1) Trinity/mysterious trinity god of three persons (1+1+1=1) -- the doctrine of the people in the world whose god is the idiot god of this world that blinded the world and (2Cor. 4:4) AND whose Christs are the false Christs/god the son, god the Word, mighty god, creator god, man god (Matt. 24:24) "legacy" will END -- END OF THE WORLD IN HELL FIRE (Matt. 13:38-40). 2) MONOTHEISM/ONE GOD DOCTRINE (Ex. 20:3, John 17:1-3) -- the DOCTRINE of the CHOSEN PEOPLE/ELECT/LITTLE FLOCK of the LORD JESUS CHRIST/SON (Luke 12:32) whose GOD and FATHER is the ONLY TRUE GOD (John 17:1-3) -- the GOD and FATHER of the LORD JESUS CHRIST/SON and his LITTLE FLOCK/SONS/CHILDREN OF GOD (John 20:16-17) and whose "legacy" will remain and continue in the NEW BEGINNING -- ETERNAL LIFE in the KINGDOM OF GOD. 3) It's a CHOICE!
@@jb_1971 Amen. They are all literally so spellbound by their idol that they don't seem to notice that during this talk he basically calls Jesus and God "liars" and "hypocrites" because the Biblical Greek word for "hypocrites" refers to ACTORS playing ROLES and wearing MASKS. That's exactly what Sproul (so evidently in love with pagan philosophers too) does here in defining "three personas". All Trinitarians call Jesus a liar because they imply he "pretended" to be born, pretended to be a man, pretended to be tempted, pretended to die etc. Trinitarians (and Modalists) ignore and despise the first epistle of John because it warns them and exposes them. It was written to defend the identity of Jesus against Gnostics and we need it today more than ever. "Who is a liar but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ ["God's anointed one"]? He is antichrist, that denies the father and the son" (1st John 2:22) "Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh ["sarx/sarki"] is of God. And every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world" (1st John 4:2-3) "When Jesus came into the coasts of Cæsarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying "Who do men say that I, the son of man, am?" And they said: "Some say that you are John the Baptist: some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets". He asked them: *But who do you say that I am* And Simon Peter answered and said: *You are the Christ, the Son of the living God* And Jesus answered and said unto him: *Blessed are you* Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood has not revealed it unto you, but my Father who is in heaven" (Matthew 16:13-17)
I am a former Oneness Pentecostal . I came to see even without contending for a doctrine of the Trinity , that God the Father , Jesus Christ , and the Holy Spirit exist eternally and are in unity with one another . I see the concept of persons based upon the fact that God the Father , Jesus Christ , and the Holy Ghost have a personal relationship with one another and with Christians .
I'm a former OP too. Nice to meet you. I don't fully see it yet, but I'm getting there. There are still some things I struggle to grasp about the Trinity.
@@thegreatestoftheseislove1c379 . It is when someone is able to see God the Father , Jesus Christ , and the Holy Spirit as someone personal such as the fact that they speak , they love , the Holy Spirit leads and guides , the Holy Spirit convicts Christians of sin , God the Father has a will , and Jesus Christ did His Father's will , Scripture is clear that there is only one God and one Spirit .The one Spirit is capable of existing personally as God the Father , Jesus Christ , and the Holy Ghost . Many professing Christians are not willing to take the time to analyze Scripture regarding the identity and existence of God . That is why many of them tell lies about the doctrine of the Trinity . The concept of the Trinity existed in Scripture long before it became a doctrine by name . It did not come from a pagan doctrine like many Oneness Pentecostals ignorantly believe .
@@billiskra2073 Amen. There is such a deep reverence, and fear about our Mighty God. I am humbled by this Trinity that I am getting to know. His thoughts are so much deeper and higher than mine, I can only bow down and worship. He is Holy, Holy, Holy.
@@thegreatestoftheseislove1c379 , Thank you for your inspiring words . There are many professing Christians who need to learn to be humble and realize that God has made it possible to know who He is according to what is in Scripture . God the Father knows who Jesus Christ is . Jesus Christ knows who God the Father is.God the Father knows who the Holy Spirit is . The Holy Spirit knows who God the Father and Jesus Christ are . I am amazed that all of the authors of Scripture were inspired by God to write about God in such a way that there is no doubt who God the Father , Jesus Christ , and the Holy Spirit are . Many professing Christians use sources outside of the Bible to refute what is in the Bible . That is what is wrong with Christianity today .
He inserted his own views and personal biases into Scripture all the time. He was just too subtle for most people to notice. Listen again to the first few minutes. He cannot simply read the text without inserting stuff like "deity" which isn't there. He reads out Hebrews chapter one which repeatedly calls Jesus the SON of God. And then he goes on to imply that Jesus wasn't really a son... Because if he's a "DEITY" then he's not really a son i.e he wasn't born (and wasn't "conceived" in the womb of Mary) and the Gospel accounts of Jesus's birth are lies and Jesus also pretended to be just a man. By Jesus constantly omitting to say he was GOD, he was essentially lying. That's what Trinitarians, who are in love with doctrines of man, say. Sproul then goes on to explain that "persons" don't mean "persons" and he probably goes to great lengths to do that because Jesus says "God is a SPIRIT" in John chapter 4. He's certainly not a "person". But Sproul talks about MASKS, which ACTORS playing ROLES used. Did you know that the Biblical Greek word for "hypocrites" refers to the SAME THING i.e actors wearing masks??!! He's calling God and Jesus "hypocrites" and "liars" and you don't even notice because like most, you're mesmerized by his supposed "cleverness". Well, Satan is clever too. GOD is CLEAR and transparent, not subtle and "clever". It's the last straw when Sproul - out of pure vanity - then (like Roman Catholic academics) appeals to PAGAN Greek philosophy. The Catholic doctrine of Transubstantiation comes from a concept by the pagan Aristotle. Pagan philosophy is OF THE WORLD! It has nothing to do with the wisdom of GOD: 1 Corinthians 1:17 thru 2:16. Why not just accept Jesus's affirmation of Peter's declaration of his identity in Matthew 16?? 👇 Jesus calls him "BLESSED". I strongly suggest you repent of idolizing men and put your trust in what Jesus says about himself. God is his father, indwelling him (John 14:10-11) and the Holy Spirit is the spirit of God. It's very simple. PS I'm no modalist either because it is insanity. There is one God, one son of God and Messiah ("God's anointed one") and one Holy Spirit. "When Jesus came into the coasts of Cæsarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying "Who do men say that I, the son of man, am?" And they said: "Some say that you are John the Baptist: some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets". He asked them: *But who do you say that I am* And Simon Peter answered and said: *You are the Christ, the Son of the living God* And Jesus answered and said unto him: *Blessed are you* Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood has not revealed it unto you, but my Father who is in heaven" (Matthew 16:13-17)
This isn't the "mystery of godliness". This is :" These things I write to you, though I hope to come to you shortly; 15 but if I am delayed, I write so that you may know how you ought to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and [a]ground of the truth. 16 And without controversy great is the [b]mystery of godliness: God[c] was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory. I've been studying on the trinity for a while now and can I just say that there is a genuine need for thorough comprehensive study of the fundamental Bible truths we hold. People rely so much on the Pope, pastors, prophets and others to teach them the Bible, that they are prone to putting the pastor's word above the Lord's. We need to study the Bible ourselves through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. We have to allow God to speak for Himself. This is what God has opened my eyes to, now I see why sometimes Athiests and Agnostics and people of other faith think Christians are brainwashed, because we rather rely on pastors and church leaders to teach us about God other than having a relationship with God, studying His word, and questioning the doctrines that we are taught. The Lord laid it on my heart to tell you this. To tell anyone that would listen this. The doctrine of the trinity is false. I've studied the history of the trinity, tracing from Athanasius to Constantine and thanks to the Holy Spirit, I've left that belief. I believe in Jesus Christ, He is the Father incarnated. The Father, Son, and HS are not sperate "persons" but one person who has revealed Himself in more ways than one. It's important to know, especially when telling others about our faith, the truth about out beliefs. The Trinity has always been a hot topic in the church for centuries after Jesus ascended. It's nothing new. This is a brief summary of the history concerning this doctrine. But centuries ago, in the late 200s and early 300s, the leaders of the Christians church were trying to figure out what the NT books meant when they talked about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Because we have to note that the NT books were compiled around the 3 or 4 century. And this caused confusion The church leaders had no idea the relationship between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. So out of confusion they began coming up with theories, marking out their positions, kicking each other out of the church, and breaking up (this is one of the things that caused the East and West schism which was the break of communion between the Catholic church and other churches) and they told everyone who didn't believe in their doctrine that they would go to hell. The topic of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit was one of, if not the biggest topic among Christian leaders in the year 325. The Roman Emperor Constantine who is sometimes seen as "the first Christian" emperor when in reality the guy was a pagan and saw religion as a way to expand and unite his empire. So Constantine along with some of the church bishops held a council in the town called Nicaea, and these bishops came up with the first version of the statement of faith that attempted to define the relationship between the Son and the Father. The statement they drafted is called the Nicene Creed which is what the vast majority of Christians and Christian churches have accepted as essential doctrine. And yet this is where the church got off track why? because although the Nicene creed does not contain the words "trinity" or "persons" (neither does the Bible by the way), what it DID say about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit set the church on a course towards the doctrine of the Trinity of persons. One or 2 centuries later, the Athanasian creed, another statement of faith which was composed and assembled by St Athanasius, greatly expanded on the Nicene creed and DID include the words "trinity" and persons. This introduced contradiction, confusion, and polytheism into the church even though no one wants to admit it. (notice how none of them, not the church fathers, not Tertullian, or even St. Athanasius called upon the Lord, like the people in the Bible did. Whenever the children of the Lord wanted to know about God they called to Him and He answered. But in this situation, no one did that. None of them claim to even be inspired by God. All of this confusion was created by men trying to figure God out without the Spirit of God. God is not the author of confusion, but we get ourselves confused when we don't consult God about anything.
@@viviennebaptiste You stated, "... Jesus, He is the Father incarnated. The Father, the Son, and HS are not separate "person" but who has revealed Himself in many ways." 1) Please give your biblical references on what you stated. 2) Based on what you stated, how'd you relate it to the following verses: "John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee; 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent." a) The LORD JESUS CHRIST directly said and revealed that the FATHER is the ONLY TRUE GOD; therefore, SON/JESUS CHRIST IS NOT GOD, otherwise he's a false god. b) And JESUS CHRIST, being the SON, he is not the FATHER, otherwise he's the Father of himself and the Son of himself. Absurd. c) The FATHER sent HIS SON/JESUS CHRIST; therefore, the Father sent himself being also the Son. Absurd. d) The FATHER gave power to the SON/JESUS CHRIST; therefore, the Father is the giver and the recipient of what he gave being the Son. Absurd. e) The SON/JESUS CHRIST prayed to the FATHER; therefore, the SON/JESUS CHRIST prayed to himself or talking to himself being the Father also. Absurd. f) The FATHER to whom the SON/JESUS CHRIST prayed was in HEAVEN; the SON/JESUS CHRIST was here on earth and yet ...??? g) Your belief or doctrine is as unbiblical, confusing, and absurd as the mysterious trinity god of three persons of pagan origin with its 1+1+1=1 mathematical -- an idiotic doctrine and equation which are totally devoid of TRUTH and LIGHT -- babylon/confusion.
1) "outstanding teacher" whose doctrine is the mysterious trinity god of three persons (1+1+1=1) -- an idiotic doctrine and equation which are totally devoid of TRUTH and LIGHT. 2) The GREATEST and "outstanding teacher" is the LORD JESUS CHRIST/SON whose DOCTRINE is MONOTHEISM/ONE GOD DOCTRINE -- the FATHER IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD (John 17:1-3) -- a REVEALED DOCTRINE which is so EASY to UNDERSTAND and FULL OF LIGHT.
"Genius??? -- 1+1+1=1 mathematical equation for the trinity/ mysterious trinity god of three persons he preaches -- an idiotic doctrine and equation which are totally devoid of TRUTH and LIGHT.
Thank you Dr. Sproul for the clarity of your teaching about the doctrine of trinity. Your teaching remains as the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ said his word will still remained.
Sproul did not clarify anything about the Trinity, which would be impossible. Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christ allow a council of men to come together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seek to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind. 1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men.
Jesus saying about trinity 18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit and teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you; But I am with you always, even to the end of the age.
Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christ allow a council of men to come together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seek to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind. 1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men.
@@S.R.M. Exactly. It is a man made, antichrist doctrine that stops people from having a relationship with God THROUGH Jesus ("one mediator between God and man, the *man* Christ Jesus"), which misrepresents God and Jesus and which convinces people that they cannot be like Jesus (because "he's God" 🤦🏻♀️) which is what we're CALLED to be!! Have you noticed that Trinitarians and Modalists HATE and ignore the first epistle of John?? That's because it challenges and exposes them. And warns them, especially in 1st John 4:2-3. Jesus calls Peter "blessed" for declaring his identity. He also never contradicts John the Baptist, Nathaniel, Martha or anyone else for declaring him as SON OF GOD and MESSIAH ("God's anointed one"). Jesus would never say God indwells him (John 14:10-11) if he actually is God. It would make no sense. But that's what Trinitarians imply: that it was all a big pretense, from his birth to his temptations to his death (because Scripture tells us he was CONCEIVED in Mary's womb and it also tells us that God cannot be tempted and cannot die. So they're either very wrong or Scripture is). "When Jesus came into the coasts of Cæsarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying "Who do men say that I, the son of man, am?" And they said: "Some say that you are John the Baptist: some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets". He asked them: *But who do you say that I am* And Simon Peter answered and said: *You are the Christ, the Son of the living God* And Jesus answered and said unto him: *Blessed are you* Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood has not revealed it unto you, but my Father who is in heaven" (Matthew 16:13-17)
SHOCKER: THE APOSTLES NEVER BAPTIZED A SINGLE PERSON UNDER THREE ANYTHING, MATHEW 28;19 SAYS IN THE NAME (SINGULAR) THAT NAME IS JESUS CHRIST, AND THE APOSTLES ALWAYS BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST , ALWAYS AND ONLY, NO SINNERS PRAYER, NO TRINITY WAS EVER MENTIONED JAMES 2;19
GOOGLE "EVERY BAPTIZM IN THE BIBLE, YOU WILL NEVER SEE ANY 3 NAME BAPTIZM, FATHER IS A TITLE, SON IS A TITLE, HOLY GHOST IS A TITLE ISAIAH 9; 6 CALLS JESUS CHRIST, THE SON, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, THE MIGHTY GOD,SINCE THE APOSTLES NEVER TAUGHT THE SINNERS PRAYER TO ANYONE, NEVER BAPTIZED UNDER 3 ANYTHING, NEVER MENTIONED ANY TRINITY, DO THE APOSTLES LOOK LIKE TRINITARIANS TO YOU? ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, ONE GOD AND FATHER OF ALL, WHO IS ABOVE ALL, AND THROUGH ALL, AND IN YOU ALL EPHESIANS 4;3-6
Yep and just like at the Transfiguration, God says "This is my SON". Those who call Jesus "God" are calling God a liar. God indwelling Jesus (according to Jesus in John 14:10-11) is very different from him being a deity. In fact, he wouldn't have said God INDWELLS him if he was God because it would have made no sense. God indwelling us through the Holy Spirit (John 14:16-17, Romans 8:9, 1 Corinthians 3:16 etc) does not make us God! It's very clearly laid out in the first epistle of John in particular (where there are also warnings) but that letter is hated and ignored by Trinitarians and Modalists. Woe unto them. "When Jesus came into the coasts of Cæsarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying "Who do men say that I, the son of man, am?" And they said: "Some say that you are John the Baptist: some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets". He asked them: *But who do you say that I am* And Simon Peter answered and said: *You are the Christ, the Son of the living God* And Jesus answered and said unto him: *Blessed are you* Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood has not revealed it unto you, but my Father who is in heaven" (Matthew 16:13-17)
Jesus is not God in the flesh? Read John Chapter 1 everybody. The whole chapter. No denying that Jesus is God in the flesh, regardless of what cults say.
100.00 reward: present first the sinners prayer book chapter and verse, now do the same with the trinity. yes the trinity is absurdly catholic. yes, at the council of nicea. it cant be removed from history books. another angle, lets give the sinners prayer a chance first, jesus chose 12 apostles, the were to preach the gospel to all nations jesus told them and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name, beginning at jerusalem luke 24;44, jesus was just risen from the dead, that marks the new testament beginning yet beginning at acts 2;38- the apostles began spreading the gospel. book chapter and verse, when did the apostles preach a set of words to repeat as in the sinners prayer to anyone? according to every trinitarian anything, this shows the apostles ignored jesus, picture this: jesus is screaming ! no peter! why arent you having those people repeat the sinners prayer??? and why did the apostles fail to ever explain something that would be of paramount importance like the trinity? sin is explained everywhere in the bible as is repentance and baptism in jesus name for the remission of sins? why does jesus say he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. but he that believeth not shall be damned? and not he that believeth and repeats the sinners prayer ???
@@johnsonjamison9101 YOU are cults and the entire chapter of 1st John (AND 2nd John, especially verse 7) declares REPEATEDLY the identity of Jesus as son of God and Messiah. 1st John is a letter I have read hundreds of times (definitely more than any Christian I know but since they barely read it, that wouldn't be difficult!). You need to also pray and THINK because any honest person would admit that this epistle in particular (especially the grave warnings in 1st John 4:2-3 & 2nd John v.7) would look VERY different if Jesus was "God". God indwelt Jesus (John 14:10-11) and Jesus now sits at the right hand of God (aswe're told repeatedly). Neither of these facts make sense if Jesus IS God. I suggest you read your New Testament AD IT'S WRITTEN without interpreting everything according to your doctrine of man and following men like the despot and self-confessed murderer Calvin and the semi-pagan Augustine (whose "De Trinitate" influenced too many carnal men at the time, while the Council of Nicea used carnal manipulation and enforcement). Jesus is called our brother twice or three times in the NT. God is father. I tremble for people like you if you'll have to explain to God one day that you didn't believe "son" really meant son, you didn't believe Jesus was actually BORN, truly died or that God rose him from the dead...
The comments on this thread are very ignorant. He answered nearly all of these comments in previous lessons. This is a series. Are you guys a group of jehovahs witnesses or something? The bible is extremely clear Jesus is God. The term trinity is just a term used to describe what the Bible CLEARLY teaches.
Good evening brother John 17:1-3 doesn't say Jesus isn't God. That's not Bible. If you take your time and read the whole book if John you will understand Jesus being God in the flesh. 100% Man and 100% God..
"... can teach" false doctrine -- the trinity/mysterious trinity god of three persons of pagan origin -- a Goliath like doctrine that extends beyond the walls -- from paganism to false Christianity in the world with its 1+1+1=1 mathematical -- an idiotic doctrine and equation which are totally devoid of TRUTH and LIGHT -- a contaminating doctrine that has contaminated all the doctrines of the professing Christians and Christian churches in the world/babylon, confusions/divisions -- destined/prophesied to END -- END OF THE WORLD (Matt. 13:38-40).
God is one person Job 13: [7] Will ye speak wickedly for God? and talk deceitfully for him? [8] Will ye accept his person? will ye contend for God? [9] Is it good that he should search you out? or as one man mocketh another, do ye so mock him? [10] He will surely reprove you, if ye do secretly accept persons.
Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christ allow a council of men to come together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seek to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind. 1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men.
Sadly, as scholars and relious leaders debated siritual matters after Jesus & the apostles died they made vain attempts to understand the w inexpainable. They often ere influenced by greek philosophy and worse by roman paganism culminating in a state official church! Just as expected due to Paul's prophecy Acts 20:29,30
There are some 30 + twists on the trinity ,7 of them are in well known churches Which one is the true trinity ? they can't be all be true , they even debate with one another over the matter !!!
I think the best way to put what we have in Scripture-using modem wording-is a single living being, eternally existing as three centers of mind, will, emotions, self awareness, and interpersonal relationships with one another. In other words, just as we finite beings get one body/life force to go with a single one mind, will, set of emotions, self awareness, etc. the infinite God has a single life force/divine nature (essence) but 3 centers of consciousness. Always in harmony of will and action but with distinct personal experiences and roles within the life of the one Being Who is God.
Sproul had a different god than Jesus: "Father...this is eternal life, to know you, the only true God..." John 17:4 Sproul had a different god than the Apostle Paul: "As for us, there is one God, the Father..." 1 Cor. 8:6
What god do you worship, or have defined? Are you Oneness? Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christ allow a council of men to come together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seek to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind. 1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men.
@@S.R.M. Amen. Heh, one little formatting tip (someone said the same to me a while back). If you want/need to give a long answer on a format like this, it is best to make paragraph breaks by holding down "shift" and then "enter". The paragraph breaks make your answer easier to read. No, I'm not Oneness. I believe like Jesus and Paul that the one true God is the Father, and that Jesus is the Christ, the human Son of God. Blessings.
@@billschlegel1 Thank you for your kind suggestions. Most Christians believe the doctrine of the Trinity to be biblical, and they cite Matthew 28:18-20 or 1 John 5:7. But is the following the original quote of Christ? “And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, ‘All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” These verses are the modern-day rendition identifying an interpolation, so the question must be asked, “Did Christ speak every word found in these verses?” The first Church Historian Eusebius (quotes Matthew 28:19 as it appeared in the early 4th century, Christ said, “Go and make disciples of all nations in My name” (Matthew 28:19, as it was originally quoted, Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, Penguin Classics, 1965). Note, He never said, “...baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.” Which commandment did the disciples hear? It appears the latter quoted by Eusebius from an original manuscript of the NT, for there is no instance of the disciples ever baptizing anyone “In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost,” according to the New Testament! On baptisms specifically were done in the name of {YAHSHUA}, Martin Luther notes, “The apostles certainly used this formula in baptizing in the name of Christ only, as we read in the Acts of the Apostles,’ citing Acts 2:38; 10:48; and 19:5” (Erik H. Herrmann, Paul W. Robinson, The Annotated Luther, Volume 3: Church and Sacraments. Fortress Press. p. 66, 2016). In a documented sermon, Martin Luther made this astonishing statement, “It is indeed true that the name ‘Trinity’ is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man” (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, 1988, p. 406). The disciples of Christ in the first two or more centuries did not know of any doctrine of the Trinity. Historically, “There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the trinity-at any rate from him” (H. G. Wells, The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499, 1920). Therefore, without a doubt, The so-called Great Commission, as written is an interpolation: "Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 28:19, the words “...in the name of the Father and of the Son, and the Holy Ghost” were added centuries later). The disciples were to make disciples in His name, and they were baptized in the name of Christ only as the NT gives evidence. The formula is mentioned in the Didache (7:1-3), and it is mostly accepted as authentic due to its supporting manuscript evidence (Everett Ferguson, Baptism in the Early Church, 2013, pp. 134-5). Nevertheless, some scholars have held the view that the passage in the Didache is an interpolation as it is absent from the first few centuries of early Christian quotations, in which case it is believed it would be part of an apostolic or early Christian oral tradition from which both the received texts of Matthew and the Didache emerged, however, the conclusion is the church only baptized in the name of Christ. The view of the passage as an interpolation was in recent times maintained, and this particular line of opposing arguments by Trinitarians is pure eisegesis, meaning the process of interpreting a text in such a way as to introduce one's presuppositions, agendas, or biases, that artificially supports the Trinitarian formula, and based on interpolated verses added to the New Testament. Catholics and Protestants would agree with Protestant Theologian James White, who writes, “We hang a person’s very salvation upon the acceptance of the doctrine…We must know, understand, and love the Trinity to be fully completely Christian” (The Forgotten Trinity, pp. 14-15). And yet most other scholars know that the Trinity is beyond human understanding, “The mind of man cannot fully understand the mystery of the Trinity. He who has tried to understand the mystery fully will lose his mind, but he who would deny the Trinity will lose his soul” (Harold Lindsell and Charles Woodbridge, A Christian Handbook, pp. 51-52, 1953). Nowhere in the New Testament is believing in the Trinity a prerequisite for one’s salvation. Nowhere in the Bible did the LORD ever reveal Himself as a Trinity, or Triune God. Interpolations exist in the New Testament, which are words added later to prove the Trinity. Matthew 28:19 and 1 John 5:7 are proven interpolations, and therefore not of the original Scriptures. 1 John 5:7 is known as “The Johannine comma,” due to a sequence of extra words in 1 John 5:7-8 which appear in later versions of the Bible, but not in earlier Scriptures. Compare these words below in italics in the KJV and the same verse from the newer ESV. "For there are three that bear record (witness) in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one" (1 John 5:7-8 KJV). "For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree" (1 John 5:7-8, ESV). These extra words are generally absent from the early Greek manuscripts. They only appear in the text in late medieval manuscripts, which were done by Trinitarians to bolster the man-made doctrine of the Trinity. The Trinitarian doctrine only existed since the 4th century! A religion unexamined is not worth having. Besides, most Christians when questioned about the Trinity prove to be Modalists, not Trinitarians (The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). Christians have given examples of the Trinity, and one is the steam, water, and ice, which is not a good example for it only proves modalism. The Trinity is not so much a mystery as it is the doctrine of confusion, and we know that God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33).
Brilliant teaching? It's all pagan and you are ALL closet Catholics. R.C. Sproul, in his book What is Reformed Theology? “the Reformers *embraced* the doctrines articulated and formulated by the great ecumenical councils of church history, *including the doctrine of the Trinity and of Christ’s person* and work formulated at the councils of Nicea in 325 and Chalcedon in 451.” Ch. 1 pg.28-29
@@P.H.888 I'm not a Catholic but a Biblical Christian. I do not believe in three gods rolled up into one. That comes from the occult. I can show you a christan in the Bible, show me Catholic in the Bible. The reason the seperation is made, is because, Catholics believe in Babylonian mysticism and Biblical Christians don't.
@@P.H.888 Do people know the word Catholic means "Universal" for Church? It is different from the "Roman Catholic Church" of cause. I'm not a Roman Catholic.
I struggle to grasp this, but if I could fully grasp the creator who is larger than all the cosmos he gave us to explore, how grand would he really be?
Read the history of Jesus. God sent him for a purpose. Jesus helped humans come to know God. Jesus in his prayer to his God Jehovah said: (John 17:3) This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
I traded to defend the doctrine that Jesus was the second person of God... Thankfully God the Father blessed me with his grace and mercy about the truth. God is one person, the Shema! Please share your thoughts if you are interested in knowing more
blessings, i have gone the same route you have. God is indeed one (not three) and i stand by my comments on this list, about same as you, three months ago. Jesus is not God, but as the begotten son of God, has been sent as the passover lamb and then raised to right hand of the one God, his God too. He is seated on Gods throne of authority and given power to rule, just like Joseph was under Pharaoh in egypt. A foreshadow of what God was going to do.... and the great sorrow is that 99% of christian believers cant see it so dont really "know their lord" when did you see through the smokescreen of traditional religion? it took me over 30 years with 20 of them knowing something didnt add up but not knowing where to start figuring it out. 1Cor12:1 started me off, a word (gifts) added by translators and in brackets in old KJV and italics in greek interlinear, because it doesnt exist in the original. changes meaning of 1cor12. they are manifestations of the one which is a gift, holy spirit within, every believer! i went searching for other meddling, and found heaps. Heb1:2 is strikingly obvious and a favourite trinity proof by the misinformed trinity believers. Its such a travesty, and is painful to see the gushing praise for guys like Sproul who perpetrate the lie.
@NeedGod dot com someone doesnt like my carefully explained answers to your points. Can you explain your understanding of 1Tim2:5 "there is one God, and one mediator BETWEEN God and man, the MAN Jesus anointed." ?? any explanation as to how Jesus right now is still a man?
Being worshipped as the King and Messiah doesn't mean you're Yahweh Elohim. If you look into the Hebrew for "worship" you see that even Moses worshiped jus father in law, it was not a sign that you thought the person was always Yahweh
@NeedGod dot com thanks for the answer and the info that you too are getting non sticking comments. I spent two hours last night around this time, answered each point carefully and this morning blank. All those points you made my friend are normal trinity fare, i was one for over 30 years making those same claims in home groups and bible studies and to the non saved. In 2017 God woke me up over a simple added word in 1cor12. It made me wonder what else had been added or adulerated by the averaged belief of the translators, so i prayed for wisdom and Gods truth on what i was reading. Over about 6 weeks half a doz of my familiar proif verses, some you mention here, fell off. They have different contextual meaning in their chapter settings, than the proofs of incarnation and deity to make Jesus God. Jesus did not come down to be a man, he was born a man by Gods direct creative act within Mary, a second Adam as Paul says, a seed of the woman (Gen3:15) and the lamb of God, who through his obedience (unlike the other perfect man who through self centred will grasped at the temptation, equality with God) (see phil2:6) So how do you from a trinity point of view describe the meaning of 1Tim2:5? At this question others stop commenting.
yes we dont have three gods, We have One God who is omnipresent and reveals Himself in three omnipresent personages and personalities. Creatures of Ezekiel are four face on one body. Its in His image to create as HE is like.
100.00 reward: present first the sinners prayer book chapter and verse, now do the same with the trinity. yes the trinity is absurdly catholic. yes, at the council of nicea. it cant be removed from history books. another angle, lets give the sinners prayer a chance first, jesus chose 12 apostles, the were to preach the gospel to all nations jesus told them and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name, beginning at jerusalem luke 24;44, jesus was just risen from the dead, that marks the new testament beginning yet beginning at acts 2;38- the apostles began spreading the gospel. book chapter and verse, when did the apostles preach a set of words to repeat as in the sinners prayer to anyone? according to every trinitarian anything, this shows the apostles ignored jesus, picture this: jesus is screaming ! no peter! why arent you having those people repeat the sinners prayer??? and why did the apostles fail to ever explain something that would be of paramount importance like the trinity? sin is explained everywhere in the bible as is repentance and baptism in jesus name for the remission of sins? why does jesus say he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. but he that believeth not shall be damned? and not he that believeth and repeats the sinners prayer ???
@@AlfredGallegos-no4pb john 14:15If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. 16And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Advocate to be with you forever- 17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot receive Him, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him.
@@Elvengem philip asked JESUS, LORD, show us the father and it will suffice us, JESUS SAID UNTO HIM, PHILLIP. HAVE I BEEN SO LONG A TIME WITH YOU AND YET HAST THOU NOT KNOWN ME? IF YOU LOVE ME, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS, HERE IS JESUS AGAIN, HE THAT BELIEVETH AND IS BAPTIZED SHALL BE SAVED, BUT HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT SHALL BE DAMNED MARK 16;16 BAPTIZED HOW? AND FOR WHAT? ACTS 2;38 SAYS IN THE NAME OF JESUS, AND FOR FORGIVENESS OF SINS, IN THE WORDS YOU POSTED JESUS HAD NOT YET BEEN CRUCIFIED AND HAD NOT YET BEEN GLORIFIED, HAD NOT YET BORN OUR SINS THE RISEN AND GONE TO HEAVEN TO HIS RIGHTFULL PLACE, GOD, IS A SPIRIT AND HE CAME DOWN AND TOOK ON FLESH WHEN WE WERE BORN WE TOOK ON FLESH BUT WE DONT LIVE IN 3 SEPERATE PLACES, AND FATHER? THE EVERLASTING FATHER, THE SON, THE MIGHTY GOD, IS JESUS ISAIAH 9;6
Jesus was created as stated in Col.1: 15 -17 "He is the image of the invisible God, the first born of all creation; for in him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, ......all things were created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together." Jesus referred to himself as "the beginning of God's creation" Rev. 3:14
@@juboy04 Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christ allow a council of men to come together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seek to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind. 1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men.
@@S.R.M. oh you falsely claim Christ or the apostles never taught the trinity? Jesus claimed he was God and always spoke of the Father and the spirit were God as well . The apostles acknowledged Jesus as God , yet they made a distinction of the Father and Spirit being God as well .
*IS THE TRINITY REASONABLE?* ▪︎ God asked *[the essence of]* Himself and offered *[the essence of]* Himself as sacrifice to *[the essence of]* Himself to go to earth to save mankind Himself. ▪︎ Then He agreed with *[the essence of]* Himself and offered *[the essence of]* Himself as volunteer to do it Himself. ▪︎ Then He impregnated *His mother* with His Holy Spirit (which is also *[the essence of]* Himself) to give birth to *[the essence of]* Himself. ▪︎ While on earth, God prayed to *[the essence of]* Himself (John 17:1) and glorified *[the essence of]* Himself repeatedly. ▪︎ He prayed to *[the essence of]* Himself and offered supplications (Heb. 5:7-8) to *[the essence of]* Himself because he needed to strengthen *[the essence of]* Himself. ▪︎ Finally, God forsook *[the essence of]* Himself (Matt. 27:46) and sacrificed *[the essence of]* Himself to prove His loyalty to *[the essence of]* Himself (Heb. 3:2,6). ▪︎ While dead, He resurrected *[the essence of]* Himself (Acts 2:24), so that He could exalt *[the essence of]* Himself above *[the essence of]* Himself (Acts 2:33). ▪︎ Then He sat at *[the essence of]* His own right hand (Heb. 1:3, Psalm 110:1) and waited for *[the essence of]* Himself to place His enemies as a footstool under *[the essence of]* His own feet (1Cor. 15:25) 👎🏽 ~~~~~~~~ *[Please Show Me These Terms in Scripture]:* • *"Co-Equal Essence (or Substance) of the Godhead"* • *God the Son* • *Holy Trinity*
The only essences are what are found in the store which are used for cakes and other confectionaries. Trinitarians make up terms because the scriptures are of no help.
Explanation 1- In Isa. 43:10,11 the speaker is : LORD (yhwh). 2- In verse 10, he says "understand that (I am he)". 3- In verse 11, the LORD claims to be the only savior. 4- In John 8:24. below the speaker is Jesus and He also says (I am he). and if you don't believe that, you will die in your sin. 5- In Isa. 48:12 The speaker is the (I am he), and (I am the first, and I am the last). 6- In Isa. 48 16. The one who SENDS is Lord GOD yhwh/adonay. 7- In Isa. 48:17 The speaker which is SENT (LORD God) is yhwh/elohim who also claims to be the Redeemer. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Isa. 43:10,11. 10 You are my witnesses,” declares the LORD, “and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that (I am he). Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me. 11 I, I am the (LORD), and besides me there is no (savior). John 8:24 24. 24 I told you that you would die in your sins, for unless you believe that (I am he) you will die in your sins.” Isa. 48:12 “Listen to me, O Jacob, and Israel, whom I called! (I am he); I am the first, and I am the last. Isa. 48:16 Draw near to me, hear this: from the beginning I have not spoken in secret, from the time it came to be I have been there.” And now the Lord GOD has sent me, and his Spirit. Isa. 48:17 17a Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel: “I am the LORD your God, ...
I have a question for all 'trinitarians'; When John said "We had a view of his Glory ,a Glory belonging to an 'only begotten from a Father" ( John 1:14). So who was this? was it 'God's only begotten Son who had come down from heaven from his Father? Or was it just a materialised human form called 'Jesus'?
Actually, it says " I am Jehovah your God, and there is no one else." The title LORD was substituted for the divine name to support the doctrine of the trinity and create confusion.
@@henrybarrick7205 No obviously not creepo no one who believes is converted by your goofy creepy cult. You are a lying snake trying to use the bible to disprove the bible 'All the Father has given him will come to me and i will lose none of them'
at 22 minutes he says the "we don't say that the Son is the Holy Spirit..." etc. BUT actually we do see this in scripture. 2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
Jesus christ is God over All, angels and spirits, Jesus Christ is the living water of life, the tree of life and the bread of life that came down from heaven, and he that feeds on this bread will live for ever, the living water is spirit and live, the flesh counts for nothing, the words Jesus christ have spoken to us are spirit and they are life.
@@pangorbalm8086 Jesus christ is the wisdom/the tree of life, bread of life, the living water of life and is in all things created by him for him. John 8"58 I tell you the truth, before Abraham was born, I am.
Question, did God created man in his image, body, soul spirit (life)as one person, so why are you saying that God is there person, or is the scriptures wrong?
Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christ allow a council of men come together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seeking to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind. 1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men.
100.00 reward: present first the sinners prayer book chapter and verse, now do the same with the trinity. yes the trinity is absurdly catholic. yes, at the council of nicea. it cant be removed from history books. another angle, lets give the sinners prayer a chance first, jesus chose 12 apostles, the were to preach the gospel to all nations jesus told them and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name, beginning at jerusalem luke 24;44, jesus was just risen from the dead, that marks the new testament beginning yet beginning at acts 2;38- the apostles began spreading the gospel. book chapter and verse, when did the apostles preach a set of words to repeat as in the sinners prayer to anyone? according to every trinitarian anything, this shows the apostles ignored jesus, picture this: jesus is screaming ! no peter! why arent you having those people repeat the sinners prayer??? and why did the apostles fail to ever explain something that would be of paramount importance like the trinity? sin is explained everywhere in the bible as is repentance and baptism in jesus name for the remission of sins? why does jesus say he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. but he that believeth not shall be damned? and not he that believeth and repeats the sinners prayer ???
But did anyone get baptized using the name of the Father, son and holy spirit? All the baptisms were done in Jesus' name. Acts 2:38 Peter said to them: “Repent, and let each one of you be baptized IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST for forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the free gift of the holy spirit. Were the Apostles disobeying Jesus' command? Or did Jesus mean something else?
I wonder why these preachers are very much strained to prove trinity... Because in the whole Bible God reveals Himself as Only one living God... God is Spirit... Some Christians especially preachers accept God as spirit so He can dwell different places at a time but couldn't accept or could not believe His presence as man in this world at the same time when He is spirit... That's why they are trying to show 3 God but as 1 God... This Trinity, triune or any tri... Is non believers concept.. He can be anywhere, at anytime, in any form...
What is sad is that 'the early church' Dr Sprout mentions experienced the fulfillment of the prophecies of Paul & Peter in that speculation as to the nature of the Son in relation to the Father caused much conflict and debate. Paul told the 'bishops' at Ephesus "After my going away men will arise & speak twisted things, from amoung YOU yorselves..." ( Acts 20:30). If only they had heeded Paul's Advice! " nothing beyond what is written" ( 1 Cor 4:6 REB) there would have not been an eventual 'trinity' based not on scripture by greek & pagan philosophy! With influence of the pagan roman empire, 'christendom' with its false teachings was born, cheif of which is the 'trinity' 'sunday worship' 'the cross' the immortal soul' 'the host' 'insense & ringing bells''the mitre' 'vestments' 'infant baptism' All pagan!
Wackjob liar in a loony cult Yiu are spouting gibberish Get a job and yiur own utube channel you wont have to whine and complain about accurate teaching because yiu cant get any converts to your goofy cult in real life
100.00 reward: present first the sinners prayer book chapter and verse, now do the same with the trinity. yes the trinity is absurdly catholic. yes, at the council of nicea. it cant be removed from history books. another angle, lets give the sinners prayer a chance first, jesus chose 12 apostles, the were to preach the gospel to all nations jesus told them and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name, beginning at jerusalem luke 24;44, jesus was just risen from the dead, that marks the new testament beginning yet beginning at acts 2;38- the apostles began spreading the gospel. book chapter and verse, when did the apostles preach a set of words to repeat as in the sinners prayer to anyone? according to every trinitarian anything, this shows the apostles ignored jesus, picture this: jesus is screaming ! no peter! why arent you having those people repeat the sinners prayer??? and why did the apostles fail to ever explain something that would be of paramount importance like the trinity? sin is explained everywhere in the bible as is repentance and baptism in jesus name for the remission of sins? why does jesus say he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. but he that believeth not shall be damned? and not he that believeth and repeats the sinners prayer ???
Did you ever notice while RC was explaining the doctrine of the Trinity he never mentioned what Jesus and the Apostles said about the Trinity why not? The Trinity is a Man-made doctrine or Commandments of Men who gather themselves together and want to hear what the itchy ears want to hear and turn themselves away from the Truth and believe in Mythology? All RC talked about were the early Church Fathers of the Roman Catholic Church and Greek concepts of the word Persona?
100.00 reward: present first the sinners prayer book chapter and verse, now do the same with the trinity. yes the trinity is absurdly catholic. yes, at the council of nicea. it cant be removed from history books. another angle, lets give the sinners prayer a chance first, jesus chose 12 apostles, the were to preach the gospel to all nations jesus told them and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name, beginning at jerusalem luke 24;44, jesus was just risen from the dead, that marks the new testament beginning yet beginning at acts 2;38- the apostles began spreading the gospel. book chapter and verse, when did the apostles preach a set of words to repeat as in the sinners prayer to anyone? according to every trinitarian anything, this shows the apostles ignored jesus, picture this: jesus is screaming ! no peter! why arent you having those people repeat the sinners prayer??? and why did the apostles fail to ever explain something that would be of paramount importance like the trinity? sin is explained everywhere in the bible as is repentance and baptism in jesus name for the remission of sins? why does jesus say he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. but he that believeth not shall be damned? and not he that believeth and repeats the sinners prayer ???
To even question "the Trinity" is like lighting a fuse. Someone's bound to explode with anger and accusations like "cult" and "heretic." But being mortal as we are, we don't "get" what it's like to be spirit and are poorly qualified to explain spiritual things. However: in scripture we can we can find plenty of evidence *against* a trinity. ▬ Most New Testament letters begin with greetings such as "Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ." All these greetings *_include both God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ._* But *_none of them includes the holy spirit._* Not one of them mentions or includes or addresses the holy spirit as a person. Can we be open-minded enough to consider this as evidence that the apostles - the writers of these letters - did *not* believe the holy spirit was a third person? ▬ John 14:23 shines much-needed light on the topic. Here Jesus explains that both He and the Father would come and dwell in us. *They - the two - would make their "abode" in us:* ⚫ "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him." (John 14:23) Jesus said He and the Father would dwell in is. Obviously that's two, not three. ⚫ "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." (1 Cor 8:6) Again, it's two: the Father and the Lord Jesus. [It's interesting to note the similarity between this verse, and others which show creation of all things was directed (re: "of whom") by the Father . . . and was executed (re: "by whom") -by or through Jesus. Compare to Eph 3:9, Hebrews 1:1,2 and Col 1:16; only the Father and Jesus are in these verses as well. "And we by him"??? Creation is *still* in process by or through Jesus. Through Jesus sons and daughters for the Fathers eternal family are being created, right now, as they abide in Him.] The two - the Father and Jesus - function as one. Jesus said: ⚫ "I and my Father are one." (John 10:30) Again, that's two -"I and my Father" . . . no mention of a third person. "God is a spirit" (John 4:24) and is holy. When we have the holy spirit in us, we have God the Father and Jesus dwelling in us -just as Jesus said in John 14:23: " . . . and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him." Now notice Romans 8:9: the "Spirit of God" and the "Spirit of Christ" both dwell in us (not some sort of third/other person): ⚫ "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his" ▬ We see God as "us" back in Genesis: ⚫ "And God said, Let *us* make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." (Gen 1:26) Who are the "us"? The Father and Jesus, as we saw earlier in 1 Cor 8:6 where creation was directed by the Father and executed by Jesus. Here are additional examples: ⚫ "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" (Hebrews 1:1,2) ⚫ "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ" (Eph 3:9). ▬ Who are the "us"? It is the Father, and the "Word" who was *with* God from the beginning . . . And *was* God . . . and *was made flesh:* Jesus. ⚫ "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him [just like the "by him" we saw back in 1 Cor 8:6] and without him was not any thing made that was made." (John 1:1-3) ⚫ "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." (John 1:14) Here's another example of "us" in Genesis: ⚫ "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of *us,* to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:" (Gen 3:22). ▬ Although the Father and Jesus are "one," they seemingly can have separate identity or person: ⚫ "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." (John 17:5) What about the favorite trinitarian verses? ▬ 1 John 5:7-8 has questionable origin. Look up the "Johannine Comma" ("comma" referring to the phrase in 1 John 5:7,8) to get the detail on that. 1 John 5:7-8 is apparently not found in the majority of early Greek texts, but appears in later Latin texts . . . causing great controversy back in the early 1500s. ▬ Matthew 28:19 is also questionable: ⚫ "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" Why is it questionable? Because what the apostles actually *did* was baptize *in Jesus' name only:* ⚫ "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:38) ⚫ "(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)" (Acts 8:16) ⚫ "And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days." (Acts 10:48) ⚫ "When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus." (Acts 19:5) ⚫ "Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?" (Romans 6:3)
Do you have a channel on utube? How can I get in touch with you? I used to be in worldwide church of god. They taught God and Jesus ate eternal and holy spirit was power of God. Seems you do too. Thanks so much for this comment.
100.00 reward: present first the sinners prayer book chapter and verse, now do the same with the trinity. yes the trinity is absurdly catholic. yes, at the council of nicea. it cant be removed from history books. another angle, lets give the sinners prayer a chance first, jesus chose 12 apostles, the were to preach the gospel to all nations jesus told them and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name, beginning at jerusalem luke 24;44, jesus was just risen from the dead, that marks the new testament beginning yet beginning at acts 2;38- the apostles began spreading the gospel. book chapter and verse, when did the apostles preach a set of words to repeat as in the sinners prayer to anyone? according to every trinitarian anything, this shows the apostles ignored jesus, picture this: jesus is screaming ! no peter! why arent you having those people repeat the sinners prayer??? and why did the apostles fail to ever explain something that would be of paramount importance like the trinity? sin is explained everywhere in the bible as is repentance and baptism in jesus name for the remission of sins? why does jesus say he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. but he that believeth not shall be damned? and not he that believeth and repeats the sinners prayer ???
100.00 reward: present first the sinners prayer book chapter and verse, now do the same with the trinity. yes the trinity is absurdly catholic. yes, at the council of nicea. it cant be removed from history books. another angle, lets give the sinners prayer a chance first, jesus chose 12 apostles, the were to preach the gospel to all nations jesus told them and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name, beginning at jerusalem luke 24;44, jesus was just risen from the dead, that marks the new testament beginning yet beginning at acts 2;38- the apostles began spreading the gospel. book chapter and verse, when did the apostles preach a set of words to repeat as in the sinners prayer to anyone? according to every trinitarian anything, this shows the apostles ignored jesus, picture this: jesus is screaming ! no peter! why arent you having those people repeat the sinners prayer??? and why did the apostles fail to ever explain something that would be of paramount importance like the trinity? sin is explained everywhere in the bible as is repentance and baptism in jesus name for the remission of sins? why does jesus say he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. but he that believeth not shall be damned? and not he that believeth and repeats the sinners prayer ???
The Pope would be proud of this session. This doctrine of the trinity was introduced to the world by the Catholic Church. These people are Catholics and deny it, but they believe the same basic falsehood.
Here is a simple test that will help you to understand the mystery of the Trinity 1) In Exodus 3:15 he was known as ___ ___ 2) In John 20:28 Thomas said unto him My ___ and my ___ 3) In 2 Corinthians 13:14 his name is ___ __ 4) In1 Chronicles 29:10 Lord God is called __ for ___ and ___ 5) In Isaiah 9:6 A child is born is called __ __ NAB Isaiah 9:5 6)In John 10:30 I and my ___ are one 7) In Matthew 6:9, Luke 11:2 Our ___ who art in heaven Hallowed (Holy) be thy name Our ___ is a ___ ___ 8) In Matthew 28:19 the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost is ___ 9) In John 4:24 God is a ___ That would make Father and Son a ___ 10) In Leviticus 11:44 God said ye shall be ___; for I am ___ that would make the Father and Son ___ ___
@tomfuschetti202 Two simple verses that irrefutably show there is no 3 person God. "yet for us there is but one God, the Father," 1 Cor 8:6 When praying to the Father Jesus said: "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent." John 17:3
THE APOSTLES HEARD WHAT JESUS SAID CLEARLY IN MATHEW 28;19 FIRST, IT SAYS BATIZING THEM IN THE NAME (SINGULAR) FATHER SON AND HOLY GHOST ARE TITLES OF THE ONE GOD, THATS WHY THE APOSTLES NEVER BAPTIZED IN ANY OTHER WAY EXCEP THE ONE PROPER NAME OF THE ONE GOD, JESUS CHRIST.
@@davidward5225 I did not say that. Our human natures knows only human things. The Natural. Of the senses. The Holy Spirit will teach the things of god, yea the deep things of god. 1 Corinthians 2:10. You obviously have a desire to know Jesus, that I am almost certain of. If you have this desire then the Holy Spirit is more that willing to teach
@Unbasied I’ll make it simple for you Jesus Christ = Flesh of God Holy Ghost = The spirit of God The Father = the Soul of God We are made in his image. We have a body which is the Flesh. Your soul which is thought you have the decisions you make the orders you give your body and how it moves. Your Spirit is your emotions where, moral standard. This makes man three in one. They are not the same but they are one. Your body isn’t your spirit. Your spirit isn’t your body. Your spirit isn’t your soul and your soul isn’t your spirit. Your soul isn’t your flesh your body and your body isn’t your soul. We are three in one. The only difference with the three is that we are born with dead spirits.
Actually all the above explanations do not define the Triune God. The Trinity is not one person occupying three different roles. Rather three distinct persons who share the same godhead. Not parts of God. God the Father did not become flesh. Rather God the Son became flesh although He existed before eternally with the Father.
1) The mysterious trinity god of three persons/3 in 1 of pagan origin with its 1+1+1=1 mathematical equation is absolutely unbiblical. 2) The TRUE DOCTRINE is MONOTHEISM/ONE GOD DOCTRINE (John 17:1-3). 3) Please read my COMMENT here for details.
If God is God then He must have the ability to become anything He desires. But in what He has become you can recognize His Divinity by His supernatural feats which only God can perform. For example, Jesus being a man lived without sinning, a feat only attributed to God.
Interesting to see all of the ad hominem attacks on Dr. Sproul in the comments...and the resurgence of the old Arian heresy. I am particularly disturbed by the number of people claiming that Jesus is not God. Simply, if Jesus is not God, how was He able to forgive the sins of the people. Or make the blind see? Or the lame walk? How are you saved by His blood if He was nothing more than a man chosen by God? Moses and David were chosen men of God but their blood cannot save you from hellfire. The only blood which could have overturned the curse of sin and sting of death was that of God. I do not understand how so much error has so strongly planted itself in the minds and hearts of so many of these commenters. I pray for you all.
Acts 4:12 Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is no other name under heaven that HAS BEEN GIVEN AMONG MEN by which we must get saved.” Who GAVE this man (ie. Jesus) the position of savior? Question: What did Jesus do that others of God didn't do? Just something to ponder over and help.
There’s no such thing as a trinity of persons except in the imaginations and doctrines of men. God is one person the Father and God of out Lord Jesus Christ.
Please go and Find out For yourself see where and when This Teaching Came in and from! READ JOHN'S ACCOUNT CHAPTER 17 JESUS OWN WORDS IN 🙏 PRAYER TO HIS FATHER!
The Lord said, "Ask and it shall be given to you." So I asked, and I searched, and I found. Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christ allow a council of men to come together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seek to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind. 1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men.
THE DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY WAS DECLARED LONG BEFORE THE COUNCIL OF CHALCEDON IN 451 However, Justin Martyr in 150 A.D. declared with great clarity the doctrine of the Trinity was valid. He and the early church fathers wrote that it was Jesus Christ who appeared to Moses in the burning bush. Even further back than this, the Doctrine of the Trinity was recognized by the great Jewish rabbis. The Jews of the first century believed that Jesus was God. However, most Jews in later centuries rejected that claim. But in a book called the Zohar written by Rabbi Simon Ben Jochai and his son, the doctrine of the original sin and the incarnation of Christ is expounded. The Doctrine of the Trinity is also explicitly stated in Genesis 1:1 which says, "In the beginning God (Elohim) created the heavens and the earth." In this passage "Elohim" literally means "Gods." with "im" indicating masculine plural in Hebrew. But this plural noun is treated like a singular noun because it takes a singular verb. That verb is "bara" which means created out of nothing. The plural "Elohim" has always been taken by the great rabbis of the first century to include God the Father; God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. All three persons are one. As a matter of fact the word "Trinity" comes from the Latin word "trinitas" or "trinitus" which means three in one!!! There are also several scriptural passages that make it clear that Jesus is not subordinate to the Father but co-eternal and co-equal and one with the Father. In John 1:1, it states that, "In the beginning was the word (logos) and the word was with God, and the Word was God." Later on in verse 14, it states that "And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us..." This Word (logos) was Jesus. In Philippians 2:6, it say of Jesus: " Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God." Further on in verse 7, Paul states that "He made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Him the form of a servant, and made in the likeness of men." God then took on human flesh and was incarnated as Jesus. In scripture, the disciple Philip asked Jesus in John 14:8, 9 to show him God. Jesus replied to him that, "he that has seen me has seen the Father." Finally, there is indisputable evidence for the Trinity in 1John 5: 7 which reads:"for there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (logos) and the Holy Spirit, these three are one." In verse 14, the word (Jesus) became one. Empirical evidence for the Trinity was given to the authoress Dr. Petti Wagner, who in her book "Murdered Heiress" literally describes the Trinity when God spoke to her as a ball of light and said let me show you who we are. He then split into three separate orbs which formed a triangle. God was the top sphere of light; Jesus was on his right and the Holy spirit was on his left. Al three spheres spoke as one. Each member of the Trinity was identifiable by his distinctive voice. Another book, "Heaven - Third Encounters of a God Kind" by Jesse Duplantis, describes the authors visit to the throne room where he saw God. He could not look Him in the face because no man can look at God and literally live. However, he realized that Jesus came out of God to speak to the people in the throneroom. He noticed that Jesus was the only person that was able to look at God and live. 41, 814
100.00 reward: present first the sinners prayer book chapter and verse, now do the same with the trinity. yes the trinity is absurdly catholic. yes, at the council of nicea. it cant be removed from history books. another angle, lets give the sinners prayer a chance first, jesus chose 12 apostles, the were to preach the gospel to all nations jesus told them and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name, beginning at jerusalem luke 24;44, jesus was just risen from the dead, that marks the new testament beginning yet beginning at acts 2;38- the apostles began spreading the gospel. book chapter and verse, when did the apostles preach a set of words to repeat as in the sinners prayer to anyone? according to every trinitarian anything, this shows the apostles ignored jesus, picture this: jesus is screaming ! no peter! why arent you having those people repeat the sinners prayer??? and why did the apostles fail to ever explain something that would be of paramount importance like the trinity? sin is explained everywhere in the bible as is repentance and baptism in jesus name for the remission of sins? why does jesus say he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. but he that believeth not shall be damned? and not he that believeth and repeats the sinners prayer ???
"1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." FATHER - is the NAME of the relationship to the SON (John 17:1-3). WORD - is the COMMAND of GOD that created LIFE, the universe, and everything (Ps. 148:5, Isa. 45:12, Heb. 11:3, Gen. 1 with verses beginning with the words/command "And God said ...." -- John 1:1. HOLY GHOST/HOLY SPIRIT - is the LIFE/COMPOSITION/NATURE OF EXISTENCE of the ONLY TRUE GOD/FATHER (Matt. 1:18, John 4:24). HEAVEN - is GOD'S THRONE and ABODE (Ps. 11:4, Matt. 5:34). RECORD IN HEAVEN - WORDS of GOD/FATHER brought on earth by the LORD JESUS CHRIST/SON (John 3:34, 7:16, 8:14-28, 12:30, 17:7-8). 1) There are no three persons/trinity/3 in 1 in the referred verse, 1 John 5:7 of the KJV. The ONLY TRUE GOD/FATHER is there, and none other. 2) The verse 1 JOHN 5:7 of the KJV is rejected in almost all Bible translations popularly used by the people in the world. 2) The rejection of the verse 1JOHN 5:7 of the KJV in bibles or bible translations is tantamount to the rejection of the ONLY TRUE GOD/FATHER/HOLY GHOST/SPIRIT, HIS THRONE, and HIS RECORD/COMMAND from the said bible or bible translations. 3) Therefore, bibles or bible translations which don't contain the exact WORDS written in the verse 1JOHN 5:7 of the KJV are incomplete, inconsistent, unreliable, devil infiltrated, and junks. 4) And any misappropriate use and interpretations of the most PRECIOUS and SACRED NAMES written therein can lead to the commission of the unpardonable sin -- BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST (Matt. 12:31-32) -- the mysterious trinity god of three persons in reference to the verse 1 JOHN 5:7 is blasphemous. 5) BE WARNED!
You have some very serious presuppositions in your statements. JKVOnly allows for false names, like Jehovah, and a misnomer for where it says Easter, it was used to replace the word Passover. God did not allow this, but man did. JKV is a version of an original by the interpretation of men. Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christ allow a council of men to come together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seek to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind. 1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men.
@@S.R.M. 1) The trinity/mysterious trinity god of three persons of pagan origin is a contaminating doctrine that has contaminated all the doctrines of the professing Christians and Christian churches in the world. So the trinity is not the only false doctrine adhered to and believed in by Christians.. 2) The LORD JESUS CHRIST/SON OF GOD revealed the existence of false Christs/many (Matt. 24:24) and so the existence of false Christianity with the false Christs as their Christs and false gods as their gods and the most supreme of them is the idiot god of this world that blinded the world (2Cor. 4:4) and also referred to as the "prince of the power in the air (Eph. 2:1-3)" -- he and his hosts of evil spirits in the air are doing wonders in the air that further deceived the gullible people in the world. 3) To know and recognize the false gods and false Christs, the ONLY TRUE GOD and the TRUE JESUS CHRIST must be RECOGNISED FIRST: The ONLY TRUE GOD/FATHER (John 17:1-3)/HOLY GHOST (Matt. 1:18)/SPIRIT (John 4:24) AND the TRUE JESUS CHRIST/SON OF GOD (Matt. 1:18, Mark 1:1, John 10:36, 17:1-3)/MAN (John 8:40)/FLESH AND BONES (Luke 24:39) ARE TWO EXISTING BEINGS of DIFFERENT NATURES of EXISTENCE. LOGIC 1: The FATHER is the ONLY TRUE GOD; therefore, the SON/JESUS CHRIST IS NOT GOD; otherwise, he's a false god/god the son, god the Word, mighty god, creator god, father god, man god/false gods/Christs (Matt. 24:24). LOGIC 2: PREMISES: GOD is a SPIRIT (John 4:24); A spirit has no flesh and bones (Luke 24:39); JESUS CHRIST has flesh and bones (Luke 24:39). CONCLUSION: Therefore, JESUS CHRIST IS NOT GOD. 4) Any false recognition to the ONLY TRUE GOD/FATHER is a false god (2Cor. 4:4) and any false recognition to the TRUE JESUS CHRIST/SON OF GOD is a false Christ (Matt. 24:24): A) Roman Catholic Church and various protestant churches -- trinity/mysterious trinity god of three persons (1+1+1=1 god). B) Jehovah's Witness: Father -- Almighty God Son/Jesus Christ -- mighty god/false Christ (1+1=2 God/god. C) Unitarian and oneness -- the Father is the Son; the son is the Father (1+1=1 god). D) MORMON -- the Father is God; the Son is God -- the Godhead (1+1=1 godhead). E) INC/Iglesia Ni Cristo: God/Father -- Spirit Holy Spirit - power of God Jesus Christ -- Word/man; hence, god the Word. F) Etc. 5) Based on my research, no Christian church adhered to the TRUE DOCTRINE: MONOTHEISM/ONE GOD DOCTRINE (Ex. 20:3, John 17:1-3) -- the FULFILMENT of the PROPHECY in AMOS 8:11: "Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor thirst for water, but of hearing of the words of the LORD." CAUSE OF FAMINE: "John 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you, 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore, the world hateth you. 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. 15;21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me. 16:1 THESE things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended. 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues; yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. 16:3 And all these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me." The annihilation of the BEARERS OF LIGHT happened during the reign of the RoMAN emperor Constantine of the RoMAN empire in conivance with the RoMAN Catholic Church/RCC. 5) There has been a FAMINE of HEARING of the WORDS of the LORD in the land/world for over a thousand years from the ancient/dark ages to the the present and it'd remain in the world until the END -- END OF THE WORLD IN HELL FIRE (Matt. 13:38-40).
The SAVED/ELECT (Matt. 24:22) -- MUST ABIDE TO THIS COMMAND: "Rev. 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues." "her:" Rev. 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet colored beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH, 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: ...."
@@S.R.M. JEHOVAH JEALOUS - is the IDENTICAL NAME of the ONLY TRUE GOD/FATHER (Ex. 6:3, 34:14, Ps. 83:18, Isa. 12:2, 26:4). JESUS CHRIST -- is the IDENTICAL NAME OF THE SON OF GOD (Luke 1:30-31, 2:11). What is RELEVANT in the above NAMES is the TRUTH related to the said NAMES which are WRITTEN in the HOLY BIBLE/KJV ONLY.
God is not a person or a personality. God is a Spirit. God is not a man numbers 23:19 you need to stop putting God in your false doctrine box. After listening to this man I am wondering what scripture supports all of what he said; all I get from this is I need to take an English, Greek and philosophy class
100.00 reward: present first the sinners prayer book chapter and verse, now do the same with the trinity. yes the trinity is absurdly catholic. yes, at the council of nicea. it cant be removed from history books. another angle, lets give the sinners prayer a chance first, jesus chose 12 apostles, the were to preach the gospel to all nations jesus told them and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name, beginning at jerusalem luke 24;44, jesus was just risen from the dead, that marks the new testament beginning yet beginning at acts 2;38- the apostles began spreading the gospel. book chapter and verse, when did the apostles preach a set of words to repeat as in the sinners prayer to anyone? according to every trinitarian anything, this shows the apostles ignored jesus, picture this: jesus is screaming ! no peter! why arent you having those people repeat the sinners prayer??? and why did the apostles fail to ever explain something that would be of paramount importance like the trinity? sin is explained everywhere in the bible as is repentance and baptism in jesus name for the remission of sins? why does jesus say he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. but he that believeth not shall be damned? and not he that believeth and repeats the sinners prayer ???
God had the bible written for ordinary common people to understand. Not just people with higher education or theologians. Granted the scriptures have some challenges to understand. But I don't think such a basic subject like the Most High's identity would be one them. I think that if God exists within a trinity, he would have that plainly presented in the scriptures so that the common people who it was written for would clearly see it . There are many scriptural reasons I can give to show why I believe the trinity concept is not a biblical teaching. But my comment would be far to long. So I will give just one. John 17:3 There Jesus address the Father as the only true God. There is not even a hint of some triune nature of God in his prayer. Why is that????? Who would know better than Jesus what is the nature of God? And if some believe he was including himself in his prayer to the Father as the only true God, then why didn't he mentioned the holy spirit???? And to all bible readers out there, have you noticed that Jesus prayed many times and they are recorded in the scriptures. But did you noticed that not once did he ever prayed to the holy spirit, but only the Father???? Why is that??? Marinate on that for a while.
@@list3723 Why a separate " Person" for God the Father and another for the Holy Spirit ? It will result in absurdity of God the Father having no Holy Spirit contradicting the Holy Bible : " Do not cast me from Your Presence or take YOUR Holy Spirit from me. " - Psalm 51:11 NIV
"John 4:24 God is a Spirit, ..." 1) Specifically speaking the SPIRIT of the ONLY TRUE GOD is HOLY. 2) The word "HOLY" is an adjective or modifier that describes the kind of SPIRIT the ONLY TRUE GOD/FATHER has. 3) Therefore, the ONLY TRUE GOD/FATHER is a HOLY SPIRIT or HOLY GHOST (Matt 1:18, John 4:24) -- the FATHER and GOD of the LORD JESUS CHRIST/SON/MAN (John 20:17, 1 Peter 1:3).
@@list3723 The HOLY GHOST/SPIRIT (Matt. 1:18, John 4:24) is the LIFE/COMPOSITION/NATURE of EXISTENCE of the ONLY TRUE GOD/FATHER (John 17:1-3) -- the GOD and FATHER of the LORD JESUS CHRIST/SON/MAN (John 20:17, 1 Peter 1:3).
MATTHEW 7 24 THEREFORE WHOSOEVER HEARETH THESE SAYINGS OF MINE, AND DOETH THEM, I WILL LIKEN HIM UNTO A WISE MAN, WHICH BUILT HIS HOUSE UPON A ROCK: 25 AND THE RAIN DESCENDED, AND THE FLOODS CAME, AND THE WINDS BLEW, AND BEAT UPON THAT HOUSE; AND IT FELL NOT: FOR IT WAS FOUNDED UPON A ROCK. 26 AND EVERY ONE THAT HEARETH THESE SAYINGS OF MINE, AND DOETH THEM NOT, SHALL BE LIKENED UNTO AFOOLISH MAN, WHICH BUILT HIS HOUSE UPON THE SAND: 27 AND THE RAIN DESCENDED, AND THE FLOODS CAME, AND THE WINDS BLEW, AND BEAT UPON THAT HOUSE; AND IT FELL: AND GREAT WAS THE FALL OF IT. YOU'VE GOT IT > JESUS IS THE ROCK AND THE TRINITY IS THE FOUNDATION OF SAND.
Wow, I never heard that before, "...the Trinity is the foundation of sand." Isn't sand a kind of dirt. What can we make of the Trinity? Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christ allow a council of men to come together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seek to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind. 1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men.
*[References]* • *The New Encyclopædia Britannica* says: “Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: *‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord [Yahweh] our God is one Lord.’* (Deut. 6:4) -(1976), Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126. • *Dictionary of the Bible,* John L. McKenzie, S.J says: “The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of ‘person’ and ‘nature’ which are Greek philosophical terms; actually the terms do not appear in the Bible. The trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these *terms and others such as ‘essence’ and ‘substance’* were erroneously applied to God by some theologians.”-(New York, 1965), p. 899. • *Catholic New American Bible* admits regarding *John 14:17:* “The Greek word for ‘Spirit’ is neuter, and while we use personal pronouns in English (‘he,’ ‘his,’ ‘him’), ...Ancient Greek MSS [manuscripts] employ *["it.”]* *Most Trinitarian translators hide this fact.* • *The New Catholic Encyclopedia* admits: “The majority of New Testament texts reveal God’s spirit as *something, not someone;* this is especially seen in the parallelism between the spirit and the power of God.” (1967, Vol. XIII, p. 575)
One of my biggest objections to this doctrine, not even mentioned in the bible, is the serious dichotomy that presents itself regarding the nature of Christ while on earth. IF he is the '2nd person of the trintiy' then as such he coulnt have literally 'died for our sins', only a 'human nature' while his 'divine nature would be intact in heavan'! Does that really make any sense sinc, his last prayer at John 17 read "Father, glorify me with the glory I HAD alongside you, before the world was". This shows that the glorious Son of God 'emptied himself' ( Phil 2) and BECAME flesh ( John 1). Yes the whole 'only begotten Son' came dowen to earth lived here for 33 years, died and was raised 3 days later! This is the one and only Christain faith, denied if you believe in the 'trinity'. It negates God's genuine LOVE for us that He gave us his dear Son. This was no trick, no device. It actually happened! and the bibl proves it! John in his old age drew a line between true and false believers, he said "Every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God". ( 1 John 4:3). This mirrors what John said when he spoke of the 'word' in John chapter one, verse `And the Logos BECAME flesh" ( The emphatic Diaglott, MSS V1209 ) literal greek, not the 'put on' but the become something. Hence John tells us simply the heavanly 'Word', God's son BECAME a man. On earth, this WAS God's only begotten Son, who prayed to'TThe Father in Heavan' to help him, e.t.c. These facts alone prove the trinity a false and blasphemous 3rd century teaching that complete;lly negates The Father's great love for us by sending Hids own dear Son ( all of him, not just a miraculous form of a man) down to this unappreciative earth to die for us! How wonderful!
R.C. starts about by reading Hebrews 1:1. In that verse, "God" does not mean a Trinity. Actually the word "God" occurs some 1315 times in the New Testament. Not once in the Bible does the word "God" mean the Trinity. In the Bible, God is the Father. Who is the "Majesty on High" of Hebrews 1:3 that R.C. read? It's not the Trinity. Read John 3:16 and decide who "God" is. Not the Trinity. In the Bible, "God" is never the Trinity.
@@Solomonsaysno The Aleph and Tav in The Hebrew and all over The Scriptures! Gen 1v1 in The beginning Elohim Aleph Tav created The Heavens and The earth
You are assuming that God is Unitarian and reading your doctrine into the Text. Unitarians/Oneness folks always refer to the number of times something is said, that proves nothing. But if Jesus calls Himself “I Am” states He has seen the Father, came from heaven, had glory with the Father before the world was, accepts worship, bleeds and is flesh and bone and not a spirit as He states the Father is, doesn’t rebuke Thomas for calling Him “God”, is loved by the Father, sent by the Father and goes back to the Father. Micah 5:2 and Zechariah 12:10 note Yahweh is the speaker there. Isa61:1. If Jesus was resurrected bodily, ascended bodily and is seen by the Holy Spirit filled Stephen standing at the right hand of God and will return the same way He ascended then what happens to the Holy Spirit who has sealed Believers? Will He break His seal and promise and turn back into bodily form? No Christ is currently in heaven seated at the right hand of the Father, bodily(Col2:9). See Rev chp5; Malachi3:1, Gen19:24, Judges chp13...Col2:9 katoikei..Strong’s #2730=dwells, lives, inhabits permanently thus Jesus the second person of the Trinity assumed humanity, and is forever the God-man
Thank you, Christians need to start studying instead of having everything spoon fed to them. I've been studying on the trinity for a while now and can I just say that there is a genuine need for thorough comprehensive study of the fundamental Bible truths we hold. People rely so much on the Pope, pastors, prophets and others to teach them the Bible, that they are prone to putting the pastor's word above the Lord's. We need to study the Bible ourselves through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. We have to allow God to speak for Himself. This is what God has opened my eyes to, now I see why sometimes Athiests and Agnostics and people of other faith think Christians are brainwashed, because we rather rely on pastors and church leaders to teach us about God other than having a relationship with God, studying His word, and questioning the doctrines that we are taught. The Lord laid it on my heart to tell you this. To tell anyone that would listen this. The doctrine of the trinity is false. I've studied the history of the trinity, tracing from Athanasius to Constantine and thanks to the Holy Spirit, I've left that belief. I believe in Jesus Christ, He is the Father incarnated. The Father, Son, and HS are not sperate "persons" but one person who has revealed Himself in more ways than one. It's important to know, especially when telling others about our faith, the truth about out beliefs. The Trinity has always been a hot topic in the church for centuries after Jesus ascended. It's nothing new. This is a brief summary of the history concerning this doctrine. But centuries ago, in the late 200s and early 300s, the leaders of the Christians church were trying to figure out what the NT books meant when they talked about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Because we have to note that the NT books were compiled around the 3 or 4 century. And this caused confusion The church leaders had no idea the relationship between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. So out of confusion they began coming up with theories, marking out their positions, kicking each other out of the church, and breaking up (this is one of the things that caused the East and West schism which was the break of communion between the Catholic church and other churches) and they told everyone who didn't believe in their doctrine that they would go to hell. The topic of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit was one of, if not the biggest topic among Christian leaders in the year 325. The Roman Emperor Constantine who is sometimes seen as "the first Christian" emperor when in reality the guy was a pagan and saw religion as a way to expand and unite his empire. So Constantine along with some of the church bishops held a council in the town called Nicaea, and these bishops came up with the first version of the statement of faith that attempted to define the relationship between the Son and the Father. The statement they drafted is called the Nicene Creed which is what the vast majority of Christians and Christian churches have accepted as essential doctrine. And yet this is where the church got off track why? because although the Nicene creed does not contain the words "trinity" or "persons" (neither does the Bible by the way), what it DID say about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit set the church on a course towards the doctrine of the Trinity of persons. One or 2 centuries later, the Athanasian creed, another statement of faith which was composed and assembled by St Athanasius, greatly expanded on the Nicene creed and DID include the words "trinity" and persons. This introduced contradiction, confusion, and polytheism into the church even though no one wants to admit it. (notice how none of them, not the church fathers, not Tertullian, or even St. Athanasius called upon the Lord, like the people in the Bible did. Whenever the children of the Lord wanted to know about God they called to Him and He answered. But in this situation, no one did that. None of them claim to even be inspired by God. All of this confusion was created by men trying to figure God out without the Spirit of God. God is not the author of confusion, but we get ourselves confused when we don't consult God about anything.
The (trinity) is not only a vain, perverse, idle, corrupt, filthy word of confusion not found in the holy scriptures, it is a doctrine of devils and damnable heresy. These 3 names are the names of the Holy One: Jesus the Almighty everlasting Father: 1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Isaiah 45: [21] Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. [22] Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. [23] I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; Ephesians 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Job 13: [8] Will ye accept his person? will ye contend for God? [9] Is it good that he should search you out? or as one man mocketh another, do ye so mock him? [10] He will surely reprove you, if ye do secretly accept persons. John 14: [8] Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. [9] Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. 1 John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. John 8: [24] I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. [25] Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning. [26] I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him. [27] They understood not that he spake to them of the Father. John 20: [28] And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. [29] Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. Revelation 1: [7] Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. [8] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
I struggle with the docrine of the trinity. I understand this explanation and am on board, but what is never explained is the obvious hierarchical existence between the three. For instance, I do the will of my Father who sent me. Additionally Jesus is referred to as a servant of God. Why is it a stretch to say God the Father has given his essence to the son and spirit. Would he not have the power to do so? The philosophical juggling needed to follow all of this seems reaching, though i freely admit my mind cannot comprehend the actual awesomeness of God. I want to understand this but have not found an explanation i can follow. Is all of this to say God is an essence, not an actual being but a state of being, that is to whom i am praying? Jesus taught to pray to the Father, he prayed to the Father through the spirit. I could use some help here.
@johnkrause8247 The "philosophical juggling" is necessary in order to explain a doctrine that is not found anywhere in scripture. The thing is that trinitarians and non trinitarian both believe there is one God. The trinitarian God is a 3 person God whereas the Bible only teaches a one person God. What "philosophical juggling" (love that) is needed to understand that every single time the term "one God" is used in scripture it is always the Father. Or what Paul wrote at 1 Cor 8:6 "yet for us there is but one God, the Father, " Simple clear statement.
@TheCaledonianBoy We could just examine inconsistencies and contradictions within the NT. That's where my issues began. But when I look at core teachings in Tenach, they do not agree with NT theology. So, the contradictions between those two I find to be far more damning for NT. Please choose a topic, and I will elaborate. 1. Original Sin 2. Satan / free will 3. Atonement of sin There is plenty more, but in my opinion, if Christianity is wrong in these core areas, the rest is meaningless.
How to understand Trinity?For more details, please watch the sermon of the Light of Wisdom Church, welcome everyone to study and discuss together. Video “The Trinity ｜God from God, Light from Light｜Reincarnation | I Am the way, the truth and the life 08” If you think it makes sense, we must not only believe it ourselves, but also spread it to more people. Evangelism is not only the job of pastors, but also the responsibility of every believer. This is also the aspect that the Lord values most when ascending to the kingdom of heaven.
100.00 reward: present first the sinners prayer book chapter and verse, now do the same with the trinity. yes the trinity is absurdly catholic. yes, at the council of nicea. it cant be removed from history books. another angle, lets give the sinners prayer a chance first, jesus chose 12 apostles, the were to preach the gospel to all nations jesus told them and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name, beginning at jerusalem luke 24;44, jesus was just risen from the dead, that marks the new testament beginning yet beginning at acts 2;38- the apostles began spreading the gospel. book chapter and verse, when did the apostles preach a set of words to repeat as in the sinners prayer to anyone? according to every trinitarian anything, this shows the apostles ignored jesus, picture this: jesus is screaming ! no peter! why arent you having those people repeat the sinners prayer??? and why did the apostles fail to ever explain something that would be of paramount importance like the trinity? sin is explained everywhere in the bible as is repentance and baptism in jesus name for the remission of sins? why does jesus say he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. but he that believeth not shall be damned? and not he that believeth and repeats the sinners prayer ???
A very simple question that every Christian needs to answer in order to believe in the Trinity, away from talking about the reality of the distortion of the Old and New Testaments and away from the contradictions in Christianity and away from talking about the Qur’an, away from all this. A much simpler question.. A Christian believes in the Old Testament and the New Testament, and believes in Adam, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Joshua, Isaiah, Daniel, Samuel, Zechariah and other prophets of the Old Testament, and believes in Christ and John the Baptist, and the Jew believes in all of them except Christ and believes in the Old Testament, and we Muslims believe in all of them and in Christ and in Muhammad, and we believe in the original Torah and the original Gospel, which do not exist now on the planet, with the consensus of all scholars of the holy books, a scientific fact, even if most pastors deny it in public sermons, but forget about us, and forget about the loss of the original holy books now. Let's only consider the Jewish belief ...... Regardless of the Jews' belief in Christ, my question is, why do Jews and all the believers mentioned in the Old Testament before them not believe in the Trinity, even though the Christian faith is supposed to be an extension of theirs? The Qur'an says clearly, “Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was a Hanif Muslim, and he was not an idolater.” "Or do you say that Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Do you know better or God? And who is more unjust than he who conceals a testimony he has from God?" "Say, 'We believe in God and what was revealed to us, and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and what was given to Moses and Jesus, and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we submit.' " My question again, why are the Jews and the believers before them according to the Old Testament itself and according to their conditions at the time of Christ, the time of the early Church, the time of Muhammad’s mission, and even today, why do they not believe in the Trinity???? Note: It is clear that I do not need the answer, so do not bother arguing with me, you are the one who needs it for your faith. Think, ask and answer yourself and get rid of the completely empty argument, you will be held accountable alone in the end and no one will be held accountable with you.
I do not want to argue with you. I too have the question, "Why do they not believe in the Trinity?" There are Christians who do not believe in the Trinity. They should ask themselves: Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christ allow a council of men to come together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seek to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind. 1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men.
@@S.R.M. Thank you for your valuable comment 🙂 I have nothing more to say, you have already said everything. I just want to invite you to read the Qur'an, and start by Jesus, Mary and God in the Qur'an. I believe you would enjoy it and may benefit a lot. God bless 🙂
@@MShreefUK I will be in the UK this December. I have read the Qur'an. I have a degree in Philosophy and Religion from University. May the peace of God be upon you.
THE APOSTLES HEARD WHAT JESUS SAID CLEARLY IN MATHEW 28;19 FIRST, IT SAYS BATIZING THEM IN THE NAME (SINGULAR) FATHER SON AND HOLY GHOST ARE TITLES OF THE ONE GOD, THATS WHY THE APOSTLES NEVER BAPTIZED IN ANY OTHER WAY EXCEP THE ONE PROPER NAME OF THE ONE GOD, JESUS CHRIST.
100.00 reward: present first the sinners prayer book chapter and verse, now do the same with the trinity. yes the trinity is absurdly catholic. yes, at the council of nicea. it cant be removed from history books. another angle, lets give the sinners prayer a chance first, jesus chose 12 apostles, the were to preach the gospel to all nations jesus told them and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name, beginning at jerusalem luke 24;44, jesus was just risen from the dead, that marks the new testament beginning yet beginning at acts 2;38- the apostles began spreading the gospel. book chapter and verse, when did the apostles preach a set of words to repeat as in the sinners prayer to anyone? according to every trinitarian anything, this shows the apostles ignored jesus, picture this: jesus is screaming ! no peter! why arent you having those people repeat the sinners prayer??? and why did the apostles fail to ever explain something that would be of paramount importance like the trinity? sin is explained everywhere in the bible as is repentance and baptism in jesus name for the remission of sins? why does jesus say he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. but he that believeth not shall be damned? and not he that believeth and repeats the sinners prayer ???
@AlfredGallegos-no4pb 1. The sinners prayer is a guideline... the words don't save you... your faith does. Let's sum it up....I admit I am a sinner....I confess faith in Christ....I repent of my rebellion and surrender myself to Christ as Lord and Savior.... That is the sinners' prayer in a brief synopsis. Yes, the sinners prayer is scriptural... I said it when I came to Christ.....God sees the heart, not you.
@AlfredGallegos-no4pb 2. The Trinity Speaking of Jesus, the writer under the power of the Holy Spirit states: "You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands" Hebrews 1:10 "In the beginning was the Word (Jesus) and the Word (Jesus) was with God and the Word (Jesus) WAS God." John 1:1 God speaking through the prophet states: " and I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy so that WHEN THEY LOOK ON ME, ON HIM WHOM THEY HAVE PIERCED, they shall mourn for Him" Zechariah 12:10 Jesus was pierced in the head Side Hands Feet
@AlfredGallegos-no4pb 3.Salvation Salvation is given by Grace through Faith One is saved at true belief...immediately. "For this is the will of my Father, that EVERYONE WHO LOOKS ON THE SON AND BELIEVES IN HIM SHOULD HAVE ETERNAL LIFE, AND I WILL RAISE HIM UP ON THE LAST DAY." John 6:40 "Truly truly I say to you WHOEVER BELIEVES HAS ETERNAL LIFE". JOHN 6:47 "For all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God, AND ARE JUSTIFIED BY HIS GRACE AS A GIFT, THROUGH THE REDEMPTION THAT IS IN CHRIST JESUS" ROMANS 3:22-24
in the bible the holy the power of God to do his will. ex. jesus said, if I used the spirit of God to cast out demons then the kingdom of God has over taken you. based on this inderstanding the Holy spirit is not a member of the Trinity.
Jesus christ send the holy spirit as a gift to the believers to help them to reveal Jesus christ to the world boldly as witnesses of the gospel of Jesus christ, there is no three persons in God, God is in all things he created all things for him by him.
Read your statement, and yet that does not prove the Trinity. Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christ allow a council of men to come together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seek to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind. 1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men.
@@S.R.M. I agree with you, there is but one God and savior and His name is Jesus Christ, revealed to the world by the angel of God, Gabriel and His word in the scriptures.
@@marcusvanrensberg6060 I appreciate that, but did you read what I wrote? Most Christians believe the doctrine of the Trinity to be biblical, and they cite Matthew 28:18-20 or 1 John 5:7. But is the following the original quote of Christ? “And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, ‘All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” These verses are the modern-day rendition identifying an interpolation, so the question must be asked, “Did Christ speak every word found in these verses?” The first Church Historian Eusebius (quotes Matthew 28:19 as it appeared in the early 4th century, Christ said, “Go and make disciples of all nations in My name” (Matthew 28:19, as it was originally quoted, Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, Penguin Classics, 1965). Note, He never said, “...baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.” Which commandment did the disciples hear? It appears the latter quoted by Eusebius from an original manuscript of the NT, for there is no instance of the disciples ever baptizing anyone “In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost,” according to the New Testament! On baptisms specifically were done in the name of {YAHSHUA}, Martin Luther notes, “The apostles certainly used this formula in baptizing in the name of Christ only, as we read in the Acts of the Apostles,’ citing Acts 2:38; 10:48; and 19:5” (Erik H. Herrmann, Paul W. Robinson, The Annotated Luther, Volume 3: Church and Sacraments. Fortress Press. p. 66, 2016). In a documented sermon, Martin Luther made this astonishing statement, “It is indeed true that the name ‘Trinity’ is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man” (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, 1988, p. 406). The disciples of Christ in the first two or more centuries did not know of any doctrine of the Trinity. Historically, “There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the trinity-at any rate from him” (H. G. Wells, The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499, 1920). Therefore, without a doubt, The so-called Great Commission, as written is an interpolation: "Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 28:19, the words “...in the name of the Father and of the Son, and the Holy Ghost” were added centuries later). The disciples were to make disciples in His name, and they were baptized in the name of Christ only as the NT gives evidence. The formula is mentioned in the Didache (7:1-3), and it is mostly accepted as authentic due to its supporting manuscript evidence (Everett Ferguson, Baptism in the Early Church, 2013, pp. 134-5). Nevertheless, some scholars have held the view that the passage in the Didache is an interpolation as it is absent from the first few centuries of early Christian quotations, in which case it is believed it would be part of an apostolic or early Christian oral tradition from which both the received texts of Matthew and the Didache emerged, however, the conclusion is the church only baptized in the name of Christ. The view of the passage as an interpolation was in recent times maintained, and this particular line of opposing arguments by Trinitarians is pure eisegesis, meaning the process of interpreting a text in such a way as to introduce one's presuppositions, agendas, or biases, that artificially supports the Trinitarian formula, and based on interpolated verses added to the New Testament. Catholics and Protestants would agree with Protestant Theologian James White, who writes, “We hang a person’s very salvation upon the acceptance of the doctrine…We must know, understand, and love the Trinity to be fully completely Christian” (The Forgotten Trinity, pp. 14-15). And yet most other scholars know that the Trinity is beyond human understanding, “The mind of man cannot fully understand the mystery of the Trinity. He who has tried to understand the mystery fully will lose his mind, but he who would deny the Trinity will lose his soul” (Harold Lindsell and Charles Woodbridge, A Christian Handbook, pp. 51-52, 1953). Nowhere in the New Testament is believing in the Trinity a prerequisite for one’s salvation. Nowhere in the Bible did the LORD ever reveal Himself as a Trinity, or Triune God. Interpolations exist in the New Testament, which are words added later to prove the Trinity. Matthew 28:19 and 1 John 5:7 are proven interpolations, and therefore not of the original Scriptures. 1 John 5:7 is known as “The Johannine comma,” due to a sequence of extra words in 1 John 5:7-8 which appear in later versions of the Bible, but not in earlier Scriptures. Compare these words below in italics in the KJV and the same verse from the newer ESV. "For there are three that bear record (witness) in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one" (1 John 5:7-8 KJV). "For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree" (1 John 5:7-8, ESV). These extra words are generally absent from the early Greek manuscripts. They only appear in the text in late medieval manuscripts, which were done by Trinitarians to bolster the man-made doctrine of the Trinity. The Trinitarian doctrine only existed since the 4th century! A religion unexamined is not worth having. Besides, most Christians when questioned about the Trinity prove to be Modalists, not Trinitarians (The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). Christians have given examples of the Trinity, and one is the steam, water, and ice, which is not a good example for it only proves modalism. The Trinity is not so much a mystery as it is the doctrine of confusion, and we know that God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33).
There are many characters in the Bible that have claimed divinity are the Bible has given them divinity status! Why not put them part of the trinity? How about one essence and 5 persons! At the end of that day 1x1x1x1x1x1= 1
Why is it Jesus never took credit for the things he did and taught but credited it all to his Father and yet the churches insist on giving him all the honor? Why did Jesus always talk about his Father's name and pray for his Father's name to be glorified, and yet the churches have removed his Father's name from his own Word and use only Jesus' name ? The trinity doctrine is a pagan, Greek philosophy inspired apostasy of the 3rd and 4th centuries. It is the chief lie of Christendom, the foundation of her apostasies. The truth of God's Word is simple and easy to understand and requires no 'mystery'. There is one Almighty God, Jehovah, the maker of all things. That includes the firstborn of His creation, His beloved son whom he sent to redeem mankind from sin and death.
You are a heathen you hate the son because yo7 hate the Father Wacko cult member all day on the interent You dont even watch the vids your dead conscience is seared
@@iacoponefurio1915 You accuse but offer no proof or scripture. The HISTORY of the doctrine is well established and well documented. Despite your vitriolic, hate-filled accusation, I am the one defending the Father and his name. My conscience is quite alive, thank you very much. Christendom HATES those that expose it's pagan lies and false doctrines. ( P.S. The next time you call someone a heathen, perhaps it would do you better to use actual words, so as not to appear so childish. Proper punctuation helps to).
Sproul is amazing! But, not in a good way. He seems to confuse natural changes in word meanings with changes in word meanings that are agenda-driven. God never expressed the ideas contained in the Trinitarian definitions of “person” and “being,” nor those ideas contained in the philosophical language of Greek gnostics that the Trinitarians so love to use to talk about God.
The illogicalness and contradition of the 'trinity' has so often been 'justified by the sweeping statement "Oh its just a mystery! we cant expect to know everything about God...et.c." This is false reasoning! the word 'mystery' is from the Greek MYSTERON' which actually means that which IS revealed! ( not the opposite! )Thus Paul says at Rom 16:25,26 "...the revelation of the MYSTERY which was kept secret since the world began BUT NOW IS MADE MANIFEST". ( this word MYSTERON is used elsewhere in the NT in exactly the same way! Thus if the 'trinity' is true ,surely it would have been CLEARLY TAUGHT throughout the NT. Howevert NOT ONCE does either the word, or the creed inclusion "There are three persons in one God" occur anywhere in the NT!
I was referred here to a clear expression of trinity. I have not found it. In fact I seriously question this speakers grasp on logical comprehension. How come he is reported as a heavyweight on theology? His opening statement I saw through four years ago with just a strongs bedside concordance and a free interlinear App on my phone. Indeed Sproul in his opening statement from Heb one, completely misses the meaning of the greek word "aeons" which is translated as "world" (and he adds a little aside claim ,not in the scripture, that this proves Jesus is the agent of creation) and that greek word "aeons" means periods of time as Verse 1 implies the context, that of ages past and now the age of Grace. And Sproul also misses the point that NOW (theres that Aeons again.. NOW is a time word) Jesus is raised high above angels (as god the son he always was before wasnt he trinitarian?... wasnt he? , so whats the big deal ) and is "seated at GODS right hand (do trinnies not believe Jesus is already God?... he would have had an empty seat to return to) and that Jesus is the "express image of God" in that an image is not the thing itself. Adam was also an imager of God, but Adam was disobedient. Was Adam God? NO! An Image is something that reflects or represents, like Joseph represented Pharaoh, but wasnt pharaoh, yet was given all authority and seated on Pharaohs throne. A foreshadow of Gods intention, to raise a dead person who wasnt royal family and seat that person in authority on the throne... do you see the picture, good old joseph and his amazing dream coat. Sproul is ether dishonest in this or lacking in logical comprehension.
He is in love with this theology of the trinity. What determines our beliefs is not so much rationality, logic or experience, but our affection. That is why people who don't love God cannot believe in Him even if presented with all facts, logic, arguments. Sproul is affectionate towards Orthodoxy. Hence, he cannot but believe it.
@@cue_khb thats pretty much it, you hit the nail on the head. my previous christian family (when i was srd evangelical) now give me weird smiles and avoid talking about God, like ostriches with heads in sand. lovers of religious orthodoxy who wont search out the logic of scripture. I was one for over 30 years, now im called a heretic and false reacher. So be it, its their free will. blessings.
100.00 reward: present first the sinners prayer book chapter and verse, now do the same with the trinity. yes the trinity is absurdly catholic. yes, at the council of nicea. it cant be removed from history books. another angle, lets give the sinners prayer a chance first, jesus chose 12 apostles, the were to preach the gospel to all nations jesus told them and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name, beginning at jerusalem luke 24;44, jesus was just risen from the dead, that marks the new testament beginning yet beginning at acts 2;38- the apostles began spreading the gospel. book chapter and verse, when did the apostles preach a set of words to repeat as in the sinners prayer to anyone? according to every trinitarian anything, this shows the apostles ignored jesus, picture this: jesus is screaming ! no peter! why arent you having those people repeat the sinners prayer??? and why did the apostles fail to ever explain something that would be of paramount importance like the trinity? sin is explained everywhere in the bible as is repentance and baptism in jesus name for the remission of sins? why does jesus say he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. but he that believeth not shall be damned? and not he that believeth and repeats the sinners prayer ???
100.00 reward: present first the sinners prayer book chapter and verse, now do the same with the trinity. yes the trinity is absurdly catholic. yes, at the council of nicea. it cant be removed from history books. another angle, lets give the sinners prayer a chance first, jesus chose 12 apostles, the were to preach the gospel to all nations jesus told them and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name, beginning at jerusalem luke 24;44, jesus was just risen from the dead, that marks the new testament beginning yet beginning at acts 2;38- the apostles began spreading the gospel. book chapter and verse, when did the apostles preach a set of words to repeat as in the sinners prayer to anyone? according to every trinitarian anything, this shows the apostles ignored jesus, picture this: jesus is screaming ! no peter! why arent you having those people repeat the sinners prayer??? and why did the apostles fail to ever explain something that would be of paramount importance like the trinity? sin is explained everywhere in the bible as is repentance and baptism in jesus name for the remission of sins? why does jesus say he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. but he that believeth not shall be damned? and not he that believeth and repeats the sinners prayer ???
100.00 reward: present first the sinners prayer book chapter and verse, now do the same with the trinity. yes the trinity is absurdly catholic. yes, at the council of nicea. it cant be removed from history books. another angle, lets give the sinners prayer a chance first, jesus chose 12 apostles, the were to preach the gospel to all nations jesus told them and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name, beginning at jerusalem luke 24;44, jesus was just risen from the dead, that marks the new testament beginning yet beginning at acts 2;38- the apostles began spreading the gospel. book chapter and verse, when did the apostles preach a set of words to repeat as in the sinners prayer to anyone? according to every trinitarian anything, this shows the apostles ignored jesus, picture this: jesus is screaming ! no peter! why arent you having those people repeat the sinners prayer??? and why did the apostles fail to ever explain something that would be of paramount importance like the trinity? sin is explained everywhere in the bible as is repentance and baptism in jesus name for the remission of sins? why does jesus say he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. but he that believeth not shall be damned? and not he that believeth and repeats the sinners prayer ???
First commandment: YHWH is one. If the Father is YHWH and Jesus is YHWH, it makes two YHWHs. Don't fall for it. Follow Jesus' teachings. Jesus taught that the Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD. John 17:1-3.
"One in Essence, Three in person" is man made philosophy, doesn't say that in the bible Bible, ALWAYS mentions, God the Father, NEVER mentions, God the Son or God the Trinity, but always mentions Jesus as the, Son of God. 1 Corinthians 8:6 - New International Version yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
You do not read the bible This day i have called you my son I have begotten thee Not to mention the original hebrew is Elohim plural No one is getting converted to your space cadet wacko cult. You have no Savior and reject the entire bible you are dead in your sins Get off the internet and seek actual truth amd repent.
Space cadet creepo cult not even clever or sustainable Pointless drivel and yet you and you 35 fake profiles complain on the same videos every day hahahahaha You are really desperate and incompetent
@@iacoponefurio1915 Please every one do not respond to this unchristian person! he has just sent a very unplesant, bigotted and insulting relpy to me! I am reporting him!
My friend, nobody is saying that God SHARES His glory. He is God the father, God the son, and God the holy spirit. He shares His glory with NONE. Other than HIMSELF.
@@HerreraFamilyAdventures Thanks! comment appreciated. Look my point is that its not that the bible merely says 'there is ONE GOD, but that Its only the FATHER who is the 'One true God' not 'God the Father, Son & Holy Spirit'. Jesus said "The hour is coming when the true worshipers will WORSHIP THE FATHER" ( john 4:23,24). He didnt say " Will worship God", but the FATHER. Paul also singled out just the FATHER for greatest Glory at Phil 2:11 " That every tongue should confess that Jesus is Lord to the GLORY OF ( now note this..) GOD THE FATHER"" So the one the bible states we should worship is not just 'God' but GOD THE FATHER'. Also Paul's intro to at least THREE of his epistles directs us to 'bless' ( worship) The Father... "Blessed be the GOD and FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ" 2 Cor 1:3 Eph 1:3 Col 1:3 all KJV, So though a trinitarian will claim that any reference to our worshiping 'God' could mean the Father, Son & Holy Spirit' we are enjoined to worship the FATHER as Jesus said because as Jesus himself said "The Father is Greater than I am ( John 14:28 ). So the 'One God' I worship is the Father, and I do so THROUGH the Son as Jesus taught me! ( See John 16:23) No NT text tells us the 'worship the Son or worship the holy Spirit' ( as God).
Questioner: If there are three distinct persons (person, person, person), and each one of them is a doctor, how many doctors are there? Trinitarians: 3 Questioner: If there are three distinct persons (person, person, person), and each one of them is a police officer, how many police officers are there? Trinitarians: 3 Questioner: If there are three distinct persons (person, person, person), and each one of them is a God, how many Gods are there? Trinitarians: 1 Questioner: Congratulations. You have reached the peak of stupidity.
Police officers aren’t God. Doctors aren’t God. God is good, and you aren’t. You chose to insult this group instead of just adding your opinion, choose differently next time.
The trinity is a 'mystery' from a book that says God is not one of confusion: 1st Corinthians 14:33. It's a false teaching, God and Jesus are NOT the same person. Proverbs 14:15 says it all.
The original text in Matthew 28 was not a Trinity Jesus said go, and make disciples of men, baptizing them in my name. God is not a person in heaven except when pertaining to the Lamb he became. God is Spirit, and there is One Spirit. If the Father is Spirit, according to the Son And there is another holy spirit. That is not taught in the gospel. Happy Thanksgiving ❤️
😂😂😂😂😂 WAKE UP! GET RID OF FALSE TEACHERS ONE VERSE IN THE BIBLE THAT SUPPORTS ONENESS DOCTRINE AND KNOCKOUT THE TRINITY'S 3 PERSONS. Job 13:7-8 KJV Will ye speak wickedly for God? and talk deceitfully for him? [8] Will ye accept his person? will ye contend for God?
Hello Jesus is the Messiah The Son of God The Son of David The Son of man The man God has chosen to be his anointed king The man God will judge the world through The man God raised from the dead Jesus has a God There is no triune god in scripture Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. -
WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE A SON OF GOD? THE FIRST MENTIONING OF GOD HAVING ANY SUCH SON IS FIRST REVEALED TO US AT GENESIS 6:1,2 WHERE WE ARE TOLD: “Now when men started to grow in number on the surface of the ground and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of the true God began to notice that the daughters of men were beautiful. So they began taking as wives all whom they chose.” THIS RATIONALLY TIES IN WITH SATAN’S WORDS: “…If you are a son of God, throw yourself down…” Matthew 4:6 THEREFORE, WE ARE TOLD THAT GOD HAS MANY SONS THE SCRIPTURES REFER TO THOSE SONS BY MANY DIFFERENT TITLES AND DESIGNATIONS SUCH AS ANGELS, CHERUBS, STARS ETC. ETC. WE KNOW THIS BECAUSE WE ARE MADE AWARE OF THE REACTION THAT TOOK PLACE IN HEAVEN WITH THESE CREATURES UPON WITNESSING A NEW CREATION BEING BROUGHT FORTH BY GOD AS FOLLOW: “When the morning stars joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause?” Job 38:7 THEREFORE, SINCE THE SPIRIT REALM WAS CREATED FRIST ALL INTELLIGENT CREATION IN HEAVEN ARE DESIGNATED AS SONS OF GOD HERE IS WHERE THIS OBVIOUSLY BECOMES VERY REVEALING: “Now the day came when the sons of the true God entered to take their station before Jehovah, and Satan also entered among them.” Job 1:6 EVEN GOD’S WAYWARD SON SATAN TOOK HIS USUAL PLACE WHEN GOD CALLED A FAMILY MEETING YEAH, THE VERY ONE RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING BEING OFFSET IN A PERFECTLY GOOD CREATION WAS ONCE A BELOVED SON OF GOD AS WELL SO, THIS BEGGS THE QUESTION ABOUT JESUS AS TO HOW COULD HE BE A SON OF GOD IN THE SAME SENSE AS THE ANGELS WHEN HE WAS 100% HUMAN - RIGHT? THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS COMPLETELY GIVEN TO US IN A CONVERSATION THAT JESUS HAD WHILE ON EARTH WITH NICODEMUS WHEN HE TOLD HIM: “What has been born from the flesh is flesh, and what has been born from the spirit is spirit.” John 3:6 HE FURTHER WHEN ON TO TELL HIM: “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.” John 3:16 JESUS THUS SINGLES HIMSELF OUT AS THE ONLY ONE DIRECTLY CREATED BY GOD BY DECLARING HIMSELF AS THE “ONLY BEGOTTEN” HOW IS THAT TO BE UNDERSTOOD? BOTH THE APOSTLES JOHN AND PAUL CLARIFIES THE MEANING OF JESUS BEING THIS TOP-RANKING “ONLY BEGOTTEN” SON OF GOD AS FOLLOW JOHN TELLS US HOW HE WAS USED BY GOD IN HEAVEN BEFORE BEING SENT TO EARTH STATING: “This one was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence. What has come into existence 14 So the Word became flesh (JOHN 3:6) and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of divine favor and truth.” John 1:2,3,14 AND THE APOSTLE PAUL CONFIRMS THIS WITNESS STATING: “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him.” Colossians 1:15,16 SO NOW WE SEE WHY MOST SO-CALLED CHRISTIANS HOLD AND THINK THAT JESUS IS GOD! WHAT THE SCRIPTURES ARE TEACHING US IS THAT UNLIKE THE SONS OF GOD THAT CAME TO EARTH MAKING THEMSELVES HALF HUMAN TO COHABITATE WITH WOMEN AND FATHER OFFSPRING ON EARTH AND TO LORD IT OVER THE HUMAN POPULATION - IN CONTRAST - THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON’S LIFE FORCE WAS TRANSFORMED INTO FLESH AND HE WAS BORN AGAIN INTO THE WORLD AS A FLESH AND BLOOD HUMAN: “Indeed, the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great: ‘He was made manifest in flesh, was declared righteous in spirit…” 1 Timothy 3:16 A KEY TO UNDERSTANDING ALL OF THIS IS THE FACT THAT: “... He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might become the one who is first in all things;” Colossians 1:18 BEING FIRST IN ALL THINGS IS THE KEY TO KNOWING HOW IT IS POSSIBLE FOR JESUS TO HAVE HAD A PRE-HUMAN EXISTENCE WITHOUT HAVING TO BE HALF ANGELIC AND HALF HUMAN AT THE SAME TIME SINCE HE IS THE FIRST ONE TO EVER BE BORN AGAIN!!! HERE IS THE PROPER VIEW THOSE THAT HAVE THE UPWARD HEAVENLY CALLING TO BE WITH JESUS IN HEAVEN WILL HAVE TO BECOME BORN AGAIN IN ORDER TO BECOME ANGELIC AS WE ARE TOLD: “But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom…” 1 Corinthians 15:50 SO, IT STANDS THAT ALL OF THOSE HAVING THE HEAVENLY CALLING (OF WHICH I AM NOT ONE OF THEM) WILL HAVE HAD - FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE ANGELS THAT ARE ALREADY RESIDING IN THE HEAVENS LOOKING UPON - THOSE BEING BROUGHT FROM THE EARTH - TO THOSE ANGLES - THOSE WHO WERE ONCE HUMAN WILL HAVE HAD A PRE- ANGELIC EXISTENCE HOWEVER, ONCE THEY GO TO HEAVEN, THEY WILL NOT BE HALF ANGELIC AND HALF HUMAN BUT RATHER 100% ANGELIC EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE ONCE HUMAN (REVELATION 14:3) SIMPLE PUT THOSE BEING “BROUGHT FROM THE EARTH” TO LIVE IN HEAVEN WILL BECOME 100% SPIRIT BEINGS EVEN THOUGH THEY USE TO BE HUMANS AND LIKEWISE THAT IS WHAT TOOK PLACE IN MAKING GOD’S ONLY DIRECT CREATION- “ONLY BEGOTTON SON” THAT WAS ONCE AN ANGLE - THE REVERSE OF THE SAME TRANSFORMATION PROCESS THAT WE LEARN FROM THE SCRIPTURES THAT TOOK PLACE WITH THE SPIRIT BEING THAT WAS SENT TO EARTH TO BECOME A 100% HUMAN BEING WHO WE CALL BY THE NAME OF JESUS “‘I, Jesus, sent my angel to bear witness to you about these things for the congregations. I am the root and the offspring of David and the bright morning star.’” Revelation 22:16 WE ARE TOLD IN THE BIBLE THAT UNLIKE THOSE ANGELS THAT FORSOOK THE HEAVENS TO ACT AS gODS ON THE EARTH IN IMITATION OF SATAN (JUDE 6 - SEE ALSO REVELATION 12:9) THAT JESUS EVEN AFTER BECOMING AWARE OF HIS PRE-HUMAN EXISTENCE UPON HIS BAPTISM THAT HE: “who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. 7 No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and became human. 8 More than that, when he came as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death, yes, death on a torture stake.” Philippians 2:6,7,8 I HAVE ONLY TOUCHED UPON ALL OF THIS AS THIS ALL IS SO MUCH DEEPER THAN WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED HERE IF YOU CAN GET THE SENSE OF THIS THAN, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY THAT OUR HEAVENLY FATHER IS OFFERING YOU TO LEARN THE TRUTH THAT WILL MAKE THE ULTIMATE DIFFERENCE IN YOUR LIFE AS RELATED TO US IN THESE WORDS: “This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.” John 17:3 THIS IS THE PRAYER I OFFER IN YOUR BEHALF IN JESUS NAME AMEN!
There is a difference He us called the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. Big difference, you needed to go to more scriptures John 17:5 glorify Me with the glory We had together before the world began. Look at what Isaiah says "I am the Lord, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another Isaiah 42: 8 Yet Jesus shared that glory with the Father before the world was
@@saved6655 Isaiah says, " I am Jehovah", not lord. The statement makes no sense as you're implying as LORD is a title. John 17 makes perfect sense as Jesus was the first thing created and alongside his Father as everything else was created. No trinity implied or needed.
@@saved6655 Glory: "high renown or honor won by notable achievements". There are different types of glory, even "the glory of men", the glory of a woman's hair (1 Corinthians 11:15), etc. I assume you're referencing John15:5 " And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the founding of the world." Jesus did not say " our glory", nor did he say, " Give me YOUR glory". He said "the glory I had" with you. All that's being said is that he enjoyed a glory with his Father, not the "my glory" of Isaiah that Jehovah makes plain he shares with no one. ( Note: God was addressing the Israelites in this passage that were engaging in idol worship. " I am Jehovah! That is my name! I will not give my my glory to another nor my praise to carved images". Isaiah 42:8) Jesus also says plainly that he was in "God's presence." So he is before his father enjoying the glory God gave him. No trinity there. Also, as the Son of Man, Jesus is showing he is the fulfillment of Daniel 7:13,14. He is given glory by the Ancient of Days, Jehovah God.
How can mere mortals be so arrogant as to try and 'define' or 'explain' the true nature of God! The biggest mistake that the 'church' made was to be 'dazzled' by the 'wisdom' & cleverness' of the 'church fathers' who mostly were educated & wealthy PHILOSOPHERS! Paul had warned the brothers Not to heed the 'philosophies of men' ( Col 2:8) Remember too that the apostles who gave us the NT were "Unlettered and ordinary men" They preached that there is just "One God & Father of all persons who is overall" (Eph 4:6) and that Jesus Christ was NOT 'God the son' ( no bible verse says this!) but the Son of God as John summed up in his gospel ( read John 20:31) Amen
We begin in Genesis 1:1-2 (reading from the World English Bible) 1 In the beginning, God[a] created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was formless and empty. Darkness was on the surface of the deep and God’s Spirit was hovering over the surface of the waters. Commentary: Genesis was first written in the Hebrew language. The English word God found in English Bibles is translated from the Hebrew word Elohim. God [a], the Hebrew word “אֱלֹהִ֑ים” (Elohim) means ‘gods’. The creative force of the heavens and the earth is shown to be "Elohim" (the Hebrew generic word for "gods"). Hebrew words with ‘im’ on the end of a word is like an English words with ‘s’ on the end to indicate a plural, literally “gods created the heavens and the earth.” Another way to define the word Elohim is found in Deuteronomy 10:17, that is “the God of gods,” as a collective force. Like an Army that moves as one is a force. God singular over gods plural, as the creator is the one we call our Savior, the very Messiah, YAHSHUA, who is the Son of sons, the Lord of lords, the King of kings. YAHSHUA the Christ, who represents His God and Father perfectly, for this reason, “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence” (Colossians 1:15-18). Christ, not His God and Father, is the creator of the heaven and the earth along with His companions, the gods, and they collectively are the Elohim. This precludes any notion that Elohim is indicative of the Trinity for the following reasons: The Trinity is defined as the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God, and yet not three gods (Elohim), one God (Eloah, or EL). The plural Elohim does not fit into the equation of the Trinitarian formula. The Elohim are identified in the Bible as sons of God, as found in Psalm 82:6. From the Hebrew we see that God calls the sons of God “elohim.” As translated directly from the Hebrew Scriptures, we read, and quote God, “I said, “You are elohim (gods), and all of you are sons of the Most High.” The Father and God of our Lord YAHSHUA the Christ speaking to Him, informs us, “But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.” And: “You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands” (Hebrews 1:8-10). The Companions are the sons of God in association with the Preeminent Son of God. God the Father refers to the Son as LORD (YHWH), in other words Christ is the God of Israel, and the Shema identifies Him (Deuteronomy 6:4). Christ is our only God, for He is our only “Rock” (Isaiah 44:6-8, compare 1 Corinthians 10:1-4).
Actually it is Psalmist who says the words Paul quoted at Hebrews 1:8,9. Not God. See Psalms 45:6,7. God will never address someone else as God. Rearrange the sentence to read: But to the son he says: You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, YOUR GOD has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your COMPANIONS.” The Psalmist was drawing the contrast between God whose throne is everlasting. And the Son who is ONE of the Kings anointed by God.
@@jimjuri6490 YAHSHUA said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father and to My God and your God’ ” (John 20:17). It is not far fetched that the Father would address the Son as God and that He is His God. Based on the Savior's statement, and the Father's statement in Hebrews 1:8-9, the interpretation is correct, and yours is wrong.
@@S.R.M. : I'm sure you can read. Jesus tells Mary that he is returning to his Father and God who is the SAME Father and God as Mary's. John 20:17. IF Jesus is God because he has a God, shouldn't Mary be God too? (1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God, the Father, This is proper Christian belief. JWs are Jesus' disciples. Ask them for help in learning what Christianity is about.
@@jimjuri6490 Ecumenism is the concept that Christians who belong to different Christian denominations should work together to develop closer relationships among their churches and promote Christian unity. The adjective ecumenical is thus applied to any group of Christians, who take the initiative and thereby encourage greater cooperation and union among Christian denominations and churches. The fact that all Christians belonging to mainstream Christianity profess faith in Jesus, a name never revealed by God, and has only existed since the 17th century, and even though they believe that the Bible is inspired by God (John 1:1), however, they receive baptism according to the Trinitarian formula, which the disciples of Christ did not believe. Yes, the Bible is inspired by the LORD. Baptisms done by the Trinitarian formula are problematic, and yet this is seen as being a basis for ecumenism and its goal of Christian unity. Ecumenists cite John 17:20-23, which quotes YAHSHUA, and we read, “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.” This serves as the biblical grounds for striving for church unity, in which YAHSHUA prays "may all be one" in order "that the world may know" and believe the Gospel message. But until all come to truly understand the Word of God, as it is in the Bible, we cannot possibly become one. What is wrong with the Trinity formula in Baptism? There is only one place in the New Testament where Christ is believed to have commanded His disciples to baptize according to the Trinitarian formula. We find this in Matthew 28:19, and we read, “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit…” Well, there is no doubt that the disciples did as the Lord commanded, right? And even if they forgot that He even said this, that is “...baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit…” the promise of the Holy Spirit would remind them, right? It is right here in John 14:25-26, and we read, “These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.” Except the apostles never baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost in the New Testament! All baptisms in the New Testament were done in the name of YAHSHUA. They were not done in the name of Jesus because that name was never known by them, the very apostles and disciples of Christ. This is a historic fact. The well-known historian Ernest Renan acknowledges this in his book, The Life of Jesus, p. 90. There is no evidence in the New Testament of any baptisms done using the Trinitarian formula. All baptisms were done in the name, by which they knew the Messiah, YAHSHUA. All Scriptures in the New Testament testify to believers being baptized in the name of YAHSHUA only. Acts 2:38, and we read, "Then Peter said to them, “Repent and let every one of you be baptized in the name of YAHSHUA the Christ for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 8:16, and we read, “For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord YAHSHUA.” Acts 10:48, and we read, “And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to stay a few days.” Acts 19:5, and we read, “When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord YAHSHUA.” Acts 22:16, and we read, “And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.” Romans 6:3, and we read, “Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ YAHSHUA were baptized into His death?” Galatians 3:27, and we read, “For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.” There is no evidence in the New Testament that the Church of Christ in the 1st century of any baptisms done in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. What are we to make of this? Is Matthew 28:19 authentic? Is there any evidence to the contrary that Christ never said, “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit…”? Let us turn to the earliest church historian Eusebius Eusebius of Caesarea, he was born around 260 AD and died on May 30, 339. He was the official Church historian of Christianity. In about the year of AD 314, he became the bishop of Caesarea in the Roman province of Syria Palestine. Eusebius was a scholar of the biblical canon and is regarded as one of the most learned Christians during late antiquity. He was known as the "Father of Church History," and he produced the Ecclesiastical History, The History of the Church, which is now a Penguin Classics Book, published in 1967, and we note p. 68. Eusebius quotes Matthew 28:19, and we read, “Go and make disciples in My name.” He quotes from an ancient text of The Gospel According to Matthew, and there is nothing mentioned of baptizing in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost”! Therefore, the apostles were never commanded by Christ to baptize using the Trinitarian formula. Historian H. G. Wells in his noted work, The Outline of History, writes, “There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from him” (Vol. 2, p. 499). And finally, a quote from Martin Luther, It is indeed true that the name ‘Trinity’ is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man” (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, 1988, p. 406).
@@S.R.M. : This is what Christians believe. (1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God, the Father, Jesus believes it, his disciples believed it. Jesus' last days' disciples (JWs) believe it. No one can become a Disciple of God. It is IMPOSSIBLE. That is why all the baptisms were: Acts 2:38 Peter said to them: “Repent, and let each one of you be baptized IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST for forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the FREE GIFT of the holy spirit. Obviously 'in the name of the Father, son and holy spirit' was not some formula for baptism (ref Matthew 28:19). It was to show any prospective DISCIPLE OF JESUS, that they must FIRST come to know who God is (The Father). See Jesus' prayer to his God Jehovah at John 17:3. Then they should get baptized as DISCIPLES of Jesus. Then the free gift of the holy spirit will be given these DISCIPLES of Jesus. (John 13:35) By this all will know that YOU ARE MY DISCIPLES-if you have love among yourselves.” The YOU refers to one united group of Jesus disciples. These can be identified by the criteria stated and their involvement in fulfilling Matthew 24:14 under Jesus' direction. Those who use Matthew 28:19 to say that it was about a trinity, have absolutely no idea what Jesus meant.
the holy spirit is not a person bcuz in the day of the penticost there 120 prople that were filled by the holy spirit, If that is a person were they filled by persons
I have a question? Is there any other persons in The Trinity other than The Father, The Son, and Holy Ghost? For example: Is The Burning Bush from Exodus 3, Pillar of Cloud by Day & Pillar of Cloud by Night from Exodus 13, Man that wrestled with Jacob from Genesis 32, Angelic Man that spoke with Abraham from Genesis 18, etc.. Are these included within or outside of The Trinity and do these persons of God have their own thrones and is their scriptures to back up the answer for these separate persons of God?
No God has manifested Himself in three distinct persons. All those appearances are theophanies. We could those appearances were appearances of pre existent Christ before he took on flesh. When we read the Bible, we see God having this personal relationship within each persons of the Trinity, and that's how he manifests and works. We see that especially in the Gospels. About the thrones, we know that Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father and that the Holy Spirit works in unison within the two. Also in revelations, we see that Jesus will judge the nations.
what about lady wisdom in Prov8:20, was she the mother of Jesus playing in the celestial sandbox when they made all of creation, Same wording as Jn1:1....... she was there in the beginning with god and did a bunch of stuff.... i am being faceitious. No there is only one God, and the man Jesus raised and mediator on Gods throne, the only mediator between god and Man. (1Tim) That God is Holy, and Spirit, so that is God working among us in spirit, a Holy Spirit, not a third dude.
I think you're asking the wrong questions. Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christ allow a council of men to come together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seek to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind. 1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men.
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The doctrine of the trinity states that Jesus and God the Father are equal, but Bible verses refute that: the head of Christ is God. 1 Corinthians 11:3 the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all. 1 Corinthians 15:28
They are equal, but their roles are different. The Father is the head of Christ in the same way that the husband is the head of the wife, but that doesn't mean the wife is not equal to the husband. Christ came to do His Father's will, He subjected himself to His Father, but they are equal in worth, righteousness, holiness, love, justice, etc.
Just as Brianna said. Just as husband and wife are equal but the man is the head of the wife, so the Father and son are equal but the Son submits to the Father. Jesus coming to earth and dying for our sins wouldn't have been possible without this willing submission from Jesus to the Father.
Why do you call them "Persons?" This term is always applied to human beings. Why do you claim that God is even a Person? I would like to know where you got this idea from. Who made it applicable to our one supreme being who is omnipotent, omniscient, and ever lasting? The word for person in Hebrews 1:3 is "hupostasis" which means "essence and substance."
Why don't you watch the video again and take notes like I did? You will find there the reason why he quoted the word person/personhood. Be a good student. Repeat it!
@@approvedofGod I would encourage you to watch the session again. It's the LANGUAGE problematic that has changed. He explained that from the use of the word person/personhood to essence/existence/substance. Take a pen and paper and take note. That will help. I did! I would agree with you if i found the same but try it.
@@rpireland6131 There's no nees to watch the video again. R.C. Sproul uses only METAPHYSICS and GREEK PHILOSOPHY of Plato and Aristoteles to teach the false doctrine of the Trinity. No Biblie from Genesis to Revelation, ONLY METAPHYSICS and HUMAN PHILOSOPHY. R.C. Sproul is a FALSE TEACHER.
People who have multiple personalities suffer from Dissociative identity disorder (DID). All these attempts to make God a sufferer from a mental illness is bizarre. The prophecy at 2 Timothy 3:13 is called to mind. For Christians who are disciples of Jesus, this is their belief. (1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God, the Father, What others prefer to believe cannot be paraded around as Christian belief.
Thank you Sproul, your legacy continues.
I'm grateful.
1) Trinity/mysterious trinity god of three persons (1+1+1=1) -- the doctrine of the people in the world whose god is the idiot god of this world that blinded the world and (2Cor. 4:4)
AND
whose Christs are the false Christs/god the son, god the Word, mighty god, creator god, man god (Matt. 24:24)
"legacy" will END -- END OF THE WORLD IN HELL FIRE (Matt. 13:38-40).
2) MONOTHEISM/ONE GOD DOCTRINE (Ex. 20:3, John 17:1-3) -- the DOCTRINE of the CHOSEN PEOPLE/ELECT/LITTLE FLOCK of the LORD JESUS CHRIST/SON (Luke 12:32) whose GOD and FATHER is the ONLY TRUE GOD (John 17:1-3) -- the GOD and FATHER of the LORD JESUS CHRIST/SON and his LITTLE FLOCK/SONS/CHILDREN OF GOD (John 20:16-17) and whose "legacy" will remain and continue in the NEW BEGINNING -- ETERNAL LIFE in the KINGDOM OF GOD.
3) It's a CHOICE!
He is ‘unfusing’. Very helpful to understanding. Thank you sir.
Another great teacher and servant of God who is greatly missed now that he’s gone.
Please, confront the doctrine of the Trinity with what the Lord Jesus said in John 17:3 concerning His Father being the only true God.
@@jb_1971 Amen.
They are all literally so spellbound by their idol that they don't seem to notice that during this talk he basically calls Jesus and God "liars" and "hypocrites" because the Biblical Greek word for "hypocrites" refers to ACTORS playing ROLES and wearing MASKS.
That's exactly what Sproul (so evidently in love with pagan philosophers too) does here in defining "three personas".
All Trinitarians call Jesus a liar because they imply he "pretended" to be born, pretended to be a man, pretended to be tempted, pretended to die etc.
Trinitarians (and Modalists) ignore and despise the first epistle of John because it warns them and exposes them.
It was written to defend the identity of Jesus against Gnostics and we need it today more than ever.
"Who is a liar but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ ["God's anointed one"]?
He is antichrist, that denies the father and the son"
(1st John 2:22)
"Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh ["sarx/sarki"] is of God. And every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world"
(1st John 4:2-3)
"When Jesus came into the coasts of Cæsarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying
"Who do men say that I, the son of man, am?" And they said: "Some say that you are John the Baptist: some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets".
He asked them:
*But who do you say that I am*
And Simon Peter answered and said:
*You are the Christ, the Son of the living God*
And Jesus answered and said unto him: *Blessed are you* Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood has not revealed it unto you, but my Father who is in heaven"
(Matthew 16:13-17)
I am a former Oneness Pentecostal . I came to see even without contending for a doctrine of the Trinity , that God the Father , Jesus Christ , and the Holy Spirit exist eternally and are in unity with one another . I see the concept of persons based upon the fact that God the Father , Jesus Christ , and the Holy Ghost have a personal relationship with one another and with Christians .
I'm a former OP too. Nice to meet you. I don't fully see it yet, but I'm getting there. There are still some things I struggle to grasp about the Trinity.
@@thegreatestoftheseislove1c379 . It is when someone is able to see God the Father , Jesus Christ , and the Holy Spirit as someone personal such as the fact that they speak , they love , the Holy Spirit leads and guides , the Holy Spirit convicts Christians of sin , God the Father has a will , and Jesus Christ did His Father's will , Scripture is clear that there is only one God and one Spirit .The one Spirit is capable of existing personally as God the Father , Jesus Christ , and the Holy Ghost . Many professing Christians are not willing to take the time to analyze Scripture regarding the identity and existence of God . That is why many of them tell lies about the doctrine of the Trinity . The concept of the Trinity existed in Scripture long before it became a doctrine by name . It did not come from a pagan doctrine like many Oneness Pentecostals ignorantly believe .
@@billiskra2073 Amen. There is such a deep reverence, and fear about our Mighty God. I am humbled by this Trinity that I am getting to know. His thoughts are so much deeper and higher than mine, I can only bow down and worship. He is Holy, Holy, Holy.
@@thegreatestoftheseislove1c379 , Thank you for your inspiring words . There are many professing Christians who need to learn to be humble and realize that God has made it possible to know who He is according to what is in Scripture . God the Father knows who Jesus Christ is . Jesus Christ knows who God the Father is.God the Father knows who the Holy Spirit is . The Holy Spirit knows who God the Father and Jesus Christ are . I am amazed that all of the authors of Scripture were inspired by God to write about God in such a way that there is no doubt who God the Father , Jesus Christ , and the Holy Spirit are . Many professing Christians use sources outside of the Bible to refute what is in the Bible . That is what is wrong with Christianity today .
can u guys help me im a former OP to still cant get it i want to but i resist it their for i cant read the bible
A marvellous saint who did not impose himself on scripture, but relied totally on God’s word when explaining biblical truths.
He inserted his own views and personal biases into Scripture all the time. He was just too subtle for most people to notice.
Listen again to the first few minutes. He cannot simply read the text without inserting stuff like "deity" which isn't there.
He reads out Hebrews chapter one which repeatedly calls Jesus the SON of God.
And then he goes on to imply that Jesus wasn't really a son...
Because if he's a "DEITY" then he's not really a son i.e he wasn't born (and wasn't "conceived" in the womb of Mary) and the Gospel accounts of Jesus's birth are lies and Jesus also pretended to be just a man.
By Jesus constantly omitting to say he was GOD, he was essentially lying.
That's what Trinitarians, who are in love with doctrines of man, say.
Sproul then goes on to explain that "persons" don't mean "persons" and he probably goes to great lengths to do that because Jesus says "God is a SPIRIT" in John chapter 4.
He's certainly not a "person".
But Sproul talks about MASKS, which ACTORS playing ROLES used.
Did you know that the Biblical Greek word for "hypocrites" refers to the SAME THING i.e actors wearing masks??!!
He's calling God and Jesus "hypocrites" and "liars" and you don't even notice because like most, you're mesmerized by his supposed "cleverness".
Well, Satan is clever too.
GOD is CLEAR and transparent, not subtle and "clever".
It's the last straw when Sproul - out of pure vanity - then (like Roman Catholic academics) appeals to PAGAN Greek philosophy.
The Catholic doctrine of Transubstantiation comes from a concept by the pagan Aristotle.
Pagan philosophy is OF THE WORLD! It has nothing to do with the wisdom of GOD: 1 Corinthians 1:17 thru 2:16.
Why not just accept Jesus's affirmation of Peter's declaration of his identity in Matthew 16?? 👇
Jesus calls him "BLESSED".
I strongly suggest you repent of idolizing men and put your trust in what Jesus says about himself.
God is his father, indwelling him (John 14:10-11) and the Holy Spirit is the spirit of God.
It's very simple.
PS I'm no modalist either because it is insanity.
There is one God, one son of God and Messiah ("God's anointed one") and one Holy Spirit.
"When Jesus came into the coasts of Cæsarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying
"Who do men say that I, the son of man, am?" And they said: "Some say that you are John the Baptist: some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets".
He asked them:
*But who do you say that I am*
And Simon Peter answered and said:
*You are the Christ, the Son of the living God*
And Jesus answered and said unto him: *Blessed are you* Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood has not revealed it unto you, but my Father who is in heaven"
(Matthew 16:13-17)
First I heard of Sproul's teaching. Simply clear and easy to follow. Loved it! Thanks
This isn't the "mystery of godliness". This is :" These things I write to you, though I hope to come to you shortly; 15 but if I am delayed, I write so that you may know how you ought to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and [a]ground of the truth. 16 And without controversy great is the [b]mystery of godliness:
God[c] was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.
I've been studying on the trinity for a while now and can I just say that there is a genuine need for thorough comprehensive study of the fundamental Bible truths we hold. People rely so much on the Pope, pastors, prophets and others to teach them the Bible, that they are prone to putting the pastor's word above the Lord's. We need to study the Bible ourselves through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. We have to allow God to speak for Himself.
This is what God has opened my eyes to, now I see why sometimes Athiests and Agnostics and people of other faith think Christians are brainwashed, because we rather rely on pastors and church leaders to teach us about God other than having a relationship with God, studying His word, and questioning the doctrines that we are taught. The Lord laid it on my heart to tell you this. To tell anyone that would listen this. The doctrine of the trinity is false. I've studied the history of the trinity, tracing from Athanasius to Constantine and thanks to the Holy Spirit, I've left that belief. I believe in Jesus Christ, He is the Father incarnated. The Father, Son, and HS are not sperate "persons" but one person who has revealed Himself in more ways than one.
It's important to know, especially when telling others about our faith, the truth about out beliefs. The Trinity has always been a hot topic in the church for centuries after Jesus ascended. It's nothing new. This is a brief summary of the history concerning this doctrine. But centuries ago, in the late 200s and early 300s, the leaders of the Christians church were trying to figure out what the NT books meant when they talked about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Because we have to note that the NT books were compiled around the 3 or 4 century. And this caused confusion
The church leaders had no idea the relationship between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. So out of confusion they began coming up with theories, marking out their positions, kicking each other out of the church, and breaking up (this is one of the things that caused the East and West schism which was the break of communion between the Catholic church and other churches)
and they told everyone who didn't believe in their doctrine that they would go to hell. The topic of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit was one of, if not the biggest topic among Christian leaders in the year 325. The Roman Emperor Constantine who is sometimes seen as "the first Christian" emperor when in reality the guy was a pagan and saw religion as a way to expand and unite his empire. So Constantine along with some of the church bishops held a council in the town called Nicaea, and these bishops came up with the first version of the statement of faith that attempted to define the relationship between the Son and the Father. The statement they drafted is called the Nicene Creed which is what the vast majority of Christians and Christian churches have accepted as essential doctrine. And yet this is where the church got off track why? because although the Nicene creed does not contain the words "trinity" or "persons" (neither does the Bible by the way), what it DID say about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit set the church on a course towards the doctrine of the Trinity of persons. One or 2 centuries later, the Athanasian creed, another statement of faith which was composed and assembled by St Athanasius, greatly expanded on the Nicene creed and DID include the words "trinity" and persons. This introduced contradiction, confusion, and polytheism into the church even though no one wants to admit it.
(notice how none of them, not the church fathers, not Tertullian, or even St. Athanasius called upon the Lord, like the people in the Bible did. Whenever the children of the Lord wanted to know about God they called to Him and He answered. But in this situation, no one did that. None of them claim to even be inspired by God. All of this confusion was created by men trying to figure God out without the Spirit of God. God is not the author of confusion, but we get ourselves confused when we don't consult God about anything.
@@viviennebaptiste You're supposed to turn in your thesis to your professor, not post it to TH-cam.
@@viviennebaptiste
You stated, "... Jesus, He is the Father incarnated. The Father, the Son, and HS are not separate "person" but who has revealed Himself in many ways."
1) Please give your biblical references on what you stated.
2) Based on what you stated, how'd you relate it to the following verses:
"John 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee;
17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent."
a) The LORD JESUS CHRIST directly said and revealed that the FATHER is the ONLY TRUE GOD; therefore, SON/JESUS CHRIST IS NOT GOD, otherwise he's a false god.
b) And JESUS CHRIST, being the SON, he is not the FATHER, otherwise he's the Father of himself and the Son of himself. Absurd.
c) The FATHER sent HIS SON/JESUS CHRIST; therefore, the Father sent himself being also the Son. Absurd.
d) The FATHER gave power to the SON/JESUS CHRIST; therefore, the Father is the giver and the recipient of what he gave being the Son. Absurd.
e) The SON/JESUS CHRIST prayed to the FATHER; therefore, the SON/JESUS CHRIST prayed to himself or talking to himself being the Father also. Absurd.
f) The FATHER to whom the SON/JESUS CHRIST prayed was in HEAVEN; the SON/JESUS CHRIST was here on earth and yet ...???
g) Your belief or doctrine is as unbiblical, confusing, and absurd as the mysterious trinity god of three persons of pagan origin with its 1+1+1=1 mathematical -- an idiotic doctrine and equation which are totally devoid of TRUTH and LIGHT -- babylon/confusion.
Thank you for putting up more than 30 seconds of this outstanding teacher. I really do appreciate more than just a snippet.
1) "outstanding teacher" whose doctrine is the mysterious trinity god of three persons (1+1+1=1) -- an idiotic doctrine and equation which are totally devoid of TRUTH and LIGHT.
2) The GREATEST and "outstanding teacher" is the LORD JESUS CHRIST/SON whose DOCTRINE is MONOTHEISM/ONE GOD DOCTRINE -- the FATHER IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD (John 17:1-3) -- a REVEALED DOCTRINE which is so EASY to UNDERSTAND and FULL OF LIGHT.
Genius! This video has helped me a lot. I especially love the etymological banter which drives home the point of the message. God is amazing.
"Genius???
-- 1+1+1=1 mathematical equation for the trinity/ mysterious trinity god of three persons he preaches -- an idiotic doctrine and equation which are totally devoid of TRUTH and LIGHT.
Thank you Dr. Sproul for the clarity of your teaching about the doctrine of trinity. Your teaching remains as the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ said his word will still remained.
Sproul did not clarify anything about the Trinity, which would be impossible. Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christ allow a council of men to come together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seek to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind. 1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men.
“I deny that God exists”. That statement should definitely not be taken out of context.
Trying to fully understand the trinity you will lose your mind but to deny the trinity you will lose your soul
Jesus saying about trinity
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit and teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you; But I am with you always, even to the end of the age.
Last sentence...
And I am with you......
Hmmm Not WE are with you?????
Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christ allow a council of men to come together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seek to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind. 1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men.
@@S.R.M. Exactly. It is a man made, antichrist doctrine that stops people from having a relationship with God THROUGH Jesus ("one mediator between God and man, the *man* Christ Jesus"), which misrepresents God and Jesus and which convinces people that they cannot be like Jesus (because "he's God" 🤦🏻♀️) which is what we're CALLED to be!!
Have you noticed that Trinitarians and Modalists HATE and ignore the first epistle of John??
That's because it challenges and exposes them.
And warns them, especially in 1st John 4:2-3.
Jesus calls Peter "blessed" for declaring his identity.
He also never contradicts John the Baptist, Nathaniel, Martha or anyone else for declaring him as SON OF GOD and MESSIAH ("God's anointed one").
Jesus would never say God indwells him (John 14:10-11) if he actually is God.
It would make no sense.
But that's what Trinitarians imply: that it was all a big pretense, from his birth to his temptations to his death (because Scripture tells us he was CONCEIVED in Mary's womb and it also tells us that God cannot be tempted and cannot die.
So they're either very wrong or Scripture is).
"When Jesus came into the coasts of Cæsarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying
"Who do men say that I, the son of man, am?" And they said: "Some say that you are John the Baptist: some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets".
He asked them:
*But who do you say that I am*
And Simon Peter answered and said:
*You are the Christ, the Son of the living God*
And Jesus answered and said unto him: *Blessed are you* Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood has not revealed it unto you, but my Father who is in heaven"
(Matthew 16:13-17)
SHOCKER: THE APOSTLES NEVER BAPTIZED A SINGLE PERSON UNDER THREE ANYTHING, MATHEW 28;19 SAYS IN THE NAME (SINGULAR) THAT NAME IS JESUS CHRIST, AND THE APOSTLES ALWAYS BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST , ALWAYS AND ONLY, NO SINNERS PRAYER, NO TRINITY WAS EVER MENTIONED JAMES 2;19
GOOGLE "EVERY BAPTIZM IN THE BIBLE, YOU WILL NEVER SEE ANY 3 NAME BAPTIZM, FATHER IS A TITLE, SON IS A TITLE, HOLY GHOST IS A TITLE ISAIAH 9; 6 CALLS JESUS CHRIST, THE SON, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, THE MIGHTY GOD,SINCE THE APOSTLES NEVER TAUGHT THE SINNERS PRAYER TO ANYONE, NEVER BAPTIZED UNDER 3 ANYTHING, NEVER MENTIONED ANY TRINITY, DO THE APOSTLES LOOK LIKE TRINITARIANS TO YOU? ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, ONE GOD AND FATHER OF ALL, WHO IS ABOVE ALL, AND THROUGH ALL, AND IN YOU ALL EPHESIANS 4;3-6
Easiest to explain at the baptism of Our Lord Jesus Christ, where all Three were present❤
Yep and just like at the Transfiguration, God says "This is my SON".
Those who call Jesus "God" are calling God a liar.
God indwelling Jesus (according to Jesus in John 14:10-11) is very different from him being a deity.
In fact, he wouldn't have said God INDWELLS him if he was God because it would have made no sense.
God indwelling us through the Holy Spirit (John 14:16-17, Romans 8:9, 1 Corinthians 3:16 etc) does not make us God!
It's very clearly laid out in the first epistle of John in particular (where there are also warnings) but that letter is hated and ignored by Trinitarians and Modalists.
Woe unto them.
"When Jesus came into the coasts of Cæsarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying
"Who do men say that I, the son of man, am?" And they said: "Some say that you are John the Baptist: some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets".
He asked them:
*But who do you say that I am*
And Simon Peter answered and said:
*You are the Christ, the Son of the living God*
And Jesus answered and said unto him: *Blessed are you* Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood has not revealed it unto you, but my Father who is in heaven"
(Matthew 16:13-17)
Jesus is not God in the flesh? Read John Chapter 1 everybody. The whole chapter. No denying that Jesus is God in the flesh, regardless of what cults say.
100.00 reward: present first the sinners prayer book chapter and verse, now do the same with the trinity. yes the trinity is absurdly catholic. yes, at the council of nicea. it cant be removed from history books. another angle, lets give the sinners prayer a chance first, jesus chose 12 apostles, the were to preach the gospel to all nations jesus told them and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name, beginning at jerusalem luke 24;44, jesus was just risen from the dead, that marks the new testament beginning yet beginning at acts 2;38- the apostles began spreading the gospel. book chapter and verse, when did the apostles preach a set of words to repeat as in the sinners prayer to anyone? according to every trinitarian anything, this shows the apostles ignored jesus, picture this: jesus is screaming ! no peter! why arent you having those people repeat the sinners prayer??? and why did the apostles fail to ever explain something that would be of paramount importance like the trinity? sin is explained everywhere in the bible as is repentance and baptism in jesus name for the remission of sins? why does jesus say he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. but he that believeth not shall be damned? and not he that believeth and repeats the sinners prayer ???
@@johnsonjamison9101 YOU are cults and the entire chapter of 1st John (AND 2nd John, especially verse 7) declares REPEATEDLY the identity of Jesus as son of God and Messiah.
1st John is a letter I have read hundreds of times (definitely more than any Christian I know but since they barely read it, that wouldn't be difficult!).
You need to also pray and THINK because any honest person would admit that this epistle in particular (especially the grave warnings in 1st John 4:2-3 & 2nd John v.7) would look VERY different if Jesus was "God".
God indwelt Jesus (John 14:10-11) and Jesus now sits at the right hand of God (aswe're told repeatedly).
Neither of these facts make sense if Jesus IS God.
I suggest you read your New Testament AD IT'S WRITTEN without interpreting everything according to your doctrine of man and following men like the despot and self-confessed murderer Calvin and the semi-pagan Augustine (whose "De Trinitate" influenced too many carnal men at the time, while the Council of Nicea used carnal manipulation and enforcement).
Jesus is called our brother twice or three times in the NT.
God is father.
I tremble for people like you if you'll have to explain to God one day that you didn't believe "son" really meant son, you didn't believe Jesus was actually BORN, truly died or that God rose him from the dead...
Notes for my study of this video 21:41
The comments on this thread are very ignorant. He answered nearly all of these comments in previous lessons. This is a series. Are you guys a group of jehovahs witnesses or something? The bible is extremely clear Jesus is God. The term trinity is just a term used to describe what the Bible CLEARLY teaches.
Beg to differ, no it doesn't.
Jesus was extremely clear that anyone but the Father is not God. John 17:1-3
Good evening brother John 17:1-3 doesn't say Jesus isn't God. That's not Bible. If you take your time and read the whole book if John you will understand Jesus being God in the flesh. 100% Man and 100% God..
@@dennisjump8655 you are in a crazy cult.
@@saladinsmith9209 amd you like your own comments that what is so funny
This man can teach!
"... can teach" false doctrine -- the trinity/mysterious trinity god of three persons of pagan origin -- a Goliath like doctrine that extends beyond the walls -- from paganism to false Christianity in the world with its 1+1+1=1 mathematical -- an idiotic doctrine and equation which are totally devoid of TRUTH and LIGHT -- a contaminating doctrine that has contaminated all the doctrines of the professing Christians and Christian churches in the world/babylon, confusions/divisions -- destined/prophesied to END -- END OF THE WORLD (Matt. 13:38-40).
Grace and peace! ✌😎✌
God is one person
Job 13:
[7] Will ye speak wickedly for God? and talk deceitfully for him?
[8] Will ye accept his person? will ye contend for God?
[9] Is it good that he should search you out? or as one man mocketh another, do ye so mock him?
[10] He will surely reprove you, if ye do secretly accept persons.
Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christ allow a council of men to come together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seek to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind. 1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men.
Sadly, as scholars and relious leaders debated siritual matters after Jesus & the apostles died they made vain attempts to understand the w inexpainable. They often ere influenced by greek philosophy and worse by roman paganism culminating in a state official church! Just as expected due to Paul's prophecy Acts 20:29,30
There are some 30 + twists on the trinity ,7 of them are in well known churches Which one is the true trinity ? they can't be all be true , they even debate with one another over the matter !!!
I think the best way to put what we have in Scripture-using modem wording-is a single living being, eternally existing as three centers of mind, will, emotions, self awareness, and interpersonal relationships with one another. In other words, just as we finite beings get one body/life force to go with a single one mind, will, set of emotions, self awareness, etc. the infinite God has a single life force/divine nature (essence) but 3 centers of consciousness. Always in harmony of will and action but with distinct personal experiences and roles within the life of the one Being Who is God.
One of the big problems with that understanding is that one of those "centers of mind" died. No part of God dies.
Well, that certainly cleared that up.
Clear as mud as some might say.
Sproul had a different god than Jesus: "Father...this is eternal life, to know you, the only true God..." John 17:4
Sproul had a different god than the Apostle Paul: "As for us, there is one God, the Father..." 1 Cor. 8:6
What god do you worship, or have defined? Are you Oneness? Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christ allow a council of men to come together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seek to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind. 1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men.
@@S.R.M. Amen.
Heh, one little formatting tip (someone said the same to me a while back). If you want/need to give a long answer on a format like this, it is best to make paragraph breaks by holding down "shift" and then "enter". The paragraph breaks make your answer easier to read.
No, I'm not Oneness. I believe like Jesus and Paul that the one true God is the Father, and that Jesus is the Christ, the human Son of God. Blessings.
@@billschlegel1 Thank you for your kind suggestions.
Most Christians believe the doctrine of the Trinity to be biblical, and they cite Matthew 28:18-20 or 1 John 5:7. But is the following the original quote of Christ? “And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, ‘All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” These verses are the modern-day rendition identifying an interpolation, so the question must be asked, “Did Christ speak every word found in these verses?” The first Church Historian Eusebius (quotes Matthew 28:19 as it appeared in the early 4th century, Christ said, “Go and make disciples of all nations in My name” (Matthew 28:19, as it was originally quoted, Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, Penguin Classics, 1965). Note, He never said, “...baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.” Which commandment did the disciples hear? It appears the latter quoted by Eusebius from an original manuscript of the NT, for there is no instance of the disciples ever baptizing anyone “In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost,” according to the New Testament! On baptisms specifically were done in the name of {YAHSHUA}, Martin Luther notes, “The apostles certainly used this formula in baptizing in the name of Christ only, as we read in the Acts of the Apostles,’ citing Acts 2:38; 10:48; and 19:5” (Erik H. Herrmann, Paul W. Robinson, The Annotated Luther, Volume 3: Church and Sacraments. Fortress Press. p. 66, 2016). In a documented sermon, Martin Luther made this astonishing statement, “It is indeed true that the name ‘Trinity’ is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man” (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, 1988, p. 406).
The disciples of Christ in the first two or more centuries did not know of any doctrine of the Trinity. Historically, “There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the trinity-at any rate from him” (H. G. Wells, The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499, 1920). Therefore, without a doubt, The so-called Great Commission, as written is an interpolation: "Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 28:19, the words “...in the name of the Father and of the Son, and the Holy Ghost” were added centuries later). The disciples were to make disciples in His name, and they were baptized in the name of Christ only as the NT gives evidence.
The formula is mentioned in the Didache (7:1-3), and it is mostly accepted as authentic due to its supporting manuscript evidence (Everett Ferguson, Baptism in the Early Church, 2013, pp. 134-5). Nevertheless, some scholars have held the view that the passage in the Didache is an interpolation as it is absent from the first few centuries of early Christian quotations, in which case it is believed it would be part of an apostolic or early Christian oral tradition from which both the received texts of Matthew and the Didache emerged, however, the conclusion is the church only baptized in the name of Christ. The view of the passage as an interpolation was in recent times maintained, and this particular line of opposing arguments by Trinitarians is pure eisegesis, meaning the process of interpreting a text in such a way as to introduce one's presuppositions, agendas, or biases, that artificially supports the Trinitarian formula, and based on interpolated verses added to the New Testament. Catholics and Protestants would agree with Protestant Theologian James White, who writes, “We hang a person’s very salvation upon the acceptance of the doctrine…We must know, understand, and love the Trinity to be fully completely Christian” (The Forgotten Trinity, pp. 14-15). And yet most other scholars know that the Trinity is beyond human understanding, “The mind of man cannot fully understand the mystery of the Trinity. He who has tried to understand the mystery fully will lose his mind, but he who would deny the Trinity will lose his soul” (Harold Lindsell and Charles Woodbridge, A Christian Handbook, pp. 51-52, 1953). Nowhere in the New Testament is believing in the Trinity a prerequisite for one’s salvation. Nowhere in the Bible did the LORD ever reveal Himself as a Trinity, or Triune God. Interpolations exist in the New Testament, which are words added later to prove the Trinity. Matthew 28:19 and 1 John 5:7 are proven interpolations, and therefore not of the original Scriptures. 1 John 5:7 is known as “The Johannine comma,” due to a sequence of extra words in 1 John 5:7-8 which appear in later versions of the Bible, but not in earlier Scriptures. Compare these words below in italics in the KJV and the same verse from the newer ESV.
"For there are three that bear record (witness) in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one" (1 John 5:7-8 KJV).
"For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree" (1 John 5:7-8, ESV).
These extra words are generally absent from the early Greek manuscripts. They only appear in the text in late medieval manuscripts, which were done by Trinitarians to bolster the man-made doctrine of the Trinity. The Trinitarian doctrine only existed since the 4th century! A religion unexamined is not worth having. Besides, most Christians when questioned about the Trinity prove to be Modalists, not Trinitarians (The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). Christians have given examples of the Trinity, and one is the steam, water, and ice, which is not a good example for it only proves modalism. The Trinity is not so much a mystery as it is the doctrine of confusion, and we know that God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33).
My goodness this is briliant teaching on the Trinity
Brilliant teaching? It's all pagan and you are ALL closet Catholics. R.C. Sproul, in his book What is Reformed Theology? “the Reformers *embraced* the doctrines articulated and formulated by the great ecumenical councils of church history, *including the doctrine of the Trinity and of Christ’s person* and work formulated at the councils of Nicea in 325 and Chalcedon in 451.” Ch. 1 pg.28-29
@@JudeOne3Four everyone is Catholic. 🧐
Just Not Roman.
@@P.H.888 I'm not a Catholic but a Biblical Christian. I do not believe in three gods rolled up into one. That comes from the occult. I can show you a christan in the Bible, show me Catholic in the Bible. The reason the seperation is made, is because, Catholics believe in Babylonian mysticism and Biblical Christians don't.
@@P.H.888 Do people know the word Catholic means "Universal" for Church? It is different from the "Roman Catholic Church" of cause. I'm not a Roman Catholic.
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God is never defined in the Bible as one essence in three persons. This is complete theology. John 17: 3, 1 Corinthians 8: 6. Stated perfectly.
Love RC
I struggle to grasp this, but if I could fully grasp the creator who is larger than all the cosmos he gave us to explore, how grand would he really be?
Read the history of Jesus. God sent him for a purpose. Jesus helped humans come to know God.
Jesus in his prayer to his God Jehovah said:
(John 17:3) This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
I traded to defend the doctrine that Jesus was the second person of God... Thankfully God the Father blessed me with his grace and mercy about the truth. God is one person, the Shema!
Please share your thoughts if you are interested in knowing more
blessings, i have gone the same route you have. God is indeed one (not three) and i stand by my comments on this list, about same as you, three months ago.
Jesus is not God, but as the begotten son of God, has been sent as the passover lamb and then raised to right hand of the one God, his God too. He is seated on Gods throne of authority and given power to rule, just like Joseph was under Pharaoh in egypt. A foreshadow of what God was going to do.... and the great sorrow is that 99% of christian believers cant see it so dont really "know their lord"
when did you see through the smokescreen of traditional religion? it took me over 30 years with 20 of them knowing something didnt add up but not knowing where to start figuring it out.
1Cor12:1 started me off, a word (gifts) added by translators and in brackets in old KJV and italics in greek interlinear, because it doesnt exist in the original.
changes meaning of 1cor12. they are manifestations of the one which is a gift, holy spirit within, every believer!
i went searching for other meddling, and found heaps. Heb1:2 is strikingly obvious and a favourite trinity proof by the misinformed trinity believers.
Its such a travesty, and is painful to see the gushing praise for guys like Sproul who perpetrate the lie.
this channel may be accepting trinitarian comments but blocking unitarians.
@NeedGod dot com someone doesnt like my carefully explained answers to your points.
Can you explain your understanding of 1Tim2:5
"there is one God, and one mediator BETWEEN God and man, the MAN Jesus anointed." ?? any explanation as to how Jesus right now is still a man?
Being worshipped as the King and Messiah doesn't mean you're Yahweh Elohim. If you look into the Hebrew for "worship" you see that even Moses worshiped jus father in law, it was not a sign that you thought the person was always Yahweh
@NeedGod dot com thanks for the answer and the info that you too are getting non sticking comments. I spent two hours last night around this time, answered each point carefully and this morning blank.
All those points you made my friend are normal trinity fare, i was one for over 30 years making those same claims in home groups and bible studies and to the non saved.
In 2017 God woke me up over a simple added word in 1cor12.
It made me wonder what else had been added or adulerated by the averaged belief of the translators, so i prayed for wisdom and Gods truth on what i was reading. Over about 6 weeks half a doz of my familiar proif verses, some you mention here, fell off. They have different contextual meaning in their chapter settings, than the proofs of incarnation and deity to make Jesus God.
Jesus did not come down to be a man, he was born a man by Gods direct creative act within Mary, a second Adam as Paul says, a seed of the woman (Gen3:15) and the lamb of God, who through his obedience (unlike the other perfect man who through self centred will grasped at the temptation, equality with God) (see phil2:6)
So how do you from a trinity point of view describe the meaning of 1Tim2:5? At this question others stop commenting.
yes we dont have three gods, We have One God who is omnipresent and reveals Himself in three omnipresent personages and personalities. Creatures of Ezekiel are four face on one body. Its in His image to create as HE is like.
100.00 reward: present first the sinners prayer book chapter and verse, now do the same with the trinity. yes the trinity is absurdly catholic. yes, at the council of nicea. it cant be removed from history books. another angle, lets give the sinners prayer a chance first, jesus chose 12 apostles, the were to preach the gospel to all nations jesus told them and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name, beginning at jerusalem luke 24;44, jesus was just risen from the dead, that marks the new testament beginning yet beginning at acts 2;38- the apostles began spreading the gospel. book chapter and verse, when did the apostles preach a set of words to repeat as in the sinners prayer to anyone? according to every trinitarian anything, this shows the apostles ignored jesus, picture this: jesus is screaming ! no peter! why arent you having those people repeat the sinners prayer??? and why did the apostles fail to ever explain something that would be of paramount importance like the trinity? sin is explained everywhere in the bible as is repentance and baptism in jesus name for the remission of sins? why does jesus say he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. but he that believeth not shall be damned? and not he that believeth and repeats the sinners prayer ???
@@AlfredGallegos-no4pb john 14:15If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. 16And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Advocate to be with you forever- 17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot receive Him, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him.
@@Elvengem philip asked JESUS, LORD, show us the father and it will suffice us, JESUS SAID UNTO HIM, PHILLIP. HAVE I BEEN SO LONG A TIME WITH YOU AND YET HAST THOU NOT KNOWN ME? IF YOU LOVE ME, KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS, HERE IS JESUS AGAIN, HE THAT BELIEVETH AND IS BAPTIZED SHALL BE SAVED, BUT HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT SHALL BE DAMNED MARK 16;16 BAPTIZED HOW? AND FOR WHAT? ACTS 2;38 SAYS IN THE NAME OF JESUS, AND FOR FORGIVENESS OF SINS, IN THE WORDS YOU POSTED JESUS HAD NOT YET BEEN CRUCIFIED AND HAD NOT YET BEEN GLORIFIED, HAD NOT YET BORN OUR SINS THE RISEN AND GONE TO HEAVEN TO HIS RIGHTFULL PLACE, GOD, IS A SPIRIT AND HE CAME DOWN AND TOOK ON FLESH WHEN WE WERE BORN WE TOOK ON FLESH BUT WE DONT LIVE IN 3 SEPERATE PLACES, AND FATHER? THE EVERLASTING FATHER, THE SON, THE MIGHTY GOD, IS JESUS ISAIAH 9;6
Jesus was created as stated in Col.1: 15 -17 "He is the image of the invisible God, the first born of all creation; for in him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, ......all things were created through him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together." Jesus referred to himself as "the beginning of God's creation" Rev. 3:14
David is referred to as a Firstborn Son. Was he the first of Jesse’s sons?
@@christopherallen6036 He won’t answer you lol
@@christopherallen6036 its the same creepo cult wacko with 80 milliom profiles just keep reporting his crazy delusional propaganda lol
@@juboy04 Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christ allow a council of men to come together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seek to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind. 1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men.
@@S.R.M. oh you falsely claim Christ or the apostles never taught the trinity? Jesus claimed he was God and always spoke of the Father and the spirit were God as well . The apostles acknowledged Jesus as God , yet they made a distinction of the Father and Spirit being God as well .
*IS THE TRINITY REASONABLE?*
▪︎ God asked *[the essence of]* Himself and offered *[the essence of]* Himself as sacrifice to *[the essence of]* Himself to go to earth to save mankind Himself.
▪︎ Then He agreed with *[the essence of]* Himself and offered *[the essence of]* Himself as volunteer to do it Himself.
▪︎ Then He impregnated *His mother* with His Holy Spirit (which is also *[the essence of]* Himself) to give birth to *[the essence of]* Himself.
▪︎ While on earth, God prayed to *[the essence of]* Himself (John 17:1) and glorified *[the essence of]* Himself repeatedly.
▪︎ He prayed to *[the essence of]* Himself and offered supplications (Heb. 5:7-8) to *[the essence of]* Himself because he needed to strengthen *[the essence of]* Himself.
▪︎ Finally, God forsook *[the essence of]* Himself (Matt. 27:46) and sacrificed *[the essence of]* Himself to prove His loyalty to *[the essence of]* Himself (Heb. 3:2,6).
▪︎ While dead, He resurrected *[the essence of]* Himself (Acts 2:24), so that He could exalt *[the essence of]* Himself above *[the essence of]* Himself (Acts 2:33).
▪︎ Then He sat at *[the essence of]* His own right hand (Heb. 1:3, Psalm 110:1) and waited for *[the essence of]* Himself to place His enemies as a footstool under *[the essence of]* His own feet (1Cor. 15:25) 👎🏽
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*[Please Show Me These Terms in Scripture]:*
• *"Co-Equal Essence (or Substance) of the Godhead"*
• *God the Son*
• *Holy Trinity*
The only essences are what are found in the store which are used for cakes and other confectionaries.
Trinitarians make up terms because the scriptures are of no help.
Explanation
1- In Isa. 43:10,11 the speaker is : LORD (yhwh).
2- In verse 10, he says "understand that (I am he)".
3- In verse 11, the LORD claims to be the only savior.
4- In John 8:24. below the speaker is Jesus and He also says (I am he). and if you don't believe that, you will die in your sin.
5- In Isa. 48:12 The speaker is the (I am he), and (I am the first, and I am the last).
6- In Isa. 48 16. The one who SENDS is Lord GOD yhwh/adonay.
7- In Isa. 48:17 The speaker which is SENT (LORD God) is yhwh/elohim who also claims to be the Redeemer.
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Isa. 43:10,11.
10 You are my witnesses,” declares the LORD,
“and my servant whom I have chosen,
that you may know and believe me
and understand that (I am he).
Before me no god was formed,
nor shall there be any after me.
11 I, I am the (LORD),
and besides me there is no (savior).
John 8:24
24. 24 I told you that you would die in your sins,
for unless you believe that (I am he) you will die in your sins.”
Isa. 48:12
“Listen to me, O Jacob,
and Israel, whom I called!
(I am he); I am the first,
and I am the last.
Isa. 48:16 Draw near to me, hear this:
from the beginning I have not spoken in secret,
from the time it came to be I have been there.”
And now the Lord GOD has sent me, and his Spirit.
Isa. 48:17
17a Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel:
“I am the LORD your God, ...
BEAUTIFUL BIBLE TRUTH
I have a question for all 'trinitarians'; When John said "We had a view of his Glory ,a Glory belonging to an 'only begotten from a Father" ( John 1:14). So who was this? was it 'God's only begotten Son who had come down from heaven from his Father? Or was it just a materialised human form called 'Jesus'?
Obviously Trinitarians cannot answer that without compromising their belief.
@kiwihans . . . .do you know the difference between exegesis vs eisegesis ? ?
@@theophilus46 You tell me! And then explain what it is supposed to prove.
So, should it be one in essence but three personas?
Thank you. Very clear.
God the Father says...Joel 2:27... I am the LORD your God, and none else...
Actually, it says " I am Jehovah your God, and there is no one else." The title LORD was substituted for the divine name to support the doctrine of the trinity and create confusion.
@@dennisjump8655 So you agree that Jehovah (the father of Jesus) is our God and none else?
@@henrybarrick7205 No obviously not creepo no one who believes is converted by your goofy creepy cult.
You are a lying snake trying to use the bible to disprove the bible
'All the Father has given him will come to me and i will lose none of them'
@@iacoponefurio1915 My point was that Jehovah is the only person that is God (not a trinity of persons). I dont know what you are trying to say
@@iacoponefurio1915 Maybe you would like to explain how someone else is also our God!
at 22 minutes he says the "we don't say that the Son is the Holy Spirit..." etc. BUT actually we do see this in scripture. 2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
He is saying "we don't call Jesus the Spirit just as we don't call the Spirit Jesus." Understand?
Distinguishing the subdistinctions.
Jesus christ is God over All, angels and spirits, Jesus Christ is the living water of life, the tree of life and the bread of life that came down from heaven, and he that feeds on this bread will live for ever, the living water is spirit and live, the flesh counts for nothing, the words Jesus christ have spoken to us are spirit and they are life.
@@marcusvanrensberg6060 He is NOT over His Father tho.
@@pangorbalm8086 Jesus christ is the wisdom/the tree of life, bread of life, the living water of life and is in all things created by him for him. John 8"58 I tell you the truth, before Abraham was born, I am.
Question, did God created man in his image, body, soul spirit (life)as one person, so why are you saying that God is there person, or is the scriptures wrong?
thank you very much. Very helpful.
Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved?
And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity?
Why would Christ allow a council of men come together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seeking to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind.
1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men.
100.00 reward: present first the sinners prayer book chapter and verse, now do the same with the trinity. yes the trinity is absurdly catholic. yes, at the council of nicea. it cant be removed from history books. another angle, lets give the sinners prayer a chance first, jesus chose 12 apostles, the were to preach the gospel to all nations jesus told them and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name, beginning at jerusalem luke 24;44, jesus was just risen from the dead, that marks the new testament beginning yet beginning at acts 2;38- the apostles began spreading the gospel. book chapter and verse, when did the apostles preach a set of words to repeat as in the sinners prayer to anyone? according to every trinitarian anything, this shows the apostles ignored jesus, picture this: jesus is screaming ! no peter! why arent you having those people repeat the sinners prayer??? and why did the apostles fail to ever explain something that would be of paramount importance like the trinity? sin is explained everywhere in the bible as is repentance and baptism in jesus name for the remission of sins? why does jesus say he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. but he that believeth not shall be damned? and not he that believeth and repeats the sinners prayer ???
Mathew 28 , 19 says for when you baptise do so in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit so you see God is Three in One
But did anyone get baptized using the name of the Father, son and holy spirit?
All the baptisms were done in Jesus' name.
Acts 2:38 Peter said to them: “Repent, and let each one of you be baptized IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST for forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the free gift of the holy spirit.
Were the Apostles disobeying Jesus' command? Or did Jesus mean something else?
I wonder why these preachers are very much strained to prove trinity...
Because in the whole Bible God reveals Himself as Only one living God...
God is Spirit...
Some Christians especially preachers accept God as spirit so He can dwell different places at a time but couldn't accept or could not believe His presence as man in this world at the same time when He is spirit...
That's why they are trying to show 3 God but as 1 God...
This Trinity, triune or any tri... Is non believers concept..
He can be anywhere, at anytime, in any form...
john 3;13 jesus christ is the one omnipresent GOD, ISAIAH 9;6 SHOWS HIM AS THE SON AND THE ALMIGHTY GOD, AND THE EVERLASTING FATHER, YES ONE GOD...🤓
What is sad is that 'the early church' Dr Sprout mentions experienced the fulfillment of the prophecies of Paul & Peter in that speculation as to the nature of the Son in relation to the Father caused much conflict and debate. Paul told the 'bishops' at Ephesus "After my going away men will arise & speak twisted things, from amoung YOU yorselves..." ( Acts 20:30). If only they had heeded Paul's Advice! " nothing beyond what is written" ( 1 Cor 4:6 REB) there would have not been an eventual 'trinity' based not on scripture by greek & pagan philosophy! With influence of the pagan roman empire, 'christendom' with its false teachings was born, cheif of which is the 'trinity' 'sunday worship' 'the cross' the immortal soul' 'the host' 'insense & ringing bells''the mitre' 'vestments' 'infant baptism' All pagan!
Wackjob liar in a loony cult
Yiu are spouting gibberish
Get a job and yiur own utube channel you wont have to whine and complain about accurate teaching because yiu cant get any converts to your goofy cult in real life
100.00 reward: present first the sinners prayer book chapter and verse, now do the same with the trinity. yes the trinity is absurdly catholic. yes, at the council of nicea. it cant be removed from history books. another angle, lets give the sinners prayer a chance first, jesus chose 12 apostles, the were to preach the gospel to all nations jesus told them and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name, beginning at jerusalem luke 24;44, jesus was just risen from the dead, that marks the new testament beginning yet beginning at acts 2;38- the apostles began spreading the gospel. book chapter and verse, when did the apostles preach a set of words to repeat as in the sinners prayer to anyone? according to every trinitarian anything, this shows the apostles ignored jesus, picture this: jesus is screaming ! no peter! why arent you having those people repeat the sinners prayer??? and why did the apostles fail to ever explain something that would be of paramount importance like the trinity? sin is explained everywhere in the bible as is repentance and baptism in jesus name for the remission of sins? why does jesus say he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. but he that believeth not shall be damned? and not he that believeth and repeats the sinners prayer ???
Volume is very low, can't hear property.
Did you ever notice while RC was explaining the doctrine of the Trinity he never mentioned what Jesus and the Apostles said about the Trinity why not?
The Trinity is a Man-made doctrine or Commandments of Men who gather themselves together and want to hear what the itchy ears want to hear and turn themselves away from the Truth and believe in Mythology?
All RC talked about were the early Church Fathers of the Roman Catholic Church and Greek concepts of the word Persona?
100.00 reward: present first the sinners prayer book chapter and verse, now do the same with the trinity. yes the trinity is absurdly catholic. yes, at the council of nicea. it cant be removed from history books. another angle, lets give the sinners prayer a chance first, jesus chose 12 apostles, the were to preach the gospel to all nations jesus told them and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name, beginning at jerusalem luke 24;44, jesus was just risen from the dead, that marks the new testament beginning yet beginning at acts 2;38- the apostles began spreading the gospel. book chapter and verse, when did the apostles preach a set of words to repeat as in the sinners prayer to anyone? according to every trinitarian anything, this shows the apostles ignored jesus, picture this: jesus is screaming ! no peter! why arent you having those people repeat the sinners prayer??? and why did the apostles fail to ever explain something that would be of paramount importance like the trinity? sin is explained everywhere in the bible as is repentance and baptism in jesus name for the remission of sins? why does jesus say he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. but he that believeth not shall be damned? and not he that believeth and repeats the sinners prayer ???
To even question "the Trinity" is like lighting a fuse. Someone's bound to explode with anger and accusations like "cult" and "heretic." But being mortal as we are, we don't "get" what it's like to be spirit and are poorly qualified to explain spiritual things. However: in scripture we can we can find plenty of evidence *against* a trinity.
▬ Most New Testament letters begin with greetings such as "Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ." All these greetings *_include both God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ._*
But *_none of them includes the holy spirit._* Not one of them mentions or includes or addresses the holy spirit as a person.
Can we be open-minded enough to consider this as evidence that the apostles - the writers of these letters - did *not* believe the holy spirit was a third person?
▬ John 14:23 shines much-needed light on the topic. Here Jesus explains that both He and the Father would come and dwell in us. *They - the two - would make their "abode" in us:*
⚫ "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him." (John 14:23)
Jesus said He and the Father would dwell in is. Obviously that's two, not three.
⚫ "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." (1 Cor 8:6)
Again, it's two: the Father and the Lord Jesus.
[It's interesting to note the similarity between this verse, and others which show creation of all things was directed (re: "of whom") by the Father . . . and was executed (re: "by whom") -by or through Jesus. Compare to Eph 3:9, Hebrews 1:1,2 and Col 1:16; only the Father and Jesus are in these verses as well.
"And we by him"??? Creation is *still* in process by or through Jesus. Through Jesus sons and daughters for the Fathers eternal family are being created, right now, as they abide in Him.]
The two - the Father and Jesus - function as one. Jesus said:
⚫ "I and my Father are one." (John 10:30) Again, that's two -"I and my Father" . . . no mention of a third person.
"God is a spirit" (John 4:24) and is holy. When we have the holy spirit in us, we have God the Father and Jesus dwelling in us -just as Jesus said in John 14:23: " . . . and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him."
Now notice Romans 8:9: the "Spirit of God" and the "Spirit of Christ" both dwell in us (not some sort of third/other person):
⚫ "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his"
▬ We see God as "us" back in Genesis:
⚫ "And God said, Let *us* make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth." (Gen 1:26)
Who are the "us"? The Father and Jesus, as we saw earlier in 1 Cor 8:6 where creation was directed by the Father and executed by Jesus. Here are additional examples:
⚫ "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" (Hebrews 1:1,2)
⚫ "And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ" (Eph 3:9).
▬ Who are the "us"? It is the Father, and the "Word" who was *with* God from the beginning . . . And *was* God . . . and *was made flesh:* Jesus.
⚫ "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
The same was in the beginning with God.
All things were made by him [just like the "by him" we saw back in 1 Cor 8:6] and without him was not any thing made that was made." (John 1:1-3)
⚫ "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." (John 1:14)
Here's another example of "us" in Genesis:
⚫ "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of *us,* to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:" (Gen 3:22).
▬ Although the Father and Jesus are "one," they seemingly can have separate identity or person:
⚫ "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." (John 17:5)
What about the favorite trinitarian verses?
▬ 1 John 5:7-8 has questionable origin. Look up the "Johannine Comma" ("comma" referring to the phrase in 1 John 5:7,8) to get the detail on that. 1 John 5:7-8 is apparently not found in the majority of early Greek texts, but appears in later Latin texts . . . causing great controversy back in the early 1500s.
▬ Matthew 28:19 is also questionable:
⚫ "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost"
Why is it questionable? Because what the apostles actually *did* was baptize *in Jesus' name only:*
⚫ "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2:38)
⚫ "(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)" (Acts 8:16)
⚫ "And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days." (Acts 10:48)
⚫ "When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus." (Acts 19:5)
⚫ "Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?" (Romans 6:3)
Very helpful. Thanks
Do you have a channel on utube? How can I get in touch with you? I used to be in worldwide church of god. They taught God and Jesus ate eternal and holy spirit was power of God. Seems you do too. Thanks so much for this comment.
100.00 reward: present first the sinners prayer book chapter and verse, now do the same with the trinity. yes the trinity is absurdly catholic. yes, at the council of nicea. it cant be removed from history books. another angle, lets give the sinners prayer a chance first, jesus chose 12 apostles, the were to preach the gospel to all nations jesus told them and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name, beginning at jerusalem luke 24;44, jesus was just risen from the dead, that marks the new testament beginning yet beginning at acts 2;38- the apostles began spreading the gospel. book chapter and verse, when did the apostles preach a set of words to repeat as in the sinners prayer to anyone? according to every trinitarian anything, this shows the apostles ignored jesus, picture this: jesus is screaming ! no peter! why arent you having those people repeat the sinners prayer??? and why did the apostles fail to ever explain something that would be of paramount importance like the trinity? sin is explained everywhere in the bible as is repentance and baptism in jesus name for the remission of sins? why does jesus say he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. but he that believeth not shall be damned? and not he that believeth and repeats the sinners prayer ???
How did the pagans explain the use of the trinity godhead?
Why is there a Second Person in the Divine Trinity?
Why is one of the Persons both God and Man?
There are fundamental information missing.
100.00 reward: present first the sinners prayer book chapter and verse, now do the same with the trinity. yes the trinity is absurdly catholic. yes, at the council of nicea. it cant be removed from history books. another angle, lets give the sinners prayer a chance first, jesus chose 12 apostles, the were to preach the gospel to all nations jesus told them and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name, beginning at jerusalem luke 24;44, jesus was just risen from the dead, that marks the new testament beginning yet beginning at acts 2;38- the apostles began spreading the gospel. book chapter and verse, when did the apostles preach a set of words to repeat as in the sinners prayer to anyone? according to every trinitarian anything, this shows the apostles ignored jesus, picture this: jesus is screaming ! no peter! why arent you having those people repeat the sinners prayer??? and why did the apostles fail to ever explain something that would be of paramount importance like the trinity? sin is explained everywhere in the bible as is repentance and baptism in jesus name for the remission of sins? why does jesus say he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. but he that believeth not shall be damned? and not he that believeth and repeats the sinners prayer ???
The Pope would be proud of this session. This doctrine of the trinity was introduced to the world by the Catholic Church. These people are Catholics and deny it, but they believe the same basic falsehood.
THATS RIGHT BUT WHEN WE POST WE NEED TO ALSO POST ONENESS SCRIPTURE, KEEP POSTNG THE TRUTH
Here is a simple test that will help you to understand the mystery of the Trinity
1) In Exodus 3:15 he was known as ___ ___
2) In John 20:28 Thomas said unto him
My ___ and my ___
3) In 2 Corinthians 13:14 his name is ___ __
4) In1 Chronicles 29:10 Lord God is called __
for ___ and ___
5) In Isaiah 9:6 A child is born is called __ __ NAB Isaiah 9:5
6)In John 10:30 I and my ___ are one
7) In Matthew 6:9, Luke 11:2 Our ___ who
art in heaven Hallowed (Holy) be thy
name Our ___ is a ___ ___
8) In Matthew 28:19 the Father, the Son,
and the Holy Ghost is ___
9) In John 4:24 God is a ___ That would
make Father and Son a ___
10) In Leviticus 11:44 God said ye shall
be ___; for I am ___ that would make
the Father and Son ___ ___
@tomfuschetti202 Two simple verses that irrefutably show there is no 3 person God.
"yet for us there is but one God, the Father," 1 Cor 8:6
When praying to the Father Jesus said:
"This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent." John 17:3
THE APOSTLES HEARD WHAT JESUS SAID CLEARLY IN MATHEW 28;19 FIRST, IT SAYS BATIZING THEM IN THE NAME (SINGULAR) FATHER SON AND HOLY GHOST ARE TITLES OF THE ONE GOD, THATS WHY THE APOSTLES NEVER BAPTIZED IN ANY OTHER WAY EXCEP THE ONE PROPER NAME OF THE ONE GOD, JESUS CHRIST.
One in essence but three in person - still makes no sense.
Newsflash it’s not going to if you’re a human, but when we meet him in the air we will see him as he is
You not understanding the mystery of the trinity is no mystery 😉1 Corinthians 2:14 . See the problem?
@@MOAllDa And you have it all figured out with all comprehension how the three relate/interrelate with each other?
@@davidward5225 I did not say that. Our human natures knows only human things. The Natural. Of the senses. The Holy Spirit will teach the things of god, yea the deep things of god. 1 Corinthians 2:10. You obviously have a desire to know Jesus, that I am almost certain of. If you have this desire then the Holy Spirit is more that willing to teach
@@davidward5225 keep seeking and knocking David. You will find that he has been there all along teaching and guiding into all truth of jesus
Someone please clarify me ., Does trinity means ,three different person and who is very much in unison ?
The trinity is one person, in three different roles.
God, the father. He became flesh as Christ, and became the Holy Spirit/ conforter.after death.
@Unbasied I’ll make it simple for you
Jesus Christ = Flesh of God
Holy Ghost = The spirit of God
The Father = the Soul of God
We are made in his image. We have a body which is the Flesh. Your soul which is thought you have the decisions you make the orders you give your body and how it moves. Your Spirit is your emotions where, moral standard. This makes man three in one. They are not the same but they are one. Your body isn’t your spirit. Your spirit isn’t your body. Your spirit isn’t your soul and your soul isn’t your spirit. Your soul isn’t your flesh your body and your body isn’t your soul. We are three in one. The only difference with the three is that we are born with dead spirits.
Actually all the above explanations do not define the Triune God.
The Trinity is not one person occupying three different roles. Rather three distinct persons who share the same godhead. Not parts of God.
God the Father did not become flesh. Rather God the Son became flesh although He existed before eternally with the Father.
@@joedyms Is what you just said in the bible?
1) The mysterious trinity god of three persons/3 in 1 of pagan origin with its 1+1+1=1 mathematical equation is absolutely unbiblical.
2) The TRUE DOCTRINE is MONOTHEISM/ONE GOD DOCTRINE (John 17:1-3).
3) Please read my COMMENT here for details.
If God is God then He must have the ability to become anything He desires. But in what He has become you can recognize His Divinity by His supernatural feats which only God can perform. For example, Jesus being a man lived without sinning, a feat only attributed to God.
Interesting to see all of the ad hominem attacks on Dr. Sproul in the comments...and the resurgence of the old Arian heresy. I am particularly disturbed by the number of people claiming that Jesus is not God. Simply, if Jesus is not God, how was He able to forgive the sins of the people. Or make the blind see? Or the lame walk? How are you saved by His blood if He was nothing more than a man chosen by God? Moses and David were chosen men of God but their blood cannot save you from hellfire. The only blood which could have overturned the curse of sin and sting of death was that of God. I do not understand how so much error has so strongly planted itself in the minds and hearts of so many of these commenters. I pray for you all.
Acts 4:12 Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is no other name under heaven that HAS BEEN GIVEN AMONG MEN by which we must get saved.”
Who GAVE this man (ie. Jesus) the position of savior?
Question: What did Jesus do that others of God didn't do?
Just something to ponder over and help.
There’s no such thing as a trinity of persons except in the imaginations and doctrines of men. God is one person the Father and God of out Lord Jesus Christ.
Please go and Find out For yourself see where and when This Teaching Came in and from! READ JOHN'S ACCOUNT CHAPTER 17 JESUS OWN WORDS IN 🙏 PRAYER TO HIS FATHER!
The Lord said, "Ask and it shall be given to you." So I asked, and I searched, and I found. Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christ allow a council of men to come together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seek to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind. 1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men.
THE DOCTRINE OF THE TRINITY WAS DECLARED LONG BEFORE THE COUNCIL OF CHALCEDON IN 451
However, Justin Martyr in 150 A.D. declared with great clarity the doctrine of the Trinity was valid. He and the early church fathers wrote that it was Jesus Christ who appeared to Moses in the burning bush.
Even further back than this, the Doctrine of the Trinity was recognized by the great Jewish rabbis. The Jews of the first century believed that Jesus was God. However, most Jews in later centuries rejected that claim. But in a book called the Zohar written by Rabbi Simon Ben Jochai and his son, the doctrine of the original sin and the incarnation of Christ is expounded.
The Doctrine of the Trinity is also explicitly stated in Genesis 1:1 which says, "In the beginning God (Elohim) created the heavens and the earth." In this passage "Elohim" literally means "Gods." with "im" indicating masculine plural in Hebrew. But this plural noun is treated like a singular noun because it takes a singular verb. That verb is "bara" which means created out of nothing. The plural "Elohim" has always been taken by the great rabbis of the first century to include God the Father; God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. All three persons are one. As a matter of fact the word "Trinity" comes from the Latin word "trinitas" or "trinitus" which means three in one!!!
There are also several scriptural passages that make it clear that Jesus is not subordinate to the Father but co-eternal and co-equal and one with the Father. In John 1:1, it states that, "In the beginning was the word (logos) and the word was with God, and the Word was God." Later on in verse 14, it states that "And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us..." This Word (logos) was Jesus.
In Philippians 2:6, it say of Jesus: " Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God." Further on in verse 7, Paul states that "He made Himself of no reputation, and took upon Him the form of a servant, and made in the likeness of men." God then took on human flesh and was incarnated as Jesus.
In scripture, the disciple Philip asked Jesus in John 14:8, 9 to show him God. Jesus replied to him that, "he that has seen me has seen the Father."
Finally, there is indisputable evidence for the Trinity in 1John 5: 7 which reads:"for there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (logos) and the Holy Spirit, these three are one." In verse 14, the word (Jesus)
became one.
Empirical evidence for the Trinity was given to the authoress Dr. Petti Wagner, who in her book "Murdered Heiress" literally describes the Trinity when God spoke to her as a ball of light and said let me show you who we are. He then
split into three separate orbs which formed a triangle. God was the top sphere of light; Jesus was on his right and the Holy spirit was on his left. Al three spheres spoke as one. Each member of the Trinity was identifiable by his
distinctive voice.
Another book, "Heaven - Third Encounters of a God Kind" by Jesse Duplantis, describes the authors visit to the throne room where he saw God. He could not look Him in the face because no man can look at God and literally live. However, he realized that Jesus came out of God to speak to the people in the throneroom. He noticed that Jesus was the only person that was able to look at God and live. 41, 814
100.00 reward: present first the sinners prayer book chapter and verse, now do the same with the trinity. yes the trinity is absurdly catholic. yes, at the council of nicea. it cant be removed from history books. another angle, lets give the sinners prayer a chance first, jesus chose 12 apostles, the were to preach the gospel to all nations jesus told them and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name, beginning at jerusalem luke 24;44, jesus was just risen from the dead, that marks the new testament beginning yet beginning at acts 2;38- the apostles began spreading the gospel. book chapter and verse, when did the apostles preach a set of words to repeat as in the sinners prayer to anyone? according to every trinitarian anything, this shows the apostles ignored jesus, picture this: jesus is screaming ! no peter! why arent you having those people repeat the sinners prayer??? and why did the apostles fail to ever explain something that would be of paramount importance like the trinity? sin is explained everywhere in the bible as is repentance and baptism in jesus name for the remission of sins? why does jesus say he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. but he that believeth not shall be damned? and not he that believeth and repeats the sinners prayer ???
Brillant.
"1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."
FATHER - is the NAME of the relationship to the SON (John 17:1-3).
WORD - is the COMMAND of GOD that created LIFE, the universe, and everything (Ps. 148:5, Isa. 45:12, Heb. 11:3, Gen. 1 with verses beginning with the words/command "And God said ...." -- John 1:1.
HOLY GHOST/HOLY SPIRIT - is the LIFE/COMPOSITION/NATURE OF EXISTENCE of the ONLY TRUE GOD/FATHER (Matt. 1:18, John 4:24).
HEAVEN - is GOD'S THRONE and ABODE (Ps. 11:4, Matt. 5:34).
RECORD IN HEAVEN - WORDS of GOD/FATHER brought on earth by the LORD JESUS CHRIST/SON (John 3:34, 7:16, 8:14-28, 12:30, 17:7-8).
1) There are no three persons/trinity/3 in 1 in the referred verse, 1 John 5:7 of the KJV. The ONLY TRUE GOD/FATHER is there, and none other.
2) The verse 1 JOHN 5:7 of the KJV is rejected in almost all Bible translations popularly used by the people in the world.
2) The rejection of the verse 1JOHN 5:7 of the KJV in bibles or bible translations is tantamount to the rejection of the ONLY TRUE GOD/FATHER/HOLY GHOST/SPIRIT, HIS THRONE, and HIS RECORD/COMMAND from the said bible or bible translations.
3) Therefore, bibles or bible translations which don't contain the exact WORDS written in the verse 1JOHN 5:7 of the KJV are incomplete, inconsistent, unreliable, devil infiltrated, and junks.
4) And any misappropriate use and interpretations of the most PRECIOUS and SACRED NAMES written therein can lead to the commission of the unpardonable sin -- BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST (Matt. 12:31-32) -- the mysterious trinity god of three persons in reference to the verse 1 JOHN 5:7 is blasphemous.
5) BE WARNED!
You have some very serious presuppositions in your statements. JKVOnly allows for false names, like Jehovah, and a misnomer for where it says Easter, it was used to replace the word Passover. God did not allow this, but man did. JKV is a version of an original by the interpretation of men. Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christ allow a council of men to come together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seek to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind. 1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men.
@@S.R.M.
1) The trinity/mysterious trinity god of three persons of pagan origin is a contaminating doctrine that has contaminated all the doctrines of the professing Christians and Christian churches in the world. So the trinity is not the only false doctrine adhered to and believed in by Christians..
2) The LORD JESUS CHRIST/SON OF GOD revealed the existence of false Christs/many (Matt. 24:24) and so the existence of false Christianity with the false Christs as their Christs and false gods as their gods and the most supreme of them is the idiot god of this world that blinded the world (2Cor. 4:4) and also referred to as the "prince of the power in the air (Eph. 2:1-3)" -- he and his hosts of evil spirits in the air are doing wonders in the air that further deceived the gullible people in the world.
3) To know and recognize the false gods and false Christs, the ONLY TRUE GOD and the TRUE JESUS CHRIST must be RECOGNISED FIRST:
The ONLY TRUE GOD/FATHER (John 17:1-3)/HOLY GHOST (Matt. 1:18)/SPIRIT (John 4:24)
AND
the TRUE JESUS CHRIST/SON OF GOD (Matt. 1:18, Mark 1:1, John 10:36, 17:1-3)/MAN (John 8:40)/FLESH AND BONES (Luke 24:39)
ARE
TWO EXISTING BEINGS of DIFFERENT NATURES of EXISTENCE.
LOGIC 1:
The FATHER is the ONLY TRUE GOD; therefore, the SON/JESUS CHRIST IS NOT GOD; otherwise, he's a false god/god the son, god the Word, mighty god, creator god, father god, man god/false gods/Christs (Matt. 24:24).
LOGIC 2:
PREMISES: GOD is a SPIRIT (John 4:24);
A spirit has no flesh and bones (Luke 24:39);
JESUS CHRIST has flesh and bones (Luke 24:39).
CONCLUSION: Therefore, JESUS CHRIST IS NOT GOD.
4) Any false recognition to the ONLY TRUE GOD/FATHER is a false god (2Cor. 4:4) and any false recognition to the TRUE JESUS CHRIST/SON OF GOD is a false Christ (Matt. 24:24):
A) Roman Catholic Church and various protestant churches -- trinity/mysterious trinity god of three persons (1+1+1=1 god).
B) Jehovah's Witness:
Father -- Almighty God
Son/Jesus Christ -- mighty god/false Christ (1+1=2 God/god.
C) Unitarian and oneness -- the Father is the Son; the son is the Father (1+1=1 god).
D) MORMON -- the Father is God; the Son is God -- the Godhead (1+1=1 godhead).
E) INC/Iglesia Ni Cristo:
God/Father -- Spirit
Holy Spirit - power of God
Jesus Christ -- Word/man; hence, god the Word.
F) Etc.
5) Based on my research, no Christian church adhered to the TRUE DOCTRINE: MONOTHEISM/ONE GOD DOCTRINE (Ex. 20:3, John 17:1-3) -- the FULFILMENT of the PROPHECY in AMOS 8:11:
"Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor thirst for water, but of hearing of the words of the LORD."
CAUSE OF FAMINE:
"John 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you,
15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore, the world hateth you.
15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
15;21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.
16:1 THESE things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended.
16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues; yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.
16:3 And all these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me."
The annihilation of the BEARERS OF LIGHT happened during the reign of the RoMAN emperor Constantine of the RoMAN empire in conivance with the RoMAN Catholic Church/RCC.
5) There has been a FAMINE of HEARING of the WORDS of the LORD in the land/world for over a thousand years from the ancient/dark ages to the the present and it'd remain in the world until the END -- END OF THE WORLD IN HELL FIRE (Matt. 13:38-40).
The SAVED/ELECT (Matt. 24:22) -- MUST ABIDE TO THIS COMMAND:
"Rev. 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."
"her:"
Rev. 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet colored beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
17:4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH,
17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: ...."
@@S.R.M.
JEHOVAH JEALOUS - is the IDENTICAL NAME of the ONLY TRUE GOD/FATHER (Ex. 6:3, 34:14, Ps. 83:18, Isa. 12:2, 26:4).
JESUS CHRIST -- is the IDENTICAL NAME OF THE SON OF GOD (Luke 1:30-31, 2:11).
What is RELEVANT in the above NAMES is the TRUTH related to the said NAMES which are WRITTEN in the HOLY BIBLE/KJV ONLY.
God is not a person or a personality. God is a Spirit. God is not a man numbers 23:19 you need to stop putting God in your false doctrine box. After listening to this man I am wondering what scripture supports all of what he said; all I get from this is I need to take an English, Greek and philosophy class
I wonder why he is regarded in such high esteem, rediculous.
That's all I got from it as well. Instead of a bible study all we got was a philosophy and language class.
100.00 reward: present first the sinners prayer book chapter and verse, now do the same with the trinity. yes the trinity is absurdly catholic. yes, at the council of nicea. it cant be removed from history books. another angle, lets give the sinners prayer a chance first, jesus chose 12 apostles, the were to preach the gospel to all nations jesus told them and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name, beginning at jerusalem luke 24;44, jesus was just risen from the dead, that marks the new testament beginning yet beginning at acts 2;38- the apostles began spreading the gospel. book chapter and verse, when did the apostles preach a set of words to repeat as in the sinners prayer to anyone? according to every trinitarian anything, this shows the apostles ignored jesus, picture this: jesus is screaming ! no peter! why arent you having those people repeat the sinners prayer??? and why did the apostles fail to ever explain something that would be of paramount importance like the trinity? sin is explained everywhere in the bible as is repentance and baptism in jesus name for the remission of sins? why does jesus say he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. but he that believeth not shall be damned? and not he that believeth and repeats the sinners prayer ???
Cool.
God had the bible written for ordinary common people to understand. Not just people with higher education or theologians. Granted the scriptures have some challenges to understand. But I don't think such a basic subject like the Most High's identity would be one them. I think that if God exists within a trinity, he would have that plainly presented in the scriptures so that the common people who it was written for would clearly see it . There are many scriptural reasons I can give to show why I believe the trinity concept is not a biblical teaching. But my comment would be far to long. So I will give just one. John 17:3 There Jesus address the Father as the only true God. There is not even a hint of some triune nature of God in his prayer. Why is that????? Who would know better than Jesus what is the nature of God? And if some believe he was including himself in his prayer to the Father as the only true God, then why didn't he mentioned the holy spirit???? And to all bible readers out there, have you noticed that Jesus prayed many times and they are recorded in the scriptures. But did you noticed that not once did he ever prayed to the holy spirit, but only the Father???? Why is that??? Marinate on that for a while.
Is the Spirit of God the Father different from the Holy Spirit ?
No sir!
@@list3723 Why a separate " Person" for God the Father and another for the Holy Spirit ? It will result in absurdity of God the Father having no Holy Spirit contradicting the Holy Bible : " Do not cast me from Your Presence or take YOUR Holy Spirit from me. " - Psalm 51:11 NIV
@Melchor Accibal
I don't get it when people say it's separate.
"John 4:24 God is a Spirit, ..."
1) Specifically speaking the SPIRIT of the ONLY TRUE GOD is HOLY.
2) The word "HOLY" is an adjective or modifier that describes the kind of SPIRIT the ONLY TRUE GOD/FATHER has.
3) Therefore, the ONLY TRUE GOD/FATHER is a HOLY SPIRIT or HOLY GHOST (Matt 1:18, John 4:24) -- the FATHER and GOD of the LORD JESUS CHRIST/SON/MAN (John 20:17, 1 Peter 1:3).
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The HOLY GHOST/SPIRIT (Matt. 1:18, John 4:24) is the LIFE/COMPOSITION/NATURE of EXISTENCE of the ONLY TRUE GOD/FATHER (John 17:1-3) -- the GOD and FATHER of the LORD JESUS CHRIST/SON/MAN (John 20:17, 1 Peter 1:3).
MATTHEW 7
24 THEREFORE WHOSOEVER HEARETH THESE SAYINGS OF MINE, AND DOETH THEM, I WILL LIKEN HIM UNTO
A WISE MAN, WHICH BUILT HIS HOUSE UPON A ROCK:
25 AND THE RAIN
DESCENDED, AND THE FLOODS CAME, AND THE WINDS BLEW, AND BEAT UPON THAT HOUSE;
AND IT FELL NOT: FOR IT WAS FOUNDED UPON A ROCK.
26 AND EVERY ONE THAT
HEARETH THESE SAYINGS OF MINE, AND DOETH THEM NOT, SHALL BE LIKENED UNTO AFOOLISH MAN, WHICH BUILT HIS HOUSE UPON THE SAND:
27 AND THE RAIN
DESCENDED, AND THE FLOODS CAME, AND THE WINDS BLEW, AND BEAT UPON THAT HOUSE;
AND IT FELL: AND GREAT WAS THE FALL OF IT.
YOU'VE GOT IT > JESUS IS THE ROCK AND THE TRINITY IS THE FOUNDATION OF SAND.
Wow, I never heard that before, "...the Trinity is the foundation of sand." Isn't sand a kind of dirt. What can we make of the Trinity? Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christ allow a council of men to come together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seek to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind. 1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men.
*[References]*
• *The New Encyclopædia Britannica* says: “Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jesus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: *‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord [Yahweh] our God is one Lord.’* (Deut. 6:4) -(1976), Micropædia, Vol. X, p. 126.
• *Dictionary of the Bible,* John L. McKenzie, S.J says: “The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of ‘person’ and ‘nature’ which are Greek philosophical terms; actually the terms do not appear in the Bible. The trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these *terms and others such as ‘essence’ and ‘substance’* were erroneously applied to God by some theologians.”-(New York, 1965), p. 899.
• *Catholic New American Bible* admits regarding *John 14:17:* “The Greek word for ‘Spirit’ is neuter, and while we use personal pronouns in English (‘he,’ ‘his,’ ‘him’), ...Ancient Greek MSS [manuscripts] employ *["it.”]*
*Most Trinitarian translators hide this fact.*
• *The New Catholic Encyclopedia* admits: “The majority of New Testament texts reveal God’s spirit as *something, not someone;* this is especially seen in the parallelism between the spirit and the power of God.” (1967, Vol. XIII, p. 575)
One of my biggest objections to this doctrine, not even mentioned in the bible, is the serious dichotomy that presents itself regarding the nature of Christ while on earth. IF he is the '2nd person of the trintiy' then as such he coulnt have literally 'died for our sins', only a 'human nature' while his 'divine nature would be intact in heavan'! Does that really make any sense sinc, his last prayer at John 17 read "Father, glorify me with the glory I HAD alongside you, before the world was". This shows that the glorious Son of God 'emptied himself' ( Phil 2) and BECAME flesh ( John 1). Yes the whole 'only begotten Son' came dowen to earth lived here for 33 years, died and was raised 3 days later! This is the one and only Christain faith, denied if you believe in the 'trinity'. It negates God's genuine LOVE for us that He gave us his dear Son. This was no trick, no device. It actually happened! and the bibl proves it! John in his old age drew a line between true and false believers, he said "Every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God". ( 1 John 4:3). This mirrors what John said when he spoke of the 'word' in John chapter one, verse `And the Logos BECAME flesh" ( The emphatic Diaglott, MSS V1209 ) literal greek, not the 'put on' but the become something. Hence John tells us simply the heavanly 'Word', God's son BECAME a man. On earth, this WAS God's only begotten Son, who prayed to'TThe Father in Heavan' to help him, e.t.c. These facts alone prove the trinity a false and blasphemous 3rd century teaching that complete;lly negates The Father's great love for us by sending Hids own dear Son ( all of him, not just a miraculous form of a man) down to this unappreciative earth to die for us! How wonderful!
Creepshow cult member no 1 cares about you except the 1 you already rejected your only savior and u r lost
summed up in john 3;13 you are correct keep posting
R.C. starts about by reading Hebrews 1:1. In that verse, "God" does not mean a Trinity. Actually the word "God" occurs some 1315 times in the New Testament. Not once in the Bible does the word "God" mean the Trinity. In the Bible, God is the Father.
Who is the "Majesty on High" of Hebrews 1:3 that R.C. read? It's not the Trinity.
Read John 3:16 and decide who "God" is. Not the Trinity.
In the Bible, "God" is never the Trinity.
Who is the Alpha and the Omega in Rev1:8? Who is the Alpha and the Omega in Rev21:5-8? And again who claims this title in Rev22:8-16?
@@Solomonsaysno The Aleph and Tav in The Hebrew and all over The Scriptures!
Gen 1v1 in The beginning Elohim Aleph Tav created The Heavens and The earth
You are assuming that God is Unitarian and reading your doctrine into the Text. Unitarians/Oneness folks always refer to the number of times something is said, that proves nothing. But if Jesus calls Himself “I Am” states He has seen the Father, came from heaven, had glory with the Father before the world was, accepts worship, bleeds and is flesh and bone and not a spirit as He states the Father is, doesn’t rebuke Thomas for calling Him “God”, is loved by the Father, sent by the Father and goes back to the Father. Micah 5:2 and Zechariah 12:10 note Yahweh is the speaker there. Isa61:1. If Jesus was resurrected bodily, ascended bodily and is seen by the Holy Spirit filled Stephen standing at the right hand of God and will return the same way He ascended then what happens to the Holy Spirit who has sealed Believers? Will He break His seal and promise and turn back into bodily form? No Christ is currently in heaven seated at the right hand of the Father, bodily(Col2:9). See Rev chp5; Malachi3:1, Gen19:24, Judges chp13...Col2:9 katoikei..Strong’s #2730=dwells, lives, inhabits permanently thus Jesus the second person of the Trinity assumed humanity, and is forever the God-man
Thank you, Christians need to start studying instead of having everything spoon fed to them. I've been studying on the trinity for a while now and can I just say that there is a genuine need for thorough comprehensive study of the fundamental Bible truths we hold. People rely so much on the Pope, pastors, prophets and others to teach them the Bible, that they are prone to putting the pastor's word above the Lord's. We need to study the Bible ourselves through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. We have to allow God to speak for Himself.
This is what God has opened my eyes to, now I see why sometimes Athiests and Agnostics and people of other faith think Christians are brainwashed, because we rather rely on pastors and church leaders to teach us about God other than having a relationship with God, studying His word, and questioning the doctrines that we are taught. The Lord laid it on my heart to tell you this. To tell anyone that would listen this. The doctrine of the trinity is false. I've studied the history of the trinity, tracing from Athanasius to Constantine and thanks to the Holy Spirit, I've left that belief. I believe in Jesus Christ, He is the Father incarnated. The Father, Son, and HS are not sperate "persons" but one person who has revealed Himself in more ways than one.
It's important to know, especially when telling others about our faith, the truth about out beliefs. The Trinity has always been a hot topic in the church for centuries after Jesus ascended. It's nothing new. This is a brief summary of the history concerning this doctrine. But centuries ago, in the late 200s and early 300s, the leaders of the Christians church were trying to figure out what the NT books meant when they talked about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Because we have to note that the NT books were compiled around the 3 or 4 century. And this caused confusion
The church leaders had no idea the relationship between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. So out of confusion they began coming up with theories, marking out their positions, kicking each other out of the church, and breaking up (this is one of the things that caused the East and West schism which was the break of communion between the Catholic church and other churches)
and they told everyone who didn't believe in their doctrine that they would go to hell. The topic of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit was one of, if not the biggest topic among Christian leaders in the year 325. The Roman Emperor Constantine who is sometimes seen as "the first Christian" emperor when in reality the guy was a pagan and saw religion as a way to expand and unite his empire. So Constantine along with some of the church bishops held a council in the town called Nicaea, and these bishops came up with the first version of the statement of faith that attempted to define the relationship between the Son and the Father. The statement they drafted is called the Nicene Creed which is what the vast majority of Christians and Christian churches have accepted as essential doctrine. And yet this is where the church got off track why? because although the Nicene creed does not contain the words "trinity" or "persons" (neither does the Bible by the way), what it DID say about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit set the church on a course towards the doctrine of the Trinity of persons. One or 2 centuries later, the Athanasian creed, another statement of faith which was composed and assembled by St Athanasius, greatly expanded on the Nicene creed and DID include the words "trinity" and persons. This introduced contradiction, confusion, and polytheism into the church even though no one wants to admit it.
(notice how none of them, not the church fathers, not Tertullian, or even St. Athanasius called upon the Lord, like the people in the Bible did. Whenever the children of the Lord wanted to know about God they called to Him and He answered. But in this situation, no one did that. None of them claim to even be inspired by God. All of this confusion was created by men trying to figure God out without the Spirit of God. God is not the author of confusion, but we get ourselves confused when we don't consult God about anything.
Godhead is in the bible
The (trinity) is not only a vain, perverse, idle, corrupt, filthy word of confusion not found in the holy scriptures, it is a doctrine of devils and damnable heresy.
These 3 names are the names of the Holy One: Jesus the Almighty everlasting Father:
1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Matthew 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Acts 19:5
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Isaiah 45:
[21] Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
[22] Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
[23] I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Philippians 2:10
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Ephesians 4:6
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Job 13:
[8] Will ye accept his person? will ye contend for God?
[9] Is it good that he should search you out? or as one man mocketh another, do ye so mock him?
[10] He will surely reprove you, if ye do secretly accept persons.
John 14:
[8] Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
[9] Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
John 4:22
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
1 John 2:23
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
John 8:
[24] I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
[25] Then said they unto him,
Who art thou?
And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning. [26] I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
[27] They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.
John 20:
[28] And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
[29] Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Revelation 1:
[7] Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
[8] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
I’m not sure if I misread your comment but it seems every verse you mentioned AFFIRMS the trinity…?
I struggle with the docrine of the trinity. I understand this explanation and am on board, but what is never explained is the obvious hierarchical existence between the three. For instance, I do the will of my Father who sent me. Additionally Jesus is referred to as a servant of God. Why is it a stretch to say God the Father has given his essence to the son and spirit. Would he not have the power to do so? The philosophical juggling needed to follow all of this seems reaching, though i freely admit my mind cannot comprehend the actual awesomeness of God. I want to understand this but have not found an explanation i can follow. Is all of this to say God is an essence, not an actual being but a state of being, that is to whom i am praying? Jesus taught to pray to the Father, he prayed to the Father through the spirit. I could use some help here.
@johnkrause8247 The "philosophical juggling" is necessary in order to explain a doctrine that is not found anywhere in scripture.
The thing is that trinitarians and non trinitarian both believe there is one God. The trinitarian God is a 3 person God whereas the Bible only teaches a one person God.
What "philosophical juggling" (love that) is needed to understand that every single time the term "one God" is used in scripture it is always the Father.
Or what Paul wrote at 1 Cor 8:6 "yet for us there is but one God, the Father, " Simple clear statement.
@TheCaledonianBoy 4 months later, I have studied myself out of NT. At its core, it is in complete violation of the Hebrew scriptures.
@@johnkrause8247 Could you explain that a bit more please.
@TheCaledonianBoy We could just examine inconsistencies and contradictions within the NT. That's where my issues began.
But when I look at core teachings in Tenach, they do not agree with NT theology. So, the contradictions between those two I find to be far more damning for NT. Please choose a topic, and I will elaborate.
1. Original Sin
2. Satan / free will
3. Atonement of sin
There is plenty more, but in my opinion, if Christianity is wrong in these core areas, the rest is meaningless.
@@johnkrause8247 I would be interested in No. 1 Original sin. Thanks
How to understand Trinity?For more details, please watch the sermon of the Light of Wisdom Church, welcome everyone to study and discuss together. Video “The Trinity ｜God from God, Light from Light｜Reincarnation | I Am the way, the truth and the life 08”
If you think it makes sense, we must not only believe it ourselves, but also spread it to more people. Evangelism is not only the job of pastors, but also the responsibility of every believer. This is also the aspect that the Lord values most when ascending to the kingdom of heaven.
100.00 reward: present first the sinners prayer book chapter and verse, now do the same with the trinity. yes the trinity is absurdly catholic. yes, at the council of nicea. it cant be removed from history books. another angle, lets give the sinners prayer a chance first, jesus chose 12 apostles, the were to preach the gospel to all nations jesus told them and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name, beginning at jerusalem luke 24;44, jesus was just risen from the dead, that marks the new testament beginning yet beginning at acts 2;38- the apostles began spreading the gospel. book chapter and verse, when did the apostles preach a set of words to repeat as in the sinners prayer to anyone? according to every trinitarian anything, this shows the apostles ignored jesus, picture this: jesus is screaming ! no peter! why arent you having those people repeat the sinners prayer??? and why did the apostles fail to ever explain something that would be of paramount importance like the trinity? sin is explained everywhere in the bible as is repentance and baptism in jesus name for the remission of sins? why does jesus say he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. but he that believeth not shall be damned? and not he that believeth and repeats the sinners prayer ???
A very simple question that every Christian needs to answer in order to believe in the Trinity, away from talking about the reality of the distortion of the Old and New Testaments and away from the contradictions in Christianity and away from talking about the Qur’an, away from all this. A much simpler question..
A Christian believes in the Old Testament and the New Testament, and believes in Adam, Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Joshua, Isaiah, Daniel, Samuel, Zechariah and other prophets of the Old Testament, and believes in Christ and John the Baptist, and the Jew believes in all of them except Christ and believes in the Old Testament, and we Muslims believe in all of them and in Christ and in Muhammad, and we believe in the original Torah and the original Gospel, which do not exist now on the planet, with the consensus of all scholars of the holy books, a scientific fact, even if most pastors deny it in public sermons, but forget about us, and forget about the loss of the original holy books now. Let's only consider the Jewish belief ......
Regardless of the Jews' belief in Christ, my question is, why do Jews and all the believers mentioned in the Old Testament before them not believe in the Trinity, even though the Christian faith is supposed to be an extension of theirs?
The Qur'an says clearly,
“Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was a Hanif Muslim, and he was not an idolater.”
"Or do you say that Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Do you know better or God? And who is more unjust than he who conceals a testimony he has from God?"
"Say, 'We believe in God and what was revealed to us, and what was revealed to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and what was given to Moses and Jesus, and what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we submit.' "
My question again, why are the Jews and the believers before them according to the Old Testament itself and according to their conditions at the time of Christ, the time of the early Church, the time of Muhammad’s mission, and even today, why do they not believe in the Trinity????
Note: It is clear that I do not need the answer, so do not bother arguing with me, you are the one who needs it for your faith. Think, ask and answer yourself and get rid of the completely empty argument, you will be held accountable alone in the end and no one will be held accountable with you.
I do not want to argue with you. I too have the question, "Why do they not believe in the Trinity?" There are Christians who do not believe in the Trinity. They should ask themselves: Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christ allow a council of men to come together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seek to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind. 1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men.
@@S.R.M. Thank you for your valuable comment 🙂
I have nothing more to say, you have already said everything.
I just want to invite you to read the Qur'an, and start by Jesus, Mary and God in the Qur'an. I believe you would enjoy it and may benefit a lot.
God bless 🙂
@@MShreefUK I will be in the UK this December. I have read the Qur'an. I have a degree in Philosophy and Religion from University. May the peace of God be upon you.
The concept of the Trinity is found throughout both the Old and New Testaments.
To deny the diety of our Lord Jesus Christ is to deny whom He truly is
THE APOSTLES HEARD WHAT JESUS SAID CLEARLY IN MATHEW 28;19 FIRST, IT SAYS BATIZING THEM IN THE NAME (SINGULAR) FATHER SON AND HOLY GHOST ARE TITLES OF THE ONE GOD, THATS WHY THE APOSTLES NEVER BAPTIZED IN ANY OTHER WAY EXCEP THE ONE PROPER NAME OF THE ONE GOD, JESUS CHRIST.
100.00 reward: present first the sinners prayer book chapter and verse, now do the same with the trinity. yes the trinity is absurdly catholic. yes, at the council of nicea. it cant be removed from history books. another angle, lets give the sinners prayer a chance first, jesus chose 12 apostles, the were to preach the gospel to all nations jesus told them and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name, beginning at jerusalem luke 24;44, jesus was just risen from the dead, that marks the new testament beginning yet beginning at acts 2;38- the apostles began spreading the gospel. book chapter and verse, when did the apostles preach a set of words to repeat as in the sinners prayer to anyone? according to every trinitarian anything, this shows the apostles ignored jesus, picture this: jesus is screaming ! no peter! why arent you having those people repeat the sinners prayer??? and why did the apostles fail to ever explain something that would be of paramount importance like the trinity? sin is explained everywhere in the bible as is repentance and baptism in jesus name for the remission of sins? why does jesus say he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. but he that believeth not shall be damned? and not he that believeth and repeats the sinners prayer ???
@AlfredGallegos-no4pb
1. The sinners prayer is a guideline... the words don't save you... your faith does.
Let's sum it up....I admit I am a sinner....I confess faith in Christ....I repent of my rebellion and surrender myself to Christ as Lord and Savior....
That is the sinners' prayer in a brief synopsis.
Yes, the sinners prayer is scriptural...
I said it when I came to Christ.....God sees the heart, not you.
@AlfredGallegos-no4pb
2. The Trinity
Speaking of Jesus, the writer under the power of the Holy Spirit states:
"You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands"
Hebrews 1:10
"In the beginning was the Word (Jesus) and the Word (Jesus) was with God and the Word (Jesus) WAS God."
John 1:1
God speaking through the prophet states: " and I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy so that WHEN THEY LOOK ON ME, ON HIM WHOM THEY HAVE PIERCED, they shall mourn for Him"
Zechariah 12:10
Jesus was pierced in the head
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@AlfredGallegos-no4pb
3.Salvation
Salvation is given by Grace through Faith
One is saved at true belief...immediately.
"For this is the will of my Father, that EVERYONE WHO LOOKS ON THE SON AND BELIEVES IN HIM SHOULD HAVE ETERNAL LIFE, AND I WILL RAISE HIM UP ON THE LAST DAY."
John 6:40
"Truly truly I say to you WHOEVER BELIEVES HAS ETERNAL LIFE".
JOHN 6:47
"For all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God, AND ARE JUSTIFIED BY HIS GRACE AS A GIFT, THROUGH THE REDEMPTION THAT IS IN CHRIST JESUS"
ROMANS 3:22-24
in the bible the holy the power of God to do his will. ex. jesus said, if I used the spirit of God to cast out demons then the kingdom of God has over taken you. based on this inderstanding the Holy spirit is not a member of the Trinity.
Jesus christ send the holy spirit as a gift to the believers to help them to reveal Jesus christ to the world boldly as witnesses of the gospel of Jesus christ, there is no three persons in God, God is in all things he created all things for him by him.
Read your statement, and yet that does not prove the Trinity. Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christ allow a council of men to come together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seek to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind. 1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men.
@@S.R.M. I agree with you, there is but one God and savior and His name is Jesus Christ, revealed to the world by the angel of God, Gabriel and His word in the scriptures.
@@marcusvanrensberg6060 I appreciate that, but did you read what I wrote? Most Christians believe the doctrine of the Trinity to be biblical, and they cite Matthew 28:18-20 or 1 John 5:7. But is the following the original quote of Christ? “And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, ‘All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” These verses are the modern-day rendition identifying an interpolation, so the question must be asked, “Did Christ speak every word found in these verses?” The first Church Historian Eusebius (quotes Matthew 28:19 as it appeared in the early 4th century, Christ said, “Go and make disciples of all nations in My name” (Matthew 28:19, as it was originally quoted, Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, Penguin Classics, 1965). Note, He never said, “...baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost.” Which commandment did the disciples hear? It appears the latter quoted by Eusebius from an original manuscript of the NT, for there is no instance of the disciples ever baptizing anyone “In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost,” according to the New Testament! On baptisms specifically were done in the name of {YAHSHUA}, Martin Luther notes, “The apostles certainly used this formula in baptizing in the name of Christ only, as we read in the Acts of the Apostles,’ citing Acts 2:38; 10:48; and 19:5” (Erik H. Herrmann, Paul W. Robinson, The Annotated Luther, Volume 3: Church and Sacraments. Fortress Press. p. 66, 2016). In a documented sermon, Martin Luther made this astonishing statement, “It is indeed true that the name ‘Trinity’ is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man” (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, 1988, p. 406).
The disciples of Christ in the first two or more centuries did not know of any doctrine of the Trinity. Historically, “There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the trinity-at any rate from him” (H. G. Wells, The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499, 1920). Therefore, without a doubt, The so-called Great Commission, as written is an interpolation: "Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 28:19, the words “...in the name of the Father and of the Son, and the Holy Ghost” were added centuries later). The disciples were to make disciples in His name, and they were baptized in the name of Christ only as the NT gives evidence.
The formula is mentioned in the Didache (7:1-3), and it is mostly accepted as authentic due to its supporting manuscript evidence (Everett Ferguson, Baptism in the Early Church, 2013, pp. 134-5). Nevertheless, some scholars have held the view that the passage in the Didache is an interpolation as it is absent from the first few centuries of early Christian quotations, in which case it is believed it would be part of an apostolic or early Christian oral tradition from which both the received texts of Matthew and the Didache emerged, however, the conclusion is the church only baptized in the name of Christ. The view of the passage as an interpolation was in recent times maintained, and this particular line of opposing arguments by Trinitarians is pure eisegesis, meaning the process of interpreting a text in such a way as to introduce one's presuppositions, agendas, or biases, that artificially supports the Trinitarian formula, and based on interpolated verses added to the New Testament. Catholics and Protestants would agree with Protestant Theologian James White, who writes, “We hang a person’s very salvation upon the acceptance of the doctrine…We must know, understand, and love the Trinity to be fully completely Christian” (The Forgotten Trinity, pp. 14-15). And yet most other scholars know that the Trinity is beyond human understanding, “The mind of man cannot fully understand the mystery of the Trinity. He who has tried to understand the mystery fully will lose his mind, but he who would deny the Trinity will lose his soul” (Harold Lindsell and Charles Woodbridge, A Christian Handbook, pp. 51-52, 1953). Nowhere in the New Testament is believing in the Trinity a prerequisite for one’s salvation. Nowhere in the Bible did the LORD ever reveal Himself as a Trinity, or Triune God. Interpolations exist in the New Testament, which are words added later to prove the Trinity. Matthew 28:19 and 1 John 5:7 are proven interpolations, and therefore not of the original Scriptures. 1 John 5:7 is known as “The Johannine comma,” due to a sequence of extra words in 1 John 5:7-8 which appear in later versions of the Bible, but not in earlier Scriptures. Compare these words below in italics in the KJV and the same verse from the newer ESV.
"For there are three that bear record (witness) in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one" (1 John 5:7-8 KJV).
"For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree" (1 John 5:7-8, ESV).
These extra words are generally absent from the early Greek manuscripts. They only appear in the text in late medieval manuscripts, which were done by Trinitarians to bolster the man-made doctrine of the Trinity. The Trinitarian doctrine only existed since the 4th century! A religion unexamined is not worth having. Besides, most Christians when questioned about the Trinity prove to be Modalists, not Trinitarians (The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). Christians have given examples of the Trinity, and one is the steam, water, and ice, which is not a good example for it only proves modalism. The Trinity is not so much a mystery as it is the doctrine of confusion, and we know that God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33).
There are many characters in the Bible that have claimed divinity are the Bible has given them divinity status! Why not put them part of the trinity? How about one essence and 5 persons! At the end of that day 1x1x1x1x1x1= 1
Why is it Jesus never took credit for the things he did and taught but credited it all to his Father and yet the churches insist on giving him all the honor? Why did Jesus always talk about his Father's name and pray for his Father's name to be glorified, and yet the churches have removed his Father's name from his own Word and use only Jesus' name ?
The trinity doctrine is a pagan, Greek philosophy inspired apostasy of the 3rd and 4th centuries. It is the chief lie of Christendom, the foundation of her apostasies. The truth of God's Word is simple and easy to understand and requires no 'mystery'. There is one Almighty God, Jehovah, the maker of all things. That includes the firstborn of His creation, His beloved son whom he sent to redeem mankind from sin and death.
You are a heathen you hate the son because yo7 hate the Father
Wacko cult member all day on the interent
You dont even watch the vids your dead conscience is seared
@@iacoponefurio1915 You accuse but offer no proof or scripture. The HISTORY of the doctrine is well established and well documented. Despite your vitriolic, hate-filled accusation, I am the one defending the Father and his name. My conscience is quite alive, thank you very much. Christendom HATES those that expose it's pagan lies and false doctrines. ( P.S. The next time you call someone a heathen, perhaps it would do you better to use actual words, so as not to appear so childish. Proper punctuation helps to).
Sproul is amazing! But, not in a good way. He seems to confuse natural changes in word meanings with changes in word meanings that are agenda-driven. God never expressed the ideas contained in the Trinitarian definitions of “person” and “being,” nor those ideas contained in the philosophical language of Greek gnostics that the Trinitarians so love to use to talk about God.
Unitarian Christian centerblog ✨.
The illogicalness and contradition of the 'trinity' has so often been 'justified by the sweeping statement "Oh its just a mystery! we cant expect to know everything about God...et.c." This is false reasoning! the word 'mystery' is from the Greek MYSTERON' which actually means that which IS revealed! ( not the opposite! )Thus Paul says at Rom 16:25,26 "...the revelation of the MYSTERY which was kept secret since the world began BUT NOW IS MADE MANIFEST". ( this word MYSTERON is used elsewhere in the NT in exactly the same way! Thus if the 'trinity' is true ,surely it would have been CLEARLY TAUGHT throughout the NT. Howevert NOT ONCE does either the word, or the creed inclusion "There are three persons in one God" occur anywhere in the NT!
I was referred here to a clear expression of trinity. I have not found it. In fact I seriously question this speakers grasp on logical comprehension.
How come he is reported as a heavyweight on theology? His opening statement I saw through four years ago with just a strongs bedside concordance and a free interlinear App on my phone.
Indeed Sproul in his opening statement from Heb one, completely misses the meaning of the greek word "aeons" which is translated as "world" (and he adds a little aside claim ,not in the scripture, that this proves Jesus is the agent of creation) and that greek word "aeons" means periods of time as Verse 1 implies the context, that of ages past and now the age of Grace. And Sproul also misses the point that NOW (theres that Aeons again.. NOW is a time word) Jesus is raised high above angels (as god the son he always was before wasnt he trinitarian?... wasnt he? , so whats the big deal ) and is "seated at GODS right hand (do trinnies not believe Jesus is already God?... he would have had an empty seat to return to) and that Jesus is the "express image of God" in that an image is not the thing itself. Adam was also an imager of God, but Adam was disobedient. Was Adam God? NO! An Image is something that reflects or represents, like Joseph represented Pharaoh, but wasnt pharaoh, yet was given all authority and seated on Pharaohs throne. A foreshadow of Gods intention, to raise a dead person who wasnt royal family and seat that person in authority on the throne... do you see the picture, good old joseph and his amazing dream coat.
Sproul is ether dishonest in this or lacking in logical comprehension.
He is in love with this theology of the trinity. What determines our beliefs is not so much rationality, logic or experience, but our affection. That is why people who don't love God cannot believe in Him even if presented with all facts, logic, arguments.
Sproul is affectionate towards Orthodoxy. Hence, he cannot but believe it.
@@cue_khb thats pretty much it, you hit the nail on the head. my previous christian family (when i was srd evangelical) now give me weird smiles and avoid talking about God, like ostriches with heads in sand.
lovers of religious orthodoxy who wont search out the logic of scripture. I was one for over 30 years, now im called a heretic and false reacher. So be it, its their free will.
blessings.
only by other fakes like him
100.00 reward: present first the sinners prayer book chapter and verse, now do the same with the trinity. yes the trinity is absurdly catholic. yes, at the council of nicea. it cant be removed from history books. another angle, lets give the sinners prayer a chance first, jesus chose 12 apostles, the were to preach the gospel to all nations jesus told them and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name, beginning at jerusalem luke 24;44, jesus was just risen from the dead, that marks the new testament beginning yet beginning at acts 2;38- the apostles began spreading the gospel. book chapter and verse, when did the apostles preach a set of words to repeat as in the sinners prayer to anyone? according to every trinitarian anything, this shows the apostles ignored jesus, picture this: jesus is screaming ! no peter! why arent you having those people repeat the sinners prayer??? and why did the apostles fail to ever explain something that would be of paramount importance like the trinity? sin is explained everywhere in the bible as is repentance and baptism in jesus name for the remission of sins? why does jesus say he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. but he that believeth not shall be damned? and not he that believeth and repeats the sinners prayer ???
@@AlfredGallegos-no4pb good one.
its what i call "churchianity" and its rife here on this channel.
wrong explanation. nowhere in the Bible that God appears in three person
It's time to give up on the Trinity. Let Tertullin have it and admit it was made up.
100.00 reward: present first the sinners prayer book chapter and verse, now do the same with the trinity. yes the trinity is absurdly catholic. yes, at the council of nicea. it cant be removed from history books. another angle, lets give the sinners prayer a chance first, jesus chose 12 apostles, the were to preach the gospel to all nations jesus told them and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name, beginning at jerusalem luke 24;44, jesus was just risen from the dead, that marks the new testament beginning yet beginning at acts 2;38- the apostles began spreading the gospel. book chapter and verse, when did the apostles preach a set of words to repeat as in the sinners prayer to anyone? according to every trinitarian anything, this shows the apostles ignored jesus, picture this: jesus is screaming ! no peter! why arent you having those people repeat the sinners prayer??? and why did the apostles fail to ever explain something that would be of paramount importance like the trinity? sin is explained everywhere in the bible as is repentance and baptism in jesus name for the remission of sins? why does jesus say he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. but he that believeth not shall be damned? and not he that believeth and repeats the sinners prayer ???
There is the milk of the word....and there is the meat of the word....the anti Trinitarians can't stomach the meat of the word...
@greglp776 Neither the milk or the meat of Gods word expresses the 3 person God
100.00 reward: present first the sinners prayer book chapter and verse, now do the same with the trinity. yes the trinity is absurdly catholic. yes, at the council of nicea. it cant be removed from history books. another angle, lets give the sinners prayer a chance first, jesus chose 12 apostles, the were to preach the gospel to all nations jesus told them and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name, beginning at jerusalem luke 24;44, jesus was just risen from the dead, that marks the new testament beginning yet beginning at acts 2;38- the apostles began spreading the gospel. book chapter and verse, when did the apostles preach a set of words to repeat as in the sinners prayer to anyone? according to every trinitarian anything, this shows the apostles ignored jesus, picture this: jesus is screaming ! no peter! why arent you having those people repeat the sinners prayer??? and why did the apostles fail to ever explain something that would be of paramount importance like the trinity? sin is explained everywhere in the bible as is repentance and baptism in jesus name for the remission of sins? why does jesus say he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved. but he that believeth not shall be damned? and not he that believeth and repeats the sinners prayer ???
prove it
First commandment: YHWH is one. If the Father is YHWH and Jesus is YHWH, it makes two YHWHs. Don't fall for it. Follow Jesus' teachings. Jesus taught that the Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD. John 17:1-3.
Liar
He said I and the Father are one
No one falls for your creepy darkness cult
"One in Essence, Three in person" is man made philosophy, doesn't say that in the bible
Bible, ALWAYS mentions, God the Father, NEVER mentions, God the Son or God the Trinity, but always mentions Jesus as the, Son of God.
1 Corinthians 8:6 - New International Version
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
I must have a different OT! Mine says over 50 times "The is ONE God who does not share he glory with anyone else" ( Isa)
You do not read the bible
This day i have called you my son
I have begotten thee
Not to mention the original hebrew is Elohim plural
No one is getting converted to your space cadet wacko cult. You have no Savior and reject the entire bible you are dead in your sins
Get off the internet and seek actual truth amd repent.
Space cadet creepo cult not even clever or sustainable
Pointless drivel and yet you and you 35 fake profiles complain on the same videos every day hahahahaha
You are really desperate and incompetent
@@iacoponefurio1915 Please every one do not respond to this unchristian person! he has just sent a very unplesant, bigotted and insulting relpy to me! I am reporting him!
My friend, nobody is saying that God SHARES His glory. He is God the father, God the son, and God the holy spirit.
He shares His glory with NONE. Other than HIMSELF.
@@HerreraFamilyAdventures Thanks! comment appreciated. Look my point is that its not that the bible merely says 'there is ONE GOD, but that Its only the FATHER who is the 'One true God' not 'God the Father, Son & Holy Spirit'.
Jesus said "The hour is coming when the true worshipers will WORSHIP THE FATHER" ( john 4:23,24). He didnt say " Will worship God", but the FATHER. Paul also singled out just the FATHER for greatest Glory at Phil 2:11 " That every tongue should confess that Jesus is Lord to the GLORY OF ( now note this..) GOD THE FATHER"" So the one the bible states we should worship is not just 'God' but GOD THE FATHER'. Also Paul's intro to at least THREE of his epistles directs us to 'bless' ( worship) The Father...
"Blessed be the GOD and FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ"
2 Cor 1:3 Eph 1:3 Col 1:3 all KJV,
So though a trinitarian will claim that any reference to our worshiping 'God' could mean the Father, Son & Holy Spirit' we are enjoined to worship the FATHER as Jesus said because as Jesus himself said "The Father is Greater than I am ( John 14:28 ). So the 'One God' I worship is the Father, and I do so THROUGH the Son as Jesus taught me! ( See John 16:23) No NT text tells us the 'worship the Son or worship the holy Spirit' ( as God).
Questioner: If there are three distinct persons (person, person, person), and each one of them is a doctor, how many doctors are there?
Trinitarians: 3
Questioner: If there are three distinct persons (person, person, person), and each one of them is a police officer, how many police officers are there?
Trinitarians: 3
Questioner: If there are three distinct persons (person, person, person), and each one of them is a God, how many Gods are there?
Trinitarians: 1
Questioner: Congratulations. You have reached the peak of stupidity.
Police officers aren’t God. Doctors aren’t God. God is good, and you aren’t. You chose to insult this group instead of just adding your opinion, choose differently next time.
@@newsjohnson I mean with a channel name like "Islamic Revelations", I doubt he came here to have a truly respectful and academic debate.
The trinity is a 'mystery' from a book that says God is not one of confusion: 1st Corinthians 14:33. It's a false teaching, God and Jesus are NOT the same person. Proverbs 14:15 says it all.
The original text in Matthew 28 was not a Trinity
Jesus said go, and make disciples of men, baptizing them in my name. God is not a person in heaven except when pertaining to the Lamb he became. God is Spirit, and there is One Spirit. If the Father is Spirit, according to the Son
And there is another holy spirit. That is not taught in the gospel. Happy Thanksgiving ❤️
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ONE VERSE IN THE BIBLE THAT SUPPORTS ONENESS DOCTRINE AND KNOCKOUT THE TRINITY'S 3 PERSONS.
Job 13:7-8 KJV
Will ye speak wickedly for God? and talk deceitfully for him? [8] Will ye accept his person? will ye contend for God?
Reading the verse and remaining totally blind to it !
Crazy !
Hello
Jesus is the Messiah
The Son of God
The Son of David
The Son of man
The man God has chosen to be his anointed king
The man God will judge the world through
The man God raised from the dead
Jesus has a God
There is no triune god in scripture
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
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WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE A SON OF GOD?
THE FIRST MENTIONING OF GOD HAVING ANY SUCH SON IS FIRST REVEALED TO US AT GENESIS 6:1,2 WHERE WE ARE TOLD: “Now when men started to grow in number on the surface of the ground and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of the true God began to notice that the daughters of men were beautiful. So they began taking as wives all whom they chose.”
THIS RATIONALLY TIES IN WITH SATAN’S WORDS: “…If you are a son of God, throw yourself down…” Matthew 4:6
THEREFORE, WE ARE TOLD THAT GOD HAS MANY SONS
THE SCRIPTURES REFER TO THOSE SONS BY MANY DIFFERENT TITLES AND DESIGNATIONS SUCH AS ANGELS, CHERUBS, STARS ETC. ETC.
WE KNOW THIS BECAUSE WE ARE MADE AWARE OF THE REACTION THAT TOOK PLACE IN HEAVEN WITH THESE CREATURES UPON WITNESSING A NEW CREATION BEING BROUGHT FORTH BY GOD AS FOLLOW: “When the morning stars joyfully cried out together, And all the sons of God began shouting in applause?” Job 38:7
THEREFORE, SINCE THE SPIRIT REALM WAS CREATED FRIST ALL INTELLIGENT CREATION IN HEAVEN ARE DESIGNATED AS SONS OF GOD
HERE IS WHERE THIS OBVIOUSLY BECOMES VERY REVEALING: “Now the day came when the sons of the true God entered to take their station before Jehovah, and Satan also entered among them.” Job 1:6
EVEN GOD’S WAYWARD SON SATAN TOOK HIS USUAL PLACE WHEN GOD CALLED A FAMILY MEETING
YEAH, THE VERY ONE RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING BEING OFFSET IN A PERFECTLY GOOD CREATION WAS ONCE A BELOVED SON OF GOD AS WELL
SO, THIS BEGGS THE QUESTION ABOUT JESUS AS TO HOW COULD HE BE A SON OF GOD IN THE SAME SENSE AS THE ANGELS WHEN HE WAS 100% HUMAN - RIGHT?
THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS COMPLETELY GIVEN TO US IN A CONVERSATION THAT JESUS HAD WHILE ON EARTH WITH NICODEMUS WHEN HE TOLD HIM: “What has been born from the flesh is flesh, and what has been born from the spirit is spirit.” John 3:6
HE FURTHER WHEN ON TO TELL HIM: “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, so that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life.” John 3:16
JESUS THUS SINGLES HIMSELF OUT AS THE ONLY ONE DIRECTLY CREATED BY GOD BY DECLARING HIMSELF AS THE “ONLY BEGOTTEN” HOW IS THAT TO BE UNDERSTOOD?
BOTH THE APOSTLES JOHN AND PAUL CLARIFIES THE MEANING OF JESUS BEING THIS TOP-RANKING “ONLY BEGOTTEN” SON OF GOD AS FOLLOW
JOHN TELLS US HOW HE WAS USED BY GOD IN HEAVEN BEFORE BEING SENT TO EARTH STATING: “This one was in the beginning with God. 3 All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence. What has come into existence 14 So the Word became flesh (JOHN 3:6) and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory, a glory such as belongs to an only-begotten son from a father; and he was full of divine favor and truth.” John 1:2,3,14
AND THE APOSTLE PAUL CONFIRMS THIS WITNESS STATING: “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him.” Colossians 1:15,16
SO NOW WE SEE WHY MOST SO-CALLED CHRISTIANS HOLD AND THINK THAT JESUS IS GOD!
WHAT THE SCRIPTURES ARE TEACHING US IS THAT UNLIKE THE SONS OF GOD THAT CAME TO EARTH MAKING THEMSELVES HALF HUMAN TO COHABITATE WITH WOMEN AND FATHER OFFSPRING ON EARTH AND TO LORD IT OVER THE HUMAN POPULATION - IN CONTRAST -
THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON’S LIFE FORCE WAS TRANSFORMED INTO FLESH AND HE WAS BORN AGAIN INTO THE WORLD AS A FLESH AND BLOOD HUMAN: “Indeed, the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great: ‘He was made manifest in flesh, was declared righteous in spirit…” 1 Timothy 3:16
A KEY TO UNDERSTANDING ALL OF THIS IS THE FACT THAT: “... He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might become the one who is first in all things;” Colossians 1:18
BEING FIRST IN ALL THINGS IS THE KEY TO KNOWING HOW IT IS POSSIBLE FOR JESUS TO HAVE HAD A PRE-HUMAN EXISTENCE WITHOUT HAVING TO BE HALF ANGELIC AND HALF HUMAN AT THE SAME TIME SINCE HE IS THE FIRST ONE TO EVER BE BORN AGAIN!!!
HERE IS THE PROPER VIEW
THOSE THAT HAVE THE UPWARD HEAVENLY CALLING TO BE WITH JESUS IN HEAVEN WILL HAVE TO BECOME BORN AGAIN IN ORDER TO BECOME ANGELIC AS WE ARE TOLD: “But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom…” 1 Corinthians 15:50
SO, IT STANDS THAT ALL OF THOSE HAVING THE HEAVENLY CALLING (OF WHICH I AM NOT ONE OF THEM) WILL HAVE HAD - FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE ANGELS THAT ARE ALREADY RESIDING IN THE HEAVENS LOOKING UPON - THOSE BEING BROUGHT FROM THE EARTH - TO THOSE ANGLES - THOSE WHO WERE ONCE HUMAN WILL HAVE HAD A PRE- ANGELIC EXISTENCE HOWEVER, ONCE THEY GO TO HEAVEN, THEY WILL NOT BE HALF ANGELIC AND HALF HUMAN BUT RATHER 100% ANGELIC EVEN THOUGH THEY WERE ONCE HUMAN (REVELATION 14:3)
SIMPLE PUT THOSE BEING “BROUGHT FROM THE EARTH” TO LIVE IN HEAVEN WILL BECOME 100% SPIRIT BEINGS EVEN THOUGH THEY USE TO BE HUMANS AND LIKEWISE THAT IS WHAT TOOK PLACE IN MAKING GOD’S ONLY DIRECT CREATION- “ONLY BEGOTTON SON” THAT WAS ONCE AN ANGLE - THE REVERSE OF THE SAME TRANSFORMATION PROCESS THAT WE LEARN FROM THE SCRIPTURES THAT TOOK PLACE WITH THE SPIRIT BEING THAT WAS SENT TO EARTH TO BECOME A 100% HUMAN BEING WHO WE CALL BY THE NAME OF JESUS “‘I, Jesus, sent my angel to bear witness to you about these things for the congregations. I am the root and the offspring of David and the bright morning star.’” Revelation 22:16
WE ARE TOLD IN THE BIBLE THAT UNLIKE THOSE ANGELS THAT FORSOOK THE HEAVENS TO ACT AS gODS ON THE EARTH IN IMITATION OF SATAN (JUDE 6 - SEE ALSO REVELATION 12:9)
THAT JESUS EVEN AFTER BECOMING AWARE OF HIS PRE-HUMAN EXISTENCE UPON HIS BAPTISM THAT HE: “who, although he was existing in God’s form, gave no consideration to a seizure, namely, that he should be equal to God. 7 No, but he emptied himself and took a slave’s form and became human. 8 More than that, when he came as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to the point of death, yes, death on a torture stake.” Philippians 2:6,7,8
I HAVE ONLY TOUCHED UPON ALL OF THIS AS THIS ALL IS SO MUCH DEEPER THAN WHAT IS BEING PRESENTED HERE
IF YOU CAN GET THE SENSE OF THIS THAN, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE OPPORTUNITY THAT OUR HEAVENLY FATHER IS OFFERING YOU TO LEARN THE TRUTH THAT WILL MAKE THE ULTIMATE DIFFERENCE IN YOUR LIFE AS RELATED TO US IN THESE WORDS: “This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.” John 17:3
THIS IS THE PRAYER I OFFER IN YOUR BEHALF IN JESUS NAME AMEN!
There is a difference He us called the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. Big difference, you needed to go to more scriptures John 17:5 glorify Me with the glory We had together before the world began.
Look at what Isaiah says "I am the Lord, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another
Isaiah 42: 8
Yet Jesus shared that glory with the Father before the world was
@@saved6655 Isaiah says, " I am Jehovah", not lord. The statement makes no sense as you're implying as LORD is a title.
John 17 makes perfect sense as Jesus was the first thing created and alongside his Father as everything else was created. No trinity implied or needed.
@@dennisjump8655 thanks for the response, your going to have to show me scripturally where Jesus was created
@@dennisjump8655 and my point is Yahweh shares His glory with no one yet Christ says He shared glory with Jehovah before the world was
@@saved6655 Glory: "high renown or honor won by notable achievements". There are different types of glory, even "the glory of men", the glory of a woman's hair (1 Corinthians 11:15), etc.
I assume you're referencing John15:5 " And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the founding of the world." Jesus did not say " our glory", nor did he say, " Give me YOUR glory". He said "the glory I had" with you. All that's being said is that he enjoyed a glory with his Father, not the "my glory" of Isaiah that Jehovah makes plain he shares with no one. ( Note: God was addressing the Israelites in this passage that were engaging in idol worship. " I am Jehovah! That is my name! I will not give my my glory to another nor my praise to carved images". Isaiah 42:8) Jesus also says plainly that he was in "God's presence." So he is before his father enjoying the glory God gave him. No trinity there.
Also, as the Son of Man, Jesus is showing he is the fulfillment of Daniel 7:13,14. He is given glory by the Ancient of Days, Jehovah God.
How can mere mortals be so arrogant as to try and 'define' or 'explain' the true nature of God! The biggest mistake that the 'church' made was to be 'dazzled' by the 'wisdom' & cleverness' of the 'church fathers' who mostly were educated & wealthy PHILOSOPHERS! Paul had warned the brothers Not to heed the 'philosophies of men' ( Col 2:8) Remember too that the apostles who gave us the NT were "Unlettered and ordinary men" They preached that there is just "One God & Father of all persons who is overall" (Eph 4:6) and that Jesus Christ was NOT 'God the son' ( no bible verse says this!) but the Son of God as John summed up in his gospel ( read John 20:31) Amen
We begin in Genesis 1:1-2 (reading from the World English Bible)
1 In the beginning, God[a] created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was formless and empty. Darkness was on the surface of the deep and God’s Spirit was hovering over the surface of the waters.
Commentary: Genesis was first written in the Hebrew language. The English word God found in English Bibles is translated from the Hebrew word Elohim. God [a], the Hebrew word “אֱלֹהִ֑ים” (Elohim) means ‘gods’. The creative force of the heavens and the earth is shown to be "Elohim" (the Hebrew generic word for "gods"). Hebrew words with ‘im’ on the end of a word is like an English words with ‘s’ on the end to indicate a plural, literally “gods created the heavens and the earth.” Another way to define the word Elohim is found in Deuteronomy 10:17, that is “the God of gods,” as a collective force. Like an Army that moves as one is a force. God singular over gods plural, as the creator is the one we call our Savior, the very Messiah, YAHSHUA, who is the Son of sons, the Lord of lords, the King of kings. YAHSHUA the Christ, who represents His God and Father perfectly, for this reason, “He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence” (Colossians 1:15-18). Christ, not His God and Father, is the creator of the heaven and the earth along with His companions, the gods, and they collectively are the Elohim. This precludes any notion that Elohim is indicative of the Trinity for the following reasons:
The Trinity is defined as the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God, and yet not three gods (Elohim), one God (Eloah, or EL). The plural Elohim does not fit into the equation of the Trinitarian formula.
The Elohim are identified in the Bible as sons of God, as found in Psalm 82:6. From the Hebrew we see that God calls the sons of God “elohim.” As translated directly from the Hebrew Scriptures, we read, and quote God, “I said, “You are elohim (gods), and all of you are sons of the Most High.”
The Father and God of our Lord YAHSHUA the Christ speaking to Him, informs us, “But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
And: “You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands” (Hebrews 1:8-10). The Companions are the sons of God in association with the Preeminent Son of God. God the Father refers to the Son as LORD (YHWH), in other words Christ is the God of Israel, and the Shema identifies Him (Deuteronomy 6:4). Christ is our only God, for He is our only “Rock” (Isaiah 44:6-8, compare 1 Corinthians 10:1-4).
Actually it is Psalmist who says the words Paul quoted at Hebrews 1:8,9. Not God. See Psalms 45:6,7.
God will never address someone else as God.
Rearrange the sentence to read:
But to the son he says:
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, YOUR GOD has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your COMPANIONS.”
The Psalmist was drawing the contrast between God whose throne is everlasting. And the Son who is ONE of the Kings anointed by God.
@@jimjuri6490 YAHSHUA said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father and to My God and your God’ ” (John 20:17). It is not far fetched that the Father would address the Son as God and that He is His God. Based on the Savior's statement, and the Father's statement in Hebrews 1:8-9, the interpretation is correct, and yours is wrong.
@@S.R.M. : I'm sure you can read. Jesus tells Mary that he is returning to his Father and God who is the SAME Father and God as Mary's. John 20:17.
IF Jesus is God because he has a God, shouldn't Mary be God too?
(1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God, the Father,
This is proper Christian belief.
JWs are Jesus' disciples. Ask them for help in learning what Christianity is about.
@@jimjuri6490 Ecumenism is the concept that Christians who belong to different Christian denominations should work together to develop closer relationships among their churches and promote Christian unity. The adjective ecumenical is thus applied to any group of Christians, who take the initiative and thereby encourage greater cooperation and union among Christian denominations and churches.
The fact that all Christians belonging to mainstream Christianity profess faith in Jesus, a name never revealed by God, and has only existed since the 17th century, and even though they believe that the Bible is inspired by God (John 1:1), however, they receive baptism according to the Trinitarian formula, which the disciples of Christ did not believe. Yes, the Bible is inspired by the LORD. Baptisms done by the Trinitarian formula are problematic, and yet this is seen as being a basis for ecumenism and its goal of Christian unity. Ecumenists cite John 17:20-23, which quotes YAHSHUA, and we read, “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.”
This serves as the biblical grounds for striving for church unity, in which YAHSHUA prays "may all be one" in order "that the world may know" and believe the Gospel message. But until all come to truly understand the Word of God, as it is in the Bible, we cannot possibly become one.
What is wrong with the Trinity formula in Baptism?
There is only one place in the New Testament where Christ is believed to have commanded His disciples to baptize according to the Trinitarian formula. We find this in Matthew 28:19, and we read, “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit…”
Well, there is no doubt that the disciples did as the Lord commanded, right? And even if they forgot that He even said this, that is “...baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the son and of the Holy Spirit…” the promise of the Holy Spirit would remind them, right? It is right here in John 14:25-26, and we read, “These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.”
Except the apostles never baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost in the New Testament!
All baptisms in the New Testament were done in the name of YAHSHUA. They were not done in the name of Jesus because that name was never known by them, the very apostles and disciples of Christ. This is a historic fact. The well-known historian Ernest Renan acknowledges this in his book, The Life of Jesus, p. 90. There is no evidence in the New Testament of any baptisms done using the Trinitarian formula. All baptisms were done in the name, by which they knew the Messiah, YAHSHUA.
All Scriptures in the New Testament testify to believers being baptized in the name of YAHSHUA only.
Acts 2:38, and we read, "Then Peter said to them, “Repent and let every one of you be baptized in the name of YAHSHUA the Christ for the remission of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 8:16, and we read, “For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord YAHSHUA.”
Acts 10:48, and we read, “And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then they asked him to stay a few days.”
Acts 19:5, and we read, “When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord YAHSHUA.”
Acts 22:16, and we read, “And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.”
Romans 6:3, and we read, “Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ YAHSHUA were baptized into His death?”
Galatians 3:27, and we read, “For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.”
There is no evidence in the New Testament that the Church of Christ in the 1st century of any baptisms done in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.
What are we to make of this? Is Matthew 28:19 authentic? Is there any evidence to the contrary that Christ never said, “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit…”?
Let us turn to the earliest church historian Eusebius Eusebius of Caesarea, he was born around 260 AD and died on May 30, 339. He was the official Church historian of Christianity. In about the year of AD 314, he became the bishop of Caesarea in the Roman province of Syria Palestine. Eusebius was a scholar of the biblical canon and is regarded as one of the most learned Christians during late antiquity. He was known as the "Father of Church History," and he produced the Ecclesiastical History, The History of the Church, which is now a Penguin Classics Book, published in 1967, and we note p. 68.
Eusebius quotes Matthew 28:19, and we read, “Go and make disciples in My name.” He quotes from an ancient text of The Gospel According to Matthew, and there is nothing mentioned of baptizing in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost”!
Therefore, the apostles were never commanded by Christ to baptize using the Trinitarian formula.
Historian H. G. Wells in his noted work, The Outline of History, writes, “There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from him” (Vol. 2, p. 499).
And finally, a quote from Martin Luther, It is indeed true that the name ‘Trinity’ is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man” (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, 1988, p. 406).
@@S.R.M. : This is what Christians believe.
(1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God, the Father,
Jesus believes it, his disciples believed it. Jesus' last days' disciples (JWs) believe it.
No one can become a Disciple of God. It is IMPOSSIBLE.
That is why all the baptisms were:
Acts 2:38 Peter said to them: “Repent, and let each one of you be baptized IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST for forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the FREE GIFT of the holy spirit.
Obviously 'in the name of the Father, son and holy spirit' was not some formula for baptism (ref Matthew 28:19).
It was to show any prospective DISCIPLE OF JESUS, that they must FIRST come to know who God is (The Father). See Jesus' prayer to his God Jehovah at John 17:3.
Then they should get baptized as DISCIPLES of Jesus. Then the free gift of the holy spirit will be given these DISCIPLES of Jesus.
(John 13:35) By this all will know that YOU ARE MY DISCIPLES-if you have love among yourselves.”
The YOU refers to one united group of Jesus disciples.
These can be identified by the criteria stated and their involvement in fulfilling Matthew 24:14 under Jesus' direction.
Those who use Matthew 28:19 to say that it was about a trinity, have absolutely no idea what Jesus meant.
the holy spirit is not a person bcuz in the day of the penticost there 120 prople that were filled by the holy spirit, If that is a person were they filled by persons
I have a question?
Is there any other persons in The Trinity other than The Father, The Son, and Holy Ghost?
For example:
Is The Burning Bush from Exodus 3, Pillar of Cloud by Day & Pillar of Cloud by Night from Exodus 13, Man that wrestled with Jacob from Genesis 32, Angelic Man that spoke with Abraham from Genesis 18, etc.. Are these included within or outside of The Trinity and do these persons of God have their own thrones and is their scriptures to back up the answer for these separate persons of God?
No God has manifested Himself in three distinct persons. All those appearances are theophanies.
We could those appearances were appearances of pre existent Christ before he took on flesh.
When we read the Bible, we see God having this personal relationship within each persons of the Trinity, and that's how he manifests and works. We see that especially in the Gospels.
About the thrones, we know that Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father and that the Holy Spirit works in unison within the two.
Also in revelations, we see that Jesus will judge the nations.
what about lady wisdom in Prov8:20, was she the mother of Jesus playing in the celestial sandbox when they made all of creation, Same wording as Jn1:1....... she was there in the beginning with god and did a bunch of stuff.... i am being faceitious.
No there is only one God, and the man Jesus raised and mediator on Gods throne, the only mediator between god and Man. (1Tim) That God is Holy, and Spirit, so that is God working among us in spirit, a Holy Spirit, not a third dude.
I think you're asking the wrong questions. Does a Christian need to believe in the Trinity to be saved? And if so, why did our Savior, nor the disciples, ever teach the doctrine of the Trinity? Why would Christ allow a council of men to come together to argue who God is (The Council of Nicaea in 325 CE), and thereby seek to define God? Can mankind define God? No, God reveals Himself to mankind. 1 John 5:7-8, The Johannine Comma is an interpolation according to Christian scholars (words added) to the Bible by over-zealous Trinitarians, who wanted some testimony to the Trinity, due to the fact that in the Bible there is none. Matthew 28:19 has come under suspicion, a commandment allegedly given by Christ to the disciples, but the disciples only baptized in the Savior’s name only, as demonstrated in the Book of Acts. The early church historian Eusebius, wrote (published circa 316 CE) in his book, Matthew 28:19, that Christ actually said, "Go and make disciples of all the nations in my name" (Eusebius, The History of the Church, p. 68, PENGU1N CLASSICS, 1965). The Trinity has only really existed since the 4th century. Historian H.G. Wells factually stated, "There is no evidence that the apostles of Jesus ever heard of the Trinity-at any rate from Him" (The Outline of History, Vol. 2, p. 499). Martin Luther is quoted in a sermon saying, "It is indeed true that the name 'Trinity' is nowhere to be found in the Holy Scriptures, but has been conceived and invented by man" (The Sermons of Martin Luther, Vol. 3, p. 406, 1988). It is time that the false Trinity Doctrine cease to exist in Christianity! Catholics and Protestants agree that “Whoever will be saved: before all things, it is necessary to keep the Catholic faith… unless he keeps this faith whole, he will perish everlastingly...And the Catholic faith is this: we worship one God in Trinity” (Catholicism, p. 69, 1961). Protestant professor of Theology James White, states, “The Trinity doctrine is misunderstood as well as ignored. It is so misunderstood that a majority of Christians when asked, give incorrect and at times downright heretical definitions of the Trinity” (James White, The Forgotten Trinity, p. 16). According to James White, around 75% of Christians, who think themselves to be Trinitarians, are actually Modalists. One God who at different times represents Himself in three different modes of being: Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. If belief in the Trinity doctrine is so critical to our salvation, then why did Christ and the disciples not preach the Trinity, which historically developed over 300 years after Christ? To say that one must believe in the Trinity in order to be saved, when Christ never stipulated the doctrine as a prerequisite for salvation is the grossest form of legalism! The man-made Trinity Doctrine is so ingrained into the imagination of Christians for salvation when Christ and the apostles never ever taught it, that many will actually stand condemned for believing in the Trinity according to the Tradition of men, and not of God. Christ warned us about teaching doctrines without one thus says the LORD! And He...said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: ‘This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men…” He said to them, “All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition” (Mark 7:6-9). Christians do not need to believe in the Trinity in order to receive salvation and eternal life in the Kingdom of God! The Trinity is a useless Doctrine based solely on the misunderstanding of men. It is time for Christians to free themselves from the doctrines of men.
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The doctrine of the trinity states that Jesus and God the Father are equal, but Bible verses refute that:
the head of Christ is God. 1 Corinthians 11:3
the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all. 1 Corinthians 15:28
They are equal, but their roles are different. The Father is the head of Christ in the same way that the husband is the head of the wife, but that doesn't mean the wife is not equal to the husband. Christ came to do His Father's will, He subjected himself to His Father, but they are equal in worth, righteousness, holiness, love, justice, etc.
Just as Brianna said. Just as husband and wife are equal but the man is the head of the wife, so the Father and son are equal but the Son submits to the Father. Jesus coming to earth and dying for our sins wouldn't have been possible without this willing submission from Jesus to the Father.
@@joshuaWEC isnt that Modalism, like Ice, Water and Steam?
Why do you call them "Persons?" This term is always applied to human beings. Why do you claim that God is even a Person? I would like to know where you got this idea from. Who made it applicable to our one supreme being who is omnipotent, omniscient, and ever lasting? The word for person in Hebrews 1:3 is "hupostasis" which means "essence and substance."
Watch the video 😊
Why don't you watch the video again and take notes like I did? You will find there the reason why he quoted the word person/personhood. Be a good student. Repeat it!
@@rpireland6131
It is still wrong to use the word persons in reference to God. The bible does not teach that!
@@approvedofGod I would encourage you to watch the session again. It's the LANGUAGE problematic that has changed. He explained that from the use of the word person/personhood to essence/existence/substance. Take a pen and paper and take note. That will help. I did! I would agree with you if i found the same but try it.
@@rpireland6131 There's no nees to watch the video again. R.C. Sproul uses only METAPHYSICS and GREEK PHILOSOPHY of Plato and Aristoteles to teach the false doctrine of the Trinity. No Biblie from Genesis to Revelation, ONLY METAPHYSICS and HUMAN PHILOSOPHY. R.C. Sproul is a FALSE TEACHER.
People who have multiple personalities suffer from Dissociative identity disorder (DID).
All these attempts to make God a sufferer from a mental illness is bizarre.
The prophecy at 2 Timothy 3:13 is called to mind.
For Christians who are disciples of Jesus, this is their belief.
(1 Corinthians 8:6) there is actually to us one God, the Father,
What others prefer to believe cannot be paraded around as Christian belief.