Hey hey Mic! Thank you so much for checking out this video and commenting! I'm so glad you appreciate the format of the channel! Yea it definitely doesn't do me any favors with the algorithm, but that's something I'm willing to go against if it helps people find the answers they need and quickly. I'll continue to do my best with my reviews and content! Thanks again for stopping by! Stay safe, healthy, and I’ll see you in the next one!
Hey hey Phil! Thank you so much for checking out this video and commenting! So glad to hear you like the format of this channel! I will continue to do my best with my reviews and content! Thanks again for stopping by! Stay safe, healthy, and I’ll see you in the next one!
Here I am, after the intro - knowing this product is not right for me -, but watching on as this looks like a great video worth every second of my attention.
Thank you so much for this video. Ive been waiting for the longest time for a review that actually talks about the gimbal control. I hope they fix the issues with software updates. This gimbal is exactly what I want, but it just doesn’t seem great in practise.
Hey hey MJR07! Thank you so much for checking out this video and commenting! I'm so glad this video covered what you were looking for! Yea I hope their continue to improve their software as well. Aside from the slight beginning shakes, this could still be very valuable if it can move smoothly and in timing with the slider motor. Thanks again for stopping by! Stay safe, healthy, and I’ll see you in the next one!
So after using my weebil s in trajectory mode for a few hours, I think the motion issues you're having is because of the gimbal, not the slider. The moves just aren't repeatable, if you do the same move twice in a row, they're never exactly the same making visual effects very hard. I wonder how the Ronin fares.
Hey hey diceDiddy! Thank you so much for checking out this video and commenting! Definitely, I think for the most part the design of the slider needs to be more heavy duty with extra points of stability for the gimbal to counter the top end rocking. Thanks again for stopping by! Stay safe, healthy, and I’ll see you in the next one!
Fantastic and informative vid! Did you have to buy a control module to connect the weebil S to the app? Because for the Ronin S you have to buy the YC Onion Interlink Controller which costs $139
Hey hey Maria! Thank you so much for checking out this video and asking a question! No, the weebil S did not need a bluetooth module. I didn't realize when I made this video that the Ronin needed one (kinda weird right?) Hope this helps! Thanks again for stopping by! Stay safe, healthy, and I’ll see you in the next one!
Hey hey Jerry! Thank you so much for checking out this video and asking a question! You could either let your cameras AF system take over if its an easy tracking shot, or use a wireless follow focus like the one I reviewed recently (PD Movie Live Air 2). Sony cameras with an electronic lens, you can tap to pull focus if needed through the smartphone app. This is something I did when flying my gimbal on a steadicam rig in my other recent video about a 20min one take :D. Thanks again for stopping by! Stay safe, healthy, and I’ll see you in the next one!
Hey hey GroundBreaker Explore! Thank you so much for checking out this video and commenting! So glad you enjoyed this review! It's definitely a great concept, not perfect, but it could be perfected for sure! Thanks again for stopping by! Stay safe, healthy, and I’ll see you in the next one!
The company has been working on a pan tilt head for their upcoming chips 3.0. probably we will finally be able to have a proper motion control system available for the hotdog slider.
Hey hey Randall! Thank you so much for checking out this video and commenting! That's awesome to hear they are working on a proper Pan and Tilt! Hope they also work on a follow focus motor too! Thanks again for stopping by! Stay safe, healthy, and I’ll see you in the next one!
Awesome one review Jason, did you try tweaking the response speeds on the Weebill+S? I also have the Weebill-S and this seems like a great combo if you could just iron out that glitch. One thing I noticed on your video that the hotdog slider was bouncing up and down on the tripod based on the centre point. Can you dual-mount the slider on two stands/tripods?
Hey hey again Neil! I did tweak the settings in the Weebill, no dice unfortunately. I think the coding might be too basic with how it talks to the Gimbal. The interesting thing is that the gimbals speed and response was different depending if you were going from A-B vs B-A. Not sure why. Yup, the slider has a host of 1/4 and 3/8 mounting points for people us either use two stands or some slider tripod support arms. I feel for this price those support arms should be included like the Zeapon M800.
@@TLDR_filmmaker That's awesome man, thanks for getting back. Since the money isn't raining down on me at the moment (still limping from last year's lack of earnings) I won't be buying any slider yet, my budget is ranked to more audio gear first before cam stuff. However, thanks for sharing your thoughts. Hopefully, by the time I finally am in the position to buy something either Zeapon or YC Onion have come up with the totally best solution ev4h with silky butter smooth full autonomous AI subject tracking! ;-) ... or at least a slide and pan/tilt that's smooth enough to use in video applications.
Hey hey again Harry! There was a video card link right when I talked about the slider. I usually always do this if I am talking about another product for comparison. Here is my video on it: th-cam.com/video/EVo6vf-C6SQ/w-d-xo.html If you mean affiliate link, I generally won't always link the other product that I talk about unless I have a definitive answer to not buy the product that I am reviewing in the video. I do this as a personal choice.
Love your review as always. Great breakdown. You bumped up the noise 12db... my question is, is this useable for interviews. I keep seeing conflicting reviews in regard to that. You talked about it but only a little bit. Your input would be MUCH appreciated. I need to find an affordable motorized slider for interviews soon! :)
Hey hey HappyTown Studios! Thank you so much for checking out this video and commenting! When it comes to using servo sliders vs brushless motor sliders like this one I reviewed: th-cam.com/video/orRW4K4bSN8/w-d-xo.html With Servo motors, hopefully you have a nice telephoto lens on the camera so that you can place the motor further away from the speaker. Then it comes down to if you are using a shotgun mic boomed over the speaker or if you are using a lavalier mic. The shotgun mic is more desired as it will block out sounds around the microphone (a decent amount). If you are using a lavalier mic then you will hope that the speaker speaks loudly so that your gain staging is lower to compensate for their voice. By doing so, when they stop talking, the gain staging is so low that its not going to put up the Wrrrr of the Servo Slider. While that is one part of the equation, the other part is your clients expectations based on who you are filming. Some of the interviewee might find the servo motor sound bothersome during them listening to you and giving their answers. From there you gotta get crafty. For me I would have that slider going the entire time during setup so that the interview person gets used to the sound being there as you're guiding them through whats going on and such. Those are my thoughts on the matter. Worst case scenario you can purchase a program called izotope RX and learn how to read an audio waveform where you can literally "see" the servo motor sound show up and erase it for the final audio mix. Hope all this helps! Thanks again for stopping by! Stay safe, healthy, and I’ll see you in the next one!
@@TLDR_filmmaker Just when I thought I couldn’t love your channel more. Thank you so much for taking the time to dive in like this. This really helps point me in the right direction in so many ways! I honestly always assumed my lavs were picking up the best sound because they are closest to my subject. Now I see the value in shotguns so much more. I have a Rode VideoMic NTG Hybrid Analog/USB Camera-Mount Shotgun Mic, but been looking into an upgrade. Curtis Judd has a great breakdown of mics that has steered me in a good direction, but I see that you have a bunch of videos on shotguns. Gonna dive into yours but any in particular you recommend I should look at? As for sliders, I dug your ifootage video. I had seen it and actually was considering that slider. Thanks for breaking down the servo vs brushless motors. I get it more now and would love to go brushless but haven’t found anything reasonably priced that can handle my camera/lens combo weight. I usually fall close to 7 pounds. The ifootage slider seems great but its capacity is that which worries me. Any other you recommend that are brushless? The quietest servo I can seem to find is the YC onion hot dog. Again your advice is much welcome. Thank you and hope you’re having a great holiday :).
Great video, per usual! Question: I'm looking to include a motorized slider to level up the production of my yoga TH-cam videos to capture the details of hand placement, side angles, and other b-roll footage. Would you be so kind as to suggest a good motorized option for a solo content creator given my circumstances?
Hey hey again Chocolate Twist Yoga! This slider is probably the ones thats going to give you the longest dynamic movement given is price point and ability to "pan" on its own depending on how you adjust the two knobs on the side. The gimbal attachment on top is not recommended by me at this time due to the shakiness and inconsistency. There are other motorized sliders that I reviewed that I saw you also commented on. There is actually one I'm currently reviewing right now thats very nice but also very expensive and doesn't travel as far as this one. I feel for yoga since you're camera is further back you'd want the longest travel possible to get the effect. If you have this slider on the ground, it will work quite well, if you need it off the ground, make sure you purchase some additional light stands to screw into the ends of the slider instead of the center so that you have the most solid platform for the slider so that it doesnt tip and lean when the slider reaches one side or the other. Hope this helps!
Hey hey again Mohd E! This depends on the types of shots you want. If you need Parallax slides. The YC onion with its parallax rod will make it easier to achieve those types of shots. I would not use the Gimbal method as it is not perfect. There is the ifootage shark nano that is more expensive, but its motors are not as powerful as they are brushless for silent operation, because of this motor it cannot handle heavier camera setups. Then there are sliders like the Rhino, Syrp, Edelkron, they are much more expensive, the Syrp and Rhino are the ones I'd like to get in the future. I like their design and they seem more sturdy. In the end its going to depend on what type of shots you need, not all sliders are going to perform the same in different types of shots.
Hey hey A Light Writer! Thank you so much for checking out this video and commenting! So glad you enjoy the format! I will continue to do my best with my content and reviews! Thanks again for stopping by! Stay safe, healthy, and I’ll see you in the next one!
Hey hey Steve! Thank you so much for checking out this video and commenting! I think the gimbal does in timelapse mode, which now makes sense how the YC onion is talking to the gimbal. The problem with combining to the Zeapon is that you'd have to perfectly time each separate piece to get something repeatable. I'm hoping we see Zeapon finish developing those pan/tilt/focus motors soon, its been awhile since the first Micro 2 came out. Thanks again for stopping by! Stay safe, healthy, and I’ll see you in the next one!
Hey hey again Steven! I remember checking the Slypod at NAB 2019 and could hear the motor. Cool device though, not sure if I would personally use it on a production. Yea the off center mounting point and length isn't doing this slider any favors. Kinda of wish it came with tripod support arms like the Zeapon M800 does.
I am currently looking for slider.. But i have some questions, what is the physical difference between yc onion hotdog v.3 and v.2 or v1? Hope you answer this, thanks
Hey hey rasty DC! Thank you so much for checking out this video and asking a question! As far as I know the differences were in the motor, the physical slider I believe were more or less the same. Thanks again for stopping by! Stay safe, healthy, and I’ll see you in the next one!
Would be nice to see a video in comparing the parallax spread/width between the shortest slide and the longest slide - comparing (between time it takes to get to each end) and seeing the difference in the spread/speed of panoramic option. Of course we are thinking of the possibilities if the shorter slide gets to point a/b faster, then you might have to slow down the video in post if not on the motor - well depending on what you want to do. A longer slide takes longer to get to the most farthest points whether parallax or panoramic. For me, I think the longer slide is a better choice in the long run because outside of the fact that there is a larger footprint when traveling, you can get longer shots to work with in post, the manual option is sooo smooth.. I have to get my steady hand to work... The slide actually feels really good using it in manual mode. Also, the slight difference in the price of the 80cm/120cm/100cm it made more sense to invest in the longer one. I actually like (YC) build quality like 400% more than the other brand I bought, same length but weight capacity maybe less than 35% of YC Onions weight capacity and the gimbal option totally killed the other brand but let's just say I spent round-about $100 more and got double the weight capacity, a gimbal option, smooth flowing built track and I may not have to get a jib so there's a savings I can appreciate plus more ways to be creative. If I decide to go more expensive than this, I'd be shooting professional... and even when that happens, I don't think I would really need to upgrade for quite some time if I am keeping my projects small enough. Thanks for the insight. Now If I can just balance my GH5 and my 10-25mm Leica on the WeeBill Lab without a counterweight baseplate we will be cooking with gas. One last thought.. I would consider making some kind of housing made of some kind of sound proofing to wrap around the motor to fight the buzzing.. Its actually quite musical if you go up and down on the speed while its moving... it's actually tuned to a pitch that can be recorded... Ahhhh an idea for all of you video nerds out there. #letsgo
Hey hey again Melodeus Forever! In terms of comparing the width to parallax ratio, if you are using a longer slider and only doing a short slide, your parallax won't be as drastic. If you had short slider doing the same amount of slide, you will have more parallax movement. This is simply because of the bar having to be a steeper angle the shorter your overall slider is. This is of course dependent too on what focal length you are using to get that parallax shot. If you are on a wider angle, the shorter slider would do better as you make your way from the ends of the slider. If you can only do a short slide on a longer slider you will want to up the focal length to try and get some sort of parallax going, however this will look drastically different from the short slider version simply because of the focal length composition. As for motor speeds with these budget systems, I think we're more or less capped at a where we can go before going into more professional setups that can slide the slider much faster. Mainly its the servo motor they are using and the voltages it can handle. We'd need a different motor with a higher voltage threshold to get it to go faster and still contain a good amount of torque. Aw man you got a great GH5 setup there, I was a GH5 + Sigma 18-35 user. that new Leica 25-50 is going to really round out that MFT kit. For me I have since moved to Sony and can't wait for the new tamron 35-150 f/2 - f/2.8, that focal length is literally my entire narrative use range. I'll finally have my one lens to do it all!
Hey hey Purecast 9! Thank you so much for checking out this video and asking a question! I do not know as I do not have a GVM 80QD to give you my opinion. Thanks again for stopping by! Stay safe, healthy, and I’ll see you in the next one!
@@TLDR_filmmaker thank you very much for taking the time to get back to my queries. Wish you plenty success in the times ahead and looking forward to many more such reviews 🤝😊
Hey hey Laprorad! Thank you so much for checking out this video and commenting! You're most welcome! So glad the video was helpful! I will continue to do my best with my content and reviews! Thanks again for stopping by! Stay safe, healthy, and I’ll see you in the next one!
Thanks for the review, I've searching for something like this for months. I have a Zhiyun Crane 3 Lab, but it looks it's not compatible with the slider, only Weebil and Weebil S, I wonder if this is a Software or Hardware limitation.
Hey hey TECO! Thank you so much for checking out this video and commenting! Aw man, that stinks it's not readily usable with the Crane 3 Lab. This is most likely a software thing on YC Onions end. I'm not sure how big their firwmare department it, but it's mainly up to them to incorporate the coding to work with their app. I say this because all these gimbals have smartapp protocols, so essentially I think DJI and Ronin gave YC Onion the protocol coding so that their app can recognize a gimbal and use it. It's most likely a matter of time for YC Onions team to add the Crane 3 into their app. Thanks again for stopping by! Stay safe, healthy, and I’ll see you in the next one!
Hey hey Montażownia nr1! Thank you so much for checking out this video and asking a question! I'm not sure if you mean for the slider or for the slider and gimbal combined together. Prices may have changed since I reviewed this so I would just do a search of the YC Onion sliders name and see what prices are. Thanks again for stopping by! Stay safe, healthy, and I’ll see you in the next one!
Hey hey Shinobi Productions! Thank you so much for checking out this video and asking a question! I do not know with the RS2 as I do not have one, you'll have to see if anyone else has reviewed it with the DJI. As for slider being used vertically, I show this in the video. Thanks again for stopping by! Stay safe, healthy, and I’ll see you in the next one!
Hey hey Norain! Thank you so much for checking out this video and asking a question! At this moment I do not know if they have updated or not. For me personally I don't think I would use this setup in general because of the overall rig being super top heavy for video work. Photography timelapses would be ok, but I can't say I would use it for video work. Thanks again for stopping by! Stay safe, healthy, and I’ll see you in the next one!
MrHeeeeeeeng! Aka Coach2win! I've been checking your journey! Maybe I'll do Broly green if I reaaaaaally discourage the product lol! Mannnn I'm sad that we probably still won't have an NAB for us to go to and collab a review at... like that Sharp 8k... where is it? 2022, lets go!
@@TLDR_filmmaker , yeah. I’m sad too!!! I was looking forward to geeking out with your and all the other reviewers. Hey, I have people in Vegas whom I know and will very likely host us for free lodging. We might be able to bunk up and do collaboration videos next NAB...whenever that will be. :)
Hey hey JD! Thank you so much for checking out this video and asking a question! Unfortunately I don’t know for sure, something tells me it might if the Zhiyun Smooth 4 uses the same zhiyun app as the weebill as I believe it’s talking through the same protocol. Maybe do a google search to see if anyone else has tried it with other zhiyun gimbals. Thanks again for stopping by! Stay safe, healthy, and I’ll see you in the next one!
Hey hey Me dicen Chang! Thank you so much for checking out this video and asking a question! I reviewed the 100cm one. Thanks again for stopping by! Stay safe, healthy, and I’ll see you in the next one!
Hey hey again Mohd E! The Zeapon can do vertical shots just like the YC Onion. I didn't test it in my initial Zeapon review as I was not aware many people would use it that way.
@@TLDR_filmmaker thank for the reply bro , i know zeapon can be set in inclined 45 degree but i do i not know how can be set up 90 degree ( vertical) and how much play load it can sustain , i think slypod pro is more verstile in orienting the camera in different positions which open more creative angles for product videography but its short distance and play load are issues for me , very difficult to decide between all these available option
Hey hey SG! Thank you so much for checking out this video and asking a question! At the time of recording that video, it was up to date. Not entirely sure if more updates have rolled out since then and that YC onion also updates their app firmware to read it correctly to make sure the movements are smooth. Do you have this combo and it works flawlessly in terms of all the motors are coordinated? Thanks again for stopping by! Stay safe, healthy, and I’ll see you in the next one!
Hey hey again Suprahead! I would be interested in how the Ronin S works as well, I can't imagine the firmware is that much different from a Zhiyun so I'm not sure why it would work better.
Hey hey Melodeus Forever! Thank you so much for checking out this video and commenting! For sure for sure! If I'm using a slider that doesn't have a flyweight system, and of course motor, I deploy the pinky drag method... I'm not sure if thats a thing but I'm coining it now! haha. My carriage pushing hand will leave my pinky dragging on the rail so that I can control the friction I want depending on the slide speed I need. Thanks again for stopping by! Stay safe, healthy, and I’ll see you in the next one!
just bought a hotdog v3 and bun to use with my Crane 3 Lab, and i'm a little disappointed to be honest. The gimbal and slider do NOT sync up, so you program in your waypoints and by the time the slider gets to even the first waypoint, the subject/object is not in the part of the frame that you want it to be. I'm not saying it's completely useless, but it's not good. You can't use it to shoot products expecting professional results. If you want to dolly across to a subject and the pan as you go by, that's not happening. You just dont know when it's going to start the pan. So, you have to do it by hand. If you're going to do it by hand then you're better off buying a cheaper motorised slider. I suppose it would be alright doing landscapes and stuff, but as for in studio. I wouldn't buy one. Also as a side note. I didn't receive a spare belt and thread adapter with mine. The slider comes with a 3/8 thread on it so you can't mount a dslr directly onto it, or even a gimbal, you need a 1/4. Many of the video's you see state that the adapter comes with the slider along with a spare band for the motor, it doesn't. So to buy an adapter you can get a cheap one off amazon for $12/$10, but, once it's tight the camera might not point in the correct direction. To buy an adjustable adapter you're talking an extra £35/$40 for the very cheapest and about £100/$120 for a good one. Just be aware of this. Can I recommend it? Not without a firmware update fixing the sync issue. But my guess it isn't going to be fixed. When the slider came out 2 years ago this issue was highlighted. A firmware update was mentioned as a solution, but it's never happened. If it's not been fixed by now, they aint fixing it. Basically, this is good as a toy or a hobby. The other problem I've found is that if you create a waypoint and then move the slider and create a second, it doesnt slowly move to the second point. It will hit the first point and stay on it until until it moves to the second point, and then jump to that. It would be better if it slowly went form point to poin. That way you can "track" a subject. There needs to be 2 video modes, a point select, and a drag mode. What you actually can do is create a first point and then use the joystick on the gimbal to track the object, as the app records what you do with the gimbal between setting a and b. The problem with that is this, if ive already completed the move by hand, what do i need the app for? The app really is limited in this regards. Be aware of the limitations before you buy one.
Hey hey Awesome_slyda! Thank you so much for checking out this video and commenting! That is unfortunately to see after all this time from my review that the firmware still has not be fine-tune to sync everything up. You're right, if its not fixed by now, it aint gonna be fixed. :/ Definitely was a good idea to start, but they did not follow through. The funny thing is that @Smartintech made his own DIY version and from what I remember he made it work much better. So companies have no excuse. Thanks again for stopping by! Stay safe, healthy, and I’ll see you in the next one!
Hey hey DJIDAI26! Thank you so much for checking out this video and commenting! Wait... for real? I though the gimbals are fine on their and the bluetooth module was for their drones? Thanks again for stopping by! Stay safe, healthy, and I’ll see you in the next one!
@@TLDR_filmmaker and if for ronin rs2 it is cheaper and less, then for ronin s you still have to use another small capacity battery. this is killing me.
Hey hey Mr. Balagan! Thank you so much for checking out this video and commenting! Hmm, I'm pretty sure my sample came with a battery, but I don't think its part of the official packaging. It was probably tossed in by the selling vendor as a bundle of sorts. For the time being, I don't quite have the room for this slider in my setup as it's quite long. If I have a more permanent large space I would probably just leave this slider on two light stands facing my b-roll table and use the Paralax bar for super quick standard B-roll product shots. Thanks again for stopping by! Stay safe, healthy, and I’ll see you in the next one!
This is so useful. The TLDR format is soooo good, even if it works against the TH-cam algorithms. So appreciate your work
Hey hey Mic!
Thank you so much for checking out this video and commenting!
I'm so glad you appreciate the format of the channel! Yea it definitely doesn't do me any favors with the algorithm, but that's something I'm willing to go against if it helps people find the answers they need and quickly. I'll continue to do my best with my reviews and content!
Thanks again for stopping by! Stay safe, healthy, and I’ll see you in the next one!
love the to-the-point format. audio sounding great as well!
Hey hey Phil!
Thank you so much for checking out this video and commenting!
So glad to hear you like the format of this channel! I will continue to do my best with my reviews and content!
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Here I am, after the intro - knowing this product is not right for me -, but watching on as this looks like a great video worth every second of my attention.
Hey hey again DesertCookie!
I sincerely appreciate your support!!
Thank you so much for this video. Ive been waiting for the longest time for a review that actually talks about the gimbal control. I hope they fix the issues with software updates. This gimbal is exactly what I want, but it just doesn’t seem great in practise.
Hey hey MJR07!
Thank you so much for checking out this video and commenting!
I'm so glad this video covered what you were looking for! Yea I hope their continue to improve their software as well. Aside from the slight beginning shakes, this could still be very valuable if it can move smoothly and in timing with the slider motor.
Thanks again for stopping by! Stay safe, healthy, and I’ll see you in the next one!
So after using my weebil s in trajectory mode for a few hours, I think the motion issues you're having is because of the gimbal, not the slider. The moves just aren't repeatable, if you do the same move twice in a row, they're never exactly the same making visual effects very hard. I wonder how the Ronin fares.
Great concept 👌
If they correct it and execute this could be a game changer
Hey hey diceDiddy!
Thank you so much for checking out this video and commenting!
Definitely, I think for the most part the design of the slider needs to be more heavy duty with extra points of stability for the gimbal to counter the top end rocking.
Thanks again for stopping by! Stay safe, healthy, and I’ll see you in the next one!
Fantastic and informative vid! Did you have to buy a control module to connect the weebil S to the app? Because for the Ronin S you have to buy the YC Onion Interlink Controller which costs $139
Hey hey Maria!
Thank you so much for checking out this video and asking a question!
No, the weebil S did not need a bluetooth module. I didn't realize when I made this video that the Ronin needed one (kinda weird right?)
Hope this helps!
Thanks again for stopping by! Stay safe, healthy, and I’ll see you in the next one!
Great vid! I wonder how you keep the focus when moving the camera on the slider? 🤔
Hey hey Jerry!
Thank you so much for checking out this video and asking a question!
You could either let your cameras AF system take over if its an easy tracking shot, or use a wireless follow focus like the one I reviewed recently (PD Movie Live Air 2). Sony cameras with an electronic lens, you can tap to pull focus if needed through the smartphone app. This is something I did when flying my gimbal on a steadicam rig in my other recent video about a 20min one take :D.
Thanks again for stopping by! Stay safe, healthy, and I’ll see you in the next one!
I like this camera slider idea. Nice reviews.
Hey hey GroundBreaker Explore!
Thank you so much for checking out this video and commenting!
So glad you enjoyed this review! It's definitely a great concept, not perfect, but it could be perfected for sure!
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The company has been working on a pan tilt head for their upcoming chips 3.0. probably we will finally be able to have a proper motion control system available for the hotdog slider.
Hey hey Randall!
Thank you so much for checking out this video and commenting!
That's awesome to hear they are working on a proper Pan and Tilt! Hope they also work on a follow focus motor too!
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May I ask what kind of company it is? I really need that product. Please release it quickly.😂😂
Awesome one review Jason, did you try tweaking the response speeds on the Weebill+S? I also have the Weebill-S and this seems like a great combo if you could just iron out that glitch. One thing I noticed on your video that the hotdog slider was bouncing up and down on the tripod based on the centre point. Can you dual-mount the slider on two stands/tripods?
Hey hey again Neil!
I did tweak the settings in the Weebill, no dice unfortunately. I think the coding might be too basic with how it talks to the Gimbal. The interesting thing is that the gimbals speed and response was different depending if you were going from A-B vs B-A. Not sure why.
Yup, the slider has a host of 1/4 and 3/8 mounting points for people us either use two stands or some slider tripod support arms. I feel for this price those support arms should be included like the Zeapon M800.
@@TLDR_filmmaker That's awesome man, thanks for getting back. Since the money isn't raining down on me at the moment (still limping from last year's lack of earnings) I won't be buying any slider yet, my budget is ranked to more audio gear first before cam stuff. However, thanks for sharing your thoughts. Hopefully, by the time I finally am in the position to buy something either Zeapon or YC Onion have come up with the totally best solution ev4h with silky butter smooth full autonomous AI subject tracking! ;-) ... or at least a slide and pan/tilt that's smooth enough to use in video applications.
what was the other slider you like? handy if there was a link
looking at same thing I just understand Ze**** ie800 but can't find anything on google
Ok I think is zeapon :-)
Hey hey again Harry!
There was a video card link right when I talked about the slider. I usually always do this if I am talking about another product for comparison. Here is my video on it: th-cam.com/video/EVo6vf-C6SQ/w-d-xo.html
If you mean affiliate link, I generally won't always link the other product that I talk about unless I have a definitive answer to not buy the product that I am reviewing in the video. I do this as a personal choice.
Love your review as always. Great breakdown. You bumped up the noise 12db... my question is, is this useable for interviews. I keep seeing conflicting reviews in regard to that. You talked about it but only a little bit. Your input would be MUCH appreciated. I need to find an affordable motorized slider for interviews soon! :)
Hey hey HappyTown Studios!
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When it comes to using servo sliders vs brushless motor sliders like this one I reviewed: th-cam.com/video/orRW4K4bSN8/w-d-xo.html
With Servo motors, hopefully you have a nice telephoto lens on the camera so that you can place the motor further away from the speaker. Then it comes down to if you are using a shotgun mic boomed over the speaker or if you are using a lavalier mic. The shotgun mic is more desired as it will block out sounds around the microphone (a decent amount). If you are using a lavalier mic then you will hope that the speaker speaks loudly so that your gain staging is lower to compensate for their voice. By doing so, when they stop talking, the gain staging is so low that its not going to put up the Wrrrr of the Servo Slider.
While that is one part of the equation, the other part is your clients expectations based on who you are filming. Some of the interviewee might find the servo motor sound bothersome during them listening to you and giving their answers. From there you gotta get crafty. For me I would have that slider going the entire time during setup so that the interview person gets used to the sound being there as you're guiding them through whats going on and such.
Those are my thoughts on the matter. Worst case scenario you can purchase a program called izotope RX and learn how to read an audio waveform where you can literally "see" the servo motor sound show up and erase it for the final audio mix.
Hope all this helps!
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@@TLDR_filmmaker Just when I thought I couldn’t love your channel more. Thank you so much for taking the time to dive in like this. This really helps point me in the right direction in so many ways!
I honestly always assumed my lavs were picking up the best sound because they are closest to my subject. Now I see the value in shotguns so much more. I have a Rode VideoMic NTG Hybrid Analog/USB Camera-Mount Shotgun Mic, but been looking into an upgrade. Curtis Judd has a great breakdown of mics that has steered me in a good direction, but I see that you have a bunch of videos on shotguns. Gonna dive into yours but any in particular you recommend I should look at?
As for sliders, I dug your ifootage video. I had seen it and actually was considering that slider. Thanks for breaking down the servo vs brushless motors. I get it more now and would love to go brushless but haven’t found anything reasonably priced that can handle my camera/lens combo weight. I usually fall close to 7 pounds. The ifootage slider seems great but its capacity is that which worries me. Any other you recommend that are brushless? The quietest servo I can seem to find is the YC onion hot dog.
Again your advice is much welcome.
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Great video, per usual! Question: I'm looking to include a motorized slider to level up the production of my yoga TH-cam videos to capture the details of hand placement, side angles, and other b-roll footage. Would you be so kind as to suggest a good motorized option for a solo content creator given my circumstances?
Hey hey again Chocolate Twist Yoga!
This slider is probably the ones thats going to give you the longest dynamic movement given is price point and ability to "pan" on its own depending on how you adjust the two knobs on the side. The gimbal attachment on top is not recommended by me at this time due to the shakiness and inconsistency. There are other motorized sliders that I reviewed that I saw you also commented on. There is actually one I'm currently reviewing right now thats very nice but also very expensive and doesn't travel as far as this one. I feel for yoga since you're camera is further back you'd want the longest travel possible to get the effect. If you have this slider on the ground, it will work quite well, if you need it off the ground, make sure you purchase some additional light stands to screw into the ends of the slider instead of the center so that you have the most solid platform for the slider so that it doesnt tip and lean when the slider reaches one side or the other.
Hope this helps!
Luxli Cello 10 RGB Light vs GVM 1200D RGB Light Witch One Will Be Better
Hey hey again Abdullah!
I have not reviewed either lights so I can't say for sure.
Which is better fir commercial food/ product film ?
Hey hey again Mohd E!
This depends on the types of shots you want. If you need Parallax slides. The YC onion with its parallax rod will make it easier to achieve those types of shots. I would not use the Gimbal method as it is not perfect. There is the ifootage shark nano that is more expensive, but its motors are not as powerful as they are brushless for silent operation, because of this motor it cannot handle heavier camera setups.
Then there are sliders like the Rhino, Syrp, Edelkron, they are much more expensive, the Syrp and Rhino are the ones I'd like to get in the future. I like their design and they seem more sturdy.
In the end its going to depend on what type of shots you need, not all sliders are going to perform the same in different types of shots.
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Doesn't the gimbal have its own motion control or lock function? Combine with the zeapon, until they come up with their own pan head.
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I think the gimbal does in timelapse mode, which now makes sense how the YC onion is talking to the gimbal. The problem with combining to the Zeapon is that you'd have to perfectly time each separate piece to get something repeatable. I'm hoping we see Zeapon finish developing those pan/tilt/focus motors soon, its been awhile since the first Micro 2 came out.
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I have the Slypod E and it's about as loud. It also look like there is some bowing when the camera reaches the ends on the Onion.
Hey hey again Steven!
I remember checking the Slypod at NAB 2019 and could hear the motor. Cool device though, not sure if I would personally use it on a production. Yea the off center mounting point and length isn't doing this slider any favors. Kinda of wish it came with tripod support arms like the Zeapon M800 does.
I am currently looking for slider..
But i have some questions, what is the physical difference between yc onion hotdog v.3 and v.2 or v1?
Hope you answer this, thanks
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As far as I know the differences were in the motor, the physical slider I believe were more or less the same.
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Would be nice to see a video in comparing the parallax spread/width between the shortest slide and the longest slide - comparing (between time it takes to get to each end) and seeing the difference in the spread/speed of panoramic option. Of course we are thinking of the possibilities if the shorter slide gets to point a/b faster, then you might have to slow down the video in post if not on the motor - well depending on what you want to do. A longer slide takes longer to get to the most farthest points whether parallax or panoramic. For me, I think the longer slide is a better choice in the long run because outside of the fact that there is a larger footprint when traveling, you can get longer shots to work with in post, the manual option is sooo smooth.. I have to get my steady hand to work... The slide actually feels really good using it in manual mode. Also, the slight difference in the price of the 80cm/120cm/100cm it made more sense to invest in the longer one. I actually like (YC) build quality like 400% more than the other brand I bought, same length but weight capacity maybe less than 35% of YC Onions weight capacity and the gimbal option totally killed the other brand but let's just say I spent round-about $100 more and got double the weight capacity, a gimbal option, smooth flowing built track and I may not have to get a jib so there's a savings I can appreciate plus more ways to be creative.
If I decide to go more expensive than this, I'd be shooting professional... and even when that happens, I don't think I would really need to upgrade for quite some time if I am keeping my projects small enough. Thanks for the insight. Now If I can just balance my GH5 and my 10-25mm Leica on the WeeBill Lab without a counterweight baseplate we will be cooking with gas.
One last thought.. I would consider making some kind of housing made of some kind of sound proofing to wrap around the motor to fight the buzzing.. Its actually quite musical if you go up and down on the speed while its moving... it's actually tuned to a pitch that can be recorded... Ahhhh an idea for all of you video nerds out there. #letsgo
Hey hey again Melodeus Forever!
In terms of comparing the width to parallax ratio, if you are using a longer slider and only doing a short slide, your parallax won't be as drastic. If you had short slider doing the same amount of slide, you will have more parallax movement. This is simply because of the bar having to be a steeper angle the shorter your overall slider is. This is of course dependent too on what focal length you are using to get that parallax shot. If you are on a wider angle, the shorter slider would do better as you make your way from the ends of the slider. If you can only do a short slide on a longer slider you will want to up the focal length to try and get some sort of parallax going, however this will look drastically different from the short slider version simply because of the focal length composition.
As for motor speeds with these budget systems, I think we're more or less capped at a where we can go before going into more professional setups that can slide the slider much faster. Mainly its the servo motor they are using and the voltages it can handle. We'd need a different motor with a higher voltage threshold to get it to go faster and still contain a good amount of torque.
Aw man you got a great GH5 setup there, I was a GH5 + Sigma 18-35 user. that new Leica 25-50 is going to really round out that MFT kit. For me I have since moved to Sony and can't wait for the new tamron 35-150 f/2 - f/2.8, that focal length is literally my entire narrative use range. I'll finally have my one lens to do it all!
@@TLDR_filmmaker Cool Thanks for the insight. I am still learning and excited to try everything.
Such a well made video.
Could you tell me if this is better than the GVM 80QD?
And does it come to a smooth stop at the ends?
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I do not know as I do not have a GVM 80QD to give you my opinion.
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No problem.
But does the YC Onion come to a smooth stop at the ends?
@@Purecast9 Yup, it does.
@@TLDR_filmmaker thank you very much for taking the time to get back to my queries. Wish you plenty success in the times ahead and looking forward to many more such reviews 🤝😊
Thanks for the instructions (loop mode)
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Thanks for the review, I've searching for something like this for months. I have a Zhiyun Crane 3 Lab, but it looks it's not compatible with the slider, only Weebil and Weebil S, I wonder if this is a Software or Hardware limitation.
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Aw man, that stinks it's not readily usable with the Crane 3 Lab. This is most likely a software thing on YC Onions end. I'm not sure how big their firwmare department it, but it's mainly up to them to incorporate the coding to work with their app. I say this because all these gimbals have smartapp protocols, so essentially I think DJI and Ronin gave YC Onion the protocol coding so that their app can recognize a gimbal and use it. It's most likely a matter of time for YC Onions team to add the Crane 3 into their app.
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What is dedicated system? What is usual price for that?
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I'm not sure if you mean for the slider or for the slider and gimbal combined together. Prices may have changed since I reviewed this so I would just do a search of the YC Onion sliders name and see what prices are.
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is it working with RS2? also is it possible to use the slider vertically? (like a jib)
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I do not know with the RS2 as I do not have one, you'll have to see if anyone else has reviewed it with the DJI. As for slider being used vertically, I show this in the video.
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Since the review have they updated the firmware that it works better with the weebill S?
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At this moment I do not know if they have updated or not. For me personally I don't think I would use this setup in general because of the overall rig being super top heavy for video work. Photography timelapses would be ok, but I can't say I would use it for video work.
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@@TLDR_filmmaker thanks for the fast response. 😊 👍
Okay good to know, very helpful! Keep up the good work!
I did the new studio set up and color choices. No more Broly green? 😂😂😂
Keep killing it with the gear reviews.
MrHeeeeeeeng! Aka Coach2win! I've been checking your journey!
Maybe I'll do Broly green if I reaaaaaally discourage the product lol!
Mannnn I'm sad that we probably still won't have an NAB for us to go to and collab a review at... like that Sharp 8k... where is it?
2022, lets go!
@@TLDR_filmmaker , yeah. I’m sad too!!! I was looking forward to geeking out with your and all the other reviewers. Hey, I have people in Vegas whom I know and will very likely host us for free lodging. We might be able to bunk up and do collaboration videos next NAB...whenever that will be. :)
That would be bomb, we'll just have to cook the hosts some steam dumplings and fried rice!
Would the onion support Zhiyun Smooth 4?
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Unfortunately I don’t know for sure, something tells me it might if the Zhiyun Smooth 4 uses the same zhiyun app as the weebill as I believe it’s talking through the same protocol. Maybe do a google search to see if anyone else has tried it with other zhiyun gimbals.
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@@TLDR_filmmaker thanks! Settled for a Ronin SC2 instead 😊👍🎄I think the onion could come in handy when I master the basics with the sc2 😍
Is that the 100cm or 80cm one?
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I reviewed the 100cm one.
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@@TLDR_filmmaker Thanks for answering! Great channel :)
Zeapon can not do vertical shots as yc onion , can it ??
Hey hey again Mohd E!
The Zeapon can do vertical shots just like the YC Onion. I didn't test it in my initial Zeapon review as I was not aware many people would use it that way.
@@TLDR_filmmaker thank for the reply bro , i know zeapon can be set in inclined 45 degree but i do i not know how can be set up 90 degree ( vertical) and how much play load it can sustain , i think slypod pro is more verstile in orienting the camera in different positions which open more creative angles for product videography but its short distance and play load are issues for me , very difficult to decide between all these available option
is the firmware for zhiyun upgraded?
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At the time of recording that video, it was up to date. Not entirely sure if more updates have rolled out since then and that YC onion also updates their app firmware to read it correctly to make sure the movements are smooth. Do you have this combo and it works flawlessly in terms of all the motors are coordinated?
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Wow sound very interesting , I would be interested test it on my Ronin S
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I would be interested in how the Ronin S works as well, I can't imagine the firmware is that much different from a Zhiyun so I'm not sure why it would work better.
Steady hands takes practice... and what's a little practice to work on your craft... :)
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For sure for sure! If I'm using a slider that doesn't have a flyweight system, and of course motor, I deploy the pinky drag method... I'm not sure if thats a thing but I'm coining it now! haha. My carriage pushing hand will leave my pinky dragging on the rail so that I can control the friction I want depending on the slide speed I need.
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just bought a hotdog v3 and bun to use with my Crane 3 Lab, and i'm a little disappointed to be honest. The gimbal and slider do NOT sync up, so you program in your waypoints and by the time the slider gets to even the first waypoint, the subject/object is not in the part of the frame that you want it to be. I'm not saying it's completely useless, but it's not good. You can't use it to shoot products expecting professional results. If you want to dolly across to a subject and the pan as you go by, that's not happening. You just dont know when it's going to start the pan. So, you have to do it by hand. If you're going to do it by hand then you're better off buying a cheaper motorised slider. I suppose it would be alright doing landscapes and stuff, but as for in studio. I wouldn't buy one. Also as a side note. I didn't receive a spare belt and thread adapter with mine. The slider comes with a 3/8 thread on it so you can't mount a dslr directly onto it, or even a gimbal, you need a 1/4. Many of the video's you see state that the adapter comes with the slider along with a spare band for the motor, it doesn't. So to buy an adapter you can get a cheap one off amazon for $12/$10, but, once it's tight the camera might not point in the correct direction. To buy an adjustable adapter you're talking an extra £35/$40 for the very cheapest and about £100/$120 for a good one. Just be aware of this. Can I recommend it? Not without a firmware update fixing the sync issue. But my guess it isn't going to be fixed. When the slider came out 2 years ago this issue was highlighted. A firmware update was mentioned as a solution, but it's never happened. If it's not been fixed by now, they aint fixing it. Basically, this is good as a toy or a hobby.
The other problem I've found is that if you create a waypoint and then move the slider and create a second, it doesnt slowly move to the second point. It will hit the first point and stay on it until until it moves to the second point, and then jump to that. It would be better if it slowly went form point to poin. That way you can "track" a subject. There needs to be 2 video modes, a point select, and a drag mode. What you actually can do is create a first point and then use the joystick on the gimbal to track the object, as the app records what you do with the gimbal between setting a and b. The problem with that is this, if ive already completed the move by hand, what do i need the app for?
The app really is limited in this regards. Be aware of the limitations before you buy one.
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That is unfortunately to see after all this time from my review that the firmware still has not be fine-tune to sync everything up. You're right, if its not fixed by now, it aint gonna be fixed. :/
Definitely was a good idea to start, but they did not follow through.
The funny thing is that @Smartintech made his own DIY version and from what I remember he made it work much better. So companies have no excuse.
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For dji you nead to bye a bt module for 140 euro 😂😂😂
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Wait... for real? I though the gimbals are fine on their and the bluetooth module was for their drones?
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@@TLDR_filmmakerhi.
Yes for ronin s you must bay
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And for ronin s2 or RS2
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@@TLDR_filmmaker and if for ronin rs2 it is cheaper and less, then for ronin s you still have to use another small capacity battery. this is killing me.
cheap but not practical, ship without battery
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Hmm, I'm pretty sure my sample came with a battery, but I don't think its part of the official packaging. It was probably tossed in by the selling vendor as a bundle of sorts. For the time being, I don't quite have the room for this slider in my setup as it's quite long. If I have a more permanent large space I would probably just leave this slider on two light stands facing my b-roll table and use the Paralax bar for super quick standard B-roll product shots.
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