The cloudburst Arkham Knight boss fight had already left a bad taste into me, and when I went to him and it is revealed to be the same boss fight with different villain, I literally didn't play the game for like a week. This fight isn't fun, it is annoying and frustrating that all these work lead to this.
They didn't include hush in the main story for Knight because they didn't know how to make it into a tank fight
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For real even though none of us even liked the tank fight yes we wanted to be able to use the batmobile but not like tht shit and when riddler makes u do loops and shit
And then you have to listen to his broadcasts every two minutes until you solve all the riddles. I’m not gonna lie, I actually wanted to beat the shit out of riddler after the tenth one. It motivated me to finish them
@@henryknippling2408 that's one of my favourite things game developers can do. Actually make me truly want to get my hands on someone and do things I won't be proud of. Especially in games where it's someone who shittalks you throughout the experience. Examples: the watcher (darksiders), GLaDOS (portal) and handsome Jack (borderlands 2).(the last two are also funny so they add more to the game) Although none has fuelled me with hate nearly as much as the Riddler.
Alex B the riddler side mission in all these games in my opinion are not worth the hassle. Especially in Arkham Asylum when all you get is hear the cops arrest the Riddler at his hideout.
And there’s this thing when you do a couple of his races and challenges with Catwoman, but then the next one is in an area you still haven’t unlocked in the story so you can’t proceed. So you have to listen to Riddler mocking you every 10 minute about not going to his hanger even though you can’t do that yet.
I think we can all agree that the Hush side mission was THE WORST. All that build up in city just for some dumb quick time event. You mean to tell me that Hush did ALL that JUST so he can get past a receptionist LOL.
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Possibly the most forgettable part of Arkham City. But hey,while being there you could at least solve a riddle and smash some penguin statues with a Batarang.
Lol The reason why he's bad in City is literally explained in Origins. Everytime he use's his venom it affects his brain making him have short or long term memory lost. That's why he isn't smart in asylum or City.
Yeah, they're extremely proud of their creation, and let's face it, it's the most badass version of Batmobile in history of Batman ever. They even bragged about the car's model being 500MB in size alone.
@@legobatmanthevideogame3194 the Batmobile is definitely overused in Batman Arkham knight, but that aside it works just fine and is actually fun to use, just gets old quick
I also thought Calendar Man was gonna get a big role in Knight because of that hidden easter egg. Then it just turns into another one-second cameo and he leaves during the main story.
I appreciate how the unlockable story from Knight at least acknowledges Calendar Man planned to come back for Halloween. Scarecrow beat him to the punch in a big way.
TheSloths DoDuos *spoilers* He’s sitting in the crowd behind Vicki at the end as Bruce “kills himself”. There’s also a book you find in one of his hideouts which turns into one of the intel story/Riddler puzzles.
In Hush’s hideout in Arkham City, you see some canisters that some have said could have been Scarecrow’s fear toxin. They should have had Thomas perform surgery on Crane and become a co-conspirator in AK’s plot. Especially in terms of funding for Crane and Arkham Knight’s plan: Elliot could have slowly siphon money from Wayne Industries that somehow went unnoticed by Bruce or Lucius. Or even better, a part of the story could be that Jack Ryan or Vicki Vale found that the Arkham Knight’s operation in a Venezuela was traced back to Bruce thanks to Hush’s surgery.
Apparently Paul Dini's original story for Arkham Knight (the one rocksteady decided not to go with) had Scarecrow and Hush as the main villains. All that Hush set up in Arkham City makes more sense if you think of this.
Something I never thought of before but just had a breakthrough, but imagine that if Batman did “die” at the end of Arkham Knight, but Hush still acted as Bruce Wayne and took over the city? I feel that they could’ve teased that into a whole new game with Damian Wayne
Ric Squad I wish Hush never appeared in the main story and showed up after Bruce’s “death” as an extended side mission and members of the Bat-Family (Dick, Barb, Tim, and even Jason) had to work together in some respect to find out what was going on.
What if it was slightly different and the Bruce that 'died' wasn't Bruce but actually Hush. I know its unlikely but its still cool a cool idea and explains the demon bat credit scene
For the record, I did the bird mission after beating the story mode and it’s the funniest thing. Everyone just refers to Bane as if he’s still out in Gotham, once you beat Bird he’ll say “Oh it’s too late now, Bane has a much bigger plan for you which you won’t be able to stop
@@frisby7143 you are one of those people who simply can’t be pleased. They give you what you want, you complain. They don’t give it your complain more. Learn how to simply shut the hell up sometimes and enjoy.
Across all 4 Arkham games, I believe half of the side missions are “there are X number of things guarded by unarmed thugs. Beat them up and destroy the thing. Repeat until all things are destroyed and you may or may not get to do it one more time but with the villain semi-involved in the fight”.
I hated the APC chases and Riddler races on my first run of Arkham Knight, but they're so much easier with the first person camera. I figured that out in my NG+ run and found myself really enjoying them. Also, the APC chases are considerably easier if you leave one or two escorts and focus on the main vehicle.
@@DegenerateJay I only found out because I accidentally pressed the RB button on my Xbox controller, I wish Rocksteady would have let players know that you could change the camera angle, because I'm not that good at driving the Batmobile and really struggled with the Riddler race tracks before I found out.
They are literally inteded as breaks from the story. Friend in Need and Deacon's mission (forgot the name). The game prompts you to do them after their activating story point and tags them in your mission screen. Normally the game either tags the main mission or no mission, this is the only case it tags the sidemission.
You’ve gotta remember that with the Hush storyline the previous writer of the Arkham games (Paul Dini) wasn’t involved with Knight so they pretty much just wrapped it up quickly instead of building upon it
Still not an excuse. The new writer clearly didn’t care because some other story parts in Knight are good. Or the new writer sucked. I think my favorite games story-wise are City, Asylum, Origins, and Knight. I was let down by the story of Knight and at the end of the day, it didn’t reach the climax it should have for the last game in the series.
The main thing that bothers me about Hush is regarding what Batman said in Arkham City. He told Oracle that he would be going after Hush tomorrow (one day after City's events). So, unless there's a comic I missed, did Batman just forget to pursue at the time? Or did he look for him once and said "Meh, I'll see him in a year". Seems really odd to me that Batman wouldn't pursue someone who could jeopardise everything for a whole year.
If you want to get into technicalities, remember he was captured by harley quinn after the events of city. I dont think it's an excuse, but they did say that crime rate fell after the death of joker, so I would assume batman was focusing more on dealing with the loss of the joker.
But in reality it shouldn't have taken that long especially since hush took bruce Wayne's identity. It's not like he could go in public without people freaking out
It also doesn’t make sense that Hush would wait a whole year after getting Bruce’s face. If you don’t wanna draw attention to yourself, you’re gonna have to hide your face cuz anyone in Gotham will recognize you. I don’t think Hush needed to wait a year to get past a receptionist
@@Pyro725 Arkham Knight worst Adds robot Adds remake switch Batman uses voice synthesizer Batman does it and completes it NO NO NO IT IS IMPOSSIBLE HOW DID YOU WIN? you know what that is
I'd have put in the Zsasz mission in City, it's so tedious having to hear the story told repeatedly during repeat plays, I enjoyed the time limit phone finding, and the final takedown, but that's it
@ I enjoyed the idea of urgency, how answering the phones stopped him killing the hostages, maybe something more fun as a minigame instead of following the tracker around the map during the phone call. Great payoff but it's frustrating
Having played knight, if hush was a tank fight, hush would put skin over it and someone would say "I thought I saw Bruce Wayne earlier, be looked a little bigger than usual though"
The worst for me were the Augmented Reality Training missions in City. "Oh just go through a bunch of green circles with the bat symbol on them to get a faster grapple."
To be fair those are put in right at the start to teach players what the glide mechanics are capable of. Obviously now with 11 years of experience with open world batman it's a ball ache but it's actually quite a good idea if you'd only played arkham asylum back in 2011
I liked the firefighter mission. It was really interesting thinking it was firefly, then realizing it was the chief just trying to keep his guys employed so they don't lose their jobs
Same. I just find it enjoyable in Batman games having missions that you just wander across by exploring the map. You could do them throughout any point in the story and it won't disrupt anything nor is it tedious because the enemies are always in a different configuration.
Spygun04 agreed, bane is so stupid in city, he gets trapped behind some tiny little cage fence and doesn’t even try to break them, like hell im sure even batman could break through them
I actually liked the apc missions, because using the batmobile as an actual car rather than a tank is cool, how the batmobile is supposed to be. Fun to do with the alternate batmobile skins as well.
I think that the riddler trophies we're actually fun , like most of them are different and if you collected a amount you would get a cool side mission and a cool riddle , I said to one of my friends a riddle
As much as people don’t like origins, it did a lot of good things, especially like making you feel like an actual detective, something that was lacking in asylum and city
Yeah I was kinda disappointed they didn’t show more of why Batman is the greatest detective outside of Origins. There was a hint of it in City but I don’t remember it being anywhere else.
Just think about how amazing arkham knight would've been if instead of Arkham knight Hush would be working with Scarecrow. Scarecrow wants Batman to suffer and Hush wants Bruce Wayne to suffer This would have been the ultimate challenge for batman and maybe one of the best Batman stories yet
@@connorbramblett4661 true, but in the overal arkham universe, we knew earlier on what Hush wanted, if theyd explored that more in the main missions it would have been a much better game in my opinion
I actually like saving the firefighters made me feel like a hero! Lol I hated the death stroke side mission in Arkham knight and yes hush in there was super disappointing
Personally, I’d completely swap the APC missions for the mines. I know you mentioned the mines but in comparison, there are way more mines and each one has a mandatory tank battle that are in my opinion often a lot more tedious than a car chase
It seemed more like a setup for something instead of the end to it. I didn’t catch that Hush was there until he failed the retinal scan. And I liked how Lucius helped take down Hush by hitting him with the small statue. But Hush is a character that goes along with a good story in the comics and more care should have been given to him.
I like a friend in need. The first time you play it, it's a cool little twist and I think it's a good piece of foreshadowing that Batman will reveal his identity to save a friend if necessary. After the first time, the novelty wears off a bit but at least it's quick so you don't have to waste much time on something you don't like
the most disappointing part of the hush mission in ak for me was the fact that up until that point lucius talked to you every now and then and gave you batmobile upgrades, but as soon as this side mission becomes available he just gets erased from existence because you couldve not done it the moment you got it so it wouldnt make sense for lucius to talk to you. but i love lucius' voice actor because hes lee from the walking dead and his voice gives me pure unadulterated serotonin and nostalgia but he just gets thanos snapped and alfred gives you the upgrades instead, i absolutely hate that.
Since I had beaten Hush before the end of the scarecrow thing I really wish I had the option to use him at the end. Surely the writers could have worked out a way of incorporating that element if it was available in your play through.
My least favorite side mission in the entire series was believe it or not, the Riddler from Arkham Knight. It was very interesting to play through, until you caught him at the end, and he wouldn't shut the freaking hell up.
I hated the end of the Pyg side mission. I liked using detective vision to look at parts of a body, but it should have ended with a detective vision hunt, not an aggravating beat-em-up where you have to do a finisher on every single enemy that you cannot cancel out of once you have pressed the button prompt.
@@henryknippling2408 Oh you're right my bad. Maybe it's using the Batmobile for most of them that makes it feel like there's more. Like I have almost 200 hours of Arkham Knight and I haven't collected all the trophies but managed to get every achievement in city in around 50 hours
The tank battles were so not-Batman it was ridiculous. The Batmobile should have been more chasing and escaping at high speeds. But they invested all their energy into the tank battles, so the chases were dull as dirt. Frankly, the tank battles were dull too. Neither were nearly as well designed as even the most rudimentary brawling and stealth in Asylum .
I think the firefighter and political prisoner missions were great for what they were. In the midst of all the crazy plot stuff going on, it showed Batman still taking the time to help the little guy. I don't think they really needed anything more, as he goes in, does his thing, and gets out. It made you feel cool imo
I swear to god they finished Arkham Knight and were ready to ship the game until one of the interns spoke up and said, “Uh guys what about Hush? You know you left that loose end in Arkham City and forgot to resolve it” and then everyone else went “oh shit! Okay throw something together because this thing releases in 2 hours!”
Basically, all of these complaints highlight the fact that the Arkham series is still expanding on the first game when it should have been changing the game. in 2015, MGSV and Witcher 3 came out. MGSV's systemic dynamics would have greatly benefited Arkham Knight. Had the ATV chases had a variety of approaches, they wouldn't have been so repetitive. Had taking out Bird affected your battle against Bane, or the world in general, or anything, it would have been more interesting. Had rescuing the political prisoners given you some important info, or benefited you in any way, they wouldn't have been so lackluster. On the other hand, had Arkham taken a page from the Witcher, and offered anything more than the barest minimum of story for any of these quests, especially the Hush quest, what a difference it would have made. Imagine if you could spend even half as much time as Hush as you spend as Vlodimir in Witcher, gleefully trashing everything Bruce Wayne has built, what an opportunity to build a character bond with both characters! But because it's an action game, they avoided character building like it was poison. Yet it wasn't an action campaign either. It wasn't even a detective mystery. It was basically nothing. The same is true for the firemen you rescue. What that whole side quest could have benefited from is some good old fashioned branching choices. Making judgement calls about a morally complex situation would have made you more involved with the story, and let you feel like Batman in the one way the game never does. At the end of the day, this whole list just shows that the Arkham formula, great as it is, has reached its limits, and needs to evolve like the rest of gaming. The next Batman needs to be systemic game, as well as an RPG with branching choices. We've been Batman the brawler and Batman the predator. The next step is to let us feel what it's like to be Batman the character, making hard decisions in a morally complex world, and having those decisions change the game. Not just in a telltale games kind of way, but in a Mass Effect kind of way, where our decisions effect our reputation, which changes how criminals interact with us, or cops, or Gordon, or even our sidekicks. Where the choices we make affect the game. That's an Arkham sequel I could get excited about.
Ted Naifeh Facts. That’s honestly why Knight doesn’t like the other games that much, because previous hero side characters you’ve interacted with don’t acknowledge what you did, unless you go into the GCPD lockup, but that’s not even that interesting either. In Asylum any villain activity would either directly tie into the story, or would completely finish the Island events. In City, (besides the side mission mentioned in the video), everything tied back to an upgrade or an legit interaction with a side character. In origins, any side mission that didn’t give an upgrade, was at least acknowledged and appreciated by either Gordon or his daughter, fleshing out the dynamic between Batman and the GCPD. In Arkham Knight? Oh yea, thanks Batman, I know we could’ve never actually done that shit, so we appreciate that. That’s it, just a thank you and a lemme put u in a cell later, and that’s it. You get more lore from the equipment lockup, and just talking with the villains. Not that Knight is anywhere near bad, but they put too much time into Tank Warfare that they couldn’t world build with the characters they already had
Yeah, I replayed the entire series just now (including platinums, lord city took forever), and... They're just super repetitive games period, if it weren't for the story and aesthetic and such they really wouldn't be notable games at all! Adding new gadgets isn't changing up the game, and other games have better tank combat, better action (Arkhams is too simple and easy), and better stealth. Gameplay wise, they are very weak games... They need to completely reshape the game, I'm not asking for DMC level combat, but just something far better
@@kiwakokirigiri3923 The one thing these games have going for them, other than great atmosphere and great scripting (at least on the first two, courtesy Paul Dini) is the brawling and the stealth. Both were clever and innovative, designed perfectly to be engaging for a novice, and get deeper as you get better. That's why everyone fell in love, and they were right. Add to that the deep exploration of Batman lore, and you have a game worth spending time with. The problem is the game had way too much padding. Eventually, brawling with street thugs got so repetitive that the mechanic turned stale. Tracking down trophies would have been great if they'd been capped at the 150 most interesting, challenging ones, instead of 243 in Arkham Knight and a whopping 400+ in City, which I'll wager is why it took you forever. Almost all the side missions were challenging at first, but eventually began to feel like busywork, just a task to be checked off. The problem many games face now is that, once they get past the scripted quests, there's no more reason to play them. And the you can only create so many scripted quests. So to create the perception of extra value, the cut-and-paste challenges appear, things like collectables, or the same enemy xeroxed and littered all over the game map. With, say, the firemen, the monotony could be broken up with variations in who's guarding them, and how. I remember one group having two or three big burly guys that could take out Batman in two hits. Another was four guys surrounded by auto-guns. That was tricky, as it was hard to keep Batman from leaping into firing range when he was jumping from punch to punch. But after twenty or more, the variations ran out. Of course, this wasn't nearly as dull as the landmine tank fights, or the incredibly repetitive watchtowers and checkpoints. So the real question is how do you solve this problem without losing something valuable, without making an already overly long development time even longer? Do you just pair down the sidequest lengths? Fewer riddler trophies? Less watchtowers, etc? I think that's the obvious answer. But I think also, the best moments in the game were the aha moments when you were given the challenge of a device you came to rely on suddenly not working, and you had to figure out a new solution. I think there weren't enough of those. And if you think about it, the most celebrated boss fight in the game is the one that's made entirely of those moments. There are twelve ways to attack Mr. Freeze, and each can be used only once. That dynamic could have applied to every watchtower, checkpoint, hostage, etc. as well. The game had a dozen gadgets and tricks that you never use, because the smoke, the basic battering, and the bat-claw were more or less enough for everything. But once you get used to them, they get old. Take them away and you have to get used to a whole new skill set. That's what keeps the game fresh. But I think the next Batman game should dispense with most of the Arkham format. It's not fresh anymore, and yet another game of the same brawls and stealth will impress no one. Arkham was an amazing game in its day, but its time has passed. The new generation demands a new kind of game. I hope they've figured that out.
@@rottensquid It took forever because of doing the map challenges, with all 4 characters. Not the riddler stuff, but yeah that does take longer than it should in city. I disagree with the combat getting deeper, it starts simple and remains simple. Yes there's some enemies that you need to use certain tactics on but that's about it. Just a matter of memory, not really skill But yeah that's a very good perspective and I agree, although there will be plenty that would bash the game for not being anything like the older ones if that were to happen
Arkham Knight pitch: Director: You have scarecrow, a guy who wants to terrorize Batman, team up with the Arkham Knight, a guy who knows Batman is Bruce. Guy in corner: you know we could have the Arkham Knight be a puppet master and have scarecrow terrorize the populace and the guy we built up in the last game to look like Bruce pull at the civilian life of Bruce. Director: oh forgot about him. Can we just wrap that up in two prompts.
I love the chases. I just loved driving around, trying to catch up, and just slamming the other ACP's into the wall. I love doing them, but if I were to play it over and over and over again, I would get bored with it.
Wait I thought you could engage APCs on foot. Land on the them and take them out using a charge or gel or something with prompt like with the flying sentry drones. Am I misremembering?
It got to a point where I love all of the villains so much that any side mission like the fire fighters and the political prisoners that didn't feature a villain was a wasted opportunity
Very late, but they actually planned hush to be the main villain. That’s why there’s so much emotion when batman says “you did it you killed them didn’t you” but it was scrapped for what we got and they just kept it as a small side quest.
Riddler challenges from Arkham Knight we’re just exhaustingly tedious, Riddler has all that time and resources to make a giant underground death racetrack? Cmon now
About the apc's... I quite enjoied them. Wich is probably becouse the enjoy the battank chases and these are the only ones in the game. (except the 2 in main story)
@@pogggaming4470 That I'm not sure... But it probably was maybe a 60% - 40% or maybe Firefly took a little bit of the money and did the rest for the fun of it, but that's just a guess, but I definitely know they mentioned Firefly being hired to do it.
one thing to appreciate about the apc missions, chasing those things around will most of the time help you find outposts or mines so you don't have to hunt them down yourself. they mark on the map once your within a certain radius so you'd be surprised how much it fill your map after a couple chases
Regarding the Bird side mission in the comics Bane had 3 lieutenants, not just Bird, each with different abilities. Would the mission have been better if it had involved taking each one down and each one requiring a different way of being taken down and each one of them fighting in a different way, and it was a requirement before the first fight with Bane?
I WAS IRRADIATED BY THE PROFESSOR PYG BECAUSE THERE WERE EVERWHERE AND THE OPRAH MUSIC And the riddler is really really annoying because he wants you to collect ALL the trophies (unlike Arkham City)
I can say that fot me, the redeeming part of Bird side mission in AO is that you get "Disarm and destroy" ability as a reward. I like the idea behind AO side missions that every side mission unlocks a specific upgrade that you otherwise cannot obtain in game.
Man, I really thought I remembered the chief working with Firefly. It had nothing to do with beating Firefly's side mission, which could be done independently, but I did think it tied in.
It did kind of yeah. I mean the chief was essentially getting Firefly to do it but we were trying to simplify the plot. The chief is behind it technically but I suppose FF is the one actually igniting them. It ties in, it's just not a super interesting tie in imo. Better than nothing for sure.
@@DegenerateJay I think the actual story of the side mission is pretty okay: the chief is trying to keep jobs for his guys, and is using FF in areas that don't seem to matter to help them for job security. But his conscience is bothering him and FF is a loose cannon, so he tries to call it off somehow, and FF hits the crew. (Just not sure how thugs tie into this... He had them in Origins, but they were borrowed from Joker/Mask.) It's a heck of a lot more nuanced than the Firefly missions themselves, so it really helps those by extension. It's just, as you say, the application of the side mission is repetitively bleh. At best it's a less random red-crime system from Origins with a story tie in: go to areas figure out how to fight the mob, do that, repeat.
1. Riddlers revenge in Asylum 2. Riddlers revenge in City 3. Riddlers not revenge in Origins 4. Riddlers revenge in Knight 5. Catwoman's jewellery in City
Bane and Deadshot in Arkham City were really dissapointing, Arkham Knight Deathstroke was dissapointing too and Electrocutioner in origins and also i think joker's asylum battle was really bad too
Here’s how I think the Hush side mission should have gone: Similar way that Degenerate Jay said but hush was hunting down everyone Thomas Wayne was close to because he saved his mother and stopped him from getting his inheritance so Batman found different bodies around the city like “The Perfect Crime” but it’s just a quick scan and there is a quick story to go with the body. Eventually Batman discovers what’s happing and tries to contact Lucius Fox because he was close to his father, but he doesn’t answer so you go to Wayne tower and (you might not like this idea) you find him dead. Batman is devastated, and he learns that Thomas Elite is going to Wayne Manor and takes Alfred hostage, you go there and confront him, he tells Batman he wants you to bring him Bruce Wayne... Yada yada yada, same type of thing with the game but he says he doesn’t hate Bruce, he just hates his father and wants to destroy everything he built and everything he cared about. So what do you think of my idea?
1. Riddler ( Knight) 2. Nora Freeze (City) 3. Deadshot ( City) 4. Escaped Prisoners ( Origins) 5. Mad Hatter ( City). It's okay but the best Mad Hatter for me is the side mission in Origins where you go through a nightmarish Wonderland to stop Mad Hatter from killing his latest victim. The Mad Hatter side mission from Knight's pretty good too from what I've seen, haven't played since I don't have it, but it too is better than the Mad Hatter side mission in Arkham City.
I don't get why people don't enjoy the Firefighter and Militia missions from Knight. They're some of the best side missions in my opinion, better than anything in City. Do they have literally 0 story? Sure. But I take gameplay over story, and these side missions are just an excuse to have more combat or predator encounter. I enjoy the gameplay and these missions give me more reason to partake in the gameplay I enjoy.
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I loved Armed and Dangerous as well as line of duty. Each mission in line of duty was a new fun combat encounter and some of them had some interesting obstacles and environments. Armed and Dangerous was the most dynamic gameplay option for the batmobile in my opinion. It feels really cool ramming into cars and chasing around a big APC. I found it dynamic and fun to play as apposed to the tank fights.
1: Bird Side Mission (It's forgettable and a big time-waster) 2: Riddler Trophies (Especially in City and Knight) (It gets too tedious, and it's too many trophies that takes ages to collect) 3: Armored and Dangerous (It was kinda fun first time, but a few times more, I hated it) 4: Campaign For Disarment (This is the most repetetive side mission in game-history) 5: Friend In Need (One button, done. And I wish Batman didn't talk when Hush talked. It would improve it more if he would shut up!)
Jack Theflash I meant that moment after when Bruce said “Take your best shot, Tommy” And then Hush is starting a monologue and it sounded interesting, but they had to throw in a voice over. It’s super dumb
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Deathstroke in Arkham Knight was a colossal disappointment.
The cloudburst Arkham Knight boss fight had already left a bad taste into me, and when I went to him and it is revealed to be the same boss fight with different villain, I literally didn't play the game for like a week. This fight isn't fun, it is annoying and frustrating that all these work lead to this.
I like him in origins though
Sherbetlemon92 everybody does.. unless you do it over 50 times
C3PO Robotic I’ve done it way more than 50 and still love it lmao
I know. Arkham Knight itself was a big disappointment.
They didn't include hush in the main story for Knight because they didn't know how to make it into a tank fight
For real even though none of us even liked the tank fight yes we wanted to be able to use the batmobile but not like tht shit and when riddler makes u do loops and shit
Montez Demarrco “none of us even liked the tank fight” that is stupid assumption to make
HE USES PEOPLES PODY PARTS AND ATTACHES THEM TO HIM AND TURNS HIM INTO A MEAT TANK
@@jacktheflash8478 not really
Kermit The Frog yes it is
The riddler side mission in knight is probably my favourite until you have to collect the trophies
And then you have to listen to his broadcasts every two minutes until you solve all the riddles. I’m not gonna lie, I actually wanted to beat the shit out of riddler after the tenth one. It motivated me to finish them
@@henryknippling2408 that's one of my favourite things game developers can do. Actually make me truly want to get my hands on someone and do things I won't be proud of. Especially in games where it's someone who shittalks you throughout the experience. Examples: the watcher (darksiders), GLaDOS (portal) and handsome Jack (borderlands 2).(the last two are also funny so they add more to the game) Although none has fuelled me with hate nearly as much as the Riddler.
@@annointedbytalos5673And when you defeat riddler you even treat him like a damn monkey, just like he calls batman all of the game
Alex B the riddler side mission in all these games in my opinion are not worth the hassle. Especially in Arkham Asylum when all you get is hear the cops arrest the Riddler at his hideout.
And there’s this thing when you do a couple of his races and challenges with Catwoman, but then the next one is in an area you still haven’t unlocked in the story so you can’t proceed. So you have to listen to Riddler mocking you every 10 minute about not going to his hanger even though you can’t do that yet.
I think we can all agree that the Hush side mission was THE WORST. All that build up in city just for some dumb quick time event. You mean to tell me that Hush did ALL that JUST so he can get past a receptionist LOL.
Andrew Garfield yeah he should have been the Arkham knight not Jason Todd
Yeah but at least arkham knight had a better story
Wise Green Wanderer add that this is supposed to be Batman Triumphant
Like I thought he was gonna try to bring Bruce Wayne’s rep down or something. Paul Dini should’ve came back for Knight
Actually that makes perfect sense...really people...think.
1. Riddler
2. Riddler
3. Riddler
4. Riddler
5. Riddler
guest star: Edward The Riddler Nigma
Honorable mentions to The Riddler
based on a hateful remark by: ZLATENDAB
Sounds...Accurate!!!
But of course...
Honorary mention goes to Riddler.
The Riddler missions in Arkham Knight (not the trophies) were really good
Don’t you mean 3. Enigma?
What about the "side mission" in Arkham City which was just collecting a gadget upgrade from the Iceberg lounge? That was beyond laughable
Possibly the most forgettable part of Arkham City. But hey,while being there you could at least solve a riddle and smash some penguin statues with a Batarang.
Is that the bit with the shark
@@nifralo2752 No, it's a side mission after you get the blood sample from Ras Al Ghul
@@AbStar_xx what bit had the shark then?
@@nifralo2752 when you first go into the museum
Bane in Arkham City was laughably disappointing
Almost 2 second action... 😂
You do it twice in origins (drug stashed and bird)
But he is great in origins.
Lol The reason why he's bad in City is literally explained in Origins. Everytime he use's his venom it affects his brain making him have short or long term memory lost. That's why he isn't smart in asylum or City.
Yep locking up bane like that was pretty dumb, I had to put the controller down to process that sh*t.
Rocksteady: we put the tank in there, so YOU'RE GOING TO FU¢K1NG USE IT!!!
Yeah, they're extremely proud of their creation, and let's face it, it's the most badass version of Batmobile in history of Batman ever. They even bragged about the car's model being 500MB in size alone.
@@anonymouspokemon4623 of the car is badass, and I do love the car, it's just overused
@@The_Comic_Geek "overused" lmao
@@legobatmanthevideogame3194 the Batmobile is definitely overused in Batman Arkham knight, but that aside it works just fine and is actually fun to use, just gets old quick
@@The_Comic_Geek I agree they focused on tank fights and not boss battles if they did both this would probably the best game of the Arkham series
I didn’t consider the political prisoners a side mission more there screaming annoyed me lol
Devitron87 but with Deadshot involved
They way they were screaming you would’ve thought they were being sexually assaulted
The political prisoners mission had potential to be interesting and cool,but it it just became repetitive and pointless
Omega Mark right
“HELP! SOMEBODY HELP MEEE!”
I also thought Calendar Man was gonna get a big role in Knight because of that hidden easter egg. Then it just turns into another one-second cameo and he leaves during the main story.
I appreciate how the unlockable story from Knight at least acknowledges Calendar Man planned to come back for Halloween. Scarecrow beat him to the punch in a big way.
Wait he has a cameo in knight? I saw the one in city, but not the knight one
TheSloths DoDuos *spoilers* He’s sitting in the crowd behind Vicki at the end as Bruce “kills himself”. There’s also a book you find in one of his hideouts which turns into one of the intel story/Riddler puzzles.
Expendable Indigo okay I’ll watch the movie again. Thanks!
In Hush’s hideout in Arkham City, you see some canisters that some have said could have been Scarecrow’s fear toxin. They should have had Thomas perform surgery on Crane and become a co-conspirator in AK’s plot. Especially in terms of funding for Crane and Arkham Knight’s plan: Elliot could have slowly siphon money from Wayne Industries that somehow went unnoticed by Bruce or Lucius.
Or even better, a part of the story could be that Jack Ryan or Vicki Vale found that the Arkham Knight’s operation in a Venezuela was traced back to Bruce thanks to Hush’s surgery.
Apparently Paul Dini's original story for Arkham Knight (the one rocksteady decided not to go with) had Scarecrow and Hush as the main villains. All that Hush set up in Arkham City makes more sense if you think of this.
God, that would have been SO much better, and probably much closer to Paul Dini's originally intended plot.
Something I never thought of before but just had a breakthrough, but imagine that if Batman did “die” at the end of Arkham Knight, but Hush still acted as Bruce Wayne and took over the city? I feel that they could’ve teased that into a whole new game with Damian Wayne
Ric Squad I wish Hush never appeared in the main story and showed up after Bruce’s “death” as an extended side mission and members of the Bat-Family (Dick, Barb, Tim, and even Jason) had to work together in some respect to find out what was going on.
Well, it's not really plausible as some people would have noticed. It's difficult to copy a personality and what a person knows.
Hirnlego999 well I guess fool the general public but not the bat family? If that could be done
B A T M A N H U S H
What if it was slightly different and the Bruce that 'died' wasn't Bruce but actually Hush. I know its unlikely but its still cool a cool idea and explains the demon bat credit scene
"Augmented Reality Training online"
Don't you put that evil on me! Don't you put that evil on me, Danger New.
Don't dare
Don’t mention the devils creation
@@Just_Some_Guy_with_a_Mustache The god of the comment section himself.
@@TheSBleeder AND I'M BATMAN!!!!!!
For the record, I did the bird mission after beating the story mode and it’s the funniest thing. Everyone just refers to Bane as if he’s still out in Gotham, once you beat Bird he’ll say “Oh it’s too late now, Bane has a much bigger plan for you which you won’t be able to stop
Is it different or same?
@@pogggaming4470 it’s exactly the same, so characters will act as if it’s the middle of the story, no matter what. Makes it pretty funny.
I did the mad hatter mission after the end of city, which was confusing. Because why would I need the cure? The games over
@@coffinmyface4237 remember the joker hallucinations in batman Arkham knight?
@@pogggaming4470 that wasn't in city, the cure was required for the titan poisoning in city, arkham knight didn't even have a name when city came out.
People playing Arkham asylum - origins: “ GIVE US THE BATMOBILE”
People playing Arkham Knight: “GET RID OF THE BATMOBILE”
For good reason.
No one asked for the tank mode
So the game would be better if.... It was literally just a car to drive from point A to point B? Like in real life?
@@Pullmanfan7 yes
@@frisby7143
So you don't want it to be involved in the gameplay in any way. Well, then just remove it.
@@frisby7143 you are one of those people who simply can’t be pleased. They give you what you want, you complain. They don’t give it your complain more. Learn how to simply shut the hell up sometimes and enjoy.
Across all 4 Arkham games, I believe half of the side missions are “there are X number of things guarded by unarmed thugs. Beat them up and destroy the thing. Repeat until all things are destroyed and you may or may not get to do it one more time but with the villain semi-involved in the fight”.
I hated the APC chases and Riddler races on my first run of Arkham Knight, but they're so much easier with the first person camera. I figured that out in my NG+ run and found myself really enjoying them.
Also, the APC chases are considerably easier if you leave one or two escorts and focus on the main vehicle.
What? There was first person camera in that game? D:
@@aquilesbailo4845 Yeah, on PC you press F twice and on Xbox you press R1 twice.
I only found out about the first person camera halfway through as well and yes it is easier if you leave the escorts, it's what I normally do
@@Pulsarnix I even forgot about that actually
@@DegenerateJay I only found out because I accidentally pressed the RB button on my Xbox controller, I wish Rocksteady would have let players know that you could change the camera angle, because I'm not that good at driving the Batmobile and really struggled with the Riddler race tracks before I found out.
More ideas: 5 villians you want to return
And 5 you don't
Sae Wong Deacon Blackfire to return
riddler
Sae Wong want to say I don’t want joker to return.
magita666 absolutely
I want Black Mask and Hush to return. Not Anarky.
I just treated the Friend In Need Side mission as a break from the main story
If you do any of the meh side missions just throughout they're much more enjoyable.
@@DegenerateJay Yeah, with Acts of Violence, I always do most of them during the main story so, like you said in the video, they're not too bad
They are literally inteded as breaks from the story. Friend in Need and Deacon's mission (forgot the name). The game prompts you to do them after their activating story point and tags them in your mission screen. Normally the game either tags the main mission or no mission, this is the only case it tags the sidemission.
You’ve gotta remember that with the Hush storyline the previous writer of the Arkham games (Paul Dini) wasn’t involved with Knight so they pretty much just wrapped it up quickly instead of building upon it
Still not an excuse. The new writer clearly didn’t care because some other story parts in Knight are good. Or the new writer sucked. I think my favorite games story-wise are City, Asylum, Origins, and Knight. I was let down by the story of Knight and at the end of the day, it didn’t reach the climax it should have for the last game in the series.
Why wasn't he? On a side note it's sad that the clip they showed during the chat of Hush at number one was the length of the entire mission
The main thing that bothers me about Hush is regarding what Batman said in Arkham City. He told Oracle that he would be going after Hush tomorrow (one day after City's events). So, unless there's a comic I missed, did Batman just forget to pursue at the time? Or did he look for him once and said "Meh, I'll see him in a year". Seems really odd to me that Batman wouldn't pursue someone who could jeopardise everything for a whole year.
If you want to get into technicalities, remember he was captured by harley quinn after the events of city. I dont think it's an excuse, but they did say that crime rate fell after the death of joker, so I would assume batman was focusing more on dealing with the loss of the joker.
But in reality it shouldn't have taken that long especially since hush took bruce Wayne's identity. It's not like he could go in public without people freaking out
It also doesn’t make sense that Hush would wait a whole year after getting Bruce’s face. If you don’t wanna draw attention to yourself, you’re gonna have to hide your face cuz anyone in Gotham will recognize you. I don’t think Hush needed to wait a year to get past a receptionist
@@rosestar1324 he probably waited for the scars to heal
@@mattman2964 it does not take a full year to heal scars
Also, I loved chasing after the APC’s. I would always take them to a certain ramp and push them off into the water
Do they die or does it complete the mission?
It completes the mission. It’s still funny though. Sometimes you can sideswipe cars hard enough to where they go in the water.
Yeah it made me feel like a badass
Honestly I loved the line of duty side mission
Me too. Campaign for disarmament is easily the worst, and isn't on the list
Ya
@@roosterjackson7258 Fuck those tank battles
@@Pyro725 Arkham Knight worst
Adds robot
Adds remake switch
Batman uses voice synthesizer
Batman does it and completes it
NO NO NO IT IS IMPOSSIBLE HOW DID YOU WIN?
you know what that is
Any tank battle mission should make the list, all of them sucked because the tank battle concept itself suck
I'd have put in the Zsasz mission in City, it's so tedious having to hear the story told repeatedly during repeat plays, I enjoyed the time limit phone finding, and the final takedown, but that's it
@ I enjoyed the idea of urgency, how answering the phones stopped him killing the hostages, maybe something more fun as a minigame instead of following the tracker around the map during the phone call. Great payoff but it's frustrating
What's also disappointing is that he was supposed to be in knight.
Not to mention how much a pain in the ass it to fine some of the payphones.
Deathstroke boss fight in Knight was so disappointing
Having played knight, if hush was a tank fight, hush would put skin over it and someone would say "I thought I saw Bruce Wayne earlier, be looked a little bigger than usual though"
The worst for me were the Augmented Reality Training missions in City. "Oh just go through a bunch of green circles with the bat symbol on them to get a faster grapple."
Those training missions drive me insane haha
I found them to be awesome. But, the Advanced Augmented Reality Trainings were beyond frustrating.
@@stuntboyshourov2752 at least you got the art for batwing lol
To be fair those are put in right at the start to teach players what the glide mechanics are capable of. Obviously now with 11 years of experience with open world batman it's a ball ache but it's actually quite a good idea if you'd only played arkham asylum back in 2011
@@bengough6772
Exactly, as Asylum had no meaningful glide mechanics, and isn't even necessary most of the time
I liked the firefighter mission. It was really interesting thinking it was firefly, then realizing it was the chief just trying to keep his guys employed so they don't lose their jobs
Same. I just find it enjoyable in Batman games having missions that you just wander across by exploring the map. You could do them throughout any point in the story and it won't disrupt anything nor is it tedious because the enemies are always in a different configuration.
Batman Arkham Asylum: hahaha we don't have side missions we're safe
I wish it did tho
Well there was Riddler and the Spirit of Arkham.
@@l.pricetag.5207 Yeah true
“It’s not Skrillex it’s his cousin krillex who didn’t make it”😂😂😂
i kinda like the firefighters mission & the acts of violence because your actually saving people instead of just fighting a villain
Firefighters was very good but acts of violence was lazy
At least the firefighters missions built up to a plot point. Acts of violence was just there to be there.
Bane in Arkham City was very poorly done, there could have been so much more to it, but nope, seemed very rushed and empty
Still, the setup of Bane not wanting anyone else to experience Titan because making it involved him suffering a LOT had potential.
Calebmufcthompson bane was the thing origins did 100% better, along with the boss battles and death stroke.
Spygun04 agreed, bane is so stupid in city, he gets trapped behind some tiny little cage fence and doesn’t even try to break them, like hell im sure even batman could break through them
I actually liked the apc missions, because using the batmobile as an actual car rather than a tank is cool, how the batmobile is supposed to be. Fun to do with the alternate batmobile skins as well.
I think that the riddler trophies we're actually fun , like most of them are different and if you collected a amount you would get a cool side mission and a cool riddle , I said to one of my friends a riddle
Joe doe 907 the diversity of how you had to collect the Riddler trophies was good. There was just TOO many of them.
Yeah, but the satisfaction of that riddler that punch, mhm
Is it eye ?
Ok,what belongs to you but your friends and family use it more than you
@@8-bit987 your name
I did love those crime scene missions in Origins they were very interesting for me because I’m very interested in criminal cases, mysterious, and such
As much as people don’t like origins, it did a lot of good things, especially like making you feel like an actual detective, something that was lacking in asylum and city
Yeah I was kinda disappointed they didn’t show more of why Batman is the greatest detective outside of Origins. There was a hint of it in City but I don’t remember it being anywhere else.
@@rosestar1324 in arkham knight they did show his detective skills in the pyg murders
@@judomaster0079 the pyg murders were just a reskin of the Hush side quest in City
@@rosestar1324 The hush murders didn’t have a Bossfight at the end they are similar but I wouldn’t call them a ri skin
Just think about how amazing arkham knight would've been if instead of Arkham knight Hush would be working with Scarecrow. Scarecrow wants Batman to suffer and Hush wants Bruce Wayne to suffer
This would have been the ultimate challenge for batman and maybe one of the best Batman stories yet
Arkham Knight also wanted Batman to suffer, but he also wanted to kill him
@@connorbramblett4661 true, but in the overal arkham universe, we knew earlier on what Hush wanted, if theyd explored that more in the main missions it would have been a much better game in my opinion
@@ActionMoviesNL the original writer wanted hush and scarecrow as the main villains but he didn't write Arkham Knight so he wasn't
@@ActionMoviesNL it would have been cool to see more of hush though
@@connorbramblett4661 ow I didn't know that
I actually like saving the firefighters made me feel like a hero! Lol I hated the death stroke side mission in Arkham knight and yes hush in there was super disappointing
Personally, I’d completely swap the APC missions for the mines. I know you mentioned the mines but in comparison, there are way more mines and each one has a mandatory tank battle that are in my opinion often a lot more tedious than a car chase
Yeah or at least reduce the amount of mines
I dont know why but i actually kinda like friend in need
It seemed more like a setup for something instead of the end to it. I didn’t catch that Hush was there until he failed the retinal scan. And I liked how Lucius helped take down Hush by hitting him with the small statue. But Hush is a character that goes along with a good story in the comics and more care should have been given to him.
I like a friend in need. The first time you play it, it's a cool little twist and I think it's a good piece of foreshadowing that Batman will reveal his identity to save a friend if necessary. After the first time, the novelty wears off a bit but at least it's quick so you don't have to waste much time on something you don't like
Michael Fort I agree
the most disappointing part of the hush mission in ak for me was the fact that up until that point lucius talked to you every now and then and gave you batmobile upgrades, but as soon as this side mission becomes available he just gets erased from existence because you couldve not done it the moment you got it so it wouldnt make sense for lucius to talk to you. but i love lucius' voice actor because hes lee from the walking dead and his voice gives me pure unadulterated serotonin and nostalgia but he just gets thanos snapped and alfred gives you the upgrades instead, i absolutely hate that.
Since I had beaten Hush before the end of the scarecrow thing I really wish I had the option to use him at the end.
Surely the writers could have worked out a way of incorporating that element if it was available in your play through.
My least favorite side mission in the entire series was believe it or not, the Riddler from Arkham Knight. It was very interesting to play through, until you caught him at the end, and he wouldn't shut the freaking hell up.
I find riddler quite humorous. But it does get frustrating when he talks about how dumb you are EVERY 2 BLOODY MINUTES!!!!
Woulda put all the non Arkham Asylum riddler missions on the top of the list
Arkham cities were good
5 best bat suits of all time Jay !
Not just in games but just my favorites?
Degenerate Jay in game or what you’re looking forward to
Degenerate Jay You could make two separate lists; one for the Arkham games and the other for Batsuits in general
I hated the end of the Pyg side mission. I liked using detective vision to look at parts of a body, but it should have ended with a detective vision hunt, not an aggravating beat-em-up where you have to do a finisher on every single enemy that you cannot cancel out of once you have pressed the button prompt.
I just finished watching your playlists of you both playing asylum, city, and Harley's revenge. When will you play knight and orgins?
I expected more with Azrael in Knight after City. At least more of a tie-in with the story.
Catman, Owlman, Prometheus, Hush and Deathstroke should've all been used in Arkham Knight, as "Red Herrings" for the titular character
Anything with the Riddler is automatically the worst
Truth spoken!
Kevin Newbry
I felt like someone squished my coconos after Riddler just hid in his garage in the middle of the boss fight.
I've completed all the riddler missions in Asylum, City and Origins but there are too fucking many in Knight
Qqqaxevlggoooddstanblqdeth 666 there are twice as many in city than there were in knight....
@@henryknippling2408 Oh you're right my bad. Maybe it's using the Batmobile for most of them that makes it feel like there's more.
Like I have almost 200 hours of Arkham Knight and I haven't collected all the trophies but managed to get every achievement in city in around 50 hours
Fun list! Gotta say, though, I found disarming the mines WAY worse than chasing the APCs in Knight. It felt like it took three times as long.
The tank battles were so not-Batman it was ridiculous. The Batmobile should have been more chasing and escaping at high speeds. But they invested all their energy into the tank battles, so the chases were dull as dirt. Frankly, the tank battles were dull too. Neither were nearly as well designed as even the most rudimentary brawling and stealth in Asylum
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Tbh I thought the apc chases were very thrilling
I think the firefighter and political prisoner missions were great for what they were. In the midst of all the crazy plot stuff going on, it showed Batman still taking the time to help the little guy. I don't think they really needed anything more, as he goes in, does his thing, and gets out. It made you feel cool imo
You two talking about the Political Prisoner Side Mission had me rolling. LMAO
That red suit in the line of duty almost made me puke
I swear to god they finished Arkham Knight and were ready to ship the game until one of the interns spoke up and said, “Uh guys what about Hush? You know you left that loose end in Arkham City and forgot to resolve it” and then everyone else went “oh shit! Okay throw something together because this thing releases in 2 hours!”
Basically, all of these complaints highlight the fact that the Arkham series is still expanding on the first game when it should have been changing the game. in 2015, MGSV and Witcher 3 came out.
MGSV's systemic dynamics would have greatly benefited Arkham Knight. Had the ATV chases had a variety of approaches, they wouldn't have been so repetitive. Had taking out Bird affected your battle against Bane, or the world in general, or anything, it would have been more interesting. Had rescuing the political prisoners given you some important info, or benefited you in any way, they wouldn't have been so lackluster.
On the other hand, had Arkham taken a page from the Witcher, and offered anything more than the barest minimum of story for any of these quests, especially the Hush quest, what a difference it would have made. Imagine if you could spend even half as much time as Hush as you spend as Vlodimir in Witcher, gleefully trashing everything Bruce Wayne has built, what an opportunity to build a character bond with both characters! But because it's an action game, they avoided character building like it was poison. Yet it wasn't an action campaign either. It wasn't even a detective mystery. It was basically nothing.
The same is true for the firemen you rescue. What that whole side quest could have benefited from is some good old fashioned branching choices. Making judgement calls about a morally complex situation would have made you more involved with the story, and let you feel like Batman in the one way the game never does.
At the end of the day, this whole list just shows that the Arkham formula, great as it is, has reached its limits, and needs to evolve like the rest of gaming. The next Batman needs to be systemic game, as well as an RPG with branching choices. We've been Batman the brawler and Batman the predator. The next step is to let us feel what it's like to be Batman the character, making hard decisions in a morally complex world, and having those decisions change the game. Not just in a telltale games kind of way, but in a Mass Effect kind of way, where our decisions effect our reputation, which changes how criminals interact with us, or cops, or Gordon, or even our sidekicks. Where the choices we make affect the game.
That's an Arkham sequel I could get excited about.
Ted Naifeh
Facts. That’s honestly why Knight doesn’t like the other games that much, because previous hero side characters you’ve interacted with don’t acknowledge what you did, unless you go into the GCPD lockup, but that’s not even that interesting either. In Asylum any villain activity would either directly tie into the story, or would completely finish the Island events. In City, (besides the side mission mentioned in the video), everything tied back to an upgrade or an legit interaction with a side character. In origins, any side mission that didn’t give an upgrade, was at least acknowledged and appreciated by either Gordon or his daughter, fleshing out the dynamic between Batman and the GCPD. In Arkham Knight? Oh yea, thanks Batman, I know we could’ve never actually done that shit, so we appreciate that. That’s it, just a thank you and a lemme put u in a cell later, and that’s it. You get more lore from the equipment lockup, and just talking with the villains. Not that Knight is anywhere near bad, but they put too much time into Tank Warfare that they couldn’t world build with the characters they already had
Yeah, I replayed the entire series just now (including platinums, lord city took forever), and...
They're just super repetitive games period, if it weren't for the story and aesthetic and such they really wouldn't be notable games at all!
Adding new gadgets isn't changing up the game, and other games have better tank combat, better action (Arkhams is too simple and easy), and better stealth. Gameplay wise, they are very weak games... They need to completely reshape the game, I'm not asking for DMC level combat, but just something far better
I agree! If/when Arkham returns I hope it does stuff to refresh/revive the series and to be acceptable in today’s gaming world.
@@kiwakokirigiri3923 The one thing these games have going for them, other than great atmosphere and great scripting (at least on the first two, courtesy Paul Dini) is the brawling and the stealth. Both were clever and innovative, designed perfectly to be engaging for a novice, and get deeper as you get better. That's why everyone fell in love, and they were right. Add to that the deep exploration of Batman lore, and you have a game worth spending time with.
The problem is the game had way too much padding. Eventually, brawling with street thugs got so repetitive that the mechanic turned stale. Tracking down trophies would have been great if they'd been capped at the 150 most interesting, challenging ones, instead of 243 in Arkham Knight and a whopping 400+ in City, which I'll wager is why it took you forever. Almost all the side missions were challenging at first, but eventually began to feel like busywork, just a task to be checked off.
The problem many games face now is that, once they get past the scripted quests, there's no more reason to play them. And the you can only create so many scripted quests. So to create the perception of extra value, the cut-and-paste challenges appear, things like collectables, or the same enemy xeroxed and littered all over the game map.
With, say, the firemen, the monotony could be broken up with variations in who's guarding them, and how. I remember one group having two or three big burly guys that could take out Batman in two hits. Another was four guys surrounded by auto-guns. That was tricky, as it was hard to keep Batman from leaping into firing range when he was jumping from punch to punch. But after twenty or more, the variations ran out.
Of course, this wasn't nearly as dull as the landmine tank fights, or the incredibly repetitive watchtowers and checkpoints.
So the real question is how do you solve this problem without losing something valuable, without making an already overly long development time even longer? Do you just pair down the sidequest lengths? Fewer riddler trophies? Less watchtowers, etc? I think that's the obvious answer. But I think also, the best moments in the game were the aha moments when you were given the challenge of a device you came to rely on suddenly not working, and you had to figure out a new solution. I think there weren't enough of those.
And if you think about it, the most celebrated boss fight in the game is the one that's made entirely of those moments. There are twelve ways to attack Mr. Freeze, and each can be used only once. That dynamic could have applied to every watchtower, checkpoint, hostage, etc. as well. The game had a dozen gadgets and tricks that you never use, because the smoke, the basic battering, and the bat-claw were more or less enough for everything. But once you get used to them, they get old. Take them away and you have to get used to a whole new skill set. That's what keeps the game fresh.
But I think the next Batman game should dispense with most of the Arkham format. It's not fresh anymore, and yet another game of the same brawls and stealth will impress no one. Arkham was an amazing game in its day, but its time has passed. The new generation demands a new kind of game. I hope they've figured that out.
@@rottensquid It took forever because of doing the map challenges, with all 4 characters. Not the riddler stuff, but yeah that does take longer than it should in city.
I disagree with the combat getting deeper, it starts simple and remains simple. Yes there's some enemies that you need to use certain tactics on but that's about it. Just a matter of memory, not really skill
But yeah that's a very good perspective and I agree, although there will be plenty that would bash the game for not being anything like the older ones if that were to happen
I like finding the firefighters cuz the combat are rlly cool. Would have liked if it was tied into firefly’s mission though and they were two in one.
Arkham Knight pitch:
Director: You have scarecrow, a guy who wants to terrorize Batman, team up with the Arkham Knight, a guy who knows Batman is Bruce.
Guy in corner: you know we could have the Arkham Knight be a puppet master and have scarecrow terrorize the populace and the guy we built up in the last game to look like Bruce pull at the civilian life of Bruce.
Director: oh forgot about him. Can we just wrap that up in two prompts.
You should do 5 hardest boss battles and 5 easiest boss battles
@Grimreaper 123 Kicked my booty on new game plus a couple of times but got easier after you got down the qtes.
Electrocutioner was impossible
@@StarrySentinel Bro, it took me 2 hours JUST TO GET PASS THE FIRST PHASE.
I love the chases. I just loved driving around, trying to catch up, and just slamming the other ACP's into the wall. I love doing them, but if I were to play it over and over and over again, I would get bored with it.
Wow I had no idea about that bird side mission in origins
Wait I thought you could engage APCs on foot. Land on the them and take them out using a charge or gel or something with prompt like with the flying sentry drones. Am I misremembering?
Like in addition to normal cars.
Normal cars and also the Flying unmanned drones you can.
It got to a point where I love all of the villains so much that any side mission like the fire fighters and the political prisoners that didn't feature a villain was a wasted opportunity
it's definitely a strength of these games, like Batman in the comics. A big part of the heart of the brand is just in the villains and their writing.
6:23 for a second I thought you said “axe of violence” and was genuinely wondering why I never played that mission
I always remember to do the Bird side mission ASAP because it unlocks the Special Combo Disarm and Destroy upgrade in Origins
Very late, but they actually planned hush to be the main villain. That’s why there’s so much emotion when batman says “you did it you killed them didn’t you” but it was scrapped for what we got and they just kept it as a small side quest.
Riddler challenges from Arkham Knight we’re just exhaustingly tedious, Riddler has all that time and resources to make a giant underground death racetrack? Cmon now
Bird was in knight fall but he had more to do in that story.
About the apc's...
I quite enjoied them. Wich is probably becouse the enjoy the battank chases and these are the only ones in the game.
(except the 2 in main story)
The firefighter mission gave background to why the sprinkler and anti fire system in the buildings firefly attacked wasnt going off
well actually i'm pretty sure that the fire chief payed firefly to set the fires
Yup, he did pay Firefly to do it.
@@jbktpl1245 but how much money?
@@pogggaming4470 That I'm not sure... But it probably was maybe a 60% - 40% or maybe Firefly took a little bit of the money and did the rest for the fun of it, but that's just a guess, but I definitely know they mentioned Firefly being hired to do it.
one thing to appreciate about the apc missions, chasing those things around will most of the time help you find outposts or mines so you don't have to hunt them down yourself. they mark on the map once your within a certain radius so you'd be surprised how much it fill your map after a couple chases
It would of been better if Hush was The Arkham Knight all along
dude, I loved the armored car chases. they were the best use of the car
Scarecrow and Clayface should have been in Arkham origins side missions
I wish we could've gotten more of clayface
Julian Shipp Jr especially when was just a masked serial killer
@@srstriker6420 ikr
Regarding the Bird side mission in the comics Bane had 3 lieutenants, not just Bird, each with different abilities. Would the mission have been better if it had involved taking each one down and each one requiring a different way of being taken down and each one of them fighting in a different way, and it was a requirement before the first fight with Bane?
I WAS IRRADIATED BY THE PROFESSOR PYG BECAUSE THERE WERE EVERWHERE AND THE OPRAH MUSIC
And the riddler is really really annoying because he wants you to collect ALL the trophies (unlike Arkham City)
I can say that fot me, the redeeming part of Bird side mission in AO is that you get "Disarm and destroy" ability as a reward. I like the idea behind AO side missions that every side mission unlocks a specific upgrade that you otherwise cannot obtain in game.
Man, I really thought I remembered the chief working with Firefly. It had nothing to do with beating Firefly's side mission, which could be done independently, but I did think it tied in.
It did kind of yeah. I mean the chief was essentially getting Firefly to do it but we were trying to simplify the plot. The chief is behind it technically but I suppose FF is the one actually igniting them. It ties in, it's just not a super interesting tie in imo. Better than nothing for sure.
@@DegenerateJay I think the actual story of the side mission is pretty okay: the chief is trying to keep jobs for his guys, and is using FF in areas that don't seem to matter to help them for job security. But his conscience is bothering him and FF is a loose cannon, so he tries to call it off somehow, and FF hits the crew. (Just not sure how thugs tie into this... He had them in Origins, but they were borrowed from Joker/Mask.) It's a heck of a lot more nuanced than the Firefly missions themselves, so it really helps those by extension. It's just, as you say, the application of the side mission is repetitively bleh. At best it's a less random red-crime system from Origins with a story tie in: go to areas figure out how to fight the mob, do that, repeat.
Batman’s ultimate weakness collecting neon punctuation. I know truly terrifying.
I hate riddler
1. Riddlers revenge in Asylum
2. Riddlers revenge in City
3. Riddlers not revenge in Origins
4. Riddlers revenge in Knight
5. Catwoman's jewellery in City
Also not a fan of the Riddler Knight stuff
None of us are...
Bane and Deadshot in Arkham City were really dissapointing, Arkham Knight Deathstroke was dissapointing too and Electrocutioner in origins and also i think joker's asylum battle was really bad too
The Hush side mission is one of my favs, im suprised its on here
Here’s how I think the Hush side mission should have gone:
Similar way that Degenerate Jay said but hush was hunting down everyone Thomas Wayne was close to because he saved his mother and stopped him from getting his inheritance so Batman found different bodies around the city like “The Perfect Crime” but it’s just a quick scan and there is a quick story to go with the body. Eventually Batman discovers what’s happing and tries to contact Lucius Fox because he was close to his father, but he doesn’t answer so you go to Wayne tower and (you might not like this idea) you find him dead. Batman is devastated, and he learns that Thomas Elite is going to Wayne Manor and takes Alfred hostage, you go there and confront him, he tells Batman he wants you to bring him Bruce Wayne... Yada yada yada, same type of thing with the game but he says he doesn’t hate Bruce, he just hates his father and wants to destroy everything he built and everything he cared about.
So what do you think of my idea?
It sounds good
Are you guys gonna play through Origins soon?
I'm probably waiting till we are bigger and I'll just start a let's play channel for stuff like that actually. But in the future, yes!
Degenerate Jay Ok cool. Thanks
1. Riddler ( Knight) 2. Nora Freeze (City) 3. Deadshot ( City) 4. Escaped Prisoners ( Origins) 5. Mad Hatter ( City). It's okay but the best Mad Hatter for me is the side mission in Origins where you go through a nightmarish Wonderland to stop Mad Hatter from killing his latest victim. The Mad Hatter side mission from Knight's pretty good too from what I've seen, haven't played since I don't have it, but it too is better than the Mad Hatter side mission in Arkham City.
Your guys' videos are some of the best out there! Always honest and informative.
Shucks thanks we try!
I thought the bodies found in the professor pyg side mission was for hush until I fought pyg then I was confused
You hear the opera music right?
when i viewed this video, it said 3,000 views exactly. Satisfaction!
I don't get why people don't enjoy the Firefighter and Militia missions from Knight. They're some of the best side missions in my opinion, better than anything in City. Do they have literally 0 story? Sure. But I take gameplay over story, and these side missions are just an excuse to have more combat or predator encounter. I enjoy the gameplay and these missions give me more reason to partake in the gameplay I enjoy.
Is it just me or do you feel like they've said the same thing about everything? As in ALL of the side missions and stuff are meh?
worst part of acts of violence is the prisoner's screaming that you can hear two districts away
I just want to say Man, keep up the awesome work !!! You should consider doing the last of us, uncharted, etc. You’re passion in your videos is awesome! Stay encouraged and keep doing what your doing !!
Thanks Josiah! Definitely going to be doing some branching out here too! I appreciate the encouragement!
Degenerate Jay no problem man, never ever doubt yourself. You’re fluent, great, Positive, hopeful, & inspirational. I know you will become big one day, I just got this strong feeling. Follow your dreams bro 💯 you influenced me to make a insta. & Facebook account to inspire people, I would always hate talking into the camera...but how you carried yourself made me know I can do it too. Have an awesome day !! Don’t quit man, you’re one of the best💪
I loved Armed and Dangerous as well as line of duty. Each mission in line of duty was a new fun combat encounter and some of them had some interesting obstacles and environments. Armed and Dangerous was the most dynamic gameplay option for the batmobile in my opinion. It feels really cool ramming into cars and chasing around a big APC. I found it dynamic and fun to play as apposed to the tank fights.
#1 Campaign For Disarmament
Tbh I loved the firefighter mission, it’s an easy ass way to get more xp points and shit, also hepled me develop more fighting tactics
Can’t wait for how good this videos gonna be
1: Bird Side Mission (It's forgettable and a big time-waster)
2: Riddler Trophies (Especially in City and Knight) (It gets too tedious, and it's too many trophies that takes ages to collect)
3: Armored and Dangerous (It was kinda fun first time, but a few times more, I hated it)
4: Campaign For Disarment (This is the most repetetive side mission in game-history)
5: Friend In Need (One button, done. And I wish Batman didn't talk when Hush talked. It would improve it more if he would shut up!)
I’m pretty sure Batman didn’t talk when hush talked
Jack Theflash I meant that moment after when Bruce said “Take your best shot, Tommy” And then Hush is starting a monologue and it sounded interesting, but they had to throw in a voice over. It’s super dumb
CPPower10Gamer -Norsk Gaming its not dumb it’s just inconvenient