As someone with many part time jobs and a few pockets of time throughout the day, the portability and sketchability of this unit is god send. I reeeaally would have loved a push style screen with more robust sampling and audio warp modes to make this my centerpiece outside the studio. Truly conflicted
Especially since ableton is known to come with improvements and updates months down the line. A year or so later a new push mini comes or updates on features we would appreciate the day of release
@@donnytheflow If this gets an update to have 8 tracks, similar to the Circuit Tracks, it would become the King of the sub-$500 Grooveboxes, in my opinion.
@@Antonio_Ortiz I'm thinking it's just add "page 2" and that is done. Shift + X and you're there. Same multi track export. Both very doable as updates. I'd hit BUY right now if they were available. I may still anyway......I got some bad GAS. 🥴
Wow, having all this power in a slim box really works for me. To me as a non-instrumentalist, Push is too overwhelming. Somehow I can understand what Move does in one go and that makes me really want to make music with it.
@nobodyhome3753 i can honestly say this is the situation for me. Ive found ableton live really overwhelming . The limitations of this device works well for me. And i have taken this out to sit in my backyard with it and on the couch, in bed, etc. Im also a guitarist and have had fun making drum bass and keys loops for me to jam to. Sampling on this is also super intuitive, which i love
@@aliveintech That dude is just here for an argument. I totally get where you're coming from because I was thinking the same thing. You want to record some guitars? Drum Rack is nothing if not a rack of samplers. I can't wait to get playing with this.
After watching this I'm starting to realize that having less clutter and distractions in front of you will be beneficial to just getting in the groove and coming up with ideas. It seems that is what they were after here. "Sketchbook"
True. Since I got Push 3 I hardly use Live or plugins. I just embrace the limitations of that, the lack of all the DAW is liberating. The only thing that I don't like with the Push is the mobility. You can carry it around, but you wouldn't want to carry it all day, or on a bike, on the off chance you get to jam. This solves that for me.
Love the honesty of what this is and what it isnt. Much respect. I like the form factor and portability with the internal battery but since im not an ableton user its probably not for me i wish it had more groovebox functionality and could work better in a live setting. Cool device, too pricey for what it does imo.
I have a Roland MV-1 Verselab and this seems similar. "Sketchpad oriented, portable, standalone, full of useful sounds, allows use of samples, integrates with a DAW. I wonder what Akai's take on this will be as the major manufacturer you would expect this from. We have the SEQTrak, MV-1, Circuit, and now this. Excited for the future.
@@watercolourmark the push 3 is too big to fit on your desktop as a controller; that's way I'm never getting one. this on the other hand is the perfect size.
Watched a ton of vids now on this thing and this was by the far best. Answered almost every question i had. Thanks guys. Pretty much the only thing i'd still like to know is how deep does the controller mode go? Like for example if i load a compressor can i tweak every parameter with the knobs?
Thanks. Depth of the control is a bit mixed. With devices you get eight assigned parameters (so for example, with the compressor you can control threshold, ratio, compressor type, attack, release, knee, output gain and dry/wet). It’s enough to make adjustments to the main elements of most devices, but not exhaustive. The pain appeal in controller mode is probably as a lightweight playing surface with poly aftertouch pads and a step sequencer.
When has anyone ever seen anyone ‘on the go’ producing music on the bus, in the park etc…I swear it’s an upper middle class myth….its a fantasy that incites GAS.
I started urban sketching. And doing art outside gave me the confidence to do music outside. I think more people would do it, but we care what others think of us - and we don't even care for these random people. It is why you see vids of people in the woods making music, they don't like the people watching in the situation but are OK to upload it. We are strange people. But doing art or music outside is a social passport, you have some great encounters.
This is my issue with it as well. Most of the features rely upon the idea that you're going to do what the people in the ads do, and you're just not. It's more like a physical phone app than a cut-down Push. Maybe if they'd at least put the full MPE pads into Push it would be interesting but for this price you could get, say, a Dreadbox Typhon and a Launchkey MK4.
@@chatbury or on the street at night like they're not expecting to get robbed at knifepoint. That said I live in Manchester. Maybe that's ok in Berlin..
Im weird but I do it. I quite often sit on a train for multiple hours on a day and I always pack my laptop + audio interface and Ive made alot of tunes this way.
really interested in the controller part, close to zero interest in the standalone thing, there is no other option for a live controller with this level of integration in this form factor. Shame. I'd probably pay 250 for this as just a controller (if someone would actually make a deep demo of it)
I'm not a Live user but really enjoyed Circuit, just never got too much use out of it (aside from enjoying it in the moment) as solo/record is too painful of a workflow for just quick sketches. Being able to export stems easily (eh, i think?) and get them into Maschine or Samplitude etc for further working on seems right up my alley.
They should have omitted the control wheel and added a touch screen in that area. Betweeen that, external storage support, and more tracks, It would have added much more value against their competition as well as provided more room for expansion such as user-selected macro knobs, slides, gesture support, etc.
I wasn’t convinced but as someone who loves Note as a sketchpad with all of its limitations I’m coming round to the device, the limitations of 4 tracks though is a bit of an issue, but could be a workaround with the ability to play each pad in the drum rack as an instrument
@@officialbestkeptsecret - Good luck, but it is very multi functional and relatively cheap. It will take some time before someone says they don't like it for sketching out ideas, taking it to friends for jam, using it as a controller or 2nd controller for Live, use it with Note, take it on a biz trip or holiday in summer.
@@officialbestkeptsecret Can confirm: bought a Polyend Play Plus day one, sold it a month later $100+ off, used that money to buy an MPC One, very happy with that purchase.
I recently watched a TH-cam video from Woody and he goes over the actual cost of an instrument based on the purchase price, later down the road, the selling price, and how much that instrument really cost during ownership. Although I’m all for saving a little bit money when possible, assuming this device is purchased at retail and is used for only two years, that equals about $.68 a day to own this device not even considering how much on the end one could recover from selling it. But with your statement, be patient and you will be able to save yourself a little bit of money. I only bring this up because watching Woody’s video made me think of things a little bit differently in regards to musical gear. I buy used cars because I don’t wanna take the initial hit of depreciation, but I also know in the end after owning your vehicle for however many years, we are typically not coming out ahead.
Looks very good and very affordable for what you get! A few questions if I may: browsing the manual I didn’t find any randomization / aleatoric features besides random preset preloads and arps. Also, I didn’t find parameter locks (or similar). Am I correct to assume these festures are not (yet?) implememted? Thanks a lot!
I really like this, as I use Ableton quite a bit. But it very much seems like a more limited Novation Circuit Tracks to me at this point. It's a bit smaller, sure, but also a bit more limited. With the Circuit Tracks we can also download packs and such that are basically new presets for the synth engine. Will we be able to do something similar with the Move?
@@cleanboy2k are you aware about the very simple and essential fact that people are going to use this "standalone" device on stage as well, or with headphones?
@@envo I do...I am not sure what you mean by that or how it is relevant haha....or maybe I just dont understand your initial post? You dont need anything plugged in but it has ports so you can plug headphones in if you want?
The record source automatically switches between built in mic or line input when the plug is inserted (or not). So maybe that is the reason we see it not fully inserted.
I think thi sis pretty cool, but I'm surprised by the lack of sample slicing... from another video it seems there's a workaround where you could sample something and resample it in chunks to other pad, but that might be clunky and there's no way to edit the slice points. I hope that's something they add in the future.
That’s correct, you could resample in chunks, or load the same loop across multiple pads and manually adjust the start/end points. As you say, hopefully some kind of automated ‘slice to drum rack’ feature might be added in a future update
Cant beat the Koala Sampler. Daughter 11 and I went with Koala Sampler and two Android tablets, but have it on our phones too. I mean to be able to sample on the go, while we travel and stuff and compete with each just cant be beat.
It’s frustrating cause they could’ve made a fully integrated controller for Ableton note. But instead they made hardware that’s way less powerful than Ableton note.
Of course... but you need to set it up there are quite a few steps. And then you are sitting in front of a universe of posibilitys. Also sampling ypu ideas in your phone has a lot of steps between your actual idea and importing it to an ableton project. With that device you can actualy push two buttons, whistle into the mic, play the drums instantly(!) to it and you have ypu idea sketched out. So with my poor cpu on my laptop I would argue that I could start making an actual track in the time my laptop starts ableton. I realy think its a product where people should keep in mind for what its made, not for what they want it to be.
With the Push standalone being just a Tank to carry, can you transfer projects from the Move to the Push? Or would you need a computer? I am trying to justify having one of these things. ;0) Its a crying shame Ableton haven't implemented an 'audio capture' mode on a 20 minute loop, that one feature would make this a must-have. Every musician would find a use for that feature.
Honestly looks like a great controller if you don't want to dish out the cash for a Push. Also nice that it's battery powered and has an onboard mic for recording samples. Everything else is meh. I'd consider it but there's no point when you can get a much more robust sampler like the P-6 for $200
wish it was more focused on M4L integration & all the generative midi stuff. feels to me like a lowest common denominator kinda device. want to make "beats" while you wait for your chai latte? we got you covered. alas, I'm in the minority I reckon. no biggie, just not the target audience. nice review guys :)
You're not in the minority. There are people who really like the idea of making music on the go, but I don't think they are a majority and they are overrepresented among content creators.
I was thinking this would be a killer device if it has M4L, as it could be anything. Obviously M4L would need to be custom but it would be great. Sadly it is Arm based so I guess it will never happen. But they have RNBO.
@@TheChameleon2008 For anyone (including me) who likes to capture music ideas in different locations and later finish them in Ableton.. Right now I just use apps but a portable hardware device will be so much better.
@@watercolourmark Well, it seemed like it, as it said it would work when it is hooked up to a computer. I was just double checking. It was a lot about editing functions and ways to create which I am less interested in. I just need a simple device to trigger scenes.
I’ve owned all of those (MC,SP, Circuit 1 and Tracks) - For melodic sequence building and playing it looks a lot more powerful than the MC-101. Compared to the tracks, it’s missing the MIDI, but gains quite a bit of sampling, which although not as powerful as the SP-404mk2, occupies a happy middle ground, for a hundred or so less than the SP and MC, and about $50 more than the circuit.
@@burtcocain1986 well... most of my other synthesizer do not support usb over midi.... what's the big idea was leaving regular 3.5 jack out of the equation? I don't get it
Yeah you can sample but do nothing with it, so easy to implement, auto chop grid, set start end for each chop, play any chop in scale with time stretch… sounds like these guys have no idea about producing. Just get koala sampler on your phone or iPad and you can go miles beyond this Move thing for 10 bucks. And if you really need pads get a launchpad mini. Anyway this thing have no MPE pads
but u can play any of drum samples in chromatic so it makes like 16 sounds simpler? also while sampling (so i believe in resampling) u can make chops by hand so its also possible to slice but in different way. dont know about timestretching exactly, but i remember guy from Tmobile beats mentioned timestretching as option.
Not having midi means you can’t have it in a dawless setup… they could have had 4 instrument tracks and 4 midi tracks by pressing shift… maybe the mk2 will have these features ?! Novation circuits has midi for cheaper ! Seems like they made this device thinking about push 3 owners who don’t want to take it out of the studio…
The USB-A output will send MIDI to anything that can receive MIDI over USB, so in theory yes, but we haven't tested this with an Electron device specifically yet
404 runs laps around this one... even the p6 not even worth it now that you have great apps on mobile device that you can pair with the 404 makes it a all round beast
Right? I would rather just buy another OP-1 Field or an iPhone with GarageBand on it. Both are better looking and have even more capabilities than this.
That’s still a lot I was hoping for 299 at best your talking close to 500 , you can get a used digitakt for that , too bad they didn’t put a SD card to load your own sounds maybe Move 2
Whynny review and not covering basics just random confusing ad hoc this if that…. 👎🏻 tired of whining reviewers too many of them they dint focus on use case the device is to serve.
As usual with your videos, the lack of chapters and the constant shots of your faces - rather than the gear - is super frustrating. You're not the focus here lads!
Its standalone capabilities are definitely the main selling point. It's handy as a controller, but if you only want to control Live, you can get more for your money elsewhere
@@MusicRadarTech One advantage of this over any other controller seems to be the mix of pads and encoders. Launchpads don't have any and the faders on the APC64 seem to get a mixed reaction. I imagine the sequencer on the Launchpad is a bit more intuitive maybe though? The more I read the manual though, seems like it can do quite a bit. For example "Hold the Delete button and tap an encoder to delete the automation for the corresponding parameter." That's pretty nifty, especially since this is v1.
Yes I'm yearning for a small desktop controller with encoders and a few pads, and a nice interface with a screen. Novation has something with their keylaunch mk4 but sadly it comes with a keyboard attached (a shitty keyboard I might add for the smqller version)
Another device to keep musicians stuck in 1/2/4 bar loops. What about an arranger option in standalone hardware to map out songs?? If you have a Push 3, this is a pass. IMO this is aimed at a new generation of young kids, Especially trying to convert FL studio users to the Ableton platform in general. Move is like a clone of Roland’s Verselab, but with better sampling but more limited sound/preset options. Elektron’s workflow is the bench mark. Although more expensive, a Digitakt MK1 or MK2 paired with either a Syntakt or Digitone is the ultimate workflow for either pattern (session view) or linear view (Song mode) composing. The Move workflow can easily be created as a template on Ableton Live and ported over to Push 3 for those who already have a Push3, if users want to work on a limited yet creative workflow of 4 tracks and limited effects if they want to.
When we will see a company create a normal product? All companies throw a product that has 5 things and misses 10 more. The current industry state for grooveboxes and samplers is like a joke from god itself. The one machine has portability but doesnt have screen. The other has screen but its small. You get a notmal screen but limited sample size. I think that the only company that goes a little bit better is Akai.
@@watercolourmark its a sketch pad not an all in one, you will have to get on a computer to finish whatever you started on here. You could finish your song on the ipad.
@@TonySmith79 - You could do that. What can I do on an iPad that I can't on Move? You can resample and layer. You may not want to, you could also build a master effects chain on the audio output while going into a recorder. Or, into a mixer - play out single tracks or play those tracks live. Endless ways without using a computer. In the same way someone could make an album with just an OP-1.
As someone with many part time jobs and a few pockets of time throughout the day, the portability and sketchability of this unit is god send. I reeeaally would have loved a push style screen with more robust sampling and audio warp modes to make this my centerpiece outside the studio. Truly conflicted
Especially since ableton is known to come with improvements and updates months down the line. A year or so later a new push mini comes or updates on features we would appreciate the day of release
@@donnytheflow If this gets an update to have 8 tracks, similar to the Circuit Tracks, it would become the King of the sub-$500 Grooveboxes, in my opinion.
@@Antonio_Ortiz I'm thinking it's just add "page 2" and that is done. Shift + X and you're there. Same multi track export. Both very doable as updates. I'd hit BUY right now if they were available. I may still anyway......I got some bad GAS. 🥴
Wow, having all this power in a slim box really works for me. To me as a non-instrumentalist, Push is too overwhelming. Somehow I can understand what Move does in one go and that makes me really want to make music with it.
Great for making your own personal soundtrack to a posh vacation
These plant comments are getting pathetic
@@nobodyhome3753 ???
@nobodyhome3753 i can honestly say this is the situation for me. Ive found ableton live really overwhelming . The limitations of this device works well for me. And i have taken this out to sit in my backyard with it and on the couch, in bed, etc.
Im also a guitarist and have had fun making drum bass and keys loops for me to jam to.
Sampling on this is also super intuitive, which i love
I keep seeing a cassette portastudio 4 track from 1989 updated for 2025 -> in a good way though, instant workflow
You could record instruments on portastudio. OP-1 is more portastudio. This is not.
@@gepardek you can record audio though via mic or 3.5mm, more sampler like workflow admittedly
@@aliveintech Making little samples in drum racks doesn't make it a portastudio
@@gepardek I'm referring to the ethos of the whole thing rather than it literally being a porta-studio :)
@@aliveintech That dude is just here for an argument. I totally get where you're coming from because I was thinking the same thing. You want to record some guitars? Drum Rack is nothing if not a rack of samplers. I can't wait to get playing with this.
This makes absolute sense for how I work and is a prayer answered from the gear gods.
As much as I appreciate this guy's honesty, he really isn't helping sell the Move hahah
After watching this I'm starting to realize that having less clutter and distractions in front of you will be beneficial to just getting in the groove and coming up with ideas. It seems that is what they were after here. "Sketchbook"
True. Since I got Push 3 I hardly use Live or plugins. I just embrace the limitations of that, the lack of all the DAW is liberating. The only thing that I don't like with the Push is the mobility. You can carry it around, but you wouldn't want to carry it all day, or on a bike, on the off chance you get to jam. This solves that for me.
Your comment makes me think they should have gone with Ableton Book and embrace the marketing shenanigans of notebook for all your sketches
Love the honesty of what this is and what it isnt. Much respect. I like the form factor and portability with the internal battery but since im not an ableton user its probably not for me i wish it had more groovebox functionality and could work better in a live setting.
Cool device, too pricey for what it does imo.
Its a Novation circuit, from Berlin
more like half a circuit
@@mathiasrain674 Naah .
with jog wheel😅
too bad Ableton didnt embrace limitation when they priced this
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All these ppl complaining about price... Meanwhile things like an Akai Remix 16 are on Reverb for more...
I have a Roland MV-1 Verselab and this seems similar. "Sketchpad oriented, portable, standalone, full of useful sounds, allows use of samples, integrates with a DAW. I wonder what Akai's take on this will be as the major manufacturer you would expect this from. We have the SEQTrak, MV-1, Circuit, and now this. Excited for the future.
this with the push screen and ability to use Mute / sol / arm / select with the pads would have been game changer for me.
My thoughts as well
They already do that product, it's called a Push 3.
@@watercolourmark the push 3 is too big to fit on your desktop as a controller; that's way I'm never getting one. this on the other hand is the perfect size.
Great review = ideal depth
Props for the Gizz shirt!
Thanks for clever questions!
Watched a ton of vids now on this thing and this was by the far best. Answered almost every question i had. Thanks guys. Pretty much the only thing i'd still like to know is how deep does the controller mode go? Like for example if i load a compressor can i tweak every parameter with the knobs?
Thanks. Depth of the control is a bit mixed. With devices you get eight assigned parameters (so for example, with the compressor you can control threshold, ratio, compressor type, attack, release, knee, output gain and dry/wet). It’s enough to make adjustments to the main elements of most devices, but not exhaustive. The pain appeal in controller mode is probably as a lightweight playing surface with poly aftertouch pads and a step sequencer.
When has anyone ever seen anyone ‘on the go’ producing music on the bus, in the park etc…I swear it’s an upper middle class myth….its a fantasy that incites GAS.
nobody making music outside unless its for a youtube video but its handy to pack all your gear into 1 bag and move it over to a friends house.
I started urban sketching. And doing art outside gave me the confidence to do music outside. I think more people would do it, but we care what others think of us - and we don't even care for these random people. It is why you see vids of people in the woods making music, they don't like the people watching in the situation but are OK to upload it. We are strange people. But doing art or music outside is a social passport, you have some great encounters.
This is my issue with it as well. Most of the features rely upon the idea that you're going to do what the people in the ads do, and you're just not. It's more like a physical phone app than a cut-down Push. Maybe if they'd at least put the full MPE pads into Push it would be interesting but for this price you could get, say, a Dreadbox Typhon and a Launchkey MK4.
@@chatbury or on the street at night like they're not expecting to get robbed at knifepoint. That said I live in Manchester. Maybe that's ok in Berlin..
Im weird but I do it. I quite often sit on a train for multiple hours on a day and I always pack my laptop + audio interface and Ive made alot of tunes this way.
really interested in the controller part, close to zero interest in the standalone thing, there is no other option for a live controller with this level of integration in this form factor. Shame. I'd probably pay 250 for this as just a controller (if someone would actually make a deep demo of it)
I'm not a Live user but really enjoyed Circuit, just never got too much use out of it (aside from enjoying it in the moment) as solo/record is too painful of a workflow for just quick sketches. Being able to export stems easily (eh, i think?) and get them into Maschine or Samplitude etc for further working on seems right up my alley.
They should have omitted the control wheel and added a touch screen in that area. Betweeen that, external storage support, and more tracks, It would have added much more value against their competition as well as provided more room for expansion such as user-selected macro knobs, slides, gesture support, etc.
I wasn’t convinced but as someone who loves Note as a sketchpad with all of its limitations I’m coming round to the device, the limitations of 4 tracks though is a bit of an issue, but could be a workaround with the ability to play each pad in the drum rack as an instrument
I’ll buy from reverb at a discount once the new tech luster wears off
You could be jamming out for 6 months rather than save $50. Bad economics.
@@watercolourmark nah, someone WILL buy it, hate it, and sell a perfectly mint unit for 100-125 less. Reasonably priced but I’m cheap lol
@@officialbestkeptsecret - Good luck, but it is very multi functional and relatively cheap. It will take some time before someone says they don't like it for sketching out ideas, taking it to friends for jam, using it as a controller or 2nd controller for Live, use it with Note, take it on a biz trip or holiday in summer.
@@officialbestkeptsecret Can confirm: bought a Polyend Play Plus day one, sold it a month later $100+ off, used that money to buy an MPC One, very happy with that purchase.
I recently watched a TH-cam video from Woody and he goes over the actual cost of an instrument based on the purchase price, later down the road, the selling price, and how much that instrument really cost during ownership. Although I’m all for saving a little bit money when possible, assuming this device is purchased at retail and is used for only two years, that equals about $.68 a day to own this device not even considering how much on the end one could recover from selling it. But with your statement, be patient and you will be able to save yourself a little bit of money. I only bring this up because watching Woody’s video made me think of things a little bit differently in regards to musical gear. I buy used cars because I don’t wanna take the initial hit of depreciation, but I also know in the end after owning your vehicle for however many years, we are typically not coming out ahead.
Using Move to control Live, will you be able to browse the sounds in Live? Audio effects? 3rd party plugins? If not, can you control them?
Appreciate the honest review
Looks very good and very affordable for what you get! A few questions if I may: browsing the manual I didn’t find any randomization / aleatoric features besides random preset preloads and arps. Also, I didn’t find parameter locks (or similar). Am I correct to assume these festures are not (yet?) implememted? Thanks a lot!
What is the frequency response of the mic? Is it only for low-fi sampling?
It has an audio input also. So what's the freq response of your mics, that is the question.
I really like this, as I use Ableton quite a bit. But it very much seems like a more limited Novation Circuit Tracks to me at this point. It's a bit smaller, sure, but also a bit more limited. With the Circuit Tracks we can also download packs and such that are basically new presets for the synth engine. Will we be able to do something similar with the Move?
you can just transfer ideas trough usb to the computer or you must use the cloud for that ?
Will there be a function in controlling Live to control other than the first 4 tracks?
That’s cool you can send the midi and audio into Live correct?
It's not the first video where i see that the jack isn't full plugged to the device or i'm seeing it wrong.
It's a standalone device. It doesnt need anything plugged in...
@@cleanboy2k are you aware about the very simple and essential fact that people are going to use this "standalone" device on stage as well, or with headphones?
@@envo I do...I am not sure what you mean by that or how it is relevant haha....or maybe I just dont understand your initial post? You dont need anything plugged in but it has ports so you can plug headphones in if you want?
The record source automatically switches between built in mic or line input when the plug is inserted (or not). So maybe that is the reason we see it not fully inserted.
I think thi sis pretty cool, but I'm surprised by the lack of sample slicing... from another video it seems there's a workaround where you could sample something and resample it in chunks to other pad, but that might be clunky and there's no way to edit the slice points. I hope that's something they add in the future.
That’s correct, you could resample in chunks, or load the same loop across multiple pads and manually adjust the start/end points. As you say, hopefully some kind of automated ‘slice to drum rack’ feature might be added in a future update
Cant beat the Koala Sampler. Daughter 11 and I went with Koala Sampler and two Android tablets, but have it on our phones too. I mean to be able to sample on the go, while we travel and stuff and compete with each just cant be beat.
i bought SP404mk2 to have Koala sampler controller/audio interface but Move looks like better combo for it
@@bonwowo better in what? i mean.. it can load 6 samples vs 16x10
It’s frustrating cause they could’ve made a fully integrated controller for Ableton note. But instead they made hardware that’s way less powerful than Ableton note.
Theres another thing that is quite a nice size and you can take it anywhere and open it up and make music, its called a laptop
Of course... but you need to set it up there are quite a few steps. And then you are sitting in front of a universe of posibilitys. Also sampling ypu ideas in your phone has a lot of steps between your actual idea and importing it to an ableton project. With that device you can actualy push two buttons, whistle into the mic, play the drums instantly(!) to it and you have ypu idea sketched out.
So with my poor cpu on my laptop I would argue that I could start making an actual track in the time my laptop starts ableton. I realy think its a product where people should keep in mind for what its made, not for what they want it to be.
With the Push standalone being just a Tank to carry, can you transfer projects from the Move to the Push? Or would you need a computer? I am trying to justify having one of these things. ;0) Its a crying shame Ableton haven't implemented an 'audio capture' mode on a 20 minute loop, that one feature would make this a must-have. Every musician would find a use for that feature.
Can you Pan L-R each sound you sample with Move ?
Honestly looks like a great controller if you don't want to dish out the cash for a Push. Also nice that it's battery powered and has an onboard mic for recording samples. Everything else is meh. I'd consider it but there's no point when you can get a much more robust sampler like the P-6 for $200
Is switching to different sets seamless?
wish it was more focused on M4L integration & all the generative midi stuff. feels to me like a lowest common denominator kinda device. want to make "beats" while you wait for your chai latte? we got you covered. alas, I'm in the minority I reckon. no biggie, just not the target audience. nice review guys :)
You're not in the minority. There are people who really like the idea of making music on the go, but I don't think they are a majority and they are overrepresented among content creators.
it would be great to have possibility to add max4live devices:) but im worried its rather not in plans for Move
I was thinking this would be a killer device if it has M4L, as it could be anything. Obviously M4L would need to be custom but it would be great. Sadly it is Arm based so I guess it will never happen. But they have RNBO.
I love it!
can u live loop from the audio input on the back?
No. I wish
why is the screen so small??!!
The portability and enough features to create standalone and also control Live make it an ideal device.
for who tho
@@TheChameleon2008 For anyone (including me) who likes to capture music ideas in different locations and later finish them in Ableton.. Right now I just use apps but a portable hardware device will be so much better.
very simple sampling + preset player as I understood. same functionality on iphone with the app. no thanks
£399 is just under £500 apparently ? 😂
I wonder if you can hook it up to Live and trigger scenes as in a live application..
Yes you can
We'll watch the video for you, yes.
@@watercolourmark Well, it seemed like it, as it said it would work when it is hooked up to a computer. I was just double checking. It was a lot about editing functions and ways to create which I am less interested in. I just need a simple device to trigger scenes.
@@norenttv_ Thank you.
They could have just added the sequencer in Note
I’m struggling to see how this is a competitive product, stacked against things like Novation Circuit or Roland MC-101.
Or a Roland SP-404MKII, or a MV-1.
same here.... also no proper midi out
I’ve owned all of those (MC,SP, Circuit 1 and Tracks) - For melodic sequence building and playing it looks a lot more powerful than the MC-101. Compared to the tracks, it’s missing the MIDI, but gains quite a bit of sampling, which although not as powerful as the SP-404mk2, occupies a happy middle ground, for a hundred or so less than the SP and MC, and about $50 more than the circuit.
@@djkanyon I mean, the USB Midi will work though, won't it? What's the big limitation of Midi over USB-A?
@@burtcocain1986 well... most of my other synthesizer do not support usb over midi.... what's the big idea was leaving regular 3.5 jack out of the equation? I don't get it
Why would they not add the simpler device 🤦🏾♂️ time stretching and chopping?
Yeah you can sample but do nothing with it, so easy to implement, auto chop grid, set start end for each chop, play any chop in scale with time stretch… sounds like these guys have no idea about producing. Just get koala sampler on your phone or iPad and you can go miles beyond this Move thing for 10 bucks. And if you really need pads get a launchpad mini. Anyway this thing have no MPE pads
No time stretch?
Because it would canibalise Push 3. Simple.
@@gepardek no it won’t just add simpler device..
but u can play any of drum samples in chromatic so it makes like 16 sounds simpler? also while sampling (so i believe in resampling) u can make chops by hand so its also possible to slice but in different way. dont know about timestretching exactly, but i remember guy from Tmobile beats mentioned timestretching as option.
KingGizz!
AUDIO TRACKS - can I record them? for vocals etc. Does it have a preamp on the audio in? (it's less portable if it requires another preamp box)
No audio tracks
no audio tracks but seems like sample memory limited to 64gb so u could record loops and put them in drum track.
Not having midi means you can’t have it in a dawless setup… they could have had 4 instrument tracks and 4 midi tracks by pressing shift… maybe the mk2 will have these features ?! Novation circuits has midi for cheaper ! Seems like they made this device thinking about push 3 owners who don’t want to take it out of the studio…
yea, at first it seems like a nice device till you dive deeper
It wasn't designed for sequencing synths.
Quick question guys - can’t find it on the specs. When plugged into a laptop as a controller for live does it function as an audio interface?
It does, yes. It's worth noting though that there's only one 3.5mm audio output, so it's not ideal for hooking up to monitors, etc.
@@MusicRadarTech hey thanks. Thats all I need 👍🏻
@@MusicRadarTech you could use an audio splitter cable
@@fxdaly An audio splitter from a 3.5mm to drive monitors? No.
can midi be work with elektron digitakt or octatrack?
Yes it can control other midi hardware
The USB-A output will send MIDI to anything that can receive MIDI over USB, so in theory yes, but we haven't tested this with an Electron device specifically yet
Lets talk about what it isnt 😂😂 well to be fair it isnt much 😢
is the whole soundengine based on samples or is there also real synthesis in it, like i can manipulate in ableton live ?
The synth sounds come from Live’s Drift and Wavetable synths. When you open a Move project in Live you get full access to the synths themselves
@@MusicRadarTech ok so the move itself does not offer manipulating the synthesis.
@@eta-fc1dx- You have 8 preset knobs to tinker the preset, and inputting presets from Live is an update away.
@@watercolourmark ya sure, the question was for me if there is synthesis in it like in live so...
@@eta-fc1dx - It can be done, just not implemented, maybe in an update
I hope this has 808 and 909 samples.
If not, you can load your own samples
Such a miss. What were they thinking?! 😬
Like for King Gizzard
404 is miles better.
so you are just supposed to remember what all 8 encoders do? seems like a missed op to include some kinda mini info screen above/below
If you touch any of the encoders the screen changes to display the relevant parameter info, so it's easy to keep track of
Oh so they're touch sensitive? Good to know
£100 too expensive
In the running for a straight to Bad Gear release.
Think I'll stick with my 404 Mk2
404 runs laps around this one... even the p6 not even worth it now that you have great apps on mobile device that you can pair with the 404 makes it a all round beast
What synth engines do you get on the 404
Word, Bill.... this is not even discussable, next to any Roland SP!
Wow, sadly this is a let down.
Right? I would rather just buy another OP-1 Field or an iPhone with GarageBand on it. Both are better looking and have even more capabilities than this.
But… are they as fast at grooving?
@@robertjamesonmusic- If you are spending that sort of money you could get a Push 3, and wouldn't need to pretend.
Great another OP-1 thingy....
I was hoping for moving faders...
It's more Roland MC-101 territory imho. OP-1 thingy can record stems at last and loop audio.
I pity your Secret Santa.
No standard midi i/o and no midi sync no thanks. Also desperately needs threshold record start.
for the low price of 799.99🤣
Oh wow, is that what thing goes for!? I was thinking like 200 bucks. Oh I see 449 US dollars.
That’s still a lot I was hoping for 299 at best your talking close to 500 , you can get a used digitakt for that , too bad they didn’t put a SD card to load your own sounds maybe Move 2
@@georgerivera7193- It has WiFi and a 64gb harddrive - you just can't please everyone with limited features.
Whynny review and not covering basics just random confusing ad hoc this if that…. 👎🏻 tired of whining reviewers too many of them they dint focus on use case the device is to serve.
As usual with your videos, the lack of chapters and the constant shots of your faces - rather than the gear - is super frustrating. You're not the focus here lads!
looks like any generic midi controller these days
Its standalone capabilities are definitely the main selling point. It's handy as a controller, but if you only want to control Live, you can get more for your money elsewhere
@@MusicRadarTech One advantage of this over any other controller seems to be the mix of pads and encoders. Launchpads don't have any and the faders on the APC64 seem to get a mixed reaction. I imagine the sequencer on the Launchpad is a bit more intuitive maybe though? The more I read the manual though, seems like it can do quite a bit. For example "Hold the Delete button and tap an encoder to delete the automation for the corresponding parameter." That's pretty nifty, especially since this is v1.
Not in this form factor you can't
Yes I'm yearning for a small desktop controller with encoders and a few pads, and a nice interface with a screen. Novation has something with their keylaunch mk4 but sadly it comes with a keyboard attached (a shitty keyboard I might add for the smqller version)
This is a bust… 4 tracks limit? No sample slicing? Tiny screen?
Who asked for this???
They already released what you are asking for. It's called Push (3)
Are you too poor for the Push 3?
@@YoDaddyObama Push 3 is too big to be portable.
@@billB101 Then make beats on your phone?
@@YoDaddyObama I have a 404 mk2 thanks.
Another device to keep musicians stuck in 1/2/4 bar loops.
What about an arranger option in standalone hardware to map out songs??
If you have a Push 3, this is a pass. IMO this is aimed at a new generation of young kids, Especially trying to convert FL studio users to the Ableton platform in general.
Move is like a clone of Roland’s Verselab, but with better sampling but more limited sound/preset options.
Elektron’s workflow is the bench mark. Although more expensive, a Digitakt MK1 or MK2 paired with either a Syntakt or Digitone is the ultimate workflow for either pattern (session view) or linear view (Song mode) composing.
The Move workflow can easily be created as a template on Ableton Live and ported over to Push 3 for those who already have a Push3, if users want to work on a limited yet creative workflow of 4 tracks and limited effects if they want to.
It’s definitely more desk friendly than push.
4 tracks only it's a ripoff
That tiny screen is an abomination. This POS just convinced me to buy a Push 3
Maybe that is their move (no pun intended). Be underwhelmed to buy Push 3
@@gepardek Ha! Maybe
You can literally have mine. Replacing it with the move. Push 3 is not ergonomic and doesn’t fit well on a desk.
Nope
When we will see a company create a normal product? All companies throw a product that has 5 things and misses 10 more. The current industry state for grooveboxes and samplers is like a joke from god itself. The one machine has portability but doesnt have screen. The other has screen but its small. You get a notmal screen but limited sample size. I think that the only company that goes a little bit better is Akai.
Total cod
Overpriced Ableton. Not suprised. Get an ipad mini and drambo. Costs less than this lol.
...for that making music on a coffee table feel. It's an expressive tactile instrument and not a computer.
@@watercolourmark its a sketch pad not an all in one, you will have to get on a computer to finish whatever you started on here. You could finish your song on the ipad.
@@TonySmith79 - You could do that. What can I do on an iPad that I can't on Move? You can resample and layer. You may not want to, you could also build a master effects chain on the audio output while going into a recorder. Or, into a mixer - play out single tracks or play those tracks live. Endless ways without using a computer. In the same way someone could make an album with just an OP-1.
lame.
No probability no go for me
No probability in more ways than one for you
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can you use ready Audio loops and load them into Move? if yes, how you can do that?
4 tracks only it's a ripoff