I just ordered this little thing. Instant and accurate pacing is the primary reason I want this thing. I have the running pod and I like the additional metrics but you are correct Dave, I don't know what to do with the data.
Coros in general did not tell us what to do. They just assume all of us to be advance beginners. I saw my evolab metrics and went " Okayyy...and what do i need to do then. Run faster or slow down or what"
Thanks for the fast review- I am intrigued by the effort pace metric as a replacement for power. I did already order the new Stryd but I can see this as a useful lower cost addition for tread runners and better distance without all the training plans that Stryd gives.
What would be great is if this little pod had a GPS built in it and Coros made a watch that switches to using the pod GPS to save it's internal battery while paired to the pod 👍 throw in the rest of the metrics, because why not. Would be an awesome way to further increase the batter life in your Coros 👍
All these new metrics trying to tell us how tired we are and how fast/slow we should run on a hilly course are purely marketing made. If the hill is long enough so that you get tired, then just look at your heart rate and listen to your body. For reference, I used a Stryd for 2 years and came to the obvious conclusion: passed the honeymoon it is useless. I only kept the Stryd for pace accuracy and then dual band GPS made their grand entrance and bye-bye Stryd.
It's certainly not a one size fits all situation. Training by Heart Rate is great but there are use cases for other metrics... Maybe just not in your training!
9:40 The COROS website states "Add COROS POD 2 to your COROS app to pair with connected watches automatically." so i would assume the reason both watches showed the same pace and distance is because they both used the Pod?
@@ChaseTheSummit let’s say you wanted to have more accurate pace and distance while also wanting to view your running dynamic metrics. With the pod 2 it seems you can only choose 1 during a run depending on where you place it
It's similar to training by Heart Rate but the benefit is that it reacts much quicker than Heart Rate so that you can dial in your effort without the fluctuation and delay of your heart rate ramping up and down.
Hi. I run mostly trails. So there is a question. Does it support better distance accuracy in trail mode? Instant pace… well not so important. But temperature gives extra data. That’s nice. The altimeter of COROS vertix 2 is good enough for me. So… shall I buy?
I can only speak to the experience I had with the POD 2 in my own testing. From what I gathered in Ray's post/video is that his issues relate to the POD 2 being a close ecosystem and not a sensor other devices can utilize and the Effort Pace metric not being something the industry is going to adopt.
Agree with Ray on non standard but disagree on utility. I was in la ve with STryd untill I ran a marathon in Alphafly. It messed the distance (42.05) and instant pace.... it made me run faster, hence it was not nice at km 35. I need something shoe independent. My Pace 2 is accurate at recording distance but not so good at Instant Pace. Relying on feeling is not an option, I tend to over estimate myself every time after a taper.
Thanks Dave. Looks like a nice addition to improve the gps accuracy on the Pace 2 watch, and I will be curious how their effort metric evolves. Will pick one up, but given how I misplace things wish that toe clip was not translucent and the pod not “invisible” grey. 😀 on another note, do you plan a Peak Pro review? Curious what your thoughts are about the visibility of the new typography.
So if you have a multi band watch and you lose GNSS signals during a big city marathon does this Pod2 pickup those lost tracks and help you maintain accurate pace and distance? The whole reason I got a Stryd in 2018 was because I needed a non GPS device that would give me the best accuracy without the flaws of GPS. Now with multi band GNSS systems will this Pod2 make it even better in the event you so lose multi band signal? One of the biggest issues with Stryd is that it needs to be calibrated for different shoes and can be affected by different shoes and even different placements. This doesn’t make a huge difference in shorter races, but can add up for a marathon (too short or too long) which then affects your power, pace and distance metrics. I’ve been discovering this in recent months. So I’ve been testing a Garmin 955 multi band vs Coros pace2 + Stryd-and using measured maps as a control. They are very close, but those small deviations show up in the Stryd over long runs and really anything over 5K. Example- Nike Vaporflys under report distance and slower paces. NB fresh foam v4 More shoes over report distance and faster paces. This is all with calibration at 100% with perfect placement. This is a long comment and I love your videos Dave. I’m sure you can tell I value accuracy. And at the end of the day we have the course markers, lap buttons and hope to run the best we can. But if we can have technology help us reach our goals so we don’t have to think about our gear-that’s the best situation, at least for me. So if Coros is helping in that way I’ll use it. And then I can focus on what’s important, running and enjoying the journey. Just as long as I know how far that is…..exactly.
That's the idea behind the POD 2. In my testing it works to some degree to improve GPS tracks but what it really excels in is giving you correct distance/pace data when the GPS signal isn't very good.
COROS ditched the Running Power in the POD 2 shows they are not confident in their game anymore, and left the best of the market for Stryd. For me there's no reason to buy the CR POD 2 this year, I'm fine without all of my Garmin Pod, COROS POD 1, and now the POD 2 would be just the same. If I really want to wear something, I'd be the Stryd 2022. Thanks for your hands on video!
@@ChaseTheSummit I think they directly compete with Stryd with this COROS POD 2, but anyway Stryd can have secret contract with COROS building their POD 2, or else the relationship is pretty much compromised.
@@ChaseTheSummit I checked and indeed they have a lot of Running Power patents. The first patent for a running footpod device was belong to Nike but it expired (fun fact)
I'm curious if the Pod2 gives more accurate elevation gain/loss data than just using a watch. I've worn the Apex 46 (now the Apex Pro 46) since 2019, and have written to Coros many times about the altimeter not recording elevation gain on intermittent hilly sections. For example, I run down a 50 ft hill, don't stop at the bottom (no flat spots), and proceed up a 50 ft hill. After hitting the top, I keep running down again. If I run this without stopping, my watch may only record 25 ft of gain, and if I stop at the bottom and top of the hills for 10-15 seconds, it will record 50 ft. Coros told me all their altimeters (even the Vertix) recalibrate every 5 seconds, but I have found that it takes closer to 15 seconds to refresh my true gain or loss. Depending upon on how fast you go, the altimeter can easily miss the bottom and tops of hills. I've run with Garmin wearers that recorded 100 ft more of elevation gain on a 6 mile ( approx. 1000 ft of gain) loop. Anyway, I'd like to know if you have noticed any differences using the Pod2.
@@ChaseTheSummit Thanks for the response, Dave. Have you noticed the problem I mentioned? I'll be interested to see any further reviews you have on this pod.
how long does it take for pace to go down to zero when you suddenly stop? reason i got stryd was for instant pace and pace accuracy. i'm not satisfied with instant pace and wouldn't trust the data when doing short fast intervals like 200m intervals. also different shoes gives different measurements up to 30m/km in mine. hills? forget it. it feels like it overestimates uphill and underestimates downhill. stryd boasts that their new gen pod is 5x faster in picking up the pace but if coros pod 2 is as fast then it's the winner for me because of the price
Hard to tell but I used stryd many run before return it because I got + / - in distance if I run in different shoes.Don't forget you also get whole alot of data from Stryd pod like running power.
I was quite awe impressed that coros pace 2 measured same distance as did Vertix 2 in your comparison, I had to return pace 2 for its meh gps accuracy. Quite interesting though.
@@ChaseTheSummit I just watched Rays's (DC) video and it's quite opposite in his experience during his testing, seems Pod 2 messed GPS accuracy for him
Dave, You forgot to mention that the charging tool has actually a battery, similarly to the wireless earphones cases. Excellent review!
I certainly did.
I just ordered this little thing. Instant and accurate pacing is the primary reason I want this thing. I have the running pod and I like the additional metrics but you are correct Dave, I don't know what to do with the data.
Still using it? Considering getting it for instant pace for intervals but idk ?
I have the first pod. I got it, used it a few times, looked at the data, and went... "OK, now what?". So yeah, I don't know. 😀
Coros in general did not tell us what to do. They just assume all of us to be advance beginners. I saw my evolab metrics and went " Okayyy...and what do i need to do then. Run faster or slow down or what"
Maybe you can compare your shoes on how they affect your running data apart from just feeling difference in shoes. :)
It's more accurate for treadmill
Thanks for the fast review- I am intrigued by the effort pace metric as a replacement for power. I did already order the new Stryd but I can see this as a useful lower cost addition for tread runners and better distance without all the training plans that Stryd gives.
Super cool idea. Thanks. The pod is ordered
What would be great is if this little pod had a GPS built in it and Coros made a watch that switches to using the pod GPS to save it's internal battery while paired to the pod 👍 throw in the rest of the metrics, because why not. Would be an awesome way to further increase the batter life in your Coros 👍
Nonsense
Thanks Dave. I think the links to Coros POD 2 are incorrect, neither of them goes to the product page.
All these new metrics trying to tell us how tired we are and how fast/slow we should run on a hilly course are purely marketing made. If the hill is long enough so that you get tired, then just look at your heart rate and listen to your body. For reference, I used a Stryd for 2 years and came to the obvious conclusion: passed the honeymoon it is useless. I only kept the Stryd for pace accuracy and then dual band GPS made their grand entrance and bye-bye Stryd.
It's certainly not a one size fits all situation. Training by Heart Rate is great but there are use cases for other metrics... Maybe just not in your training!
9:40 The COROS website states "Add COROS POD 2 to your COROS app to pair with connected watches automatically." so i would assume the reason both watches showed the same pace and distance is because they both used the Pod?
Nope, I had manually removed the POD 2 from the Vertix 2 during that run.
@@ChaseTheSummit thanks for clarifying! :)
Are you are able to use both the pod 1 and pod 2 at the same time with your watch? (Pod 2 being on the foot while pod 1 being on the waist)
Maybe? I haven't tried it. Though, I don't know why someone would want to do that? lol
@@ChaseTheSummit let’s say you wanted to have more accurate pace and distance while also wanting to view your running dynamic metrics. With the pod 2 it seems you can only choose 1 during a run depending on where you place it
which watch are you wearing Dave?
Forerunner 955 in this video.
How would someone use running power with their training or is it just one of those things that is a neat metric to have?
It's similar to training by Heart Rate but the benefit is that it reacts much quicker than Heart Rate so that you can dial in your effort without the fluctuation and delay of your heart rate ramping up and down.
@@ChaseTheSummit cool thanks for that
Is it working with Zwift and Apple TV as a Pace Sensor?
Nope. Only compatible with COROS watches unfortunately.
Hi. I run mostly trails. So there is a question. Does it support better distance accuracy in trail mode? Instant pace… well not so important. But temperature gives extra data. That’s nice. The altimeter of COROS vertix 2 is good enough for me. So… shall I buy?
Yes, it provides better distance accuracy in any running actvitiy. Road, trail, treadmill, etc...
@@ChaseTheSummit oh…. Thanks a lot for info. So it’s even more interesting now.
$50😮
Can you use 2 pods at once ?
You could use Stryd + POD 2 on the same watch but I don't think you can pair two Pod 2's
@@ChaseTheSummit unless of course you have 2 coros watches 🙃
@@ChaseTheSummit can you use Stryd and the POD 2 simultaneously on the same watch?
New Google watch?
At some point!
Funny you say it makes everything more accurate, which is what Coros claims, but DC Rainmaker said it was a steaming pile of 💩.
Actually, the accuracy was great as noted in my video/post. It's the other aspects I have issues with.
I can only speak to the experience I had with the POD 2 in my own testing. From what I gathered in Ray's post/video is that his issues relate to the POD 2 being a close ecosystem and not a sensor other devices can utilize and the Effort Pace metric not being something the industry is going to adopt.
Agree with Ray on non standard but disagree on utility. I was in la ve with STryd untill I ran a marathon in Alphafly. It messed the distance (42.05) and instant pace.... it made me run faster, hence it was not nice at km 35. I need something shoe independent. My Pace 2 is accurate at recording distance but not so good at Instant Pace. Relying on feeling is not an option, I tend to over estimate myself every time after a taper.
Thanks Dave. Looks like a nice addition to improve the gps accuracy on the Pace 2 watch, and I will be curious how their effort metric evolves. Will pick one up, but given how I misplace things wish that toe clip was not translucent and the pod not “invisible” grey. 😀 on another note, do you plan a Peak Pro review? Curious what your thoughts are about the visibility of the new typography.
Peak Pro review is coming soon!
So if you have a multi band watch and you lose GNSS signals during a big city marathon does this Pod2 pickup those lost tracks and help you maintain accurate pace and distance?
The whole reason I got a Stryd in 2018 was because I needed a non GPS device that would give me the best accuracy without the flaws of GPS. Now with multi band GNSS systems will this Pod2 make it even better in the event you so lose multi band signal?
One of the biggest issues with Stryd is that it needs to be calibrated for different shoes and can be affected by different shoes and even different placements. This doesn’t make a huge difference in shorter races, but can add up for a marathon (too short or too long) which then affects your power, pace and distance metrics. I’ve been discovering this in recent months.
So I’ve been testing a Garmin 955 multi band vs Coros pace2 + Stryd-and using measured maps as a control. They are very close, but those small deviations show up in the Stryd over long runs and really anything over 5K. Example- Nike Vaporflys under report distance and slower paces. NB fresh foam v4 More shoes over report distance and faster paces. This is all with calibration at 100% with perfect placement.
This is a long comment and I love your videos Dave. I’m sure you can tell I value accuracy. And at the end of the day we have the course markers, lap buttons and hope to run the best we can. But if we can have technology help us reach our goals so we don’t have to think about our gear-that’s the best situation, at least for me. So if Coros is helping in that way I’ll use it. And then I can focus on what’s important, running and enjoying the journey. Just as long as I know how far that is…..exactly.
That's the idea behind the POD 2. In my testing it works to some degree to improve GPS tracks but what it really excels in is giving you correct distance/pace data when the GPS signal isn't very good.
The more instant pace would be great. This is a handy tool!
COROS ditched the Running Power in the POD 2 shows they are not confident in their game anymore, and left the best of the market for Stryd. For me there's no reason to buy the CR POD 2 this year, I'm fine without all of my Garmin Pod, COROS POD 1, and now the POD 2 would be just the same. If I really want to wear something, I'd be the Stryd 2022. Thanks for your hands on video!
I think the lack of Power is directly related to the relationship that COROS formed with Stryd a couple of years ago. But who knows!
@@ChaseTheSummit I think they directly compete with Stryd with this COROS POD 2, but anyway Stryd can have secret contract with COROS building their POD 2, or else the relationship is pretty much compromised.
@@tommyle628 Stryd has a patent on the whole "running power footpod" thing which makes it difficult for other companies.
@@ChaseTheSummit I checked and indeed they have a lot of Running Power patents. The first patent for a running footpod device was belong to Nike but it expired (fun fact)
I subscribed I watch see new apple watch series 8 and First google watch need good battery lives next videos you call man✌
Nice video, very interesting metric, thank you, great analysis like always.
I was hoping they were gonna drop a new watch.., but a new pod arrived instead.. I guess
does the pod give accurate pace on a treadmill at incline?
Pace yes, but it won't detect the incline.
Hi! Is it relevant to buy coros pace 2 in 2022? Or better to wait release of new model of pace model ?
Absolutely, Pace 2 is an awesome watch for the money.
Dave, how easy to change from one shoe to another? Is it a clip or do you need to remove laces to do it?
It's a clip and it's very easy to remove/attach and only takes a few seconds. Two clips are included in the box.
I'm curious if the Pod2 gives more accurate elevation gain/loss data than just using a watch. I've worn the Apex 46 (now the Apex Pro 46) since 2019, and have written to Coros many times about the altimeter not recording elevation gain on intermittent hilly sections. For example, I run down a 50 ft hill, don't stop at the bottom (no flat spots), and proceed up a 50 ft hill. After hitting the top, I keep running down again. If I run this without stopping, my watch may only record 25 ft of gain, and if I stop at the bottom and top of the hills for 10-15 seconds, it will record 50 ft. Coros told me all their altimeters (even the Vertix) recalibrate every 5 seconds, but I have found that it takes closer to 15 seconds to refresh my true gain or loss. Depending upon on how fast you go, the altimeter can easily miss the bottom and tops of hills. I've run with Garmin wearers that recorded 100 ft more of elevation gain on a 6 mile ( approx. 1000 ft of gain) loop.
Anyway, I'd like to know if you have noticed any differences using the Pod2.
That's the idea. Elevation change is measured by both the watch and foot pod and then averaged so in theory it should be more accurate.
@@ChaseTheSummit Thanks for the response, Dave. Have you noticed the problem I mentioned? I'll be interested to see any further reviews you have on this pod.
Would be interested to see if Apple Watch app is able to talk to it
Nope. Only compatible with COROS devices.
how long does it take for pace to go down to zero when you suddenly stop? reason i got stryd was for instant pace and pace accuracy. i'm not satisfied with instant pace and wouldn't trust the data when doing short fast intervals like 200m intervals. also different shoes gives different measurements up to 30m/km in mine. hills? forget it. it feels like it overestimates uphill and underestimates downhill. stryd boasts that their new gen pod is 5x faster in picking up the pace but if coros pod 2 is as fast then it's the winner for me because of the price
It sort of varies but I'd say 3-5 seconds?
i'd wait for the reviews of next gen strys then. thanks
I have a Garmin 945-would stryd pod be better compatibility and accuracy for pace and distance accuracy??
Thanks!
Hard to tell but I used stryd many run before return it because I got + / - in distance if I run in different shoes.Don't forget you also get whole alot of data from Stryd pod like running power.
Stryd or the Garmin RD pod are better choices for Garmin since this sensor is not compatible with other brands.
I was quite awe impressed that coros pace 2 measured same distance as did Vertix 2 in your comparison, I had to return pace 2 for its meh gps accuracy. Quite interesting though.
POD 2 certainly helps!
@@ChaseTheSummit I just watched Rays's (DC) video and it's quite opposite in his experience during his testing, seems Pod 2 messed GPS accuracy for him