I will never be filled with the fullness of God without the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The Bible clearly gives emphasis to the nature of these Persons in the Godhead. Take away one of them and I will never be complete the way i am right now. PRAISE THE GODHEAD THREE IN ONE.
According to Col 2:9 the fulness of the Godhead dwells in Jesus Christ, bodily. This means that God cannot be found outside of Jesus. In verse 10, the believer is complete in him. Two others do not have to be with him, for the believer to be complete in him.
Based on the three last lines of your comment, one can also conclude that, to take away any person of God, you do not have God. This is why the trinity cannot be true.
"Jesus is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together." - Colossians 1:15-17
The one God in the bible, is known as the Father. Mal 2:10; Eph 4:6. A triune definition of the one God, will make the Father to be a triune being. God being solitary being, does not negate his unity as God.
@@dgreenja Jesus Christ said, that the father lives in Me, And Rather, it is the father living in Me who is speaking and doing His work through Me, and I can do nothing on my own. Just as your body can do nothing on it own. God became flesh and dwelled with man as the sacrifical lamb/body of God who is also called the son of God, and no a separate person or being or God. Jesus christ said that the father and I are one. Question is Jesus telling us a lie?
@@marcusvanrensberg6060 i am not of the view that Jesus is a separate person or being from God. If you hold to the view that Jesus is the Father, that is the same view I defend.
The point of the Trinity is not to question the single essence of God, but rather to comprehend the energies of God, or how a single God, who's outside the created world, manifests himself in the created world, so the Hypostasis are the eternal manifestations of God, or more precisely the Spirit of God/Parakletos stands for God's relation with anything in the created world, the Word of God/Logos stands for God's actions in the created world, while the Pater is not exactly a manifestation, but rather the source of both Hypostasis, outside the created world.
In ( Exodus 20:3 ) NABRE Who made this statement: You shall not have other gods beside me. God the Father, God the Son, or God the Holy Spirit AKA the Dove? Whose image are you made in?
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:” - Deuteronomy 6:4 (KJV) “Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him.” - Deuteronomy 4:35 (KJV) “See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.” - Deuteronomy 32:39 (KJV) “Wherefore thou art great, O LORD God: for there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.” - 2 Samuel 7:22 (KJV) “O LORD, there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.” - 1 Chronicles 17:20 (KJV) “Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.” - Isaiah 12:2 (KJV) “And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the LORD; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.” - Isaiah 25:9 (KJV) “For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.” - Isaiah 43:3 (KJV) Isaiah 43 (KJV) ¹⁰ Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. ¹¹ I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour. “Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.” - Isaiah 44:6 (KJV) “Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.” - Isaiah 44:8 (KJV) “Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;” - Isaiah 44:24 (KJV) Isaiah 45 (KJV) ⁵ I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: ⁶ That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. Isaiah 45 (KJV) ²¹ Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. ²² Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. “For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.” - Isaiah 54:5 (KJV) "And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him.” - Isaiah 59:16 (KJV) “Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.” - Isaiah 60:16 (KJV) “Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.” - Hosea 13:4 (KJV) Psalms 22 (KJV) ¹⁶ For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. ¹⁷ I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me. ¹⁸ They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture. “And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver.” - Zechariah 11:12 (KJV) “And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.” - Zechariah 12:10 (KJV) “But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.” - Micah 5:2 (KJV) “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.” - Isaiah 9:6 (KJV) "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.” - Matthew 1:23 (KJV) “And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.” - Luke 1:47 (KJV) “Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,” - Luke 1:68 (KJV) Look up what the Hebrew word is that was used for "salvation" in Exodus 15:2, Psalm 62:2, 62:6, Isaiah 12:2. KJV Matthew 28:19, Luke 24:47, Acts 2:38, 4:12, 8:12, 8:16, 10:48, 19:5, 22:16
Here are Bible verses showing there are two: the Father, and Jesus: ■ "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him." (John 14:23) (The Father + Jesus = 2 . . . with no mention of the holy spirit as a third person.) ■ "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." (John 1:1-3) (The Father + Jesus = 2 . . . with no mention of the holy spirit as a third person.) ■ "I and my Father are one." (John 10:30) (The Father + Jesus = 2 . . . with no mention of the holy spirit as a third person.) ■ "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." (1 Cor 8:6) (The Father + Jesus = 2 . . . with no mention of the holy spirit as a third person.) ■ "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." (John 17:5) (The Father + Jesus = 2 . . . with no mention of the holy spirit as a third person.) Only the Father and Jesus are mentioned in the opening greetings of the epistles: ■ “To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ” (Paul, in Romans 1:7) ■ “Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.” (Paul, in 1 Corinthians 1:3) ■ “Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.” (John, in 2 John 1:3) ■ "Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ" (2 Corinthians 1:2) ■ "Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ" (Galatians 1:3) ■ "Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ" (Ephesians 1:2) ■ "Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ" (Philippians 1:2) ■ "To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ." (Colossians 1:2) ■ "Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Thessalonians 1:1) ■ "Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ" (2 Thessalonians 1:2) ■ "Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord." (1 Timothy 1:2) ■ "To Timothy, my dearly beloved son: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord" (2 Timothy 1:2) ■ "To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour" (Titus 1:4) ■ "Grace to you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ" (Philemon 1:3) ■ "Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord" (2 Peter 1:2) The only persons mentioned were the Father, and Jesus. Can we be honest enough to admit there is nothing to suggest a Trinity - three persons - in these greetings? There are many similar statements, mentioning only the Father and Jesus. Here are a few of them: ■ “Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.” (Ephesians 6:23) ■ “Now God himself and our Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, direct our way unto you.” (1 Thessalonians 3:11) ■ “Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace, Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.” (2 Thessalonians 2:16,17) ■ “Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.” (1 John 2:24) ■ “That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.” (1 John 1:3) ■ “But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his” (Romans 8:9)
Amen, Amen, Amen. God made mankind in HIs image - male and female He made them. The Son came forth from the Father. The woman came forth from the man. The Father is the head with the authority on the Throne. The man is the head with the authority in marriage. Yet they are one.
@@TheDareD3vilThe Father and the Son ARE spirit and ARE holy. When they (the two) dwell in us we have them -holy spirit- in us. ■ "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." ■ "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him." (John 14:23)
I was taught Tritheism... how do I unlearn that?! I want to believe the truth but I'm having a hard time not making Jesus and God separate. The Bible literally says Jesus is God's SON! How can He be the Son but ALSO the Father?? I'm so confused.
suppose there's a family called "Kingsley" in that family, the father is John Kingsley and the mother is Betty Kingsley and their son is Simon Kingsley, and together they formed One Family, not three Family since Three Persons but those three persons together formed One Family. they are all different persons remember, there's their father, their mother and their son, but together they formed "one Kingsley family" Similarly there's The Father, The Son Jesus and The Holy Spirit, and together They are One God
Tia, One Lord. One God. One Savior. One Spirit. One person. One name: our great God and Savior Jesus Christ. ============== "Looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ" (Titus 2:13). ============== If you respond here, I will explain the incarnation, and how God is One. Until Christ is fully formed in us all, -james
@@HeWhoHasSeenMe The cult of the trinity has a horrendous reputation. So much bloodshed. Even right now, Orthodox trinitarians are killing their fellow Orthodox trinitarians in the Russia/Ukraine war. True Christians only worship the Father as did Jesus and do not kill others as Jesus did not.
It looks like this decade-old video is still pulling in comments from the servants of the Enemy, relentlessly trying to undermine the faith. The doctrine of the Trinity comes from the Gospel (Mk. 12:29, Mt. 22:37, Mt. 28:19).
Jesus: " The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of *my God*. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of *my God* and the name of the city of *my God*, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from *my God* " Rev 3:12 Jesus does not serve a triune God. It is Jesus' Father who is The one God. *Jesus' God is my God* Blessings
***** How can JESUS be GOD's *son* and also be GOD who is the father *of* JESUS? JESUS is *with* his father in heaven now...... JESUS says he sits on his father's throne *with* him. The Father(GOD) and His son, Jesus, are not the same person. GOD bless
OurHumbleLife The clarity of the trinity in New Testament is a confirmation of numerous references in the Old. Taking one verse and placing an interpretation on it outside of Scripture in its entirety is very poor exegesis and doesn't prove your point. Jesus said repeatedly in his own words that he and the Father are one. They reference several of these in this video. John chapter 1, which by the way was not a Christian invention. That passage came straight from a Jewish targum. John was simply identify Jesus as the one they were looking for. There was an understanding in Second Temple Judaism and a lot of commentary on the "Two Yahweh"s" because of the numerous references in the Old Testament, most clearly when it says 'My Lord said to my Lord." That statement right there is clear evidence that they are more than one an coequal. Isaiah 43:11 says, "The Lord alone is Savior." How can they refer to Yahweh and there be fulfillment in Jesus if Jesus is not Lord? Even the Shema itself refers to a plural unity. "Hear O Israel, the Lord your God is one." The word used for one in that verse is echad which is a plural unity. The best example of this is when it says in Genesis that a man and his wife are "one." Also echad. There is a word in Hebrew which means a singular one, it is yachid. As they said in the beginning of the video, the Trinity is just a label for a truth that is referenced throughout the Bible.
Jesus is Lord because GOD made Him Lord. Acts 2:36 " let all the house of Israel know for certain that *God has made Him both Lord and Christ-- this Jesus whom you crucified"* Who was Jesus' God, this God that he called his, the one he prayed to? *Do you believe that Jesus worshipped a triune God?*
Again, this is a faulty understanding of Scripture in its entirety on the nature of God, Messianic expectations (of which there were several,) and what Jesus himself said. He said himself he was Lord God. You are trying to put a human construct on an eternal God. There are many verses that illustrate this, but I will let the words of Jesus himself stand as the best refutation of it. Matthew 22:41-45 Then, surrounded by the Pharisees, Jesus asked them a question. "What do you think about the Messiah? Whose son is he? They replied, "He is the son of David." Jesus responded, "Then why does David, speaking under the inspiration of the Spirit call the Messiah "my Lord?". For David said, "The Lord said to my Lord, 'Sit in the place of honor at my right hand until I humble your enemies beneath your feet." (Quoting Psalm 110) Since David called the Messiah 'my Lord' how can the Messiah be his son?". No one could answer him. After that, no one dared as him any more questions. The title Lord was reserved for Yahweh and, again, there was an understanding of the Two Yahweh's in the second Temple The flaw in your argument is twofold. Jesus did not worship "a triune God.". He Is God. John 5:23 "so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him John 8:49-50. Jesus answered, "I do not have a demon, but I honor my Father . . . If he was not fully God, of the same essence, then all his statements and the instructions to honor him are a violation of the first commandment "Thou shall have no other gods before me.". It would also make false the statement in Isaiah 43:11 that the Lord alone is Savior You can't pick and choose which verses to accept. You either have to accept them as a whole, or they are invalidated. God does not leave room in his Word otherwise. The only way all of the statements are reconciled is through the person of Jesus Christ, who came as fully God, the Lord, to earth as fully man to atone for our sins What you miss in that verse is that it says he is Lord *and* Christ. He wasn't made Lord because he always was. . . But he was made the Christ, meaning he was the savior, the salvation of God (which is what his name means) referred to in Isaiah 43. The word Messiah means "anointed one" in Hebrew. But that wasn't how the apostled referred to him. They called him the Christ. There was a concept of the redeemer, God coming as man, that the title Christ conveyed. It does mean "anointed one" as well, but there was a connotation that went beyond it That is why in the book of John, two times it uses Messiah and Christ in the same sentence. One of those passages is John chapter 4 when Jesus is talking to the Samaritan woman. Verse 25 "the woman said to Hm, 'I know that Messiah (Mesias) is coming, He who is called Christ (Kristos); when that One comes, He will declare all things to us.". Jesus said to her, 'I who speak to you am He." The Christ, Greek word Kristos, was a qualifier, that there was a Messiah coming that was more than the other Messiahs, that he was God come as man, the Christ. The Father is Lord. The Son is Lord and was made Christ, the savior of Isaiah 43:11 Romans 10:9. If you confess with you mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you will be saved. If you confess him as Lord, meaning that he is God . . . Not that you follow him as an elevated member of the divine council . . . That he is and always was God, coessence of the Father. The salvation of God as God himself If you don't believe that, you don't have his salvation and are preaching another Gospel
@@playthislick Mystery can mean something hidden or not fully understood. God on this side of eternity is known but not fully known. We can know Him and yet because He is truly God Almighty He is beyond what we as humans or mortals can fully comprehend until we are transformed to dwell with Him in eternity. In the Eastern Orthodox church God is called a divine Mystery because He is beyond what we in our limited capacity, are able to now understand.
@bengoolie5197 The Athanasian Creed is a good explanation of the trinity, it has to be as there is no such explanation in scripture. For a large book where God is the central figure, mentioned over 10,000 times by name and title, there is not one single unambiguous verse or passage anywhere that tells us God is a three person god.
Isaiah 42:8 I am the LORD: that is my NAME: 👉and my GLORY will I NOT GIVE to ANOTHER👈, neither my praise to graven images. KJV Deuteronomy 31:16-18 And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the 👉gods👈 of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and BREAK MY COVENANT which I have MADE WITH them. Then my ANGER shall be kindled against them in that day, and I will forsake them, 👉and I will hide my FACE FROM them👈, and they shall be devoured, and many evils and troubles shall befall them; so that they will say in that day, Are not these evils come upon us, because our God is not among us? 👉And I will surely HIDE my FACE 👈 in that day for all the evils which they shall have wrought, in that they are turned unto other 👉gods👈. KJV 2 Corinthians 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God 👉in the FACE of Jesus Christ.👈 KJV John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have 👉SEEN👈 him. KJV John 12:44-45 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, BELIEVETH NOT on me, 👉but on him that sent me.👈 👉And he that seeth me SEETH him that SENT me.👈 KJV Hebrews 1:3-4 Who being the brightness of his glory, 👉and the 👉express image👈 of his person👈, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent 👉name👈 than they. KJV A Trinitarian may mention: John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. KJV Well question: Is there more than one King and or Potentate? 1 Timothy 6:14-16 14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: 15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and ONLY Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. K.J.V Look at (1 Timothy 6:16 K.J.V) “Who only hath immortality” Jesus is the only one who have immortality according to (1 Timothy 6:16 K.J.V). Question: Oh what does that do for God the Father And the Holy Spirit; if Jesus is the only one with immortality? If God the Father and the Holy Spirit are 2 separate distinct persons from Jesus Christ as you Trinitarins say then God the Father and the Holy Spirit does not have immortality. Well we just read (1 Timothy 6:14-16 K.J.V) the CONTEXT there of who only have immortality is Jesus Christ. 1 Timothy 6:16 Who only hath immortality, 👉dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.👈 K.J.V What is that “LIGHT”? (A Soul) Who is that no man have seen? (That would be God the Father.) Jesus dwells in that light very interesting and Jesus only has immortality and Jesus is the blessed and only potentate.
The holy spirit is given to the believers to help them to boldly be witnesses of the gospel of Jesus christ, and gives (spiritual gifts) knowledge, spiritual wisdom, and, and, and to do the will of God.
•“ALL THINGS that the Father hath are mine:” see (John 16:15 KJV) •“Jesus therefore, KNOWING ALL THINGS that should come upon him...” see (John 18:4 KJV) •“...answered and said... ALL THINGS are delivered unto me of my Father:” see (Matthew 11:27 KJV) •“His disciples said unto him... now are we sure that THOU KNOWEST ALL THINGS,” see (John 16:29-30) Christ Jesus rebuked them not, but said concerning his return, •“Of that day and that hour knoweth no man(Numbers 23:19), no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the son(Revelation 21:7-8), but the Father(Matthew 11:27, John 5:46-47, John 14:10-11, John 12:44-45, Deut 32:6-7, Malachi 1:6, Malachi 2:10, John 8:24).” Mark 13:32 [32]But of that day and that hour knoweth 👉no man👈, no, not the angels which are in heaven, 👉neither the Son👈, but the Father. KJV For in truth, no son of God knoweth, no man knoweth, only the Father. •Jesus Christ, “my Lord AND my God”(John 20:28), the Holy One of Israel(Isaiah 43:15, Mark 1:24), the God of Israel(Isaiah 45:15), the Savior of the World, the everlasting FATHER(Isaiah 9:6) and Lord of Glory(1 Cor 2:8) knows. Don’t be deceived... He knows! Jesus said, •“These things have I spoken unto you IN PROVERBS: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you PLAINLY of the Father.” see (John 16:25 KJV) •“If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, AND HAVE SEEN HIM.” see (John 14:7 KJV) •“And because I tell you the truth, YE BELIEVE ME NOT. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.” see (John 8:45-47 KJV) •“Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe ALL that the prophets have spoken:” see (Like 24:25 KJV) •“Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of ME.” see (John5:39 KJV) •“Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.” See (Matthew 22:29 KJV) •“Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.” see (1 Corinthians 1:24 KJV) •“In the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God,” see (1 Corinthians 1:21 KJV)
One Lord. One God. One Savior. One Spirit. One person. One name: our great God and Savior Jesus Christ. ============== "Looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ" (Titus 2:13). ============== If you respond here, I will explain the incarnation, and how God is One. Until Christ is fully formed in us all, -james
“A unipersonal God wouldn’t be loving until that God created other beings” on this view “power comes before love”. We need to differentiate between attributes and actions. Was God powerful (attribute) before he created (action)? Was God forgiving (attribute) before he forgave(action)? Could God love that which was not yet created? You have to be very confident/bold to say “you couldn’t say God is love except for a triune God” even there is only small chance God is unipersonal and said this. I would be careful to tell God what he can’t say to be coherent. All that said I’m glad people are having open conversations about this topic.
A question to all unitarians: if your God is love who did he love millions of years before he created Jesus? Only himself. ? In which aspect does your God differ from Islams God?
My acceptance of Christianity was less about the Cross and more about the Triune God. I grew up in a Christian home, so “Christ died for you” became like the wallpaper. Once I understood what the Church meant by praying “In the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” and not the “names”, once I studied the three relations within the Godhead, the less non-trinitarian theology made sense, whether it was with the Liberal Protestant tradition, the Unitarians, Islam, or theism/deism. When one plunges into the biblical theology and how the early Church made use of philosophy to speak about God and dialectic to defend the biblical witness, faith in the Risen Lord flooded by heart and life.
What is the name of the father? Jehovah, what is the name of God's son? Jesus, which means Jehovah is salvation. Christianity means anointed one, who anointed him? His Father Jehovah. What is the name of the holy spirit? It doesn't have one because it's not a person, but God's power.
The trinity is just a CONVENTIONAL doctrine based on some statements in the gospels. The bishops of Nicaea had to decide whether Jesus was God or just his Son. Jesus said "he who has seen me has seen the Father" "I am in the Father and the Father in me" and claimed to be the "King of heaven". The bishops thus decided that "Jesus must be as divine as the Father". But Jesus further said that a blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is more serious that blasphemy against Himself. The bishops thought "no doubt, the Holy Spirit must also be a divine person". You thus get three "Gods". Since three "Gods" are not allowed because it would mean having polytheism, the bishops said "they appear to be three but actually they are ONE, we call it "mystery of the faith", for the common herd is more than enough". This is how that bogus theory was issued by the councils. The error in all that is the bishops didn't realize that the "Spirit of God" (the Holy Spirit) simply is "God who is a spirit" (Jn.4:24) i.e. once again a manifestation of the same God, not a third divine person. Indeed you can see in the gospels that no third divine person exists with Father and Son: the Holy Spirit is again the Father.
I used to be a Trinitarian in one of the world’s largest religious denominations for 53 years and taught and raised my own family the same for 18 years. I continued in this false teaching right up until the day God had mercy on me and sent me the Holy Spirit who led me into all the truth (John 16:13). What does the Spirit have to say about this pagan triune god called the trinity? If you have eyes to see and ears to hear, listen: “At that same time Jesus was filled with the joy of the Holy Spirit, and he said, “O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, thank you for HIDING THESE THINGS FROM THOSE WHO THINK THEMSELVES WISE AND CLEVER, and for REVEALING THEM TO THE CHILDLIKE. Yes, Father, it pleased you to do it this way.” (Luke 10:21) “Truly I tell you,” He said, “unless you change and become like little children, you will NEVER ENTER the kingdom of heaven.” (Matt. 18:3) Now, remember that show, “Are you smarter than a 5th grader”? Anyone here smarter than a 5th grader? Let’s find out. The topic is based on the doctrine of the Trinity. This doctrine declares the Godhead is triune being comprised of Father, Son and Holy Spirit who are “co-equal” with each other and “are all God”. Without being a bible scholar or having to twist scripture, this is really quite simple. Ready to play? Elementary 5th grade reading and basic 2nd grade math show us the truth of this matter; hence being like a child just like our Lord said: Open your Bible, go to the gospel of John and read the following verses for yourself: John 1:1-3. Now do the basic math. How many God beings do you count? 2 or 3? Having established that both the Father and the Son are God from what you just read, now read the following verses: John 5:17, 5:19, 5:20, 5:21, 5:22, 5:23, 5:26, 5:30, 5:36, 8:28, 12:50, 10:30, 14:6, 14:23, 14:28, 15:10, 17:3, 17:5, Rom. 1:1, Rom. 1:27, 1 Cor. 1:3, 1 Cor. 1:9, 1 Cor. 8:6-7, 1 Cor. 15:27-28, 2 Cor. 1:2-3, Eph. 1:2, 5:20, Philip. 1:2, Col. 1:3, 1 Thess. 1:3, 2 Thess. 1:2, Phil. 1:3, Heb. 1:8-13, 1 Peter 1:3, 2 Peter 1:2, 1 John 1:3, 1: John 5:20, 2 John 1:3, 2 John 1:9, Rev. 3:12, 7:10, 21:22-23. Now do the basic math. How many God beings do you count? 2 or 3? Those who consider themselves wise or smarter than a 5th grader, tell me, where in this world does 1 + 1 =3? The Spirit can keep going on with many more verses just like this. If you have the humility to be honest with yourself and what you just read, you will see the plain truth and the trinity doctrine is debunked. If the Holy Spirit was in fact God, why was he left out of all those verses? What happened to being co-equal? Little children truly believe in Santa Claus in all sincerity up until the day they discover the ugly truth of the matter, right? This isn’t any different. Why anyone continue to believe in a lie after the preponderance of overwhelming evidence? So now that you have read and seen the truth for yourself, do you still believe in the false trinity doctrine or are you not smarter than a 5th grader? If you failed this test, go to your Bible and read John 8:47. Another biblical fact: Nowhere in the Bible does it say that the Holy Spirit is God. Nowhere! Christ also said, “the Father is greater than I” (John 14:28). Clearly Christ by his very statement said they are NOT co-equal? This totally scotches the doctrine of the trinity that claims the Father, Son and Spirit are co-equal. Who would dare call Christ a liar? Sheer foolishness! How can anyone believe in the false doctrine of the trinity after reading the gospel of John? The gospel of John and other books of the Bible clearly testify that the doctrine of the triune god is a lie (John 1:1-3). The word “trinity” isn’t even written anywhere in the Bible, why would anyone believe it? The world foolishly says about the Spirit of God that he is “God the Spirit”. Christ tells us that “God IS spirit” (John 4:24). Do you see how foolish this is already? Why does God need a Spirit if he already IS spirit? It is the Spirit of God. The word “OF” being paramount as the Spirit belongs to God and Christ; the word “OF” denotes possession/ownership. They own it and they sent it (John 16:15) Don’t know who the Holy Spirit is? Simple, read John 1:51 and Hebrews 1:7, 1:14, and Psalm 104:4. There is our Helper in plain sight yet most are so blinded by the years of false teaching and lies they can’t see the truth. Angel of the Lord, Angel of God, Spirit of God, the Spirit of the Lord, the Spirit = Holy Spirit. Paul cautioned us about false humility and the worship of angles (Col. 2:18). The Holy Spirit warned John twice in the Book of Revelation that he should not be worshiped (Rev. 19:10, 22:8-9). Let’s really simplify this: If a fallen angel is a demon spirit that belongs to Satan, then an angel of God can only be what? A Holy Spirit because he belongs to God who is holy (Lev. 11:44, 1 Peter 1:16). Think about it, if the Holy Spirit is a single 3rd person of the Godhead, how is it even possible we can we all have it? See how foolish this is already? Do I get the Holy Spirit today and borrow him to you tomorrow? How foolish this world’s wisdom is. The answer is found again in Matthew 18:10 for it is written: “Beware that you don't look down on any of these little ones. For I tell you that in heaven THEIR ANGELS are always in the presence of my heavenly Father.” (Matt. 18:10). The words “their angels” (Holy Spirit) shows ownership. The Holy Spirit for each one of us was not sent until Christ came into his glory (John 7:39). Let the Bible explain itself, it's quite simple and straightforward. The teaching is very simple without having to twist scripture and believe in something that just isn't there like the word “trinity”. Biblical truth is based on the word of God. It’s time to unlearn one of the greatest lies of so called “modern Christianity”. Believe in what Christ said and taught. Believe in what is actually and clearly written in the word of God and not in the invented mythology or eisegesis of men. Get this, if you are worshiping the pagan invented god known as the “trinity”, you will never, ever receive the Holy Spirit (Acts 5:32) as you are breaking the 1st Commandment. “that their hearts may be encouraged, being KNIT together in love, and attaining to all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the knowledge of the mystery of God, BOTH of the FATHER AND OF CHRIST, IN WHOM are hidden ALL the treasures of WISDOM and KNOWLEDGE.” (Col. 2:2-3 NKJV). Whom has ALL the treasures of wisdom and knowledge as you just read? The Father and Christ. How many God beings do you count? 2 or 3? Lay down your pride and what you think you know about God and the Bible and unlearn the lies. Repent and let God teach you. Unless you become like a child, you will never enter the Kingdom of God. Forget what you think you know as the Lord has sent me to reveal the simplicity of his teaching in spirit and truth. Now let’s read Proverbs 30:4 together: “Who has ascended into heaven, or descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has bound the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is HIS name, and what is HIS SON’S name, If you know? Now, how many God beings do you count? 2 or 3? “Every word of God is pure; He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him. Do not add to His word., Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.” (Pro. 30:5-6) The word “trinity” is added to His word. Who is the liar? If today you hear his voice, harden not your heart! Repent for the Kingdom of God is near!
What I found ridiculous is the way the verse about being like children was used here.... That isn't exactly what Jesus meant. We aren't to be immature, instead, we must rely on God with a childlike trust. I am also curious how you explain Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost". If the Holy Spirit is an angel as said in your discourse, why should we baptize people in his name? The Holy Spirit too is omnipresent, like God (and is God, but is also separate), so I dont know where the idea of it not being omnipresent came from. In the book of acts when the Spirit came upon the disciples they were all in the spirit. 1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance. 5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. 6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. 7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? 8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? 9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, 10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, 11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. 12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this? 13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine. 14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: 15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. The people around didnt just think one of the disciples were drunk, they said "they", so multiple people were filled with the Holy Spirit. The Spirit is much more than just some angel. Also, the word Trinity not being in the Bible doesn't change the concept of the Trinity, you can call it something else, it is still the same thing. The word Jehovah wasn't added into the Bible until the 1500s, and everybody uses that.
@@Zachary-h1l Go back to the intro of the comment, I didn't say anything friend, I speak as the Spirit allows. “But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men.” “Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I tell you? (Luke 6:46) Christ and the Bible tell us exactly who the Holy Spirit is repeatedly in the Bible, yet many don’t truly believe what he said or have the “eyes” to see it. It is not in some hidden explanation or meaning, but in plain sight as it is written: “You know about Jesus of Nazareth and how God POURED OUT ON HIM the Holy Spirit and POWER. He went everywhere, doing good and healing all who were under the power of the Devil, for God was WITH HIM.” (Acts 10:38) And Christ said, “The SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS UPON ME,” (Luke 4:18) These statements are going to totally corroborate Christ’s next statement of fact and prove without a shadow of doubt who and what the Holy Spirit is for it is written: “Jesus answered and said to him, “Because I said to you, ‘I saw you under the fig tree,’ do you believe? You will see greater things than these.” .”And he said to them, “I am telling you the truth: you will see heaven open and GOD’s ANGELS GOING UP and COMING DOWN on the Son of Man.” (John 1:51) What did Christ say was upon him: the ANGELS, the Spirit of the Lord, Spirit of God - the Holy Spirit. The very next chapter begins the first miracle Christ performs in Cana and all the miracles of healing that subsequently occurred thereafter. Again, in Christ’s very words he also said this for it is written: “See that you don't despise any of these little ones. THEIR ANGELS IN HEAVEN, I tell you, are always in the presence of my Father in heaven.” (Matthew 18:10) Christ uses the possessive pronoun “their” as a sign of ownership for all who believe in the One who sent him. Christ sent God's Spirit (the holy angels/spirit assigned to each of those who are to receive salvation; Heb. 1:14) once he had ascended and returned to his Father (John 7:39). Christ tells us who the Holy Spirit is again here in Mark 13:32 for it is written: "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the ANGELS which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." (Mark 13:32 KJV) Note: the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. "If you are ashamed of me and of my teaching, then the Son of Man will be ashamed of you when he comes in HIS GLORY and in the GLORY OF THE Father AND of the HOLY ANGELS." (Luke 9:26) Note: the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. …..”In the presence of my Father and of HIS ANGELS I will declare openly that they belong to me.” (Rev 3:5) Note: the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. “Then he said to me, “These words are faithful and true.” And the Lord God of the holy prophets sent His ANGEL to SHOW HIS SERVANTS the things which MUST SHORTLY TAKE PLACE.” (Rev. 22:6) Christ said something very similar in John 16:13 for it is written: “When, however, the Spirit comes, who reveals the truth ABOUT God, he will lead you into all the truth. He will NOT SPEAK ON HIS OWN AUTHORITY, but he will speak of what he hears and WILL TELL YOU OF THE THINGS TO COME.” (John 16:13). “What are the ANGELS, then? They ARE SPIRITS WHO SERVE GOD and are SENT by him to HELP THOSE WHO ARE TO RECEIVE SALVATION.” (Heb. 1:14) There is the Helper that Christ said He would send! The Holy Spirit! Spirit of God! Spirit of the Lord! So plain yet the world is so blind to see it by believing in man-made myths and theology instead of the true word of God. Paul tells us who the Holy Spirit is for it is written: "In the presence of GOD of CHRIST JESUS and of the HOLY ANGELS I solemnly call upon you to obey these instructions without showing any prejudice or favor to anyone in anything you do”. (1 Timothy 5:21) Note: the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Now go back to Acts for it is written: “And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to SPEAK WITH OTHER TOUNGES, as the Spirit gave them utterance.” (Acts 2:4) And Paul wrote this about the Holy Spirit for it is written: “Though I speak with the tongues of men AND OF ANGELS,” (1 Cor. 13:1) “For he who SPEAKS IN A TOUNGE DOES NOT SPEAK TO MEN, BUT TO GOD, FOR NO ONE UNDERSTANDS HIM; however, in the SPIRIT he speaks mysteries.” (1 Cor 14:2) Now go to the Book of Psalms for it is written; “Who makes HIS ANGELS SPIRITS, HIS MINISTERS A FLAME OF FIRE.” (Psalm 104:22) “And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty WIND and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. Then THERE APPEARED to them DIVIDED TOUNGES, AS OF FIRE, and ONE SAT UPON EACH OF THEM”. (Acts 2:2-3) Throughout the gospels, Christ was casting out fallen angels (demon spirits) from people. You have evil spirits who obey and do the work of Satan (the ones who were cast out) or holy spirits who obey and do the will of God (the ones who stayed in heaven and do the will of God) for it is written: “Praise the Lord, you strong and MIGHTY ANGLES, who obey his commands, who listen to what he says. Praise the Lord, all you HEAVENLY POWERS you SERVANTS of his, who DO HIS WILL!” (Psalms 103:20-21). If Satan uses his servants to inhabit and possess people to do all the evil that exists in the world today (turn the TV on), do you think God isn’t powerful to do the same with his holy angels to protect and defend his people? Paul was inspired to write: “ For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against EVIL RULERS and authorities of the UNSEEN WORLD, against MIGHTY POWERS in this dark world, and against EVIL SPIRTS in the heavenly places.” (Eph. 6:12) Now to understand what the power of the Holy Spirit is, you have to read John 5:4 for it is written: “For an ANGEL went down at a certain season INTO the pool, and TROUBLED the water: WHOSEVER then FIRST after the troubling of the water stepped in was made WHOLE of WHATSOEVER DISEASE he had.” (John 5:4) Understand, only ONE person was healed after the angel troubled the water. The holy angels have the power to heal only one person at a time which corroborates the statement of fact Christ made in John 1:51 as the holy angels (Spirit of God) would ascend and descend upon him giving him the power to perform miracles and healing (power would go out from him). God’s power, the delivered by the holy angels (Holy Spirit) was working through Christ for it is written: “All the people tried to touch him, for POWER WAS GOING OUT FROM HIM and HEALING them all.” (Luke 6:19) “One day when Jesus was teaching, some Pharisees and teachers of the Law were sitting there who had come from every town in Galilee and Judea and from Jerusalem. The POWER of the Lord WAS PRESENT for Jesus to HEAL the sick”. (Luke 5:17) "But Jesus said, “Someone touched me, for I knew it when POWER WENT OUT OF ME.” (Luke 8:46) “So the prophecy of Isaiah applies to them: ‘This people will listen and listen, but not understand; they will look and look, but not see,” (Matt. 13:14)
Now moving on to Matthew 28:19. The verse was added. How do we know this? Christ tells us that “scripture cannot be broken” (John 10:35). Read the very next verse as it is written: “and TEACH THEM TO OBEY EVERYTHING I HAVE COMMANDED YOU.” (Matt. 28:20). Now in the Book of Acts, why did the all the apostles not obey and ignored this very command given by Christ as written in Matthew 28:19? What do you know about being mikveh (baptized) in the 1st century? One was baptized in the name of their rabbi as it is written: "Peter said to them, “Each one of you MUST TURN AWAY from your SINS AND BE BAPTIZED in THE NAME OF YESHUA THE MESSIAH, so that your SINS WILL BE FORGIVEN; and you WILL RECEIVE God's GIFT, the Holy Spirit." (Acts 2:38 CJB). If Yeshua the Messiah actually had given His disciples the trinitarian order of baptism after His resurrection; then according to the Bible (Matt. 28:20), they all disobeyed His direct order/command and baptized everyone incorrectly. How is that even possible? The New Testament knows only one baptism which is in the name of Yeshua the Messiah (Acts 2:38; 8:16; 10:43; 19:5; Gal. 3:27; Rom. 6:3), which still occurs even in the second and third centuries, while the trinitarian formula occurs only once in Matthew 28:19. Now let’s look at the baptism command Christ gave in the gospel of Luke: “Then he opened their minds, so that they could understand the Tanakh, telling them, “Here is what it says: the Messiah is to suffer and to rise from the dead on the third day; and IN HIS NAME repentance leading to forgiveness of sins is to be proclaimed to people from all nations, starting with Yerushalayim.” (Luke 24:45-47 CJB). Note: Repentance and the forgiveness of sins is done through baptism (Acts 2:38) This command perfectly lines up with Acts 2:38, 8:16; 10:43; 19:5; Gal. 3:27; Rom. 6:3. The contradicting verse (Matt. 28:19) added by the Catholic Church to the Bible when it was translated creates an obvious conflict in the text as Christ tells us that scripture cannot be broken (John 10:35). And all that Christ said is faithful and true for it is written: “So the prophecy of Isaiah applies to them: ‘This people will listen and listen, but not understand; they will look and look, but not see,” (Matt. 13:14) The written truth can do only one thing for those who believe - set you free (John 8:32)
@@lcenteno262 The Holy Spirit is identified as one being in the Bible, not as all the angels. John 15:26-27 says “When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me, and you will testify also, because you have been with Me from the beginning.” Notice that the Holy Spirit is called "He". "He" is a personal pronoun. Acts 13:2 says “While they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, ‘Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.’" This shows that the Holy Spirit has a will of his own. 1 Corinthians 2:10-11 “For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.” Notice the Spirit is the only being that knows the thoughts of God. Angels don't know the thoughts of God. Ephesians 4:30 states “Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.” The Holy Spirit has emotions. 1 Corinthians 12:11. “But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills.” The Greek word for "will" in this statement is "boulomai". Matthew 11:27 says Jesus has a "boulomai" will. Hebrews 16:17 tells us that the Father has a "boulomai" will. Romans 8:2: “For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.” The Spirit is a Spirit of life. Only God is the giver of spiritual life. Isaiah 40:13-14. “Who has directed the Spirit of the Lord, or as His counselor has informed Him? With whom did He consult and who gave Him understanding? And who taught Him in the path of justice and taught Him knowledge and informed Him of the way of understanding?” Here is stated the the Spirit is omniscient, all-knowing, like God. Psalm 139:7-8. “Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence? If I ascend to heaven, You are there. If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there.” Here the Spirit is said to be omnipresent, like God. Nehemiah 9:20 says, “You gave your good Spirit to instruct them.” And Psalm 143:10 says, “Teach me to do Your will, for You are my God; let your good Spirit lead me on level ground.” Here the Spirit is said to be good. Jesus says in Mark 10:18 “Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.’” In Hebrews 9:14 “How much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?” Here the Spirit is said to be eternal, again an attribute of God. 1 Samuel 2:2 “There is no one holy like the Lord, indeed, there is no one besides You.” The Holy Spirit is called holy, "holy" being in it's name. In John 14:16-17, Jesus says, “I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; that is the Spirit of truth.” The Spirit speaks truth, and according to Hebrews 6:18 it is impossible for God to lie. So the Spirit is truth, another attribute of God. 2 Peter 1:21 says, “For no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.” Here the Holy Spirit is identified with God. 2 Corinthians 3:17-18 says, “Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.” Here the Spirit is called Lord multiple times. The word for "Lord" in the Septuagint is "Yahweh", which God called himself at the burning bush. The Greek translation of "Yahweh" is "Kyrios". "Kyrios" used used to describe Jesus in multiple places, but in 2 Corinthians 3:17-18 "Kyrios" is used for the Holy Spirit. 1 Corinthians 3:16. “Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?” Here the Spirit is called the "Spirit of God", dwelling in us as does God. Acts 5:3-5 tells us this: “But Peter said, ‘Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.” Here it is shown that lying to the Spirit is equivalent to lying to God. It is quite clear that the Holy Spirit is God.
@@lcenteno262 Also Peter in Acts 2:38 doesn't necessarily disobey Jesus' commission in Matthew 28:19 because if Jesus is God, and God is the Holy Spirit, they are all one.
It was woefully neglected in the preaching of the apostles in the Book of Acts too!! In fact we could say that God himself (not themselves) neglected to unambigously declare it anywhere in the Bible. A great oversight.
THANK YOU JOHN PIPER!!! FINALLY! I'm SO TIRED of listening to speeches about our God, the One and Only God Who Is a Triune God and Yet all I ever hear talked about are only of the Two First Persons, NEVER the 3rd Person which is ABSURD being that, that's what "Triune" stands for, 3! Yet Only the Father and Son are Who everyone ever talks about Most as a rule. DRIVES ME MAD So FINALLY, (I'm glad I waited it out) at the Very End John Piper calls attention to the Holy Spirit! About time!! To Don, true that the Father never "Submits" out of Obedience to Please His Son, However, He DOES Please Him, just as the Son has Pleased the Father and as the Holy Spirit has also, as He with the Son also Please each other so Also the Father is Joint ONE in this whole dynamic of PLEASING each other, because that Is the LOVE of God Expressed Before man-kind. Because the Father Loves His Son... (John 3:35). He, the Father Gave ALL, Everyone, And ALL AUTHORITY to Him, His Son. They're Like a Complete Full Circle, that EQUALLY goes around and around.
If God is a Trinity, then call them "They". Quit calling God "Him" if you think they are a Trinity. Calling a Triune God "Him" is just as bad as, worse, than the sexual and gender pronoun confusion.
If ONLY a three person God is love, then why does the Bible tells us the Father is love? The one who does not love does not know God, for GOD is love. By this the love of God was manifested in us, that GOD has sent HIS only begotten Son into the world so that we might live through Him. 1 John 4:8-9. That would be the Father there, one person who is love. Saying that only the Triune God is love is a lie which contradicts Scripture.
The greatest love there is would be to lay down your OWN life for your friends, not sacrifice someone else for your friends. So either the father is the son, or someone else loves us more than the father.
The Prophet Moses was considered a G_d before the Pharaoh. Does that mean that he is or was G_d the Creator? Absolutely NOT! likewise with the Messiah when he came to this earth with a different purpose..... if he was called G_d by those who understood that the all Patriarchs were called “gods” or Elohim like Phillip told the Messiah? So, what's the difference??? The big difference is that even the Messiah himself knew that he wasn't the Creator Almighty being. That title and the exclusive worship belongs only to His father and the father only. Luke 4:8 This concept confused so many people that only understood "idolatry" distorting the Scriptures. Worshiping so called "Jesus" is considered idolatry by defenition and agaisnt the Commandment of the Eloyim. Repent wicked generation! turn away from idolatry. " The LORD answered Moses, "See I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and Aaron your brother will be your prophet." Exodus 7:1 Psalms 82:1-6 The Messiah called his father the "true God" not him. John 17:3 The Messiah was prophesied to be like Moses as a prophet and Savior like Moses, the only big difference is that the Messiah will deliver his people from eternal damnation and Moses delivered his people from idolatry and slavery. Deuteronomy 18:15, 18 So if Moses was considered a G_d before the Pharaoh, why couldn't the Messiah be considered a G-d before kings? Once again, this didn't make Moses or the Messiah the Almighty Elohym to receive worship in any way, shape or form. This act will be considered idolatry for lack of knowledge or ignorance. But ignorance doesn't justify sin of idolatry. The doctrine of the trinity or triune godhead was originated from the Vatican in 325AD first council of Nicea. The Romans were idolaters and worship more than one god and integrated their beliefs into Christianity.They were pagans. Do you follow their example??
This doctrine the born again ones can enjoy most because it comes from the bible and it is alive. In the conversion process the Father gives us this truth and it comes all together with the faith of the Son of God.
The true church must teach that God and Jesus are separate individuals - Heb. 1:3, Acts 7:55-56, John 17:11 & 20:17 The true church must teach that God and Jesus have bodies of flesh and bone - Luke 24:36-51, Acts 1:9-11 Fraudulent Trinitarian doctrine intentionally inserted into Bible (1 John 5:7-8). These two verses are missing from original Greek and Hebrew texts, nor are they found in the original 1611 printing of King James Bible. Many newer Bibles are now being printed without them. Think about the impact this single, intentional, and very critical corruption of doctrine has had on the entire Christian world for centuries.
Matthew 27:37 And set up over his head his accusation written, THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS. K.J.V Is there more than one King and or Potentate? 1 Timothy 6:14-16 14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: 15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and ONLY Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. K.J.V Look at (1 Timothy 6:16 K.J.V) “Who only hath immortality” Jesus is the only one who have immortality according to (1 Timothy 6:16 K.J.V). Question: Oh what does that do for God the Father And the Holy Spirit; if Jesus is the only one with immortality? If God the Father and the Holy Spirit are 2 separate distinct persons from Jesus Christ as you Trinitarins say then God the Father and the Holy Spirit does not have immortality. Well we just read (1 Timothy 6:14-16 K.J.V) the CONTEXT there of who only have immortality is Jesus Christ. 1 Timothy 6:16 Who only hath immortality, 👉dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.👈 K.J.V What is that “LIGHT”? (A Soul) Who is that no man have seen? (That would be God the Father.) Jesus dwells in that light very interesting and Jesus only has immortality and Jesus is the blessed and only potentate.
I'm deeply saddened people don't believe in Holy Spirit as the Triune God. As someone already said here, In Matthew 28:19-20 (KJV) "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" And in Acts 5:3-4 "But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God." So whats not clear? What you dont get? Our Triune God, Father, Jesus and Holy Spirit. Our Triune God that we deeply need in our life. Glorify Thy Name!
+The Trinity Delusion Amen!! To those who are blind to the truth and believe a lie, I say "Truthful lips endure forever, but a lying tongue lasts only a moment." Proverbs 12:19. God's truth always prevail.
+Tyler Patrick Shanabrook I'm guessing you think Jesus is speaking about himself, and the left must be himself as well and the right must be his father at a later time but as himself... This is why I know people don't read bibles
Old TGC is incredible. May God grant you guys the ability to come back to the sweetness of this more and more centrally, with a clear masculine archetype in the God who reveals himself as a "He' to a humanity he wants to reflect both a corporately "feminine" relationship to his masculinity and origination, and an imitative "masculine" patriarchal shape in its social family organizations as a Bride of biblically mostly male-led masculine and feminine covenant households.
Question, which of the 7 holy spirit that stood in front of the throne of the lamb, is to you this God you say he is.?the holy spirit is the messenger to the world, to reveal Jesus christ to us only. Bless you all.
@brettspearman3706 As you probably know "echad" is the Hebrew word for "one". If you were counting in Hebrew echad is the number one. In Deut 6:4 "echad" is simply "one". At Gen 2:24 "echad" is still "one". We have the same in English, the crowd rose as one. When we use one to describe a untied group with the same will and purpose we need to know who or what that is to be one in order to understand its use.. There is no such qualification at Deut 6:4. therefor a plural God cannot be read into the use of "echad" in this verse.
'One' does not mean solitude or something like that. Man and woman in marriage are one, even today we use words like ' one family, one team, one country'. One does not mean solitude. And the word God used when He said He is One, "echad", is also used for the man and woman coming together in marriage. So why does when God use it, the word suddenly means solitude?
He told me... I've never heard this word before. I'm seeking God any way I can, so I asked God to reveal himself and the Holy Spirit came and told me. I know it's right! I just wanna know the details of the real trying God.
In John 17:3, Jesus calls his Father, "the only true God." Jesus only claimed to be God's Son. (John 10:36) Philippians 2:6 says that Jesus “did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,” (ESV) showing that Jesus was not equal to God. In John 20:17, the resurrected Jesus told Mary, "Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’" Jesus only claimed to be God’s son. When Jesus asked his disciples in Matthew 16:15, “Who do you say I am?”, Simon Peter correctly answered in verse 16: “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
That first talker joking? This is the one hurdle that stopped me from slapping the Christian label on me. It's a lot to sacrifice to squeeze into the monotheistic banner
God became man just once, the incarnation. Now the LOGOS is once again, ONE with the Father in Spirit. (glorified, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent) Every discussion on the triune Godhead, like this one, everyone is incorrectly thinking 3-dimensional, time and space. Try to think in terms of consciousness instead of location and see if it becomes much clearer. God is not sitting literally on a 3-dimentional throne. Those were visions to help us conceive the infinite and divine with our finite brains. Jesus does not really have a sword coming out of His mouth, and He does not wear a rob He drenched in blood, and no tattoo on His thigh saying, “the word of God.” 1 Timothy 6:14-16 (NKJV) 14 that you keep this commandment without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ's appearing, 15 which He will manifest in His own time, He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen.
On a completely different non-trinity topic, I couldn't help but laugh at the way this video is edited. Watch how the editor is mostly interested in what John Piper is doing. You get these unsettling long footages of Piper's face while He watches and listens to the others, with clogs and wheels turning. The editor is like, "I wonder what John Piper is thinking about what this other guy is saying..."
13:45 does god ever act as servant of holy ghost or jesus? no never because he is god. jesus is messenger and there is no such thing as ghost. god does not need ghost
@douglasarnold5310 God is the complete being. He does not need others to love even though "God is love". They would also need to believe that God had to learn justice after the rebellion in Eden.
What I can't understand in some religions is that they believe their God " No One like him " , while he is One like all what he creates ( Sun, moon, people, animals, trees , Lucifer .... ) ! How No One like him and he's One like all what he creates ! That's why " Trinity " is the Logic ! No one like the " Trinity " !!!
There is no trinity to understand. Drop all myths and trust the Word of God without adding to it. It's critical for your salvation. Remember, there are many more tares than wheat. Both groups are believers.
@@riikerman LOL. Do you believe everything man comes up with? Less than 300 years after the Bible was completed, a trinitarian writer added to 1 John 5:7 the words “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” That statement did not appear in the original text. “From the sixth century onwards,” notes Bible scholar Bruce Metzger, those words were “found more and more frequently in manuscripts of the Old Latin and the Vulgate.” Study!
I love these guys but disagree with their take on the social Trinity. Jesus' subordination to the Father is a volunteering submission of a fully equal divine person of the Trinity. This is what makes it so beautiful. It is not just an obedient son, but one who is fully mature with His own will in which He, in love, surrenders to the Father's will because He loves the Father. Without seeing this, you will never understand correctly Paul's statement about women being submitted to their husbands. It is not a submission based on "less than" or because "He is the Man" or because that is the man's role or because, etc. When a woman is fully mature, she can lay down her own will for her husband whom she loves. The power struggle is gone. She refuses to fight because she knows who she is (in Christ). In fact, it makes her more beautiful. She takes no hit to her dignity, but her dignity is exalted by the very act of surrender. The system these three men are using to describe the Trinity is a hierarchical system that when applied to humanity, makes for hierarchical relationships, and we've all seen how that has worked.
Good things mentioned here. It is Gods great right to hide His nature from those who would reject His truth. Those that defend oneness theology never satisfactorily address the way John makes distinctions in his gospel regarding the beautiful relationship Christ had with His Father. All they do is dig up a multitude of verses about God is one which is a broken record. We don’t deny God is one, the same way we don’t deny a man and his wife are one. It is so true that when these persons of the triune godhead are glopped into one, then the rest of doctrines goes haywire where you get legalistic teaching, baptismal regeneration, having to have evidence of tounges to confirm salvation. Once the godhead is accepted by faith the flow of understanding doctrine comes. God help us to accept the nature of God without having to figure it out with our fallen thoughts. The god of oneness theology if he did exist would be pretty lonely before anyone was created. I am glad that the godhead had tremendous fellowship one with another before anything or anyone else was made. We have a tremendous God that is past finding out. And we are invited into that fellowship. Amen Praise God for the gospel of John sharing these truths with us that coincides with Old Testament truths too.
The guy in the middle I think John where in the Bible anyone worship the Holy Spirit like God the Father and his Son. I’m not talking about worshipping God in spirit but worshipping the Holy Spirit
Genesis story of creation in the beginning God created, and the spirit of God moved upon the surface, John writes in the beginning was the word and the word was WITH GOD AND THE WORD WAS GOD. the word was the agent of creation. How can you be with someone and be someone with out being one and three
Furthermore, we know that the Father is God (obviously), we know that Jesus claimed to be and is God (John 1:1, Mark 14:62, John 8:58), and we know that the Holy Spirit is God (For example, in the book of Acts, Peter says that Ananias lied to God when he had just said that he lied to the Holy Spirit).
The title is misleading. It should be, "Defending the idea of a Triune God, Trinity." And, in the conversation it is said clearly that without a Triune God, the universe fall apart. This shows the truth that Trinity only can be defended by those who regardless of its existence believe in it but cannot be explain it. The truth is it was an invented idea centuries after Jesus (God's peace be upon him). None of the Old Testament prophets mentioned Trinity, and so assume they missed on it is a blasphemy in it self.
John 1 1 in the beginning was THE WORD and THE WORD was with GOD(The Father) and The WORD was God(The Father)...Isaiah 9 6 behold the Lord will give you a sign a virgin shall conceive and bare a son and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor mighty God and Eternal Father!... and the word was God!.... rev. 19 12He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is The Word of God. 14The armies of heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and pure, follow Him on white horses.…
John 1:1 does not speak of a three-persons-in-one-God Trinity (Father is God, Son is God, Holy Spirit is God yet they are not three Gods but one God with all three persons co-eternal and co-equal). It only speaks of God and the Word. There are two occurrences of the Greek noun "theos" (god) in this verse. The first theos is preceded by the definite article "ho". When the noun has a definite article, it points to a distinct identity, in this case Almighty God. However, the second "theos", referring to the Word, does not have the definite article. Many scholars agree that the fact that the second theos does not have a definite article means that the word “theos” in this case does not point to the identity of the Word but rather to a characteristic or quality of the Word, that the Word is "divine", "a god", “god-like”, but not the same as “ho theos”. Several modern Bible versions translate the final part of John 1:1 as “the Word was divine,” “the Logos was divine,” “a god was the Word,” or “the Word was a god.” Isaiah 9:6 calls the Messiah "Mighty God", but that does not mean that he is Almighty God himself. In 1 Corinthians 8:5, 6, Paul says, "For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." Jesus is a Mighty God because God is the one who exalted him to that position. Philippians 2:9 states that after Jesus's death and resurrection, God exalted him to a superior position and gave him the name that is above every other name." Does that mean that God exalted Jesus to a position greater than God himself? Does that mean that Jesus's name is even above God's name? The following verses explain that Jesus's exaltation is ultimately to bring glory to God the Father. Paul said something similar in 1 Corinthians 15:27, 28. God subjected all things under Jesus's feet. Paul explains in verse 27: "But when he says all things have been subjected, it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him." Isaiah 9:6 also calls the Messiah "Eternal Father". Does that mean that the Son is also the Father? Not even the Trinity doctrine teaches that the Son is the Father, unless you believe in Modalism. The Messiah is given this title with a specific meaning in mind. Jesus became the father of the human race when he became the last Adam.
You realize you're quoting a Greek philosopher when you say these lines, right? ... right? Let's hope you learned something in the last 6 years and you're not still an idolator. I mean I don't care but you're heading for an eternal fire with this kind of "thinking"... if it can be referred to as that.
Why does Christianity push Catholic dogma? We are required and commanded to believe that YAHUAH sent his Son who came in the flesh and that is that. He is not YAHUAH Eloheem and never ever said he was. Instead he confirmed he is the Son. Joh 20:17...I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my Eloheem and your Eloheem. ANYTHING THAT PREACHES YAHUSHUA DID NOT COME IN THE FLESH IS A DECEIVER , THE ANTI-MASHIACH ie the one who says Yahushua was Spirit rather than flesh FULLY ANOINTED BY THE PURE SPIRIT OF YAHUAH!!!! This invention of trinity and Jesus is God heresy is sent to distract from the TEACHING OF THE SON OF ELOHEEM which is to OBEY TORAH which the same pagan institution called the Harlot Church of Babylon hates. Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law [TORAH] or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to FULLY PREACH (Greek: pleroo) them. Mat 5:18 For truly, I say to you, until shamayim (pw heaven) and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law [TORAH]until all is accomplished. Mat 5:19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of shamayim (pw heaven), but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of shamayim. Mat 5:20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of shamayim (pw heaven).
My only reason why I don't believe in Trinity, now this is not to say that I hate trinitarians or anything of that nature; it's just they don't realize that when they are using scripture to try and confirm Trinity or to confirm that Christ is God they completely and utterly announced such as Proverbs chapter 7 and 8 on the personification of God's wisdom being a woman and our sister they use that as a euphemism but they want to personify the euphemistic approach of the holy Spirit empowering us and outpouring on to us. Where the holy Spirit if you read Ezekiel chapter 1 through 28 is actually debatable on it being a personification because even though God's spirit is able to open up our will and our understanding it doesn't speak and it always has to work under direction it can't exist by itself without having God generated from out of his very being on to Jesus and Jesus generating it from his very being on to us so really there isn't a trinity if you read scripture. Trinity is an added idea not a emphatic fact because it has to be theorized onto the page it has to be put on the page where if you were to read a written page in the Bible you won't be able to find trinity not by word or definition that's my only rejection of it. There's no substantiability for Trinity it had to be shoehorned and said it was fact because the argument was so extensive; so the whole thing on God is love being a triune God how do you get past the fact that God doesn't divide his glory among anyone? Where all of a sudden it got to get a change of heart? He never did God is unchanging Christ is only a propitiation by means of only the scriptures themselves he's an appointed King like King Hezekiah and King Josiah and every King that sat upon the throne of Israel was Elohim they were not God in Divinity or nature so how is Jesus divine in nature if he himself had to be exalted had to be brought back to life from the dead had to be given power and authority in heaven and earth. So really that alone defeats the non contextual teaching of Trinity. Now the argument of the deity of Christ where I've seen the accusation passed around where people have the man's mindset of should the Sun be coming from the father they are of equal and exact expression where in fact we must understand that God is a spirit and he makes his angels spirits, John 4:24 even says that God is a spirit himself a spirit person so if he's a person he's not as ostentatiously beyond our understanding as Trinity would teach to try and confirm this conglomerate God system. Another thing that's taken out of context is Revelation chapter 1 where they confuse the alpha and Omega for being Jesus where in fact the Bible in all of its entirety says that Jesus is the coming King and Messiah if we recognize the plurality of Elohim to mean only the human aspect it would mean that Jesus is no more of God than Moses was or Hezekiah. Basically Jesus is just proving the fact that he is the coming King to rule the world and to bring order to the Earth according to the context of the Bible. So he wouldn't be the exact essence of God because that would mean that we too are the essence of God so there's a lot wrong with the Trinity theology then anything can comprehend because even theologians that believe in Trinity say that the Trinity is not biblical but it's biblical that to me creates a god of distortion if it's not in the Bible but it is a part of the Bible....That's why I thoroughly cannot accept this.
If you love me keep my commandments: The first commandment is to love Jesus Christ's God with all your heart, all your soul, all your mind and all your strength. Trinitarians can't do this wich means they don't love God.
We are filled with all the fullness of God, which enables us to comprehend the love of God which would otherwise be out of our reach. Ephesians 3:14-21
This is a crazy claim… we are called to love God with all are our heart, soul, mind, and strength… why would a trinitarian not be able to do this? Trinitarians are loving who God is COMPLETELY… God is the father the son and the Holy Spirit… the father is the one who sent him (God), the one who died for all (God), and the one who give Devine power to all creature of the earth (God)… if you deny that YOU aren’t loving God like the first commandment said…
Question, in Colossians 1:15-17 is Jesus Christ, bodily the image of the invisible God, the first born over all creation, and created man in his image?
Col. 1:15 calls Jesus "the firstborn *of* all creation." He is included as part of creation, the first of God's creative works. The NIV mistranslates this verse as "over all creation." The word "over" in Colossians in the NIV is not found in the Greek. The translators replaced "of" with "over", not because that is what the Greek says, but rather to avoid "of" since it appears to make Jesus part of creation. Colossians 1:15 also says that Jesus is “the image of the invisible God.'' Rather than being God himself, he is as Hebrews 1:3 says, "the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven." (NIV) Hebrews 1:2 also distinguishes Jesus from God by saying, "He has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe."
@@jollyrancher521 Almighty God became flesh as the sacrifical lamb/body of God. And after the crucifixion, the sacrifical lamb/body of God is glorified and is now sitting on His glorious throne as almighty God, Everlasting father who sent the seven holy spirits standing before the throne of God to the seven churches of earth to testify to the gospel of Jesus christ. The glorified body of God who is the only savior of mankind. AND is called Jesus christ, Emmanuel, God with us, the angel of God Gabriel revealed the new covenant name of the sacrifical lamb/body of God as Jesus christ to Mary and the world, and is not a separate God or person. The scriptures says, that the work of God is that we look upon His son ( the lamb/body of God)and believe in Him. Because now you have seen Him. Question, what did Jesus say to Philip when Philip asked him to show us the farther?
@@jollyrancher521 Colossians 1:17 Jesus christ was before all things, and in Him all things hold together. V 16 For by Him all things were created, things in heaven and earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities all things were created by Him for Him. Question, do you reject Rev 1:8 and Rev 22: 12-13 Jesus christ is almighty God. Jesus christ is the glorious NAME of almighty God who is the one and only true living God and there is no other Rock or savior or God Amen 🙏
@@marcusvanrensberg6060 Colossians 1:15 and 16 says that by means of the Son, the firstborn of every creature, all things were created. When it says "all things", does that mean Jesus is God because nothing existed before Jesus? No. Verse 16 says that all things were created _by_ Jesus Christ, or _through_ Jesus Christ. When it says "all things were created by him", it is understood that this does not include God himself. Paul said something similar in 1 Corinthians 15:27, 28. There it states that God put all things under Jesus' feet. Paul clarifies in verse 27: "But when he says all things have been subjected, it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him." It is clear from these verses that Jesus is not Almighty God himself. In Revelation 1:8, the one who calls himself the Alpha and the Omega is referred to as the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.” Verse 4 uses the same description - “him who is, and who was, and who is to come” - to talk about God. Then, in verse 5, Jesus is mentioned _separately_ as “the faithful witness.” This shows that Jesus isn’t the one being called the Almighty, the Lord God, or the Alpha and the Omega. If you read Revelation chapter 1 closely, you’ll see a clear distinction between God the Father and Jesus Christ - they’re not the same. The very first verse points this out by saying that the revelation came from Jesus Christ, which God gave to him, showing that God and Jesus have different roles. Verses 5 and 6 say that Jesus “made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father,” which shows that Jesus has a God he serves, making it clear they’re not equal or the same person. Verse 7 talks about Jesus coming with the clouds, but in verse 8, it switches back to referring to God the Father as “the Alpha and the Omega,” not Jesus. In Revelation 22:6-7, one of the seven angels is speaking to John, and then in verse 8, John takes over. The angel continues in verses 9-11, and then in verses 12-13, the speaker says, “I am the Alpha and the Omega.” This is the third time this title is used in Revelation, and in the first two instances (1:8 and 21:6), it clearly refers to God, not Jesus. So, it makes sense that this third mention would be about God too. When Jesus speaks in verse 16, he says, “I, Jesus, have sent my angel,” showing there are different speakers in this chapter. Given this back-and-forth, we can’t just assume that Jesus is the one talking in verse 12 and then say he’s Almighty God. Revelation 1:4-8 already shows that the Alpha and Omega refers to God, not Jesus. Throughout the book, there’s a clear pattern separating God and Jesus. For example, Revelation 22:1-3 mentions “the throne of God and of the Lamb” twice, showing that the Lamb (Jesus) is distinct from God. Some might say that verse 13 refers to Jesus as the Alpha and the Omega, but a study of Revelation as a whole shows that this title is consistently used for God alone. So, looking at the whole picture, it’s pretty clear that the Alpha and Omega in verse 12 is talking about God, not Jesus.
The farther is in me and I am in the farther, the farther and I are one. And I came to reveal the farther, by the name he gave me, the name above every name in heaven and earth. We are to glorify Jesus Christ only, and to be witnesses of the gospel of Jesus christ only, and why are you trying to make God more than one true living God.
God is the Ultimate Relationship. Not an isolated being trapped within but someone whose Logos; Reason; Logic for being is His beloved Son. He-the Father-created humanity to give to His Son as a bride, and the Church as His bride is that part of humanity who have been brought back into that ultimate love relationship in the power of their Holy Spirit. An isolated god makes no sense to my love starved heart! Reading John with its intimate talk of intimacy between Father, Son and Spirit makes sense. The isolated god of Islam and similar scary gods trapped within themselves terrifies me. If they were god I would rather go to hell. The true God invites us to share in Christ s relationship with the Father as the Holy Spirit baptizes us into body of Christ, which is the holy Church (see 1 Cor 12, for eg.). This is a God my logical mind can believe in. This is God.
It is time that Christians now must believe the words of Jesus when he says that he is the "Son OF God/Father" and NOT "God the Son". God of Israel is the Father and God of our Lord Jesus Christ, and his Father and God is also our Father and God. Jesus and others in Scriptures say this over and over again in the New Testament!.
Gold Diamond That's correct and together They are one GOD. Including the third Person the Holy Ghost, They are three Gods who are one GOD. The Godhead.Three eternally separate individuals who are of one everlasting to everlasting Family called GOD. They are from everlasting and shall be everlasting. Live for eternity.That is meant for us too. We are gods in the making. The manifold wisdom of oneness is fellowship. We fellowship with Christ, thus become like we were meant to be..... like our Heavenly Father and He. Fellowship in unity, love and Family is the meant *PURPOSE* of us all for eternity. The same purpose which the Father purposed unto Christ, Christ purposes to us. There is only one way to be one. In the image and likeness of three men can be one is how three Gods are one. That is real and the is the true love of Family and it is real. God bless.
+truthseeker staats You altogether missed his point. There *IS* ONE God, and "The Father", ALONE, is this ONE GOD. The Bible makes this perfectly clear. WHO does The Bible say Jesus is The Son *_OF?_* *OF God! Jesus is The son of GOD* It is GOD who is The Father! Blessings
OurHumbleLife No. I did not miss that part. I know who the Father is and who are His sons and daughters. Christ is His first born. We are all offspring..... we are gods.... He is God. All who are His Family are GOD. All who bear His name on this Earth and this Heaven are called........ GOD - My point has always been..... the Father, His Son and The Holy Ghost are one GOD and we can become one with Them as They are one with each other. It is what He/They want. Family is the fellowship and intended purpose of us all. :) ;)
+truthseeker staats We are not Gods, this is a dangerous thing to say, when scriptures speak of Gods and Lords they speak of it in a way to imply Leaders of a group of people and not in the same way as our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. He is mighty to save! He is " I am HE", HE IS the God Thomas claimed and He is the one that says this scripture HAS BEEN FULFILLED!!!
Obviously Christianity is Greek Paganism and is not even to be associated with "Jesus" himself, let alone Solomon or John the Baptist or ANY of the prophets of God that existed since the beginning of time. Christians have to go to hell, at least the trinitarians, and they're literally breaking the first TWO commandments so good luck trying to reason with someone who believes God is his own son or that God can die. I challenge anyone to make a more oxymoronical or paradoxical statement than "God died".
The Father and the Son are the Parents of the Holy Spirit, if most churches are correct. The Trinity is a Family-- two Parents and an Offspring, if most churches are correct. In the Bible, Jesus Himself said, " I and the Father are One".--John 10:30 On the topic of marriage in general,according to the Bible Jesus said "they are no longer two but one..."-Matthew 19:6
If we understand Jesus' statement "I and the Father are one" in John 10:30 to mean that Jesus is God himself, that would seem to contradict John 14:28, where Jesus says, "The Father is greater than I am." It would also seem to contradict John 20:17, where Jesus tells Mary, "I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God." The context shows that Jesus was talking about his unity of purpose with God the Father. This unity of purpose extended to his followers. In John 17:22, Jesus prayed to God saying, "I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one." Obviously, Jesus did not mean that his followers were of the same essence or substance.
@@AstariahJW 100% correct. It is so absent from the bible, they literally had to fabricate a verse to say it in the bible LOL The answer is so obvious. It just goes to show that people have to be guided.
I think the only thing that exists in this reality is the Source Consciousness/God. We see this clearly with people who have merged with the “all loving light” (God) during their NDEs. After they merge, they report that they feel an incredible sense of being loved, and they also realize we are made of the same “conscious stuff” that God is made of. (This makes sense, that we are all made of the “conscious stuff” that God is made of, since the only raw materials “he” had to work with when he created our souls was his own consciousness. And so he created us out of himself, so to speak.) And as these NDEers temporarily feel one with God during their merger, they report that they know everything that God knows - because they are at that moment one with “him.” But when they separate from the “all loving light” they lose most of that knowledge (because they are no longer coupled with the source of everything), but they do retain the deep, overwhelming sense of feeling loved by God. And most people, when they “come back to their bodies,” really want to share this heightened level of love with all of humanity. And now we know for sure. God is love, only love because it is all “he” is capable of. And anything that paints him in a non-loving way is just plain wrong, no matter what the source. All the best!
The title of this video "Only the triune God is love" I assume is taken from the verse in 1 John 4 v 8 where it says "for God is love". If anyone would care to look this verse up in their bibles and read a bit further they will find that this God is the Father (as is always the case in first John) since it says in the next verse "in this was manifested the love of God toward us because that God sent his only begotten son into the world". So the title of this video should really be "Only God the Father is love" unless someone can produce a text to the contrary.
The Creator of the Universe is Only One Person. HE has a Holy Spirit and an Only Begotten Son who is our Lord and Savior. We worship YHVH GOD, in the name of Yeshua Messiah, through the Holy Spirit! Simple! Easy to understand! Not complicated! No incoherent Trinitarian mumbo-jumbo necessary to fully grasp who YHVH GOD, Creator of the Universe, is!
+John Q. Public "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it." John 1: 1-5 I'm not trying to be rude, but I have a problem with what you said. The verse is very sharply claiming Jesus Christ's divinity with God who is His Father. Going on what you said if God is just one person that HAS a Holy Spirit and an only Begotten Son then it would mean that the Word(Jesus) was a part of creation and the Holy Spirit as well, which looking back to the verse from john we can see that that is just not true. The verse bluntly labels Jesus as God. In the for gospels Jesus claimed to be God. He also said that the Father who sent him is God. The Holy Spirit who was sent from Jesus. Three distinct persons in one essence. This verse below is a glimpse of the eternal dance of love that has been forever occurring. "In those days Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan. And when he came up out of the water, immediately he saw the heavens being torn open and the Spirit descending on him like a dove. And a voice came from heaven, “You are my beloved Son; with you I am well pleased.” Mark 1: 9-11 This is just a glimpse of what has been happening for eternity. No one else has God opened the heavens for and declared that kind of stamp of approval than his Son, and the Spirit is uniting their love. This is just constant love all around, and is an example of why we--as his creation created in His image--even love in the first place. Constant love for eternity is what God has, and that is the reason why He created, because He loves and wants to share that love. Not because He was lonely, because if creation was done out of loneliness then yes it would have been done through a unipersonal God. What makes Christians distinct is that we believe in a tripersonal God who is revealed through the Lord Jesus Christ. The Trinity is the most important doctrine, because it is describing who God is, and built off of this doctrine are all the others such as: Justification, Sanctification, Marriage, Wrath etc. I know that communication in these comments on youtube can get rough, but I am not trying to put you down. I just wanted to point out what I disagree with you on on what you said, because it seemed to contradict scripture. Don't take my word for it. Read His Word. Watch the video again. Pray on it, because it is always good to exam yourself. I know that I will as well, but I only say what I have said because God has revealed it to me like so many others through His Son.
+Joshua Chavez --- Yeshua does not enter the text of John’s Gospel until verse 14. Everything prior to verse 14 is talking about YHVH GOD. I like your phrase “the eternal dance of love”, but that just as easily applies to the factual truth that the Trinity, as it is described by Trinitarians, does NOT exist. GOD is GOD, Yeshua Messiah is GODs Only Begotten Son and the Holy Spirit is YHVH GODs HOLY SPIRIT. GOD is a Person. Yeshua is a Person. The Holy Spirit is NOT a Person. And yes there is an “eternal dance of love” between them. Yeshua was made by His GOD and Father here on earth during the Immaculate Conception. That is what the word begotten means. Yeshua lives in eternity future but He did not live in eternity past. Prior to Yeshua’s conception He only existed in YHVH GODs foreknowledge. A foreknowledge that caused YHVH GOD to Create the entire Universe for Yeshua Messiah’s purpose. When YHVH GOD opened the Heavens HE was not opening them upon HIMSELF, HE was opening them on HIS Only Begotten Son. So when YHVH GOD sent the Holy Spirit like a dove to descend upon Him, in the Jordon river, Yeshua’s GOD and Father would naturally exclaim, “You are my beloved Son; with you I am well pleased.”!What makes Trinitarians distinct is that they must confuse and conflate the who’s and the what’s of their own doctrine of the Holy Trinity. Unitarian Oneness believers have no such problem because we know who and what the three spoken of in the Holy Trinity are and we do NOT have to make up fairy stories to try to explain something incomprehensible when it is perfectly comprehensible to any who wish to listen and hear!I hope this helps!
Thank you for responding, but I disagree with you on a lot of things you said, because scripture is disagreeing with you. The verse in John 1:1 is talking about the Lord Jesus as the eternal word. Jesus was in the the text from verse one. The whole point of the gospel of john--just like all of the gospels--is to point to Jesus and who He was and what He said. In fact, these verses "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men" clearly is talking about and declaring bluntly about Jesus being with God, and also being God Himself. Existing with God, and not just as foreknowledge. This is talking about the Great I am. I agree with you on that. He is the only Begotten, and that means that He is eternally existing with an eternal God constantly in communion with Him, and the Holy Spirit stirs up this love in the eternal dance. The only way for Jesus to be the only Begotten to an eternal God is to be eternally Begotten, which magnifies love of God. Here is proof below. Jesus said He is the "I am" and this is a claim to always BE. If he was not self-existing then we would be worshiping an idol. The verse below gives credibility to that, and this also contradicts the thought that Jesus was just a thought in God's mind. Jesus existed with the Father. "Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple" John 8:58-59 He existed before He was born in the immaculate conception. The Trinity is there from the beginning. Then God said, “Let us make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness..." Genesis 1:26 Creation would only make sense if God is Trinity, which He is. He did not create out of loneliness, which a Unipersonal God would, but He created out of an outpour of HIs love for His Son, who was "..with God...and..was God..." which a Tripersonal God does. To say that He was thinking and creating the foundations of the world for Jesus by thinking of Jesus as a created being would be saying that God created for solely for His creation. He created out of an overflow of love for His Son that has been going on for eternity.
If they do "have an eternal dance of love"--like you agreed upon--then they have existed together before the foundation of the world. By the way, I know that there is a emotional barrier between you and I because of the lack of physical interaction, but I am not angry or anything I just wanted to talk. I think it is alright to disagree about things and talk about them.
+Joshua Chavez --- Trinitarians are lying when they use the John 8:58 example as their evidence, because, the phrase that is used in John 8:58 is NOT the same phrase that is used in Exodus 3:14. Genesis 1:26 can have many different meanings, even most Trinitarian scholars believe the “our” is a “royal we”. You --- Creation would only make sense if God is Trinity, which He is. He did not create out of loneliness, which a Unipersonal God would, but He created out of an outpour of HIs love for His Son, who was "..with God...and..was God..." which a Tripersonal God does. Me --- That is just an emotional opinion with no proof of its validity. Please answer these two questions. à 1. Is GOD a Person? 2. Does GOD know who GOD is?
I are not a Christian, i are not an educated one , i can read and write . I do accept the trinity formula . There is a circulation within the one God, Father Son and the Holyghost, these three cannot be without the other. There is no preacher in the world that says prayers using the Trinity. God is not angry at human applying the word Trinity to GOD.
@davidlingaard860 God is the ultimate complete being who needs no one. Nobody can add anything to Him that He does not already posses in abundance. God does not need to be divided up into a 3 person God in order to accomplish anything. There is one God and He is the Father, only the Father. Jesus is His only-begotten Son and the holy spirit is his powerful force that He uses to do things and often allows others to use also.
God is The Trinity three distinct personalities and persons of God to understand God, who God is. Moses Jehovah The Father, Jesus Yahweh The Son, Jacob Gabriel The Holy Spirit
The Diety of the fullness of Jesus christ is, 1 the farther, the divine conscience/wisdom of Jesus christ, 2 the living water of life, the eternal spirit of God, the bread of life, and 3 the body of Jesus christ the lamb on the throne, the triune of the one God, Jesus Christ created man in his image, body, soul and spirit ( life) as one person with a name Adam, this is the image of our God.
Perhaps Tim Keller should not worry about teaching Trinity but worry and read what the Bible says about dudes marrying dudes because somehow he misses it or made up his own version of it and skip what God says about it.
Question, did the holy spirit standing before the throne of God, sent to the church of God, kill a person who lied to him, is this the holy spirit God that you are trying to glorify and say is Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ never said the holy spirit and I are one.
@@andrewmrcz Please give us the scriptures that says that the Spirit of christ is changeable. Because the scriptures says that Jesus christ has and never changed ,He is the same for ever and ever.? And Jesus Christ was before all things and created all things by Him for Him and nothing can exist without Jesus christ, the Spirit of life.
@@marcusvanrensberg6060 I didn't say that the Spirit of Christ is changeable. I said the terms "Spirit of God" and "Spirit of Christ" are used *interchangeably*, meaning the terms are synonymous with each other. The Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of God, and vice verse. And yes I believe the Spirit is unchangeable and immutable.
@@andrewmrcz eternal life can not exist without consciousness and consciousness can not exist without life and do works in a bodily form. And this is who we are created in the image of God. You are a soul and spirit in a body as one person with a name. And you're body can not work with out your spirit and Mind/soul.
@@pj_ytmt-123 I am not aware of any verse in the Bible that states that the Father, Son, and Holy spirit are three persons in one God, all coeternal, coequal and consubstantial. The Trinity doctrine was not fully developed until the fourth century after Christ. There are many verses in the Bible that are in conflict with the Trinity doctrine. For example, the night before he was killed, Jesus prayed to his Father and called him "the only true God." Jesus referred to his Father as "my God'', even after he was resurrected. (John 20:17; Revelation 3:12)
The farther is the divine conscience/wisdom of Jesus christ,Jesus Christ is the infinite spirit, breath of life ,eternal spirit, living water of life, in bodily form in the body of Jesus christ the lamb on the throne, the Diety of God, the three are in agreement of the testimony of Jesus christ, the one and only true living God who became flesh and walked with man, Jesus Christ created man in his image, body,soul and spirit (life)as one person with a name Adam. Jesus christ is the wisdom and the power of God.
Zechariah 12-10 God said, with a spirit of grace and supplication,they will look on me the one they have pierced, and they will mourn, this is said long before the cross, Jesus Christ is the one and only true living God, Jesus Christ created man in his image, body, soul, and spirit (life) as one person with a name Adam, God has a name above every name in heaven and earth, Jesus Christ.
@@wserthmar8908 John 19:37 And as another scripture says, they will look on the one they have pierced "this is the same testimony from Zechariah 12-10 by almighty God, Everlasting father, YAHUAH, now known as Emmanuel, Jesus the christ, the word that became flesh and dwelled with man. Are you denying that Jesus christ is the one and only savior of man and our salvation.
@@marcusvanrensberg6060, unfortunately, modern Christianity is overall wrong about certain things. The greatest in my opinion would be a) trusting the church traditions above what is written in the OT, and what the Messiah taught, and b) the neglect of the Law. But I digress. Yeshua is our Saviour, Lord, the Messiah, and the ultimate prophet who died and rose from the dead, and he taught the Law perfectly, and fulfilled many prophecies. However, he is not the Father God Himself, and the Father God's name YHVH is above all other names. Yeshua indeed had God in Him, His presence, His Word. But Yeshua is not God, our God is the Father: John 20:17 Yeshua said to her, "Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.'" Please, be open-minded enough to understand this stance
@@wserthmar8908 Jesus christ is the lamb/body of the Everlasting father, Mighty God, and Jesus said, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through me. If you really knew Me, you would know My father as well. From now on, you do know Him and have seen Him. Question is Jesus Christ the image of the Everlasting father in bodily form. Jesus christ said to Philip, "Don't you know Me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time?Anyone who has seen Me has seen the father. Question did Jesus christ say, I am in the father, and that the father is in Me? And He and the father are one.
@@marcusvanrensberg6060, I mean, there’s just a lot of good explanations on the Interest. God being one is found throughout the OT, and Trinity is not found in the NT, it merely was deduced logically (and wrongfully.) Well, there are complicated verses in the New Testament that can be used in a pro-Unitarian way, but overall the easiest verses make it easier to understand that God our Father is one, and the Messiah must be honoured, and that he indeed has God’s presence in him
In Heb 5:5 it says "You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.” Jesus did not become God's Son until he was begotten of God. These intellectuals are deceived and they are deceiving. God is not a trinity. If God was a trinity then there would be no confusion. The trinity doctrine is man made and completely wrong. God is a family and we can be born into that family at the resurrection.
One Lord. One God. One Savior. One Spirit. One person. One name: our great God and Savior Jesus Christ. ============== "Looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ" (Titus 2:13). ============== If you respond here, I will explain the incarnation, and how God is One. Until Christ is fully formed in us all, -james
So John Piper how is your Reformed god have any love? Quote from John Piper: "God . . . brings about all things in accordance with his will. In other words, it isn’t just that God manages to turn the evil aspects of our world to good for those who love him; it is rather that he himself brings about these evil aspects for his glory (see Ex. 9:13-16; John 9:3) and his people’s good (see Heb. 12:3-11; James 1:2-4). This includes-as incredible and as unacceptable as it may currently seem-God’s having even brought about the Nazis’ brutality at Birkenau and Auschwitz as well as the terrible killings of Dennis Rader and even the sexual abuse of a young child . . . Quote from John Calvin: “The devil, and the whole train of the ungodly, are in all directions, held in by the hand of God as with a bridle, so that they can neither conceive any mischief, nor plan what they have conceived, nor how muchsoever they may have planned, move a single finger to perpetrate, unless in so far as he permits, nay unless in so far as he commands, that they are not only bound by his fetters but are even forced to do him service” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 11) Anyone interested in the real Gospel of Jesus Christ? Listen to these true men of God preaching the truth. (TH-cam) Dave Hunt "What Love is this." Soteriology 101 Dr Leighton Flowers David Pawson Moriel TV Jacob Mike Winger And remember these words from the real GOD! 1 Timothy 2 : 3-6 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. Acts 2 :21And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’ 38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 This promise belongs to you and your children and to all who are far off-.... John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. Truth In Love
In the beginning was the word, but whose word is it ? God word. How can you breaking the word of God and God.. the word was with God. Interesting 🤠 can your own word be with you. The 10 commandments . 1) you shall have no other gods before me. Nothing existed before God almighty. Isaiah 43:10 There is only God nothing existed before God almighty it's important or idolatry . “You shall have no other gods before me.” Jesus has no chance unless he is God. And jesus can't be God because he is a human being. Hosea 11:9 For I am God and not man, Numbers 23 19 For I am God and not man, nor the son of a man. 1 Timothy 6:16
All my own personal opinions and ideas and imaginations of the Godhead are utterly vain and meaningless and pompous pharisaical yeast, if not totally blasphemous. God describes Himself. He needs no man to teach you who He is. He Himself teaches you of Himself. You have no need of any man to teach you, for the Spirit Himself teaches you of all things. Ask God in Jesus Christ by His Spirit to explain Himself to you. He is the Living God, not a dead mute idol.
That's a great question, I'm glad you asked. Thank you! Why are you talking about the trinity? We are supposed to be worshiping the father. I received my 100-fold 22 years ago, and I am always loyal to the father Jehovah God. How about you? John 14:6 says, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me". This verse appears in the Bible during the Last Supper, when Jesus is speaking to his disciples. You see Jesus' rulership is for a very short time. We need to learn from Jesus' example here on earth and honor Jesus' commandments so we will have access to Jehovah God, who is the ruler of the universe forever. (that's what John14:6 means). People have lost focus of the big picture. The New Testament is just a record of Jesus' life here on Earth, that's all. So, we need to follow Jesus commandments so we will have an opportunity to live forever. John 17:3 where Jesus states, “Now this is eternal life; that they know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.” Even Jesus Himself agrees that there is only one true God, which is not Himself, since He refers to Himself as separate and distinct from the “true God.” If we follow Jesus' commandments will have a relationship with both the father and the son. Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,” - Even Jesus Christ was a witness!
Most Christian congregations don't have a relationship with God because they have rejected Jesus' New Commandments and The Lord's Prayer (they only worship the son, sports and holidays). And therefore, will not receive everlasting life. READ BELOW ↓ This is the first and greatest commandment. 1 Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and mind. 2 Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments. The Lord's Prayer Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, As we forgive our debtors. And do not lead us into temptation, But deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen. The Lord's Prayer is very clear that the kingdom and the power and the glory belong to the father (not Jesus). Yet, most Christian congregations ignore Jesus' commandments. READ BELOW ↓ 2 John 1:9 Anyone who runs ahead without remaining in the teaching of Christ does not have God. Whoever remains in His teaching has both the Father and the Son. Matthew 15:8,9 These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship Me in vain, teaching as doctrines the commands of men. Matthew 7:14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. We are to pray to God, not Jesus - remember The Model Prayer. Pray like this, "Our father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name." This is what Jesus taught, and the people in false religion hate it! We are to worship God, not Jesus, according to Jesus' New Commandments and The Model Prayer. Eph. 4:5 says there is one God and one faith - not many. There are many religions/faiths. But only one is right. The entire Bible verifies that! All the false faiths must come up with beliefs that tickle their ears. (2 Tim. 4:3) READ BELOW ↓ John 6:43-45 43 In answer Jesus said to them: “Stop murmuring among yourselves. 44 No man can come to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him; and I will resurrect him in the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by Jehovah.’ Everyone that has heard from the Father and has learned comes to me. As these scriptures bring out, 1 - No man can come to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him; 2 - 'And they will all be taught by Jehovah.' 3 - Everyone that has heard from the Father and has learned comes to me. Also, these three scriptures above put an end to the trinity nonsense! This message is very clear, if you are not being taught by Jehovah God or his organization, you will not receive everlasting life because you do not have access to ~ Jesus Christ ~ the Faithful Witness. Even Jesus was a witness. That means you'll need a Bible with God's name restored in 6,828 places. Most Christian congregations claim that Jesus is God and will not even acknowledge Jehovah God's name. As a matter of fact, they hate God's name, and they are not going access to Jesus or receive everlasting life. Also, most Christian congregations refuse to comply with Jesus' New Commandments and The Model Prayer. The most important scriptures of all and they are not going to be saved!! Get a Bible that has God's name restored - instead of a false religion Bible that has removed Jehovah God's name 6,828 places. The correct English translation for the word JHWH is Jehovah. All English Bibles say God's name is Jehovah (not Jesus). So the correct English translation for the name JHWH or Yahweh is Jehovah. READ BELOW ↓ The Chinese word for God is Shangdi The English word for God is Jehovah The Old Irish word for God is día The Italian word for God is Dio The Japanese word for God is kami The Korean word for God is ha-na-nim The Polish word for God is Bóg The Portuguese word for God is deus The Russian word for God is Бог The Spanish word for God is Dios The Scottish word for God is DOST We are to sanctify Jehovah God's name - not Jesus' name - (hallowed be thy name) not hate his name and refuse to even acknowledge his name. We are to love your God with all your heart, soul, and mind. Instead, they hate his name! Psalms 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. Psalms 37:20 For the wicked themselves will perish, And the enemies of Jehovah will be like the preciousness of pastures. They must come to their end. In smoke they must come to their end. 2 Timothy 4:4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 2 Peter 2:1-2 1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. 2 Many will follow their evil teaching and shameful immorality. And because of these teachers, the way of truth will be slandered. READ BELOW ↓ But for the wicked who rejected Jesus' New Commandments and The Model Prayer and hate God's name and his people and who only worship the son, sports and holidays, their options are wide open. The wicked are annihilated-snuffed out of conscious existence forever. Biblically, however, hell is a real place of conscious, eternal suffering (Matt. 5:22; 25:41, 46; Jude 1:7; Rev. 14:11; 20:10, 14). I believe in what the Bible says. How about you? Since the wicked chose to be an enemy of God, they will defiantly be going to Hades or option A, B, C, D, E, F, etc. I have created a list of options that may help them decide before judgement time arrives, so they should plan in advance due to limited space. Maybe they will grant their request, but most likely they won't. But no sense in not trying! Below is a list of options for the wicked. A - Abyss B - Aionios C - Eternal Damnation D - Eternal Punishment E - Fiery Lake of Burning Sulfur F - Fire and Brimstone G - Gehenna H - Grave I - Hades J - Hell K - Inferno L - Limbo M - Lower World N - Pandemonium O - Pit P - Pyr Q - Shoel R - Tararus Their options are wide open, so they should choose carefully. Matthew 7:14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. Have a nice day!
One Lord. One God. One Savior. One Spirit. One person. One name: our great God and Savior Jesus Christ. ============== "Looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ" (Titus 2:13). ============== Until Christ is fully formed in us all, -james
@@HeWhoHasSeenMe Read it some more. Titus 2:13 READ BELOW ↓ 13 while we wait for the happy hope and glorious manifestation of the great God and of [the] Savior of us, Christ Jesus, 14 who gave himself for us that he might deliver us from every sort of lawlessness and cleanse for himself a people peculiarly his own, zealous for fine works. This scripture describes two "and" of the great God - Jehovah and of [the] Savior - Jesus It does not read Jesus is God.
REST in the Word of God. "By FAITH we UNDERSTAND" - Hebrews 11. STOP MAKING UP terms, such as, "trinity"! You are only CONFUSING YOURSELVES as evidenced by videos LIKE THIS! REST IN THE WORD!
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I will never be filled with the fullness of God without the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
The Bible clearly gives emphasis to the nature of these Persons in the Godhead.
Take away one of them and I will never be complete the way i am right now.
PRAISE THE GODHEAD THREE IN ONE.
Amen! God bless your heart. ❤
Amen!!! Hallelujah!!!
Amen
According to Col 2:9 the fulness of the Godhead dwells in Jesus Christ, bodily. This means that God cannot be found outside of Jesus. In verse 10, the believer is complete in him. Two others do not have to be with him, for the believer to be complete in him.
Based on the three last lines of your comment, one can also conclude that, to take away any person of God, you do not have God. This is why the trinity cannot be true.
"Jesus is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together."
- Colossians 1:15-17
So this scripture speaks of One God. Right!
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Yes.
Trinity is a men made doctrine
@@eddiemirtille9294 You've missed the point entirely.
@@eddiemirtille92942 Corinthians 13:14
@@AaronRequinto2003exactly!💯
Amen. Only the Triune LORD God of Scripture is Love. Hallelujah. Praise the LORD God who is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
The one God in the bible, is known as the Father. Mal 2:10; Eph 4:6. A triune definition of the one God, will make the Father to be a triune being. God being solitary being, does not negate his unity as God.
Yes it does because they are three different things. The fathers will is different from the sons will. Create in the 4th century.
@@dgreenja Jesus Christ said, that the father lives in Me, And Rather, it is the father living in Me who is speaking and doing His work through Me, and I can do nothing on my own. Just as your body can do nothing on it own. God became flesh and dwelled with man as the sacrifical lamb/body of God who is also called the son of God, and no a separate person or being or God. Jesus christ said that the father and I are one. Question is Jesus telling us a lie?
@@marcusvanrensberg6060 i am not of the view that Jesus is a separate person or being from God. If you hold to the view that Jesus is the Father, that is the same view I defend.
Three persons equals to LORDS. LORD is never in a composite sense of divine persons.
1 John 2:2, 1 Tim. 4:10, Romans 5:18, 11:32-36, John 12:32, Colossians 1:15-20, 1 Corinthians 15:20-28 Jeremiah 24:30, Ephesians 1:9-11 etc.
The point of the Trinity is not to question the single essence of God, but rather to comprehend the energies of God, or how a single God, who's outside the created world, manifests himself in the created world, so the Hypostasis are the eternal manifestations of God, or more precisely the Spirit of God/Parakletos stands for God's relation with anything in the created world, the Word of God/Logos stands for God's actions in the created world, while the Pater is not exactly a manifestation, but rather the source of both Hypostasis, outside the created world.
In ( Exodus 20:3 ) NABRE Who made this statement: You shall not have other gods beside me. God the Father, God the Son, or God the Holy Spirit AKA the Dove? Whose image are you made in?
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:”
- Deuteronomy 6:4 (KJV)
“Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him.”
- Deuteronomy 4:35 (KJV)
“See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.”
- Deuteronomy 32:39 (KJV)
“Wherefore thou art great, O LORD God: for there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.”
- 2 Samuel 7:22 (KJV)
“O LORD, there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.”
- 1 Chronicles 17:20 (KJV)
“Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation.”
- Isaiah 12:2 (KJV)
“And it shall be said in that day, Lo, this is our God; we have waited for him, and he will save us: this is the LORD; we have waited for him, we will be glad and rejoice in his salvation.”
- Isaiah 25:9 (KJV)
“For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.”
- Isaiah 43:3 (KJV)
Isaiah 43 (KJV)
¹⁰ Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
¹¹ I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
“Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.”
- Isaiah 44:6 (KJV)
“Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.”
- Isaiah 44:8 (KJV)
“Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;”
- Isaiah 44:24 (KJV)
Isaiah 45 (KJV)
⁵ I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
⁶ That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
Isaiah 45 (KJV)
²¹ Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
²² Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
“For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.”
- Isaiah 54:5 (KJV)
"And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him.”
- Isaiah 59:16 (KJV)
“Thou shalt also suck the milk of the Gentiles, and shalt suck the breast of kings: and thou shalt know that I the LORD am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob.”
- Isaiah 60:16 (KJV)
“Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.”
- Hosea 13:4 (KJV)
Psalms 22 (KJV)
¹⁶ For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
¹⁷ I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.
¹⁸ They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.
“And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver.”
- Zechariah 11:12 (KJV)
“And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.”
- Zechariah 12:10 (KJV)
“But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.”
- Micah 5:2 (KJV)
“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”
- Isaiah 9:6 (KJV)
"Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
- Matthew 1:23 (KJV)
“And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.”
- Luke 1:47 (KJV)
“Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,”
- Luke 1:68 (KJV)
Look up what the Hebrew word is that was used for "salvation" in Exodus 15:2, Psalm 62:2, 62:6, Isaiah 12:2.
KJV Matthew 28:19, Luke 24:47, Acts 2:38, 4:12, 8:12, 8:16, 10:48, 19:5, 22:16
One Lord. One God. One Savior. One Spirit. One person. One name: Jesus Christ.
Until Christ is fully formed in us all,
-james
Here are Bible verses showing there are two: the Father, and Jesus:
■ "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him." (John 14:23) (The Father + Jesus = 2 . . . with no mention of the holy spirit as a third person.)
■ "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." (John 1:1-3) (The Father + Jesus = 2 . . . with no mention of the holy spirit as a third person.)
■ "I and my Father are one." (John 10:30) (The Father + Jesus = 2 . . . with no mention of the holy spirit as a third person.)
■ "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." (1 Cor 8:6) (The Father + Jesus = 2 . . . with no mention of the holy spirit as a third person.)
■ "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." (John 17:5) (The Father + Jesus = 2 . . . with no mention of the holy spirit as a third person.)
Only the Father and Jesus are mentioned in the opening greetings of the epistles:
■ “To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ”
(Paul, in Romans 1:7)
■ “Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.”
(Paul, in 1 Corinthians 1:3)
■ “Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.”
(John, in 2 John 1:3)
■ "Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ" (2 Corinthians 1:2)
■ "Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ" (Galatians 1:3)
■ "Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ" (Ephesians 1:2)
■ "Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ" (Philippians 1:2)
■ "To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ." (Colossians 1:2)
■ "Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Thessalonians 1:1)
■ "Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ" (2 Thessalonians 1:2)
■ "Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord." (1 Timothy 1:2)
■ "To Timothy, my dearly beloved son: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord" (2 Timothy 1:2)
■ "To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour" (Titus 1:4)
■ "Grace to you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ" (Philemon 1:3)
■ "Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord" (2 Peter 1:2)
The only persons mentioned were the Father, and Jesus. Can we be honest enough to admit there is nothing to suggest a Trinity - three persons - in these greetings?
There are many similar statements, mentioning only the Father and Jesus. Here are a few of them:
■ “Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.”
(Ephesians 6:23)
■ “Now God himself and our Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, direct our way unto you.”
(1 Thessalonians 3:11)
■ “Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.”
(2 Thessalonians 2:16,17)
■ “Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.”
(1 John 2:24)
■ “That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.”
(1 John 1:3)
■ “But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his”
(Romans 8:9)
Amen, Amen, Amen.
God made mankind in HIs image - male and female He made them.
The Son came forth from the Father.
The woman came forth from the man.
The Father is the head with the authority on the Throne.
The man is the head with the authority in marriage.
Yet they are one.
This is why you don’t just read single verses. Read the rest of John 14… the Father and Son dwell in believers *through* the Spirit.
@@TheDareD3vilThe Father and the Son ARE spirit and ARE holy. When they (the two) dwell in us we have them -holy spirit- in us.
■ "God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."
■ "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him." (John 14:23)
Great conversation and teaching, loved this, thank you!!
you need to read the word of GOD!Rev 3:12 john 17:3 and many other verses GOD is one.
Mike A Kuch Yes God is one being, three in person
@@LawrenceB123 one means one in person.
Jesus Christ has a God.
@@johndevisser3318 "one means one in person." Nice assumption, prove it.
@@sukka4pain
I am a human being,but i'm allso a person.......but i'm one!
God is 1 being.
God is 1 person.
God isn't a cluster of 3 deferant persons!
@@עמיחיאלימלך-כ8ל Notice how you have to bring God down to the level of man in order to make your point. Why are they analogous?
I was taught Tritheism... how do I unlearn that?! I want to believe the truth but I'm having a hard time not making Jesus and God separate. The Bible literally says Jesus is God's SON! How can He be the Son but ALSO the Father?? I'm so confused.
suppose there's a family called "Kingsley"
in that family, the father is John Kingsley and the mother is Betty Kingsley and their son is Simon Kingsley, and together they formed One Family, not three Family since Three Persons but those three persons together formed One Family. they are all different persons remember, there's their father, their mother and their son, but together they formed "one Kingsley family"
Similarly there's The Father, The Son Jesus and The Holy Spirit, and together They are One God
Tia,
One Lord. One God. One Savior. One Spirit. One person. One name: our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.
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"Looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ" (Titus 2:13).
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If you respond here, I will explain the incarnation, and how God is One.
Until Christ is fully formed in us all,
-james
@@HeWhoHasSeenMe The cult of the trinity has a horrendous reputation. So much bloodshed. Even right now, Orthodox trinitarians are killing their fellow Orthodox trinitarians in the Russia/Ukraine war. True Christians only worship the Father as did Jesus and do not kill others as Jesus did not.
It looks like this decade-old video is still pulling in comments from the servants of the Enemy, relentlessly trying to undermine the faith.
The doctrine of the Trinity comes from the Gospel (Mk. 12:29, Mt. 22:37, Mt. 28:19).
Excellent explanetion. Thank you Pastors!
Jesus: " The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of *my God*. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of *my God* and the name of the city of *my God*, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from *my God* "
Rev 3:12
Jesus does not serve a triune God.
It is Jesus' Father who is The one God.
*Jesus' God is my God*
Blessings
***** Yes, he is GOD's son.
***** How can JESUS be GOD's *son* and also be GOD who is the father *of* JESUS?
JESUS is *with* his father in heaven now......
JESUS says he sits on his father's throne *with* him.
The Father(GOD) and His son, Jesus, are not the same person.
GOD bless
OurHumbleLife The clarity of the trinity in New Testament is a confirmation of numerous references in the Old. Taking one verse and placing an interpretation on it outside of Scripture in its entirety is very poor exegesis and doesn't prove your point. Jesus said repeatedly in his own words that he and the Father are one. They reference several of these in this video. John chapter 1, which by the way was not a Christian invention. That passage came straight from a Jewish targum. John was simply identify Jesus as the one they were looking for. There was an understanding in Second Temple Judaism and a lot of commentary on the "Two Yahweh"s" because of the numerous references in the Old Testament, most clearly when it says 'My Lord said to my Lord." That statement right there is clear evidence that they are more than one an coequal. Isaiah 43:11 says, "The Lord alone is Savior." How can they refer to Yahweh and there be fulfillment in Jesus if Jesus is not Lord? Even the Shema itself refers to a plural unity. "Hear O Israel, the Lord your God is one." The word used for one in that verse is echad which is a plural unity. The best example of this is when it says in Genesis that a man and his wife are "one." Also echad. There is a word in Hebrew which means a singular one, it is yachid. As they said in the beginning of the video, the Trinity is just a label for a truth that is referenced throughout the Bible.
Jesus is Lord because GOD made Him Lord.
Acts 2:36
" let all the house of Israel know for certain that *God has made Him both Lord and Christ-- this Jesus whom you crucified"*
Who was Jesus' God, this God that he called his, the one he prayed to?
*Do you believe that Jesus worshipped a triune God?*
Again, this is a faulty understanding of Scripture in its entirety on the nature of God, Messianic expectations (of which there were several,) and what Jesus himself said. He said himself he was Lord God.
You are trying to put a human construct on an eternal God.
There are many verses that illustrate this, but I will let the words of Jesus himself stand as the best refutation of it.
Matthew 22:41-45
Then, surrounded by the Pharisees, Jesus asked them a question. "What do you think about the Messiah? Whose son is he?
They replied, "He is the son of David."
Jesus responded, "Then why does David, speaking under the inspiration of the Spirit call the Messiah "my Lord?". For David said,
"The Lord said to my Lord, 'Sit in the place of honor at my right hand until I humble your enemies beneath your feet." (Quoting Psalm 110)
Since David called the Messiah 'my Lord' how can the Messiah be his son?".
No one could answer him. After that, no one dared as him any more questions.
The title Lord was reserved for Yahweh and, again, there was an understanding of the Two Yahweh's in the second Temple
The flaw in your argument is twofold. Jesus did not worship "a triune God.". He Is God.
John 5:23 "so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him
John 8:49-50. Jesus answered, "I do not have a demon, but I honor my Father . . .
If he was not fully God, of the same essence, then all his statements and the instructions to honor him are a violation of the first commandment "Thou shall have no other gods before me.". It would also make false the statement in Isaiah 43:11 that the Lord alone is Savior
You can't pick and choose which verses to accept. You either have to accept them as a whole, or they are invalidated. God does not leave room in his Word otherwise.
The only way all of the statements are reconciled is through the person of Jesus Christ, who came as fully God, the Lord, to earth as fully man to atone for our sins
What you miss in that verse is that it says he is Lord *and* Christ.
He wasn't made Lord because he always was. . . But he was made the Christ, meaning he was the savior, the salvation of God (which is what his name means) referred to in Isaiah 43.
The word Messiah means "anointed one" in Hebrew. But that wasn't how the apostled referred to him. They called him the Christ. There was a concept of the redeemer, God coming as man, that the title Christ conveyed. It does mean "anointed one" as well, but there was a connotation that went beyond it
That is why in the book of John, two times it uses Messiah and Christ in the same sentence.
One of those passages is John chapter 4 when Jesus is talking to the Samaritan woman. Verse 25 "the woman said to Hm, 'I know that Messiah (Mesias) is coming, He who is called Christ (Kristos); when that One comes, He will declare all things to us.". Jesus said to her, 'I who speak to you am He."
The Christ, Greek word Kristos, was a qualifier, that there was a Messiah coming that was more than the other Messiahs, that he was God come as man, the Christ.
The Father is Lord. The Son is Lord and was made Christ, the savior of Isaiah 43:11
Romans 10:9. If you confess with you mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
If you confess him as Lord, meaning that he is God . . . Not that you follow him as an elevated member of the divine council . . . That he is and always was God, coessence of the Father. The salvation of God as God himself
If you don't believe that, you don't have his salvation and are preaching another Gospel
Thank God for the Athanasian Creed! It is such a clear, wonderful teaching!
It is clear and yet one word that is used to describe the Trinity is Mystery. A mystery is not clear…
@@playthislick Mystery can mean something hidden or not fully understood. God on this side of eternity is known but not fully known. We can know Him and yet because He is truly God Almighty He is beyond what we as humans or mortals can fully comprehend until we are transformed to dwell with Him in eternity. In the Eastern Orthodox church God is called a divine Mystery because He is beyond what we in our limited capacity, are able to now understand.
@bengoolie5197 The Athanasian Creed is a good explanation of the trinity, it has to be as there is no such explanation in scripture.
For a large book where God is the central figure, mentioned over 10,000 times by name and title, there is not one single unambiguous verse or passage anywhere that tells us God is a three person god.
It would be wonderful if it had anything to do with Scripture.
@@Mutant_11 Your every interpretation of any and all scripture verses is fallible and error prone, your statement matters not.
Isaiah 42:8
I am the LORD: that is my NAME: 👉and my GLORY will I NOT GIVE to ANOTHER👈, neither my praise to graven images.
KJV
Deuteronomy 31:16-18 And the LORD said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt sleep with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the 👉gods👈 of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and BREAK MY COVENANT which I have MADE WITH them.
Then my ANGER shall be kindled against them in that day, and I will forsake them, 👉and I will hide my FACE FROM them👈, and they shall be devoured, and many evils and troubles shall befall them; so that they will say in that day, Are not these evils come upon us, because our God is not among us?
👉And I will surely HIDE my FACE 👈 in that day for all the evils which they shall have wrought, in that they are turned unto other 👉gods👈.
KJV
2 Corinthians 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God 👉in the FACE of Jesus Christ.👈
KJV
John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have 👉SEEN👈 him.
KJV
John 12:44-45 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, BELIEVETH NOT on me, 👉but on him that sent me.👈
👉And he that seeth me SEETH him that SENT me.👈
KJV
Hebrews 1:3-4 Who being the brightness of his glory, 👉and the 👉express image👈 of his person👈, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent 👉name👈 than they.
KJV
A Trinitarian may mention:
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
KJV
Well question:
Is there more than one King and or Potentate?
1 Timothy 6:14-16
14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and ONLY Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
K.J.V
Look at (1 Timothy 6:16 K.J.V) “Who only hath immortality”
Jesus is the only one who have immortality according to (1 Timothy 6:16 K.J.V).
Question: Oh what does that do for God the Father
And the Holy Spirit; if Jesus is the only one with immortality?
If God the Father and the Holy Spirit are 2 separate distinct persons from Jesus Christ as you Trinitarins say then God the Father and the Holy Spirit does not have immortality.
Well we just read (1 Timothy 6:14-16 K.J.V) the CONTEXT there of who only have immortality is Jesus Christ.
1 Timothy 6:16 Who only hath immortality, 👉dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.👈
K.J.V
What is that “LIGHT”?
(A Soul)
Who is that no man have seen?
(That would be God the Father.)
Jesus dwells in that light very interesting and Jesus only has immortality and Jesus is the blessed and only potentate.
The holy spirit is given to the believers to help them to boldly be witnesses of the gospel of Jesus christ, and gives (spiritual gifts) knowledge, spiritual wisdom, and, and, and to do the will of God.
Amen!
•“ALL THINGS that the Father hath are mine:”
see (John 16:15 KJV)
•“Jesus therefore, KNOWING ALL THINGS that should come upon him...”
see (John 18:4 KJV)
•“...answered and said... ALL THINGS are delivered unto me of my Father:”
see (Matthew 11:27 KJV)
•“His disciples said unto him... now are we sure that THOU KNOWEST ALL THINGS,”
see (John 16:29-30)
Christ Jesus rebuked them not, but said concerning his return,
•“Of that day and that hour knoweth no man(Numbers 23:19), no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the son(Revelation 21:7-8), but the Father(Matthew 11:27, John 5:46-47, John 14:10-11, John 12:44-45, Deut 32:6-7, Malachi 1:6, Malachi 2:10, John 8:24).”
Mark 13:32
[32]But of that day and that hour knoweth 👉no man👈, no, not the angels which are in heaven, 👉neither the Son👈, but the Father.
KJV
For in truth, no son of God knoweth, no man knoweth, only the Father.
•Jesus Christ, “my Lord AND my God”(John 20:28), the Holy One of Israel(Isaiah 43:15, Mark 1:24), the God of Israel(Isaiah 45:15), the Savior of the World, the everlasting FATHER(Isaiah 9:6) and Lord of Glory(1 Cor 2:8) knows. Don’t be deceived... He knows!
Jesus said,
•“These things have I spoken unto you IN PROVERBS: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you PLAINLY of the Father.”
see (John 16:25 KJV)
•“If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, AND HAVE SEEN HIM.”
see (John 14:7 KJV)
•“And because I tell you the truth, YE BELIEVE ME NOT. Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.”
see (John 8:45-47 KJV)
•“Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe ALL that the prophets have spoken:”
see (Like 24:25 KJV)
•“Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of ME.”
see (John5:39 KJV)
•“Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.”
See (Matthew 22:29 KJV)
•“Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.”
see (1 Corinthians 1:24 KJV)
•“In the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God,”
see (1 Corinthians 1:21 KJV)
GZeus knows all things except which trees are in season and when the day of judgement will occur.
God is one in essence and three in person!!! Enough said
One Lord. One God. One Savior. One Spirit. One person. One name: Jesus Christ.
Until Christ is fully formed in us all,
-james
One Lord. One God. One Savior. One Spirit. One person. One name: our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.
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"Looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ" (Titus 2:13).
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If you respond here, I will explain the incarnation, and how God is One.
Until Christ is fully formed in us all,
-james
“A unipersonal God wouldn’t be loving until that God created other beings” on this view “power comes before love”. We need to differentiate between attributes and actions. Was God powerful (attribute) before he created (action)? Was God forgiving (attribute) before he forgave(action)? Could God love that which was not yet created? You have to be very confident/bold to say “you couldn’t say God is love except for a triune God” even there is only small chance God is unipersonal and said this. I would be careful to tell God what he can’t say to be coherent. All that said I’m glad people are having open conversations about this topic.
A question to all unitarians: if your God is love who did he love millions of years before he created Jesus? Only himself. ? In which aspect does your God differ from Islams God?
My acceptance of Christianity was less about the Cross and more about the Triune God. I grew up in a Christian home, so “Christ died for you” became like the wallpaper. Once I understood what the Church meant by praying “In the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” and not the “names”, once I studied the three relations within the Godhead, the less non-trinitarian theology made sense, whether it was with the Liberal Protestant tradition, the Unitarians, Islam, or theism/deism. When one plunges into the biblical theology and how the early Church made use of philosophy to speak about God and dialectic to defend the biblical witness, faith in the Risen Lord flooded by heart and life.
But there is no "godhead" in Greek scripture......and God is ONE person; THE FATHER.
@@OurHumbleLife that statement is full of shit
What is the name of the father? Jehovah, what is the name of God's son? Jesus, which means Jehovah is salvation. Christianity means anointed one, who anointed him? His Father Jehovah. What is the name of the holy spirit? It doesn't have one because it's not a person, but God's power.
Christ means anointed one
Yes your correct, auto spell messed that up
The trinity is just a CONVENTIONAL doctrine based on some statements in the gospels. The bishops of Nicaea had to decide whether Jesus was God or just his Son. Jesus said "he who has seen me has seen the Father" "I am in the Father and the Father in me" and claimed to be the "King of heaven". The bishops thus decided that "Jesus must be as divine as the Father". But Jesus further said that a blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is more serious that blasphemy against Himself. The bishops thought "no doubt, the Holy Spirit must also be a divine person". You thus get three "Gods". Since three "Gods" are not allowed because it would mean having polytheism, the bishops said "they appear to be three but actually they are ONE, we call it "mystery of the faith", for the common herd is more than enough". This is how that bogus theory was issued by the councils. The error in all that is the bishops didn't realize that the "Spirit of God" (the Holy Spirit) simply is "God who is a spirit" (Jn.4:24) i.e. once again a manifestation of the same God, not a third divine person. Indeed you can see in the gospels that no third divine person exists with Father and Son: the Holy Spirit is again the Father.
I used to be a Trinitarian in one of the world’s largest religious denominations for 53 years and taught and raised my own family the same for 18 years. I continued in this false teaching right up until the day God had mercy on me and sent me the Holy Spirit who led me into all the truth (John 16:13). What does the Spirit have to say about this pagan triune god called the trinity? If you have eyes to see and ears to hear, listen:
“At that same time Jesus was filled with the joy of the Holy Spirit, and he said, “O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, thank you for HIDING THESE THINGS FROM THOSE WHO THINK THEMSELVES WISE AND CLEVER, and for REVEALING THEM TO THE CHILDLIKE. Yes, Father, it pleased you to do it this way.” (Luke 10:21)
“Truly I tell you,” He said, “unless you change and become like little children, you will NEVER ENTER the kingdom of heaven.” (Matt. 18:3)
Now, remember that show, “Are you smarter than a 5th grader”? Anyone here smarter than a 5th grader? Let’s find out.
The topic is based on the doctrine of the Trinity. This doctrine declares the Godhead is triune being comprised of Father, Son and Holy Spirit who are “co-equal” with each other and “are all God”. Without being a bible scholar or having to twist scripture, this is really quite simple. Ready to play?
Elementary 5th grade reading and basic 2nd grade math show us the truth of this matter; hence being like a child just like our Lord said:
Open your Bible, go to the gospel of John and read the following verses for yourself: John 1:1-3. Now do the basic math. How many God beings do you count? 2 or 3?
Having established that both the Father and the Son are God from what you just read, now read the following verses: John 5:17, 5:19, 5:20, 5:21, 5:22, 5:23, 5:26, 5:30, 5:36, 8:28, 12:50, 10:30, 14:6, 14:23, 14:28, 15:10, 17:3, 17:5, Rom. 1:1, Rom. 1:27, 1 Cor. 1:3, 1 Cor. 1:9, 1 Cor. 8:6-7, 1 Cor. 15:27-28, 2 Cor. 1:2-3, Eph. 1:2, 5:20, Philip. 1:2, Col. 1:3, 1 Thess. 1:3, 2 Thess. 1:2, Phil. 1:3, Heb. 1:8-13, 1 Peter 1:3, 2 Peter 1:2, 1 John 1:3, 1: John 5:20, 2 John 1:3, 2 John 1:9, Rev. 3:12, 7:10, 21:22-23. Now do the basic math. How many God beings do you count? 2 or 3?
Those who consider themselves wise or smarter than a 5th grader, tell me, where in this world does 1 + 1 =3?
The Spirit can keep going on with many more verses just like this. If you have the humility to be honest with yourself and what you just read, you will see the plain truth and the trinity doctrine is debunked. If the Holy Spirit was in fact God, why was he left out of all those verses? What happened to being co-equal?
Little children truly believe in Santa Claus in all sincerity up until the day they discover the ugly truth of the matter, right? This isn’t any different. Why anyone continue to believe in a lie after the preponderance of overwhelming evidence?
So now that you have read and seen the truth for yourself, do you still believe in the false trinity doctrine or are you not smarter than a 5th grader? If you failed this test, go to your Bible and read John 8:47.
Another biblical fact: Nowhere in the Bible does it say that the Holy Spirit is God. Nowhere!
Christ also said, “the Father is greater than I” (John 14:28). Clearly Christ by his very statement said they are NOT co-equal? This totally scotches the doctrine of the trinity that claims the Father, Son and Spirit are co-equal. Who would dare call Christ a liar? Sheer foolishness!
How can anyone believe in the false doctrine of the trinity after reading the gospel of John? The gospel of John and other books of the Bible clearly testify that the doctrine of the triune god is a lie (John 1:1-3). The word “trinity” isn’t even written anywhere in the Bible, why would anyone believe it?
The world foolishly says about the Spirit of God that he is “God the Spirit”. Christ tells us that “God IS spirit” (John 4:24). Do you see how foolish this is already? Why does God need a Spirit if he already IS spirit? It is the Spirit of God. The word “OF” being paramount as the Spirit belongs to God and Christ; the word “OF” denotes possession/ownership. They own it and they sent it (John 16:15)
Don’t know who the Holy Spirit is? Simple, read John 1:51 and Hebrews 1:7, 1:14, and Psalm 104:4. There is our Helper in plain sight yet most are so blinded by the years of false teaching and lies they can’t see the truth. Angel of the Lord, Angel of God, Spirit of God, the Spirit of the Lord, the Spirit = Holy Spirit.
Paul cautioned us about false humility and the worship of angles (Col. 2:18). The Holy Spirit warned John twice in the Book of Revelation that he should not be worshiped (Rev. 19:10, 22:8-9).
Let’s really simplify this: If a fallen angel is a demon spirit that belongs to Satan, then an angel of God can only be what? A Holy Spirit because he belongs to God who is holy (Lev. 11:44, 1 Peter 1:16).
Think about it, if the Holy Spirit is a single 3rd person of the Godhead, how is it even possible we can we all have it? See how foolish this is already? Do I get the Holy Spirit today and borrow him to you tomorrow? How foolish this world’s wisdom is. The answer is found again in Matthew 18:10 for it is written:
“Beware that you don't look down on any of these little ones. For I tell you that in heaven THEIR ANGELS are always in the presence of my heavenly Father.” (Matt. 18:10).
The words “their angels” (Holy Spirit) shows ownership. The Holy Spirit for each one of us was not sent until Christ came into his glory (John 7:39).
Let the Bible explain itself, it's quite simple and straightforward. The teaching is very simple without having to twist scripture and believe in something that just isn't there like the word “trinity”. Biblical truth is based on the word of God.
It’s time to unlearn one of the greatest lies of so called “modern Christianity”. Believe in what Christ said and taught. Believe in what is actually and clearly written in the word of God and not in the invented mythology or eisegesis of men.
Get this, if you are worshiping the pagan invented god known as the “trinity”, you will never, ever receive the Holy Spirit (Acts 5:32) as you are breaking the 1st Commandment.
“that their hearts may be encouraged, being KNIT together in love, and attaining to all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the knowledge of the mystery of God, BOTH of the FATHER AND OF CHRIST, IN WHOM are hidden ALL the treasures of WISDOM and KNOWLEDGE.” (Col. 2:2-3 NKJV).
Whom has ALL the treasures of wisdom and knowledge as you just read? The Father and Christ. How many God beings do you count? 2 or 3?
Lay down your pride and what you think you know about God and the Bible and unlearn the lies. Repent and let God teach you. Unless you become like a child, you will never enter the Kingdom of God. Forget what you think you know as the Lord has sent me to reveal the simplicity of his teaching in spirit and truth.
Now let’s read Proverbs 30:4 together:
“Who has ascended into heaven, or descended?
Who has gathered the wind in His fists?
Who has bound the waters in a garment?
Who has established all the ends of the earth?
What is HIS name, and what is HIS SON’S name,
If you know?
Now, how many God beings do you count? 2 or 3?
“Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His word.,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.” (Pro. 30:5-6)
The word “trinity” is added to His word. Who is the liar?
If today you hear his voice, harden not your heart!
Repent for the Kingdom of God is near!
What I found ridiculous is the way the verse about being like children was used here.... That isn't exactly what Jesus meant. We aren't to be immature, instead, we must rely on God with a childlike trust.
I am also curious how you explain Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost". If the Holy Spirit is an angel as said in your discourse, why should we baptize people in his name? The Holy Spirit too is omnipresent, like God (and is God, but is also separate), so I dont know where the idea of it not being omnipresent came from. In the book of acts when the Spirit came upon the disciples they were all in the spirit.
1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.
6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
The people around didnt just think one of the disciples were drunk, they said "they", so multiple people were filled with the Holy Spirit. The Spirit is much more than just some angel.
Also, the word Trinity not being in the Bible doesn't change the concept of the Trinity, you can call it something else, it is still the same thing. The word Jehovah wasn't added into the Bible until the 1500s, and everybody uses that.
@@Zachary-h1l Go back to the intro of the comment, I didn't say anything friend, I speak as the Spirit allows.
“But Peter and the apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men.”
“Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I tell you? (Luke 6:46)
Christ and the Bible tell us exactly who the Holy Spirit is repeatedly in the Bible, yet many don’t truly believe what he said or have the “eyes” to see it. It is not in some hidden explanation or meaning, but in plain sight as it is written:
“You know about Jesus of Nazareth and how God POURED OUT ON HIM the Holy Spirit and POWER. He went everywhere, doing good and healing all who were under the power of the Devil, for God was WITH HIM.” (Acts 10:38)
And Christ said, “The SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS UPON ME,” (Luke 4:18)
These statements are going to totally corroborate Christ’s next statement of fact and prove without a shadow of doubt who and what the Holy Spirit is for it is written:
“Jesus answered and said to him, “Because I said to you, ‘I saw you under the fig tree,’ do you believe? You will see greater things than these.” .”And he said to them, “I am telling you the truth: you will see heaven open and GOD’s ANGELS GOING UP and COMING DOWN on the Son of Man.” (John 1:51)
What did Christ say was upon him: the ANGELS, the Spirit of the Lord, Spirit of God - the Holy Spirit. The very next chapter begins the first miracle Christ performs in Cana and all the miracles of healing that subsequently occurred thereafter.
Again, in Christ’s very words he also said this for it is written:
“See that you don't despise any of these little ones. THEIR ANGELS IN HEAVEN, I tell you, are always in the presence of my Father in heaven.” (Matthew 18:10)
Christ uses the possessive pronoun “their” as a sign of ownership for all who believe in the One who sent him. Christ sent God's Spirit (the holy angels/spirit assigned to each of those who are to receive salvation; Heb. 1:14) once he had ascended and returned to his Father (John 7:39).
Christ tells us who the Holy Spirit is again here in Mark 13:32 for it is written:
"But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the ANGELS which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." (Mark 13:32 KJV) Note: the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
"If you are ashamed of me and of my teaching, then the Son of Man will be ashamed of you when he comes in HIS GLORY and in the GLORY OF THE Father AND of the HOLY ANGELS." (Luke 9:26) Note: the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
…..”In the presence of my Father and of HIS ANGELS I will declare openly that they belong to me.” (Rev 3:5) Note: the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
“Then he said to me, “These words are faithful and true.” And the Lord God of the holy prophets sent His ANGEL to SHOW HIS SERVANTS the things which MUST SHORTLY TAKE PLACE.” (Rev. 22:6)
Christ said something very similar in John 16:13 for it is written:
“When, however, the Spirit comes, who reveals the truth ABOUT God, he will lead you into all the truth. He will NOT SPEAK ON HIS OWN AUTHORITY, but he will speak of what he hears and WILL TELL YOU OF THE THINGS TO COME.” (John 16:13).
“What are the ANGELS, then? They ARE SPIRITS WHO SERVE GOD and are SENT by him to HELP THOSE WHO ARE TO RECEIVE SALVATION.” (Heb. 1:14)
There is the Helper that Christ said He would send! The Holy Spirit! Spirit of God! Spirit of the Lord! So plain yet the world is so blind to see it by believing in man-made myths and theology instead of the true word of God.
Paul tells us who the Holy Spirit is for it is written:
"In the presence of GOD of CHRIST JESUS and of the HOLY ANGELS I solemnly call upon you to obey these instructions without showing any prejudice or favor to anyone in anything you do”. (1 Timothy 5:21) Note: the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Now go back to Acts for it is written:
“And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to SPEAK WITH OTHER TOUNGES, as the Spirit gave them utterance.” (Acts 2:4)
And Paul wrote this about the Holy Spirit for it is written:
“Though I speak with the tongues of men AND OF ANGELS,” (1 Cor. 13:1)
“For he who SPEAKS IN A TOUNGE DOES NOT SPEAK TO MEN, BUT TO GOD, FOR NO ONE UNDERSTANDS HIM; however, in the SPIRIT he speaks mysteries.” (1 Cor 14:2)
Now go to the Book of Psalms for it is written;
“Who makes HIS ANGELS SPIRITS, HIS MINISTERS A FLAME OF FIRE.” (Psalm 104:22)
“And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as of a rushing mighty WIND and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. Then THERE APPEARED to them DIVIDED TOUNGES, AS OF FIRE, and ONE SAT UPON EACH OF THEM”. (Acts 2:2-3)
Throughout the gospels, Christ was casting out fallen angels (demon spirits) from people. You have evil spirits who obey and do the work of Satan (the ones who were cast out) or holy spirits who obey and do the will of God (the ones who stayed in heaven and do the will of God) for it is written:
“Praise the Lord, you strong and MIGHTY ANGLES, who obey his commands, who listen to what he says. Praise the Lord, all you HEAVENLY POWERS you SERVANTS of his, who DO HIS WILL!” (Psalms 103:20-21).
If Satan uses his servants to inhabit and possess people to do all the evil that exists in the world today (turn the TV on), do you think God isn’t powerful to do the same with his holy angels to protect and defend his people? Paul was inspired to write:
“ For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against EVIL RULERS and authorities of the UNSEEN WORLD, against MIGHTY POWERS in this dark world, and against EVIL SPIRTS in the heavenly places.” (Eph. 6:12)
Now to understand what the power of the Holy Spirit is, you have to read John 5:4 for it is written:
“For an ANGEL went down at a certain season INTO the pool, and TROUBLED the water: WHOSEVER then FIRST after the troubling of the water stepped in was made WHOLE of WHATSOEVER DISEASE he had.” (John 5:4)
Understand, only ONE person was healed after the angel troubled the water. The holy angels have the power to heal only one person at a time which corroborates the statement of fact Christ made in John 1:51 as the holy angels (Spirit of God) would ascend and descend upon him giving him the power to perform miracles and healing (power would go out from him). God’s power, the delivered by the holy angels (Holy Spirit) was working through Christ for it is written:
“All the people tried to touch him, for POWER WAS GOING OUT FROM HIM and HEALING them all.” (Luke 6:19)
“One day when Jesus was teaching, some Pharisees and teachers of the Law were sitting there who had come from every town in Galilee and Judea and from Jerusalem. The POWER of the Lord WAS PRESENT for Jesus to HEAL the sick”. (Luke 5:17)
"But Jesus said, “Someone touched me, for I knew it when POWER WENT OUT OF ME.” (Luke 8:46)
“So the prophecy of Isaiah applies to them: ‘This people will listen and listen, but not understand; they will look and look, but not see,” (Matt. 13:14)
Now moving on to Matthew 28:19. The verse was added. How do we know this? Christ tells us that “scripture cannot be broken” (John 10:35). Read the very next verse as it is written:
“and TEACH THEM TO OBEY EVERYTHING I HAVE COMMANDED YOU.” (Matt. 28:20).
Now in the Book of Acts, why did the all the apostles not obey and ignored this very command given by Christ as written in Matthew 28:19?
What do you know about being mikveh (baptized) in the 1st century? One was baptized in the name of their rabbi as it is written:
"Peter said to them, “Each one of you MUST TURN AWAY from your SINS AND BE BAPTIZED in THE NAME OF YESHUA THE MESSIAH, so that your SINS WILL BE FORGIVEN; and you WILL RECEIVE God's GIFT, the Holy Spirit." (Acts 2:38 CJB).
If Yeshua the Messiah actually had given His disciples the trinitarian order of baptism after His resurrection; then according to the Bible (Matt. 28:20), they all disobeyed His direct order/command and baptized everyone incorrectly. How is that even possible?
The New Testament knows only one baptism which is in the name of Yeshua the Messiah (Acts 2:38; 8:16; 10:43; 19:5; Gal. 3:27; Rom. 6:3), which still occurs even in the second and third centuries, while the trinitarian formula occurs only once in Matthew 28:19.
Now let’s look at the baptism command Christ gave in the gospel of Luke:
“Then he opened their minds, so that they could understand the Tanakh, telling them, “Here is what it says: the Messiah is to suffer and to rise from the dead on the third day; and IN HIS NAME repentance leading to forgiveness of sins is to be proclaimed to people from all nations, starting with Yerushalayim.” (Luke 24:45-47 CJB).
Note: Repentance and the forgiveness of sins is done through baptism (Acts 2:38)
This command perfectly lines up with Acts 2:38, 8:16; 10:43; 19:5; Gal. 3:27; Rom. 6:3.
The contradicting verse (Matt. 28:19) added by the Catholic Church to the Bible when it was translated creates an obvious conflict in the text as Christ tells us that scripture cannot be broken (John 10:35).
And all that Christ said is faithful and true for it is written:
“So the prophecy of Isaiah applies to them: ‘This people will listen and listen, but not understand; they will look and look, but not see,” (Matt. 13:14)
The written truth can do only one thing for those who believe - set you free (John 8:32)
@@lcenteno262 The Holy Spirit is identified as one being in the Bible, not as all the angels.
John 15:26-27 says “When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me, and you will testify also, because you have been with Me from the beginning.” Notice that the Holy Spirit is called "He". "He" is a personal pronoun.
Acts 13:2 says “While they were ministering to the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, ‘Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.’" This shows that the Holy Spirit has a will of his own.
1 Corinthians 2:10-11 “For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.” Notice the Spirit is the only being that knows the thoughts of God. Angels don't know the thoughts of God.
Ephesians 4:30 states “Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.” The Holy Spirit has emotions.
1 Corinthians 12:11. “But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills.” The Greek word for "will" in this statement is "boulomai". Matthew 11:27 says Jesus has a "boulomai" will. Hebrews 16:17 tells us that the Father has a "boulomai" will.
Romans 8:2: “For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.” The Spirit is a Spirit of life. Only God is the giver of spiritual life.
Isaiah 40:13-14. “Who has directed the Spirit of the Lord, or as His counselor has informed Him? With whom did He consult and who gave Him understanding? And who taught Him in the path of justice and taught Him knowledge and informed Him of the way of understanding?” Here is stated the the Spirit is omniscient, all-knowing, like God.
Psalm 139:7-8. “Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence? If I ascend to heaven, You are there. If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there.” Here the Spirit is said to be omnipresent, like God.
Nehemiah 9:20 says, “You gave your good Spirit to instruct them.” And Psalm 143:10 says, “Teach me to do Your will, for You are my God; let your good Spirit lead me on level ground.” Here the Spirit is said to be good. Jesus says in Mark 10:18 “Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.’”
In Hebrews 9:14 “How much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?” Here the Spirit is said to be eternal, again an attribute of God.
1 Samuel 2:2 “There is no one holy like the Lord, indeed, there is no one besides You.” The Holy Spirit is called holy, "holy" being in it's name.
In John 14:16-17, Jesus says, “I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; that is the Spirit of truth.” The Spirit speaks truth, and according to Hebrews 6:18 it is impossible for God to lie. So the Spirit is truth, another attribute of God.
2 Peter 1:21 says, “For no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.” Here the Holy Spirit is identified with God.
2 Corinthians 3:17-18 says, “Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.” Here the Spirit is called Lord multiple times. The word for "Lord" in the Septuagint is "Yahweh", which God called himself at the burning bush. The Greek translation of "Yahweh" is "Kyrios". "Kyrios" used used to describe Jesus in multiple places, but in 2 Corinthians 3:17-18 "Kyrios" is used for the Holy Spirit.
1 Corinthians 3:16. “Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?” Here the Spirit is called the "Spirit of God", dwelling in us as does God.
Acts 5:3-5 tells us this: “But Peter said, ‘Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back some of the price of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.” Here it is shown that lying to the Spirit is equivalent to lying to God.
It is quite clear that the Holy Spirit is God.
@@lcenteno262 Also Peter in Acts 2:38 doesn't necessarily disobey Jesus' commission in Matthew 28:19 because if Jesus is God, and God is the Holy Spirit, they are all one.
a highly productive conversation to say the least. the Trinity is woefully neglected in evangelism as well as apologetics in our current age.
@theHoff1974 The one thing missing is there was not a single verse quoted that tells us God is a 3 person God. There isn't one.
It was woefully neglected in the preaching of the apostles in the Book of Acts too!! In fact we could say that God himself (not themselves) neglected to unambigously declare it anywhere in the Bible. A great oversight.
THANK YOU JOHN PIPER!!!
FINALLY!
I'm SO TIRED of listening to speeches about our God, the One and Only God Who Is a Triune God and Yet all I ever hear talked about are only of the Two First Persons, NEVER the 3rd Person which is ABSURD being that, that's what "Triune" stands for, 3!
Yet Only the Father and Son are Who everyone ever talks about Most as a rule.
DRIVES ME MAD
So FINALLY, (I'm glad I waited it out) at the Very End John Piper calls attention to the Holy Spirit!
About time!!
To Don, true that the Father never "Submits" out of Obedience to Please His Son, However, He DOES Please Him, just as the Son has Pleased the Father and as the Holy Spirit has also, as He with the Son also Please each other so Also the Father is Joint ONE in this whole dynamic of PLEASING each other, because that Is the LOVE of God Expressed Before man-kind.
Because the Father Loves His Son... (John 3:35).
He, the Father Gave ALL, Everyone, And ALL AUTHORITY to Him, His Son.
They're Like a Complete Full Circle, that EQUALLY goes around and around.
Outstanding.
If God is a Trinity, then call them "They". Quit calling God "Him" if you think they are a Trinity. Calling a Triune God "Him" is just as bad as, worse, than the sexual and gender pronoun confusion.
Why is there no mention of the origin of the trinity? This is where this conversation should have started.
@r.e.jr.1152 Probably because the 3 person God does not originate in scripture, rather it is man made.
@@TheCaledonianBoy
Exactly.
Did you listen to what DA Carson said or did you skip the video entirely?
@@choicemeatrandy6572
Does it matter?
If ONLY a three person God is love, then why does the Bible tells us the Father is love? The one who does not love does not know God, for GOD is love. By this the love of God was manifested in us, that GOD has sent HIS only begotten Son into the world so that we might live through Him. 1 John 4:8-9. That would be the Father there, one person who is love. Saying that only the Triune God is love is a lie which contradicts Scripture.
The greatest love there is would be to lay down your OWN life for your friends, not sacrifice someone else for your friends.
So either the father is the son, or someone else loves us more than the father.
The Prophet Moses was considered a G_d before the Pharaoh. Does that mean that he is or was G_d the Creator? Absolutely NOT! likewise with the Messiah when he came to this earth with a different purpose..... if he was called G_d by those who understood that the all Patriarchs were called “gods” or Elohim like Phillip told the Messiah? So, what's the difference??? The big difference is that even the Messiah himself knew that he wasn't the Creator Almighty being. That title and the exclusive worship belongs only to His father and the father only. Luke 4:8 This concept confused so many people that only understood "idolatry" distorting the Scriptures. Worshiping so called "Jesus" is considered idolatry by defenition and agaisnt the Commandment of the Eloyim. Repent wicked generation! turn away from idolatry. " The LORD answered Moses, "See I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and Aaron your brother will be your prophet." Exodus 7:1 Psalms 82:1-6 The Messiah called his father the "true God" not him. John 17:3 The Messiah was prophesied to be like Moses as a prophet and Savior like Moses, the only big difference is that the Messiah will deliver his people from eternal damnation and Moses delivered his people from idolatry and slavery. Deuteronomy 18:15, 18 So if Moses was considered a G_d before the Pharaoh, why couldn't the Messiah be considered a G-d before kings? Once again, this didn't make Moses or the Messiah the Almighty Elohym to receive worship in any way, shape or form. This act will be considered idolatry for lack of knowledge or ignorance. But ignorance doesn't justify sin of idolatry. The doctrine of the trinity or triune godhead was originated from the Vatican in 325AD first council of Nicea. The Romans were idolaters and worship more than one god and integrated their beliefs into Christianity.They were pagans. Do you follow their example??
Thank you Lord for these men. Thank you pastors with your regards to the knowledge of the gospel and God. We need to know it so in these times
This doctrine the born again ones can enjoy most because it comes from the bible and it is alive. In the conversion process the Father gives us this truth and it comes all together with the faith of the Son of God.
The true church must teach that God and Jesus are separate individuals - Heb. 1:3, Acts 7:55-56, John 17:11 & 20:17
The true church must teach that God and Jesus have bodies of flesh and bone - Luke 24:36-51, Acts 1:9-11
Fraudulent Trinitarian doctrine intentionally inserted into Bible (1 John 5:7-8). These two verses are missing from original Greek and Hebrew texts, nor are they found in the original 1611 printing of King James Bible. Many newer Bibles are now being printed without them. Think about the impact this single, intentional, and very critical corruption of doctrine has had on the entire Christian world for centuries.
Matthew 27:37
And set up over his head his accusation written, THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS.
K.J.V
Is there more than one King and or Potentate?
1 Timothy 6:14-16
14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and ONLY Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
K.J.V
Look at (1 Timothy 6:16 K.J.V) “Who only hath immortality”
Jesus is the only one who have immortality according to (1 Timothy 6:16 K.J.V).
Question: Oh what does that do for God the Father
And the Holy Spirit; if Jesus is the only one with immortality?
If God the Father and the Holy Spirit are 2 separate distinct persons from Jesus Christ as you Trinitarins say then God the Father and the Holy Spirit does not have immortality.
Well we just read (1 Timothy 6:14-16 K.J.V) the CONTEXT there of who only have immortality is Jesus Christ.
1 Timothy 6:16 Who only hath immortality, 👉dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.👈
K.J.V
What is that “LIGHT”?
(A Soul)
Who is that no man have seen?
(That would be God the Father.)
Jesus dwells in that light very interesting and Jesus only has immortality and Jesus is the blessed and only potentate.
Brilliant discussion. Thank you.
Amazing
I'm deeply saddened people don't believe in Holy Spirit as the Triune God. As someone already said here, In Matthew 28:19-20 (KJV)
"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost"
And in Acts 5:3-4 "But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God."
So whats not clear? What you dont get? Our Triune God, Father, Jesus and Holy Spirit. Our Triune God that we deeply need in our life. Glorify Thy Name!
The one true God is ONE person; The Father.....ALL of God is The Father! God CANNOT be divided. He is one.
The only God is the God of our Lord Jesus Christ and his God is the Father alone. There is no God but the God of Jesus.
+The Trinity Delusion Amen!! To those who are blind to the truth and believe a lie, I say "Truthful lips endure forever, but a lying tongue lasts only a moment." Proverbs 12:19. God's truth always prevail.
+Gold Diamond smh
What "smh" ?. It is your choice if you want to follow the traditions of men, rather than the word of God.
+Tyler Patrick Shanabrook I'm guessing you think Jesus is speaking about himself, and the left must be himself as well and the right must be his father at a later time but as himself... This is why I know people don't read bibles
+Tyler Patrick Shanabrook God bless my friend
Old TGC is incredible. May God grant you guys the ability to come back to the sweetness of this more and more centrally, with a clear masculine archetype in the God who reveals himself as a "He' to a humanity he wants to reflect both a corporately "feminine" relationship to his masculinity and origination, and an imitative "masculine" patriarchal shape in its social family organizations as a Bride of biblically mostly male-led masculine and feminine covenant households.
Your message is to intelligent for me to understand and I guess that's why no one has responded to your statement
Keep it simple professor
@@Eugene-th4ow
Here it is my internet student: This video good. Make more like this.
Question, which of the 7 holy spirit that stood in front of the throne of the lamb, is to you this God you say he is.?the holy spirit is the messenger to the world, to reveal Jesus christ to us only. Bless you all.
Can somebody explain to me the difference between echad or one in Genesis 2:24 and the echad in Deuteronomy 6:4?
@brettspearman3706 As you probably know "echad" is the Hebrew word for "one". If you were counting in Hebrew echad is the number one.
In Deut 6:4 "echad" is simply "one".
At Gen 2:24 "echad" is still "one". We have the same in English, the crowd rose as one.
When we use one to describe a untied group with the same will and purpose we need to know who or what that is to be one in order to understand its use..
There is no such qualification at Deut 6:4. therefor a plural God cannot be read into the use of "echad" in this verse.
Where at in the bible does God, the Father in heaven, ever refers to himself as " the Triune God?".
'One' does not mean solitude or something like that. Man and woman in marriage are one, even today we use words like ' one family, one team, one country'. One does not mean solitude. And the word God used when He said He is One, "echad", is also used for the man and woman coming together in marriage. So why does when God use it, the word suddenly means solitude?
Nita God never does!! This is a heresy and a damnable heresy for tht matter.
Nowhere, but that doesn't matter - because it is from humans that the truth of God is heard now, not the Bible.
He told me... I've never heard this word before. I'm seeking God any way I can, so I asked God to reveal himself and the Holy Spirit came and told me. I know it's right! I just wanna know the details of the real trying God.
No where in bible . Jehovah is one Jehovah deuteronomy 6:4
God is one and His name is one Jesus christ
In John 17:3, Jesus calls his Father, "the only true God." Jesus only claimed to be God's Son. (John 10:36) Philippians 2:6 says that Jesus “did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,” (ESV) showing that Jesus was not equal to God. In John 20:17, the resurrected Jesus told Mary, "Stop clinging to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God.’" Jesus only claimed to be God’s son. When Jesus asked his disciples in Matthew 16:15, “Who do you say I am?”, Simon Peter correctly answered in verse 16: “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
They are basically trying to convince each other with a merry-go-round explanation of the Trinity.
That first talker joking? This is the one hurdle that stopped me from slapping the Christian label on me. It's a lot to sacrifice to squeeze into the monotheistic banner
God became man just once, the incarnation. Now the LOGOS is once again, ONE with the Father in Spirit. (glorified, omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent)
Every discussion on the triune Godhead, like this one, everyone is incorrectly thinking 3-dimensional, time and space.
Try to think in terms of consciousness instead of location and see if it becomes much clearer.
God is not sitting literally on a 3-dimentional throne. Those were visions to help us conceive the infinite and divine with our finite brains. Jesus does not really have a sword coming out of His mouth, and He does not wear a rob He drenched in blood, and no tattoo on His thigh saying, “the word of God.”
1 Timothy 6:14-16 (NKJV)
14 that you keep this commandment without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ's appearing,
15 which He will manifest in His own time, He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords,
16 who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen.
On a completely different non-trinity topic, I couldn't help but laugh at the way this video is edited. Watch how the editor is mostly interested in what John Piper is doing. You get these unsettling long footages of Piper's face while He watches and listens to the others, with clogs and wheels turning. The editor is like, "I wonder what John Piper is thinking about what this other guy is saying..."
There is only one God. For everybody. Total acceptance. Unconditional love.
13:45 does god ever act as servant of holy ghost or jesus? no never because he is god. jesus is messenger and there is no such thing as ghost. god does not need ghost
He says you cannot have love without someone else then how do we love ourselves???
Exactly. The trinity dogma takes Gods love right out of the picture
@douglasarnold5310 God is the complete being. He does not need others to love even though "God is love". They would also need to believe that God had to learn justice after the rebellion in Eden.
What I can't understand in some religions is that they believe their God " No One like him " , while he is One like all what he creates ( Sun, moon, people, animals, trees , Lucifer .... ) ! How No One like him and he's One like all what he creates ! That's why " Trinity " is the Logic ! No one like the " Trinity " !!!
Jesus reveals himself in relevation.. I am the first and the last, the beginning and the end.. Where are the Father and the holy spirit
He reveals himself in genesis as well
There is no trinity to understand. Drop all myths and trust the Word of God without adding to it. It's critical for your salvation.
Remember, there are many more tares than wheat. Both groups are believers.
@@jjw00dw Yes, go do that. How folks get the "Jesus is God" myth out of that, is beyond ridiculous.
@@riikerman LOL. Do you believe everything man comes up with?
Less than 300 years after the Bible was completed, a trinitarian writer added to 1 John 5:7 the words “in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.” That statement did not appear in the original text.
“From the sixth century onwards,” notes Bible scholar Bruce Metzger, those words were “found more and more frequently in manuscripts of the Old Latin and the Vulgate.”
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👌🏼 Well said! Mic 🎤Drop!
I love these guys but disagree with their take on the social Trinity. Jesus' subordination to the Father is a volunteering submission of a fully equal divine person of the Trinity. This is what makes it so beautiful. It is not just an obedient son, but one who is fully mature with His own will in which He, in love, surrenders to the Father's will because He loves the Father. Without seeing this, you will never understand correctly Paul's statement about women being submitted to their husbands. It is not a submission based on "less than" or because "He is the Man" or because that is the man's role or because, etc. When a woman is fully mature, she can lay down her own will for her husband whom she loves. The power struggle is gone. She refuses to fight because she knows who she is (in Christ). In fact, it makes her more beautiful. She takes no hit to her dignity, but her dignity is exalted by the very act of surrender. The system these three men are using to describe the Trinity is a hierarchical system that when applied to humanity, makes for hierarchical relationships, and we've all seen how that has worked.
Good things mentioned here. It is Gods great right to hide His nature from those who would reject His truth. Those that defend oneness theology never satisfactorily address the way John makes distinctions in his gospel regarding the beautiful relationship Christ had with His Father. All they do is dig up a multitude of verses about God is one which is a broken record. We don’t deny God is one, the same way we don’t deny a man and his wife are one. It is so true that when these persons of the triune godhead are glopped into one, then the rest of doctrines goes haywire where you get legalistic teaching, baptismal regeneration, having to have evidence of tounges to confirm salvation. Once the godhead is accepted by faith the flow of understanding doctrine comes. God help us to accept the nature of God without having to figure it out with our fallen thoughts.
The god of oneness theology if he did exist would be pretty lonely before anyone was created.
I am glad that the godhead had tremendous fellowship one with another before anything or anyone else was made. We have a tremendous God that is past finding out. And we are invited into that fellowship. Amen
Praise God for the gospel of John sharing these truths with us that coincides with Old Testament truths too.
The guy in the middle I think John where in the Bible anyone worship the Holy Spirit like God the Father and his Son. I’m not talking about worshipping God in spirit but worshipping the Holy Spirit
What verse does it literally say God is triune? Can't seem to find it.
Genesis story of creation in the beginning God created, and the spirit of God moved upon the surface, John writes in the beginning was the word and the word was WITH GOD AND THE WORD WAS GOD. the word was the agent of creation. How can you be with someone and be someone with out being one and three
Geo,
amen, and you never will!
King James uses the word godhead
Matthew's gospel records Jesus saying "baptise people in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit".
Furthermore, we know that the Father is God (obviously), we know that Jesus claimed to be and is God (John 1:1, Mark 14:62, John 8:58), and we know that the Holy Spirit is God (For example, in the book of Acts, Peter says that Ananias lied to God when he had just said that he lied to the Holy Spirit).
Who told you to call God a trinity? Are you saying no to the God of Jesus? Are you saying Jesus was not born first of all creation?
@@jjw00dw- one what? That verse was added a violation
any takers?
The title is misleading. It should be, "Defending the idea of a Triune God, Trinity."
And, in the conversation it is said clearly that without a Triune God, the universe fall apart. This shows the truth that Trinity only can be defended by those who regardless of its existence believe in it but cannot be explain it.
The truth is it was an invented idea centuries after Jesus (God's peace be upon him). None of the Old Testament prophets mentioned Trinity, and so assume they missed on it is a blasphemy in it self.
John 1 1 in the beginning was THE WORD and THE WORD was with GOD(The Father) and The WORD was God(The Father)...Isaiah 9 6 behold the Lord will give you a sign a virgin shall conceive and bare a son and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor mighty God and Eternal Father!... and the word was God!.... rev. 19 12He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is The Word of God. 14The armies of heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and pure, follow Him on white horses.…
John 1:1 does not speak of a three-persons-in-one-God Trinity (Father is God, Son is God, Holy Spirit is God yet they are not three Gods but one God with all three persons co-eternal and co-equal). It only speaks of God and the Word. There are two occurrences of the Greek noun "theos" (god) in this verse. The first theos is preceded by the definite article "ho". When the noun has a definite article, it points to a distinct identity, in this case Almighty God. However, the second "theos", referring to the Word, does not have the definite article. Many scholars agree that the fact that the second theos does not have a definite article means that the word “theos” in this case does not point to the identity of the Word but rather to a characteristic or quality of the Word, that the Word is "divine", "a god", “god-like”, but not the same as “ho theos”. Several modern Bible versions translate the final part of John 1:1 as “the Word was divine,” “the Logos was divine,” “a god was the Word,” or “the Word was a god.”
Isaiah 9:6 calls the Messiah "Mighty God", but that does not mean that he is Almighty God himself. In 1 Corinthians 8:5, 6, Paul says, "For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." Jesus is a Mighty God because God is the one who exalted him to that position. Philippians 2:9 states that after Jesus's death and resurrection, God exalted him to a superior position and gave him the name that is above every other name." Does that mean that God exalted Jesus to a position greater than God himself? Does that mean that Jesus's name is even above God's name? The following verses explain that Jesus's exaltation is ultimately to bring glory to God the Father. Paul said something similar in 1 Corinthians 15:27, 28. God subjected all things under Jesus's feet. Paul explains in verse 27: "But when he says all things have been subjected, it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him." Isaiah 9:6 also calls the Messiah "Eternal Father". Does that mean that the Son is also the Father? Not even the Trinity doctrine teaches that the Son is the Father, unless you believe in Modalism. The Messiah is given this title with a specific meaning in mind. Jesus became the father of the human race when he became the last Adam.
You realize you're quoting a Greek philosopher when you say these lines, right? ... right? Let's hope you learned something in the last 6 years and you're not still an idolator. I mean I don't care but you're heading for an eternal fire with this kind of "thinking"... if it can be referred to as that.
Why does Christianity push Catholic dogma? We are required and commanded to believe that YAHUAH sent his Son who came in the flesh and that is that. He is not YAHUAH Eloheem and never ever said he was. Instead he confirmed he is the Son. Joh 20:17...I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my Eloheem and your Eloheem. ANYTHING THAT PREACHES YAHUSHUA DID NOT COME IN THE FLESH IS A DECEIVER , THE ANTI-MASHIACH ie the one who says Yahushua was Spirit rather than flesh FULLY ANOINTED BY THE PURE SPIRIT OF YAHUAH!!!! This invention of trinity and Jesus is God heresy is sent to distract from the TEACHING OF THE SON OF ELOHEEM which is to OBEY TORAH which the same pagan institution called the Harlot Church of Babylon hates. Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law [TORAH] or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to FULLY PREACH (Greek: pleroo) them. Mat 5:18 For truly, I say to you, until shamayim (pw heaven) and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law [TORAH]until all is accomplished. Mat 5:19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of shamayim (pw heaven), but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of shamayim. Mat 5:20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of shamayim (pw heaven).
My only reason why I don't believe in Trinity, now this is not to say that I hate trinitarians or anything of that nature; it's just they don't realize that when they are using scripture to try and confirm Trinity or to confirm that Christ is God they completely and utterly announced such as Proverbs chapter 7 and 8 on the personification of God's wisdom being a woman and our sister they use that as a euphemism but they want to personify the euphemistic approach of the holy Spirit empowering us and outpouring on to us. Where the holy Spirit if you read Ezekiel chapter 1 through 28 is actually debatable on it being a personification because even though God's spirit is able to open up our will and our understanding it doesn't speak and it always has to work under direction it can't exist by itself without having God generated from out of his very being on to Jesus and Jesus generating it from his very being on to us so really there isn't a trinity if you read scripture. Trinity is an added idea not a emphatic fact because it has to be theorized onto the page it has to be put on the page where if you were to read a written page in the Bible you won't be able to find trinity not by word or definition that's my only rejection of it.
There's no substantiability for Trinity it had to be shoehorned and said it was fact because the argument was so extensive; so the whole thing on God is love being a triune God how do you get past the fact that God doesn't divide his glory among anyone? Where all of a sudden it got to get a change of heart? He never did God is unchanging Christ is only a propitiation by means of only the scriptures themselves he's an appointed King like King Hezekiah and King Josiah and every King that sat upon the throne of Israel was Elohim they were not God in Divinity or nature so how is Jesus divine in nature if he himself had to be exalted had to be brought back to life from the dead had to be given power and authority in heaven and earth. So really that alone defeats the non contextual teaching of Trinity.
Now the argument of the deity of Christ where I've seen the accusation passed around where people have the man's mindset of should the Sun be coming from the father they are of equal and exact expression where in fact we must understand that God is a spirit and he makes his angels spirits, John 4:24 even says that God is a spirit himself a spirit person so if he's a person he's not as ostentatiously beyond our understanding as Trinity would teach to try and confirm this conglomerate God system.
Another thing that's taken out of context is Revelation chapter 1 where they confuse the alpha and Omega for being Jesus where in fact the Bible in all of its entirety says that Jesus is the coming King and Messiah if we recognize the plurality of Elohim to mean only the human aspect it would mean that Jesus is no more of God than Moses was or Hezekiah. Basically Jesus is just proving the fact that he is the coming King to rule the world and to bring order to the Earth according to the context of the Bible.
So he wouldn't be the exact essence of God because that would mean that we too are the essence of God so there's a lot wrong with the Trinity theology then anything can comprehend because even theologians that believe in Trinity say that the Trinity is not biblical but it's biblical that to me creates a god of distortion if it's not in the Bible but it is a part of the Bible....That's why I thoroughly cannot accept this.
If you love me keep my commandments:
The first commandment is to love Jesus Christ's God with all your heart, all your soul, all your mind and all your strength.
Trinitarians can't do this wich means they don't love God.
We are filled with all the fullness of God, which enables us to comprehend the love of God which would otherwise be out of our reach. Ephesians 3:14-21
This is a crazy claim… we are called to love God with all are our heart, soul, mind, and strength… why would a trinitarian not be able to do this? Trinitarians are loving who God is COMPLETELY… God is the father the son and the Holy Spirit… the father is the one who sent him (God), the one who died for all (God), and the one who give Devine power to all creature of the earth (God)… if you deny that YOU aren’t loving God like the first commandment said…
Question, in Colossians 1:15-17 is Jesus Christ, bodily the image of the invisible God, the first born over all creation, and created man in his image?
Col. 1:15 calls Jesus "the firstborn *of* all creation." He is included as part of creation, the first of God's creative works. The NIV mistranslates this verse as "over all creation." The word "over" in Colossians in the NIV is not found in the Greek. The translators replaced "of" with "over", not because that is what the Greek says, but rather to avoid "of" since it appears to make Jesus part of creation. Colossians 1:15 also says that Jesus is “the image of the invisible God.'' Rather than being God himself, he is as Hebrews 1:3 says, "the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven." (NIV) Hebrews 1:2 also distinguishes Jesus from God by saying, "He has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe."
@@jollyrancher521 Almighty God became flesh as the sacrifical lamb/body of God. And after the crucifixion, the sacrifical lamb/body of God is glorified and is now sitting on His glorious throne as almighty God, Everlasting father who sent the seven holy spirits standing before the throne of God to the seven churches of earth to testify to the gospel of Jesus christ. The glorified body of God who is the only savior of mankind. AND is called Jesus christ, Emmanuel, God with us, the angel of God Gabriel revealed the new covenant name of the sacrifical lamb/body of God as Jesus christ to Mary and the world, and is not a separate God or person. The scriptures says, that the work of God is that we look upon His son ( the lamb/body of God)and believe in Him. Because now you have seen Him. Question, what did Jesus say to Philip when Philip asked him to show us the farther?
@@jollyrancher521 Colossians 1:17 Jesus christ was before all things, and in Him all things hold together. V 16 For by Him all things were created, things in heaven and earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities all things were created by Him for Him. Question, do you reject Rev 1:8 and Rev 22: 12-13 Jesus christ is almighty God. Jesus christ is the glorious NAME of almighty God who is the one and only true living God and there is no other Rock or savior or God Amen 🙏
@@marcusvanrensberg6060 Colossians 1:15 and 16 says that by means of the Son, the firstborn of every creature, all things were created. When it says "all things", does that mean Jesus is God because nothing existed before Jesus? No. Verse 16 says that all things were created _by_ Jesus Christ, or _through_ Jesus Christ. When it says "all things were created by him", it is understood that this does not include God himself. Paul said something similar in 1 Corinthians 15:27, 28. There it states that God put all things under Jesus' feet. Paul clarifies in verse 27: "But when he says all things have been subjected, it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him." It is clear from these verses that Jesus is not Almighty God himself.
In Revelation 1:8, the one who calls himself the Alpha and the Omega is referred to as the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.” Verse 4 uses the same description - “him who is, and who was, and who is to come” - to talk about God. Then, in verse 5, Jesus is mentioned _separately_ as “the faithful witness.” This shows that Jesus isn’t the one being called the Almighty, the Lord God, or the Alpha and the Omega.
If you read Revelation chapter 1 closely, you’ll see a clear distinction between God the Father and Jesus Christ - they’re not the same. The very first verse points this out by saying that the revelation came from Jesus Christ, which God gave to him, showing that God and Jesus have different roles. Verses 5 and 6 say that Jesus “made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father,” which shows that Jesus has a God he serves, making it clear they’re not equal or the same person. Verse 7 talks about Jesus coming with the clouds, but in verse 8, it switches back to referring to God the Father as “the Alpha and the Omega,” not Jesus.
In Revelation 22:6-7, one of the seven angels is speaking to John, and then in verse 8, John takes over. The angel continues in verses 9-11, and then in verses 12-13, the speaker says, “I am the Alpha and the Omega.” This is the third time this title is used in Revelation, and in the first two instances (1:8 and 21:6), it clearly refers to God, not Jesus. So, it makes sense that this third mention would be about God too. When Jesus speaks in verse 16, he says, “I, Jesus, have sent my angel,” showing there are different speakers in this chapter. Given this back-and-forth, we can’t just assume that Jesus is the one talking in verse 12 and then say he’s Almighty God. Revelation 1:4-8 already shows that the Alpha and Omega refers to God, not Jesus. Throughout the book, there’s a clear pattern separating God and Jesus. For example, Revelation 22:1-3 mentions “the throne of God and of the Lamb” twice, showing that the Lamb (Jesus) is distinct from God. Some might say that verse 13 refers to Jesus as the Alpha and the Omega, but a study of Revelation as a whole shows that this title is consistently used for God alone. So, looking at the whole picture, it’s pretty clear that the Alpha and Omega in verse 12 is talking about God, not Jesus.
The farther is in me and I am in the farther, the farther and I are one. And I came to reveal the farther, by the name he gave me, the name above every name in heaven and earth. We are to glorify Jesus Christ only, and to be witnesses of the gospel of Jesus christ only, and why are you trying to make God more than one true living God.
God is the Ultimate Relationship. Not an isolated being trapped within but someone whose Logos; Reason; Logic for being is His beloved Son. He-the Father-created humanity to give to His Son as a bride, and the Church as His bride is that part of humanity who have been brought back into that ultimate love relationship in the power of their Holy Spirit. An isolated god makes no sense to my love starved heart! Reading John with its intimate talk of intimacy between Father, Son and Spirit makes sense. The isolated god of Islam and similar scary gods trapped within themselves terrifies me. If they were god I would rather go to hell. The true God invites us to share in Christ s relationship with the Father as the Holy Spirit baptizes us into body of Christ, which is the holy Church (see 1 Cor 12, for eg.). This is a God my logical mind can believe in. This is God.
What a liberating truth it is!Thank God
What an idea to liberate you from truth! Very true!
It is time that Christians now must believe the words of Jesus when he says that he is the "Son OF God/Father" and NOT "God the Son". God of Israel is the Father and God of our Lord Jesus Christ, and his Father and God is also our Father and God. Jesus and others in Scriptures say this over and over again in the New Testament!.
Gold Diamond That's correct and together They are one GOD. Including the third Person the Holy Ghost, They are three Gods who are one GOD. The Godhead.Three eternally separate individuals who are of one everlasting to everlasting Family called GOD. They are from everlasting and shall be everlasting. Live for eternity.That is meant for us too. We are gods in the making.
The manifold wisdom of oneness is fellowship. We fellowship with Christ, thus become like we were meant to be..... like our Heavenly Father and He. Fellowship in unity, love and Family is the meant *PURPOSE* of us all for eternity. The same purpose which the Father purposed unto Christ, Christ purposes to us.
There is only one way to be one. In the image and likeness of three men can be one is how three Gods are one. That is real and the is the true love of Family and it is real.
God bless.
+truthseeker staats
You altogether missed his point.
There *IS* ONE God, and "The Father", ALONE, is this ONE GOD.
The Bible makes this perfectly clear.
WHO does The Bible say Jesus is The Son *_OF?_*
*OF God! Jesus is The son of GOD*
It is GOD who is The Father!
Blessings
OurHumbleLife No. I did not miss that part. I know who the Father is and who are His sons and daughters. Christ is His first born.
We are all offspring..... we are gods.... He is God.
All who are His Family are GOD.
All who bear His name on this Earth and this Heaven are called........ GOD
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My point has always been..... the Father, His Son and The Holy Ghost are one GOD and we can become one with Them as They are one with each other.
It is what He/They want. Family is the fellowship and intended purpose of us all. :) ;)
+OurHumbleLife Amen brother!. Jesus is the Son OF God !!. Father alone is the only true God and we are His Children/sons, including Jesus.
+truthseeker staats We are not Gods, this is a dangerous thing to say, when scriptures speak of Gods and Lords they speak of it in a way to imply Leaders of a group of people and not in the same way as our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. He is mighty to save! He is " I am HE", HE IS the God Thomas claimed and He is the one that says this scripture HAS BEEN FULFILLED!!!
Did Solomon and all the prophets believe in the trinity?
@ojkiuy They would know nothing about a 3 person God.
Obviously Christianity is Greek Paganism and is not even to be associated with "Jesus" himself, let alone Solomon or John the Baptist or ANY of the prophets of God that existed since the beginning of time.
Christians have to go to hell, at least the trinitarians, and they're literally breaking the first TWO commandments so good luck trying to reason with someone who believes God is his own son or that God can die. I challenge anyone to make a more oxymoronical or paradoxical statement than "God died".
The Father and the Son are the Parents of the Holy Spirit, if most churches are correct. The Trinity is a Family-- two Parents and an Offspring, if most churches are correct. In the Bible, Jesus Himself said, " I and the Father are One".--John 10:30 On the topic of marriage in general,according to the Bible Jesus said "they are no longer two but one..."-Matthew 19:6
If we understand Jesus' statement "I and the Father are one" in John 10:30 to mean that Jesus is God himself, that would seem to contradict John 14:28, where Jesus says, "The Father is greater than I am." It would also seem to contradict John 20:17, where Jesus tells Mary, "I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God." The context shows that Jesus was talking about his unity of purpose with God the Father. This unity of purpose extended to his followers. In John 17:22, Jesus prayed to God saying, "I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one." Obviously, Jesus did not mean that his followers were of the same essence or substance.
I think. I think . Thats all they do
and the irony of that statement amongst Christians is not lost on me. The last thing they do is "think".
@@findtruth5329 it's there own ideas
Not from the bible
@@AstariahJW 100% correct.
It is so absent from the bible, they literally had to fabricate a verse to say it in the bible LOL
The answer is so obvious. It just goes to show that people have to be guided.
The natural mind thinks love is weakness. So a God of love must be weak. This is true if that God is not Triune.
I think the only thing that exists in this reality is the Source Consciousness/God. We see this clearly with people who have merged with the “all loving light” (God) during their NDEs. After they merge, they report that they feel an incredible sense of being loved, and they also realize we are made of the same “conscious stuff” that God is made of. (This makes sense, that we are all made of the “conscious stuff” that God is made of, since the only raw materials “he” had to work with when he created our souls was his own consciousness. And so he created us out of himself, so to speak.) And as these NDEers temporarily feel one with God during their merger, they report that they know everything that God knows - because they are at that moment one with “him.” But when they separate from the “all loving light” they lose most of that knowledge (because they are no longer coupled with the source of everything), but they do retain the deep, overwhelming sense of feeling loved by God. And most people, when they “come back to their bodies,” really want to share this heightened level of love with all of humanity. And now we know for sure. God is love, only love because it is all “he” is capable of. And anything that paints him in a non-loving way is just plain wrong, no matter what the source. All the best!
Open-minded Skeptic “He”*
God??? Time IS God manifests in Timing. Timeism I.S. the Riddle? Soul, Spirit, Mind, God
Awesome discussion. Thank you, brothers
The title of this video "Only the triune God is love" I assume is taken from the verse in 1 John 4 v 8 where it says "for God is love". If anyone would care to look this verse up in their bibles and read a bit further they will find that this God is the Father (as is always the case in first John) since it says in the next verse "in this was manifested the love of God toward us because that God sent his only begotten son into the world". So the title of this video should really be "Only God the Father is love" unless someone can produce a text to the contrary.
The Creator of the Universe is Only One Person. HE has a Holy Spirit and an Only Begotten Son who is our Lord and Savior. We worship YHVH GOD, in the name of Yeshua Messiah, through the Holy Spirit! Simple! Easy to understand! Not complicated! No incoherent Trinitarian mumbo-jumbo necessary to fully grasp who YHVH GOD, Creator of the Universe, is!
+John Q. Public
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it."
John 1: 1-5
I'm not trying to be rude, but I have a problem with what you said. The verse is very sharply claiming Jesus Christ's divinity with God who is His Father. Going on what you said if God is just one person that HAS a Holy Spirit and an only Begotten Son then it would mean that the Word(Jesus) was a part of creation and the Holy Spirit as well, which looking back to the verse from john we can see that that is just not true. The verse bluntly labels Jesus as God. In the for gospels Jesus claimed to be God. He also said that the Father who sent him is God. The Holy Spirit who was sent from Jesus. Three distinct persons in one essence.
This verse below is a glimpse of the eternal dance of love that has been forever occurring.
"In those days Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan. And when he came up out of the water, immediately he saw the heavens being torn open and the Spirit descending on him like a dove. And a voice came from heaven, “You are my beloved Son; with you I am well pleased.”
Mark 1: 9-11
This is just a glimpse of what has been happening for eternity. No one else has God opened the heavens for and declared that kind of stamp of approval than his Son, and the Spirit is uniting their love. This is just constant love all around, and is an example of why we--as his creation created in His image--even love in the first place. Constant love for eternity is what God has, and that is the reason why He created, because He loves and wants to share that love. Not because He was lonely, because if creation was done out of loneliness then yes it would have been done through a unipersonal God.
What makes Christians distinct is that we believe in a tripersonal God who is revealed through the Lord Jesus Christ. The Trinity is the most important doctrine, because it is describing who God is, and built off of this doctrine are all the others such as: Justification, Sanctification, Marriage, Wrath etc.
I know that communication in these comments on youtube can get rough, but I am not trying to put you down. I just wanted to point out what I disagree with you on on what you said, because it seemed to contradict scripture. Don't take my word for it. Read His Word. Watch the video again. Pray on it, because it is always good to exam yourself. I know that I will as well, but I only say what I have said because God has revealed it to me like so many others through His Son.
+Joshua Chavez --- Yeshua does not enter the text of John’s Gospel until verse 14. Everything prior to verse 14 is talking about YHVH GOD.
I like your phrase “the eternal dance of love”, but that just as easily applies to the factual truth that the Trinity, as it is described by Trinitarians, does NOT exist. GOD is GOD, Yeshua Messiah is GODs Only Begotten Son and the Holy Spirit is YHVH GODs HOLY SPIRIT.
GOD is a Person. Yeshua is a Person.
The Holy Spirit is NOT a Person. And yes there is an “eternal dance of love” between them.
Yeshua was made by His GOD and Father here on earth during the Immaculate Conception. That is what the word begotten means. Yeshua lives in eternity future but He did not live in eternity past. Prior to Yeshua’s conception He only existed in YHVH GODs foreknowledge. A foreknowledge that caused YHVH GOD to Create the entire Universe for Yeshua Messiah’s purpose. When YHVH GOD opened the Heavens HE was not opening them upon HIMSELF, HE was opening them on HIS Only Begotten Son.
So when YHVH GOD sent the Holy Spirit like a dove to descend upon Him, in the Jordon river, Yeshua’s GOD and Father would naturally exclaim, “You are my beloved Son; with you I am well pleased.”!What makes Trinitarians distinct is that they must confuse and conflate the who’s and the what’s of their own doctrine of the Holy Trinity.
Unitarian Oneness believers have no such problem because we know who and what the three spoken of in the Holy Trinity are and we do NOT have to make up fairy stories to try to explain something incomprehensible when it is perfectly comprehensible to any who wish to listen and hear!I hope this helps!
Thank you for responding, but I disagree with you on a lot of things you said, because scripture is disagreeing with you.
The verse in John 1:1 is talking about the Lord Jesus as the eternal word. Jesus was in the the text from verse one. The whole point of the gospel of john--just like all of the gospels--is to point to Jesus and who He was and what He said.
In fact, these verses "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men" clearly is talking about and declaring bluntly about Jesus being with God, and also being God Himself. Existing with God, and not just as foreknowledge. This is talking about the Great I am. I agree with you on that.
He is the only Begotten, and that means that He is eternally existing with an eternal God constantly in communion with Him, and the Holy Spirit stirs up this love in the eternal dance. The only way for Jesus to be the only Begotten to an eternal God is to be eternally Begotten, which magnifies love of God.
Here is proof below.
Jesus said He is the "I am" and this is a claim to always BE. If he was not self-existing then we would be worshiping an idol. The verse below gives credibility to that, and this also contradicts the thought that Jesus was just a thought in God's mind. Jesus existed with the Father.
"Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple"
John 8:58-59
He existed before He was born in the immaculate conception.
The Trinity is there from the beginning.
Then God said, “Let us make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness..."
Genesis 1:26
Creation would only make sense if God is Trinity, which He is. He did not create out of loneliness, which a Unipersonal God would, but He created out of an outpour of HIs love for His Son, who was "..with God...and..was God..." which a Tripersonal God does.
To say that He was thinking and creating the foundations of the world for Jesus by thinking of Jesus as a created being would be saying that God created for solely for His creation. He created out of an overflow of love for His Son that has been going on for eternity.
If they do "have an eternal dance of love"--like you agreed upon--then they have existed together before the foundation of the world.
By the way, I know that there is a emotional barrier between you and I because of the lack of physical interaction, but I am not angry or anything I just wanted to talk. I think it is alright to disagree about things and talk about them.
+Joshua Chavez --- Trinitarians are lying when they use the John 8:58 example as their evidence, because, the phrase that is used in John 8:58 is NOT the same phrase that is used in Exodus 3:14.
Genesis 1:26 can have many different meanings, even most Trinitarian scholars believe the “our” is a “royal we”.
You --- Creation would only make sense if God is Trinity, which He is. He did not create out of loneliness, which a Unipersonal God would, but He created out of an outpour of HIs love for His Son, who was "..with God...and..was God..." which a Tripersonal God does.
Me --- That is just an emotional opinion with no proof of
its validity.
Please answer these two questions. à
1. Is GOD a Person?
2. Does GOD know who GOD is?
I are not a Christian, i are not an educated one , i can read and write . I do accept the trinity formula . There is a circulation within the one God, Father Son and the Holyghost, these three cannot be without the other. There is no preacher in the world that says prayers using the Trinity. God is not angry at human applying the word Trinity to GOD.
@davidlingaard860 God is the ultimate complete being who needs no one. Nobody can add anything to Him that He does not already posses in abundance.
God does not need to be divided up into a 3 person God in order to accomplish anything.
There is one God and He is the Father, only the Father. Jesus is His only-begotten Son and the holy spirit is his powerful force that He uses to do things and often allows others to use also.
God is The Trinity three distinct personalities and persons of God to understand God, who God is. Moses Jehovah The Father, Jesus Yahweh The Son, Jacob Gabriel The Holy Spirit
It didn’t come from Jesus or his disciples. It came 325 years later from an Egyptian false teacher names Athanaus
The Diety of the fullness of Jesus christ is, 1 the farther, the divine conscience/wisdom of Jesus christ, 2 the living water of life, the eternal spirit of God, the bread of life, and 3 the body of Jesus christ the lamb on the throne, the triune of the one God, Jesus Christ created man in his image, body, soul and spirit ( life) as one person with a name Adam, this is the image of our God.
My book, PERICHORESIS AND PERSONHOOD: GOD, CHRIST, AND SALVATION IN JOHN OF DAMASCUS (Pickwick Press) might be helpful to this good discussion.
is it more like not going form U.P.C.L.
Wroth? Lol. Plaino wrath works. Dunno wroth🤷
Can't use Johanneum coma from john
Perhaps Tim Keller should not worry about teaching Trinity but worry and read what the Bible says about dudes marrying dudes because somehow he misses it or made up his own version of it and skip what God says about it.
Wow 🎉🎉🎉
Question, did the holy spirit standing before the throne of God, sent to the church of God, kill a person who lied to him, is this the holy spirit God that you are trying to glorify and say is Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ never said the holy spirit and I are one.
In Romans 8:9 “Spirit of God” and “Spirit of Christ” are used interchangeably.
@@andrewmrcz Please give us the scriptures that says that the Spirit of christ is changeable. Because the scriptures says that Jesus christ has and never changed ,He is the same for ever and ever.? And Jesus Christ was before all things and created all things by Him for Him and nothing can exist without Jesus christ, the Spirit of life.
@@marcusvanrensberg6060 I didn't say that the Spirit of Christ is changeable. I said the terms "Spirit of God" and "Spirit of Christ" are used *interchangeably*, meaning the terms are synonymous with each other. The Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of God, and vice verse. And yes I believe the Spirit is unchangeable and immutable.
@@andrewmrcz eternal life can not exist without consciousness and consciousness can not exist without life and do works in a bodily form. And this is who we are created in the image of God. You are a soul and spirit in a body as one person with a name. And you're body can not work with out your spirit and Mind/soul.
@@marcusvanrensberg6060 how is that relevant to anything I said?
The trinity doctrine has its origin in pagan Greek philosophy.
No, the doctrine of the Trinity comes from the Gospel (Mt. 22:37, Mt. 28:19).
@@pj_ytmt-123 I am not aware of any verse in the Bible that states that the Father, Son, and Holy spirit are three persons in one God, all coeternal, coequal and consubstantial. The Trinity doctrine was not fully developed until the fourth century after Christ. There are many verses in the Bible that are in conflict with the Trinity doctrine. For example, the night before he was killed, Jesus prayed to his Father and called him "the only true God." Jesus referred to his Father as "my God'', even after he was resurrected. (John 20:17; Revelation 3:12)
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@@georgejames6669
Oh my reply was censored. Heretical channel, I knew it! That's why it's already on my banned list of channels. See you! 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
The farther is the divine conscience/wisdom of Jesus christ,Jesus Christ is the infinite spirit, breath of life ,eternal spirit, living water of life, in bodily form in the body of Jesus christ the lamb on the throne, the Diety of God, the three are in agreement of the testimony of Jesus christ, the one and only true living God who became flesh and walked with man, Jesus Christ created man in his image, body,soul and spirit (life)as one person with a name Adam. Jesus christ is the wisdom and the power of God.
Always thought DA Carson was British
Zechariah 12-10 God said, with a spirit of grace and supplication,they will look on me the one they have pierced, and they will mourn, this is said long before the cross, Jesus Christ is the one and only true living God, Jesus Christ created man in his image, body, soul, and spirit (life) as one person with a name Adam, God has a name above every name in heaven and earth, Jesus Christ.
John 19:37 quotes it, and says "him", not "Me."
And compare it with other translations of Zechariah, not just the one you have quoted
@@wserthmar8908 John 19:37 And as another scripture says, they will look on the one they have pierced "this is the same testimony from Zechariah 12-10 by almighty God, Everlasting father, YAHUAH, now known as Emmanuel, Jesus the christ, the word that became flesh and dwelled with man. Are you denying that Jesus christ is the one and only savior of man and our salvation.
@@marcusvanrensberg6060, unfortunately, modern Christianity is overall wrong about certain things. The greatest in my opinion would be a) trusting the church traditions above what is written in the OT, and what the Messiah taught, and b) the neglect of the Law. But I digress.
Yeshua is our Saviour, Lord, the Messiah, and the ultimate prophet who died and rose from the dead, and he taught the Law perfectly, and fulfilled many prophecies. However, he is not the Father God Himself, and the Father God's name YHVH is above all other names.
Yeshua indeed had God in Him, His presence, His Word. But Yeshua is not God, our God is the Father:
John 20:17 Yeshua said to her, "Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.'"
Please, be open-minded enough to understand this stance
@@wserthmar8908 Jesus christ is the lamb/body of the Everlasting father, Mighty God, and Jesus said, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the father except through me. If you really knew Me, you would know My father as well. From now on, you do know Him and have seen Him. Question is Jesus Christ the image of the Everlasting father in bodily form. Jesus christ said to Philip, "Don't you know Me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time?Anyone who has seen Me has seen the father. Question did Jesus christ say, I am in the father, and that the father is in Me? And He and the father are one.
@@marcusvanrensberg6060, I mean, there’s just a lot of good explanations on the Interest. God being one is found throughout the OT, and Trinity is not found in the NT, it merely was deduced logically (and wrongfully.)
Well, there are complicated verses in the New Testament that can be used in a pro-Unitarian way, but overall the easiest verses make it easier to understand that God our Father is one, and the Messiah must be honoured, and that he indeed has God’s presence in him
In Heb 5:5 it says "You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.”
Jesus did not become God's Son until he was begotten of God.
These intellectuals are deceived and they are deceiving.
God is not a trinity. If God was a trinity then there would be no confusion. The trinity doctrine is man made and completely wrong. God is a family and we can be born into that family at the resurrection.
One Lord. One God. One Savior. One Spirit. One person. One name: our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.
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"Looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ" (Titus 2:13).
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If you respond here, I will explain the incarnation, and how God is One.
Until Christ is fully formed in us all,
-james
Yah right!
So John Piper how is your Reformed god have any love?
Quote from John Piper:
"God . . . brings about all things in accordance with his will. In other words, it isn’t just that God manages to turn the evil aspects of our world to good for those who love him; it is rather that he himself brings about these evil aspects for his glory (see Ex. 9:13-16; John 9:3) and his people’s good (see Heb. 12:3-11; James 1:2-4). This includes-as incredible and as unacceptable as it may currently seem-God’s having even brought about the Nazis’ brutality at Birkenau and Auschwitz as well as the terrible killings of Dennis Rader and even the sexual abuse of a young child . . .
Quote from John Calvin:
“The devil, and the whole train of the ungodly, are in all directions, held in by the hand of God as with a bridle, so that they can neither conceive any mischief, nor plan what they have conceived, nor how muchsoever they may have planned, move a single finger to perpetrate, unless in so far as he permits, nay unless in so far as he commands, that they are not only bound by his fetters but are even forced to do him service” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 1, Chapter 17, Paragraph 11)
Anyone interested in the real Gospel of Jesus Christ?
Listen to these true men of God preaching the truth. (TH-cam)
Dave Hunt "What Love is this."
Soteriology 101 Dr Leighton Flowers
David Pawson
Moriel TV Jacob
Mike Winger
And remember these words from the real GOD!
1 Timothy 2 : 3-6 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people.
Acts 2 :21And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’ 38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 This promise belongs to you and your children and to all who are far off-....
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Truth In Love
In the beginning was the word, but whose word is it ? God word.
How can you breaking the word of God and God.. the word was with God. Interesting 🤠 can your own word be with you.
The 10 commandments . 1) you shall have no other gods before me.
Nothing existed before God almighty.
Isaiah 43:10
There is only God nothing existed before God almighty it's important or idolatry . “You shall have no other gods before me.”
Jesus has no chance unless he is God. And jesus can't be God because he is a human being.
Hosea 11:9
For I am God and not man,
Numbers 23 19
For I am God and not man, nor the son of a man.
1 Timothy 6:16
All my own personal opinions and ideas and imaginations of the Godhead are utterly vain and meaningless and pompous pharisaical yeast, if not totally blasphemous. God describes Himself. He needs no man to teach you who He is. He Himself teaches you of Himself. You have no need of any man to teach you, for the Spirit Himself teaches you of all things. Ask God in Jesus Christ by His Spirit to explain Himself to you. He is the Living God, not a dead mute idol.
@steelmilkjug Exactly
That's a great question, I'm glad you asked. Thank you!
Why are you talking about the trinity? We are supposed to be worshiping the father.
I received my 100-fold 22 years ago, and I am always loyal to the father Jehovah God. How about you?
John 14:6 says, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me". This verse appears in the Bible during the Last Supper, when Jesus is speaking to his disciples.
You see Jesus' rulership is for a very short time. We need to learn from Jesus' example here on earth and honor Jesus' commandments so we will have access to Jehovah God, who is the ruler of the universe forever. (that's what John14:6 means). People have lost focus of the big picture. The New Testament is just a record of Jesus' life here on Earth, that's all. So, we need to follow Jesus commandments so we will have an opportunity to live forever.
John 17:3 where Jesus states, “Now this is eternal life; that they know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.”
Even Jesus Himself agrees that there is only one true God, which is not Himself, since He refers to Himself as separate and distinct from the “true God.”
If we follow Jesus' commandments will have a relationship with both the father and the son.
Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, “the Faithful Witness,”
- Even Jesus Christ was a witness!
Most Christian congregations don't have a relationship with God because they have rejected Jesus' New Commandments and The Lord's Prayer (they only worship the son, sports and holidays). And therefore, will not receive everlasting life.
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This is the first and greatest commandment.
1 Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and mind.
2 Love your neighbor as yourself. All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.
The Lord's Prayer
Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name. Your kingdom come. Your will be done On earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, As we forgive our debtors. And do not lead us into temptation, But deliver us from the evil one. For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.
The Lord's Prayer is very clear that the kingdom and the power and the glory belong to the father (not Jesus). Yet, most Christian congregations ignore Jesus' commandments.
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2 John 1:9
Anyone who runs ahead without remaining in the teaching of Christ does not have God. Whoever remains in His teaching has both the Father and the Son.
Matthew 15:8,9
These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship Me in vain, teaching as doctrines the commands of men.
Matthew 7:14
But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
We are to pray to God, not Jesus - remember The Model Prayer. Pray like this, "Our father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name." This is what Jesus taught, and the people in false religion hate it!
We are to worship God, not Jesus, according to Jesus' New Commandments and The Model Prayer.
Eph. 4:5 says there is one God and one faith - not many.
There are many religions/faiths.
But only one is right. The entire Bible verifies that!
All the false faiths must come up with beliefs that tickle their ears. (2 Tim. 4:3)
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John 6:43-45
43 In answer Jesus said to them: “Stop murmuring among yourselves. 44 No man can come to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him; and I will resurrect him in the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by Jehovah.’ Everyone that has heard from the Father and has learned comes to me.
As these scriptures bring out,
1 - No man can come to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him;
2 - 'And they will all be taught by Jehovah.'
3 - Everyone that has heard from the Father and has learned comes to me.
Also, these three scriptures above put an end to the trinity nonsense!
This message is very clear, if you are not being taught by Jehovah God or his organization, you will not receive everlasting life because you do not have access to ~ Jesus Christ ~ the Faithful Witness. Even Jesus was a witness. That means you'll need a Bible with God's name restored in 6,828 places.
Most Christian congregations claim that Jesus is God and will not even acknowledge Jehovah God's name. As a matter of fact, they hate God's name, and they are not going access to Jesus or receive everlasting life.
Also, most Christian congregations refuse to comply with Jesus' New Commandments and The Model Prayer. The most important scriptures of all and they are not going to be saved!!
Get a Bible that has God's name restored - instead of a false religion Bible that has removed Jehovah God's name 6,828 places. The correct English translation for the word JHWH is Jehovah.
All English Bibles say God's name is Jehovah (not Jesus). So the correct English translation for the name JHWH or Yahweh is Jehovah.
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The Chinese word for God is Shangdi
The English word for God is Jehovah
The Old Irish word for God is día
The Italian word for God is Dio
The Japanese word for God is kami
The Korean word for God is ha-na-nim
The Polish word for God is Bóg
The Portuguese word for God is deus
The Russian word for God is Бог
The Spanish word for God is Dios
The Scottish word for God is DOST
We are to sanctify Jehovah God's name - not Jesus' name - (hallowed be thy name) not hate his name and refuse to even acknowledge his name. We are to love your God with all your heart, soul, and mind. Instead, they hate his name!
Psalms 9:17
The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.
Psalms 37:20
For the wicked themselves will perish, And the enemies of Jehovah will be like the preciousness of pastures. They must come to their end. In smoke they must come to their end.
2 Timothy 4:4
They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
2 Peter 2:1-2
1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. 2 Many will follow their evil teaching and shameful immorality. And because of these teachers, the way of truth will be slandered.
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But for the wicked who rejected Jesus' New Commandments and The Model Prayer and hate God's name and his people and who only worship the son, sports and holidays, their options are wide open.
The wicked are annihilated-snuffed out of conscious existence forever. Biblically, however, hell is a real place of conscious, eternal suffering (Matt. 5:22; 25:41, 46; Jude 1:7; Rev. 14:11; 20:10, 14).
I believe in what the Bible says. How about you?
Since the wicked chose to be an enemy of God, they will defiantly be going to Hades or option A, B, C, D, E, F, etc. I have created a list of options that may help them decide before judgement time arrives, so they should plan in advance due to limited space. Maybe they will grant their request, but most likely they won't. But no sense in not trying!
Below is a list of options for the wicked.
A - Abyss
B - Aionios
C - Eternal Damnation
D - Eternal Punishment
E - Fiery Lake of Burning Sulfur
F - Fire and Brimstone
G - Gehenna
H - Grave
I - Hades
J - Hell
K - Inferno
L - Limbo
M - Lower World
N - Pandemonium
O - Pit
P - Pyr
Q - Shoel
R - Tararus
Their options are wide open, so they should choose carefully.
Matthew 7:14
But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
Have a nice day!
One Lord. One God. One Savior. One Spirit. One person. One name: our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.
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"Looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ" (Titus 2:13).
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Until Christ is fully formed in us all,
-james
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Titus 2:13
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13 while we wait for the happy hope and glorious manifestation of the great God and of [the] Savior of us, Christ Jesus, 14 who gave himself for us that he might deliver us from every sort of lawlessness and cleanse for himself a people peculiarly his own, zealous for fine works.
This scripture describes two "and"
of the great God - Jehovah
and
of [the] Savior - Jesus
It does not read Jesus is God.
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REST in the Word of God. "By FAITH we UNDERSTAND" - Hebrews 11. STOP MAKING UP terms, such as, "trinity"! You are only CONFUSING YOURSELVES as evidenced by videos LIKE THIS! REST IN THE WORD!