Audi TT RS vs BMW M2 vs Porsche 718 Cayman S: on the limit
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PART 4 OF 4: In the final part of our group test we put the timing gear aside and drive for fun, both on and over the limit. Which is the best sports car? DRIVETRIBE's Editor-at-Large Jethro Bovingdon delivers his verdict…
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A British car review isn't complete without the words, "lovely", "bonkers", and "bespoke".
Ravi Rajyaguru : and “brilliant” , “well-sorted”, “a bit”, “well-done”,”utterly”, “rubbish”
"jeeussst"
Don’t forget mental.
This engine sounds awesome when you push it to it's limits on the track! I know because I got one myself, and I believe that with an ECU-upgrade it's faster than the GT4 as well...
Totally disagree with your comments about the 718 Cayman S engine. I have owned 3 Boxsters (as well as currently a 911 GT3 RS). The Cayman S is by far the best engine of the Boxsters, sound is good, performance is great and gas mileage is excellent. The engine does not compare to the RS, but it is also about half the price.
totally agree, even without your experience.
i often joke that the 2,5 Cayman is, car over money, the best car now on the market. period.
it's 90% of everything and does everything great.
sport cars? it's awesome, and to have something significantly better you have to pay A LOT more.
everyday commuter? it's comfortable, easy to drive, with decent gasoline usage. to have better you have to give up A LOT on many others sides.
family car? it has more load capacity than many hatchbacks, and to have better, again, you have to give up a lot. try to stuff all the thing you manage to put inside a Cayman in any other decent light sport car, like the MX-5 or a GT86... it even has isofix hooks if you want to...
it's not perfect and there are many possible improvements, but seriously, it's probably the best car you can buy right now...
If you're talking of gas mileage with Sports Cars Engines, you probably shouldn't be driving one. Better buy a Corolla. Suffice to say you really don't understand the original Flat 6 and smoothness of that engine over this 4 cyl compromise by Porsche despite owning different Porsche models. Try to be one with your car and you'll never even want to touch a Flat 4 Porsche
Agreed. The flat fours are amazing. Even the base. Really usable on the road too. It’s almost a cliche to bang on about. Everyone here a couple of spoilt reviewer’s opinions (and that don’t own the car) and just join in. The original 718 was four cylinders, so arguably it’s more in keeping with the line’s heritage. Many Porsches have been four cylinders.
@@chiragghuman That’s just not true. The T, for example, is a wonderfully pure sports car. I have a base but specced like a T. I’ve drive MANY sports cars with all kinds of engine including many that were simply overpowered for the road. The car is sublime.
Cayman is a legit dream car... it's pretty obtainable too
Itay Tabib Same for me but the TTrs instead
A 5 year old Cayman with low miles goes for about half of MSRP, sometimes less, so I'll be looking for one of these in about 5 years.
The 718 Cayman S PDK properly set up for super car performance is around $100,000 US. You can spend up to $125,000 with carbon brakes and other interior upgrades. It's a remarkable car to experience. Those who make crass comments without behind the wheel experience are showing their ignorance, bias, and denial of automotive progress. Turbos are a key component in most Porsches today, and the engine will sound different while delivering exceptionally better performance and fuel economy. Porsche is also now able to be compliant with Euro emission standards that are becoming more and more rigid every year. Folks need to open their eyes.
Michael Persiano forget about super car performance give me a turbo manual Cayman to daily drive and I'm set
it's overpriced, ugly and sounds terrible.
Not my dream car, ill tell you that much.
Actually, after this 4th part, the 718 sounds better than some v8s, you really have to be brainwashed to hate it, or haters gonna hate it for sounding so good...
Drifting looks realy cool on review videos, but I honestly don't think it's a big selling point for street cars. Unless you're wanting to run over people at cars and coffee when you realize you're not Chris Harris.
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maybe you can't imagine, but there are non racecardriver who can drive and drift. so it's for them. you can buy the Audi ;)
donblub youre right mate😊😊😊😊
Exactly. You will probably not have the option of "oh let me swing by the track on the way home to burn my tires." He even said he has problems with it on the road. Then wtf is the point?
Go to a track RRR and just play around.
Also rwd platform allows for less weight and better weight distribution.
That's why the Audi tt feels nose heavy while the mid engine cayman feels far more darty and nimble with less weight up front. The tt is basically a golf chassis. It has a higher center of gravity than the Cayman. It's fast in a straight line but handles more like a economy car than a sports car.
You don't need to drift to notice that.
I own a porsche 718 boxster s, sound disappointing?? Never had that problem. Car is incredible, preferred the boxster over the Cayman as you get the choice of no roof, which here in Aus I find myself driving 70% of the time lol. The 718 is so refined its a 10/10 for me!;-)
This comment is exactly it. I own a 981 (2014 Cayman S) with the flat 6 and sport exhaust. Instead of comments like "I don't have any issues with how it sounds", I instead can say that when I open it up, I get goosebumps from that throaty growl. I get a smile, ear to ear and an exhilarating thrill from just the sound, and I wouldn't trade that ever for a bit more torque or half second lap time. The experience is why I love the car.
a @@Wrugoin13 This exactly. This flat-6 (and I have 2.7 Cayman) is just intoxicating. I'd only exchange for 4.0 718. But even then I'd miss very analogue and old-fashioned look of 981 exterior and interior.
I guess its like owning E46 BMW - you know they are not going to hit the same balance of perfection any time soon. A simple, reliable, luxurious sports car with one of the best-sounding engines.
Really good 4 part comparison, explaining how the pros and cons of each car while drifting sideways is auto journalism at it's best well done Jethro Bovington!
I have my second TTRS 2019 and they keep on getting better, love it!
John Hodgkins wow very lucky! Been my dream car for 9 years now. You are very lucky
I just got a 2021 TT RS. I coming from Lotus Evora 400...I like the change. Different but worth it.
Really entertaining video. The Porsche looked like a totally different experience versus the other two. It looked like a proper sports car versus two sedans. I'm majorly on the hunt for a base Cayman with the manual.
I have to admit the videos are just getting better and better ... Jethro is brilliant in expressing his thoughts on the cars he drives, love the word play :) ... Keep it up guys!
the 718 clearly doesn't have a bad engine. If its anything like a Subaru boxer 4, I'm sure its reliable and you can most likely get loads of power out of it. Its the sound that everyone is complaining about. I wonder if a nice aftermarket exhaust would help?
funny as i watch this months after release, i'm looking for videos about the Cayman as I hope to buy one soon. everyone bitches about the sound, but compliments the actual drive ability of the flat 4. if no one had ever heard the 6 i'm not sure it would even be discussed. all these 718 reviews people just complain about the sound. the flat 6 isn't that fantastic. it's not a Aston Martin V12, or Maserati or Ferrari, those engines sing. not sure it's necessary to ride the same band wagon and bitch about the sound of a 4 cylinder engine. I don't know many that stand out. It sounds like a Porsche, it sounds refined and in the high rpm range I think it's amazing. I'd be damn glad to own the 718 and listen to that wail every day.
sadubone I own mine and it has a sports exhaust...oh does it sound amazing😍
Great review...
TT is a street car that holds your hand and ensures you stay safe whilst getting you from A to B in the quickest time possible. The other two are more driver's cars but dont have the same straight line point and shoot power of the Audi.
I've test driven both 718 S and 981 S at the same time in a mountain road and the 981 6 cylinder doesnt have a chance to keep up the pace. The engine sound in the exterior is good too, obviosly not as good as the 6 cyl, but it has more growl and it is something subjective. But I didnt find any 4 cylinder turbo that revs so quickly, it flies up to 7250 rpm and that lack of smoothens is somehow substituded by a more mechanical and crispy feel that reminds me classy engines. The driver who owns the 981 S I was testing said he loves the punch and the engine sound in the 718 S. I am little bit tired of hearing that the engine break ups the whole package, as in the case of the 911, IMO it doesnt and make the car more usable and powerful.
if you've muted the video and only look at his expression, you will know which car you are going to get.
Love this video, Great to see a UK company making such useful, interesting and fun videos of comparison reports! Am waiting for their review of the new 2019 M2 Competition model.
I see no problem in the cayman engine really. It doesnt sound as a 6 cylinder but still....
Agreed. I had a 718 for the day yesterday and it was incredible. I thought it sounded really good. The 718 now has its own, unique sound, we should embrace it, especially since it comes with massive performance gains.
If the engine was an issue, the chassis would not have the chance to show its ability this well.
Leonardo Serra 35 HP more and max torque at 2000 RPM... and... with less consumption!👍
I think with a more free flowing exhaust you could unlock more audible enjoyment through turbo noises too. Different for sure, but likely not displeasing!
I'm genuinely suprised how well he can drift the cayman
The TTRS engine in the Cayman S chassis would be something I would like to drive.
That engine is great! 2.5turbo is way ahead, where a 981s with the 6 would be way behind both the M2 and TTRS. Sounds great too in my opinion. I've owned 3 Porsches, 2 air cooled 911s and a 06 987.1 Cayman S, and I think the flat 4 turbo is awesome. I've driven the 2.0L 718 with pdk back to back with my 987, and even though it's not as loud as the 6 it still has a very mechanical sound to the engine. This engine makes the car more dynamic too. 2 less cylinders mean less weight a little less out back reducing the urge to oversteer at corner entry. Bottom line, the flat four makes the 718 handle with a near perfect dynamic that makes this car better than all of the previous 981, 987, 986.
The 718 Cayman S is a beautiful amazing machine and sounds incredible...!
Put the inline 5 turbo into the Cayman. That way you get a proper baby supercar.
then they can't sell any R8's....lol
exactly my thought
Inner Hammer except it won't fit and would ruin the low center of gravity anyway etc etc etc
Inner Hammer I'd rather it's a flat engine but 4 cylinders than inline and 5. Bring back the flat-six - best engine configuration (on par with V10). Everything else is inferior
If you want a flat 6 just wait for the GT4. Anyway I know all the consequences but I'm just in fantasy mode now.
its like audi almost built a really, really, really good car, but at the last minute they were told not to try and compete with porsche.
thanks, vw...
max pieps It's almost like they have worked really really really hard to extract a good car from a terrible chassis, in the end they nearly managed it. What you wouldn't give for that Audi tech in a Lotus chassis.
ImBarryScottCSS that terrible chassis was probably vw's idea. audi knows how to make proper chassis (lmp1, original Quattro, DTM, TT clubsport...) but porsche has to sell far more units, as they only really build this type of car (suv don't count, as they're just fancier Q3s and tiguans).
its not a terrible chassis, but its a GTI/Golf R chassis, which competes at a lower level, the 718 cayman can go head to head with the 911/r8 and F-type , corvette , amg GT. all dedicated sports cars.... the engine is course and unrefined but the performance is still there.
max pieps it's better this way though...
at the end, they're both owned by vw hahaha
One of the best car channels on YT
I like how this is about which car is most fun and best experience to drive and not which car is fastest. Thank You!
What a great review and so nice sliding scenes. Well done. The great cars have. 4 Cylinder, Porsche 356, 919evo Hybrid, ..
Mate, one of the best unbiased and balanced reviews out there... congrats DRIVETRIBE for another professional video. Kudos dude. Dr Davin Lim
I don't believe it was unbiased when it came to judging the cayman against its big brother .
Yay Jethro again, was really worried the other voice was back!
great confrontation videos!! you make it so involving and fun. comparing the experience of driving with michelin star restaurant is just... beyond belief!! LOL thanx
I wish you would have included a road test. After all, that's where these cars will spend 99% of their time.
What a load of Bollocks! While I am the first to admit I love, love, LOVE the flat 6's in all their juicy iterations, he is sitting there bemoaning the engine of the 718 (a flat 4 2.5l turbo) that makes as much power as the old 997 Carrera S and with more torque down low! Are you kidding me?! The car equipped with PDK is bordering on ludicrously fast 0-60 4.2! And I suspect that Motor Trend (amongst other testers, etc.) may be able to get the time down to 3.8! Tuners are already salivating at the idea of a remapped ECU doling out shall we say between 380hp and 425! These would be potentially realisable numbers and output figures. Finally Porsche built the first 4 banger boxer engines far before Subaru ever did. Not Porsche? Totally Porsche!
Steven Sturgill being fast isn't everything. there are many cars faster than a Cayman that cost less. people don't but Caymans and boxsters to be the fastest. they buy them because they're enjoyable. that engine isn't anywhere near as sweet as the 6 was
Steven Sturgill If someone could convert it to 2-stroke...
Agreed, sound plays a huge role in the fun factor of a sports car, and the new engine just doesn't sound good.
Steven Sturgill WHAT THE FACK IS A "Bollock"?
Give me less power and a better sound. Power now days has gone to crazy levels. No need for more than 350 hp in a 1300 kg road car
Best review for sure..Cheers!
Just get a 981 and be happy!
. . why didn't you take the TT RS out in the wet?? . . And BMW out in the dry?? . . yup, that's my point . .
Because everyone knows AWD is better in the wet and RWD is better in the dry. Next you'll want them to make a video talking about how a car has 4 wheels
Wait for z4 m2 is not competitor of tt rs
Great review and killer driving!!
Funny how morons cry about automatic vs manual and doesn't even mention that M2 was tested on wet track and TT RS on dry... That's not fair! Still great series.
Stupid post betrays stupidity.
Malc180s you are one of these morons?
TheEryk03 it should be the other way around , to really show if quattro is any better than rwd in the wet conditions
xmark99x of course any of those cars on wet surface is more fun to drive... Even TTs on wet is quite a fun car.
quality stuff. keep it up!
The pricetag behind the 718 S is a bit too steep to compare, but I feel even a standard 718 would outshine these two.
Looking at pricing, the base M2 (+ sunroof and smartphone connectivity) comes to CAD$70,610 and the base 718 (+ sportchrono and connected nav) comes to CAD$69,970. Unfortunately Audi has removed the configurator for all TT models, but that would be at the bottom of my list anyway (unless I was looking for an all season sports car, rwd in a foot of snow wouldn't be any fun).
Does this Cayman has the PASM - 20 mm optional suspension & PTV mechanical limited slip ? It seems yes. It makes the car completely more track car...
Does the Cayman S has a Limited slip differential ( PTV) ? PASM suspension - 10 mm . or - 20 Mm ? It seems to be answered yes when you see the balance or the car with a good pilot...
Audi will never cure their understeer problem for as long as they insist on FWD platforms. 60/40 weight distribution is hard to negate , even with clever diffs.
A much bigger rear swaybar mainly solves the problem
@@alexnadeaupelletier2287 It does. I think they left the understeer in it to make it safer. Once you put a rear swaybar on it, it's a track monster!
@@alexnadeaupelletier2287 lol, a sway bar isn't going to turn a Audi TT into a mid engine rwd sports car.
Ok, so you don't like the Porsche engine but you never actually say WHY. Is it just a lack of character? Is the throttle response mushy? Is it just about the sound? Does it have a flat top end? Are you offended by the sheer concept of a turbo four instead of an atmo six? Porsche has a long history with flat fours and the 919 demonstrates that they have excellent form with them now. What's so desperately lacking with this engine?
Forth Sadler sound, character. It takes away from the experience. But hey, you can always buy an S or GTS from a previous year
So if I was good with the sound of the turbo four (and could afford a Cayman) then this would be ok. Still wondering what the engine is actually like in terms of actual characteristics though. All the reviews seem to settle on "It's not the six and I don't like it.". The fact that there's such consistency across reviews suggests that there's something in that but nobody actually says what the engine is like, just that it's not the six and it's yucky.
basically a Subaru engine
The sound and throttle response on a broader range.
";-)
It's a comparative thing. Years back I had a Boxster S and that flat six was just an utter delight. Smooth, revvy, powerful and sounded fab. I have also had a flat four Subaru, which was great fun but did not have the edge and engagement that the Porsche flat six had. It may seem that Porsche have scored a bit of an own goal by putting such an uninspiring lump in such an otherwise well rounded car. But in reality it is probably deliberate so that it does not damage sales of the newly turbo charged 991.2, which itself has lost something compared to the normally aspirated 991.1.
I think the driving King of 4 wheel drive Audi cars is still Walter Rohrl...
What do you mean it's not a Porsche engine? They won races with flat four engines
Right!!!
Wait for the 718 Cayman Gt4 .....bet that'll be a hoot with the 911s 4.0 flat 6
I wonder how much that will be
Thank you for telling it like it is Jethro with the engIne in the Cayman.
Great video, subscribed. I like all 3, can’t call the winner. Think for me it would be the BMW (shocker!), but the Audi next then the Porsche, for the money I would buy the 911 vs the Cayman.
I completed 242 laps on the Ring; June - July 2017;
I never found sound to be an issue.
unless you are hoping to impress another person; the sound is not an issue.
The M2 with a set of Bilstien B16 adjustable damping coilovers will be absolutely amazing, soften the damping a bit and it will be a proper drivers car!
the Cayman and the TT are 2 different offerts from VW group you can buy the one which suits your needs the best !
"There is no substitute" - Porsche
Yes, Lotus
was the RS driven with sport traction or no traction control?
I prefer TT RS this car have only 400hp, but acceleration 0-60 in 3,5 seconds is very impressive
Mega precise handling Cayman - magnificent. But that generator is just sad :(
Was the Porsche equiped with the Performance Exhaust ? It is such a shame that Porsche decided to not offer the flat 6... I was test driving a pre facelift Cayman S with manual gearbox and surely was much more enjoying the incredible, emotional feeling of the car than I was missing the torque of a turbo engine..
Great vids but please please please Mr editor, up the volume of the narrated parts! Those parts are so much lower in volume than the rest of the vid...!
And of course... the Cayman S prevails! I really liked this series...
...i guess you Porsche fan boys have been fans of Porsche for about mmm 5
years in total now...Porsche have had 4 cylinder engines since the dawn
of time...and a 4 cylinder Turbo engine in the early 80's...so they've
put 4 cylinder Turbos in the Boxster/Cayman/718 now..wow i'm so
surprised! are you guys?
Question on the Cayman engine. Could an aftermarket exhaust spice things up a bit? Or it is more than that? I agree it just sounds flat.
And reading further through the comments I didn't realize the new Cayman's were 4 cylinders. I thought it was reminiscent of a Honda K-series. Just a bit thoaty'er.
haven't seen as many vids from this channel recently. Always quality Henry still missing. Release more content
I actually like the sound of the Cayman's engine. I know it's not as vibrant as the previous 6-cylinder, but I feel that they needed to differentiate between the 911s and the Cayman/Boxter (718) line. Perfect car imho.
Cactaceae33 Ha! I've driven one, it's awful.
Still an excellent film 3 years later
JB really dumped on that Cayman's "generator". Totally agree as most people do. If you own a Cayman boxer 6 then you had better hang on to that masterpiece. Not because it might be an "investment" and "appreciate" but so you can appreciate it by ringing it's neck every time you drive it !!
Having owned both the TT and Boxster. I think the Boxster understeers just as much as the TT when you really push it hard. Just the TT does it sooner, but the TT will let you put power down where the Boxster won't. They're different ideas on how to go fast and both are ultimately great cars.
Agree 100% on the Cayman engine. Exactly why I won't be purchasing one. Hopefully they return to NA in the next Spyder and GT4.
arsxs04 same am ready to buy but the engine sucks too much.
When I moved to Germany I had three cars in mind, M2, 718 Boxster and Golf GTI. After watching and reading many reviews I thought the M2 would be the one, the Boxster was on my list because I love Porsche’s, the GTI because honestly it’s all you really need. I test drove them all. After 15 minutes in the M2 I took it back to the dealer, why? It’s loud, rides like a truck and cheap inside. I knew after an hour in the car it would be tiring. Next was the Boxster, I started off in the entry level, cheap interior and underpowered, next the S, better but still disappointing, last the GTS, beautiful interior finally felt like my expectation of a Porsche. Last was the GTI. It’s a great car for the money but after the other 2 it felt ordinary. I ended up buying a Boxster GTS and the day I signed the contract a guy drove out of the dealership in a 981. I said to the salesman “that car sounds much better than the 718” he said “the turbo 4 is better in every other way” I’ve had the car for 2 years now and regret buying it because I just can’t get over the fact that it sounds like a tractor.
This is a good line up
My personal favourite is the Porsche, since it has a certain look about it. Anyway, I like the Porsche because it’s cheapish, if they put a 6 cylinder in it they will raise the price to well over the $200k mark.
But great videos guys keep them coming.
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Yes, my car of choice won this test. Without doubt a superb sports car at every situation.
No spins out at all? And I wonder how many laps he has completed to get such a perfect video?
Porsche know that the paupers who crave a 911 will settle for a 4cyl cayman. It wasn't that long ago that reviewers were heaping praise over the 4cyl 968 club sport.
I own an M2 and have driven a new 718 Cayman and have to agree with his decision. Having said that, I'm sure glad that I get to listen to the mellifluous cadence of an inline six rather than the harsh, discordant sound of a Subaru-esque flat four. Had Porsche still put the flat six into the Cayman I probably would have bought it over the M2.
The fake engine noise coming through the speakers in the M2 is maddening!!!
This guy doesn’t know his a$$ from a hole in the ground. This is, by most accounts, “the” premium 4-cylinder engine on the planet. I have no idea why some are whining about the sound of this engine. It’s brilliant in sound and performance. Brilliant! In fact, the GTS is a masterpiece of German engineering.
Is it Audi chassis or the design that causes the understeer or the terrible weight distribution or maybe the 4 wheel drive system
So this is the second time Porsche has won a Drivetribe comparison test, can we keep the string alive?
front discs on M2 look like theyre heat cycled properly!
Chill out mate the engine is not that bad. If you own one it sounds good in the flesh and everyone I've taken out in my 718 said it sounded good and was great fun to be in
Totally agree
sorry, had 981 and 781..prefere the 781.the car is right as it has more power, dont follow the yt crowd
That's the problem usually....great track cars seldomly are also great road cars.
I prefer the looks of the older Caymans over this new one tbh. The engine... well it sounds okay but not nearly as exciting as the inline 5 from the Audi. The M2 looks like a good allrounder.
I don't know, if I had to choose I would probably go with the Audi. Yes the M2 and the 718 might be more fun on the track but things like the engine sound is something you will enjoy everytime you go for a drive while drifting a car or racing on a track is something you don't do all the time.
I'm actually quite curious as to how those 3 cars handle on mountain roads. Jeremy did a review years ago of the RS4 in the alps and absolutely loved it (but on the race track when they compared it to the C63 and M3 he said it looked boring). So now I wonder if the new TTRS would be just as fun on mountain roads as the RS4 was.
Brakes can be fixed with the M2 with M Performance pads, or other dedicated brand. M2 for me - loved mine.
i've been listening to these whining about the flat 4 of 718 for 5 years now.
i've seen countless YT videos where the host inevitably, always, continuously, repeat how the 718 is a spectacular car "but the engine sound..." (the only possible exception seems to be Paul Schmucker in Everyday driver: "stop being babies")
now, i came to realise one thing and i write it here since is a well know channel and a beautiful video.
yes the flat 4 doesn't sound like a flat 6.
and that's why IT IS NOT a flat 6.
does a flat 6 sounds better? maybe. probably.
but i can also argue that a flat 6 doesn't sound like a V8.
were all the whiners in line to buy the Porsche 928 because the 911 did sound like a rattling dishwasher with its aircooled engine missing 2 cylinders? i don't think so. yet the V8 did sound great.
and i can argue also that any V8 does not sound as great as a V10.
are all the 911ers rushing to buy a Gallardo? is everybody crying how everything sounds worse than a Viper? is the LFA on the top of All Times Best sellers? still doesn't seems so.
and i can go on saying that a V10 is kinda worse than a V12.
and not to say about the flat 12.
how is not anyone bashing their heads about how dumb and senseless is life outside anything less than a Ferrari Testarossa?
are all those crying about the sound of the 718 with their a* on a Testarossa and i missed it? is anything worse than a Cavallino unworthy to be considered?
now, the 718, especially with the 2,5L, is IN EVERY MEASURABLE WAY better than the previous version.
more power, more torque, less weight, less pollution, less components.
in some way, it's even better than the GTS with the flat 6: is lighter, simpler, more comfortable, costs significantly less, and consumes and pollutes less.
is a 6 cyllinder "better"? well, i guess a 250 GTO is even better...
Problem with the N/A flat six was that it was simply too weak for nowadays standards. The top hot hatches could compete with it. Particularly the non-S Cayman.
I would personally pick the TTRS but damn that M2 does look fun to drive
This comparison doesn't really make a lot of sense to me, and neither do the conclusions you draw. They're similar cars price wise and people may cross-shop them, but fundamentally they're 3 very different cars hoping to achieve different things. Testing for 'fun' in different weather conditions is not fair and expecting an AWD car of any kind to behave in the same sort of 'fun' way to a RWD one is just stupid. RS cars are AWD for a reason, and that reason is speed, expecting it to drive like the others and then call it not fun when it doesn't is a bit unfair. You also tell us that the engine in the 718 is bad, and I can accept that it doesn't sound as nice as the flat 6, but in every other conceivable way, it's better. You don't actually say at any point WHY it's so bad.
The most infuriating thing about this entire test is the fact that 2 cars have manual gearboxes when they BOTH come with DCT gearboxes. You could have had a much more objective test but for some reason decided not to?
Can someone please tell me, other than the sound, what exactly is wrong with the Porsche motor? All I see is people complaining about the turbo but the other two cars are turbo aswell. I really don't see what the problem is.
The Audi engine, the balance of the Porsche, and the grin inducing silliness of the BMW all together in one package...sadly perfection doesn't exist, so I'd spend the money (if I had it) on a 981 Cayman GTS.
How can the Audi TTRS's brakes be : "...good, but not better than the BM's: which are still rubbish. " ? Which is better then ? Are the brakes in the TTRS good or not for track use ? ( I see 6 pistons in front, no ? )
song at the beginning????
I love how you are honest and dont just praise the car, you point out the cons. Please keep that, very rare to find a channel that is honest and is not just saying bullshit for money.
Like personally I was tricked into believing that the M2 is an unbeatable beast in the segment until you pointed out that there are a lot of things it lacks in. For example, all the things i have heard about the m2 i have never heard that the brakes were that bad. No one had the balls to point it out.
I drive a 981 Cayman S. The flat six ... oh hum, it just sounds so nice inside. I love the sound of the engine when you step on it as it moves up in gears, and its music when you go fast, brake hard and go into a turn...idk, the engine really makes the driving experience special. The four just isnt as "fun." Sure it performs better, but that's not everything.
Exactly. I drove the 987 S, 981 GTS and GT4 Clubsport and they are fantastic. All of them. The new 4 pot is just wrong.
james liu neither one of you fools really drive a Porsche.....both of you drive base Camarys I bet.
Audiwan Kenobi your an idiot
I never said i own all those cars, but do you know that you can drive cars you don´t own.
james liu hey thanks!
There nothing wrong with the engine, think this needs to be made clear. It doesn’t sound like the previous gen cars, takes away from some of the drama and I get that, however the current engine is up on power and performance so it is better
We have a 981s and now a 718s and the engine noise is a slight issue but everything else and I mean everything is better
man... so sad.
I want a proper sportscar that I can drive in the snowy canadian winters. I don't want a garage queen, I want something that can handle all weather.
The Cayman and M2 just aren't practical for rush-hour traffic on snow-covered hills... I was hoping the TTRS would be the solution, but I don't want to sacrifice the fun that I currently enjoy with my RX8.
STI and Evo are just not nice enough inside.
I just cant find a car in this price bracket that has what I want :(
The previous gen Cayman would not even be getting compared to these 2 stella performers, as its just too slow. The 718 is an incredible car and its engine is unique and interesting. Its on a whole new lvl to the previous gen, completely different car now so no use comparing the 2. There are pros and cons to both, good to be able to choose. I have a 718bs, tuned and piped it and its fucking awesome 👏 porsche messed up with that crummy left over from the 6 exhaust thou. Needs a proper one like mine built for the 4. Now with 400hp and 520nm its as fast as the new gt4 for half the $$ - Start up and track noise here.
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Porsche did put back a manual gearbox in the GT3, surely we'll see a Cayman with a 6-cylinder engine ?
The Cayman 718 GT4 will have a 4.0 flat six.