Salt Supply S2 VS Pepperball TRP VS Grimburg Gavle VS HDR68, VS Byrna LE | Extended Range Testing
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Tonight, we test WAY outside of standard range! :)
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Hey Folks, just a heads up. I got an Email for Kurt at Grimburg stating what I mentioned in the video. The 3.5G rounds are FAR to light for the Gavle. We knew this and I mention it several times in the video. That being said, this entire test was unrealistic as these were never designed for that distance. The JUL rounds are 8G and a follow up test is coming. That being said, there is a video dropping tonight that illustrates the results of taking shots at that distance. Stay tuned!
Hahaha yup, we had a funny feeling you were having a ton of fun there! Heck it was fun watching you. And great, helpful testing there. Thanks man!
I’m sure you put in at least 5000 steps for this video. Fun AND healthy!
Hehe Yeah it was a journey for sure ;)
Another great one, Jon. Thanks and for the belly band update.
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My pleasure man! They are coming out of the woodwork now.
Just bought an HDP 50 and watched a lot of your videos to research beforehand. Just want to say I appreciate your content...I'd love to hear your opinion on how more budget-conscious options like the HDP and even sabre compare to these more premium self defense tools.
The HDP 50 is a great launcher. I have a LTL Bravo which is also a 50 cal launcher. The common saying is you get what you pay for, but with less lethal it isn't always the case. The Byrna Hi Vuz I have was $500 when I bought it in November 2022 and it's a great launcher, but you can buy a Salt Supply S2 for $250 and it's more powerful out of the box than the Byrna. Plus the S2 can be modified to even higher Joules whereas the Byrna can be modified at all. The Grimburg Gavle is still the King of power out of the box, but you'll pay out the nose for it.
Honestly it really depends on what you want and what you can afford. The Umarex line as well as the Salt Supply are probably the best low cost launcher overall because you can modify them for more power pretty easily and it's not that expensive for the upgrade kits. The biggest barrier is if you have the confidence to do it yourself with the help of a good TH-cam video.
The HDP50 is one of my all-time favorites. Its affordable, upgradable, and dependable. I am going to do more head-to-head tests with the more budget friendly launchers in the near future.
The Galve is a BEAST! I just wish they had a changeable clip in it
@@cogicmj Give them time :)
Really great test! It's great to see these 68 calibers side by side in such an extreme test. I am planning on picking up a 68 caliber from you this summer still trying to decide which one
New video dropping tonight :)
Oh yes! Looking forward to it- getting the popcorn popper fired up!☀️
Interesting been a while nice you rebranded to a different name and that name sure fits I'm so glad you finally comparing the most powerful c02 launchers comparison like salt supply s2 and the GAVLE nice !!! 😂 poor skully always being abused. 💀
Yeah, I was in rare form alright ;) Editing was fun :)
@AlternateArmsSD they said they'll ship my gavle on the 16th which will be a month... however they did say expect some delays which makes me sad lol! Once I get this it's gonna be my proud edc because being a felon no guns! Plus I won't have to kill anyone with that being on my conscious DAAMMNN hooligans get ready to get hit with 39 joules!!! Lol.
@@-SLEAZY- yeah brother, there is absolutely nothing like the gavle on the market. That thing is an absolute hand canon.
Thanks for the videos, they're very helpful. I appreciate all your commentors, too!
My pleasure man! Thanks for watching!
Great test John, Goodnight from Cali.
Thanks man! Have a great night!
Thank you for your reviews and insight. 👍🏾👏🏾
@@Ebotoman79 My pleasure Brother! Thanks for watching!
amazing video brother!
Thanks man!
Great video brother 🫡
Thanks Brother!
Don't build up what is good. Make the manufacturer step up there game!!
@@wadedeeds1738 I agree and they are. The more offerings we have, the more it forces them to create bigger and better. It’s a great time in the industry!
another great video Jon. but, 1, I really wish you would turn the TRP all the way up and crono it. 2, how about crono the rounds just before impact ( if you can) so we can see the power at that distance. 3, I own 3 Byrnas ( I just had to put that in there, and I don't think I own enough of them) . 4, it would be nice to see what the .43s ( PPQ ) with your uprated mags would do and also how fast the send the balls downrange. and you are right, someone downrange acting as your target would have been hit many times with each. and probably would not have been too happy and needed alot of ice packs. also you should test out that .43 AR-15 type rifle you had. ( I want one of them). well , look forward to seeing your next video.
Oh that TM4 would have been VERY accurate at that range but just doesn't have the power these are putting out.
The Gavle is far too powerful to get accurate shots with a 3g projectile. They are designed for heavy projectiles for accuracy and energy. This test is a bit lopsided.
Agreed.. hence my comment at the end ;) Its coming :) The Gavle has no real "equal" in the world of LTL.. Its in a league of its own.
@@AlternateArmsSDso is it safe to say the gavle is what you’d recommend for less than lethal, at least at this current time?
@@DarkArtsDeepDive the gavel is the most powerful that you can currently buy. Are you planning on carrying this every day? Is it something you’re going to want to conceal?
@@AlternateArmsSD thanks for the response, it would be a carry piece for my wife.
@@DarkArtsDeepDive Ok, for that I think Id look at the Byrna or Salt Supply. This is based solely on the loading and charging methods for the C02.
Great test Jon. Wish i had some stock launchers to try 😂
Glasses? You need binoculars from there 👀 pretty tough to get any decent sight picture at that distance on a purple headed skeleton slinger.
Yeah that was a LONG way for sure! :)
Interesting test. from that distance the bad guy may not be able to tell if you are holding a launcher or a firearm, unless it colored in safety orange or yellow. For accuracy of the launcher I think you should use a testing stand so each shot is consistent. also the time between each shot should be the same. I know you like to shoot Skully but I thing individual card board targets for each launcher would show a better picture over all even though the Gavel and S2 shot high due to the ammo. Keep up the Great work on testing and informing us. Can't wait for the next video.
Thanks man! Yeah, I avoid testing stands because you won’t have one when you need it in the field. I’m a great shot but the rounds were a bit light for these launchers. I need to show the build on skully. There are 10 variations depending on the power of the launcher I am firing at him.
Hey hey John!
Hey hey!
Great video, my next gun while be a Salt supply s2, it's be my 5th air gun, its like a thicker mub 50, same length I believe, i stocked up on 5 packs of 2.8g 100 count aluminum balls and 5 packs of 1.5 gram nylon balls, which does best with 11 j and up markers, I don't collect to many pepper rounds because they weakend in a few years, Im starter to collect devastated slugs for my torpedo revolver, I'm not sure how long these items a before laws change or something😀
Hey brother, thank you! Yeah, I figure we’re safe on the laws until they reclassify black powder weapons, and then eventually get down to us. However, I don’t think that will happen until some moron actually kills somebody with less than lethal so let’s hope that never happens. That’s a big part of the reason that you will never see me modify these over a certain point, as creating a lethal weapon out of a non-lethal weapon is never my intention.
I've never tried to hit a target at 60 feet because I know I'd miss 90% of the shots. I have done 30 feet and I can hit about half my shots dead center with my Byrna and LTL Bravo. I know they say effective up to 60 feet, but it's unlikely 95% of people could hit a target effectively at that range.
Just out of curiosity, do you use any kind of ear protection when firing these things? I see you with the safety glasses, but I don't see any ear protection.
I was testing my 40+ Joule HDX this past weekend when it was 108° out and the first 8 rounds went through 2 inches of rawhide leather like it was butter. I was using 3.8 gram rounds at 23 feet and honestly thought a 2 inch thick drop-down would be enough to stop the rounds since rawhide is a tough material.
Hey man! Yeah, this test was WAY out of the normal range for these.. BUT.. it was a question folks had so I threw it out there ;) Still, using pepper rounds, they would have been effective shots. I dont have any hearing protection but the room im in is much larger than it looks in the shots.
Good day. The HDX that you have is it powered by two 12 g CO2 cartridges ? I saw where you purchased it I was wondering if you were happy with it? Also, curious if it still looked brand new after they had completed their work upgrading it? Take care.
@@kurt9994 Yeah it uses 2x12 gram CO2, but they're releasing one soon that will use the 88/90 gram cartridges so you'll have a choice of which one you want. The 12 gram gives me 24 good shots before the power starts to really go down from what I can see.
I've been enjoying it and yes it looked brand new when it arrived in the HDX box. It came with all the accessories, 5 CO2 cartridges (not sure why it isn't 6 since it requires 2 at a time lol), and a bag of 25 riot balls.
@@Joreel I was wondering about the five cartridges myself on their website. I spoke with that individual that makes the videos I believe last week. They seem to have a good reputation. Of course the advantage with using the 12 g cartridges leaves the emergency activation intact as I understand. Thank you again.
@@kurt9994 yeah Claudio is a nice guy. He seems to be very good at what he does and keeping a business open for 25 years says a lot about a company nowadays. What did he say about the 5 CO2 cartridges?
Where can I find a decent holster for the Salt Supply S2 and also for a Byrna SD, please??
Oh oh oh I just did a review for Garys Holsters. Take a look at it and dont forget to tell them where you saw it ;)
Hello sir....a little off base but a quick question for you...I value your opinion and knowledge !...What type of oil/ silicone should I put on the tip of my salt 2 co2 cartridge...I know this is the great debate on the internet...but...Im going to use whatever you say...Thanks!!!! You have a gift for this stuff and I love watching your videos. You are #1....
Hey man! The Umarex marker oil is great. I’ve found that the pell oil can damage rubber seals over time so I stopped using it. Thanks!
You are the best!!! Thanks!!!
@@jakemcvie My pleasure man!
I just started watching but I think being fair is one thing but the potential of the device with shaped rounds should be an asterisk result if you can
Yeah a shaped round competition is coming.. There are several launchers that will use them these days.
Great videos, but I think using the recommended ammo and even the laser beam would be more accurate
Agreed! I’m a huge fan of the jule ammo.
Alternate Arms Self Defense: Is the Grimburg Gavle in this Video the UPGRADED 1.5 where you get 40 joules (the one that comes with the new o ring and 16 gram co2
It is indeed. This thing is an absolute canon. I have a couple of interesting tests planned for it in the near future :-)
@@AlternateArmsSD I have two of the original 1.5's that only use the 12gram co2. I just don't know if it's worth to send it back in to grimburg to get the 16g. - I have like 20+ 12g co2's sitting around, and I think 1 joule wouldn't make a massive difference.
@@KMWR1818You could just order the upgrade kit and do it at your house. It's a very simple process. You can still use the 12 g even when you upgrade. The difference in the bolt alone is worth the upgrade. It makes such a difference in how it performs. Also the co2 seals so well with that new o-ring
@@blackpowderpapa There is something that when you look at their website, you're unable to order and do it yourself (it requires you to send your gavle in to get it done in their HQ). Do you know what they're speaking of?
@@KMWR1818 I see what you're talking about. I'm just not sure why they would have to upgrade it. Maybe it's something to do with legal reasons. When I ordered my upgrade kit they shipped it right to my house and I installed everything.
What is your preference out of these for EDC? Thank you!
Each one has its own advantages and disadvantages (and their own fanbases). :)
For me, and in Texas, edc is easy as we are an open carry state. I tend to alternate my daily edc from time to time.
nice.
Thanks man!
Hello friend, good night, which one would you stay with if you could only choose one for self-defense, and which is the most powerful of all on the market?
You found another video :-) now the ones that are in this video are the top dogs in the less than lethal pistol market. Out of the box, you’re going to get the most amount of punch without any modifications.
So what one gun is the most accurate, most powerful, and with what type of ammo? Maybe you already have that video.
Greetings! That’s a very subjective question. It also depends on your intended use. For edc I’d look for them modified hdp50, the Byrna LE, or the Salt Supply S2.
@@AlternateArmsSD Self Defense, I'm an RV/camper and would like something for the RV and carry on the walking trails. The further away I can be gives me time to run.
@@AlternateArmsSD I'm watching your mod videos now. Thanks.
How many freedom units is the range?
60 on this test.. Well outside of the standard encounter range ;)
Another good review. I currently utilize a VNSH holster with Byrna. Any update on the Byrna CL? Let’s be careful out there.
Byrna has been a bit tight lipped about the CL... Ill drop them another line :) VNSH is supposed to get back to me but i have yet to hear anything.
Is the Grimburg and The 1st Strike the same Launcher?
@@plangullible6487 no, the Grinberg is its own creature. These guys developed this from scratch. It’s actually quite interesting talking to them, they definitely have an engineers brain :-)
@@AlternateArmsSD Thanks for the info . They look similar.
When will you have the pdp walther in stock
Hey brother, Umax has pushed the data a couple of times, but they continue to hold to the July date for me. The second I get word that they are on their way, I will post an update video because I know a lot of people want that launcher. Also, as an extra added bonus, I’m going to be modifying all of the magazines day, one for the launcher to maximum power.
I have a question what comes out faster the launcher or CO2 bb pistol for self defense
Im not sure how to answer that :) If the round is barrel matched, the round is travelling exactly at the speed of the C03 until it leaves the launcher. If it its a tad smaller, C02 will escape around the sides of the round.
@@AlternateArmsSD I mean example I have a lancer and I have a xde CO2 pistol is the aluminum faster than the bb pistol or the pepper ball faster than bb
@@roscoecummings3229 oh, I see what you’re saying. No, they are in a totally different league. Think about it like this, if you get hit by a BB at 450 ft./s and you get hit by one of these launchers at 450 ft./s this year volume of the round and the impact will be vastly different. I’ve actually considered doing a couple of videos using BB guns for self-defense but honestly, I couldn’t find any that had enough impact to warrant the video. There are some PCP pellet guns that certainly would be good, however, you are breaching the lethal zone when you use those.
@@AlternateArmsSD try the nightstalker and or the xde both have power that's what I have both Plus 2 launchers
@@AlternateArmsSD both are CO2 I would like to see that video myself
I still prefer my Byrna LE just because there is no twisting or punch button....I wish more manufacturers would go that route. I don't know why Salt Supply changed to a punch button. The S1 is a much better arming procedure.
I'm curious how different is it I've googled the s1 it looks like a tippmanx lol! Does it activate like the byrna first shot fire then it pierced or how does it work?
@@-SLEAZY- First trigger pull pierces the Co2 capsule....and the Byrna is only a first shot fire if you have the safety OFF - Load Co2 - put gun on safety - pull trigger once - take off safety and fire away.
Yeah, the Byrnas puncture method is definitely one of the cooler ones. The salt supply S1, tippmann, and TPX, and saber also use the same type of mechanism.
It’s a tad bit different, I actually have videos up on this one. The S1, Tippin, and Saber all have the exact same look and feel. They puncture on the first pull and then fire on the second.
you can leave the co2 pierced up to 24 hr in the salt supply and for the pressure build of the co2 the first shots come 25-30 joules. Try it trust me you wont regret it.