It's ludicrously fast but with some paniers my wife and I can go on trips together. I owned a speed triple prior and just couldn't bring myself to buy another bike I knew would be hurting my ass after 100kms and have no ability to use it for getaways and things. The Multi has outsold all other Ducatis, and I can see why. If you can have it all, why compromise? Nice video mate, glad you decided to upload.
Just changed my GSXR750 to a S1000XR for many of the reasons you mention in your video. The XR is an awesome machine but my hart already misses the Gixer.. However, my back doesn't..
Hi there dude your right but it's nice to have it there if you want it ,will be looking forward to your Ducati tests in the future as I hear that they may be coming soon as I mentioned your channel to somebody at Silverstone last month and they said it's already in hand 😉
Last year I had the same thought,told the wife I'd trade the Hyabusa for something more practical ,yeah right I now own a ZZR1400 I think once you've had the most less is hard to settle for.Keep up the good work love the videos.
Good call TMF. For me I think it's something to do with the anticipation of ownership, which starts with reading up about new models, watching and reading road tests, taking delivery, almost being in awe of the acceleration to start with and when I feel am used to that I sell them in the interests of self preservation!! I have had a CBR1000RR08, 1198S09, 84809, S1000RR11, Panigale1199S12. My favourite was the 1198S as it had bags of torque and was ironically the most satisfying to ride at all speeds due to its character yet the others seemed boring unless they were significantly over the speed limit. Great bikes on the track I agree but that proved a hassle for me with getting the time along with the right weather conditions. I have an R1200GSA LC for my daily 80 mile commute which is quick, as you know, a MG V97 conversion (850cc) that gives great satisfaction within the speed limits and an R9T Racer which quick and great fun around the speed limit. High speed riding on a clear road is all well and good but it only takes is an animal to run out ....... The other thing is that the price of sports bikes seems a lot higher than a few years ago so that has kept me away from them.
From your recent videos it's apparent riding in the UK is congested and over-regulated. This limits the potential for 'fun' significantly unless you head far from the madding crowds. Here in Canada and the Pacific Northwest, there are considerably more opportunities to ride enthusiastically with less of the traffic constraints once off the beaten track, but in the cities the same problems exist. Sales of sport bikes have also shown a notable decline is recent years, but I believe this is more due to the changing demographics than other factors. 'Back in the Day' before 100+ HP and decent suspension became mainstream, sports were the only machines to offer the rewarding performance we craved. But now we can tick most of the boxes without the need to regular chiropractry. You are right though, most sports bikes are things of beauty.
I've got 4 bikes, a Triumph T160 Trident, a Ducati 900ss, a Harley Davidson Electraglide UltraClassic and a Ducati 959 Panigale. At different times they all become "favourites". The Harley and the Panigale couldn't be more different, but they both make me feel good. In many ways the Harley is harder to ride than the Panigale, but that's part of its charm. One is the USS Enterprise, the other a Eurofighter. Interesting point for me is that I tend not to keep 4 cylinder bikes, I certainly find them harder to keep sane on!
I don't have a litre bike, I have a Daytona 675, but I have it for the same reasons you talked about. it's pride of ownership and I prefer the look of sports bike. It's not the most comfortable bike to ride for a long journeys but it's not a mode of transport, it's purely a weekend toy to enjoy. every time I open my garage door it gives me the biggest smile and brightens up any day.
Horses for courses mate. One man's poison is another man's cure...we all have different tastes and concepts about all bikes. I like sports bikes for the sheer exhilaration of acceleration and speed. I'm now looking at FireStorms and V-Stroms atm, but I am in my 60's. If I had the money, the new GSXR 1000 would be my choice.
I've got a Z1000 and it's definitely true that it's way over the top for road use and has more power than can ever be used away from the track. It's not practical because luggage is a complete pain and the pillion seat makes Mrs C's legs go numb. It makes absolutely no sense and that's part of the reason I love it. I also have a CB500X that I can use with luggage and a pillion but the Z is to go to bike for fun.
I've been a sports bike rider for many years now. But then comes the age thing ..... yep I'm fifty now , so I traded my beloved zx10r , which I had for nearly thirteen years and went for a Beautiful Mv agusta dragster 800 rr. Now I enjoy riding without pain in my legs , back and wrist , lol. Rediscovered the joy of riding again and she looks gorgeous too.
You're honest TMF. I respect the reasons you admit to having a sportsbike. The truth of the matter is, that's probably why most people have sport bikes but few would admit to those reasons.
I've had sportsbikes (R6, Fireblades, Ducati 1098, S1000RR, GSXR750/1000) for 20+ years but 2 years ago I was going onto the motorway slip road, max revs in 1st gear and I could have got banned. In 1st. On the motorway! So I've switched to naked 700cc ish bikes that allow you to have fun at all speeds. I think every bike lover needs to own a litre+ sportsbike a least once in their life but in reality naked is more fun!
Yes your probably right I now have a 05 Honda Blackbird at one point had two an 08 but sadly got knocked off. I did have three Blackbirds at one point. Since then I've an BMW R1200RS bit slower and clunky but very nice to ride and I use it more often than the Bird. Must be old man syndrome I'm 66..lol All the best Bob Hancock
I own two large bikes. A BMW R1100RSL (1993 230,000km) and a 2001 Ducati 900 SS. The Beemer is the perfect cross between sport and tourer IMO and it gives me immense pleasure riding it both commuting and doing 800+km days touring. It punts quickly enough for me and is just IT. I have owned it for 22 years and put about 225,000 of those 230,000 k's on it. The Ducati is a different story though. I agree wholeheartedly with you about owning a duke and it giving an amazing sense of ownership pride. It just looks and sounds right. A work of visual and audible art. My 900SS has another purpose for me though. It was my younger brother's bike and I bought it from him just before he passed away from cancer. I have it as a tribute to him and ride it in his memory. I have a tribute to him on it "Dave's Ducati, in Paul's care". It also carries a tribute to Dave's son Zane who rode a dirt bike and passed away from a heart condition at 11.
Well, I guess a hornets nest has been stirred. I've been riding for 54 years now, (work that out) got married on a 1958 BSA Super Rocket, had a lot of sports bikes in my time, but now I have only two in the stable an FJR1300 and an MT09 Tracer both of which I can ride all day long day after day. Last week I had a test drive on a KTM 1290 Super Duke R . O.M.G !!! On returning the bike back to the dealer after 3 hours I thought this is the bike will not help the sale of sports bikes at all. I think young blokes up to the age of 60 will still buy them of course, but after that mate, we oldies just cant hold that riding position for long, so they're just a great memory.. a bit like sex I guess :)
That's why you take an SA S for a test ride, most of the craziness of the SDR when you want it, but with shed loads more comfort - heated seats too if sir and/or madam so desire. :)
Yes. Agree with both your points on the panigale. Its the same reason I still own my rsv4 (6 years now). But, to add.... Before I owned owned rsv4 I had a hypermotard (I have another one now ironically so I do own as ducati as well!) I started going to the TT. The year I went on the hyper any run over the mountain it ran out of steam (tops out at 135). The rsv4 is perfect. I have a week of essentially being able to learn to ride it to the best of my ability. I'm no racer but its a question of the right tool for the job! and the rsv4 (for me is perfect) for that job.
I got very lucky with my first motorcycle...kind of random - 2009 ST3R. picked it solely based on looks and the fact it was "only" 600cc. There was a point that the Daytona drew me in to wanting to trade in for one but I realized I already have the perfect motorcycle. In the future I will probably upgrade to a newer model for some of the fancy electronics and ABS but for now I will stick with the '09 and maybe supplement with a DRZ for trail riding... :D thanks for the good videos.
Same thing could be said for cars. Ferrari 812 has 800bhp, totally unnecessary as are some of the new 'hot hatches' which regularly have over 300bhp. People will also want the latest things in life and as long as manufacturers make them they will sell them, after all they want to make money. I agree with you it is all about want you want. I can not afford to go out and buy what I want, I have save up for months on end, but then it is my pride and joy. Most vehicles nowadays are way too powerful for the roads, but they are a lot safer than they were in the 60's,70's 80's etc... Is driving a 1960's car without all the modern safety features like seat belts,ABS more or less dangerous than It is to drive a modern supercar? It is difficult to say how fast is too fast, it is the rider who is in control and they are solely responsible for their actions. I love super bikes for the looks and style but also for their history. Really interesting question and I have enjoyed reading the replies.
True - but at least with the high end car exotica you are a bit less likely to kill yourself - but the same desire thing is at play for sure....thanks for watching and for stopping by! - TMF
I'm not sure why people make the comment that sports bikes are too fast or impracticable. My first bike was a 320cc R3 and was capable of hitting over 170kph, true it was a sports bike, but it was low powered, my point being that you can go fast on any bike. The thing with being a motorcyclist is that you have to have a mature head on your shoulders; an immature, irresponsible rider will get into far more trouble on a KTM Duke 200 than a mature, responsible rider will on an R1. So I would argue that it is the rider that is potentially too fast for the road, not the bike. The practicability really depends on what you want from the bike; if you want to tour on it then sure an 1199 Panigale probably isn't the wisest choice, however I regularly go for rides along the coast on my CBR600RR with friends and stop for a coffee, for that use it is completely practical; I also commute on it sometimes which makes the journey to and from work something to look forward to, rather than a mundane experience. So I really think there are too many variables in people's lives to say there is no place for sports bikes, some people love them, some hate them, but one thing is for sure.....damn they're beautiful!!
Great video, as always! I totally agree with you. I am on the front end of the demographic you described, and I wanted something a little more comfortable while not giving up too much performance...so the Street Triple fit the bill nicely for me. I certainly appreciate the beauty and capabilities of the super sport line, but would only add one if I suddenly had enough time to spend at the track to really get the most out of it. Thank you for the great content, cheers!
I had sports bike and just found now that they were generally to fast for the road, had a few closes ones with the officers of the law. Latest was the Ducati 959 and just found it hard work...favourite sports bike of all time was the S1000RR. Anyway finished with them now , so got myself a wee Thruxton R.....perfect for the road and loads of fun.
(1) Fun ! (2) Can be without a certain amount of discipline, but just about any kind of bike can be too fast too easily irrespective of engine capacity (3) Yes, although it is not as much fun (4) Great handling when the surface is good, not so much when it isn't. I always had sports bikes when I was younger - for the handling, tried a Naked when I got older & did not like the lack of feeling in the front end, so now as a quite old rider still enjoy riding a sports bike again. Only thing I don't like about sports bikes on the road is lack of rear vision. Comfort is fine if that is what you are used too.
It's nice to have so much power on tap, to have the the equivalent car performance you would have to spend near 100 grand. Like a Swiss watch you probably won't dive to 300m but it's nice to know you can !
Nice piece! Like you, I've got different bikes because of the love for them. But my daily driver and the one I sit on first is my ZZR 14! Even though it's hard to stretch its legs, I do from time to time. But when I open the garage, the 1299 is the one I marvel at in its beauty. My two up, is the K16 GTL..
I agree with all your comments on this TMF. You pay your money and make your choice like any other non essential purchase. If it makes you happy and you can afford it go ahead. If you are just a sunny day blaster for a couple of hours the comfort factor is not really an issue but if you do some proper touring miles these are definitely not the right machine for the job, but there is a massive choice out there that are.
Naked bikes are best all rounders. nothing boring about that :) They look great, they are so nice to ride in town and power is more than enough for most riders. I would only consider getting a sport bike or Harley as a second bike. I am keeping naked as number 1 forever.
I think you're right - they're certainly a specialist item. Trouble with the adventure segment is that all the manufactures seem to think they need litre-plus engines and mega horsepower. If there was a sub-litre sports tourer other than the Honda VFR800 (too old, too heavy) and the Ducati SuperSport (too expensive in NZ) that would probably be my one do-it-all bike choice. All that being said - I'm loving my Street Triple!
agreed on many points there. No actual need for them on the road.. but they look awesome. The performance can be had on other types of bikes with loads more practicality. I do think some people just have them to willy wave. Matching leathers of course...
Ok, I'm 55 years old and sold my gpz 1100 when my daughter was born April 29 1992. I stopped by a friends dealership on a whim and just walked back to the warehouse to look at vintage bikes. I saw a really small bike that looked like jewelry. So I sat on it and rocked the suspension. 2012 white 848, 140 hp. Ya can't resist it when you can afford it.
angus kangus that's the day I was born and my father too is 55..Are you my dad...haha just kidding...my father too likes motorbikes just as you do..stay happy
Great video Mr Flyer as always. Let's be honest we don't really need bikes, when cars can be bought so cheaply like Kia, Dacia and are generally reliable. For city communiting a small capacity bike would be sufficient. However we watch this channel because we love bikes! So therfore we should buy what ever our hearts desire :)
I finally decided at age 58 that sports bikes weren't ideal, and it was only by chance I had that revelation. I'd taken my compromise sports bike, a Suzuki SV1000sz in for an MOT, and took a Triumph Tiger 800 out for a test ride to fill in the time. It was comfortable, easy to ride slow, and was quite quick too, so two years ago I became the owner of my Tiger 800XRx. I'd still have a sports bike though, if I could justify more than one bike to the boss!
I totally agree with your comments and thanks for posting it - naked bike are definitely filling the market need for us middle age folk for all round enjoyment but there is also undoubtedly the point of having something rather special in the collection if you are fortunate enough to be able to afford it. Fair analysis and a sound one in my humble opinion. I do think though though some of your reviews of late are becoming less neutral and critical than they could be - whether that is due to not wanting to upset the dealers or not i am not sure. Hard to pin specifics but its feels like it sometimes ....
For me the issue for litre superbike ownership is the state of the roads, traffic, numpties (at junctions and roundabouts) and constant lower speed limits. I have brilliant roads near to me (A33, A339, A272, A31, A30, A4, B3400 etc) and lovely country lanes that just don't suit sports bikes. The highways agency puts down chippings and expect you to roll it in for them and you get gravel on the roads from tractors, rain washing etc. Not only that the A339 to Alton (to name just one) has many mahoosive potholes near the center line. I’ve never owned a sportsbike (not so far anyway). I started in 1975 on two stroke dirt bikes and did a lot of enduro and green lane riding (even across Salisbury Plain). I then moved on larger capacity two strokes, British bikes (from the 60s and 70s) and more recently riding my Son’s Kawasaki ZX6R. I now own a Honda CB1300 (naked muscle bike). On local country roads (and some A roads) riding my Son’s sports bike is often like riding a road drill or dirt bike. I love sports bikes and race bikes and have done since the early 60s. My Dad’s mate was a TT racer and I’ve visited and followed Moto GP, BSB and WSB since seeing Barry Sheene at Brands Hatch in 1976 (rode there from Hampshire). I get the passion, engineering excellence and beauty of them but think litre sports bikes are definitely a heart choice not a head one. Mind you I’d have one for the odd ride out.
I'm with you there, They are is a sense of ownership, also on the odd occasion it's immense fun to unleash the power. You don't get on the same feeling of that power on an Adventure style bike. Like you I own a BMW GS, and have just taken delivery of the new Ducati Supersport S, not a true sports bike - compared to the Panigale's - but in my mind a far more 'usable' bike day to day.
It's a great point TMF. I love riding sports bikes. I love the way they look. I love they way they make me feel. However. 1000cc, 750cc and even 600cc IL4s all have more than enough performance for road riding. Even a 600cc twin can be more than is needed. The point you're making though is one I've been thinking about ever since I got my first big bike - a Suzuki GSF600-F. Compared to my car at the time felt like a rocket ship. Wasn't long before I had a ZX-7R (still my favourite all time bike to this day). After completing my first ever track day on the 7R I started thinking it was a bit much for the road. Then I tried an original R1 and terrified myself. This is where the head gets relegated and heart says, that 954 FireBlade looks quite nice... got one, terrified myself again (slightly less so than the R1, but still). Head came back and I traded it in for a Pan-European. Great bike, but didn't make me want to get up early on a Sunday morning. So I got another Fireblade (998) and then a K1300s. I still LOVE riding these bikes but their both like having the 2-wheeled equivalent of a Bugatti in the garage. Pointless. No one wants to be in an accident and no one wants to get jailed for exploring the shift light in any gear over 2nd (or even 1st in some cases), but although the head says no, the heart still skips when I'm walking out to the garage.That's what I like - it feels a bit naughty. The truth is - if people cannot control their speed, or rather they're not riding expecting that car that at a junction to pull out, they'll ride like that on any sized bike - any bike that can get to 100mph is more than enough to get you killed - David Holmes RIP. In summary though, and to answer your question, yes - I think that sports bikes got powerful enough 20 yrs ago. The only caveat, albeit a small one, is the standard fitment of ABS and TC to bikes now. In some conditions they're safer to ride due the aids. BUT, riders feel more comfortable and just ride faster - no matter what your skill level, ABS, TC and an IMU are not going to do much to make other road users aware of you..
I'm an old guy who bought a Pani 899 thinking, "This is a big mistake". Its a young mans bike. But I absolutely love it. Every ride is an occasion. Sometimes I go quick (270kmh, its flat out) but mostly I just love the sound (SC race exhaust) and the feeling of the bike.
I completely understand where you are coming from with this video. I have a Street Triple R and a Yamaha R3, and in many respects the R3 is more fun to ride, especially in the twisties. There is a lot of fun to be had in riding a slow bike fast.
For taking the autobahn to work everyday? I think daily sportbike riders enjoy the nimbleness, acceleration and such things that they cannot find at the same degree with other category bikes and they are willing to deal with the hard seats, riding positing etc. Its not the most reasonable option but we should be happy its allowed (for now). If we were all reasonable we wouldnt ride super nakeds and other fast GT's as well.
Insurance is hindering sports bike sales too. As a reasonably new rider with 22 years plus ncb on my car insurance, (firmly in the age bracket referred to, sadly....) I thought I'd just go out and treat myself to a GSXR 600. The lowest insurance quote I received was about £450 with a £575 excess which I felt was simply expensive. I opted for a much newer naked (Street Triple R) which I can insure for less than £300. I've no doubt that in time my hankering for a sports bike will return when I've accrued some motorcycle ncb.
Thanks TMF yet another good topic to watch. You're spot on it is pride of ownership or some people might describe as "willy waving". There are many things in life you do that don't always make sense but they make you feel good and why not, life is too short. I would never judge or try and school a person on their choice of bike that is personal to them. I only have issues with how a person might ride a bike if it puts other road users in danger. It would make a boring cafe stop if we all turned up on the same type of machine.
I'm a panigale owner, and I own it not because of comfort, technology or practicality. I own it because I find it beautiful, I love riding it at low and high speeds and I even love washing it.
I just think it's a purchase with the heart
I'm, with you on that Adam....
pchmm yeah I hear you! I luv the look of the thruxton!
You buy sportbikes with your heart, not your head..
Also, with your money, which you have plenty it seems. Sportbikes are obsolete.
Eh? Not sure I follow??
He means it's a passion/looks/drool-factor thing, not a thought out sensible thing (the purchasing decision).
eyaleng sports bikes are not obsolete. Just not selling new as much as before which btw was a boom era
"It makes me happy" is enough of a reason for me; in this world, we need to grab onto whatever happiness we can.
100% agreed....
I have not long ago bought an 02 R1 and I totally agree with you about the pride of ownership. I have not even scratched the surface of what the bike can do. Heading to work, walking past my garage knowing it’s in there makes me smile. I’ve wanted one for years. Since my dad had one and now I’m in a position where I own one and I love it.
+Josh Greenslade Glad we concur!
Nice to know other people think the way I do. It doesn't always have to be practical. It's pride of ownership and just makes you feel good!
...agreed.
Fuck the hate comments lad it's your channel. Great content 👍
I would definitely agree with you on the argument of "how much do you really need for the road." HOWEVER, the feeling I get when I twist the throttle on a sport bike simply can't be matched by any other bike. I don't get the same adrenaline rush from other bikes and that's why I personally ride sport bikes :) Nice video though.
I get that Jaret completely....
Most people who want a bike can only afford one, unless they want to take out a lot of loans. And people who can afford a $20K bike are in their 30s, 40s and 50s, and they want sporty bikes that also allow for touring, riding 2-up, and include the modern safety equipment. That's why the KTM 1290, BMW GS and RT, and a couple of others are so popular. An RT, without the panniers, can be moved quickly through canyons. I get why you love your Ducati - it's like riding a work of art.
Good list. Add the Yamaha Tenere line. I plan on getting the biggest Tenere mostly because I'm tall and overweight. I want a safety range of power for me and my luggage on long trips. I take gear (kit, as you say) for sailing, or camping gear and not the ultralight camping stuff. Even plan on getting a tent that is half garage for the bike and half bedroom for me. That kind of thing, and the bells and whistles that only come with the biggest bikes.
I own a 2nd Gen Super Tenere. Most fun bike I've owned, having owned only cruisers. Just tossed some Pilot Road 4 tires on there, and it's a totally new bike over the OEM 90% road/10% off-road Battlewings.
I disagree. Rather than a $24,000 car, I have a $3500 car and a $21,000 bike. It's all priorities.
Yup! I drive a 14 year old Toyota Corolla, and ride a Ducati. There is never a day when I regret that!
2000 jeep, 2012 848.
I ride a '16 Daytona 675R every day to work. I'm 42. I actually find the position to be more comfortable than an upright position and I feel like I have better feedback and control in nearly all situations. With so many people stating that sportsbikes are "uncomfortable" (like this is a fact), just a reminder that's purely subjective! I can ride long distances comfortably. I have a nice Kreiga tail bag on it for all of my work stuff and it works very nicely... the setup is very practical for me. I also ride on the interstate everyday (80mph speed limit) and really enjoy the wind protection in a full tuck position. It's feels awesome! Smooth as butter, like I'm cutting through the air.
Do I like to open her up once in a while when there aren't cars around? Of course! But doesn't everyone who rides a motorcycle? I don't think this is specific to sport bikes, but that's just my opinion.
One thing to note: I'm also a competitive cyclist (road and mountain). My road bike's handlebars are a full 9 inches below my seat, and so to maintain good power in that aero position I'm constantly doing a lot of core work. This may be why I find the position of my Daytona so comfy.
Yes good point, it's all relative, compared to a racing bicycle sports motor bikes are positively comfy. I agree, a bit of core strength makes a lot of difference, believe it or not I have developed abs since I got my Panigale!! (and I no longer find it particularly extreme)
Well said Erik. I used to commute on a Daytona 675 and it was totally useable (and I didn’t buy it until I was 46). Rubbish turning circle though. And the fairing keeps off more rain than you’d imagine. For me if anybody needs more power than a 675 delivers on full throttle then they should be on a track not a road. For UK roads the Daytona is more or less a perfect combination.
Your commentary is always appreciated. I took my Stelvio out to Utah last year (from Texas), and I had numerous people tell my what a nice bike it is. I've never had people comment so much about one of my motorcycles. After hearing about how people react to your Ducati, I assume it must be the Italian styling that gets them!
Yes, the Italians know how to do this design stuff don't they....
I wouldn't be too hard on yourself mate. I'm 34 and have three bikes two of them sports bikes one 600cc and one 1000cc I love them both and I don't really give much thought to using all of the power on the road etc. Residential areas I keep everything strictly to the limit it's just not worth wandering over, if I'm out in the country lanes then I will have a play if the roads are clear and conditions permit. Otherwise I will just take them both to the track for a real neck wringing but I think for me it's the image of owning a sports bike more than anything else. I have an old ER6F that I commute on and ride more than both my sports bikes put together probably doing around 12k per year on the commuter. However recently I was looking to reduce my stable size to just 1 bike but despite the plethora of bikes out there I couldn't pick just one bike that I would be consistently satisfied with on a daily basis, I looked at the BMW GS, the BMW S1000XR, S1000RR, KTM Superduke and Ducati Multistrada but still couldn't pick an outright winner there. I think for me for now I am happy with having the variety and the choice to jump on different bikes and even though it isn't practical if I was going to go back to one bike I would stick with my 2013 Fireblade because although it breaks speed limits in 1st gear it never fails to make me smile and I never get tired of looking at it. So in answer to your question I don't think Sportsbikes are impractical for the road I think it all depends on your mindset because let's face anybike even 125's can go faster than 70mph these days so you can speed on any bike if you really want to.
In every respect, a top notch comment there.
Check out the 1290 SA S if it's not too tall for you. It's a bit like having a comfy SuperDuke.
+Revs'n'reps Indeed! - 100% agreed - I was a bit disingenuous with the title of this because obviously I am a sports bike fan too and my primary reasoning is the same as yours - it's the joy of ownership....thanks for watching!
Thanks buddy I will definitely check that out I like the look of it too.
Thanks Glenn very kind of you to say mate.
One of the reasons that luxury pointless things are fun and fulfill our lives is precisely because we dont "need" them..! 200BHP for riding to work.. Hell yeah,. too much is never enough... Otherwise we'd all be Amish..!
Very true sir! Wonder if you can get a sports horse and trap....
You mean like a Type-Rmish ..!
Hehe, nice one!
You shouldn't worry about making slightly controversial videos! As always, your information is presented in a balanced, logical way and people may bring up counter-arguments but anyone that rages because you have a different opinion which you have fully justified isn't worth the time worrying about! Love the content, best motorcycle TH-camr!!
Thank you Patrick - appreciated!
I think the younger biking population like owning one because it is sort of the classic bike they think about growing up (I know I thought so growing up). They sound nice, they go quick and they generally look lovely. But only really applies to the 600cc bracket of bikes due to how expensive litre bikes are.
As for why people own the really powerful machines, I reckon it is a toss up between your point of ownership pride and the "doesn't want to grow up" adult. As you said, they are gorgeous machines, the Panigale in particular, so of course you feel a huge pride of ownership whenever you look at your bike or ride it. In contrast, there is that element of wanting to remain a youngster and being daring on the roads, which the litre bike cater for all too easily.
My personal opinion on the matter: owning a litre sports bike is like a rite of passage for any budding motorcyclist. You start off small on a 125cc for a while, maybe go for a 600cc for a few years until you get a nice job and insurance goes down because you're getting older. Then you finally decide to see what all the fuss is about and buy a litre bike. Sort of like the different stages of growing up, only it is more expensive and dangerous!
Great video MSF. Quite thought-provoking!
Cheers Matt - the question then is, once you've had the litre bike, do we all inevitably start working back towards a mid sized "sensible" machine???
TheMissendenFlyer Probably, back in the day litre bikes were far too heavy and handled poorly, these days 600~750cc are faster, lighter and handle far better. Although a Ducati V4 will probably be hard to resist ;-)
No, we get a monster with a comfy riding position like an SA S. A lot of the performance also comes from the rider and on the road, the powerful adventure bikes are often better than sports ones as they can deal with the crappy surfaces.
Well I didnt start on a 125, I went straight to a 800cc Monster. Now I kinda feel like I skipped most of the "growing up" and with it half the fun. But still its only 75hp so atleast in that aspect I have not gone overboard yet :D
I'm in that exact situation, started on a 125cc and I am now looking for a 600cc sportbike. The bike will not be a daily commuter it will be a weekend/track toy (call me a pansy but riding a bike in heavy rain/snow is not my idea of fun) , like most kids I grow up seeing the Moto GP and seeing guys on the sportsbikes and we all want that, seeing an R6/R1 when I was 10 was like seeing a Lamborghini, I had a poster on my wall and everything.
I'd look at liter bikes but like you said they are way too expensive and insurance is a joke so for the time being I will stick to the 600cc bikes, plus for me at least the last generation R6 is one of the best looking bikes ever made so I am more than happy to be on that for a while.
I want a sportbike mainly for the looks and performance, I am big into cars but you need to be a millionaire to get the same performance as an R6 and to drive anything remotely fun and quick it's double the price of the bike and triple the insurance.
I'm your age and I picked up the Speed Triple this summer precisely because it's easy on my surgically repaired back and the torque is so evenly spread out. Allows me lots of smiles at lower rpms.
I saw the decline of sit up/normal motorcycles from the 70s, 80s through to the 90s and must admit I went through a bit of a crisis as to what to buy back then, I had a sports tourer type which wasn't too bad ( zzr600) then I fell in love with a zx7r I saw and hastily bought it, what a mistake. For me it's all about comfort and I just couldn't get on with it at all and sold it within a month, moving over to a Suzuki 1200 bandit which I kept for years, even buying a second one because it suited me that well. I'm glad to see a huge comeback of so many street bikes available today, and yes I ride one, a street triple rs, it gives me all the sport bike fun I need. I still like looking at sportsbikes though after all they are beautiful machines- I just can't ride them because they are not comfortable for me.
Sports bikes are great on the track but real world riding they really are not that great, pot holes, speed humps, head down arse up, weight on the wrists, sore neck.
Naked bikes are really just much more comfortable and practical as you said and not that much less horse power but much more real world power and I think actual quicker on the road than a sports bike.
My 99' ZX6 was a great super sports bike back in the day but now it has no fairing, different bars to now be a naked bike and it so much better for the road.
In the sports bike crouch it is more the sensation of speed rather than real speed, the lower you are to the ground the faster it feels, so I found over the years
I actually prefer the sportbike riding posture to an upright.. But hey whatever works for you.. Personally I cannot stand naked bikes or uprights. It's sportbike or nothing for me. No Cruisers no nothing they just dont do anything for me. And before you call me a young squid I'm a 46 year old biker that has been riding since 1980. I ride it more like a sport tourer but still prefer to ride a sportbike over anything else..
So in a cruiser you feel really fast? Average seat heights are from 23-25 in...
I bought a BMW S1000XR after 13 years without a bike, the one before was a ZXR 600 used for commuting in all weathers in the UK. Since moving countries, riding is a luxury hobby on weekends, 400 - 600km rides. When I was testing bikes a sales guy said buy one that when you get off and look back at it, you say to your self I'm so glad I bought that.... Its each to their own to what everyone likes and gets a kick from. My first bike was a Yamaha FS1E I used for school, I still remember that one day I'd own a sports bike. Its what dreams are made of...
Whatever keeps that smile on your face, life is short have fun. Great reviews on this chanel, thankyou for all the work you put into them they are very much apreciated.
Glad you enjoy it!
Yes totally agree, it's not about practality its about how it makes you feel and love!
Thank you for another great video. I'm actually trying to answer this question myself. I wanted a Panigale 3 years ago. I said to myself "no, it's stupid, dangerous and useless on the road. Stop it". Last year i bought a Scrambler after trying the Panigale three times ! The scrambler is the most fun i think i could ever have on a motorcycle. But....yes, there's a but. Every 2 or 3 months, this beauty of a bike comes back to my mind. I can't get it out. And if i see one, i almost need to go to therapy to accept that it is not a good idea to get the 899. But with that said, last week i've sold the Scrambler. I decided that if i don't get one know, i probably never will. So, let's see what will happened next :)
you know it makes sense! When the original Panigale first broke cover I knew I had to have one one day as it was so darn gorgeous! ....but I couldn't get over the pointless/dangerous thing, the 899 just made that silly idea just sensible enough for me to go and get one :0) ...and I love it....
let's hope i can share the experience of owning one pretty soon ;) Thanks for the inspiration TMF !
Books_VS_Cigarettes I have the exact same mental problem as you, I know I will hate the ride position ( I have tested one) but every time I see a picture I start looking them up on auto trader, please post if you get one as I really want to know how you get on with it
The Incredible Sulk I will ;)
Yes its not a rationale thought process that's why last week I got a 1299s panigale to go with my Mvagusta 750s F4 ,Honda VFR 800 vetec and KTM 390 Duke remember you only live once no regrets enjoy it.
I agree with your points, from a performance perspective there's way too much power than you need. I'm no longer young nor am I a knob out on the bike, I have an rsv4 and I wanted it because of what it sounds like. I'm going to Spain later this month on the bike so I wanted to get something more practical to do the trip, I bought a BMW S1000rr. I guess you pays your money and takes your choice. It's about what you like and how it makes you feel. Having said all that I have been looking at a triple black GS so old age is def creeping up :)
I really enjoy all of your videos and point of view on most things. And this video is so spot-on that I just had to comment and tell you so. Maybe, like you, I have also become an old-fart in my thinking. But I think maybe it's more that with our years has come a bit of wisdom as well. Pride of ownership can also come from a small, slower bike, not to mention tremendous fun... as the saying goes, it's much more fun to ride a slow bike fast, than a fast bike slow. Right now I have a little Suzuki TU250X that I have modded into a cafe/bobber, and it is a blast to ride, looks great, is practical and economical, and gets admiring glances. It is safe and does not encourage me to do something stupid. I can't imagine having more fun on a bike, and I have no desire for anything "faster".
Thanks Mike - really glad we concur, I think the wisdom of the older generations is something we should take more notice of!! - all the best - TMF
I agree, I love my Panigale also and always own sportsbike and will continue as long as I can ride
Another good video. Totally agree with both parts. I bought a 1299 in 2016,without a test ride. Just wanted one on looks alone. Loved the bike, and the special feeling you got when you rode it. After a couple of years I was I was aching if I did over 100 miles on it. Bit of a bugger coz I sometimes do 3 times that. I borrowed a supersport s while the 1299 got serviced. So much better to ride on the twisty bumpy roads I ride on. Did nearly 150 miles before I took it back. No aches or pains. Went home thought about it for a bit, eventually rang the dealer and did a deal in 20 minutes on the phone. Had the supersport 18 months now, brilliant bike for the roads I ride on. I always bought the fastest crazy bike, but now realise you don't need 200 hp the put a smile on your face.
Very true....thanks for watching.
I'm 55 & rode a GSXR 750 every day for 3 yrs. I found the bike to be very comfortable but I do keep my core strong & am in good shape. I recently sold it & am now on a Harley Sportster which is comfortable & fast enough to have fun on the streets. I do miss the GSXR power & handling. You can have a blast on a Ninja 250 on the street. Supersport so are truly the best at the track. If you own one I highly recommend doing some track days, there you will appreciate it more for what it's made for.
I agree with you. I love my XR but it's just too much power for the road, you can't use all that power without getting into trouble. I've enjoyed a year on it but currently replacing it with a GS Rallye, still a ton of fun and more practical for what I am using bikes for.
I love jumping on my bike an go out with my friends on a breakfast run
Having feedback in a corner is huge for me, only a sportsbike gives you that. Aerodynamics, looks, speed, brakes, engine design, they are all epitomized on sportbikes.
Most of us ride because we just want to and for the way it makes us feel. Sport bikes are what attracted me to riding, but I ride a semi naked because I like how it looks and how easy it is to service. Like you, I just like seeing it in the garage and I just feel good riding it, especially on long road trips.
I think the buying public has already answered this question. As you said, the sales of sports bikes have been in decline for years. Modern sports bikes only really exist to homologate for racing and as such are seriously compromised as road bikes. Having said all that, if you can afford one as a second bike for a Sunday raz or track day, why not?
Well there's the danger...but other than that - exactly!
I commute on mine and I have a naked but choose the sports bike most days just because it’s fun
Hi Flyer. I'm not a sports bike fan but love the fact that the sports bike world developes technology for brakes handling etc. Then that tech filters down to other bikes in the future
Inded - a good argument intself...
Yet another excellent vid Mr Flyer, as I type I am on my way to pick up my R1200RS after it's service. My RS is used everyday during the week for commuting to London, a 120 mile round trip. I find it to very very versatile and easier to use in heavy London traffic than say a R1200RT, for the journey I do a naked bike would be uncomfortable as I am on fast roads such as the M25 and M11. The bike is also in use at weekends for ride outs and will get its first track day next week. The bike is also fully kitted for touring when not in commuter mode, it is very rare I do not get comments from car drivers in London as to how the bike looks and questions regarding speed. Yes it is a fats bike, not as fast as some sports bikes. However for me it is a great all rounder, I will be getting the 2018 model in October😊. Keep up the great work.
I think my Honda CBR500R is a perfect mixture of speed without being insanely over the top, super comfortable and great handling, amazing gas mileage and a very beautiful bike too. It seems to be good at most any type of riding, city highway, back roads.
When I saw the title of this video, I kind of knew where you would probably go with it. I was thinking of making a similar video a few months ago myself, and I still may. But I agree with you. I ride a big ole fat, loud Harley with a HUGE engine in it. The 110 CI / 1802 CC Screamin' Eagle engine to be exact. And I have tuned aftermarket pipes on it and it is extremely loud! I hear sport riders say we are compensating for a lack of this or that, but the same could be said for them on liter bikes screaming up and down the interstates at speeds way over 100 MPH. But the reason I ride what I ride is just as you described. A huge sense of pride in how I feel when I ride it. As for, do we need it? I once knew a lady who needed a Porsche. She didn't care if it was new or old, but she had to have a Porsche. People said she was crazy and that any old car would get her where she wanted to go, but I knew exactly what she was talking about. And she got her Porsche eventually. But I love my bike. Years ago, when I lived in Spain, I rode a Kawasaki KZ700. It was no where near as fast as some of the other bikes, but it would do over 100 MPH and it was fun in the twisties and fast off the line. Fun for the city and fun on the back roads. I loved it! Then I came back to the states and rode other bikes, but my son bought a Kawasaki Z1000 and I think I drove it as much as he did! That bike was exhilarating and terrible all at the same time! I ride my Harley because it is fun and I love the way it makes me feel. No compensating, just purely fun! It's not, "do we need it?" It's more like, "does it put a huge smile on your face?"
That is exactly the point - I would argue though that we all need to put a huge smile on our face (especially at these times we find ourselves living in)....
The argument is the same for many 'Luxury' goods; why buy a Rolex when all you need is to be able to know the time? If you are fortunate to be able to afford something which makes you feel good then why not buy it; you only have one life to live so why mot make it as enjoyable as possible; indulge yourself as long as it is not to the detriment of others. Love the Ducati here speaks a envious sole; good luck and be safe.
Yes you are of course right Paul but with Sports-bikes there is danger involved - I have no issue if someone wants to go out and seriously injure or kill himself (we're all adults, we know the risks), it's when others get impacted I have the problem with. A Rolex is unlikely to hurt anyone else :0)
No hate or negativity from me, I agree with everything you said. Love your videos too, they've really helped me to choose my future bike.
Thanks Tony...very kind of you
Started riding in 1971. Eventually had a Blade and an R1. Recently bought a 765R Street Triple and love it. Only thing putting me off another superbike was cost of insurance etc. Don't really do enough miles to justify cost. Tight Yorkshire man 😊
Fair enough!
I'm 19, just did my A2 have been riding 125' for about 2 years now. jumping on the 48hp bikes, they're as quick as a 160hp turbocharged cars. and it's just plenty of power, i don't think i'd need more than that. but I LOOOVE the looks of the older Fireblade (the one before the 2017 model) and the z1000. but 160 or 190hp is just waay too much in my opinion.
I'm also more for the looks than the power
Not everyone has access to racetrack but for skilled riders the streets are the best way to showcase one's skills and enjoy the best of your sportbike by filtering through the traffic and then speeding on the open highway. Its good to have some more power on tap when you need it.
I owned a 749 for over 10 years and, like you say, Ducatis always draw a crowd, people stop and talk, admire, ask questions (I've noticed the same phenomenon with dogs sometimes actually). But the truth is, it was a demanding ride - you had to commit to make it worthwhile. I got an old CBR600F as a second bike and discovered, after years with a supermodel, that it was the plain girl that's captured my heart. That CBR is a genius do-it-all bike. And I'm faster, smoother, better on it than I ever was on the 749. And it's comfortable when you need it, it has enough of a fairing to make distance bearable (for me, windblast is a big minus for nakeds), and it's stupid fast too, if you need it. Just posted a couple of onboard vids on my channel.
Nice one - cheers for that....
Age plus power less experience determines how quickly one is the first to the scene of an accident.
Completely agree withy you TMF - I had a 2008 R1 and loved the look, it rode amazingly however it was so rare that I could really use the performance, so sold it and got a Street Triple (standard) and really love it, perfect for me
I feel you man. I got that same special feeling riding a 959
Firstly, thanks for this vid. I think it's an important question and one which all bikers can learn a lot by considering.
In my humble opinion, after quite a few years of riding bikes and looking back over this time, I feel I've learnt so much by owning and riding many different bikes - 50s, 125s, classic Brit bikes, 70s Japanese bikes, middleweights, supersports, litre sports, sport's tourers, track bikes, supermotos, trail bikes, trials even. The greater the numbrr of experiences, the greater the learning. And also the realisation that the learning never ends! I would say try them all, if you're so inclined, and enrichen your riding experience. Maybe just take your time working up to that litre sport's bike...
Good advice I reckon! Cheers...
Because the Micra was in the workshop to get some bashes taken out ( I see lots of people crashing) I was forced to take my GS out for a toddle. Whilst parked up for 34 th comfort stop of the day (it's an age thing) a sparkly S1000RR parked up next to me complete with Power Ranger on board. He pulled off his lid and we started chatting. He was 73 and waiting on delivery of his new RR! Respect!
Nice one - was he a fellow Micra driver?
TheMissendenFlyer unlikely Sir!
Good vid as always mate, and an interesting point too. There's no doubt that most of us mere mortals will never ride a sportsbike (or many other bikes for that matter) anywhere near their limits on the road, but as you said, it's all about how the bike makes you feel. I love my sportsbikes, but must admit as time has ticked by, I'm now a full on big naked/adventure bike convert. However I still could see me having something like the new Gixxer, RSV4, Norton V4 RR, or new V4 Panigale sititng in the garage for those days when you need your bollocks tickled! ;-)
Not sure about having my testicles tickled but I do agree variety is the spice of life (hence my sports bike, adventure machine [sorry!], naked funster and off-roader....) - let's face it motorcycles are just darn fun and cool things to ride....Good to have you along as ever sir!
I agree with you and understand your reasoning, pride of owning a what is in your or anybody elses eyes a magnificent steed is uppermost in our minds wben we purchase , we all or most get that excited feeling going to pick it up for the first time and i love throwing a leg over my bike for the same reason it just happens not to fall squarely in the sport category for me.
I love the look , sound of sports bikes (bmw for me) just feel a waste to not use them as designed , so track only with the possibility of trashing it 🤤.
Interesting question though 👍
Definitely a pride of ownership and appreciation of a fine motorcycle. Just having my bikes in the garage is a constant feel good factor and riding them is the icing on the cake.. its a hobby, a passion and it keeps me going when im at work having a crap day 😉
100% with you on that....
Just bought a Ducati Multistrada 1200S and definitely feel the same pride of ownership you talk about. It's ludicrously fast but with some paniers my wife and I can go on trips together. I owned a speed triple prior and just couldn't bring myself to buy another bike I knew would be hurting my ass after 100kms and have no ability to use it for getaways and things. The Multi has outsold all other Ducatis, and I can see why. If you can have it all, why compromise? Nice video mate, glad you decided to upload.
Thanks Trav - I've not been as blasted as I thought I was going to be (yet!) :0)
And then there are people who thinking a 390 Duke is too much for India.. but its all up to the rider in the end.
Just changed my GSXR750 to a S1000XR for many of the reasons you mention in your video. The XR is an awesome machine but my hart already misses the Gixer.. However, my back doesn't..
Hi there dude your right but it's nice to have it there if you want it ,will be looking forward to your Ducati tests in the future as I hear that they may be coming soon as I mentioned your channel to somebody at Silverstone last month and they said it's already in hand 😉
Really? How interesting....wonder who that was...it is true, I am talking to Ducati UK but nothing certain yet....
Last year I had the same thought,told the wife I'd trade the Hyabusa for something more practical ,yeah right I now own a ZZR1400 I think once you've had the most less is hard to settle for.Keep up the good work love the videos.
Cheers Howard, and send my regards to your brother Mike.....
Good call TMF.
For me I think it's something to do with the anticipation of ownership, which starts with reading up about new models, watching and reading road tests, taking delivery, almost being in awe of the acceleration to start with and when I feel am used to that I sell them in the interests of self preservation!! I have had a CBR1000RR08, 1198S09, 84809, S1000RR11, Panigale1199S12. My favourite was the 1198S as it had bags of torque and was ironically the most satisfying to ride at all speeds due to its character yet the others seemed boring unless they were significantly over the speed limit. Great bikes on the track I agree but that proved a hassle for me with getting the time along with the right weather conditions. I have an R1200GSA LC for my daily 80 mile commute which is quick, as you know, a MG V97 conversion (850cc) that gives great satisfaction within the speed limits and an R9T Racer which quick and great fun around the speed limit.
High speed riding on a clear road is all well and good but it only takes is an animal to run out .......
The other thing is that the price of sports bikes seems a lot higher than a few years ago so that has kept me away from them.
Agreed all round Guy - ride safe my friend!
From your recent videos it's apparent riding in the UK is congested and over-regulated. This limits the potential for 'fun' significantly unless you head far from the madding crowds. Here in Canada and the Pacific Northwest, there are considerably more opportunities to ride enthusiastically with less of the traffic constraints once off the beaten track, but in the cities the same problems exist. Sales of sport bikes have also shown a notable decline is recent years, but I believe this is more due to the changing demographics than other factors. 'Back in the Day' before 100+ HP and decent suspension became mainstream, sports were the only machines to offer the rewarding performance we craved. But now we can tick most of the boxes without the need to regular chiropractry. You are right though, most sports bikes are things of beauty.
Cheers Chris - another reason to leave Blighty for sunnier and less crowded shores!!
I've got 4 bikes, a Triumph T160 Trident, a Ducati 900ss, a Harley Davidson Electraglide UltraClassic and a Ducati 959 Panigale. At different times they all become "favourites". The Harley and the Panigale couldn't be more different, but they both make me feel good. In many ways the Harley is harder to ride than the Panigale, but that's part of its charm. One is the USS Enterprise, the other a Eurofighter.
Interesting point for me is that I tend not to keep 4 cylinder bikes, I certainly find them harder to keep sane on!
Yes me too - in fact I've only ever owned one four cylinder machine!
I don't have a litre bike, I have a Daytona 675, but I have it for the same reasons you talked about. it's pride of ownership and I prefer the look of sports bike. It's not the most comfortable bike to ride for a long journeys but it's not a mode of transport, it's purely a weekend toy to enjoy. every time I open my garage door it gives me the biggest smile and brightens up any day.
Exactly - and what's wrong with that!
Horses for courses mate. One man's poison is another man's cure...we all have different tastes and concepts about all bikes.
I like sports bikes for the sheer exhilaration of acceleration and speed. I'm now looking at FireStorms and V-Stroms atm, but I am in my 60's. If I had the money, the new GSXR 1000 would be my choice.
...those new Suzukis are incredible machines...
Yeah, I think they only need a brake change if used on the track.
I've got a Z1000 and it's definitely true that it's way over the top for road use and has more power than can ever be used away from the track. It's not practical because luggage is a complete pain and the pillion seat makes Mrs C's legs go numb. It makes absolutely no sense and that's part of the reason I love it. I also have a CB500X that I can use with luggage and a pillion but the Z is to go to bike for fun.
A very good argument, well and fairly presented. Yes, of course you are right, but... well you said that as well.
I bought a sport bike because of the shivers I get shooting down my spine when I’m hitting 16k RPM.
I've been a sports bike rider for many years now. But then comes the age thing ..... yep I'm fifty now , so I traded my beloved zx10r , which I had for nearly thirteen years and went for a Beautiful Mv agusta dragster 800 rr.
Now I enjoy riding without pain in my legs , back and wrist , lol.
Rediscovered the joy of riding again and she looks gorgeous too.
..and a relatively rare machine - love those things...enjoy!
Great vid as always. It's good to talk bikes with a bit of education and interesting thoughts. Not that often the case. I thank you for that.
Thank you Didier....
You're honest TMF. I respect the reasons you admit to having a sportsbike. The truth of the matter is, that's probably why most people have sport bikes but few would admit to those reasons.
Thank you James, very kind of you to say so!
I completely get your pride of ownership thing and the other points you make that's what I love about owning my bikes.
Glad we concur!
I've had sportsbikes (R6, Fireblades, Ducati 1098, S1000RR, GSXR750/1000) for 20+ years but 2 years ago I was going onto the motorway slip road, max revs in 1st gear and I could have got banned. In 1st. On the motorway! So I've switched to naked 700cc ish bikes that allow you to have fun at all speeds. I think every bike lover needs to own a litre+ sportsbike a least once in their life but in reality naked is more fun!
Deputy DD same for me after 20 years now on a 50bhp supermoto and it's fantastic most fun bike I've ever had!
Yes your probably right I now have a 05 Honda Blackbird at one point had two an 08 but sadly got knocked off. I did have three Blackbirds at one point. Since then I've an BMW R1200RS bit slower and clunky but very nice to ride and I use it more often than the Bird. Must be old man syndrome I'm 66..lol
All the best Bob Hancock
Cheers Bob....
I own two large bikes. A BMW R1100RSL (1993 230,000km) and a 2001 Ducati 900 SS. The Beemer is the perfect cross between sport and tourer IMO and it gives me immense pleasure riding it both commuting and doing 800+km days touring. It punts quickly enough for me and is just IT. I have owned it for 22 years and put about 225,000 of those 230,000 k's on it. The Ducati is a different story though. I agree wholeheartedly with you about owning a duke and it giving an amazing sense of ownership pride. It just looks and sounds right. A work of visual and audible art. My 900SS has another purpose for me though. It was my younger brother's bike and I bought it from him just before he passed away from cancer. I have it as a tribute to him and ride it in his memory. I have a tribute to him on it "Dave's Ducati, in Paul's care". It also carries a tribute to Dave's son Zane who rode a dirt bike and passed away from a heart condition at 11.
...sounds like a pretty special bike...thanks for telling us about it - all the best - TMF
Well, I guess a hornets nest has been stirred. I've been riding for 54 years now, (work that out) got married on a 1958 BSA Super Rocket, had a lot of sports bikes in my time, but now I have only two in the stable an FJR1300 and an MT09 Tracer both of which I can ride all day long day after day. Last week I had a test drive on a KTM 1290 Super Duke R . O.M.G !!! On returning the bike back to the dealer after 3 hours I thought this is the bike will not help the sale of sports bikes at all. I think young blokes up to the age of 60 will still buy them of course, but after that mate, we oldies just cant hold that riding position for long, so they're just a great memory.. a bit like sex I guess :)
Oh dear!!! That last comment has really depressed me...:0(
That's why you take an SA S for a test ride, most of the craziness of the SDR when you want it, but with shed loads more comfort - heated seats too if sir and/or madam so desire. :)
Its a common effect of age. The man is atleast 70 years old what do you expect?
It's a no boner, I mean a no brainer.....
That pun was bloody awful... I love it!
Yes. Agree with both your points on the panigale. Its the same reason I still own my rsv4 (6 years now). But, to add.... Before I owned owned rsv4 I had a hypermotard (I have another one now ironically so I do own as ducati as well!) I started going to the TT. The year I went on the hyper any run over the mountain it ran out of steam (tops out at 135). The rsv4 is perfect. I have a week of essentially being able to learn to ride it to the best of my ability. I'm no racer but its a question of the right tool for the job! and the rsv4 (for me is perfect) for that job.
Get your hands on a Versys 1000! I'm leaning towards that bike in particular, "too much" power, great comfort.
Don't do Kawasaki's I'm afraid....no local dealers willing to let me have a go :0(
I got very lucky with my first motorcycle...kind of random - 2009 ST3R. picked it solely based on looks and the fact it was "only" 600cc. There was a point that the Daytona drew me in to wanting to trade in for one but I realized I already have the perfect motorcycle. In the future I will probably upgrade to a newer model for some of the fancy electronics and ABS but for now I will stick with the '09 and maybe supplement with a DRZ for trail riding... :D thanks for the good videos.
I can't argue with anything you said or add much to it, pretty logical on a topic where purchasing decisions aren't always logical.
+PistolPete63 :0)
Great view points from both sides of the argument. The answer is one needs multiple bikes!
+Bowen Leigh That's certainly my answer! Cheers - TMF
Same thing could be said for cars. Ferrari 812 has 800bhp, totally unnecessary as are some of the new 'hot hatches' which regularly have over 300bhp. People will also want the latest things in life and as long as manufacturers make them they will sell them, after all they want to make money. I agree with you it is all about want you want. I can not afford to go out and buy what I want, I have save up for months on end, but then it is my pride and joy.
Most vehicles nowadays are way too powerful for the roads, but they are a lot safer than they were in the 60's,70's 80's etc... Is driving a 1960's car without all the modern safety features like seat belts,ABS more or less dangerous than It is to drive a modern supercar? It is difficult to say how fast is too fast, it is the rider who is in control and they are solely responsible for their actions.
I love super bikes for the looks and style but also for their history. Really interesting question and I have enjoyed reading the replies.
True - but at least with the high end car exotica you are a bit less likely to kill yourself - but the same desire thing is at play for sure....thanks for watching and for stopping by! - TMF
I'm not sure why people make the comment that sports bikes are too fast or impracticable. My first bike was a 320cc R3 and was capable of hitting over 170kph, true it was a sports bike, but it was low powered, my point being that you can go fast on any bike. The thing with being a motorcyclist is that you have to have a mature head on your shoulders; an immature, irresponsible rider will get into far more trouble on a KTM Duke 200 than a mature, responsible rider will on an R1. So I would argue that it is the rider that is potentially too fast for the road, not the bike. The practicability really depends on what you want from the bike; if you want to tour on it then sure an 1199 Panigale probably isn't the wisest choice, however I regularly go for rides along the coast on my CBR600RR with friends and stop for a coffee, for that use it is completely practical; I also commute on it sometimes which makes the journey to and from work something to look forward to, rather than a mundane experience. So I really think there are too many variables in people's lives to say there is no place for sports bikes, some people love them, some hate them, but one thing is for sure.....damn they're beautiful!!
Great video, as always! I totally agree with you. I am on the front end of the demographic you described, and I wanted something a little more comfortable while not giving up too much performance...so the Street Triple fit the bill nicely for me.
I certainly appreciate the beauty and capabilities of the super sport line, but would only add one if I suddenly had enough time to spend at the track to really get the most out of it.
Thank you for the great content, cheers!
Thank you David for the kind words and for stopping by - TMF
I had sports bike and just found now that they were generally to fast for the road, had a few closes ones with the officers of the law. Latest was the Ducati 959 and just found it hard work...favourite sports bike of all time was the S1000RR. Anyway finished with them now , so got myself a wee Thruxton R.....perfect for the road and loads of fun.
(1) Fun ! (2) Can be without a certain amount of discipline, but just about any kind of bike can be too fast too easily irrespective of engine capacity (3) Yes, although it is not as much fun (4) Great handling when the surface is good, not so much when it isn't. I always had sports bikes when I was younger - for the handling, tried a Naked when I got older & did not like the lack of feeling in the front end, so now as a quite old rider still enjoy riding a sports bike again. Only thing I don't like about sports bikes on the road is lack of rear vision. Comfort is fine if that is what you are used too.
It's nice to have so much power on tap, to have the the equivalent car performance you would have to spend near 100 grand. Like a Swiss watch you probably won't dive to 300m but it's nice to know you can !
True!
Nice piece! Like you, I've got different bikes because of the love for them. But my daily driver and the one I sit on first is my ZZR 14! Even though it's hard to stretch its legs, I do from time to time. But when I open the garage, the 1299 is the one I marvel at in its beauty. My two up, is the K16 GTL..
Nice collection!
TheMissendenFlyer thanks mate!! Maybe someday we will do a track day together!! I'm in Barnes
Love the defocussing of the camera on the speedo at higher speeds (Y)
I agree with all your comments on this TMF. You pay your money and make your choice like any other non essential purchase. If it makes you happy and you can afford it go ahead.
If you are just a sunny day blaster for a couple of hours the comfort factor is not really an issue but if you do some proper touring miles these are definitely not the right machine for the job, but there is a massive choice out there that are.
Naked bikes are best all rounders. nothing boring about that :) They look great, they are so nice to ride in town and power is more than enough for most riders. I would only consider getting a sport bike or Harley as a second bike. I am keeping naked as number 1 forever.
I think you're right - they're certainly a specialist item. Trouble with the adventure segment is that all the manufactures seem to think they need litre-plus engines and mega horsepower. If there was a sub-litre sports tourer other than the Honda VFR800 (too old, too heavy) and the Ducati SuperSport (too expensive in NZ) that would probably be my one do-it-all bike choice. All that being said - I'm loving my Street Triple!
How about the MTS 950 or Tiger 800's?? I know they are a bit "adventure" styled but mostly I bet people use them for touring (like the GS)....
agreed on many points there. No actual need for them on the road.. but they look awesome. The performance can be had on other types of bikes with loads more practicality.
I do think some people just have them to willy wave. Matching leathers of course...
Ok, I'm 55 years old and sold my gpz 1100 when my daughter was born April 29 1992.
I stopped by a friends dealership on a whim and just walked back to the warehouse to look at vintage bikes.
I saw a really small bike that looked like jewelry. So I sat on it and rocked the suspension.
2012 white 848, 140 hp. Ya can't resist it when you can afford it.
angus kangus that's the day I was born and my father too is 55..Are you my dad...haha just kidding...my father too likes motorbikes just as you do..stay happy
Great video Mr Flyer as always. Let's be honest we don't really need bikes, when cars can be bought so cheaply like Kia, Dacia and are generally reliable. For city communiting a small capacity bike would be sufficient. However we watch this channel because we love bikes! So therfore we should buy what ever our hearts desire :)
Agreed! ...and thanks for the kind words...
I finally decided at age 58 that sports bikes weren't ideal, and it was only by chance I had that revelation. I'd taken my compromise sports bike, a Suzuki SV1000sz in for an MOT, and took a Triumph Tiger 800 out for a test ride to fill in the time. It was comfortable, easy to ride slow, and was quite quick too, so two years ago I became the owner of my Tiger 800XRx. I'd still have a sports bike though, if I could justify more than one bike to the boss!
...good choice though, I love the baby Tiger....(stay tuned, more on that bike to come later in the year!)....
I totally agree with your comments and thanks for posting it - naked bike are definitely filling the market need for us middle age folk for all round enjoyment but there is also undoubtedly the point of having something rather special in the collection if you are fortunate enough to be able to afford it. Fair analysis and a sound one in my humble opinion. I do think though though some of your reviews of late are becoming less neutral and critical than they could be - whether that is due to not wanting to upset the dealers or not i am not sure. Hard to pin specifics but its feels like it sometimes ....
Sorry about that - show me a bad new bike and I'll happily say so! We are spoiled at the moment, great time to be buying a new machine....
Same as owning a Ferrari pretty impractical but.. POWER. I like street naked bikes as I own one, more practical but still loads of fun.
For me the issue for litre superbike ownership is the state of the roads, traffic, numpties (at junctions and roundabouts) and constant lower speed limits. I have brilliant roads near to me (A33, A339, A272, A31, A30, A4, B3400 etc) and lovely country lanes that just don't suit sports bikes. The highways agency puts down chippings and expect you to roll it in for them and you get gravel on the roads from tractors, rain washing etc. Not only that the A339 to Alton (to name just one) has many mahoosive potholes near the center line.
I’ve never owned a sportsbike (not so far anyway). I started in 1975 on two stroke dirt bikes and did a lot of enduro and green lane riding (even across Salisbury Plain). I then moved on larger capacity two strokes, British bikes (from the 60s and 70s) and more recently riding my Son’s Kawasaki ZX6R. I now own a Honda CB1300 (naked muscle bike). On local country roads (and some A roads) riding my Son’s sports bike is often like riding a road drill or dirt bike.
I love sports bikes and race bikes and have done since the early 60s. My Dad’s mate was a TT racer and I’ve visited and followed Moto GP, BSB and WSB since seeing Barry Sheene at Brands Hatch in 1976 (rode there from Hampshire). I get the passion, engineering excellence and beauty of them but think litre sports bikes are definitely a heart choice not a head one. Mind you I’d have one for the odd ride out.
I'm with you there, They are is a sense of ownership, also on the odd occasion it's immense fun to unleash the power. You don't get on the same feeling of that power on an Adventure style bike. Like you I own a BMW GS, and have just taken delivery of the new Ducati Supersport S, not a true sports bike - compared to the Panigale's - but in my mind a far more 'usable' bike day to day.
Yes I've not ridden the Supersport (yet) - I'd be very interested to see how they go....
It's a great point TMF. I love riding sports bikes. I love the way they look. I love they way they make me feel. However. 1000cc, 750cc and even 600cc IL4s all have more than enough performance for road riding. Even a 600cc twin can be more than is needed. The point you're making though is one I've been thinking about ever since I got my first big bike - a Suzuki GSF600-F. Compared to my car at the time felt like a rocket ship. Wasn't long before I had a ZX-7R (still my favourite all time bike to this day). After completing my first ever track day on the 7R I started thinking it was a bit much for the road. Then I tried an original R1 and terrified myself. This is where the head gets relegated and heart says, that 954 FireBlade looks quite nice... got one, terrified myself again (slightly less so than the R1, but still). Head came back and I traded it in for a Pan-European. Great bike, but didn't make me want to get up early on a Sunday morning. So I got another Fireblade (998) and then a K1300s. I still LOVE riding these bikes but their both like having the 2-wheeled equivalent of a Bugatti in the garage. Pointless. No one wants to be in an accident and no one wants to get jailed for exploring the shift light in any gear over 2nd (or even 1st in some cases), but although the head says no, the heart still skips when I'm walking out to the garage.That's what I like - it feels a bit naughty. The truth is - if people cannot control their speed, or rather they're not riding expecting that car that at a junction to pull out, they'll ride like that on any sized bike - any bike that can get to 100mph is more than enough to get you killed - David Holmes RIP.
In summary though, and to answer your question, yes - I think that sports bikes got powerful enough 20 yrs ago. The only caveat, albeit a small one, is the standard fitment of ABS and TC to bikes now. In some conditions they're safer to ride due the aids. BUT, riders feel more comfortable and just ride faster - no matter what your skill level, ABS, TC and an IMU are not going to do much to make other road users aware of you..
+Jme Be Thanks Jme Be - agreed all round...
I'm an old guy who bought a Pani 899 thinking, "This is a big mistake". Its a young mans bike. But I absolutely love it. Every ride is an occasion. Sometimes I go quick (270kmh, its flat out) but mostly I just love the sound (SC race exhaust) and the feeling of the bike.
+Dave Burke Seems like we think entirely alike on this one!
I completely understand where you are coming from with this video. I have a Street Triple R and a Yamaha R3, and in many respects the R3 is more fun to ride, especially in the twisties. There is a lot of fun to be had in riding a slow bike fast.
Completely agree - though in my case the Street Triple is the slow bike ;0)
Completely agree - though in my case the Street Triple is the slow bike ;0)
Completely agree - though in my case the Street Triple is the slow bike ;0)
For taking the autobahn to work everyday? I think daily sportbike riders enjoy the nimbleness, acceleration and such things that they cannot find at the same degree with other category bikes and they are willing to deal with the hard seats, riding positing etc. Its not the most reasonable option but we should be happy its allowed (for now). If we were all reasonable we wouldnt ride super nakeds and other fast GT's as well.
Insurance is hindering sports bike sales too. As a reasonably new rider with 22 years plus ncb on my car insurance, (firmly in the age bracket referred to, sadly....) I thought I'd just go out and treat myself to a GSXR 600. The lowest insurance quote I received was about £450 with a £575 excess which I felt was simply expensive. I opted for a much newer naked (Street Triple R) which I can insure for less than £300. I've no doubt that in time my hankering for a sports bike will return when I've accrued some motorcycle ncb.
Thanks TMF yet another good topic to watch. You're spot on it is pride of ownership or some people might describe as "willy waving". There are many things in life you do that don't always make sense but they make you feel good and why not, life is too short. I would never judge or try and school a person on their choice of bike that is personal to them. I only have issues with how a person might ride a bike if it puts other road users in danger. It would make a boring cafe stop if we all turned up on the same type of machine.
Very true - agreed all round....