Great stuff as always. You seem to consistently be where I am with certain pieces of gear... answering my questions as I think of them with great content like this. Thanks brother. Hope to catch up soon.
@@RickyTinez Yoo! Thanks for stopping by bro! It’s definitely a huge plus to not have to go through the hassle of “translating” your audio files into Ableton🤘🏻 I’m loving that my DAWless jams are already setup and ready to go if I need to “finish” them up🤘🏻
Using Simpler with Push (Push 2 for me, at the moment anyway) has been a revelation. Simpler on Push is like a really great hardware sampler with a super clear interface. I like to record instruments as audio and then chop and mangle samples. It's annoying that it's not possible to sample directly into Simpler but the workaround (record audio track, convert to Simpler, delete audio track, work on track with Simpler in it) is fast and simple. Doing this directly on Push is a real pleasure. The fact that Simpler also has the same filters built in that are used in other Live devices like Auto Filter is a bonus, I've found I can totally reshape a sound without using any other devices.
Push 3 rocks, single greatest inspirational gear , I have ever bought. All what you said, plus when you add the MPE it is insanely creative. I am using it in controller mode. I just hit ctrl+shft+eject and my mac screen shuts off and I am in standalone heaven with an extra 1000 in my pocket :)
@@inspector-tech on a Mac if you hold down ctrl+shft+eject it will turn off the screen of the Mac, but the computer is still communicating with the push. So it feels like the computer is off, because the screen is off. It’s a way to keep you from looking at the computer and you can do everything on the push. Hope that makes sense?
@@AlecKinch Aha! ok thanks for that. Unfortunately I don't have an Eject key on my M1 Macbook Pro so no wonder I never noticed this! 😅 Anyway, I have the controller version too along with a big-ass monitor connected to my Mac 😊... I do like the approach of just using the controller and ignoring the screen but there are some things you can't do on the controller and need to look at the software, unfortunately. (both on standalone & controller versions). I'll upload a video about this shortly.... 👍
@@inspector-tech Yeah, its more of a "mood" thing for me, or mind/ear trick. Also , as I was curious myself, I looked it up. On a MacBook apparently you can do the same thing. Try the key command (CTRL+SHFT+ on/off button) If it works, try a test , listen to your mix while looking at the screen, then turn off your screen and listen. People might be surprised!
I have a different take on it so far and I hope to share it on the channel soon: between the Push and the MPC workflow, I feel much faster on the MPC. This is before the 3.0 update but I don't see that making the experience any worse - quite the opposite. I feel the Push is getting in my way to some degree, like a slower way of working in Ableton compared to just opening up the laptop. The MPC feels like the opposite in that the hardware workflow is primary and the software daw behind it is secondary. This doesn't mean that the Push 3 doesn't do a lot of things right of course. I love the pads, the build, the sounds and effects. But personally I feel like I'm better off just using Ableton Live and a simpler controller for when recording in notes. For audio recording, the pads aren't needed in the first place. Just my two cents though, appreciate your take on it!
Although I've only had a Push 2 so far, I have the same experience on my MPC: I feel that I can sketch out beats a lot faster than I ever would in a standalone Push experience. Trying to get an existing DAW working in a standalone workflow apparently doesn't work as well as going the other way around: making an existing standalone workflow more DAW-like over time.
I've been a deluge user for years now. But recently have really felt the allure of the Push 3 for many of the reasons you just listed. I need to find someone who has one so I can just borrow it!
Thanks such a great review! Have recently sold most of my gear for a modular system, small drum machine, two effects pedals and an audio interface. I'm constantly jamming and many of those jams are captured in Logic. But I rarely go back into Logic to elaborate those ideas into songs/arrangements. Was considering a Push 3 some time ago (I'd be happy with the controller, can always upgrade later) but had to take another step first (sell all the old gear). Now I have no issues jamming on my current setup that's so enjoyable but the next step of further elaboration is a bit blocked. What you have established is a viable path of least resistant option. Going to watch this video again! Thank you! Agree with you on Midi .... I'm happy with a live audio take.
@@HeavyBeats24 haha in a big way I agree! I still much prefer HW over any daw especially for getting musical ideas started but gadget is the only DAW that I can and have used extensively to get musical ideas or even full songs going! I’ve decided to start with the move. Try for 28 days and literally make a song every day and then decide how fun it is and whether I want to keep it OR return and just go for the push 3 (standalone). Stay tuned for that series!
@@Khordmaster sounds like a plan. I’ll try one out too. Why not :) I hear you. Sitting at a computer just isn’t as fun as it once was. Look forward to your take 👊
Yooo!! Dude you are gonna flip! The vocoder might become my favorite thing on push for live performing! Definitely check it out! Thanks for watching bro!
I appreciate your take on midi and the value of just recording the audio and working with it. I also feel like something is lost in the feel especially when playing an analog synth like the pro-3!
1:20 it's got some sence. We get so used to electronic music, sequenced, quantized. And perfectly engineered studio albums. But music is alive. 2:53 A tope nene ! Creatividad es libertad mental, y lo que nos inspira en la vida, cierto ?
Turn off quantize when recording to keep a little off timing in melodies and drums. I have the push 3 as well and it is for sure so much fun. It's an incredible sampler and I love the chopping while sampling feature. I didn't go with the standalone. I have a huge library of Native instruments content.
Great video! Would love to hear more about the ADAT in/out. Struggling with the same issues. For example, are you using Push for your interface, or do you switch to another Interface when you are working out of your DAW? Does the in/out solution work just the same when you are not in Standalone? I have a Gen 2 Focusrite 18I8 which has adat In but not out. Could I take my Scarlett out of the mix if I moved to your AudioFuse solution and just use the Push 3 as my interface?
Yo!! Thanks for watching! Let me try to answer as best I can Yes, the Audiofuse 8x in/out with ADAT works perfectly in standalone yes, I’m currently using Push3 + ADAT as my audio interface without anything else The only caveat here is that with that setup you have no phantom power, so if you have say a condenser mic that needs phantom power, you probably won’t be able to use it. I’m using a dynamic mic and it’s working great🤘🏻 Really happy with the setup overall❤️
Really like this and will definitely try a push 3. I'm not interested in going dawless though. What matters to me is the directness of musical creation to the daw, arrangement and the ease of flow back and forth.
I also have a bit of a hot take; I don't love samples. Don't get me wrong! They certainly have their place and are a useful tool, and I probably use them in at least one track every 2-3 songs I've made. But that doesn't mean I really enjoy them 😁 Great video as usual, great to see how the Push can be used / is used in your workflow!
would love to see a video showing more of what you're doing with autoshift... other videos on youtube don't really show how it applies to live performing or sketching
One of the reasons I'm staying with my Push 2 for now is that the workflow of the Push 3 in standalone doesn't seem to be particularly quick. Whereas with my MPC Live 2: it follows a reverse philosophy compared to Ableton of starting with standalone device workflow and then making it more DAW-like over time, especially with the upcoming MPC 3 update. As a result I can pump out beat sketches in standalone pretty fast on an MPC, probably a lot faster than on a Push 3 standalone. And I can still directly export it to Ableton format. But then again, I don't use a lot of additional hardware that I need to hook up. So if you use your Push 3 to be a hub for all that hardware then I can definitely get your choice. And for sure I'm looking forward to all the improvements they will make on it as atm, Push 3 standalone is pretty much a Gen 1 product that could use a lot more cooking.
Yoo!! Thanks for being here brother and loved the comment❤️ It’s really cool to learn other people’s workflow cause you always find something new and get inspired or excited. Thanks for sharing, lots of love!
I am a musician. I write and play Techno live using hardware. I record what I play and release that, so I don't sit and produce music on a computer. However, looking at Ableton Push 3 in standalone has me interested...Thanks for your information.
Great stuff presented even greater! Thanx! I have a Maschine+ that I wonder if can be used somewhat similarly as the Push. Could you make a comparison video? Anyway - I struggled with my DAW setup for years before realizing that my flow is live, not DAW. So now I have a DAW-less setup with a Onyx mixer being able to record to SD card at the click of a button. Still ending up with files, renaming etc. to Logic Pro. What would you suggest I do from here to complete my workflow?
Cool video, I’ve recently got into Renoise. I feel like it’s more about listening. I like recording into renoise which is like a hardware sampler approach. Renoise is an abstract approach which is what I like. Then sometimes I’ll go back to Bitwig.
Thanks for watching my friend!! I’ve heard great things about Renoise! Lately I’m jamming alot on Push 3 and M8❤️ wish you happy music making my friend!
i used to take a sub par laptop to go around sketching but it was a pain cause laptop touchpads suck and carrying a mouse n all that makes you look weird. Having an actual, standalone object I could write riffs on and listen to that doesn't require all these displays is actually a positive thing if it's all integrated into the ableton setup. Obviously you're not recreating daft punks alive concert on this thing in a day, but having something that isn't distracting that you could whip out and sketch out some midi lines too or shape a couple sounds sounds pretty amazing. I personally don't got 3k CAD for one at the moment(with the taxes and whatever else), but if I did have a spare cash I think this is something i'd be into 100%.
Ha! Comment n2. In your face YT algorithm! 🎉 it’s training 😊 Midi helps me a lot to run notes (not a great performer), so I capture first playing Push pads. Next, I pre-automate some designer-music tweaks (Subsequent 37 VST many, even Model D automate velocity with mouse, fixing/improving performance). Then main phunn happens. I run it to record and mess with other synth knobs and sliders more, making dozen unique takes. Next, find the best take, and may edit to pick few happiest accidents from other takes. Designer music 😂 FX are on when I jam initially and record, so I do “perform” close to what it ends but program final FX over raw and ready synth recording.s It’s a blessing to have whole computer and DAW while enjoying live interaction with hardware synths. Kills me people still limit to DAWless. Isn’t it better to stay creative with all the tools you want? Push 3 breaks the last bridge - standalone project is the same as DAW project. I have many hardware synths and just one Push3. Designer Music heaven! Just want Push3 Mini 20% pocket size and/or Ableton iPhone version 😂 So far OP-Z for travel and still Korg Gadget (which exports direct Live project). Good talk mate! Synth mafia loves gear reviews we all love that … to watch. This is important + inspiring workflow talk you drive. I hope can help ppl out of the woods. You do have lots of sounds and sht already, improving workflow is what will help making more/better music, that you want.
Hybrid wins for sure. But DAWless is great for distraction free fun, and getting lost in synth land. There's a huge difference in playing fun, and production workflow though. Agree with audio recording, mainly from my wind controller and MPE playing though.
congrats on the 50K I am tossed about the push 3 coming from DAWless and a recent purchase of the new S61 MK3 now learning Live 12............ugggg Would you recommend the Push 3 over any other midi controller? Subbed
I am gonna try a similar workflow with Logic Pro on an iPad. My elektron gear gave me a hard time. But I think keeping the elektron workflow for live performance and using Logic to record tracks for publication is a good way to have the best of both worlds.
I loved my push 2, I’m a heavy Ableton user, when push 3 dropped it took way too long and then it wasn’t readily available, they lost me as a customer, I started back with using MPC and with this 3.0 update push 3 is a day late and a dollar short
Very interesting and all this sounds super fun. I've been thinking about playing around with some music production but I'm basically a complete noob. I casually DJ with friends at private parties and the odd small gig (techno, house stuff). I used to play piano, violin etc as a very young kid so have some music theory but that was so long ago, I feel like that's an area I need to spend some time brushing up on. The Push looks super cool but feel I need to invest some time in figuring out what the heck I'm doing before I can justify the cost (don't want it to end up just gathering dust). Appreciate any pointers on getting started.
having both (somehow, amazingly) and trying to side-by-side them recently i kinda forgot how big/annoying the tradeoffs of the force are after using the push3 for some months. besides the quality of life stuff like better pads, more consistent stereo line-in and simpler design language; the ease of finishing/transferring stuff on the push even without an arranger rn kinda blew my mind lol
The midi issue is something I have always had a issue with and that is why I have liked hardware over software because it's a bit better... but still not the same as recording a sound live even if it is a digitally controlled item... its frustrating... hardware DAW's make it a bit better... MPC 3.0 and the force that already had it... loved the MV 8800 back in the day... hated the load times lol... load a track, go make a coffee
I'm a week late in seeing this video, so not sure how likely it is you will see this response. But I felt compelled to respond to your comment about recording MIDI vs. recording audio. I HATE recording to audio. First, I have to admit that I don't really play any instruments well. About the only instrument I can play is the guitar, and my skills with that instrument can be described as amateur at best. So perhaps recording audio vs. MIDI is different for those who are actually proficient at playing an instrument. But the real reason I prefer MIDI is because I like the "impermanence" of MIDI. When I'm making music, I like to experiment with different ideas as I go along, and MIDI makes that possible in a way that recording audio does not. When you record an audio track, you're stuck with what you've got. If I record a melody and I'm not feeling the sound as much as I thought I would, it's as simple as changing a preset. Wondering what that track you just recorded would sound like played on a guitar? Or an electric piano? Or by a string orchestra? Scroll through sounds to your hearts content to find out. Can't really do that with audio. Or maybe you want to hear your melody in a different key. Or maybe you want to hear what it would sound like played backwards. Or inverted. Or maybe you want to hear what that chord progression sounds like arpeggiated. It can all be done with the press of a button. With MIDI, I can be creative and find inspiration and new avenues for composition in a way that just cannot be done with audio. What if I start recording something one day and then the next day I listen to a melody or chord progression I recorded and want to make some changes. With audio, I would have to record that track all over again. Not so with MIDI. I get why some people prefer the "unquantized" feel of audio. But it's not enough of an issue with me compared to the vast benefits of recording MIDI.
Nice! Ok one question. I am a musician and also would love to just record in audio and have the real thing recoreded but.. I need to know what notes I played.. if I want to replay a part later. Is it possible to record in audio AND in midi at the same time on the push 3? Would be a step harder but would give the freedom of audio and the precision of the midi. thanks for your help!
I’m curious if you’ve tried recording tracks into the Deluge in a similar manner. Of course there isn’t an Abelton connection. I’m trying not to buy another piece of gear to fix my problem. There are so many ways to record into the Deluge and I’m still trying to figure out a better workflow. Thanks
The Deluge can actually come VERY close to this workflow with the new community firmware and the “ableton clip launcher view”. It’s one of my favorite audio loopers and recorders as well since you don’t have any real track limits beyond the hardware itself! Definitely try to use it like this, I’m sure it can get fairly close🤘🏻🤘🏻
@@calcairecamhi I’m still working on that! I’ve seen people do it and I think it’s more an issue of me learning how to better use Push 3 in that function, but Aeros Loopers and Rc505 are dedicated loopers so they’re entire workflow and buttons are designed to be optimized for live looping, so out of the box I’d say Aeros and rc505 are more straightforward. I’ll report on it soon!
I don't use Ableton to finish a "song" and I learned that the songmode of sequencers like the Squarp Hapax or the internal one in the 1010 Blackbox basically stopped me from finishing music, that's why I went back to the Polyend Seq that can just "link" one part to the next without any menu diving. As I want to stay 100% dawless (I look at computer screens all day, it's tiresome) ... what's the songmode of the Push 3 like? How can you make a song out of those snippets you recorded? Also I don't agree on your anti-MIDI attitude - I record everything in MIDI, including the little quirks and mistakes. And I even control some of my pedals like the Hologram Chroma over MIDI so I can totally make that little knob twist repeatable. But then again, I'm not a pianist, I rely heavily on adjusting a note length, position or pitch after the recording, maybe that's why I embrace MIDI so much. Also I have quantization always off.
I just haven’t gelled with it. Mine is gathering dust and it’s the Akai Force that grabs me. Admittedly some of this is just because Akai has great synth presets whereas I struggle to find ones I like on PS. And I don’t want to design my own. But on top of that the Force has more useful pad modes.
Having SUCH a hard time learning the 3.. i lose my musical mojo figuring out the NEXT new option.. i want to love it but its like a really pretty hard to get date!
I dont know about standalone, but for using it as a software controller, maschine mk3 still had the best workflow for me. I’ve been trying push3 for two months now and first of all, this hard knock buttons are kind of a deal breaker, it’s a shame, I dont have words to describe how stupid I think the person who designed those buttons are, not to talk about the people who approved it. Second, tooooo many clicks (stupid hard knock clicks) to do anything, compared to maschine mk3. And last but not least, there isn’t even a song mode so we can make a sound map and hear without doing it “live”. I’m not doing a show when producing a beat. I just wont give up because of ableton live software. Thats where maschine looses.
@@g3cd idk whats in their mind, like they think most people using push would be using it for live shows, which I doubt even 10% of their users will ever do. song mode in maschine is nice, specially after they put clips possible.
I’m hopeful for the new updates coming down the pipeline👍🏼 even now being early says I feel this might become huge, especially after the new update! Time will tell! Thanks for watching my friend!
@@MidlifeSynthesist I am hopeful for the same with the updates but they need to fix the stability before continuing to add new fancy features. At this point it is well over a year old. I know a lot of folks on the forums are losing patience waiting for them to fix this basic issues. It indeed could be HUGE but if if continues to be a frustrating experience it will not be
Oh absolutely! The secret sauce and why I´m so insistent on the Standalone part is because I usually don´t have my laptop hooked up and ready to go to the rest of my music stuff (it´s also my dayjob computer which I take around with me). So If I had the controller version I´d need to set things up and connect cables etc. What I love about standalone is that it´s always just a button push away from magic. I can jam on it all I want and IF I need to go to the DAW later, it´s already organized and setup as a DAW project. Best of both worlds! Thanks for watching my friend!
I have a problem with the word sketchpad. Any cheap groovebox can be a great sketchpad. Surely for the money you are paying for a Push 3, you should be able to make complete tracks. You definitely can with the MPC One anyway and that's a lot less expensive.
@@MidlifeSynthesist I updated to the latest software and can't see it as an effect that I can choose on standalone. Did you save a file on the beta version then transfer it to the push to use on standalone?
@@siaseeds8950 hi! You have to sign up for the Beta program for Push3. When you download the latest Beta version of Push 3 firmware you’ll see Autoshift in the audiofx section👍🏼
Only on iPad here so abletons always been off limits, but the stand-alone could well be a nice taste. Record into cubasis when I’m done, buy an iPad pencil & fine tune there 🤔 Or buy a MacBook Pro and use the gear I’ve already got? Choices are a bitch!!! But hay 1st world problems right!!!
Had Push 2 twice and Push 3 because of videos lije this one...sold them every time and don't regret it at all. Completely unnecessary thing at least for me and my workflow and I just never got used to play those pads instead of real keys.
All this is great, but Push is a PITA when it comes to load instruments or samples. It totally kills my vibe. I was so turned off by it I had to return my Push
😂😂 I was waiting for this comment all morning, and… NO!😂 But for real, to each his own! Lots of people find their bliss just using a DAW and more power to them! Thanks for watching!
Sketchpad …. 1300 bux to not complete tracks … and the arm processor is something windows has abandoned… so this is an overpriced midi controller. Might as well just use the push 2
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Good video bro... I like your perspective on the MIDI vs Audio recording thing as well as how you're using Push 3 in your setup. Much appreciated 👍
@@inspector-tech thanks bro🙌🏻🙌🏻
Great stuff as always. You seem to consistently be where I am with certain pieces of gear... answering my questions as I think of them with great content like this. Thanks brother. Hope to catch up soon.
@@SURCOlive jajajaja great minds think alike!!🫶🏼
Really hope to catch a beer with you soon too bro! Superbooth 25? 👀
Hmmm... I might have to try this out! I love removing those speed bumps in the creative process
@@RickyTinez Yoo! Thanks for stopping by bro! It’s definitely a huge plus to not have to go through the hassle of “translating” your audio files into Ableton🤘🏻 I’m loving that my DAWless jams are already setup and ready to go if I need to “finish” them up🤘🏻
push3 compact creations? 🤔🤞
Rickyyy!! Amo tu canal hermano
Would love to see a Push 3 compact creations series :)
Using Simpler with Push (Push 2 for me, at the moment anyway) has been a revelation. Simpler on Push is like a really great hardware sampler with a super clear interface. I like to record instruments as audio and then chop and mangle samples. It's annoying that it's not possible to sample directly into Simpler but the workaround (record audio track, convert to Simpler, delete audio track, work on track with Simpler in it) is fast and simple. Doing this directly on Push is a real pleasure. The fact that Simpler also has the same filters built in that are used in other Live devices like Auto Filter is a bonus, I've found I can totally reshape a sound without using any other devices.
Push 3 rocks, single greatest inspirational gear , I have ever bought.
All what you said, plus when you add the MPE it is insanely creative.
I am using it in controller mode. I just hit ctrl+shft+eject and my mac screen shuts off and I am in standalone heaven with an extra 1000 in my pocket :)
Can u explain a bit further? You have the controller only version & ‘eject’ push from your Mac & somehow after this you’re still able to use Push 3?
@@inspector-tech on a Mac if you hold down ctrl+shft+eject it will turn off the screen of the Mac, but the computer is still communicating with the push. So it feels like the computer is off, because the screen is off. It’s a way to keep you from looking at the computer and you can do everything on the push. Hope that makes sense?
@@AlecKinch Aha! ok thanks for that. Unfortunately I don't have an Eject key on my M1 Macbook Pro so no wonder I never noticed this! 😅
Anyway, I have the controller version too along with a big-ass monitor connected to my Mac 😊... I do like the approach of just using the controller and ignoring the screen but there are some things you can't do on the controller and need to look at the software, unfortunately. (both on standalone & controller versions).
I'll upload a video about this shortly.... 👍
@@inspector-tech Yeah, its more of a "mood" thing for me, or mind/ear trick.
Also , as I was curious myself, I looked it up. On a MacBook apparently you can do the same thing. Try the key command (CTRL+SHFT+ on/off button)
If it works, try a test , listen to your mix while looking at the screen, then turn off your screen and listen. People might be surprised!
You're making me think about recording in a whole different way. 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Recording audio synths into clips, that’s superb. Now I want a Push 3.
Even though it’s pretty simple, it’s been a HUGE boon to my creativity and productivity alike! Thanks for watching my friend, cheers!
I have a different take on it so far and I hope to share it on the channel soon: between the Push and the MPC workflow, I feel much faster on the MPC. This is before the 3.0 update but I don't see that making the experience any worse - quite the opposite. I feel the Push is getting in my way to some degree, like a slower way of working in Ableton compared to just opening up the laptop. The MPC feels like the opposite in that the hardware workflow is primary and the software daw behind it is secondary. This doesn't mean that the Push 3 doesn't do a lot of things right of course. I love the pads, the build, the sounds and effects. But personally I feel like I'm better off just using Ableton Live and a simpler controller for when recording in notes. For audio recording, the pads aren't needed in the first place. Just my two cents though, appreciate your take on it!
Although I've only had a Push 2 so far, I have the same experience on my MPC: I feel that I can sketch out beats a lot faster than I ever would in a standalone Push experience. Trying to get an existing DAW working in a standalone workflow apparently doesn't work as well as going the other way around: making an existing standalone workflow more DAW-like over time.
Had a push 3, loved it but hate hate HATE Ableton. Just sitting here waiting for 3.0 for my MPC 61 keys tbh
I second the MPC Live 2 way. Best buy ever. Quick banging! No reason to look at the push for this
I've been a deluge user for years now. But recently have really felt the allure of the Push 3 for many of the reasons you just listed. I need to find someone who has one so I can just borrow it!
Thanks such a great review! Have recently sold most of my gear for a modular system, small drum machine, two effects pedals and an audio interface. I'm constantly jamming and many of those jams are captured in Logic. But I rarely go back into Logic to elaborate those ideas into songs/arrangements. Was considering a Push 3 some time ago (I'd be happy with the controller, can always upgrade later) but had to take another step first (sell all the old gear). Now I have no issues jamming on my current setup that's so enjoyable but the next step of further elaboration is a bit blocked. What you have established is a viable path of least resistant option. Going to watch this video again! Thank you! Agree with you on Midi .... I'm happy with a live audio take.
The Force is amazing for that workflow
Really enjoyed this! Thanks man. I’m deciding between Push 3 standalone and the new Move!!!
I’m in the same boat khord. Move looks sweet but who needs portability when we have KORG gadget!!! ;)
@@HeavyBeats24 haha in a big way I agree! I still much prefer HW over any daw especially for getting musical ideas started but gadget is the only DAW that I can and have used extensively to get musical ideas or even full songs going! I’ve decided to start with the move. Try for 28 days and literally make a song every day and then decide how fun it is and whether I want to keep it OR return and just go for the push 3 (standalone). Stay tuned for that series!
@@Khordmaster sounds like a plan. I’ll try one out too. Why not :) I hear you. Sitting at a computer just isn’t as fun as it once was. Look forward to your take 👊
Awesome video buddy. I haven’t tried the 12.1 beta on the Push SA yet but what you did there with the new vocal shifting sounded super dope 💜
Yooo!! Dude you are gonna flip! The vocoder might become my favorite thing on push for live performing! Definitely check it out! Thanks for watching bro!
I appreciate your take on midi and the value of just recording the audio and working with it. I also feel like something is lost in the feel especially when playing an analog synth like the pro-3!
Yoo!! Thanks so much my friend! Really appreciate it! Lots of love🙌🏻
@@MidlifeSynthesist keep them coming !
I love my push 3sa. Using link to sync up iPad and recording clips from some of the great apps is my favourite use.
1:20 it's got some sence. We get so used to electronic music, sequenced, quantized. And perfectly engineered studio albums. But music is alive.
2:53 A tope nene ! Creatividad es libertad mental, y lo que nos inspira en la vida, cierto ?
Turn off quantize when recording to keep a little off timing in melodies and drums. I have the push 3 as well and it is for sure so much fun. It's an incredible sampler and I love the chopping while sampling feature. I didn't go with the standalone. I have a huge library of Native instruments content.
I’ve tried that but I still get weird behavior from the sustain pedal for example😂 I’m also loving sampling on it! Thanks for watching my friend!!
Great video. Love the light humour. Made me chuckle anyway😂
Lovely video buddy! Very cool segment with the vocoder!
Thanks so much Bo!! I’m excited for the future of this thing🙌🏻 lots of love brother❤️
Great video! Would love to hear more about the ADAT in/out. Struggling with the same issues. For example, are you using Push for your interface, or do you switch to another Interface when you are working out of your DAW? Does the in/out solution work just the same when you are not in Standalone? I have a Gen 2 Focusrite 18I8 which has adat In but not out. Could I take my Scarlett out of the mix if I moved to your AudioFuse solution and just use the Push 3 as my interface?
Yo!! Thanks for watching! Let me try to answer as best I can
Yes, the Audiofuse 8x in/out with ADAT works perfectly in standalone
yes, I’m currently using Push3 + ADAT as my audio interface without anything else
The only caveat here is that with that setup you have no phantom power, so if you have say a condenser mic that needs phantom power, you probably won’t be able to use it.
I’m using a dynamic mic and it’s working great🤘🏻
Really happy with the setup overall❤️
Really like this and will definitely try a push 3. I'm not interested in going dawless though. What matters to me is the directness of musical creation to the daw, arrangement and the ease of flow back and forth.
I love your videos! I’m not a Push guy but enjoyed ur take on it! Can you do a walkthrough of all of your pedals?
Yo!! Thanks so much! And that’s a great video idea! Thanks for it as well! Cheers!
I also have a bit of a hot take; I don't love samples. Don't get me wrong! They certainly have their place and are a useful tool, and I probably use them in at least one track every 2-3 songs I've made. But that doesn't mean I really enjoy them 😁
Great video as usual, great to see how the Push can be used / is used in your workflow!
Totally with you on this. Sample file management is not my thing at all.
LOL! Now that´s a hot take! Thanks for watching my friend!!
I 100% agree, recording midi has never reproduced the "human" part, ESPECIALLY not MPE.
would love to see a video showing more of what you're doing with autoshift... other videos on youtube don't really show how it applies to live performing or sketching
One of the reasons I'm staying with my Push 2 for now is that the workflow of the Push 3 in standalone doesn't seem to be particularly quick. Whereas with my MPC Live 2: it follows a reverse philosophy compared to Ableton of starting with standalone device workflow and then making it more DAW-like over time, especially with the upcoming MPC 3 update. As a result I can pump out beat sketches in standalone pretty fast on an MPC, probably a lot faster than on a Push 3 standalone. And I can still directly export it to Ableton format.
But then again, I don't use a lot of additional hardware that I need to hook up. So if you use your Push 3 to be a hub for all that hardware then I can definitely get your choice. And for sure I'm looking forward to all the improvements they will make on it as atm, Push 3 standalone is pretty much a Gen 1 product that could use a lot more cooking.
Yoo!! Thanks for being here brother and loved the comment❤️ It’s really cool to learn other people’s workflow cause you always find something new and get inspired or excited. Thanks for sharing, lots of love!
"pain in my adat"
Well played.
😂😜 had to! Jajaja
Sketchpad for two grands? It's better be one damn good one.
😂👍🏼 I feel that !😂
I am a musician. I write and play Techno live using hardware. I record what I play and release that, so I don't sit and produce music on a computer. However, looking at Ableton Push 3 in standalone has me interested...Thanks for your information.
Great stuff presented even greater! Thanx!
I have a Maschine+ that I wonder if can be used somewhat similarly as the Push. Could you make a comparison video?
Anyway - I struggled with my DAW setup for years before realizing that my flow is live, not DAW.
So now I have a DAW-less setup with a Onyx mixer being able to record to SD card at the click of a button. Still ending up with files, renaming etc. to Logic Pro.
What would you suggest I do from here to complete my workflow?
I bought a Mac Mini M2 Pro used for about $100 less than the stand alone add on kit. So yeah, I have no issues staying hybrid with the Push 3.
Thanks for the video !
Cool video, I’ve recently got into Renoise. I feel like it’s more about listening. I like recording into renoise which is like a hardware sampler approach. Renoise is an abstract approach which is what I like. Then sometimes I’ll go back to Bitwig.
Thanks for watching my friend!! I’ve heard great things about Renoise! Lately I’m jamming alot on Push 3 and M8❤️ wish you happy music making my friend!
i used to take a sub par laptop to go around sketching but it was a pain cause laptop touchpads suck and carrying a mouse n all that makes you look weird.
Having an actual, standalone object I could write riffs on and listen to that doesn't require all these displays is actually a positive thing if it's all integrated into the ableton setup.
Obviously you're not recreating daft punks alive concert on this thing in a day, but having something that isn't distracting that you could whip out and sketch out some midi lines too or shape a couple sounds sounds pretty amazing.
I personally don't got 3k CAD for one at the moment(with the taxes and whatever else), but if I did have a spare cash I think this is something i'd be into 100%.
I'm going to be out for three weeks away from my studio. I'm taking my PUSH 3 with me. It's awesome--just need VST support.
Ha! Comment n2. In your face YT algorithm! 🎉 it’s training 😊
Midi helps me a lot to run notes (not a great performer), so I capture first playing Push pads. Next, I pre-automate some designer-music tweaks (Subsequent 37 VST many, even Model D automate velocity with mouse, fixing/improving performance). Then main phunn happens. I run it to record and mess with other synth knobs and sliders more, making dozen unique takes. Next, find the best take, and may edit to pick few happiest accidents from other takes. Designer music 😂
FX are on when I jam initially and record, so I do “perform” close to what it ends but program final FX over raw and ready synth recording.s
It’s a blessing to have whole computer and DAW while enjoying live interaction with hardware synths.
Kills me people still limit to DAWless. Isn’t it better to stay creative with all the tools you want? Push 3 breaks the last bridge - standalone project is the same as DAW project.
I have many hardware synths and just one Push3. Designer Music heaven!
Just want Push3 Mini 20% pocket size and/or Ableton iPhone version 😂 So far OP-Z for travel and still Korg Gadget (which exports direct Live project).
Good talk mate! Synth mafia loves gear reviews we all love that … to watch. This is important + inspiring workflow talk you drive. I hope can help ppl out of the woods. You do have lots of sounds and sht already, improving workflow is what will help making more/better music, that you want.
Hybrid wins for sure. But DAWless is great for distraction free fun, and getting lost in synth land.
There's a huge difference in playing fun, and production workflow though.
Agree with audio recording, mainly from my wind controller and MPE playing though.
congrats on the 50K
I am tossed about the push 3 coming from DAWless and a recent purchase of the new S61 MK3 now learning Live 12............ugggg
Would you recommend the Push 3 over any other midi controller?
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Very interesting. Hey have you ever done a video specifically on the microcosm? I have one myself and find it very mysterious.
Thanks so much! I haven’t done a proper review (hadn’t realized before reading your comment lol)! I’ll be sure to make one soon! Thanks for watching!
I would really like a video on the microcosm too - especially the looper function!
I am gonna try a similar workflow with Logic Pro on an iPad. My elektron gear gave me a hard time. But I think keeping the elektron workflow for live performance and using Logic to record tracks for publication is a good way to have the best of both worlds.
Push 3 Standalone doesn't make sense in the studio but it's also too big for the couch. The controller version is where it's at. 👌🏾
lol Ableton read this comment 😏
I loved my push 2, I’m a heavy Ableton user, when push 3 dropped it took way too long and then it wasn’t readily available, they lost me as a customer, I started back with using MPC and with this 3.0 update push 3 is a day late and a dollar short
Very interesting and all this sounds super fun. I've been thinking about playing around with some music production but I'm basically a complete noob. I casually DJ with friends at private parties and the odd small gig (techno, house stuff). I used to play piano, violin etc as a very young kid so have some music theory but that was so long ago, I feel like that's an area I need to spend some time brushing up on. The Push looks super cool but feel I need to invest some time in figuring out what the heck I'm doing before I can justify the cost (don't want it to end up just gathering dust). Appreciate any pointers on getting started.
Akai Force covers a lot of this territory for less $ with some (significant) tradeoffs.
having both (somehow, amazingly) and trying to side-by-side them recently i kinda forgot how big/annoying the tradeoffs of the force are after using the push3 for some months. besides the quality of life stuff like better pads, more consistent stereo line-in and simpler design language; the ease of finishing/transferring stuff on the push even without an arranger rn kinda blew my mind lol
@@swz_torthose tradeoffs are quite huge tbh. It's an insanely shitty and limited daw crammed into a sick controller 😢
MPC has a pretty cool ecosystem too
Chill bro, Push 3 is a decent sketch pad
The midi issue is something I have always had a issue with and that is why I have liked hardware over software because it's a bit better... but still not the same as recording a sound live even if it is a digitally controlled item... its frustrating... hardware DAW's make it a bit better... MPC 3.0 and the force that already had it... loved the MV 8800 back in the day... hated the load times lol... load a track, go make a coffee
Brilliant thank you.
I concur!
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I'm a week late in seeing this video, so not sure how likely it is you will see this response. But I felt compelled to respond to your comment about recording MIDI vs. recording audio.
I HATE recording to audio. First, I have to admit that I don't really play any instruments well. About the only instrument I can play is the guitar, and my skills with that instrument can be described as amateur at best. So perhaps recording audio vs. MIDI is different for those who are actually proficient at playing an instrument.
But the real reason I prefer MIDI is because I like the "impermanence" of MIDI. When I'm making music, I like to experiment with different ideas as I go along, and MIDI makes that possible in a way that recording audio does not. When you record an audio track, you're stuck with what you've got. If I record a melody and I'm not feeling the sound as much as I thought I would, it's as simple as changing a preset. Wondering what that track you just recorded would sound like played on a guitar? Or an electric piano? Or by a string orchestra? Scroll through sounds to your hearts content to find out. Can't really do that with audio.
Or maybe you want to hear your melody in a different key. Or maybe you want to hear what it would sound like played backwards. Or inverted. Or maybe you want to hear what that chord progression sounds like arpeggiated. It can all be done with the press of a button. With MIDI, I can be creative and find inspiration and new avenues for composition in a way that just cannot be done with audio. What if I start recording something one day and then the next day I listen to a melody or chord progression I recorded and want to make some changes. With audio, I would have to record that track all over again. Not so with MIDI.
I get why some people prefer the "unquantized" feel of audio. But it's not enough of an issue with me compared to the vast benefits of recording MIDI.
I have one and have been working with Live audio recordings
i didn't know the push was standalone im an mpc guy but i like to check out all standalone units ...
Nice! Ok one question. I am a musician and also would love to just record in audio and have the real thing recoreded but.. I need to know what notes I played.. if I want to replay a part later. Is it possible to record in audio AND in midi at the same time on the push 3? Would be a step harder but would give the freedom of audio and the precision of the midi. thanks for your help!
I’m curious if you’ve tried recording tracks into the Deluge in a similar manner. Of course there isn’t an Abelton connection. I’m trying not to buy another piece of gear to fix my problem. There are so many ways to record into the Deluge and I’m still trying to figure out a better workflow. Thanks
The Deluge can actually come VERY close to this workflow with the new community firmware and the “ableton clip launcher view”. It’s one of my favorite audio loopers and recorders as well since you don’t have any real track limits beyond the hardware itself! Definitely try to use it like this, I’m sure it can get fairly close🤘🏻🤘🏻
@@MidlifeSynthesist glad to hear that. 👊
Can Push 3 live loop as seamlessly as an Rc505 or an Aeros loop ?
@@calcairecamhi I’m still working on that! I’ve seen people do it and I think it’s more an issue of me learning how to better use Push 3 in that function, but Aeros Loopers and Rc505 are dedicated loopers so they’re entire workflow and buttons are designed to be optimized for live looping, so out of the box I’d say Aeros and rc505 are more straightforward. I’ll report on it soon!
I don't use Ableton to finish a "song" and I learned that the songmode of sequencers like the Squarp Hapax or the internal one in the 1010 Blackbox basically stopped me from finishing music, that's why I went back to the Polyend Seq that can just "link" one part to the next without any menu diving. As I want to stay 100% dawless (I look at computer screens all day, it's tiresome) ... what's the songmode of the Push 3 like? How can you make a song out of those snippets you recorded?
Also I don't agree on your anti-MIDI attitude - I record everything in MIDI, including the little quirks and mistakes. And I even control some of my pedals like the Hologram Chroma over MIDI so I can totally make that little knob twist repeatable. But then again, I'm not a pianist, I rely heavily on adjusting a note length, position or pitch after the recording, maybe that's why I embrace MIDI so much. Also I have quantization always off.
I just haven’t gelled with it. Mine is gathering dust and it’s the Akai Force that grabs me. Admittedly some of this is just because Akai has great synth presets whereas I struggle to find ones I like on PS. And I don’t want to design my own.
But on top of that the Force has more useful pad modes.
Having SUCH a hard time learning the 3.. i lose my musical mojo figuring out the NEXT new option.. i want to love it but its like a really pretty hard to get date!
I dont know about standalone, but for using it as a software controller, maschine mk3 still had the best workflow for me. I’ve been trying push3 for two months now and first of all, this hard knock buttons are kind of a deal breaker, it’s a shame, I dont have words to describe how stupid I think the person who designed those buttons are, not to talk about the people who approved it. Second, tooooo many clicks (stupid hard knock clicks) to do anything, compared to maschine mk3. And last but not least, there isn’t even a song mode so we can make a sound map and hear without doing it “live”. I’m not doing a show when producing a beat. I just wont give up because of ableton live software. Thats where maschine looses.
I was wondering about song mode as it sucks with most sequencers. Having no song mode at all in the Push 3 would be a total dealbreaker for me.
@@g3cd idk whats in their mind, like they think most people using push would be using it for live shows, which I doubt even 10% of their users will ever do. song mode in maschine is nice, specially after they put clips possible.
I love mine except how often it crashes and the MIDI latency…. Especially after spending $2k
I’m hopeful for the new updates coming down the pipeline👍🏼 even now being early says I feel this might become huge, especially after the new update! Time will tell! Thanks for watching my friend!
@@MidlifeSynthesist I am hopeful for the same with the updates but they need to fix the stability before continuing to add new fancy features. At this point it is well over a year old. I know a lot of folks on the forums are losing patience waiting for them to fix this basic issues. It indeed could be HUGE but if if continues to be a frustrating experience it will not be
Wait, how do you go from recorded clips to tracks with take lanes? I don’t think we can record multiple takes in the Push standalone, can we?
I'd buy it if it was a Cubase Push or Bitwig Push ;)
I thought you were the guy from Abroad in Japan im ngl
Isn't this workflow identical if you would use the normal push 3? You are still connected to the ADAT, and everything.
I use normal Push3 😊
Oh absolutely! The secret sauce and why I´m so insistent on the Standalone part is because I usually don´t have my laptop hooked up and ready to go to the rest of my music stuff (it´s also my dayjob computer which I take around with me). So If I had the controller version I´d need to set things up and connect cables etc. What I love about standalone is that it´s always just a button push away from magic. I can jam on it all I want and IF I need to go to the DAW later, it´s already organized and setup as a DAW project. Best of both worlds! Thanks for watching my friend!
I have a problem with the word sketchpad. Any cheap groovebox can be a great sketchpad. Surely for the money you are paying for a Push 3, you should be able to make complete tracks. You definitely can with the MPC One anyway and that's a lot less expensive.
Is the autoshift available on standalone?
Yes! I’m using it fully standalone in the video when I demo it👍🏼
@@MidlifeSynthesist I updated to the latest software and can't see it as an effect that I can choose on standalone. Did you save a file on the beta version then transfer it to the push to use on standalone?
@@siaseeds8950 hi! You have to sign up for the Beta program for Push3. When you download the latest Beta version of Push 3 firmware you’ll see Autoshift in the audiofx section👍🏼
@@MidlifeSynthesist Thank you!
Only on iPad here so abletons always been off limits, but the stand-alone could well be a nice taste.
Record into cubasis when I’m done, buy an iPad pencil & fine tune there 🤔
Or buy a MacBook Pro and use the gear I’ve already got? Choices are a bitch!!!
But hay 1st world problems right!!!
Had Push 2 twice and Push 3 because of videos lije this one...sold them every time and don't regret it at all. Completely unnecessary thing at least for me and my workflow and I just never got used to play those pads instead of real keys.
Push 1 with MacBook Pro over this any time
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"Running off G.A.S." Nice.... 😆
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Isnt machine ist procesing caled resampling constant record i one chanel or more just infinite
All this is great, but Push is a PITA when it comes to load instruments or samples. It totally kills my vibe. I was so turned off by it I had to return my Push
Or just use the DAW and save $2000?
😂😂 I was waiting for this comment all morning, and… NO!😂
But for real, to each his own! Lots of people find their bliss just using a DAW and more power to them! Thanks for watching!
Sketchpad …. 1300 bux to not complete tracks … and the arm processor is something windows has abandoned… so this is an overpriced midi controller. Might as well just use the push 2