As someone who had the Circuit Tracks as a "gateway drug" from guitar music into electronic stuff, this is very interesting. Problem is, getting sounds off most grooveboxes boxes isn't fun. This a) makes getting songs into the DAW easy, b) can do more in terms of polyphony and samples and c) it's a an Ableton controller bundled in. (No wonder Novation quietly took 1/3 off the Tracks price today.) As you say it's all about the fun factor. It's almost like they took a look at the OP-1 and said, "how can we make this affordable and actually useful?" Even the sample chopping in drum pads (which is kinda basic) is inspiring in an old school MPC fashion. You could still get a Push as well and be very content with the combo.
Hey thanks for the comment. Yeah that has always been a problem , how is the best way to get track you make on these standalone boxes into a DAW. That why I'm in to this! it has built in WIFI and you can send the project to Live or the Push 3 to be further explored. Do you think you'll be getting one?
@@pushpatterns On the fence between this and a Push (controller). My workflow currently is very much do something away from the desk on a groovebox since (classic story) I look at a computer all day - then drop the idea into Live. This is great but I lose out on the whole Session View thing, since it makes more sense to drop stems into Arrangement View. Push would mean I could have a groove box vibe in Session View, but go straight into arranger mode. Move makes starting simple (which I honestly value really highly) and it also does some Ableton control. The question is how much does doing the other stuff (loading VSTs/managing FX chains) via the mouse and keys bother me? So yeah... torn at the mo!
I understand. I would just say if your want a more portable device, go for Move. The push is great but it big and heavy, and if you get the controller version you'll still be on the computer. But the Push has lot more features, you wouldn't 'out grow' it, if you know what i mean?
@@pushpatterns Yeah it's a tricky one. Do I need the portability? I have a portable groovebox already (Polyend Tracker.) That said, I have the Tracker because it's unique and different to Live. So the choice comes down to whether to have that "grow into" experience with Live, and embrace the Push as a controller for it. Or whether to have a second option for an on the go workflow when I don't feel like using the Tracker. I make different stuff in Ableton as it is, so there is a good argument that the better use of cash would be Push, because I can use it to work on Tracker projects and Ableton only ones...
Finally someone on TH-cam who gets it. So much negativity on the ableton youtube and Facebook comments which is a shame. I’ve ordered mine. Yes I’ve got suite and push 3 but this is my couch machine and holiday/travel buddy. I looked at elektron and Roland Airas which I feel this covers. My only gripe is 4 tracks. Should have been 8 especially as they launched on the 8th. Having to learn new machines and then try to get those ideas on your daw is still a pain. This solves all that and gives me a mini push when I’m out and about with my laptop. Looking forward to how this progresses as user preset imports are in the timeline for drift and wavetable. Have to also agree with you on ableton presets - they suck. Never use them in live.
Ah really happy we are on the same wavelength! That’s it! This can go in bag and travel around with me as portable sketch pad, and hopefully come up with some bangers!
@@pushpatterns haha yes. People forget some of the best songs ever made were with a 4 instrument band. Drums, bass, synth and vocals. I think the step sequencer is also over looked. I think we’re going to hear people making some clever stuff with this machine.
There’s always haters, but it’s surprising for so many people to criticize Move’s minimalist design when Ableton has been pioneering minimalist design for 25 years…
@@CodyAvant haha so true. It’s very simple to look at but it’s all about workflow. People will come round to it when they start seeing what it’s capable of.
@@pushpatterns Not yet, because I’m moving this month and don’t need any distractions 😅. But it’s already sitting in the basket 🙈 and will be ordered next month, just in time for vacation. 😎
@@pushpatterns yeah I mean I’m old man. If you compare this to an MPC1000 it’s only limited because of the track count. Otherwise it seems like quite a capable little machine. And there’s nothing to stop you resampling into a drum sampler pad on the fly if you really need more shorter sounds happening at once. Not that I’ve read in the manual anyway. Looks good if you don’t look at it as a hobbled mini push.
That it, it just a limited sketch pad, if people want more options there is always the push and Live. This is fun little music sketch pad to jot down ideas on the go.
Two things that are holding me back for this device: 1. Only 4 tracks (although there are workarounds for it) 2. No Warping/ time stretching. Now this is actually a big one for me if that means that you can't just throw in loops and expect them to auto beat sync. As I've always seen this as an essential and insanely fun Ableton workflow for its clip launching in Session View.
I guess thats the point though. It limited so you don't start messing around with all those things. You can always transfer the idea to live or the push 3 and do all them things. But can understanding some people will want them in the box.
@@pushpatterns Time stretching should be absolutely in there though. Jamming by instant clip launching of multiple loops that you just could throw in regardless of tempo has always been THE immediate and fun feature of Ableton Live that made it stand out, which is what the Move is all about.
Thing is ultimately the answer would be somewhere between Push and Move. IE a more feature rich Move with slightly more of the things regular Ableton users are likely to want. They can't do that because that would cannibalise their flagship hardware product. I absolutely don't blame for this. I do think, after the initial excitement, many (especially experienced Ableton users, will find it too limiting and look elsewhere for their more portable devices.
Classic product design to optimise profit. Release the premium product (push), then release a bare ones accessible version (the move) then release the in-between for maximum profit from both those who became customers through the push by providing something more portable, but also a more feature rich "move" from your new customer base that came from the move
I think now people are diving in the Move we are seeing that it's not as limited as it first seemed. But the limitations are there on purpose but with good intentions :)
I'd just love something really wild if the onua is on portable Ableton. I think it's great that this will definitely actually as a gateway for people into more in-depth production, and clearly a lot of people love the product, but something like a device that acts as a sketch pad for Max For Live would be amazing. Basically a mad toy with access to Max that allows you to sit somewhere, experiment like crazy with all the mad stuff and sync it all to your main production centre
@@pushpatternsI have the Push 2 and always loved it. Never found a reason to update to the 3. But this device looks cool for chilling and coming up with ideas
If you think a product can be good on the basis of future updates, it is not a good product. For me personally, the fact that it only has 4 tracks and that at the synthesis level it is just a preset playback machine, puts me off. Let's see what Novation has to say if they ever produce a Launchpad Pro MK4...
@@paQ75 it’s good for my use as is. So I’m buying it for that reason. Updates mean they are spending the time to perfect it and meet customer needs. Same with all music gear that can be updated with software. Including ableton Live. If not we would still be on version 1.
I will be very happy to own the Move and the Push 3 Standalone. I haven’t used the Push as much as I was hoping because it’s too heavy to travel, so it’s always at my desk, and I have a million other options at my desk, so I usually use a high quality midi 88 weighted key piano, or drum on my SPD-SX Pro, or use real guitars, bass, cello, etc. If the Push was lighter I would be so much happier. So I’ve been using Note most of the time when I’m not at the desk, so this new Move is perfect.
This is it! The idea of the portability of the Push 3 is great but the reality is a different story. I'm super excited to try it out too! Let me know how you get on if you get one!
@@pushpatterns I don't know if you have yours yet, but this Move is freaking amazing, 10x better than I thought it would be. It has all the most important features of the Push, and it's super portable. I've been jamming on it all day. And it keeps inspiring me to use the Push as well. So maybe I'll jam out on the Move, and when I like something enough, I'll figure out how to transfer it to the Push or Live. I'm very happy with the Move. All the naysayers have no idea how capable this little device is. They're focusing on the shortcomings, not realizing how powerful it is, just like the Note app. But the Move is a much better interface for Note, I really like it.
@@pushpatterns Also, if you haven't seen the Sweetwater demo, you should definitely check it out. They use 3 Pushes and 1 Move to make a cover of Fleetwood Mac "Dreams". Seems like more of a demo of the Push, but it's cool to see 3 Pushes and 1 Move all synced together. With 3 talented musicians and a great performance. Listen on nice studio monitors though, it didn't sound as good on my laptop speakers
@@pushpatterns Also, if you haven't seen the Sweetwater demo, you should definitely check it out. They use 3 Pushes and 1 Move to make a cover of Fleetwood Mac "Dreams". Seems like more of a demo of the Push, but it's cool to see 3 Pushes and 1 Move all synced together. With 3 talented musicians and a great performance. Listen on nice studio monitors though, it didn't sound as good on my laptop speakers
Finally I can make beats in all those places I never could... Waiting in line at the Supermarket: Ableton Move! Riding the bus to work: Ableton Move! Roofing in the middle of July: Ableton Move! Mowing the lawn: Ableton Move! Looking for my shoes underneath the bed: Ableton Move! Taking a dump at 3:00am because it was burrito night the day before: Ableton Move! Hiding in my closet because the Loan Sharks are knocking at the door: Ableton Move! And finally, Roller Coaster ride: Ableton Move! Because why not!
Hey, there isn’t any information out this but I would take a guess and say no. Probably going to be an ableton exclusive thing. It come with ableton intro, so you you could always learn ableton?
Sure you can. You can export the 4 groups individually as audio directly from the device or as a set to Live Intro, even if it's just about to get the midi melody, to use it with your Logic synths or VST. But since it is based on internal Ableton Live instruments like Wavetable you can't import sets to Logic. So it's more like a traditional Instrument then where you have to commit on the export/recording without being able to change individual synth parameters later. So it's a limitation but not necessarily a dealbreaker.
As i understand it from the press release it has polyphonic aftertouch but not fully MPE they will some dimension to it but not fully MPE if you know what I mean?
@@pushpatterns so it can’t do vertical or horizontal messages, just the pressure messages. Which I guess is really just the same as Poly aftertouch. I’m not sure how you’d implement vertical and horizontal on drum pads, though!
That whats written on their release notes on their website, just poly aftertouch. But i'll have a futher investigation when my unit arrives. I'll let you know.
@@danpreston564look at how the KMI QuNexus does it, they’re pads that feel good but they read pad position too. And that’s on a $220 MPE controller. Linnstrument pads also feel very good. It’s definitely doable. At least it has poly AT.
I’m unsure about the warp, but it will function like the note app. And as I understand you can import racks from live. I don’t have the unit yet to double check
I guess it depends. If they are dry presets based on Ableton Wavetable, yes, not sure if Splice selling presets for Ableton Wavetable but i know some who do like Audioreakt. Ableton has planned to add an export feature for presets of supported devices like Wavetable to the Move, if the preset comes in rack with many FX and uses devices not part of Move, you will have to change them.
Will he be able to use this with a cracked ableton? Ie : will he just have to stay away from ableton cloud and transfer his projects some other way? 😅😅
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As someone who had the Circuit Tracks as a "gateway drug" from guitar music into electronic stuff, this is very interesting. Problem is, getting sounds off most grooveboxes boxes isn't fun. This a) makes getting songs into the DAW easy, b) can do more in terms of polyphony and samples and c) it's a an Ableton controller bundled in. (No wonder Novation quietly took 1/3 off the Tracks price today.) As you say it's all about the fun factor. It's almost like they took a look at the OP-1 and said, "how can we make this affordable and actually useful?" Even the sample chopping in drum pads (which is kinda basic) is inspiring in an old school MPC fashion. You could still get a Push as well and be very content with the combo.
Hey thanks for the comment. Yeah that has always been a problem , how is the best way to get track you make on these standalone boxes into a DAW. That why I'm in to this! it has built in WIFI and you can send the project to Live or the Push 3 to be further explored. Do you think you'll be getting one?
@@pushpatterns On the fence between this and a Push (controller). My workflow currently is very much do something away from the desk on a groovebox since (classic story) I look at a computer all day - then drop the idea into Live. This is great but I lose out on the whole Session View thing, since it makes more sense to drop stems into Arrangement View. Push would mean I could have a groove box vibe in Session View, but go straight into arranger mode. Move makes starting simple (which I honestly value really highly) and it also does some Ableton control. The question is how much does doing the other stuff (loading VSTs/managing FX chains) via the mouse and keys bother me? So yeah... torn at the mo!
I understand. I would just say if your want a more portable device, go for Move. The push is great but it big and heavy, and if you get the controller version you'll still be on the computer. But the Push has lot more features, you wouldn't 'out grow' it, if you know what i mean?
@@pushpatterns Yeah it's a tricky one. Do I need the portability? I have a portable groovebox already (Polyend Tracker.) That said, I have the Tracker because it's unique and different to Live. So the choice comes down to whether to have that "grow into" experience with Live, and embrace the Push as a controller for it. Or whether to have a second option for an on the go workflow when I don't feel like using the Tracker. I make different stuff in Ableton as it is, so there is a good argument that the better use of cash would be Push, because I can use it to work on Tracker projects and Ableton only ones...
I guess see if you can try one or the other before you by? it really come down to your experience at the end of the day :)
Finally someone on TH-cam who gets it. So much negativity on the ableton youtube and Facebook comments which is a shame. I’ve ordered mine. Yes I’ve got suite and push 3 but this is my couch machine and holiday/travel buddy. I looked at elektron and Roland Airas which I feel this covers. My only gripe is 4 tracks. Should have been 8 especially as they launched on the 8th.
Having to learn new machines and then try to get those ideas on your daw is still a pain. This solves all that and gives me a mini push when I’m out and about with my laptop. Looking forward to how this progresses as user preset imports are in the timeline for drift and wavetable.
Have to also agree with you on ableton presets - they suck. Never use them in live.
Ah really happy we are on the same wavelength! That’s it! This can go in bag and travel around with me as portable sketch pad, and hopefully come up with some bangers!
@@pushpatterns haha yes. People forget some of the best songs ever made were with a 4 instrument band. Drums, bass, synth and vocals. I think the step sequencer is also over looked.
I think we’re going to hear people making some clever stuff with this machine.
Yes that's it, I'm looking froward to all the awesome music people are going to make. And also all the new people it brings to Ableton Live.
There’s always haters, but it’s surprising for so many people to criticize Move’s minimalist design when Ableton has been pioneering minimalist design for 25 years…
@@CodyAvant haha so true. It’s very simple to look at but it’s all about workflow. People will come round to it when they start seeing what it’s capable of.
Juhu! I found the place to be as someone who is interested in Move and sees its advantages instead of limitations. 🥳
Welcome to the party, glad your here! Did you order one?
@@pushpatterns Not yet, because I’m moving this month and don’t need any distractions 😅. But it’s already sitting in the basket 🙈 and will be ordered next month, just in time for vacation. 😎
Lovely. What nice holiday present :)
Out and about it’s a sketchpad, at home its an extra groovebox and vst controller. Works for me
Thats it. It's a limited sketch pad, but on purpose :) I'm game too!
@@pushpatterns yeah I mean I’m old man. If you compare this to an MPC1000 it’s only limited because of the track count. Otherwise it seems like quite a capable little machine. And there’s nothing to stop you resampling into a drum sampler pad on the fly if you really need more shorter sounds happening at once. Not that I’ve read in the manual anyway. Looks good if you don’t look at it as a hobbled mini push.
That it, it just a limited sketch pad, if people want more options there is always the push and Live. This is fun little music sketch pad to jot down ideas on the go.
Two things that are holding me back for this device:
1. Only 4 tracks (although there are workarounds for it)
2. No Warping/ time stretching. Now this is actually a big one for me if that means that you can't just throw in loops and expect them to auto beat sync. As I've always seen this as an essential and insanely fun Ableton workflow for its clip launching in Session View.
I guess thats the point though. It limited so you don't start messing around with all those things. You can always transfer the idea to live or the push 3 and do all them things. But can understanding some people will want them in the box.
@@pushpatterns Time stretching should be absolutely in there though. Jamming by instant clip launching of multiple loops that you just could throw in regardless of tempo has always been THE immediate and fun feature of Ableton Live that made it stand out, which is what the Move is all about.
I understand.
Thing is ultimately the answer would be somewhere between Push and Move. IE a more feature rich Move with slightly more of the things regular Ableton users are likely to want. They can't do that because that would cannibalise their flagship hardware product. I absolutely don't blame for this. I do think, after the initial excitement, many (especially experienced Ableton users, will find it too limiting and look elsewhere for their more portable devices.
Classic product design to optimise profit. Release the premium product (push), then release a bare ones accessible version (the move) then release the in-between for maximum profit from both those who became customers through the push by providing something more portable, but also a more feature rich "move" from your new customer base that came from the move
I think now people are diving in the Move we are seeing that it's not as limited as it first seemed. But the limitations are there on purpose but with good intentions :)
Intro, Standard, Suite
I'd just love something really wild if the onua is on portable Ableton. I think it's great that this will definitely actually as a gateway for people into more in-depth production, and clearly a lot of people love the product, but something like a device that acts as a sketch pad for Max For Live would be amazing. Basically a mad toy with access to Max that allows you to sit somewhere, experiment like crazy with all the mad stuff and sync it all to your main production centre
Sounds wicked! love the idea!
Super excited! I hope you make a full course for it!
That's the plan!
Finally some positivity on the product. I think this product has a lot of potential on new firmware updates that will bring up more positive feedback.
Thanks for the comment! Yeah I’m sold! I thinks a great idea and can’t wait to have a play! Do you have a push3 and use live 12?
@@WasabiNoise yep, they’re going to update it alongside Note so I’m sure there’s plenty more to come.
@@pushpatternsI have the Push 2 and always loved it. Never found a reason to update to the 3. But this device looks cool for chilling and coming up with ideas
If you think a product can be good on the basis of future updates, it is not a good product. For me personally, the fact that it only has 4 tracks and that at the synthesis level it is just a preset playback machine, puts me off. Let's see what Novation has to say if they ever produce a Launchpad Pro MK4...
@@paQ75 it’s good for my use as is. So I’m buying it for that reason. Updates mean they are spending the time to perfect it and meet customer needs. Same with all music gear that can be updated with software. Including ableton Live. If not we would still be on version 1.
I will be very happy to own the Move and the Push 3 Standalone. I haven’t used the Push as much as I was hoping because it’s too heavy to travel, so it’s always at my desk, and I have a million other options at my desk, so I usually use a high quality midi 88 weighted key piano, or drum on my SPD-SX Pro, or use real guitars, bass, cello, etc. If the Push was lighter I would be so much happier. So I’ve been using Note most of the time when I’m not at the desk, so this new Move is perfect.
This is it! The idea of the portability of the Push 3 is great but the reality is a different story. I'm super excited to try it out too! Let me know how you get on if you get one!
@@pushpatterns I don't know if you have yours yet, but this Move is freaking amazing, 10x better than I thought it would be. It has all the most important features of the Push, and it's super portable. I've been jamming on it all day. And it keeps inspiring me to use the Push as well. So maybe I'll jam out on the Move, and when I like something enough, I'll figure out how to transfer it to the Push or Live. I'm very happy with the Move. All the naysayers have no idea how capable this little device is. They're focusing on the shortcomings, not realizing how powerful it is, just like the Note app. But the Move is a much better interface for Note, I really like it.
@@pushpatterns Also, if you haven't seen the Sweetwater demo, you should definitely check it out. They use 3 Pushes and 1 Move to make a cover of Fleetwood Mac "Dreams". Seems like more of a demo of the Push, but it's cool to see 3 Pushes and 1 Move all synced together. With 3 talented musicians and a great performance. Listen on nice studio monitors though, it didn't sound as good on my laptop speakers
@@pushpatterns Also, if you haven't seen the Sweetwater demo, you should definitely check it out. They use 3 Pushes and 1 Move to make a cover of Fleetwood Mac "Dreams". Seems like more of a demo of the Push, but it's cool to see 3 Pushes and 1 Move all synced together. With 3 talented musicians and a great performance. Listen on nice studio monitors though, it didn't sound as good on my laptop speakers
Great, thanks for the heads up! I will check it out
plug this into a mixer use as a 3rd live deck
That would be great!
Finally I can make beats in all those places I never could...
Waiting in line at the Supermarket: Ableton Move!
Riding the bus to work: Ableton Move!
Roofing in the middle of July: Ableton Move!
Mowing the lawn: Ableton Move!
Looking for my shoes underneath the bed: Ableton Move!
Taking a dump at 3:00am because it was burrito night the day before: Ableton Move!
Hiding in my closet because the Loan Sharks are knocking at the door: Ableton Move!
And finally, Roller Coaster ride: Ableton Move! Because why not!
Hahah, Yeah, why not ey?!
I know this is an Ableton product but I'm primarily a logic user...will the ideas created in the move be able to be transferred to other DAWs?
Hey, there isn’t any information out this but I would take a guess and say no. Probably going to be an ableton exclusive thing. It come with ableton intro, so you you could always learn ableton?
Sure you can. You can export the 4 groups individually as audio directly from the device or as a set to Live Intro, even if it's just about to get the midi melody, to use it with your Logic synths or VST.
But since it is based on internal Ableton Live instruments like Wavetable you can't import sets to Logic. So it's more like a traditional Instrument then where you have to commit on the export/recording without being able to change individual synth parameters later.
So it's a limitation but not necessarily a dealbreaker.
You can warp in simpler though :)
The guy demoing it on Sonic State said it had MPE for 'the pressure dimension'.
As i understand it from the press release it has polyphonic aftertouch but not fully MPE they will some dimension to it but not fully MPE if you know what I mean?
@@pushpatterns so it can’t do vertical or horizontal messages, just the pressure messages. Which I guess is really just the same as Poly aftertouch. I’m not sure how you’d implement vertical and horizontal on drum pads, though!
That whats written on their release notes on their website, just poly aftertouch. But i'll have a futher investigation when my unit arrives. I'll let you know.
@@danpreston564look at how the KMI QuNexus does it, they’re pads that feel good but they read pad position too. And that’s on a $220 MPE controller. Linnstrument pads also feel very good. It’s definitely doable. At least it has poly AT.
Yeah I guess if the put MPE in Move, no one would buy the Push 3 lol
Does anyone know if Move can (a) warp and chop samples and (b) whether you can import your own drum racks?
I’m unsure about the warp, but it will function like the note app. And as I understand you can import racks from live. I don’t have the unit yet to double check
@@pushpatterns Appreciate the response my friend, thank you.
Reviewed the entire manual and no mention of warping. Don’t believe it has it.
I guess thats where you would send the project to live and do all the warping from there
I just returned my Circuit Tracks in order to be able to afford this. Very excited.
Haha good man! I’m sure the @ableton gods will be happy with your decision 🤪
Do we have to pay extra duty customs in the UK?
No I don’t think so, well I didn’t
@@pushpatterns yeah, I’ve just checked my invoice. Ableton has a warehouse partner in the UK.
Great! Let me know how you get on with it!
Can I add presets from plugins like splice?
No, it comes with a desktop editor where you adjust the presets I believe. But its only Ableton stock instruments
I guess it depends. If they are dry presets based on Ableton Wavetable, yes, not sure if Splice selling presets for Ableton Wavetable but i know some who do like Audioreakt. Ableton has planned to add an export feature for presets of supported devices like Wavetable to the Move, if the preset comes in rack with many FX and uses devices not part of Move, you will have to change them.
There is a way to export presets now but its pretty long tbh.
are they going out of business? seems like random thrashing about.
I think the opposite!
Will he be able to use this with a cracked ableton? Ie : will he just have to stay away from ableton cloud and transfer his projects some other way? 😅😅
I doubt it
Really???? SMH
🤣
I am downvoting videos about Ableton Move from people that never played it and base their opinion on watching youtube.
Down voting?
I’d rather stick to my ipad and apps like korg gadget
why?
no
Fair enough
No.
Why not? 🤷♂️
@@pushpatternsI've got too much gear. It's not cheap for what it is. I just seems more gear, that one wont use. etc, etc.
I feel your pain! :)