Byrna LE VS Grimburg Gavle VS Pepperball TRP | Extended Range Testing with JUL rounds!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ส.ค. 2024
- Hey folks!!
Let's test some range with the CRAZY cool JUL rounds!
Have a great night!
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I've definitely gotta look into that Grimburg.
That thing is a BEAST! Grimburg is going to be in the chat.. If you have any questions, they will respond ;)
It's a great launcher with awesome customer service.
@@Joreel Yeah, Kurt is a hell of a guy too!
I just bought two, one for myself and one for my girl, after watching the hard2hurt channel where the host took a shot from it at 30 feet. Out of all the launchers I know of, the Grimburg Gavle is the only one I judge to be effective enough to trust with my daughter's safety. Not that the Byrna LE, for example, isn't a good LTL weapon. But I have seen people take shots from them and not be stopped for certain. I want me girl to both feel safe and actually be safe.
@@Joreel Thx 👍
Taking one for the team!.... OHH YEAH! ...Skull-y, Skull-y, Skull-y!
Poor skully ;)
Another great video. A couple of regulars have been using Grimberg ammo in the S2 with great results. It’s as if bore matched. I believe it was East Coast Less Lethal, and Less Lethal For Dummies. These tests have me rethinking on a Gavel for the collection.
Yep! I don’t think you could go wrong :)
Both launchers I was looking for information on. Thank you
My pleasure man!
Jon, can't wait for your test of the SS2.0 with Grimburg rounds on board. Travel safe.
It’s coming :) I need to talk to Greenberg next week about getting some more JUL rounds in.
Great video Jon. Let’s be careful out there.
Thanks man!
another great video Jon. of the three Byrnas that I do have the one that goes outside is loaded with pepper rounds.I could not get them for a while but MCS allowed me to buy some PAVA rounds. the Byrnas that stay indoors of course use the Byrna solid rounds. I have to get two of the LE models now.
Nice man! Why couldn’t you get the pava rounds?
The Grimburg Gavil is a total beast and it's at least twice as loud as the Byrna LE. I'm thinking about purchasing the Grimburg FAR projectiles. Can you test the FAR projectiles?
Thanks,
Wayne
Hey Wayne, as it turns out, they are actually here in the chat. I will ask them about it, but if you would like to see them on my channel, let them know also :-)
@AlternateArmsSD Hi John.
I asked Grimburg about the FAR projectiles in the Gavil and they explained the Gavil can only use round projectiles. The FAR ammo are designed for the FSC with the Paradigm barrel or the FSC. I'm glad you told me to inquire about the FAR because, I was about to order some.
Thank you sir...
@@walway01 Good deal man! You know, I’d love to put a few of those through the overwatch. :)
I saw your video that you did a few months ago and immediately bought the GRIMBURG! 5 shots with along with that noise & whoever just broke in the house is now trying to breaking out! HIM & HIS HOMIES! Tell purple skully 💀 to go to the ER!
Awesome man!! Yeah that thing is a canon!
Loved the vid and how you explain everything...very cool..I am learning...
Thank you so much Brother! some people say that I can be a little long-winded, but my goal is always to give every bit of information that you could possibly need before you spend your hard earned money on something.
@@AlternateArmsSD oh man! I need all the info I can get...so preach on, and my heart is set on the Byrna thanks to you...
@@pmaddox thanks brother, I have a lot of cool things coming this year :-)
@@AlternateArmsSD if you're a seller can I purchase one from you?
@@pmaddox You can man. Www.alternatearmsselfdefense.com
I have been thinking about getting a Grimburg. Thanks for the comparison.
My pleasure man. Yeah, those things are canons!
You won't regret getting a Gavle 👀
I would personally like to thank everyone in the comments who are “thinking”about purchasing a Gavel, I just ordered my 3rd one last week on the 17th, please take “all” the time in the world to order yours so mine will come faster.
@@LESSLETHALMANE Heh that’s great man! Yeah, they are something else!
Great video, like always! Off topic, I came across a Launcher called the Sicariis .50cal. Almost looks like a Tiberius 8.1 that went on a diet. Hope you will do a review when they reach out. I also think your channel is one of the best ones out there. Im also pro Less Lethal.
Thanks man! I have contacted sicarii mistime times about getting one on for the show and *crickets* :) I’ll keep pushing :)
NICE WO 18:56 RK JON, Keep up the good work .DON'T CHANGE YOUR FORMAT...
Thanks man!! I won’t :)
I have the TCP but man that Grimburg Gavel is definitely on my list
It’s a beast man. I was actually caught a bit off guard when I fired it the first time.
A Chrono would have been very informative.
@@sonadorazul3074 Greetings! I have individual tests on each with readings. Thanks!
Love this channel
Thank you so much!
The one Iv been waiting for
Boom boom :)
So I got a ahaha moment for ya... Leave the CO2 out of the byrna tip it upside down and drop a round into the mag well... You will realize when you pull the trigger the round falls into place and is loaded into the chamber.. now my question (it's not in my budget as I try to save as much of my stock for when necessary) can you fill the mag well up and repeatedly fire and empty the 10+ rounds that fills the mag well without a jam and could this be a better way for when you got multiple threats
Hehe Yeah, they will all do that. The only thing that holds the round in place is the detent which is either in the launcher or in the magazine depending on the model you choose.
Houston Jones Took multiple shots bare skin from the Gavle recently on camera
@@kjayclowers12 there are several problems with that statement. First, he’s a comedian and a trained athlete to a specifically trying to take shots like this. 99.9999999% of the people you’re going to meet or not and are not. also, keep in mind that he took specifically located shots in a very slow and timed manner. If you’re in a self-defense situation, you unloaded center mass as quickly as possible.
Great video 📹 👍 u gotta refresh your target area & skully, its hard to tell the new holes from your old ones
Yeah, I have four fresh skullys printing right now :-)
Gotta hope for an eye shot.
@@Samlol23_drrich Not with these you don’t. :)
Good day Jon. Nice testing as usual. Since you gave news on the PDP'S I was wondering if you have heard anything more on the HDX 68 high-powered version coming to the states? I'm hearing the release has been moved further away again close to Christmas time with a significant price increase. I appreciate any information concerning this and thank you again for your testing.
Hey brother, funny you should ask :-) I had a conference call with Umarex last week and I was told that the new 40 J HDX should be out by August. Stay tuned on that one :-)
@@AlternateArmsSD Thank you for such a quick response.
@@kurt9994If you don't want to wait, there are a few places that already sell the 40 Joule HDX if you do a search for them. I bought one a while back and it's a beast of a launcher at 40-50 Joules (depending on the temperatures apparently). I wish I could have had the company send it to Jon first as he would have had so much fun blowing Sully into tiny pieces in one shot.
@@AlternateArmsSD Jon, I'm seeing $500 now for that HDX high powered version supposedly being released a little before Christmas. If that's true they're pricing themselves out of the market. Thanks for your work in the Less lethal community.
@@kurt9994 I’d agree… but…. Stay tuned :)
I ordered a Grimburg Gavle 3 weeks ago and it's Still in processing.
Kurt, from Grimburg, is watching this chat arc.. Lets ask him :)
@@AlternateArmsSD They're apparently waiting on parts or something like that.
@@Pendragon501 That would make sense to me. These things are all American made and I can tell you that other American made manufacturers that you've seen on this show are also having supply issues to some extent.
Just a little twist on the back of that trp will put it on par with the gavel
I have a whole new video planned for the maxed out trp :)
I just added the TRP to my collection. I just ordered it!
Nice!!
@AlternateArmsSD nice for me, bad for my wallet.
@@Sola_Scriptura_1.618 My friend, do I ever understand that :-) one of these days I’ll show you my private collection :-)
@AlternateArmsSD lmao! I can only imagine. 3 Markers in 3 wks! I need to stop watching all these addictive videos. I think I know what it feels like to be addicted to illicit drugs!
@@Sola_Scriptura_1.618 ROFL!! If it makes you feel any better, I talked to a couple manufacturers and it looks like we’re getting four more launchers next year :-)
Great video. I heard Grimburg has a new set of seals that can handle the CO2 being charged past the five-minute time limit to avoid ruining the older-style seals. That is a nice development. I was concerned about that so I never loaded mine back to back when plinking. One load up, bleed the unused CO2 out and put it away. Now a person can keep the system charged with the CO2 cylinder snug instead of rattling around when walking with one on my belt. I am curious how long a marker can sit charged up with these new seals without damaging the marker.
That sounds like an interesting test for the future............................ hmmm :)
Why not just use tape, and mark off the floor, so you will always know how many feet back you are without walking it off each time? Just saying, 🙂
I actually have another plan. However, if this goes wrong, I could put a pepper around or a kinetic round directly through a $700 camera :-) let’s hope that doesn’t happen.
Can the grimburg be modified and can you send email catalog of your products with prices.Your videos are extremely informative and entertaining.Thank you.
Actually, the Grimmer does have a few modifications that can be done to the launcher. Grimberg is actually monitoring this chat so they will probably jump in here as well. I don’t currently carry the Grimburg products on my website, but give me time :-) they are definitely somebody I would love to add to the alternate arms less than lethal family :-)
Hi so you can use the Grimburg rounds in the Bryna? Also will pepper rounds burst if you hit a person with a coat, there not hitting anything hard??
@@bertfisk1194 Yeah sure can! Yes they will. It’s all about mass vs velocity.
Can you try a byrna kinetic round in the gavel. I want to know just to see if it would work for training purposes.
I will indeed! Say tuned!
Can you make the grimberg more powerful like you did with i believe the one on the very right?
There are some upgrades available from Grimburg but it’s a beast out of the box!
7.8 to 8.03 g is about it. The new FAR rounds are a little bit heavier.
They are BRUTAL rounds. I’d actually like to use them as our exclusive kinetic rounds for all future testing. How would you guys feel about that?
@@AlternateArmsSDAbsolutely!
@@grimburglesslethal Lets get together on it. You folks deserve a permanent spot on the channel for sure.
wish umerex would make the pdp more powerful, besides spring...
news on umerx peper with ball inside to guarantee breakage.
Yep, those new rounds are supposed to be available next month. Stay tuned :)
Have you seen the streetwise heat launcher …
Not only have I seen it, I’ve been directly in touch with their sales Director. Apparently, they don’t feel that my channel warrants having one sent for review. However, if you want to see exactly what it is, look at my video on the guard dog fireball. They are absolutely 100% identical.
They suck ,I love ur Channel thank you. I’ll check the video out
@@JohnMatthews-rz6vr Thanks man!
Another great video
#watchedtilltheend
Thanks man!
I know you can’t store the Grimberg Gavel with the CO2 pierced (not many launchers will let you store them pierced), but can you store it with the projectiles already loaded or will that compromise the spring? Been looking online and can’t find any answers and figured you’d know Jon. Thanks in advance 👍🏾🤙🏾
Hey Brother! You can leave the rounds loaded. I leave the C02 canister ALMOST pierced so it’s ready. For quick use :)
Have you tried a hoodie material in front of your skull I’ve?
Hmm To test rupturing on clothing?
Hey Jon, a question: Will the Byrna SD feed and run the Grimburg Juuls? They look amazing and I would be curious if it works on the SD and SDXL.
Thanks again!
Yes they do and QUITE well. I am going to revisit that shortly.
@john: can you keep the grimburg loaded much like my beloved Hdr50?
Greetings! Loaded, yes. C02 charged, no. You don't want to leave them pressurized for extended periods of time.
You, sir, are my hero
@@erwinvillalva4214 Thanks Brother!
Any chance the byrna Le can be dismantled for international shipping?
Hello I have a dumb question could a non blow back be turned into a blow back I have two scorpions and a xde bb and nigh stalker BB all c02 I love the blow back I also wonder if I am the first to ask 😂 have a great day
Greets! Alas no. There is an entire mechanism designed to "reset" the hammer between shots.
@@AlternateArmsSD didn't think it was possible
Love your videos. I have the Salt Supply Pistol. Can I increase the Joules with a longer barrel or would it decrease the speed and accuracy?
Thank you so much, absolutely. A longer barrel will always increase accuracy, power, and range because it gives the round more time to travel. However, keep in mind then when you’re using a round ball, these are essentially modern day muskets :-) if there’s no rifling in the barrel or no twist to the round, it’s all about velocity.
@AlternateArmsSD Thanks for info. I was considering buying a 14" Tippman Barrel. Or is this a bad idea?
@@plangullible6487 Little tough to conceal but it should new brutal :)
@@AlternateArmsSD Thanks again for the info. I guess it would look like the Joker's Gun from the 1989 Batman Movie 😂😂. Have a great weekend..
Need to get a modded hdr68 and throw it in the mix.
Oh, it’s coming :)
Do you know if the Grimburg Gavel no executioner or jury , can pop out shaped rounds ? Because using my round aluminum makes it bounce alot unless it's weak material but if I can used a sharp tip round or any shape round that go forward I bet it can pierce a type of metal... So for short too long don't read ...
CAN THESE FIRE SHAPED ROUNDS?
Alas, not yet. However, the JUL rounds are brutal!
@@AlternateArmsSD more brutal than aluminium 7g-8g?
Do you think the hdp50 with the valve block removed is more powerful than all these guns?
Not really. There are major differences between the launchers and the caliber is the primary difference. Also, each of these is capable of putting out MUCH more power than the HDP50 (Particularly the gavle). That being said, there is a cost difference. These are much more than the HDP50.
Idk I put a steel rubber ball through a betty crocker pan from like 20 feet away
@@123catz Oh, I know. I have done a ton of tests with the HDP50 and I love them. However, it’s a matter of mass and speed. You can’t go wrong with either one.
@AlternateArmsSD I want to do more tests it's just too loud for my location lmao 😆
@@123catz ooohhh yeah… they are loud :)
I assume they would also work okay in the Byrna SD as well, yes?
Yes they would! In fact, where is from Grimburg that they were actually able to get an extra joule or two out of the byrna by using those JUL rounds.
@@AlternateArmsSD- I'll buy some from you when you get them.
@@elliottlang9100 I’m going to talk to them this week. Stay tuned :)
Jon, I sent my Gavle in for an examination. The trigger is super stiff and unusable for me. I got it back, and nothing has changed!
Not sure what to do now? Was thinking of sending it to you for an autopsy. Also, did you notice Grimburg has a new O-ring upgrade
for the Gavle so that you can leave it pressurized much longer than the list 5 minute limit. Anyway, very disappointed.
Hey Brother, I know they are monitoring this chat. Let’s get Kurt involved.
Hi! The trigger pull is 4 lbs. That's typical on a carry gun, for safety. We test every launcher that goes out and is returned to us. If it still seems difficult, could you ask someone else to try it and see what they think? Have you shot any firearms?
Hey man, tell you what, shoot me an email and I’ll have you send it to me and I’ll compare it side-by-side with the one I have. They are right on the trigger pull. I have seen extremely wild variations between trigger poles. Watcher you think would be very light like the Glock 17 or some of the heavier polls, whereas launchers like the TRP which seem like they would be heavy or almost like a feather. However, until I see the one you have, I can’t really give you an educated guess :-)
@@grimburglesslethal Yes I own several firearms and even two cannons for reenacting! I also own the Salt Supply S2, Byrna LE, Umarex HDR .68, .50 and HDP .50.
All easy to fire. Actually, when I first got Gavle the trigger was working better and my friend shot it and
my others. He did not like the Gavle at all. Only the LE and S2. Anyway, how bout I send it back one more time
for a closer inspection? Will include the Co2 I was using.
@@AlternateArmsSD Jon, Sounds good. Lets see what Kurt has to say.
Kenny,
were the shots you fired pepper rounds especially the crystals?
No, those white rounds are glass breakers. I do have videos using test pepper rounds though and they work quite well :-)
Getting hit with a kinetic round is no joking matter, either.
Agreed!!!
Nope... They hurt like hell. I know from personal experience 🤣
@@Joreel Yeah, Ive taken a hit from an HDP 50 and a Byrna EP... but I have NO desire to take a hit from any of these ESPECIALLY the grimburg!
I was wondering if they would take a teenage punk down..at 20 or less feet ?
At less than 20 feet most of these will cause some serious damage. Also, keep in mind that you need to use a high-quality pepper ball in your self-defense scenario. I typically alternate my rounds.
Jeff Mcay gonna test the bad boys. Bet better than Umerex pepper.
Hehe Jeff and I talk quite a bit. It’s not something he’s looking forward too :)
@@AlternateArmsSD I can't say I blame him. We got a sauce where I cook called nuke sauce. I choke just from rinsing the sauce. I hate to think how bad the powdered stuff would be.
@@travisnelson8230 yeah, and the finder the powder, the more effectively it’s dispersed. It doesn’t take much to really mess somebody up :-)
Byrna all the way. The others are goofy and a pain to charge.
Byrna is the big dog on the LTL block for sure :)
I agree particularly with the Gavle. The power is always very impressive but if they even had a strike to charge system I think it’d be better
@@protocolsev Give them time :)
Just wait til the Solstice is finally released sometime in 2025 😎
@@Joreel Oh, my eyes are on it. I’m hoping shotshow will reveal a bit :)
if someone shot me with that I would laugh and put a 10mm straight in their face!
btw your cute pepper rounds dont really hurt. my friends and I used to chase each other on dirt bikes and shoot each other with them. it didnt hurt and we were like 12
Nice try "Tough Guy" but they are not what you think. I suppose that police departments, militaries, and private security companies all over the planet got it wrong but you have the inside scoop huh :) If someone shot you with a Gavle within 20 feet, the only thing you're doing is crying for mommy and praying the next round doesn't come your way :) Add in the pepper rounds.. Oh, did I mention prisons use it as well, and your weeping, coughing, and puking while your buddies ride by on their Schwinn's laughing at you. Thanks for watching!
Do you get all your self defense toys from the mailing system? I just don't believe in fronting my money out. Trust issues...
Greetings, most of the ones that I test on the channel come from different manufacturers or companies that want to have them highlighted and shown to people. However, I ordered quite a few on my own to bring to you guys as well. In fact, that’s the entire goal of this channel. I want to show you guys exactly what you will get when you buy one of these before you shell out your hard-earned money. That being said, I’ve never had an issue with him coming through the mailing system, per se. I certainly do understand trust issues though :-)
@AlternateArmsSD Thank you for your info. I'm new at this channel, so im wondering if you have done the Huben GK1? It says it kicks a 45 j.
@@user-zl3qz3pz5z i’ve actually sent them quite a few emails and I haven’t gotten a response yet. I’ll stay on top of it though.