Why a Superman Game is so Hard to Make
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ย. 2024
- It had long been suspected and rumored that WB games was working on a Superman video game. The game never came out and fans assumed that it was either just made up rumors or pure speculation, until recently. Recently, it was leaked that WB had been working on a Superman game of some kind since 2013, but that game never came to fruition. Today, we wanted to take a look at why Superman games are so hard to make, even though the Batman Arkham games like Batman Arkham Origins, Arkham Knight, Arkham Asylum and Arkham City were so successful. #SupermanGame #WBGamesMontreal #BatmanArkham
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These problems assume a Superman game has to take place entirely on Earth. Make it a space travel game. Have him go to Apokolips and fight Darkseid, Kalibak, others, and parademons. Have him go to Warworld and take on Mongul and other supergladiator type enemies. Have him go to the negative zone and fight Zod and other enemies in there. Have him go to an alien planet and fight Brainiac. Puzzles with Mr Mixyzptlk. There are plenty of options to keep Superman powered and give plenty of options
This only solves premise and threats though. It doesn't solve gameplay problems.
This is very true.
I'd say my dream Superman game is very ambitious idea. I would honestly like for there to be a main Metropolis map, a Fortress of Solitude home base area, as well as a story that takes you into space and on to other planets for missions (not entire planets of course but world space instances. I guess this game's "dungeons"). But like I said that's super ambitious and I don't realistically see us getting something like that soon.
But yeah you would definitely have to be fighting powerful enemies for combat and if they do bring in the less powerful ones it will have to be delicate situations that you might have to solve with fact thinking and perhaps with puzzle elements.
Kai Williams That's a great Idea for a Superman game.
These days we get space games,beyond good and evil 2 where we can go to space.Maybe this maybe a thing in ps5 or ps6 (unlikely) consoles. If they make this I guess Dragonball games would be heavily inspired to improve flight boundaries. These days Batman Arkham and Darksouls games are a major inspiration for modern games. I bet superman will be an inspiration to other games
I think we just don’t have the technology to make a good superman game yet.
@@themadtitan7603 Here is a simple story from a comic. Superman finds away to bring Kandor back to full size. Lex sends parasite and bizaro to destroy it as the citixzens are still weaker they haven't absorbed much sun yet. They respond by attacking back against humanity and that starts a war with superman got in the middle. The millitary leader general lane hires Lex to build a anti kroptian task force to fight back. Manchester black is given complete parden for all his previous crimes if he joins. You could even do the multiple ending thing save earth kryton dies again save kryton earth dies hard mode save both.
I played a Superman game and it’s called Saints Row 4.
This doesn’t make sense
Ha I basically just commented that. Then I read yours. RIP
@@tadpoles4379 minus not being immune to damage in saints row 4 you are a super powered god
Fuck you andrew. Toby Was the better Spider-Man.
@@johnnysins5913 😂😂😂😂
Easy, just make Superman fight Muhammad Ali clones
I understood that reference!
@@DegenerateJay i understood both references!!
We don't want the game to be impossible now, do we?
Didn't he empower himself in that story?
Dumbest comic ever that means Muhammad ali also has infinite strength like superman
You could have him discovering his powers as he’s growing up cuz in most renditions he doesn’t have his powers right off the bat
this is great idea we play as teen superman
Like earning his powers throughout the story mode that’s a great idea
@@RondoArchived something like god of war
I would play this
Problem is, most versions of Superman eventually reveal "every power he has is the same as every other Kryptonian under a yellow sun" which means Zod (for easy example) doesn't have to spend years to 'learn' heat vision. Which leads to Man of Steel's problem with Zod overcoming the Earth atmosphere illness he had for... What, 5 minutes? Clark had asthma and fought to breath earth air for a LONG time, according to Martha.
How about just making him losing powers in the beginning and you would have to slowly build him back up to fight ultra bad baddy?
With customization of course
IF there is good reason for it. then yes
Weakened powers but not lost.
@@MayoAddict475 Parasite did it. HE got teleported to a planet with a red sun. He was never superman that was all in his head. There are all silver age comics were he is weakened that happened alot in silver age
Could literally just do the Death and Return, starting with the Death.
Just my thoughts :
Make it so that Superman is starting his career, and is still learning the way to do things, then you can have dialogue and choices that impact metropolis and Superman's friends in the long term, ( for this the writers have to make us care about said characters).
As for the combat, normal thugs should be of no harm to superman, but to metropolis, making it so that the priority isn't to defeat these criminals, but to save the people they threaten, and if you don't, metropolis will deteriorate.
Lex Luthor's thugs should have kryptonite bullets making it so you have to dodge them, then disarm them, or just punch them and deal with the story consequences.
Then you can use the more powerful villains to let Superman use his full power, be it in metropolis (where you'd have to worry about defeating said villain without destroying the city), or in space, where shit gets real.
All of these choices would culminate in the final state of metropolis and public approval of Superman, making for different consequences throughout the game (more criminals, with more resources, and characters start to dislike you), and different endings.It would also allow different playstyles.
Superman should unlock more powers as he levels up, and you shouldn't be allowed to destroy metropolis simply for the sake of making the game work.
TL;DR : You try to be Superman, if you do it right something happens, if you don't something else happens.
Just my thoughts, if you have anything to add or want to point something out, be my guest.
Paulo Souza this has to be the best one, so far
This is how I thought to do it as well. I was thinking about making it to where if you engage with street level criminals, you have to defeat them gently/indirectly or you'll kill them and ruin public perception of you. I was also thinking about Lex Luthor minions appear sporadically with the Kryptonite like elite mooks so that way it doesn't feel like there's suddenly a factory producing kryptonite bullets and weapons for everyone. I would want a couple of instances of Mr. Mxyzptlk appearing just to screw with Superman, Lobo, Bizarro, and then cap it off with Darkseid or Braniac. Maybe have him do a forced team up with Lex. Just to get a bit of his "rogue's gallery" showcased. And like you said, do these boss fights without causing damage to the city. Other than that, not really different than what you were suggesting.
That's amazing!!!
I would concur 100% with this aspley gamers that are not familiar with the superman feel.
Says like a another DC Telltale game👍
Imagine an open world Superman game in which you can fly miles up in the sky and fly by airplanes with little kids waving at you in the distance.
If only i could also go into a crowd of civilians and kill them all with my heat vision like homelander
That would be sick
@@nightnblade4348 🤨
@@nightnblade4348 the edge is strong here
Dude...i myself look forward to the future "Ready Play One" style game-playing.
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Lol
Homelander is the biggest douche bag of a Superman 😂😂
I really don't think the 'he's too OP' argument is valid anymore. Look at Kratos and his new game. We knew Kratos was going to destroy the Norze mythological gods because he destroyed the Greek ones and yet we loved the game all the same! The main thing that people forget is that "people with guns" aren't the only villains for characters. Like with Kratos, use people who challenge the majn character. Darkseid, Apokolips, Kalibak, Mr. M. Go to other planets, make the justice league fight against him or something!
Something is always impossible until its done!
Minor Ears people would want to fly to the sun and other planets so ik they’ll make it even harder to make
Still way more difficult than Kratos
Kratos has the playstyle of a warrior of Sparta, can use shields, swords, dodge, etc similar to other combat games like dark souls
Superman is more simple than that, and more destructive making it a lot more difficult
@Conrad Kujur well I was in reply to his comparison to GOW
And no offense but those game don't hold a candle to GOW
I guess if you want to make a Superman game like the DBZ games that are more fighting mashing game type esc that try to be adventure then sure, but those games are pretty bad imo(except DBFZ or old Tenkaichi games but those are more towards fighting/anime games)
If they want to go for GOTY superman that rivals Spiderman or Batman and is more action adventure, then that would be more difficult for Superman
People would only want to fly to other planets as much as they want Spiderman to go to other cities - so use a barrier like every game. A key feature of the game, to make him go to other planets would be the Watchtower. Easy.
YFN, just because Superman is tied to media doesn't make him any different to another character like Spiderman. Spiderman has his own lore, yet they didn't follow it in his game did they? Batman has his own lore yet they make games wirh Batman time and time again. Lore isn't a problem.
Bruce, the combat system is not a problem. Numerous games have their own combat systems. That's like saying Spiderman would be more difficult because he doesn't use swords. They both punch. It'd be the same as Goku, Batman + Marvel games.
As I've shown, Superman is entirely possible to make, it'd just require a willingness to do so and a clear goal whilst doing so. The reason we think it isn't possible is because nobody has really gave it a good shot.
@@minorears5205 it's possible alright
I never said it wasn't lol
But the DBZ games are not good games to go off of
They would also have to nerf him severely if he fights criminals and they want him to combo like the Arkham games
And it's not Soo much as yes JUST make him travel to planets "easy" that's not how it works lol
New York and Arkham city have a lot of depth for a reason and those aren't that easy, yet you want planets...
Dc universe online is the closest to a superman game we'll ever get lmao
And the funny thing is your character either barely resembles him or looks exactly like Him lmao
@@nouveill3445 dc universe is fun asl like i remember the first time i played it i was just mind blown still am
@@matrixghost yo whats your name maybe we can play some time depending on your server
@@matrixghost it's a bit boring and it's too clumsy for internet connection.
A Monster with a Horned on top could be a good choice cause Hollywood have use Doomsday because of King Kong and others Monster movies . So for me a Superman movie have lex Luthor and Superman Team up will be interesting . I know I didn’t followed Apple that much , But I was thinking about a possible IOS game for Superman . Injustice God Among Us and Injustice 2 did it better , Superman And Lois Disappointed . But ya villains I will like to know it , from Game and Movie first .
To tie into the “city heath” feature give him full access to his powers and make the world fully destructible. Have a populated city where bystanders can be hurt or killed if Superman doesn’t control himself or isn’t aware of his surroundings. The more damage he causes or allows the more the populace turns against him. He really cares how people see him after all. When the super villains show up it’ll add extra challenge and dimensions to combat. Imagine slugging it out with Lobo and trying to not destroy the city.
Didn't they do that in one game?
@lrighetti3 Well no, the villains should be challenging. Just don't expect the challenge to come from taking on a street gang.
@@Mark73 That's the thing. They did, but it flopped. It's one strike and you're out with Superman, it seems. Technology has come a long way and lots of new ideas are out there that could be used, so it's not like another open world game where the focus is protecting the city or the people would turn out exactly like a movie tie-in from 13 years ago.
I was also thinking of Superman doing more risky challenges. Such as saving citizens from a burning building without destructing the burning building and possibly getting people hurt or killed.
That would be awesome
Possible solution to Superman being OP: You know how he holds back and pulls his punches depending on the person he is fighting? Like for doomsday or Zod he goes all out but for stopping the average mugger he pulls back a LOT of his punches, turn that into a game mechanic that changes how difficult it is to beat a character without killing them.
That should be a player choice in my opinion. Otherwise it would make the player really frustrated. I think it would be awesome if they had a morality meter just like Infamous. Superman can easily snap a man in half. But resisting the urge to do that because it would be the easier option would make for a great gameplay mechanic. It would make the player restrain his power but actually have the choice to give in and take the easy way out.
Bryce Peters ooo I like that!
No, It's not difficult. It just requires creativity.
For example....
*▪Don't reduce his power; replicate his responsibility of controlling his superpowers so that he doesn't overdo it.* If you pour it on too much, you create collateral damage in the environment through the reckless use of your superpowers
*▪Game play should be based in having to hone his powers by hitting a 'sweet spot'.* Superman's perpetual challenge is to use Kryptonian superpowers to save the world when they could just as easily be used to break it. Simulate this challenge that he's always had to navigate in the comics
*▪Put a timer/destruction meter on each task.* Superman's job isn't to just beat up the bad guys. It's to save lives and property. Stop the redundant NPC enemies you have to wade through in level play before too much damage is done, otherwise Superman's not really saving the day now is he?
*•Remove these barriers in the boss fights.* Crank it up and cut loose with his powers when fighting supervillains in the boss fights
*▪Explore all 3 aspects of him -- Superman (hero); Clark Kent (investigative reporter); Kal El of Krypton (alien).* Have levels that require him to sneak around and uncover evidence as Clark Kent, the investigative reporter; levels where he can't use his superpowers. This incorporates the same fun of Batman and Spiderman games by using Clark as the detective
*▪Use corresponding villains for his three identities.* The Kal El/alien missions should see him facing General Zod, Brainiac, and Doomsday. Superman/hero gets Darkseid, Mongul, Bizarro, Cyborg Superman, Metallo, etc. The Clark Kent/investigator missions should put him on the trail of uncovering Lex Luthor
*▪Take him everywhere he has connections.* Don't just keep him in Metropolis the whole time. Take him to Smallville, the Fortress of Solitude, the Hall of Justice, even to outer space (to assist the Green Lantern Corps on a galactic mission or two!)
*▪Increase XP with heroic last second rescues that amazes everyone.* Get bonuses whenever you stop bullets, bombs, and trainwrecks at the last possible moment. Ya know, like a superhero!
*▪Use Superman to inspire hope.* That's why he's here in the first place, is it not? Make gameplay affect public opinion of you in Metropolis, and have the choices you make when stopping other supervillains earlier in the story determine the ending. If Superman has to always make the correct decisions every time, so should you
*▪Lex Luthor should be responsible for the most wretched things imaginable, but will get away with it no matter what.* Superman should personally know all the top secret science projects & classified military operations Lex is involved in, but Superman can never gain the indisputable evidence he'll need that'll stand up in court to legally bring down Lex. Have the people of Metropolis continue blindly adoring Lex as a genius & philanthropist. Since the point of Superman is to inspire hope, the point of Lex Luthor is to frustrate Superman so much that even he starts to question if it's hopeless in a world where men like Lex Luthor can rig the system and get away with their crimes
*▪The overall experience should not only be fun, but to emphasize the immense responsibility Superman has.* Storytelling in gaming has advanced enough by now that gamers could handle such a meta message. Who says a video game can't also have artistic merit?
*▪And for Chrissakes, no Batman appearances!* He's had enough movies, games, TV shows, and animated movies by now. The objective here is to establish Superman as a viable franchise character. If it's a hit, you can bring in Supergirl and Superboy into the fold for the sequels, but the focus must always remain on Superman
That's it, guys. That's your recipe for a good Superman video game. It can absolutely be achieved as long as you approach it with creativity, and honor the most storied source material in comic book history. It won't be easy, but a great Superman game never should be. Making good games for Superman is supposed to be difficult, otherwise the character would never evolve to overcome contemporary challenges
@Virgil Hardjo They're better than yours..... oh, wait, that's right-- you don't have any do you? None outside of the generic "reduce his powers" angle that never works in Superman games because the gamer never feels like he's getting the true experience of playing as Superman
Great thread. Read the entire thing and agree with every single point. I'm not a fan of timed missions and stuff like that, but it's very fitting in this aspect.
@Virgil Hardjo How exactly do you get "paid"? Lol, stop acting like you're cool, because right now, all you're doing is making yourself look like a fucking dumbass.
I agree with the spirit of this, but all of these things sound like they would make for an incredibly tedious, and, to put it frankly, unfun game. All of what you described are things people complain about in modern games, and... like... just wouldn't be fun. There's a fine line between "challenging" and "tedious" and the game you described would probably skirt the line at best. After all, you're not talking about punishing mechanics in the same sense as Dark Souls, where the game is punishing your misuse of it's mechanics, most of these mechanics seem to punish you for using them, which isn't fun.
All in all nobody wants to play a game to find out that being Superman sucks balls (which it does, being most superheroes would suck serious balls). We want to feel the power of being Superman, the fights that only the Last Son of Krypton can have, and to feel the righteousness that can only come for fighting for truth, justice, and the American way swell in our chests. If I wanted to play a game that is designed to frustrate me, I'd just play "Get Over It", not a game where I should feel like an untouchable monolith of justice..
Maybe I'm being whooshed, I don't know, I'm inclined to assume you're serious because of your responses prior but... regardless, I liked the thought.
Why tf is the comment and most of the replies so unnecessarily long
I personally want a Wonder Woman game.. It can be like God Of War mixed with Arkham games.
Amazing content Jay keep it up
That's exactly what I wanted comment, she's an amazing option to the dark knight
I want flash or Green arrow game.
@@EduardoRamirez-nw9rs Exactly!
@@MayoAddict475 I think Flash Could work and have side missions with Captain Cold similar to the Mr Freeze boss battle
Bill Expresses
Which style of GoW are you talking about? The mechanics of the Old or New Saga, because their styles are completely different.
I wish we could see a good Superman game, but you're right there's some more hoops to jump through to make it good.
I had that idea how about heat route to plans planets find space aliens and stuff and different buildings on the on the planet he still go to Earth to do stuff is a good idea make a map to travel to planet to planet
Just play megaton rainfall it’s basically a Superman game
The more you make him human the less you make him superman
That pun... OOF
Jim Aldridge It’s a shame the developers seemed to have abandoned the game
Why does the game have to take place on earth? show his adventures looking for krypton with way more powerful enemies threatening him
That's fair. It would be easier in a cosmic setting.
Superman is the defender of Earth, won't going beyond that be an invasion?
ZenoDLC not really he could be lost or have gotten captured and has to fight his way off the planet
Cosmic level threats in a cosmic setting are the only way a superman game could work.
Well on Krypton he wouldn't have superpowers :D. He would be just a normal person. What makes him "Super" is our Yellow Sun :)
I think the best way to make a superman game would be to start the game with a young Clark Kent, like smallville that way you can justify him being depowered and you can learn abilities and get stronger as the game progresses
Best way is a world where the JL is killed off by Darkseid and superman escapes and returns decades later into a Darkseid populated world where everybody is alien, therefore they can kill him when working together
@@Ok-eg8dg sounds awesome way ttoo hard to explain lol
@Conrad Ferrus no it starts off in smallville as young Clark and the world expands as your powers evolve and the game progresses
Maybe have the game be about controlling your powers and when to use a certain level of force and restraint
What about a sequel?
Can't have him go back to learning his powers again
I thought this was one man talking over himself
They didn't introduce themselves and just started talking.
@@DeSoulTV I think is adorable hahaha,...Meow
@@meghansmith7884 uh tf bro?
@@genopie2673 Im not ur bro bro😂...Hissssss
@@meghansmith7884 are you ok?
And since I mentioned this in a reply, I'd like to put it on the main thread: What if Superman's powers work differently than we assume. What if he can't do everything all the time and has timers, cooldowns, exhaustion and such, but never TELLS anyone so they can't exploit these limitations. I'm not saying there should be an array of meters cluttering the screen, but that there are ways to generate tension. Heat vision, cold breath, super speed and super senses can't come cheaply (in a biological sense), or else we'd see him use those abilities far more often.
Cool Idea
He does have a cooldown for his cold breath, and its how long it takes for him to breath in again. Putting that kind of thing on powers would get annoying pretty fast also. And he does get tired. Though hes immune to most damage, that doesnt mean he doesnt get tired of carrying things. I imagine he might sometimes just sleep when he hits the bed like humans do when theyre extremely tired. But, there i believe there are also powers, even if they've been added recently, that superman only uses when hes truly out of options. Remember that one adult cartoon, ( atleast i assume its adult, or atleast mature, since it has swearing,) where these... either three or four ppl fight him and almost kill him. After he gets beaten to near death, he seems to show signs of having telepathy and telekenesis, and some kind of crazy ability to destroy ppls power at the source. If anyone knows what show im talkin about, plz tell me the name.
Edit: the name of the show is superman vs the elites.
@Intensity Fit Club It's strange. I do keep running into this attitude of "Superman can do ANYTHING and EVERYTHING at ANY TIME and I won't accept that he has any kind of limitations!!" I'm no expert, but those citations sound like Golden- or Silver-age Superman back when he was so OP he was rearranging solar systems and such. I understand the sentiment, but in order to have a compelling character with obstacles to overcome and room for growth, that simplistic, almost childish hero worship needs to be tempered with some modern-age reality if we are to bring this idealized god-being into focus and tell good stories.
I also hesitate to draw a correlation between those who have this attitude and those who believe very strongly that "might makes right" in all situations and would make Superman their king if they could, but there has been a lot of overlap. Again, I don't wish to draw too fine a point on this subject, but that is why it doesn't surprise me to see the previous comment come from "Intensity Fit Club".
As with all of my what-ifs, take them with a grain of salt or dismiss them entirely. I just like to get people thinking in new and exciting directions.
@Intensity Fit Club woah chill, it was just an idea
@Intensity Fit Club actually he does have a cooldown, cuz he does still breath ya know. Seriously, the people of the golden and silver ages needed a hero that could do anything to keep hope in that time. And why so get so triggered over something so stupid? Just stop.
When I think of Superman, I think of part of one of his quotes:
“I feel like I live in a world of cardboard, always taking constant care not to break something. To never lose control or someone could die.”
Personally, I think restraint should be a theme in a Superman game. It should really put you in place of Superman and give you the ability to destroy everything around you if you aren’t careful. Allow for public opinion to shift against him if you do. The way I would do it is:
Have Superman getting frustrated in the beginning and struggling with control. Lex Luthor starts campaigning for mayor or president and to help his campaign - he has a robot reeking havoc on the city, Superman shows up to fight it. Robot self destructs and blows up a decent chunk of the city. Lex blames Superman for it and starts holding anti-Superman rallies.
Public completely turns on Superman and demands he turn himself in. Lex wins president/mayor and starts putting Superman security measures all over Metropolis or the US or maybe he even talks the UN into making the entire planet anti-Superman and puts security measures all over the planet. Superman doesn’t risk going to the fortress of solitude and goes to space. He spends some time wrestling with the idea of going back to earth and questioning whether earth really needs him.
He decides he’s going to make a home on another planet and ends up caught in one of Darkseid or Zod’s plans for that planet of beings that are similar to humans. He gets his aggression out in the scheme of things and finally tests his strength against a being that can handle it. Back on earth, Lex has started to show his true colors and is running the city/country like a dictatorship. The people regret electing him and some even start a resistance. Lex starts publicly executing members of the resistance.
Back to Superman, after he defeats Zod/Darkseid and gets his bravado back he realizes that people will always need protecting. That just because earth doesn’t want him doesn’t mean that they don’t need him. He returns to his home to see the crisis at hand, saving part of the resistance from execution. The resistance rallies behind Superman, more people join because Superman gives them hope.
They tell him how they’ve destroyed a lot of the anti-Superman security. As glad as Superman is to be supported again, he tells them that it is his fight and fights his way through the city to find Lex and enter boss fight with Lex in a giant robot and anti Superman weapons.
Superman saves the day, gets awarded a Medal of Honor or something similar and he begins rebuilding the city with the rest of Metropolis. It’s not a perfect story but I made it up on the spot so
Edit: Separated the story into paragraphs.
And maybe Project Cadmus could get involved, some Super-Clones, and Bizarro as one of the bosses.
This can be a really good base of the game with additions to it
You're hired
Pretty good.
Not a bad idea.
Superman: Clark Kent: The Stealth Action Game
- you need to sneakily find a phonebooth (do they even exist now?) to change to superman so you can fly through rings
Actually it would be a cool added in action where you have to change and if you don't do it quick enough and someone dies you fail that part of the game. Or something.
incredible idea. and also have the game take place on other planets against stronger enemies than regular humans. and I think a health meter for the city might be a pretty decent game mechanic in today's age compared to back when they did it before. like if you let it get too low maybe too close to 50% then the public starts to view you differently. because the city is more dangerous and you as Superman aren't doing enough to fix it, then you have to work to get it back up
@@byronsenior6499 Why are you hyping that lmao it sounds tedious and fucking dumb😭😭 . maybe okay for a mobile game
I personally thinking Grant Morrison's Action Comics run is a suitable story to make Superman games.
It starts with his golden age powerset and becoming more and more powerful during the story
Also it recapitulated Superman and his villains origins again, Could solve the part of people lack recognition
I dont really like that because it is not the definitive superman. It could start out early in his career and if he loses his powers somehow that is one thing but the great thing about batman arkham and spiderman ps4 is that you feel like those characters emotionally and through gameplay
What’s wrong with enemies having Superman-specific weapons? He’s vulnerable to electricity, magic, keyptonite, and red sun energy! Plus he can be beaten to death by strong enough enemies. There’s no reason to have to power him down. Even petty thugs have hostages and are a threat to non-Superman characters
Nah..electric is like superman food now
You could add some hostage situations but it still doesn’t make sense for petty thugs to have kryptonite, magic, etc
@@victorycentralgaming1577 It does if they're thugs who work for Lex Luthor. Or you could have a criminal flood the black market with kryptonite/energy/red son weapons
@@DickSenter Lol, sounds like superman return....
@@DickSenter you obviously don't know dc comics the only people who have kryptonite is lex and Batman. Lex wouldn't even give his to any one else. Plus lex wouldn't have no gang of thugs. He is a business men which means he does evil things in secret so it won't be traced back to him. Having a"gang" of commen thugs or anything in that nature would be stupid for his character
I want gta with Superman, kinda like those old Hulk games.
Do you mean a Open world game like Spider-Man PS4 and Saints row to be honest I think if they do make a Superman game it should be like a Avengers game like how are they doing it because the Avengers has to go everywhere Space Planets different Dimensions and probably underground's not Just one City I know Superman is his own Character but he has to the same thing by getting Doomsday or Bizzaro or other big power guys away from the People and doing other things like that hell probably has to move the planet Earth.
Prototype
Same
HappiestSadGuy Yeah
Why don't you try gta san andreas with superman mod once i am sure you will come up with a great storyline and all the possibilities.
One way to do gameplay action is to just use Golden Age Superman who can be hurt or killed by Bazookas and tanks while anything less simply bruises him. Another way is, story-wise, open with Supes VS Armored Lex before Lex turns the yellow sun red and Supes puts on a special suit that slowly purges the radiation and he slowly regains abilities in his quest.
Superman's powers are too big for just Earth he needs interstellar travel.
VunderGuy Goku isn’t invulnerable
SorryButYouAreWrong well vegeta or broly SSJ4 or GOD sayian
SorryButYouAreWrong but bro trunks is awesome or you a cell or Majin buu type of guy maybe friza
@@jaquan541 neither is Superman lol?
@SorryButYouAreWrong 1980 Superman fanboy, get out of here
I think Superman Returns basically got it right in concept. Superman's conflict isn't personal harm as said at 3:20, it's that the people he cares about aren't invincible.
I think Dead Rising is a good basis for a Superman game. Focus on rescuing civilians, and dealing with 'Psychopaths' (his villains).
The threat of villains should be stunning you, and endangering civilians that form your health bar. I can imagine trying to fight off brute enemies while trying to reinforce a bridge with ice breath. Flying into the sky, looking down on the city with 'Action Vision', and seeing a heatmap of danger in the city.
Have Braniac put Metropolis in a dome. He can flood the city with robots based on DC species (Thanagarians, Tamaraneans, etc). Civilians are your health bar. Break up the action with stealth segments as Lois and Jimmy Olsen (which Marvel's Spider-Man essentially done).
I was thinking about the same. That's a groundbreaking change oh concept. Imagine Batman trying to save people. Alongside such a thing as safety of civilians meter, there is also his own health bar. That makes the game intense. Though, sometimes Batman can have people dying (like in Arkham series) or their rescue is part of the script, so you don't care all the time about civilians.
That's not the case with superman. He has powers to save everyone and if ONE person dies, it's his defeat. I think it's a best opportunity to make him use all of his powers, something that defines a good super hero game.
It also means no conventional beat'em up. Every punch is winning punch, so fights must be done creatively.
Alienous great idea
@@themadtitan7603 In part because Spider-Man already has stealth segments. But across a 20-30 hour game you have to break it up - puzzles, or stealth, and Superman as a character is suited to neither.
There's room for improvement from Marvel's Spider-Man. Maybe Lois and Jimmy have to work together - use the flash on the camera to distract an enemy while Lois sneaks around them, etc.
Yes! Finally somebody who remembers Superman actually *cares about people.* 😁 "First, we attack his heart!" and all that.
Personal harm wouldn't be much of a concern, sure, but I don't mind the idea of Superman getting tossed around. He may not come to harm, but major force must act upon him and he react in turn.
Regarding the "health meter", I don't quite think indicating "civilians" or "the city" works, but saving them would be core to the gameplay. Have you ever played *Incredible Hulk: Ultimate Destruction?* That was great for making you feel powerful, but still having to keep on your toes regarding you own wellbeing. It was more like a tolerance gauge than health, strictly speaking. With a big enough force, Superman can stumble or be put out of commission for a while.
Enemy-wise, I think you've the right idea - robots, mutants, aliens, etc. for enemies, but if you really want to give Superman a major physical (and non-Kryptonite based) threat, then you unleash Parasite on him. I don't think he gets enough credit. He'd be an interesting challenge to build a boss fight around.
@@DoctorInk20 me likey some parasitee
I see your point with the brand recognition part, but like arkham, a good game could bring those villains into the limelight
It's a shit argument tbh. Every new IP start's off with unknown villains (And and unknown antagonist for that matter). That doesn't mean they shouldn't develop them. Ironically enough, the reason Superman's rouges gallery isn't that well know is because of attitudes like this that don't want to explore and highlight them.
The real question is why don’t we have a Flash game🤔🤦🏿♂️
Kind of plays the same with Superman's villians. I dont think anyone outside of comic book fans
Human reaction time is limited. You’d have to slow the surroundings down for the user to make any sense of anything, which is useless as Flash might as well be running at regular human speed.
Keelan Thomas these are the questions we need to be asking! There is more then enough villains in central city, plus combat can’t be THAT hard
Sonic lol
There’s a fan made one.
Few ideas, coming from a Superman fan:
- Make Superman fight against "wizards". Maybe not too strong wizards, to not make ir unfair to superman. But he is weak to magic, so you could make him fight guys who use magic powers.
- Aliens. Intelligent or not intelligent. They're aliens, so you can make them as strong as you want. If they are kryptonians, like Zod, could be easier, because they have the same power as Superman.
- Make him fight him against the entire Justice League. Each member could be a boss on its own. Wonder Woman on the island, throwing amazons to fight Superman, Aquaman the same with atlanteans. The Batman "level" could include more intelectual challenges, and a boss fight with Batman in a suit BvS style. Green Lanters has the Corps, and Flash maybe other speedsters. Cyborg could use some weird robots. Why is the JL evil? Mental control from Maxwell Lord, or whatever.
- Mutants. Lex Luthor could make an experiment that turns many humans around the world into mutants, trying to take humankind into the next step in evolution. Many people take advantage, and Superman must stop them, and Luthor.
- Put Metropolis in danger. And Lois, his mom, Jimmy Olsen, Lana Lang, Perry White, even Batman. Also random citizens, Arkham style.
- Inside a weird dimension, because of Mr. Mxyzptlk. Kind of the Mad Hatter levels on Arkham.
- Make him fight far away from the sun. His powers could go weaker slowly.
- random thugs could use kryptonite and "red sun" weapons, provided by Lex Luthor.
- At the begining of Rebirth, Superman had to go to the center of the earth to romove some devices. It was hard even for him, and almost die. This could not support a hole game of course, but maybe a level.
- Use Doomsday somehow
- Darkseid. But I would use him in the third game of the "trilogy", an invasion from Apokolips.
I like Superman, so I would love a good videogame about him, and the Arkham series, which I love, gives me hope.
Here i go Superman has been in Metroplais for a few years he has already made a few enimies. Toyman lex,
Lex decides to make project everyman after he discovers that some huamns have a meta gene. HE makes parasite livewire, metalo, everyman and a few others. Lois is dating Mr mykypitilic in human form that was a comic, We discover that LEx was abel to pull this off useing alien tech so branic and new gods are hinted. Manchester black and the elite also fit as a game. First boss giant toyman robot
It would also help if the game makers acknowledge what DC keeps dancing around. The simple fact that Superman can be physically hurt by things that aren't magic, red sun, or kryptonite. Hell when Doomsday first showed up he didn't have any other special abilities to explain it, he was just that powerful.
Also the can't make up their minds if Martian Manhunter is actually stronger or not.
Why are you already thinking about a trilogy
That's a good idea, but make the justice league fights fights with the crime syndicate instead.
Superman isn't weak to magic he just has no defense to it
I think the easy way to make a Superman game would be to almost go with the story of Smallville the show. Where he is still learning and developing his powers and relationships and coming to terms with the fact he is from another world. Makeing it the emotinal stakes you talked about, with his parents and friends from Smallville High. He would go from the smaller threats at the begining like he did at school and work his way up, by descovering new powers throughout the game, until midway when he finnally gets his suit made by Martha Kent and becomes Superman with all of his powers. Like the show, at this point he will have bigger threats such as his former freind Lex Luthor and more physical threats such as Brainiac, and maybe even Darkside, this making it both emotinal and physical stakes for him even with all of his powers. That and with the way Smallvile handled the other Leauge members if the developers wanted to add them because of Smallville, they would add to the emotinal because they are not as strong as Superman but also making it not only nestalgic for Smallville fans but also to build more of a world with more people to interact with and work with to make it feel more real, to make the player feel more like they are Superman. This giving him more character but keeping everything that makes him Superman.
Sorry this is so long winded😂 Thank You, Loved the video!1
Always had this idea for a Superman game, inspired by InFamous, Batman: Arkham, Spider-Man: Web of Shadows, Metroid Prime, and Incredible Hulk: Ultimate Destruction, as well as the decent concept/poorly executed Superman Returns game.
The beginning of the game has Superman destroy a gigantic meteor threatening to destroy the Earth. He destroys it, Superman-style, but didn't expect it to contain a whole spectrum of kryptonite, with small amounts red and green kryptonite ending up lodged near his heart (let's take something from Iron Man--why not?).
Landing back on Earth, he finds on the computer of his Fortress of Solitude that he's not only slowly dying of Kryptonite poisoning, but the red kryptonite has locked off most of his powers and is affecting his behavior. So he eventually has to re-learn (read: unlock his later powers through the story or upgrades) his cooler powers like freeze breath or super-vision.
Red kryptonite is known to have unpredictable effects in the comics, but the most common ones being affecting his powers (to the point of taking them away) and/or drastically changing his personality to be more of a jerkass.
This means that we can have something in InFamous and Spidey Web of Shadows where Superman has the option of being more of a "bad guy"--not necessarily actively murdering innocents (that would be *way* too out of character for Supes, especially early in the game), but allowing him to be more destructive and violent towards his opponents *without* punishing the player, perhaps giving a morality system.
Or, if that's too cumbersome, we can just ignore the harsh destruction and implied murder completely and just let Supes cut loose with no consequences. (i.e--Spider-Man crushes enemies with scaffolding--Batman runs people over with the Batmobile in Arkham Knight*without* killing them--why does this have to stop at Superman?)
The green kryptonite justifies a health bar, which Hulk in Ultimate Destruction had--in that game, bullets and regular soldiers do little to nothing, but explosives and Hulkbusters could chip away at him pretty well.
This means you can still have basic robbers and gangbangers trying (and failing) to shoot at Superman with *barely noticable* decreasing of the health bar (if at all), so their threat mostly comes from hurting other civilians and as Metropolis crime activity busywork (Spider-Man-style).
Escalate enemy variety from there. Level up to Intergang opponents that can do *some* damage to Superman with their Apokolips laser guns, but they go down in one hit. Have Lex Luthor or Braniac (or both, Silver Age team-up style) throw some robots flying around, so there's more of a physical threat to challenge the player's fighting skills. Give Metallo a robot army (like in Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?) so there's actually an enemy that could *really* hurt you.
This is all starting to sound a bit like Silver Age silliness, but I think that's the best way for a Superman game to work. Businessman Lex would be a boring threat in a Superman game, so bring him back to being a mad scientist. Throw in Mxyzptlik in there. Have Bizarro be a recurring chase boss.
There's so much you can do for a fantastic Superman game if you really dive into the mythos.
Game developers need to hire you
Love the idea! If they do Lex they can have him create synthetic Kryptonite that he arms thugs or robots with this gives an edge to street level baddies! Eventually moving to Apokylptic weapons and aliens that Supes would have to go up against that would also be cool!
@@WFGKennyJames
I don't want to overdo kryptonite, especially since my idea already has Superman deal with the green rocks in his heart at the beginning, just so less "super" enemies have a remote chance of hurting him.
With red kryptonite affecting his powers, I had the idea that he'd have to "re-develop" some of his natural immunities, which Kelex (his personal robot Alfred from the Fortress of Solitude) would recommend going through physical trauma to build that immunity.
Now, Superman is still bulletproof from the get-go and it still takes a lot to hurt him, but he is no longer immune to extremely large amounts of heat and electricity (flying through fire and crossing through telephone wires is fine, but enemies with plasma-based weaponry and getting struck by lightning presents at least a minor danger and can stun him).
However, boss fight encounters with Livewire (an electrical themed foe) and Volcana (a lava-themed foe) end with Superman not only developing an immunity to fire and electricity, but also using those immunities in creative ways.
-Fly through oil rig
-Fly through fire
-basically become the Human Torch and melt through enemies
-Fly through electrical pylon
-Charge yourself with electricity (à la the remote control batarang from Arkham)
-Now able to stun strong enemies
-Become a temporary electromagnet that pulls pesky robot drone enemies towards you
I always thought a morality system for a Superman game would be great. In fact, if someone could combine Spider-Man PS4 with Tell Tale gameplay and the city health bar concept from Superman Returns, that would be my ideal Superman game.
Also, it might be cooler to have Lex Luthor be like Telltale Joker in a way: he starts out as a possibly corrupt business man that, depending on your choices, becomes a mad scientist supervillain or begins running for president.
I like a lot of your ideas. Esp. the Healthbar ideas.
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I actually prefer the morality system to be more subtle and nuanced, rather than just giving the player the option for Superman to be a callous, destructive jerk that could hardly be called a hero.
I always found Superman at his most compelling when he is fundamentally heroic regardless of how bleak or morally grey the situation gets.
Take a look at Mass Effect, or, as you've suggested, TellTale Batman. Shepard and TellTale's Batman are still fundamentally heroic people because they are bravely risking their lives for the greater good. The player choice comes in making the character a paragon of virtue or a borderline anti-hero.
Now, I don't necessarily want TellTale style "press A to do good option, B to do bad option" in a Superman game, but rather I'd like situations in real-time gameplay for a player to either take a more peaceful, humane approach, or a destructive, ruthless approach.
Example: Hostage Situation.
Peaceful options: Superheat guns to make criminals drop them; use superspeed and knock them out from behind without them noticing; if they're intimidated (super-senses could be a Detective Mode thing to notice that), simply walk up to them. Because you're Superman.
Destructive options: X-ray vision--locate a pipeline to heat vision and flood the room; draw their fire and catch all their bullets, then flick them right back; or just *punch* them. You're Superman.
Basically, the "morality" system just gives players an excuse to be creatively destructive without being totally out-of-character.
I actually wrote more details about how this can work in another comment, I might copy-paste it.
We think it’s so hard because we don’t want to think a bit harder than “how can we make guy with gun fight Superman”. Take his rogues gallery. Zod and the kryptonians, Brainiac and his robots, Darkseid with the furies and Kalibak and parademons. It’s all contextual
I think "name recognition" is fundamentally irrelevant.
The game would sell on Superman's recognition and then you make the villains compelling enough that people start to care.
For the city thing
1- If he goes too fast, Just teleport him to a different map so the map does not have to be too big
2- A secondary part, Have places other than Metropolis, Maybe places outside of America.
He doesn’t have to lose his powers and be “de powered” to work in a video game. A perfect example of a well made video game surrounding someone who is beyond powerful is Kratos in God Of War.
People want to fly and do free roam with Superman. Basically a Batman Arkham game or Spiderman game. Hell even the freedom of assassin's Creed games. But there isn't enough things to keep you busy
@its yeshau not jesus That could change giving the game different levels of difficulty, take [PROTOTYPE] as an example (popupar super hero game) they gave you an OP character as a protagonist however the enemies and gameplay itself can be pretty damn challenging and hard regarding damage response and how strong your enemies get.
@@localdude2979 well as much as I love the prototype series it wasn't a very great game and it received bad critics so using it as an example for superman games to be good doesn't make sense so much.
@@parsaatashani3041 hold on there, the ciritcs are mixed but the difficulty level on the game itself are challenging, it can get frustating as critics said but thats up to any person ability to control the protagonist, and it got Platinum Hit award in Xbox! The strenght displayed in the prototype franchise is something to take notes from, protagonist in [P2] can Rip appart Tanks and APCs with his bare hands and land a "superhero landing" with great colateral damage
@@localdude2979 alright I agree not all of the critics were bad but we want the superman game to be a hit and get great critics not mixed. And I think superman is much more powerful than alex mercer and the other guy (I forgot his name).
Tbh I don't think superman strength is gonna be that much of a problem because superman has a lot of powerful enemies as well, my problem is the controls, superman has godlike speed and creating his flying mechanisms are going to be very difficult for game devs.
(Sorry for my bad english)
Because expectations would be insanely high😂. Let’s be honest we’d expect destruction, graphics, flying, balance of all his skills, a good story line, missions that involve him flying and being on the ground. Although a beat em up superman game would be cool, there would be people constantly bashing it for combat. I want a superman game, but I also don’t want them to release garbage due to pressure. They could do it but they’d need a long time for all we know there is one being made.
Developers now want to make games fast and as easy they can they con fans with fake advertising then release shit such as Cyberpunk. They dont want to create a superman game bc it takes longer and they can get justdeveloph money creating a game that will be easy to develop. Thats the problem with games now. Every game released has bunch of flaws and they hype these games up and release bullshit i can already Dying light 2 is gonna be a huge dissapointment and the developers are brainwashing players that dying light 2 is an amazing experience. Until the developers that care about money more than creating great games are gone the gaming industry will continue to be shit.
Superman Shadow of Apokolips got the animated series look, the cast, supermans flight ok. If a ps2 game can almost be a perfect superman game then why can they not do it now? They can do it now they just dont want too. Lazy.
Superman’s villains are usually not one punch enemies.
General Zod: Equally matched to Superman, You can also have his cree members like Flora-Ul.
Toy man: He’s not himself fighting, He sends toy drones and robots fighting for him.
Parasite: He absorbs Superman’s energy so it’s hard to fight him, Punching him can make him stronger.
Lex Luthor: His powersuit can stand against him, He can also have Kyrtonite.
Doomsday: Strong enough to fight him
Brainiac: His alien technology is strong enough to fight Superman.
Metallo: His Kryptonite body makes it easy for him to stand against Superman
Darkseid: Not only is he as strong or even stronger than Superman, He also has an army of super powerful allies.
Mongul: Strong enough to stand against him.
Silver Banshee: Her scream can break his concentration and make his super hearing a weakness.
So yeah, Also you could have it so the villains also try to cause havoc, Making it Superman’s job to protect and save the people.
Wouldn't the concept of superman going up against a number of villains in this way, be too similar to the Arkham series and so many other nowadays?
I feel like a good superman game would have to have a different play style than "find big bad, defeat them and their men, rinse and repeat"
That was not the point of my comment. My point was, Because of how often they talked about the ‘random thug’ and the fight. So in response I listed Superman’s most famous enemies and why fighting them would not be as easy as it seems.
"Always comes off as a tech demo" Hit the mark right there.
I think flight should be the first priority with a Superman game. The flying should be fun, smooth and easily controlled. With a huge map you should have the option to fly at normal speed or light speed. You should be able to fly at different speeds and that too should be fun.
The flying should be so fun that you just want to spend the majority of the game just flying around and exploring.
The game should be story based. I don't see a free roam based superman game working all that well. All his powers should be used in a way that gets you passed levels. Superman really doesn't use his powers unless it's absolutely necessary.
Saving Lois a few times in the game could come into play also. I hope we eventually get a good superman game. I don't see it happening probably for another 5 years or more...
Start with him as a kid in good ole' Smallville. Boom
It’s not that it’s impossible or anything, it’s the fact that the games were usually licensed games aka dog shit. Once Batman actually got an original game, by a studio that actually cared, he had 2 good to even great games. The previous companies didn’t care for making a quality game...they only cared about making money.
I would argue Batman Begins and Batman Vengeance were some great Batman games before Arkham. Definitely not perfect but still really good. It's also worth mentioning both games pioneered a lot of mechanics that Arkham would later use. Batmobile chases, first person, the cape glide, the ability to scare your enemies, disarm your enemies, and some stealth elements. Then Vengeance also has the Animated Series voice cast, which is great.
Titus actually did strive to make Superman 64 a half decent game, but sometimes it's not simply about "making money" off of a brand name. No, WB actively screwed over and sabotaged its development to ensure it was bad. Sometimes the higher ups at WB are just plain dumb
Kaihedgie Ah yes, can’t forget WB’s simple incompetence.
BEYOND THE SPIDER FILMS Eh, I’d say they were decent. Although they did lay the foundation for the Arkham games in terms of the things they did good.
Honestly I think the best way to go is definitely giving the city and the populace a health bar of sorts, and maybe a popularity meter too for the tasks like rescuing a cat out of a tree or something along those lines, and not to mention most if not all of his antagonists are strong enough to beat him. Space can also play a minor or major role in the game because there are so many threats in space that actually pose a threat to him.
Superman Shadow of Apokolips
Superman: The Man of Steel
Death and Return of Superman
Three good Superman games
Thank you brotha. People ain't seeing shit straight. They sucking Batman hard af.
I was just about to comment SHADOW OF APOKOLIPS. I was "like that GAME was DOPE, I can't be the only one who remembers it." Then came across your comment.
SHIN BAKI HANMA disagree but God Bless
Trying to live a double life and trying to keep both Clark’s job, and Kal’s responsibility to the city would be interesting and annoying. Also trying to keep his identity secret would be a cool mechanic. The game should start off on his farm with his mom and dad and some life lessons being taught, preluding of what’s to come.
a la Spiderman. I believe it can work as long as it's not too corny. Superman is a cliche factory.
I think that a good superman game would be a shadow of the colossus type game where every level is a boss battle with some of his most powerful villains like bizzaro, doomsday, lex luther( I know he's not very powerful but he has kryptonite weapons so humor me), and etc, people that could hurt superman. And the goons or weaker enemies could be like lex luther robots with kryptonite guns or maybe there could be a situation where a lot of criminals got super strength. I think that that's a cool idea
If Insomniac can make Spider-Man into a great game, then so can Rock steady.
Solution is simple. Aliens! Parademons, Daxemites, White Martians, etc.
Even simpler just throw robots at him
Personally, I see two methods of making a decent Superman game.
Option 1: Have the game start in Smallville, with a period of time like the show where he's still discovering his powers and slowly rises into the Superman role, eventually going to Metropolis and potentially tying into the Justice League by the end of it.
Option 2: The Death of Superman arc. He begins as this all-powerful hero, and goes up against Doomsday, ultimately dying. Only, as we know, he returns from the dead and has to recover his powers. They could also add in the "Reign of the Supermen" arc, having him take down the pretenders to the Superman title, ending with a fight against Metallo/Luthor.
Make it like god of war, where he can be injured and killed in gameplay but then he's op af when hes in cutscenes or event moments.
Makes sense for Wonder Woman or Thor but a lil too restrictive for Superman.
@@johnbishop2536 see stuff like this is called favouritism, wonderwoman and thor are just as invulnerable as superman, it makes sense for all of them.
@@Zoopadoopa23 Or just make him fight characters who can actually harm him, just like Thor and Wonder Woman do.
@@ryukishi07thecreator70 that could also work, but not every fight can be a boss fight.
@@Zoopadoopa23 Not necessarily, the boss' troops can be pretty op too.
General Zod would be a brilliant villain in the game
He is one of Superman's more common enemies but ok
@@CO0000 atrocitus really no
@@CO0000 these are boring villians
@@corey.3421 Man get out of here! If you don't agree with something just leave, simple as that. You don't be have to stay here and crush this man's ideas.
@@gimmeyourrights8292 I'm not crushing his ideas now STFU you dumbass. I simply gave out my opinion now respect asshole
Superman could be:
1- infected by magic or a kriptonian virus to drain him (the latter would be courtesy of Brainiac)
2- Teleported to a world where the scales are even (just like The Hulk in the comic World War Hulk, the world where he was king, Sakhar'sin, if I remember correctly)
3- Our common yellow sun could be exchanged for an orange sun (to moderately depower or nerf Superman) a bit like a red sun would, and that happens to slightly power up the criminals.
EDIT: #3 (and beyond if I happen to add more)
They could go the smallville route where you start off him learning his powers and facing the early villains before he was superman, they could do off world superman games
Does anyone *read* the comics? Plenty of Superman game ideas there like it’s not rocket science ^^
No, they don't. The original artwork for Sonic the Movie should tell you that they don't read shit.
I think the invulnerability against street thugs would be a good aspect. And then have a Kandorian type story maybe, or Zod and all them, Phantom Zone escapees etc. There's so much there to use for vulnerability. They need to do like Spiderman PS4. Don't follow a movie or typical storyline. Make their own. If the right people do it, they could make a good one. People just stray away from it because it's a pain in the ass
If they give Superman a heath bar and he dies if his heath reaches zero than the game can do well. The problem with Superman games is they stick to Superman’s overpowered bullshit which does not work in a actual video game because comic books and video games are different. In a video game there has to be a challenge but if your character doesn’t die there is no challenge.
@@2livenoob So because the directors of the Sonic movie didn't make a good design, then then the people who develop Superman games don't read comics?
Sorry but the first comment was total nonsense ^^ 😂
Add in a scale in that shows how heroic Superman is which would make you want to fight the more basic of enemies that can’t hurt you like they did in past Spider-Man games
And add a system that would make u able to control the power he put out with each of his powers like he says he always holds back
Here's the thing: DC knows how to make a good superman game but they're hung up on Batman. If you can make Batman game (with all impossible untimely feats he does)
one can easily create a superman with lex luther either teleport earth near a red sun.... using his money to infuse kryptonite into every bullet on earth etc etc. Next part, The Injustice comic book series like the game took off because batman fans wanted to see Superman as a villian...but it got this discontinued as soon as it got close to the its true ending. Irony?
Now *THIS* is something I agree on.
I think people should stop focusing on ways to nerf Superman and just look at the comics, shows and movies as a guide. He gets hurt when there's red sun or kryptonite, but it would be absurd to have everyone with kryptonite or to have a red sun in the sky at all times. The supervillains on his level should be enough to hurt him, and everything else should be about success and failure at saving lives and preventing damage.
There's a game called undefeated its pretty good at making you feel powerful but I would play a telltale superman game
yea but telltale shut down so thats never happening
or u can play saints row 4 or 5
@@gamerscreed3786 true they did an op hero very well
@@Ash-bo9eu TellTale is coming back though?
@@ar-fables4431 They are?
The game starts with you in Smallville as a teenaged Clark Kent. Your powers have just begun to manifest so they are not only at base levels, but you do not even have them all. You'll level up all your powers the same way you did in Crackdown. This way you can customize Superman the way you want him to be.
As the game goes on you begin to level up the powers you have, and develop some new ones along the way...by the 3rd act of the game, you have all of your powers, and all of them are mostly maxed out. You will be able to traverse seamlessly from Smallville, to Metropolis, to space, to Apokolips, to Warworld (the next gen consoles will apparently have this capability) and the enemies types you will face will be:
1.Thugs/Terrorists: who will have earth based weapons ranging from handguns, to Rocket launchers, and vehicle mounted weapons
2. Lex Luthor henchmen: will have earth based weapons as well, but some will be equipped with Kryptonite weapons, and Mech suits
3. Intergang henchman: will have high tech weapons like lasers, and jet pack guys
4. parademons: they are obviously a stronger enemy type that can fly
5. Brainiac bots: weaker versions of Brainiac
6. Bosses and mini bosses will include Power armor Lex, Darkseid, Brainiac, Metallo, Parasite, Toy Man, Live Wire, Bizzaro, Zod, and Mongol.
This game can be done.
What about an invasion with magic users. He was hurt by magic
Returns flight was freaking amazing. I used to fly around the city for hours for no reason, but the rest of the game. Jeez. Hottest garbage around. But I'm glad they tried.
Lol
We could have him start out as standard Superman, and as the game goes along we can upgrade his powers to Silver age era levels of OP. It could be a subplot of him coping and coming to terms with the fact that his family and world is gone. He is the last of a handful of kryptonians left. I know people hate Man Of Steel, But I love the concept of his dad being an AI hologram helping him. He finally copes with his loss and his feelings of not belonging through optional side events that give upgrade points, allowing him to fly faster and hit harder and have more powerful heat vision until his last upgrade. Its his solar flare move where he just fucking turns into a hydrogen bomb and incinerates everything. You can unlock a variety of suits like the Spider-Man PS4 game, from the classic one to the white one to the one in the comics that he wears after he resurrects from his fight with Doomsday and he has the crown and shit to the Black Lantern suit to the remnants of his suit when he gets blasted to the future and he has a mix of his torn up suit and Mad Max armor to just flying around as Clark Kent. We could go to a ton of locations not only on Earth but around the universe.
Regarding the thug issue. You could have Lex Luthor as one of the villains mass producing cryptonite weapons to mobs.
Feels like lazy writing though.
@@ddy7323 We are talking about comics. This is exactly the kind of thing that would have happened in the silverage XD
Everyone thinks that they need a superman version of the Arkham games but in reality they could make a successful game which has similar elements to that of the most recent god of war game which was stunning and fun to play.
He needs to be able to fly tho which would instantly make it not like god of war at all
First, its been a year since that comment and wow time flies. And secondly, Kratos has wings in the third game, flying or no flying. Its not what I meant when I said God of War like game. What I meant was, similar to the new god of war it would be just one big fight against Darkseid or doomsday or something and superman has to find a new weapon or something like a life equation to defeat the villain
I feel like ending the game with Doomsday as the final boss can make Superman feel like the heart of DC. Where he has to almost die or gets killed, defeating Doomsday.
Like in the graphic novel and cartoons
Ye and that doomsday battle would be so cool. Particularly if u could just carry doomsday from earth and bring him back down again.
No that was WB
superman returns had a good way to make enemies a real danger: the CITY have a health bar, you cant be dead , cant say the same about the city and its people
I liked superman returns game but it was really buggy on the ps2 while fighting never played the xbox 360 version though
And that is also how the best writers of the Superman comics go about it. They make it not about him having a slugfest with some guy, they make it about how Superman's emotional state is directly tied to how his need to try to save everyone from all dangers, and the reality that even he can't do that.
You could have it where superman is starting out and doesnt really understand his abilities or something so superman gradually feels stronger too the player
Starting off as a young Clark Kent where you earn your abilities would be interesting. Adding in RPG elements like picking the good route or evil route could possibly work. Depending on which one you take you could end up fighting certain villains. Or even characters who are normally Superman's allies. Maybe have it where its the start of Superman's career. He has to learn to be Superman and chooses either to be good or evil. He comes across various characters and has to make certain choices that impact the story. Maybe this is where he first meets Batman and Lex Luthor along with others. Maybe he also travels to other places beyond earth as well. There are many ways to make a Superman game work it's just very difficult.
Exactly, I recommend reading Superman vs the Klan.
He couldn't actually fly in the original comics and having him gain his powers over the course of the game would allow a gradual ramping up of threats.
It would be cool if they also add the honor system just like in rdr2 that will affect on the storyline depends on your actions for being good or bad
the thing is don't make him overpowered but make the player start off as a lower level superman to where that superman is still finding out what he can do
Dragon FlameX doom the problem would still be that even if he doesn’t know how to properly use all his powers, his speed, strength and invulnerability aren’t things he has to really learn and those 3 stats alone make him god like.
Superman is overrated and weak.
I think there's two big things a superman game needs to get right.
1. Making protecting people compelling: Superman Returns had a solid idea in that you drastically cut the need to overblow credible threats by having protecting threatened civilians being a big component of gameplay. Coming up with techniques or shortcuts to make "pedestrian" types a component of gameplay without having them being annoying (Maybe having them get into some kind of armored structure when the disaster starts, with the objective being getting civilians who cant go into it, as well as protecting said structure) would mean you can build a wider scale of enemies based on how they harm civilians, how they delay superman from protecting civilians and solving crisis, and finally if they can indeed actually hurt superman.
2. Making Superman's powers impactful: Superman's powers seem kind of needless if they're not really used for anything besides beating people up, making sure theirs world objects and obstacles that react somewhat organically to superman's powers may seem obvious but also need consideration to ensure the games limitations make sense and don't contridict each other (With some exceptions needing to be made because games are always going to have some limitations)
I actually like the idea of making the "Joe Schmo mugger" completely ineffective. Make it so Superman can walk right up to a robber, as they are shooting at him, and crush the gun in his hands. But, like you said, make it so if Superman harms the criminal, his reputation with the city goes down. make him safely deposit the criminal with the proper authorities, or somehow restrain them. Then, make it so you can't ignore any crime going on. If Superman tries to fly too far, make a crime happen. Problem solved.
They could create their own story where someone like lex luthor or any other baddy for Superman exposed the whole city to some sort of weak red sun burst, thus limiting Superman's powers so that he doesn't one shot every street thug, but not making him useless against them either. And as the game goes on they could set up multiple different boss fights where they get harder and harder, but at the end of each one you get stronger and stronger so that at the final boss fight your on an even playing field with whoever the main baddy is. It would solve the problems and keep the game and story somewhat logical as far as Superman goes
I think the problem with making a challenging Superman game when it comes to a street level crime-fighter is one of perspective.
How do you make interesting and challenging gameplay when most things can't hurt Superman?
Well, the answer is actually really simple. Do what the comics do. Don't challenge Superman physically.
The street thugs with guns can't hurt Superman. But they can hurt everyone else. That's why Superman is there. The challenge was never survival. The challenge is saving people. It's doing the right thing. It's using that awesome, immeasurable power to do for others what they can't do for themselves.
I think that's where you could make a cool game. Have Superman human shielding for civilians, catching them from buildings, pulling them from rubble and catching falling girders and debris so they don't hit anyone. That's how you do it. That's how you make it different. You're not playing the game and mastering the systems for your own preservation. You're doing it to save people. And that's Superman.
That’ll just turn the whole game into an escort mission, where the escort is the whole entire city. We all know how people feel about those missions, now try it on a grand scale.
I just feel like it’s hard to make a game where a guy can fly across the entire planet in under a minute and also can fly in outer space at will like they could do it but the map would have to be hugeeee. and that’s not even including how they would handle all superman’s powers.
And can fly through buildings like butter ...
Try DCUO
He could actually fly through galaxies faster than the speed of light
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Exactly, and notice how no one has spoke on it. Because they know that there's a bias when it comes to DC especially Superman, and when called out on it, they have nothing to say.
King comparing Superman to dragonball is fucking dumb dragon ball character literally die and get BEAT up in every episode unlike Superman who had to have an character solely MADE to kill him
Here's a suggestion: A story line that allows Superman to be battling somewhere at Apokolips where everyone has considerable strength as well.
The reason superman 64 was trash is...
R I N G S
And poorly designed regual levels. There the WORST part
Yeah. Theres a video on youtube talking about superman 64 was pushed out before being finished. It looks like if they had another year or so we would of had a completely different game where it may of been descent.
Rumor has it the publisher demanded most of the bad ideas
@@MatthewKrekeAuthor it wasn't just rumored someone actually found out that the publisher did in fact do that
Megatron: Downfall gets pretty close.
get rid of street level crime only jave him deal w metas and heists or hostage situations
Superman’s goal is to protect and inspire humanity and give them Hope. I wonder if they could give the player the full arsenal of Superman’s abilities to use, but then create the challenge of learning when and where to use restraint like Superman has to. When you don’t exercise restraint you cause varying degrees of collateral damage and consequences which affects how humanity views you. Now I do think in order to do a Superman game right, you can’t keep the game earth bound. You’d have to give players situations where they need to unleash Superman’s full arsenal of abilities as well, or situations where his abilities are severely diminished, i.e. Apokolips, Daxam, Warworld, Mongal, etc. Of course like you said, you’d also need to do some deep character development as well to make the characters feel real and relatable.
I do think a good Arkham style Superman game is definitely possible, I’m just not convinced anybody is gonna take the risk when they could just go with the almost guaranteed money maker that is Batman.
I would add phases of investigation as Clark Kent where you have to use his powers discreetly.
The problem is people overthink it.
His do you mean?
The brand recognition part was weird. Superman has a great rogue gallery.
Lex Luthor, Doomsday, Brainiac, Darkseid, Metallo, Parasyte, Solaris, Livewire, Kalibak, Vandal Savage, General Zod, Lobo, Bizarro, Cyborg Superman, Mongul and more. Many of them are well-known. It would be awesome to see them in a proper Superman videogame.
In My opinion excluding The Injustice games,Superman Returns is the best Game ever(TBH There isn’t no competition)
Just have wizards invade Metropolis, magic can hurt Supes.
What are the chances an army of magically adept folks decide to invade metropolis. Sounds more like a constantine or zatana problem really
One way they could get around the vulnerability issue:
In the beginning you are dealing with street thugs and they shoot you but nothing happens. After you take care of them, something big happens centered around lex luthor, where he starts distributing Krypton weaponry to criminals after he puts a bounty out on Superman. As you progress in the game more and more low level thugs have kryptonite weaponry, upping the stakes for superman
I mean people have found a way to make DBZ games so why not superman? Hell just ramp up the destructive terrain or something.
People want freeroam games but with super heroes. Like far cry but super man edition lol. That is insanely difficult because you could easily kill and destroy too much. The reason hulk games were fun was because you weren't expected to not destroy or smash a civilian. Your goal was destruction.
^exactly
And those DBZ games are not good games to go off of, unless they're making a fighting or anime mashing game.
Jacob Hayes Yeah, I suppose it’s just that what people expect doesn’t exactly work with every character. If we want a game where Superman could showcase his strength and desteoy stuff, we can’t really have him do it in an open world Metropolis. A Crysis-like semi-open world game could work though. You wouldn’t have a completely open world but levels that are open enough for Superman to fly around and use super-speed but also have a scenario like going up against a star-fleet or something to have him break stuff. You could even have him trapped in an entirely hostile environment such as the Phantom Zone, or to a lesser extent, Apokolips for a portion of the game so Superman wouldn’t feel out of character when you’re taking out your stress by punching, ramming and blasting almost anything that moves (and even some that doesn’t, like defensive structures such as walls or towers) since almost anything will be immediately aggroed against you. I think if we can just get away from the idea of a completely open world Superman game on Metropolis and actually dig into the comics themselves for villains scenarios that can genuinely challenge Superman, both of which there are plenty, we can at least start getting somewhere.
Bruce Wayne DBZ games is good just look at the new one DBZ kakarot
@@NoahSJ45 Kakarot is new and DBZ doesn't have a bright past in that type of genre. Not to mention the game isn't even out yet so we don't know how good or bad Kakarot really is!
I have to say you used the "new arkham hype" pretty good
I have plenty more to say about Arkham, I just needed a break for a few days to talk about something else.
@@DegenerateJay no for real the last 2 months you made really many subs which you deserve
Well hey dude it's very much appreciated. I wouldn't be making these videos at all if it weren't for the supportive and nice people who enjoy them like you.
How to do it:
1 - let the player, at the very begining or tutorial part of the game, experience a fullpower invulnerable semiomnipotent superman shreding everything in a fun way.
2 - Nerf superman by making luthor (or any villain similar to him )use some kind of poison/gas version of some of the many types of kriptonite (or maybe a new one), at a epic setpiece that takes place in the begining of the game, introducing the main villain and also the emotional stakes.
3 - Play with a weakened version of superman that progresses the game by slowly regaining his powers (flight, breath, lazer eyes, resistance) one by one after completing some key objectives or defeating key villans,etc
3.5 - Place hidden areas in the game that can only be acessed by the player when he has a particular power already unlockes (See bonus itens trough walls when unlocking super vision, some places only acessible trough flight,etc)
4 - Finally, recover all your powers in the end and fight the main villain again (him also being considerably stronger) on a final battle dbz style in space.
5 - After ending the main story, give the player the freedom to explore the open world with a full powered superman, being able to risk-free defeat normal enemies and easily defeat vilains, unlocking what is essentialy a sandbox mode
the best one was when he was flying through rings.
To be fair superman would be amazing if rocksteady could make it it’s just very hard to make one man
Exactly. It could be a great game. There's a lot of stuff there conceptually, but it's hard to iron out all the kinks and make it solid.
The problem with brand recognition comes from Warners being afraid of putting Supermans rogues on film and so they just keep going back to Luthor or Zod
Agreed.
Superman and/or his rogues' gallery isn't the problem, it's WB/DC's chronic aversion to anything not Batman-related that's the problem.
We need a Batman V Superman game (nothing to do with the film!) an epic tale thru two points of view day and night. then we would see superman at his weakest.
That would have to be made by rocksteady
Have you heard of Injustice?
Who else thought he was talking to himself.
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1. Unassisted flight mechanics are hard to pull off with fluidity.
2. A well-balanced and consistent health-decreasing system with someone has resistant as superman is hard to devise.
3. A street-to-skies fight engine is hard to bridge. It's as if they are different games.
Overall: superman returns is the best compromise of all the above. The best possible solution now is to port it to current Gen with better graphics, better designs and perhaps corrected camera angles.
Half of these so called developers don't even read the source material. I'm not surprised super man games suck
Especially with licensed games. It's an issue with not having in-house game development in general. You can tell when people care (Arkham, Spider-Man PS4 or even Spider-Man 2 on PS2, Injustice, etc).
Or have to where SuperMan has to save various people in various and random locations
One way of doing it, whilst bending his powers a bit, would be giving him limited "sunpower". All his superpowers (heat vision, ice breath, sustaining deadly attacks, special melee attacks and flying!!!) would burn through that "mana pool", which would be constantly regenerating. Once you're out you actually get wounded by conventional attacks. Indefinite flying would still be possible by increasing the incoming radiation through higher altitude (at some point, not too high, regen outperforms drain from flying). This would also allow some shenanigans like night missions with lower regen and kryptonite temporarily limiting your max.
First thumbs up on the vid , and secondly if they made it orgin story and kinda like heavy rain but with more freedom good game there oh and his name is pronounced mixy-pitt-al-lick
Thank you! I legitimately forget that pronunciation too much...
i feel like, in order to handle the “too OP” problem have something happen to Metropolis (or wherever the game is set) where the sky is affected and for the entirety of the game, until the problem is solved of course, the sky is Kryptonite-infected. this would mean Superman can’t use the full extent of his powers until he solves the problem of the Kryptonite ridden sky. and add some good gameplay while understanding what Superman can do in a weakened state. also, know that Superman CAN fight, just weakened
EDIT: i typed this out before watching the full video, so if what i said is mentioned, i’m sorry 💀
And the post-game is just costume collecting while doing whatever Superman does on a daily basis (Solving more mundane problems) with Superman at full power?
ZenoDLC yeah, that could work too. and i like the idea that because of the Kryptonite-infected sky, Superman CAN take damage from thugs with guns, or from a thug punching him, which would encourage to be careful rather than reckless.
also, your idea is actually pretty cool because once he’s at full power, you can pretty much just do anything 🤷🏼♂️
Maybe you could do a game where you CAN destroy enemies with one hit, but that kills them. And if you kill somebody you get a bad ending, so the player, to get the good ending, must defeat the enemies while not using all of his strenght (you can make the player control the force that he uses). This way, the players can lose if they restrain too much, or if they use too much strenght; obviously sometimes you can throw a powerful enemy or two.
The demo game called "undefeated" gives me hope that a great Superman game CAN happen!