The Autobot Matrix of Leadership is basically a complex and compact massive data storage unit that holds the personalities of past Autobot leaders who were downloaded into moments before death and the current Matrix holder can access their combine knowledge when the leader needs great wisdom to win whatever the current conflict is. It's also essentially a doomsday weapon for the Autobots as a last resort (light our darkest hour) measure as was when they used it to destroy Unicron and cure the Hate Plague. And as seen in Transformers The Movie when Hot Rod became Rodimus Prime, it also has limited reformatting abilities. Depending on how heavily it's used, it needs recharging from millions of years to almost immediately (ie. when they drained it during the Hate Plague incident). Some Cybertronians considers it a myth. Autobots considers it their answer to Excalibur while the Deceptions considers it to be a cursed object since it could bring about their doom. A mystical slayer of world eaters and curer of plagues. That's my theory on the Matrix.
There's only one thing I disagree with - The Decepticons have no reason to fear the Matrix. It's not meant to bring about their doom. It was made to be used by Cybertronians. In fact, a Decepticon could wield and house the matrix, as long as they weren't corrupted by Unicron.
@manofsteel33 G1 Scourge was altered/created by Unicron. That was the reason it had the effect it did, not because he was a Decepticon. It would be the equivalent of a person who sold their soul to the Devil trying to touch Holy Water. The Decepticons physically are no different than Autobots. Any Decepticon would be just as able to handle the Matrix as Ultra Magnus did.
Mine is similar: My theory is that the matrix was originally a backup drive for the spark/personality component of some ancient leader. It was one of several artifacts, & would basically grant immortality. Somewhere along the way that was forgotten (or was kept secret to all but a few) & it got passed down to new leaders. It does store accumulated wisdom, but as a by-product. This explains how OP kept coming back & why he was a virtual zombie until the matrix went back in him. It also explains why Alpha Trion was inside the matrix, but in a different color scheme. He must have installed it at an earlier time (when he used a dif color scheme) & then stepped down, passing it to Optimus.
manofsteel33 I think the reason Ultra Magnus couldn't access the matrix is that it had already bonded with the next robot that came in contact with it: Hot Rod, when he caught it.
it was probably one of those weird proprietary high density types, like a floppy form factor but holds more like zip drive amounts. sony had such a format in the 90's.
I always interpreted it as the spark of each Matrix-bearer was stored in the gem when they die, and that is how it is able to store all their knowledge and restore Optimus.
"Each Prime carried with him not only a Spark, but also a life giving power source called the Matrix, undiluted essence of Primus himself. The Matrix could be utilized not only imbue new creations with Sparks, but also to repair and reinvigorate those critically injured on the battlefield.It´s Power will be used at the discretion of the Prime. The Matrix also serves as a window to the past... or future." Transformers The Ultimate guide. This piece gives us a lot of information about the Matrix. We may say the Matrix is an Artifact which not even the Prime who holds it knows it´s full power. That is why a certian times the weilder didn´t know how or when to use it There it´s lso said in the Ultimate guide, the Matix is a piece of the Spark of Primus. So we can tell it´s still a sacred Powerful artifact for the transformers. As usual a great Video my Friend. Intresing fact, how in Beast Wars a mistake was made, and then they had to correct it.
In beast wars rinox warns primal about primes spark saying " his spark CONTAINS the matrix it too powerful" meaning they knew he carried the matrix of leadership and that it was fused with optimus primes spark. It was both the power of primes spark and the matrix of leadership that transformed primal into optimal optimus.
The day he dies will be even more tragic than Optimus Prime's 1986 movie death. No one could possibly live up to his legacy, or at least not in the same way.
Personally for G1, I think Optimus originally never took the matrix with him to earth he took the retrofit spark holder as a decoy incase a decepticon knew what it was (or thought it was the matrix, giving him a backdoor to return if destroyed), because when escaping Cybertron he had no idea when or if he would return and suspected that the decepticons would attack the ark and decided that taking the matrix with him was too risky as it was likely the decepticons would destroy him outright and with autobots left on Cybertron there would at least be the chance for another Prime should his mission fail. His matrix style spark holder is then irreparably damaged in "divide and conquer" so when he is cloned in "a prime problem", it isn't there so he doesn't have an easy way to prove his identity. Then at some point after that and prior to the movie, he retrieved the real matrix and Ratchet First Aid and Sparkplug repaired his chest properly as human technological advancements made it easier to replicate Cybertronian components, though some parts still needed to be manufactured else where like Metroplexs transforming cog (either due to materials needed for construction or to stop centralisation to prevent decepticons disruption of a supply chain)
My theory is that Prime's spark had merged with the matrix as all previous welders, giving the current bearer across to their knowledge, wisdom, experiences, etc. That would retcon beast wars in another way different from Primeval Dawn. Also why Optimus could be controlled by the Quintessons in Dark Awakening since he was a soulless puppet like Age of Extinction Galvatron. That theory would require unnerving for events like Rodimus giving it back, I realize. A great compilation video, always fun learning about the Japanese shows. I also sigh in exasperation about Prime Wars trilogy. A stain on the franchise, animation, and story telling.
His exact words where "his spark contains the matrix its too powerful" so what we see in beast wars in the matrix of leadership and it was the combined power of primes spark, the matrix, and primals transmetal body that allowed him to not just survive the transfer but what forced his body to transform to handle the sheer power it now contained.
Hehe yeah.. where Megatron just so happens to have a remote control Optimus cloning machine tucked into his bedroom closet.. suspicious? Nah.. Hey Megs.. what's with all the French maid uniforms?
Oh man...shout out to being old! Thanx Roddy! Another great vid. Man, we have seen this Matrix thing just go nuts. Remember the good ol days, when Season 1 and 2 were rocking along, and did not even have or know about a stinking Matrix!! Lol..smh..so much water under the bridge man!..till all r 1
@manofsteel33 I respect g1, but I got into the series with animated, witch had a mutch smaller, but in my opinion way more fleshed out cast, and an interesting new take on Optimus Prime, and had in my opinion, the best starscream, best Megatron, best ratchet, best bumblebee, and a bunch of references to Transformers passed, even beast wars characters make cameos, the only thing that was missing was combiners, witch were planned for. The shows 4th season, but, it was cancelled
At 16:13 when you referenced the g1 episode, what I think happened was the Matrix was tucked further in Optimus's chest like when he transformers into truck mode like we see in other episodes where Spike and Sparkplug ride in hin
Well, regardless of where it was or what it does or even what they call it, the Matrix of leadership is an awesome and intriguing object that we're all glad was added to the lore. It gets a better reception than The all spark, anyway.
This was absolutely Amazing seeing all the old comics and different series. I loved the Transformers as a Kid and still enjoy them. thank you for sharing such a great video.
the beast wars one is just an error or a unique take on the matrix. when they are talking about moving it, rhinox first says "we'll never make it, his spark is already joining the matrix" but then tells primal "His spark has the matrix with it, it's too powerful" . so it sounds like it's both separate and a part of the matrix at the same time. like his spark "holds" the matrix while he lives, but then when he dies, it gets absorbed by it. that's how i interpreted it when i first watched it.
Very interesting video, buddy! For someone like me that missed out on more or less all of the comics, as well as a massive portion of the cartoons, this is pure gold! Thanks :)
I have a theory that the Cybertronian Creation Matrix was possibly intended for all Transformers, but over time the Autobot faction began to hog it until they achieved a monopoly. It could serve as a major motivator for Decepticon angst and animosity, as well as a source of guilt for Optimus.
My original head-canon prior to my discovery of "Primeval Dawn" was that Orion Pax inherited The Matrix upon his conversion to Optimus, Carried it throughout most of The Great War, And left it on Cybertron (Possibly safeguarded by Alpha Trion and/or The female Autobots) prior to the Ark launch as a precaution in any event Prime would be missing. At an undisclosed time between 1985 and 2005, The Matrix was recovered from Cybertron. This was my hypothesis for The Matrix being absent from Prime's person between The Ark Launch and the year 2005.
Just my head canon, but I like to think that Alpha Trion (to protect Cyberton from Unicron) had the Matrix when Optimus and the majority of the Autobots left Cybertron 4M years ago.
So each Transformer has their own spark which gives them life. A leader holds the Matrix which is, more or less, a Super USB that has an auto save function that accumulates all of experience and knowledge gained until it's time to pass it on to another. When transferred to a new leader, the Matrix also has an upgrade feature that enhances the new leader in order for that Transformer to be able to utilise that knowledge and experience in a practical way instantly.
And I thought I knew a lot about Transformers. Especially the ones from the 80's but you're got me beat with all of the Data mining you've been doing. I had over a hundred of them when I was young. I wish I had them now.
When it comes to Beast Wars, I like to think that the actual Matrix was being carried by a unknown individual in the proper timeline, with Prime's Spark holder taking place of the Matrix to avoid some sort of continuity error, as the matrix couldn't have been in two places at once
In Mmpr Season 2, Jason, Zack, Trini or Red Black Yellow Rangers. Passed the powers by the sword of light by Tommy, the white ranger. To Rocky, Adam, Aisha. As the new Red, Black, Yellow Rangers.
He had to adjust it because it did not fit right. This was something added that was part of the foreshadowing that Ultra Magnus was not to be the permanent leader.
Where was the Matrix when the Megatron created a perfect exact copy of Optimus Prime? There was a pretty good shot of inside his chest in the episode “The Prime Problem”.
I loved how they played the song from the debut of Rodimus prime when Optimus use the energy of the matrix to cure the hate plague in the return of Optimus prime two-parter.
My theory is that half of primals spark was merged from the matrix which is how he became a prime with the matrix still having the power to being passed with other rightful owners, and as you said, the matrix can obly be passed with the rightful owner, i think primal is one of the rightful owner which is how he can get hold of the matrix but he didnt want to change the future for being the leader of the autobots instead he gave it to prime, i think hes intent is to fix the matrix for it to work again by fusing half of hes spark into the matrix. Btw great video you managed to fit both the g1 and th beast wars into one video, and i i have known how the matrix work, keep up the giid work
There was another error in beast wars you completely missed Rhinox said as primal took primes spark "This spark has the matrix with it, it's too powerful."
I personally think the whole Spark Casing idea is a perfect way to hide the real Matrix of Leadership from the likes of the Decepticons. Great video! And still, I must say... *TILL ALL ARE ONE!!!*
One little thing, in Beast Wars Rhinox clearly mentions that Optimus Prime's spark contains the matrix when he realizes that Primal intends to place it within himself.
However his spark containing the matrix would explain how he was able to be returned to life, since Rodimus was basically hosting his spark the whole time, like Primal did while they repaired his head. The zombie version was a sparkless Prime, and the reason he acted like he did was because his spark was trying to reconnect with his body and override what the Quintessons did.
Jason Gager that wouldnt explain how emptying the Matrix didn't kill Prime when he used up its energy to cure the Hate Plague. The fact remains that it is his spark holder that is shaped like the Matrix as a decoy.
So I was playing around with my Titan return figures this week when I was reminded of the episode, City of Steel. For those who don't remember this one its where Megatron takes over New York and starts to turn it into New Cybertron. Part of the episode Prime is caught in Central park with a pit trap, then Megatron orders the autobots to retreat or he'd melt Prime down for scrap. Later megatron does have Prime dismantled. His head is left on a shelf as is his feet. His right arm and gun are placed on the outside of the Empire state building as a defensive turret. And the rest of him is turned into a giant robot alligator. which is given a basic vehicon brain and turned loose in the sewers. This got me wondering. How could the Constructicons miss the matrix chamber when they used primes body for the Gatorcon.
Oh for any one who wants to know. I was thinking of what to do with an extra Skullsmasher. When the thought of painting him into Optimus/Gator Prime figure. came to me.
I just assumed that when a Prime puts the Matrix in their chest their spark bonds with it and that's why it was in the Matrix during Beast Wars. I never thought more about it than that.
Dont forget that in beastwars that rinox warns primal against trying to contain primes spark in his body by saying " his spark contains the matrix its too powerful". Not sure how anyone can say it wasn't the matrix at that point.
When I saw the Transformers Animated movie, I was really surprised on so many things. 1. The arrival of Unicron and the lack of his backstory therein. 2. The death of Optimus Prime and some G1 Transformers. 3. Weren't there 5 Dinobots?Why is it that only 4 were shown in the movie? 4. There are so many mechanized animals wherever the transformers go such as robotic octopus and sharks. 5. The Quintessons (who were the creators of the Transformers) doesn't seem to realize that Hot Rod and Kupp are Transformers considering that they have Autobot insignia. 6. How did the Decepticons were always able to reach the Autobot ships that they were planning to ambush despite the long,light years of gap between them?
Optimus Primes entire memory was around 1.44MB? 😳 Maybe unzipped something like 3MB? Maybe more if there is lots of empty characters 😂 Windows 3.1 came on 6 floppy disks and Windows 95 came on 30 floppy disks, but prime only needed one! Imagine if there was a bad sector on the disk 😱
So How Does The Creation Matrix Work Cause what I Understand Is That You Give It To A Vehicle Then It Becomes A Cybertronian Version Of That Vehicle With Your Personality So If Gave A Lamborghini The Creation Matrix It Would Be My Friend And Have My Personality?
You overlooked the fact that Primacron's "assistant" in "Call of the Primitives" seemed to look exactly like the Matrix of Leadership. As for where the matrix actually was during season 1/2 of the show, I believe it was stored somewhere besides within Optimus (maybe somewhere on Cybertron, in Alpha Trion's possession). Optimus didn't require it to become what he was, since his updated form was a result of A3 fixing him (maybe guided by the matrix however).
Some alternate thoughts about the Beast Wars Matrix thing... Rodimus had to be incapacitated to use the Matrix to enter the afterlife. Maybe since Optimus was in a (very long) coma during the events of Beast Wars, his spark was actually in there at the time. This explanation admittedly works a little better for G1 since it never necessarily showed a spark as a physical object, whereas in Beast Wars we do see this, or at least spark chambers. Still, it's something that's made of energy, so I don't see why it can't move around in a body. It fits with the spiritual underpinnings of the idea pretty well. A spark is more or less the transformer equivalent of the human idea of a soul -- that there is some energy or essence of a person that animates a physical body, but isn't the body in itself. The Dreamwave guidbook described sparks as being spread through a transformer's body in this way. If that was the case (at least for G1 transformers) it's plausible that the spark of an Autobot leader would rest in the Matrix (or be accessible through it at least) while incapacitated. It's also possible that an Autobot leader's spark would animate the Matrix in some way while he holds it as a part of him -- at the very least we know that the Matrix contained a measure of the essense of Rodimus (he was Hot Rod without it). Maybe whatever part of the Matrix that had a similar (if invisible) effect on Prime. The point here is that there's a sense that the leader is "one" with the Matrix in some way, arguably a part of his body, so once again Prime's life force could reasonably be a part of it. When I think about that the episode doesn't strike me as an animation error so much as something that could have been worded better.
You missed the weird G1 S3 episode where grim lock stops the 'creater' of unicron from destroying all life, and the matrix shows up claiming to be his old lab assistant. Though this is probably for the best. ;)
I know. This video was great, I'm not criticizing. As I'm sure you know Call of the Primitives is a very weird episode, and quite hard to resolve with the law, both in the G1 cartoon continuity and the expanded G1 continuity. Best watched when high on sugar as I did when I was a kid. It attempts to create an origin story for both the Matrix and Unicron but ended up creating more plot holes than it fills. My personal way of explaining it is as follows: Primus and Unicron are extra dimensional beings descended from 'The One'. They fight and Primus ended up wounded in our universe. Slowly matter collected around him to create the planet Cybertron, and as life evolved on him naturally he reached out and communicated with it, via the matrix and the creation of Vector Sigma. At some point the Qunitisons arrived and enslaved all life on Cybertron turning the indigenous peoples into slaves which they mass produced. At some point before this Primus communicated and worked with the scientist Primacron, however in their collaboration Unicron saw a method in which he could reach our universe and finally destroy his ancient enemy. He reached out to Primacron and mentally corrupted him, convincing him to make a physical form for Unicron to inhabit. Primus was unable to stop this and so Unicron's body was created which eventually grew to be the planet eating planet we know and love. After the events of Transformers the Movie, Unicron lay defeated stuck in the damaged head of his body orbiting his ancient enemy. He again reached out to Primacron to create another form for himself. This time of pure energy. (Tornedron). However Primus was able to engineer events to stop this. Allowing Grimlock to stop him. Note: This is just my own fan theory. It doens't really have any true basis in the law, however I think it makes things fit together in a cool way.... Love your videos, forgive my trolling.
The Stainless Steel Cat In that episode, Primus wasn't entered into canon yet. The inventor Primacron invented Unicron and his successor. The primitives came together and defeated this successor. It was also revealed in season three that the Quintessons were the creators of Cybertron and it's inhabitants. The notion of Primus and Unicron being deities came much later.
I see NO PROBLEM with Prime having the Matrix in Bast Wars and not having it seasons 1 and 2 of G1.I remember a guy on Siebertron who claimed that autobots had no sparks becuase it wasn't in G1
The fan website, Seibertron.com was named because in Japan, the Autobots are called Cybertrons, the Decepticons are called Destrons, and they come from the planet Seibertron (pronounced Say-ber-tron). It is, like FlamesofJagger said, one of several Transformers fan sites.
Big question -- how/why is alpha trion's life force inside the matrix for Optimus Prime in rebirth, but not for Rodimus Prime in season 3 opening? Was Alpha Trion a Prime? He did hold on to the Matrix between Sentinel Prime and Optimus prime
Reminds me of revenge of the fallen when the fallen prime/megatronus mentioned the alsparks power was absorbed by sam whitwhicky. When buster whitwhicky had the power of the creation matrix. It was possibly a hint to rotf. Well earlier on anyway. In the 80's. Comic book.
In beast wars, when optimus prime was dying and primal was attempting to save his spark rinox can be heard saying "his spark contains the matrix it's too powerful" indicating that what primal was pulling out of primes chest was in fact the matrix of leadership not a spark containment vessel. As a fan of the G1 series and beast wars it is not confusing at all. Primals body was transformed by both the power of optimus primes spark and the matrix of leadership.
REDKLOK Optimus was already in an upgraded body. I can’t give an explanation for Ultra Magnus though. I always assumed his body was also already upgraded since his toy was essentially a recolor OP with some additional armor.
I don’t believe Prime had the Matrix during seasons 1 & 2. I think Alpha Trion passed it on to Prime right before merging with Vector Sigma. This would explain its absence when Prime was duplicated and then subsequently scanned in “Prime Problem”
Yeah, I mean MatPat is known for his FNaF videos. After all, when he stops FNaF World 2 will probably come out or FNaF 7, because... I ALWAYS COME BACK...
Perhaps, Maybe Prime Theorist. I like Roddy because he knows what he's talking about and uses references from the comics as stable foundation from a theorist standpoint, and to the up loose ends.
10:52 Well, another chaotic artifact with infinite abilities, just because "WHY NOT?". Yeah-yeah, go to the Allspark, Kanohi Ignika and Infinity (IRONIC) Stones from MCU.
Do I think it was the Matrix of Leadership in BW? Yes. I do. Regardless of anyone saying it was a mistake. It was the vehicle they decided to use modifying Optimus Primal via the way Hot Rod was also modified. Consequently, the writers of Transformers the Movie could have avoided so much controversy had they retained the initial concept of Power Convoy from Diaclones. Had they made Ultra Magnus an improved Optimus Prime, most of those letters stop. Also, they could have converted other fallen autobots into new versions as well. Springer, Kup, etc. could have all been the fallen autobots we saw lose their lives unceremoniously in the film. It also would have balanced the scales of justice in the film. Why is there no death for Megatron? He gets an upgrade and lives to fight on in Season 3?
i say his spark was in the matrix during beast wars and all the minds of the Primes ,that's what I think ,when Primal took it in he got a jet form with it
i like to think the Beast Wars episode showed us that the Matrix and Primes Spark was one as soon as he was given the matrix, his life force merged with it, it would explain how Rodimus Prime saw Optimus inside the matrix. as for how Optimus would have came back to life before taking back the matrix from Rodimus Prime, maybe the Quits pulled his spark from the matrix (the heaven matrix, not the object matrix) since he was "dead"
I've always wondered if the only reason why the matrix didn't unlock for Ultra Magnus is because Unicron is considered to be the bigger threat to the universe than the Decepticons. I've also wondered if any other Autobots who were inside Unicron at the near end of the movie would be able to unlock the matrix, or would it just be always Hot Rod who would be the one to unlock it? ( I've always felt like it was too convenient for him to be in the "right place, right time" to be the one to unlock it.) The only other Autobots I know that were in there were BumbleBee, Cliffjumper, Jazz, Arcee, Springer, Ultra Magnus, and Kup. So if any one of them got their hands on the matrix & managed to unlock it, who would he/She (in Arcee's case) be called?
The comic book in the UK was fucking wild. I wish I’d read it until the end but for some reason issues were sporadic for me and it finally stopped coming to my corner shop about when Bludgeon became leader.
A Matrix isn't a physical object, its a pattern if that helps you. You could argue the Matrix of Leadership seen in the movie was just a vessel for the Matrix, the energy pattern containing the information.
awesome vid and till shown Divide and conquer where Megatron mention prime's laser core gotta be the engine or power pack which is the power source for the Autobots or Decepitcon (which require refueling or recharge) as for the matrix holder in prime probably hidden within his chest ...
The only thing that you didn't discuss about in this video was What happened to the matrix during the event of the Japanese Continuity when Rodmuis prime, kup, and blurr when into deep space and the future event of Beast Wars and Beast Machine? But that for another day because I'm really confused and curious right now but good video through 😊
I think it's simple. It's like how it was in Bayformers. Optimus has a spark but when he was given the Matrix his spark joined with it and with it still in his body he lives.
One thing can always be said about Galvatron Temper Temper lol. Always thought it interesting as to how the Transformers are granted life in each part of the media with the Creation Matrix, Vector Sigma, Allspark, and the Well of Allsparks. Then just having the matrix as a wisdom container passed from leader to leader in the cartoon. I truly think they shouldn't try to align everything together and keep each mythos with each media separate. I don't know I don't bye the reasoning that it wasn't the Matrix in Beast Wars. I think maybe since when a leader dies and he becomes one with the Matrix they could of done it as even though Prime was de-active on the ark maybe his spark became one with the Matrix. It would make sense since we don't know how long the ark had been there before it was found. So if enough time elapsed with Optimus being off line, when they found the ark, maybe a precaution kicked having his spark merge with the Matrix to make sure it is preserved until the day they were brought back online by Teletraan 1. I think that would better explain and give a good reason why Primes spark came out of the Matrix. But hey that's just a theory a Transformer's Theory.
Jase Doe according to dreamwave comics, Optimus had been the bearer of the matrix long enough that he wouldn't revert to Orion Pax/Optronix like Rodimus did in the G1 cartoon by the events of Beast Wars. We don't know how long he had been Prime in the cartoon before we met him in the first episode and that another 4 million years would go by while he was in stasis on the Ark in the series that used the Ark origin
I will have to read up on some of the comics sometime since I have only read the original Marvel run. Still I can't buy them trying to correct their mistake in Beast Wars by saying that was his Spark casing and the real Matrix was underneath smaller or not. To ad to my previous comment maybe there would be no period of time to it and it is just one of the things the Matrix does. Once the bearer goes into stasis their Spark becomes one with the Matrix to protect their Spark from likes what happened in Beast Wars with Megatron blowing Prime's head up. Then Primal not knowing anything about this did what he thought he had to do to save his ancestor by opening up Optimus' chest grabbing the Matrix and syphoning the Spark out of it when he became Optimal Optimus. I just think this would somewhat explain it better than just saying it is just a casing for the spark and maybe ad a little bit of another layer between the relationship of the Matrix and the Bearer. Then of course in the movie he still dies since he is out of stasis and his Spark would be separate again from the Matrix during that time.
Just to correct a thought. I won't say he syphoned Prime's spark from the Matrix but he absorbed Primes spark and in doing so since it was one with the Matrix he also absorb the power of that Matrix along with Pirme's spark. the Matrix giving Primal him his new form. Would kinda make it more or less like Hot Rod getting upgraded through the Matrix in the Movie. So "Arise Optimal Prime" que "The Touch." Since it was mentioned about Dreamwave talking about Prime not reverting to Orion Pax, sorry Optronix just don't sound right lol, I think I like the cartoon explanation better with Orion Pax being almost mortally wounded by Megatron then rebuilt by Alpha Trion and given the Matrix that Trion had safely hidden away between Autobot Leaders.
Jase Doe Optronix was the name that Dreamwave gave him because Hasbro didn't have the right to Orion Pax at the time. The G1 cartoon was of course co owned by Marvel and Hasbro at the time and they didn't want to run the risks of trouble
That's cool. Always interesting seeing the characters name changing as rights expire and comeback later. I knew they had the comic book deal with Marvel but don't think I realized they co-owned the cartoon I thought that was Sunbow or were they just the studio.
Great video as always. In the Rebirth, did Optimus Prime ever reclaim the Matrix from Vector Sigma or was it still in there when Cybertron was reenergized by the excess solar energy?
For the cartoon stuff/animation errors. Technically speaking, BW did have it right as Prime's spark became one with the matrix upon being chosen to have it. Per G1 season 3's FFOD episodes with Rodimus as it shows all prime's of the past are one with the matrix, Optimus included. This is further mentioned in later episodes as how the matrix returned a part of Rodimus to him when he got it back from scourge, as well as how the Matrix overrode the Quintesson programming of the zombie Optimus. The matrix having a piece of their sparks upon being its chosen wielder, meant they were literally getting a part of themselves back in how their sparks were now part of the Matrix itself. Waking Optimus up from the brainwashing as it returned a part of himself to himself. Which further explains the BW reference itself. As the matrix is the 'spark holder' for Optimus, though it's also the Matrix itself. A chosen becomes one with the matrix. Their essence being added to the collective wisdom within it. This in turn being why it 'boosts' those that were chosen to wield it. Hot Rod becoming Rodimus, Primal becoming Optimal, and in Optimus' case, going from Orion to Optimus with A3's help in creating a vessel that was worthy of the Matrix. So while it was an "animation error" as claimed, it also wasn't. And was accurate to the established lore. But as part of BW's story, much of the ancient lore wasn't always put on data tracks correctly either. Which explains the axalon crew's ignorance of it as well. But a chosen wielder is a chosen wielder, and unlike Ultra Magnus, the Matrix felt that Primal was worthy. And until Prime's body was repaired, did need to be housed in a living bot, as per how the Matrix is passed on down. Where it only goes 'inert' or 'inactive'/dormant, when not housed in a living bot or within vicinity of a living bot. Though also does seem to have a sense of humor as to how it reacts to Scourge including as mentioned how scourge was also a twisted reformat as performed by unicron. (Speaking only of the G1 animated iteration at least.) The matrix not being seen in season 1-2, can also be explained away as it was simply still within the casing within prime's torso, and cannot be damaged by most normal means. Even if prime were to explode, the only way for the Matrix itself to go "dead' or 'inactive' is for it to be without host for a prolonged duration, or to remain within a dead host for a prolonged duration. Though a host can also apparently mean a form of charge station, as it seems a host does not need to be sentient per the JG1 story points. Only that the host itself cannot be deceased and without spark or energy function to fuel and channel into the matrix as a chosen "spark" does. Which acts normally in a symbiotic relationship. The matrix gaining the essence and knowledge of that Prime, as it also grants the wisdom and strength of prime's past when it was intact and full. The lack of wheeljack or Ratchet knowing this can also be explained away as that only A3 and Optimus knew of it, as the Matrix itself was only a myth until Prime actively revealed it in TFTM as the myth being true. His core casing being both the way it was hidden, protected, and away from prying eyes so that the Matrix was only a myth until revealed. The stuff bots only told each other of, or heard of in data tracks, but never knew for certain was real until the day came it was revealed. Which can also be explained in how the Quintessons hid this truth from cybertronians when they shackled Primus into becoming a manufacturing world for them to turn this species into a manufacturing good to be sold off. They themselves being of a different techno-organic life, with origins not fully yet explored, but also harboring a hatred for other robotronic sentient life across the cosmos. Whether it be other spawned, Unicron spawned, or Primus spawned. To them, it is all something to disdain for reasons as yet ever explored. But their lies and experiments a constant cloud of confusion over the history of such worlds as oppressors of their individual developments. So TL;DR version, when Orion died to become optimus, A3 merged Pax's original spark with the matrix. Whereas with Hot Rod/Rodimus, it would only do so at death(Pax did die to become Prime, Hot Rod didn't). So in BW, Prime's spark was the matrix already. Which is why Zombie prime was 'soulless' until the matrix restored it. In season 1-2, this was only myth and the black box holding the matrix in Prime's chest was a hidden secret from everyone until it finally did need to be actually passed on in TFTM. A3 being ever so sneaky like that.
Now there's a cross-over that needs to happen even if in an Elseworlds setting. "In brightest day In our darkest hour No evil shall Escape my power Let those who Worship Unicron's dark Beware the light Of the Matrix spark"
Even rinox says this " his spark contains the matrix its too powerful" which to me fits into the lore for the matrix perfectly. The new leaders spark fuses with the matrix so their wisdom cannot be lost when they die.
The Autobot Matrix of Leadership is basically a complex and compact massive data storage unit that holds the personalities of past Autobot leaders who were downloaded into moments before death and the current Matrix holder can access their combine knowledge when the leader needs great wisdom to win whatever the current conflict is. It's also essentially a doomsday weapon for the Autobots as a last resort (light our darkest hour) measure as was when they used it to destroy Unicron and cure the Hate Plague. And as seen in Transformers The Movie when Hot Rod became Rodimus Prime, it also has limited reformatting abilities. Depending on how heavily it's used, it needs recharging from millions of years to almost immediately (ie. when they drained it during the Hate Plague incident). Some Cybertronians considers it a myth. Autobots considers it their answer to Excalibur while the Deceptions considers it to be a cursed object since it could bring about their doom. A mystical slayer of world eaters and curer of plagues.
That's my theory on the Matrix.
Damn good theory
There's only one thing I disagree with - The Decepticons have no reason to fear the Matrix. It's not meant to bring about their doom. It was made to be used by Cybertronians. In fact, a Decepticon could wield and house the matrix, as long as they weren't corrupted by Unicron.
@manofsteel33 G1 Scourge was altered/created by Unicron. That was the reason it had the effect it did, not because he was a Decepticon. It would be the equivalent of a person who sold their soul to the Devil trying to touch Holy Water.
The Decepticons physically are no different than Autobots. Any Decepticon would be just as able to handle the Matrix as Ultra Magnus did.
Mine is similar: My theory is that the matrix was originally a backup drive for the spark/personality component of some ancient leader. It was one of several artifacts, & would basically grant immortality.
Somewhere along the way that was forgotten (or was kept secret to all but a few) & it got passed down to new leaders. It does store accumulated wisdom, but as a by-product.
This explains how OP kept coming back & why he was a virtual zombie until the matrix went back in him. It also explains why Alpha Trion was inside the matrix, but in a different color scheme. He must have installed it at an earlier time (when he used a dif color scheme) & then stepped down, passing it to Optimus.
manofsteel33 I think the reason Ultra Magnus couldn't access the matrix is that it had already bonded with the next robot that came in contact with it: Hot Rod, when he caught it.
"Well, thats just Prime."
What's left of him anyway.
@@RodimusPrimal (slaps) DOH
Hehehehe
Cheetor:He’s our ancestor we got to get him repaired!!
Well, that's just Prime with a charred head.
So Optimus Prime's entire memory and personality fits on an 80s floppy disk? Yeeaaah
NotoriousNoe It should not but comic logic
That's just prime
Made in days when 1tb SD cards didn't even exist nor were imagined.
Ever heard of WinZip?
it was probably one of those weird proprietary high density types, like a floppy form factor but holds more like zip drive amounts. sony had such a format in the 90's.
You need to be brought on board for any new shows that come out. Clearly you are a great historian when it comes to Transformers lore.
I always interpreted it as the spark of each Matrix-bearer was stored in the gem when they die, and that is how it is able to store all their knowledge and restore Optimus.
Hello, Orion Pax...
@@optimusprime7046 hello Optimus Prime
@@optimusprime7046 Wait so who am I?
"Each Prime carried with him not only a Spark, but also a life giving power source called the Matrix, undiluted essence of Primus himself. The Matrix could be utilized not only imbue new creations with Sparks, but also to repair and reinvigorate those critically injured on the battlefield.It´s Power will be used at the discretion of the Prime. The Matrix also serves as a window to the past... or future."
Transformers The Ultimate guide.
This piece gives us a lot of information about the Matrix. We may say the Matrix is an Artifact which not even the Prime who holds it knows it´s full power. That is why a certian times the weilder didn´t know how or when to use it There it´s lso said in the Ultimate guide, the Matix is a piece of the Spark of Primus. So we can tell it´s still a sacred Powerful artifact for the transformers.
As usual a great Video my Friend. Intresing fact, how in Beast Wars a mistake was made, and then they had to correct it.
In beast wars rinox warns primal about primes spark saying " his spark CONTAINS the matrix it too powerful" meaning they knew he carried the matrix of leadership and that it was fused with optimus primes spark. It was both the power of primes spark and the matrix of leadership that transformed primal into optimal optimus.
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The day he dies will be even more tragic than Optimus Prime's 1986 movie death. No one could possibly live up to his legacy, or at least not in the same way.
Buzzy bee okay thanks
Personally for G1, I think Optimus originally never took the matrix with him to earth he took the retrofit spark holder as a decoy incase a decepticon knew what it was (or thought it was the matrix, giving him a backdoor to return if destroyed), because when escaping Cybertron he had no idea when or if he would return and suspected that the decepticons would attack the ark and decided that taking the matrix with him was too risky as it was likely the decepticons would destroy him outright and with autobots left on Cybertron there would at least be the chance for another Prime should his mission fail.
His matrix style spark holder is then irreparably damaged in "divide and conquer" so when he is cloned in "a prime problem", it isn't there so he doesn't have an easy way to prove his identity. Then at some point after that and prior to the movie, he retrieved the real matrix and Ratchet First Aid and Sparkplug repaired his chest properly as human technological advancements made it easier to replicate Cybertronian components, though some parts still needed to be manufactured else where like Metroplexs transforming cog (either due to materials needed for construction or to stop centralisation to prevent decepticons disruption of a supply chain)
Thanks for this video. Optimus Prime is my favorite hero. I can't wait to see more.
My theory is that Prime's spark had merged with the matrix as all previous welders, giving the current bearer across to their knowledge, wisdom, experiences, etc. That would retcon beast wars in another way different from Primeval Dawn. Also why Optimus could be controlled by the Quintessons in Dark Awakening since he was a soulless puppet like Age of Extinction Galvatron. That theory would require unnerving for events like Rodimus giving it back, I realize.
A great compilation video, always fun learning about the Japanese shows. I also sigh in exasperation about Prime Wars trilogy. A stain on the franchise, animation, and story telling.
What's Primeval Dawn?
Primus Productions the 3H comic that retcons the Matrix and Optimus prime's spark casing. Mentioned at 16 min point.
15:50 I didn't know that the head He-Man writers were show runners for a Transformers series. That's pretty cool trivia.
Actually, I remember Rhynox saying that Optimus Prime's spark was contained within the Matrix of Leadership.
His exact words where "his spark contains the matrix its too powerful" so what we see in beast wars in the matrix of leadership and it was the combined power of primes spark, the matrix, and primals transmetal body that allowed him to not just survive the transfer but what forced his body to transform to handle the sheer power it now contained.
The Matrix of Leadership could not be detected unless the holder chose to pass it. Just like in the case of A PRIME PROBLEM.
Hehe yeah.. where Megatron just so happens to have a remote control Optimus cloning machine tucked into his bedroom closet.. suspicious? Nah.. Hey Megs.. what's with all the French maid uniforms?
Oh man...shout out to being old! Thanx Roddy! Another great vid. Man, we have seen this Matrix thing just go nuts. Remember the good ol days, when Season 1 and 2 were rocking along, and did not even have or know about a stinking Matrix!! Lol..smh..so much water under the bridge man!..till all r 1
i miss the transformers g1 cartoon
It's on Tubi tv
YUP
@manofsteel33 I respect g1, but I got into the series with animated, witch had a mutch smaller, but in my opinion way more fleshed out cast, and an interesting new take on Optimus Prime, and had in my opinion, the best starscream, best Megatron, best ratchet, best bumblebee, and a bunch of references to Transformers passed, even beast wars characters make cameos, the only thing that was missing was combiners, witch were planned for. The shows 4th season, but, it was cancelled
To bad
Me 2oo
At 16:13 when you referenced the g1 episode, what I think happened was the Matrix was tucked further in Optimus's chest like when he transformers into truck mode like we see in other episodes where Spike and Sparkplug ride in hin
Well, regardless of where it was or what it does or even what they call it, the Matrix of leadership is an awesome and intriguing object that we're all glad was added to the lore. It gets a better reception than The all spark, anyway.
This was absolutely Amazing seeing all the old comics and different series. I loved the Transformers as a Kid and still enjoy them. thank you for sharing such a great video.
Thanks!
the beast wars one is just an error or a unique take on the matrix. when they are talking about moving it, rhinox first says "we'll never make it, his spark is already joining the matrix" but then tells primal "His spark has the matrix with it, it's too powerful" . so it sounds like it's both separate and a part of the matrix at the same time. like his spark "holds" the matrix while he lives, but then when he dies, it gets absorbed by it. that's how i interpreted it when i first watched it.
This is a perfect example of George Lucas writing: creating something after the fact and saying, "I thought of it the entire time"
Good video. I can tell lots of research went into it. Well done.
Thanks! All of my videos I really try and research as much as I can.
Very interesting video, buddy! For someone like me that missed out on more or less all of the comics, as well as a massive portion of the cartoons, this is pure gold! Thanks :)
I love Hot Rod. His fun-loving attitude makes me proud! I love this line " All right, Hot Rod is back, let's party!"
I have a theory that the Cybertronian Creation Matrix was possibly intended for all Transformers, but over time the Autobot faction began to hog it until they achieved a monopoly. It could serve as a major motivator for Decepticon angst and animosity, as well as a source of guilt for Optimus.
My original head-canon prior to my discovery of "Primeval Dawn" was that Orion Pax inherited The Matrix upon his conversion to Optimus, Carried it throughout most of The Great War, And left it on Cybertron (Possibly safeguarded by Alpha Trion and/or The female Autobots) prior to the Ark launch as a precaution in any event Prime would be missing. At an undisclosed time between 1985 and 2005, The Matrix was recovered from Cybertron.
This was my hypothesis for The Matrix being absent from Prime's person between The Ark Launch and the year 2005.
What is Primeval Dawn?
Just my head canon, but I like to think that Alpha Trion (to protect Cyberton from Unicron) had the Matrix when Optimus and the majority of the Autobots left Cybertron 4M years
ago.
Yep, that's what I think too
So each Transformer has their own spark which gives them life. A leader holds the Matrix which is, more or less, a Super USB that has an auto save function that accumulates all of experience and knowledge gained until it's time to pass it on to another. When transferred to a new leader, the Matrix also has an upgrade feature that enhances the new leader in order for that Transformer to be able to utilise that knowledge and experience in a practical way instantly.
Another great commentary video! It actually taught to me a lot of information!
And I thought I knew a lot about Transformers. Especially the ones from the 80's but you're got me beat with all of the Data mining you've been doing. I had over a hundred of them when I was young. I wish I had them now.
Nice info here, truly love absorbing a lot of new info I wasn't aware existed. Keep 'em coming!!!
14:39 that WASN'T the Matrix, it was just the all spark put in a special container.
Great video as always 👍
Thanks again!
I love this channel, so much lore to a series I always liked
When it comes to Beast Wars, I like to think that the actual Matrix was being carried by a unknown individual in the proper timeline, with Prime's Spark holder taking place of the Matrix to avoid some sort of continuity error, as the matrix couldn't have been in two places at once
In Mmpr Season 2, Jason, Zack, Trini or Red Black Yellow Rangers. Passed the powers by the sword of light by Tommy, the white ranger. To Rocky, Adam, Aisha. As the new Red, Black, Yellow Rangers.
I love that you can't hide your hatred for the Prime Wars Trilogy cartoon series! Yeah it was definitely back to the drawing board for that series!
Yeah that series was not my cup of tea. Especially how they handled Rodimus Prime....grumble grumble
@@RodimusPrimal Your boy Rodimus seems to get done dirty a lot.
that was the Matrix of leadership Optimus Prime had in Divide in Conquer of beast wars!
0:50 Anyone else see the matrix go in there and then its back in magnus’s hands and THEN he puts it in
He had to adjust it because it did not fit right. This was something added that was part of the foreshadowing that Ultra Magnus was not to be the permanent leader.
Where was the Matrix when the Megatron created a perfect exact copy of Optimus Prime? There was a pretty good shot of inside his chest in the episode “The Prime Problem”.
I kind of explain that in my Nemesis Prime video.
I loved how they played the song from the debut of Rodimus prime when Optimus use the energy of the matrix to cure the hate plague in the return of Optimus prime two-parter.
My theory is that half of primals spark was merged from the matrix which is how he became a prime with the matrix still having the power to being passed with other rightful owners, and as you said, the matrix can obly be passed with the rightful owner, i think primal is one of the rightful owner which is how he can get hold of the matrix but he didnt want to change the future for being the leader of the autobots instead he gave it to prime, i think hes intent is to fix the matrix for it to work again by fusing half of hes spark into the matrix.
Btw great video you managed to fit both the g1 and th beast wars into one video, and i i have known how the matrix work, keep up the giid work
There was another error in beast wars you completely missed Rhinox said as primal took primes spark "This spark has the matrix with it, it's too powerful."
I personally think the whole Spark Casing idea is a perfect way to hide the real Matrix of Leadership from the likes of the Decepticons. Great video! And still, I must say...
*TILL ALL ARE ONE!!!*
One little thing, in Beast Wars Rhinox clearly mentions that Optimus Prime's spark contains the matrix when he realizes that Primal intends to place it within himself.
What Rhinox states there isn't actually true. The show runners confirmed that later on and had the Botcon comic to confirm it.
However his spark containing the matrix would explain how he was able to be returned to life, since Rodimus was basically hosting his spark the whole time, like Primal did while they repaired his head. The zombie version was a sparkless Prime, and the reason he acted like he did was because his spark was trying to reconnect with his body and override what the Quintessons did.
Jason Gager that wouldnt explain how emptying the Matrix didn't kill Prime when he used up its energy to cure the Hate Plague. The fact remains that it is his spark holder that is shaped like the Matrix as a decoy.
4:49
Yes, his “upgrade”. This amazing new design, he got taller
So I was playing around with my Titan return figures this week when I was reminded of the episode, City of Steel.
For those who don't remember this one its where Megatron takes over New York and starts to turn it into New Cybertron. Part of the episode Prime is caught in Central park with a pit trap, then Megatron orders the autobots to retreat or he'd melt Prime down for scrap.
Later megatron does have Prime dismantled. His head is left on a shelf as is his feet. His right arm and gun are placed on the outside of the Empire state building as a defensive turret. And the rest of him is turned into a giant robot alligator. which is given a basic vehicon brain and turned loose in the sewers.
This got me wondering. How could the Constructicons miss the matrix chamber when they used primes body for the Gatorcon.
Oh for any one who wants to know. I was thinking of what to do with an extra Skullsmasher. When the thought of painting him into Optimus/Gator Prime figure. came to me.
Love your videos great work.
Now darken their brightest hours.
I just assumed that when a Prime puts the Matrix in their chest their spark bonds with it and that's why it was in the Matrix during Beast Wars. I never thought more about it than that.
Dont forget that in beastwars that rinox warns primal against trying to contain primes spark in his body by saying " his spark contains the matrix its too powerful". Not sure how anyone can say it wasn't the matrix at that point.
Great video I like it very much. I understand a lot of things thank you.
When I saw the Transformers Animated movie, I was really surprised on so many things.
1. The arrival of Unicron and the lack of his backstory therein.
2. The death of Optimus Prime and some G1 Transformers.
3. Weren't there 5 Dinobots?Why is it that only 4 were shown in the movie?
4. There are so many mechanized animals wherever the transformers go such as robotic octopus and sharks.
5. The Quintessons (who were the creators of the Transformers) doesn't seem to realize that Hot Rod and Kupp are Transformers considering that they have Autobot insignia.
6. How did the Decepticons were always able to reach the Autobot ships that they were planning to ambush despite the long,light years of gap between them?
Not to mention why no Menosaur, or Bruticus during fight on Earth.
Ron Friedman, a name and face to all the blame of Prime's death.
Now the question that is left to be answered is, how did Optimus Primal got the matrix of leadership before beast wars?
The Matrix of Leadership, a literal torch to be passed down
Optimus Primes entire memory was around 1.44MB? 😳 Maybe unzipped something like 3MB? Maybe more if there is lots of empty characters 😂 Windows 3.1 came on 6 floppy disks and Windows 95 came on 30 floppy disks, but prime only needed one! Imagine if there was a bad sector on the disk 😱
So How Does The Creation Matrix Work Cause what I Understand Is That You Give It To A Vehicle Then It Becomes A Cybertronian Version Of That Vehicle With Your Personality So If Gave A Lamborghini The Creation Matrix It Would Be My Friend And Have My Personality?
I always figured that Primes spark had been merged with the matrix during beast wars since he was so badly damaged.
You overlooked the fact that Primacron's "assistant" in "Call of the Primitives" seemed to look exactly like the Matrix of Leadership. As for where the matrix actually was during season 1/2 of the show, I believe it was stored somewhere besides within Optimus (maybe somewhere on Cybertron, in Alpha Trion's possession). Optimus didn't require it to become what he was, since his updated form was a result of A3 fixing him (maybe guided by the matrix however).
I actually saved that on purpose for another video.
Some alternate thoughts about the Beast Wars Matrix thing...
Rodimus had to be incapacitated to use the Matrix to enter the afterlife. Maybe since Optimus was in a (very long) coma during the events of Beast Wars, his spark was actually in there at the time.
This explanation admittedly works a little better for G1 since it never necessarily showed a spark as a physical object, whereas in Beast Wars we do see this, or at least spark chambers. Still, it's something that's made of energy, so I don't see why it can't move around in a body.
It fits with the spiritual underpinnings of the idea pretty well. A spark is more or less the transformer equivalent of the human idea of a soul -- that there is some energy or essence of a person that animates a physical body, but isn't the body in itself. The Dreamwave guidbook described sparks as being spread through a transformer's body in this way. If that was the case (at least for G1 transformers) it's plausible that the spark of an Autobot leader would rest in the Matrix (or be accessible through it at least) while incapacitated.
It's also possible that an Autobot leader's spark would animate the Matrix in some way while he holds it as a part of him -- at the very least we know that the Matrix contained a measure of the essense of Rodimus (he was Hot Rod without it). Maybe whatever part of the Matrix that had a similar (if invisible) effect on Prime. The point here is that there's a sense that the leader is "one" with the Matrix in some way, arguably a part of his body, so once again Prime's life force could reasonably be a part of it.
When I think about that the episode doesn't strike me as an animation error so much as something that could have been worded better.
You missed the weird G1 S3 episode where grim lock stops the 'creater' of unicron from destroying all life, and the matrix shows up claiming to be his old lab assistant. Though this is probably for the best. ;)
I didn't miss Call of the Primitives, I left that for another discussion.
I know. This video was great, I'm not criticizing. As I'm sure you know Call of the Primitives is a very weird episode, and quite hard to resolve with the law, both in the G1 cartoon continuity and the expanded G1 continuity. Best watched when high on sugar as I did when I was a kid. It attempts to create an origin story for both the Matrix and Unicron but ended up creating more plot holes than it fills.
My personal way of explaining it is as follows: Primus and Unicron are extra dimensional beings descended from 'The One'. They fight and Primus ended up wounded in our universe. Slowly matter collected around him to create the planet Cybertron, and as life evolved on him naturally he reached out and communicated with it, via the matrix and the creation of Vector Sigma.
At some point the Qunitisons arrived and enslaved all life on Cybertron turning the indigenous peoples into slaves which they mass produced.
At some point before this Primus communicated and worked with the scientist Primacron, however in their collaboration Unicron saw a method in which he could reach our universe and finally destroy his ancient enemy. He reached out to Primacron and mentally corrupted him, convincing him to make a physical form for Unicron to inhabit. Primus was unable to stop this and so Unicron's body was created which eventually grew to be the planet eating planet we know and love.
After the events of Transformers the Movie, Unicron lay defeated stuck in the damaged head of his body orbiting his ancient enemy. He again reached out to Primacron to create another form for himself. This time of pure energy. (Tornedron). However Primus was able to engineer events to stop this. Allowing Grimlock to stop him.
Note: This is just my own fan theory. It doens't really have any true basis in the law, however I think it makes things fit together in a cool way....
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In that episode, Primus wasn't entered into canon yet. The inventor Primacron invented Unicron and his successor. The primitives came together and defeated this successor. It was also revealed in season three that the Quintessons were the creators of Cybertron and it's inhabitants. The notion of Primus and Unicron being deities came much later.
And some of the best animation of the entire series.
What if Primacons assistant is Primus. (Not an original theory, saw it in a video)
Good video!
Thanks! God bless you and your family and thank you for your service!
I see NO PROBLEM with Prime having the Matrix in Bast Wars and not having it seasons 1 and 2 of G1.I remember a guy on Siebertron who claimed that autobots had no sparks becuase it wasn't in G1
Dan Wynne it spelled as "Cybertron", not "Siebertron"
Steve Pelt He was referring to the website Siebertron.com, one of the many Transformers community fan sites
The fan website, Seibertron.com was named because in Japan, the Autobots are called Cybertrons, the Decepticons are called Destrons, and they come from the planet Seibertron (pronounced Say-ber-tron). It is, like FlamesofJagger said, one of several Transformers fan sites.
Big question -- how/why is alpha trion's life force inside the matrix for Optimus Prime in rebirth, but not for Rodimus Prime in season 3 opening?
Was Alpha Trion a Prime? He did hold on to the Matrix between Sentinel Prime and Optimus prime
The Matrix is a conduit to Primus and the afterlife. Since Alpha Trion died, he was speaking to Prime from there.
Heh, I'm a pepper! Would you like to be a pepper too?!
Reminds me of revenge of the fallen when the fallen prime/megatronus mentioned the alsparks power was absorbed by sam whitwhicky.
When buster whitwhicky had the power of the creation matrix. It was possibly a hint to rotf. Well earlier on anyway. In the 80's. Comic book.
OP: Okay Rodimus Prime give me the matrix
RP: Uhhh
OP: You lost it again, right?
RP: *Nodding yes*
OP: *facepalming* Primus damit
In beast wars, when optimus prime was dying and primal was attempting to save his spark rinox can be heard saying "his spark contains the matrix it's too powerful" indicating that what primal was pulling out of primes chest was in fact the matrix of leadership not a spark containment vessel. As a fan of the G1 series and beast wars it is not confusing at all. Primals body was transformed by both the power of optimus primes spark and the matrix of leadership.
The show runners admitted that this was their mistake though and Rhinox misspoke. That's why they retconned it with it being his spark holder.
ah thank you! ive been wondering where the diverging point of the Japanese continuity happened!
I wanted to know ever since I saw the movie in '86, why do some Transformers upgrade when holding it while others seem to have no effects at all?
REDKLOK Optimus was already in an upgraded body. I can’t give an explanation for Ultra Magnus though. I always assumed his body was also already upgraded since his toy was essentially a recolor OP with some additional armor.
@@REPVILE That, and Magnus was never the successor to Optimus Prime, and thus the matrix.
Well done.
Good info. But where was the Matrix in the G1 episode, a prime problem?
I have a theory on that one that I intend to cover in a future video!
I don’t believe Prime had the Matrix during seasons 1 & 2. I think Alpha Trion passed it on to Prime right before merging with Vector Sigma. This would explain its absence when Prime was duplicated and then subsequently scanned in “Prime Problem”
Good theory!😎👍🤔😎
@@ChibiProwl Thanks
@@Norrisc761 you’re welcome.
You're like the MatPat of Transformers theories
+SilverShadowGames Perhaps, “Cybertron Theorist”?
hey, RodimusPrimal isn't a horrible theorist who made mistakes and bad theories....I do like MatPat though
Yeah, I mean MatPat is known for his FNaF videos. After all, when he stops FNaF World 2 will probably come out or FNaF 7, because... I ALWAYS COME BACK...
Perhaps, Maybe Prime Theorist. I like Roddy because he knows what he's talking about and uses references from the comics as stable foundation from a theorist standpoint, and to the up loose ends.
10:52 Well, another chaotic artifact with infinite abilities, just because "WHY NOT?". Yeah-yeah, go to the Allspark, Kanohi Ignika and Infinity (IRONIC) Stones from MCU.
The better question I think, is what happened to the matrix when Prime was turned into a alligator? tfwiki.net/wiki/Alligaticon
Something I should definitely cover in the future.
Do I think it was the Matrix of Leadership in BW? Yes. I do. Regardless of anyone saying it was a mistake. It was the vehicle they decided to use modifying Optimus Primal via the way Hot Rod was also modified.
Consequently, the writers of Transformers the Movie could have avoided so much controversy had they retained the initial concept of Power Convoy from Diaclones. Had they made Ultra Magnus an improved Optimus Prime, most of those letters stop. Also, they could have converted other fallen autobots into new versions as well. Springer, Kup, etc. could have all been the fallen autobots we saw lose their lives unceremoniously in the film.
It also would have balanced the scales of justice in the film. Why is there no death for Megatron? He gets an upgrade and lives to fight on in Season 3?
Nice man love your vids 😃🖒🍻
Music at 1:14 ???
My intro? It's from Tony Bacala of TFW2005. Link is in the description.
This would also explain why rodimus seemed to keep losing the matrix, he didn't have a fake cover to hide it
I would make an Ultra Magnus joke...
But I can't deal with that now
Alright hot rod is back lets party!!!!
Do one on the primes
They have so much to unpack there
i say his spark was in the matrix during beast wars and all the minds of the Primes ,that's what I think ,when Primal took it in he got a jet form with it
RODIMUS PRIMAL:primus the core and creator of the transformers
Quintisons: are we joke to you?
i like to think the Beast Wars episode showed us that the Matrix and Primes Spark was one as soon as he was given the matrix, his life force merged with it, it would explain how Rodimus Prime saw Optimus inside the matrix. as for how Optimus would have came back to life before taking back the matrix from Rodimus Prime, maybe the Quits pulled his spark from the matrix (the heaven matrix, not the object matrix) since he was "dead"
I've always wondered if the only reason why the matrix didn't unlock for Ultra Magnus is because Unicron is considered to be the bigger threat to the universe than the Decepticons. I've also wondered if any other Autobots who were inside Unicron at the near end of the movie would be able to unlock the matrix, or would it just be always Hot Rod who would be the one to unlock it? ( I've always felt like it was too convenient for him to be in the "right place, right time" to be the one to unlock it.) The only other Autobots I know that were in there were BumbleBee, Cliffjumper, Jazz, Arcee, Springer, Ultra Magnus, and Kup. So if any one of them got their hands on the matrix & managed to unlock it, who would he/She (in Arcee's case) be called?
The comic book in the UK was fucking wild. I wish I’d read it until the end but for some reason issues were sporadic for me and it finally stopped coming to my corner shop about when Bludgeon became leader.
A Matrix isn't a physical object, its a pattern if that helps you. You could argue the Matrix of Leadership seen in the movie was just a vessel for the Matrix, the energy pattern containing the information.
awesome vid and till shown Divide and conquer where Megatron mention prime's laser core gotta be the engine or power pack which is the power source for the Autobots or Decepitcon (which require refueling or recharge) as for the matrix holder in prime probably hidden within his chest ...
The only thing that you didn't discuss about in this video was What happened to the matrix during the event of the Japanese Continuity when Rodmuis prime, kup, and blurr when into deep space and the future event of Beast Wars and Beast Machine? But that for another day because I'm really confused and curious right now but good video through 😊
I think it's simple. It's like how it was in Bayformers. Optimus has a spark but when he was given the Matrix his spark joined with it and with it still in his body he lives.
One thing can always be said about Galvatron Temper Temper lol. Always thought it interesting as to how the Transformers are granted life in each part of the media with the Creation Matrix, Vector Sigma, Allspark, and the Well of Allsparks. Then just having the matrix as a wisdom container passed from leader to leader in the cartoon. I truly think they shouldn't try to align everything together and keep each mythos with each media separate. I don't know I don't bye the reasoning that it wasn't the Matrix in Beast Wars. I think maybe since when a leader dies and he becomes one with the Matrix they could of done it as even though Prime was de-active on the ark maybe his spark became one with the Matrix. It would make sense since we don't know how long the ark had been there before it was found. So if enough time elapsed with Optimus being off line, when they found the ark, maybe a precaution kicked having his spark merge with the Matrix to make sure it is preserved until the day they were brought back online by Teletraan 1. I think that would better explain and give a good reason why Primes spark came out of the Matrix. But hey that's just a theory a Transformer's Theory.
Jase Doe according to dreamwave comics, Optimus had been the bearer of the matrix long enough that he wouldn't revert to Orion Pax/Optronix like Rodimus did in the G1 cartoon by the events of Beast Wars. We don't know how long he had been Prime in the cartoon before we met him in the first episode and that another 4 million years would go by while he was in stasis on the Ark in the series that used the Ark origin
I will have to read up on some of the comics sometime since I have only read the original Marvel run. Still I can't buy them trying to correct their mistake in Beast Wars by saying that was his Spark casing and the real Matrix was underneath smaller or not. To ad to my previous comment maybe there would be no period of time to it and it is just one of the things the Matrix does. Once the bearer goes into stasis their Spark becomes one with the Matrix to protect their Spark from likes what happened in Beast Wars with Megatron blowing Prime's head up. Then Primal not knowing anything about this did what he thought he had to do to save his ancestor by opening up Optimus' chest grabbing the Matrix and syphoning the Spark out of it when he became Optimal Optimus. I just think this would somewhat explain it better than just saying it is just a casing for the spark and maybe ad a little bit of another layer between the relationship of the Matrix and the Bearer. Then of course in the movie he still dies since he is out of stasis and his Spark would be separate again from the Matrix during that time.
Just to correct a thought. I won't say he syphoned Prime's spark from the Matrix but he absorbed Primes spark and in doing so since it was one with the Matrix he also absorb the power of that Matrix along with Pirme's spark. the Matrix giving Primal him his new form. Would kinda make it more or less like Hot Rod getting upgraded through the Matrix in the Movie. So "Arise Optimal Prime" que "The Touch." Since it was mentioned about Dreamwave talking about Prime not reverting to Orion Pax, sorry Optronix just don't sound right lol, I think I like the cartoon explanation better with Orion Pax being almost mortally wounded by Megatron then rebuilt by Alpha Trion and given the Matrix that Trion had safely hidden away between Autobot Leaders.
Jase Doe Optronix was the name that Dreamwave gave him because Hasbro didn't have the right to Orion Pax at the time. The G1 cartoon was of course co owned by Marvel and Hasbro at the time and they didn't want to run the risks of trouble
That's cool. Always interesting seeing the characters name changing as rights expire and comeback later. I knew they had the comic book deal with Marvel but don't think I realized they co-owned the cartoon I thought that was Sunbow or were they just the studio.
Great video as always. In the Rebirth, did Optimus Prime ever reclaim the Matrix from Vector Sigma or was it still in there when Cybertron was reenergized by the excess solar energy?
For the cartoon stuff/animation errors. Technically speaking, BW did have it right as Prime's spark became one with the matrix upon being chosen to have it. Per G1 season 3's FFOD episodes with Rodimus as it shows all prime's of the past are one with the matrix, Optimus included. This is further mentioned in later episodes as how the matrix returned a part of Rodimus to him when he got it back from scourge, as well as how the Matrix overrode the Quintesson programming of the zombie Optimus. The matrix having a piece of their sparks upon being its chosen wielder, meant they were literally getting a part of themselves back in how their sparks were now part of the Matrix itself. Waking Optimus up from the brainwashing as it returned a part of himself to himself. Which further explains the BW reference itself. As the matrix is the 'spark holder' for Optimus, though it's also the Matrix itself. A chosen becomes one with the matrix. Their essence being added to the collective wisdom within it. This in turn being why it 'boosts' those that were chosen to wield it. Hot Rod becoming Rodimus, Primal becoming Optimal, and in Optimus' case, going from Orion to Optimus with A3's help in creating a vessel that was worthy of the Matrix.
So while it was an "animation error" as claimed, it also wasn't. And was accurate to the established lore. But as part of BW's story, much of the ancient lore wasn't always put on data tracks correctly either. Which explains the axalon crew's ignorance of it as well. But a chosen wielder is a chosen wielder, and unlike Ultra Magnus, the Matrix felt that Primal was worthy. And until Prime's body was repaired, did need to be housed in a living bot, as per how the Matrix is passed on down. Where it only goes 'inert' or 'inactive'/dormant, when not housed in a living bot or within vicinity of a living bot. Though also does seem to have a sense of humor as to how it reacts to Scourge including as mentioned how scourge was also a twisted reformat as performed by unicron. (Speaking only of the G1 animated iteration at least.)
The matrix not being seen in season 1-2, can also be explained away as it was simply still within the casing within prime's torso, and cannot be damaged by most normal means. Even if prime were to explode, the only way for the Matrix itself to go "dead' or 'inactive' is for it to be without host for a prolonged duration, or to remain within a dead host for a prolonged duration. Though a host can also apparently mean a form of charge station, as it seems a host does not need to be sentient per the JG1 story points. Only that the host itself cannot be deceased and without spark or energy function to fuel and channel into the matrix as a chosen "spark" does. Which acts normally in a symbiotic relationship. The matrix gaining the essence and knowledge of that Prime, as it also grants the wisdom and strength of prime's past when it was intact and full. The lack of wheeljack or Ratchet knowing this can also be explained away as that only A3 and Optimus knew of it, as the Matrix itself was only a myth until Prime actively revealed it in TFTM as the myth being true. His core casing being both the way it was hidden, protected, and away from prying eyes so that the Matrix was only a myth until revealed. The stuff bots only told each other of, or heard of in data tracks, but never knew for certain was real until the day came it was revealed. Which can also be explained in how the Quintessons hid this truth from cybertronians when they shackled Primus into becoming a manufacturing world for them to turn this species into a manufacturing good to be sold off. They themselves being of a different techno-organic life, with origins not fully yet explored, but also harboring a hatred for other robotronic sentient life across the cosmos. Whether it be other spawned, Unicron spawned, or Primus spawned. To them, it is all something to disdain for reasons as yet ever explored. But their lies and experiments a constant cloud of confusion over the history of such worlds as oppressors of their individual developments.
So TL;DR version, when Orion died to become optimus, A3 merged Pax's original spark with the matrix. Whereas with Hot Rod/Rodimus, it would only do so at death(Pax did die to become Prime, Hot Rod didn't). So in BW, Prime's spark was the matrix already. Which is why Zombie prime was 'soulless' until the matrix restored it. In season 1-2, this was only myth and the black box holding the matrix in Prime's chest was a hidden secret from everyone until it finally did need to be actually passed on in TFTM. A3 being ever so sneaky like that.
Ultra Magnus never got a "prime upgrade". what would his name of been if he did? Ultrius Prime?
Well technically he already did with his armor. But perhaps Magnus Prime.
Ever notice how the return of Optimus Prime Rodimus Prime does not revert to Hotrod.
...you missed an opportunity to use the Green Lanterns as an example. 👍😉
Considering that the Marvel Comics version does look like a Green Lantern symbol, yeah I guess I did.
RodimusPrimal 👍😊
Now there's a cross-over that needs to happen even if in an Elseworlds setting. "In brightest day In our darkest hour No evil shall Escape my power Let those who Worship Unicron's dark Beware the light Of the Matrix spark"
I was under the belief that sparks join the matrix so beastwars was right that is the matrix
Even rinox says this " his spark contains the matrix its too powerful" which to me fits into the lore for the matrix perfectly. The new leaders spark fuses with the matrix so their wisdom cannot be lost when they die.
ya gotta live up to my expectations roadimus prime don't let me down!
During Divide and Conquer, a question I have now is: Which Autobot on site would have taken the Matrix?
Probably Prowl. He was Optimus Prime’s 2IC.