Who Became Cyclonus? Was it Skywarp, Bombshell, or both?
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- One of the most debated topics in all of Transformers, Who Became Cyclonus? Was is the Decepticon jet, Skywarp? Was it the cerebral Insecticon, Bombshell? Was it both?
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One of the most debated topics in all of Transformers, Who Became Cyclonus? Was is the Decepticon jet, Skywarp? Was it the cerebral Insecticon, Bombshell? Was it both?
TFCON LA had some of the creators of the movie as special guests. One of them said the intention was always for Cyclonus to be built from Skywarp. So it's official now.
I disagree
I always believed that
@@CIIncProds what...that cyclonus was made from skywarps body
Yes
@@CIIncProds well he wasn't...he was made from bombshells body...cause bombshells body was in front of skywarp before begin changed...same with thundercracker...his dead body was in the middle
Skywarp and Thundercracker were of higher rank than the lowly Insecticons. Megatron looked at the Insecticons as annoying pests. So it makes sense that the Insecticons became The Sweeps.
Skywarp became Cyclonus.
Thundercracker became Scourge while the Insecticons become The Sweeps.
If it were up to me, Reflector should have become Cyclonus’ Armada.
Agree. Reflector trio are loyal as well.
make a lot of sense to me
I thought Insecticon Bombshell became Cyclonus.
I agree with this theory on Thundercracker, and Skywarp becoming Scorge, and Cyclonus. I'm a HUGE G1 fan, and I still love that series more than the new Movies today. Actually I only seen the 1st. I just could not follow 🤷🏾♂️
I agree. That'd make more sense for Skywarp instead of Bombshell to becoming Cyclonus.
Actually, at TFCON 2019, I asked the animator who was Cyclonus and he confirmed that it was Skywarp. So that means your theory was right.
I knew it.
So what was his explanation for the second Cyclonus, and for Skywarp being in the background and Bombshell in the main position of the frame?
The animators made so many mistakes that I would NOT take their word for it...
He didn’t think up the story, did he? Skyward is too dumb to be cyclonus
Than why was Bombshell in the front and acted as if he was Cyclonus?
For me skywarp is cyclonus because it is more appropriate for bombshell and the other insecticons to be the sweeps and Thundercracker and skywarp are always close like scourge and cyclonus but thats my opinion
A better reason, the Insecticons possessed the ability to multiple by creating clones. The Sweeps had the same ability. That´s the reason their number is increasing during the Movie and season 3.
But neither Cyclonus or Scourge seemed to possess that ability.
With that logic then Scourge is Kickback. But Thundercracker is in the front right? Where is Bombshell? Also when Unicron said Cyclonus The Warrior the Cyclonus that was Bombshell Transformed and the Cyclonus that was Skywarp Transformed after he said and his Armada. More proof that your theory is wrong. Unicron rebuilt and reformated them. So explain to me what is reformatting? I'll tell you give a new format to; revise or represent in another format. Case closed Cyclonus was Bombshell
Yes I believe Cyclonus is Skywarp with the intelligence of Bombshell,seems the most "Logical" to me.
Actually skywarp has been confirmed to be scourge
If Shockwave said it, then well it is true.
It would really make more sence if Cyclonus was once Skywarp. Then, the Season 3 Ghost Starscream Episodes would make sence. Starscream possesed both Cyclonus and Scourge, who once were Skywarp and Thundercracker, his seeker comrades and same bodytype. This would be a nice easter egg.
sense*
It also makes sense since Starscream was their former commander. Why posses someone you don't know. Starscream wouldn't know Bombshell too well, so Skywarp seems more likely.
@@BLKBRDSR71 possess*
@@BLKBRDSR71 Why no memory of former self? Starscream possessed Astrotrain, A Sweep and Trypticon (He wouldn't know him that well)
very Logical and makes sense so yeah
I personally believe it’s Skywarp because while yes he isn’t as intelligent as bombshell and Cyclonus, remember Unicorn upgraded their bodies meaning he could have gotten smarter.
That also means Unicron could have altered Bombshell's loyalty to Galvatron but that doesn't matter since Cyclonus was confirmed to having been Skywarp.
Bro, Bombshell has guts and brains, He’s an insecticon!
Also the ridiculously inconsistent number of Sweeps in Season 3 fits with the Insecticons' cloning abilities. They can actively 'reproduce' when it's required of them.
I still believe that Skywarp was transformed into Cyclonus.
Me too
I agree
Of course, obviously skywarp is cyclonus, while bombshell is "and his armada"
Soundwave: Skywarp Superior, Bombshell Inferior
Unicron said NEW TROOPS TO COMMAND! That means troops Megatron has NEVER had before. So CYCLONUS IS NOT SKYWARP OR BOMBSHELL. He's a NEW DECEPTICON! THIS IS THE TRUE ANSWER! EVERYTHING ELSE IS WRONG🤓
yes
Personally, As a kid, I figured the Decepticons were dead and Unicron made their bodies into new loyal capable warriors. They are so far removed from their original counterparts that they were never the original guys to me.
That was my thinking as well. Sort of like Good looking Unicron Zombies of the classical sense.
They certainly are far removed. Their programming is very different. In Beast Machines, Tankor, Thrust, and Jetstorm behave completely different than Rhinox, Waspinator, and Silverbolt respectively, though they do remember what they did once the real them came out.
RodimusPrimal
I always did like Waspinator. Still wondering how he ended up on Cybertron since he was left behind on Earth as the only functional Cybertronian.
RodimusPrimal the reprogramming theory is good as well but Beast Wars/ Beast Machines had better continuity than G1. G1 never explained anything and that's why we're having videos like this.
EclipseWarlord My best guess is he left Earth and flew through space on his own flight power alone. With his quote "took forever, but was worth it" I think it took millions of years for him to get to Cybertron, meaning that when he got there, Cybertron was well into the time period he came from
Team skywarp
This is not that kind of thing. Stop drawing battle lines over pure miscellany.
I like to think the purple jet turns into the purple spaceship and the one with shell in his name turns into the shellformer
Bombshell became a sweep and skywarp became Cyclones
Decades before your work, I always understood that Thundercracker became Scourge and Skywarp became Cyclonous. And yes, the Sweeps were made from Insecticon clones, as we can see Bombshell, Kickback, and Shrapnel persist. Well done.
Thanks!
Ok
The fact that the sweeps seemingly reproduce would also back the theory that they're remade from the insecticons and share that trait.
I believe that Cyclonus is infact Skywarp, not Bombshell.
I always thought he was skywarp because they both transform into jets
I like to think that Skywarp and Thundercracker became Cyclonus and Scourge. Then Unicron turned the insecticons into the sweeps because they were left over.
My question is....Why are there 3 Scourge sweeps on season 3? If I remember, Unicron made only 2 sweeps for Scourge and 1 Armada for Cyclonus. Then, on the season 3, the Cyclonus Armada desappears and Another Scourge Sweep appears, (O-o),with this theory on my head I have this....
3 Sweeps= The 3 Insecticons.....
Cyclonus=Skywarp
Scourge= Thundercracker......
In short.....I'M TEAM SKYWARP.
I used to think it was both of them, but now I think it's Skywarp since some of his personality is with Cyclonus
LOL
I agree, although I do think that a little bit of Bombshell made it into Cyclonus. That would explain his heightened intelligence and his ability to clone himself.
He said he was skywarp in a future episode when he in a decitcon crypt And runs into a statue of himself
@@playmakersradio7838 Really? If that's true then that's that for this.
@@playmakersradio7838 He never said that. I'm watching that episode (Starscream ghost) which is the episode that shows Skywarp crypt.
Skywarp with Bombshell mixed in.
Personally, I think he's just a new character.
Thats what i said 3 months later
I’d like to think that too. Skwarp with some of Bombshell’s body parts.
Yeah. Maybe he recieved Bombshell's intelligence that way.
@@lordfrostnchilled9601 I would rather he be a new character, because I like Skywarp too much to want him dead to have made a new bot, but I think that Cyclonus probably, canonically would be a mix of both Warp and Bombshell.
To reinforce that Cyclonus is Skywarp is that he has some sort of relation to Scourge, like how Skywarp was a close friend to Thundercracker.
My vote is for Skywarp. Though I think a Frankenstein of both of them, with the mind of a new deception kind of makes sense.
I always decided it was Skywarp only because it made sense to make both jets into the leaders of the Sweeps and Armada. Not the most logical or well reasoned argument but I like it
Perfectly sensible. Insecticons were each one of many of a swarm. Skywarp and Thundercracker were somewhat unique like Starscream, and presumably comparably powerful and competent. It was always strange to me that Starscream was treated on a higher level from his two "brothers". The Unicron transformations gave the other two their due significance as Cyclonus and Scourge. It makes no sense for a lowly insecticon to be one of those two.
Great video! This was always one of my favorites! As for what I think, I say Cyclonus was Skywarp as the Insecticons can clone themselves, hence them being all the Sweeps and "the armada."
Btw, in the Animated timeline it is implied that Cyclonus is a version of Skywarp from the future, as Scalpel takes note that Cyclonus shares specs with Skywarp.
I Am more towards that Cyclonus is a new Character. I also believe that He inherited the traits of Both Bombshell, and Skywarp. Combining The intelligence of Bombshell, with Skywarp's Loyalty and Jet form could be interestind. Plus I prefer a combination of character's traits into a new character
To me, Skywarp becaome Cyclonus, and bombshell instead of the Armada, was meant to be the third sweep as seen in the movie, and the rest of season three.
It makes sense that the Insecticons all became sweeps. They retained their ability to clone themselves.
Also transformers being "dead", doesn't mean all that much. It was shown multiple times that dead transformers could be reactivated, and would retain their previous personalities. The movie clearly did not show parts of dead decepticons being recombined. Individual damaged decepticons became individual new/improved ones.
As I told you on your original video my friend, I am on your side, Cyclonus was Skywarp and the sweeps were insecticons. It would make sense Skywarp and Thndercracker, Megatron´s original air attack team became the leaders for Galvatron´s new squad.
How so?
Thundercracker commands the Sweeps as Scourge
I agree with you! Megatron became Galvatron, Thundercracker became Scourge, and the three Insecticons, including Bombshell became Sweeps.
Even without official word, there is one more piece of suggestive evidence in favor of SkyWarp: Starscream's 'ghost', his spark hasbeen known to briefly inhabit others. He never tries to inhabit Galvatron, but he DOES pick BOTH Cyclonus and Scourge. Why? It may be that because under their reformatting, they still retain much of the base formatting of Seekers? This might make it EASIER for the 'deceased' Seeker Starscream to inhabit them. Just a thought.
Very good and observant point!
A very interesting thought at that
U do know that Trypticon and Astrotrain were also possessed by the ghost (aka mutant spark) of Starscream, right?
@@gabbpolicarpio1236 Absolutely but there seemed to be more of a choice and a greater amount of comfort in Scourge and Cyclonus. At least that's how I see it. Trepticon (And later Waspinator) were both definite necessity
I've always had a love/hate relationship with the movie. Most of the hate coming from the lack of respect the writers had for our beloved Cybertronians. (I'll go into their heartlessly killing Prowl another time.) As you, Rod Prime, have oft stated, their primary goal was to SELL TOYS. Meaning pesky things like continuity didn't matter.
If they'd taken five minutes to think about things, they'd have realized how much sense it makes for the loyal Skywarp to be reformatted as Cyclonus, and more, purposely animated him BECOMING that bot! Also makes sense the replicating Insecticons becoming the multiplying Sweeps. Case closed.
And, hey, if they wanted to sell toys so badly, why didn't they market GENERIC Sweeps so kids could make sure Scourge had his "armada" when playing with their TFs?
A (hungry) planetful of lost and missed opportunities. 🤔
I feel the same about the movie. If they wanted to sell lore toys, just use them as new characters in new episodes, just introduce them, not kill everyone we know. ;_; Maybe Megatron wanted to update his armor to be stronger and to be called Galvatron.
@@miiirky1904 I second that. While there was much great about the movie, killing Prime and the other Autobots was just so dumb. He should have survived, heavily damaged maybe, but alive.
@@warlordsquerk5338 They we’re killed because they’re toys were discontinued.
@@tfan2222 I know. They not only died which was stupid, the reason they died was even more so. What terrible writing
The Killing of Optimus Prime is a cautionary tale: Take care of your beloved fictional characters. While there are benefits in killing Prime in terms of story telling, the reality is that Hasbro got rid of him just to make way to sell new toys (I feel like Dinobot’s death in Beast Wars was handled a bit better imo). Imagine if Lucasfilm made a Star Wars sequel Trilogy and carelessly got rid of the old cast just to make way for new characters we barely know or care about. Oh wait…
The idea that cyclonus is a Frankenstein hybrid of bombshell and skywarp is vastly more interesting
I always saw cyclonus as skywarp
For me, the more acceptable theory is "Cyclonus was remodeled from Skywarp". Tranformers: the movie was an 80's cartoon and there was so many flaws in creating drawings then. The technology was very limited that time. Images are done manually by animators. Errors are likely to happened.
The whole scene seemed jacked up to me when I first saw it back on VHS.
There are 2 Cyclonus characters, people always tried to rationalize it, but for me it was clear it was an animation mistake. So there is no established logic one can take from the character's origin.
yeah, people were saying the 2nd Cyclonus was a dyecast clone, because the toys were including tiny rubber figurines called clones
I have always thought cyclonus was a combination of the two skywarp and bombshell. The two merged to become the ultimate second in command loyal and smart
@Transcendent Cthulhu I all was thought the sweeps were insecticon clones and scourge was thundercraker
I just thought they all were digitized and their blueprint was used to from the upgraded froms only galvatron being the one that got upgraded
I like this theory since Cyclonus had the characteristics of intelligence, and leadership from bombshell. Loyalty from Skywarp.
Script from the movie said, Cyclonus was a new decepticon which was build with the parts from the two
I kind of like the idea that Skywarp is Cyclonus. With Thundercracker being Scourge it's pretty fitting for 2 of the 3 main seekers to become remade after Starscream (1 of the 3) fucks them over.
Let's go back to their reformatting. When Unicron announces "Cyclonus, the warrior", we see both the former Bombshell (in front) and the former Skywarp (behind).
But when he says, "and his Armada", we mostly see the former Bombshell, Only.
This makes it clear that Bombshell became Armada, therefore Skywarp became Cyclonus.
Unicron trilogy cyclonus becomes g1 cyclonus
100% team unicron trilogy cyclonus being g1 cyclonus
I see it being bombshell too
Man, you’ve taken a QUATUM LEAP in your editing! Freaking RAD my dude!
RE: Skywarp:
Remember in the G1 cartoon episode when Megatron dug that crystal out of the South American pyramid, and then summoned Skywarp to fight, and Starscream said, "How dare you demote me to guard-duty, Megatron!"
And Skywarp said (?) "Have fun playing crystal, NERDscreamer. Bye-eeee." And he transformed and flew off.
That moment when he said 'bye', was so great. His voice sounded so metallic, and yet was so inflected with so much smart-assness. He sounded like a robot to have that much computer effect IN his voice, but achieved that level of smart-assness in the same voice. Because of the degree of smart-assness, his voice seemed like it was coming from a real living being, not a synthesizer in a studio. It was captured so well. That moment is one of my favorite moments in visual entertainment from all time. And I'm over 45 years old.
The hell with Bombshell! He is Skywarp!
If I could go back in time and re write that part of the movie this is how I would do it. 1.) The Decepticons that get thrown out of Astrotrain would have been Megatron, Thundercracker, Skywarp, and the three reflector guys. Not the insecticons. 2.) Skywarp would have been turned into Cyclonus, Reflector would have been three Sweeps and Thundercracker would have been Scourge, although Not a sweep lookalike. I would have had Scourge look like a jet not a hovercraft. I never understood why Hasbro, trying to sell toys, made 4 guys all look the same and only market one of them. Seems like a wasted opportunity for another toy.
rogue9ine My retcon or alternate timeline for Transformers The Movie are as follows: 1) Same as you except not Reflector, but the Insecticons with 4 members, instead of 3. The fourth member was part of the group, but stayed on Cybertron, so no Insect mode, but a flying craft mode.
2) Megatron turns to Galvatron, Skywarp to Cyclonus, Thundercracker to Scourge, and now the Insecticons would turn into the Deluxe Insecticons in this order, Shrapnel to Chopshop, Kickback to Ransack, Bombshell to Barrage and the 4th member to Venom. The Sweeps I probably would not have created and the Deluxe Insecticons would be able to use cloning, like the originals.
Hasbro came up with the stupid idea in regards to Transformers the Movie, that if anyone wanted the Sweeps then people should buy more Scourge toys. They presumably intended that Cyclonus's Armada was going to be just a bunch of Cyclonus look alikes and for people to just buy more Cyclonus toys. One that is not often looked at was also, the Sharkticons, which all of them were the same and to buy many of them, if people wanted to emulate the idea of an army of Sharkticons in the Movie. That was extremely lazy of Hasbro to implement that idea also. Luckily they did not do that with the Junkions also.
also I would have had the scene where the wounded decepitcons were being jettisoned from Austrotrain, while he was ok with sacrificing Thundercracker, Skywarp and the reflectors, when Starscream was about throw Megatron out, Soundwave tried to stop Stascream but the other decepticons in the shuttle halted him by aiming their weapons at him threating to add him to the scrapmetal pile.
I'd also make sure that Snarl is included with the Dinobots as well. We did see a glimpse of him but throughout the entire film, he was nowhere to be seen. Criminal!
I would have kept it the same as Hasbro in the movie. 1) Thundercracker becomes Scourge. 2) Skywarp becomes Cyclonus. 3) Insecticons become Sweeps. 4) Megatron become Galvatron.
Space boat go brrr
I say he was made from Skywarp.
Why
Even when i was young and first saw this movie, i always felt skywarp was the real cyclonus and bombshell was the clone , made more sense to me F-15- Space fighter, cause cyclonus was a good flyer and so was skywarp.
I like to think he's Skywarp (mostly, he's not 100% Skywarp) because, the insecticon cloning powers makes sence for the Sweeps.
I don't think it would be accurate to say Cyclonus is Bombshell at all, since the Insecticons survive the movie due to there swarm of clones. So the sweeps/Cyclonus aren't rebuilt versions of Shrapnel, Kickback, and Bombshell, but rather they're rebuilt versions of Zaptrap, Shothole, and Salvo, the Insecticons respective clones.
That isn't to say that Cyclonus isn't, in part, made from insecticon parts. I suspect Scourge has a similar mix of Seeker and Insecticon.
Animation errors explain that, not that Cyclonus can clone himself.
Brilliant with the insecticon cloning!!! Makes sense as Armada is a literal clone of Cyclonus...35 years later, never thought of that! THAT'S AWESOME FRIENDO 🙂🙂🤩
It always made more sense to me Cyclonus is Skywarp. I just felt that when you didn't see the Armada Cyclonus after that one scene and then Scourge and now 3 sweeps instead of 2 that maybe the animators thought Bombshell should be a Sweep too and just have them all be made from cloned Insecticons. You do see the all 3 Insecticons later in season 3 and the Sweeps seem to always grow in numbers. But, it's whatever you want it to be.
Hmm I'm unsure. I can see it from both sides and personally speaking I didn't like Bombshell or Skywarp. So I've got no personal stake. Soundwave was my favourite Decepticon so I suppose given a jet is much closer to a Space Fighter than a bug is....I suppose I'll stab for it being Skywarp but honestly I don't think it matters. I think Cyclonus may have been a new personality that may have shared with Skywarp or Bombshell and was the dominant personality. If we could have seen inside Cyclonus' head we'd likely see a bit of a personality thing like we did with the Vehicon generals from Beast Machines and now I'm going to shut up because I've probably said something stupid without knowing.
I think Cyclonus IS Skywarp and Scourge is Thundercracker, the rest of the sweeps are insecticon clones.
Definitely Skywarp. Great video!
Why
One thing I don’t think anybody has mentioned was the fact that there was almost a Megatron/Skywarp triple changer at one point in G1. This shows that the people at Hasbro/Takara had more interest in him than people give him credit for.
I vote completely reformatted new characters. If pressed to make a choice between the two, I'd pick Skywarp. Intent of the story was the Armada existing, but was dropped due to budget and/or animation errors. Bombshell, original or clone, possessed the cloning ability to replicate more Armada. A lost opportunity since their always was a fierce rivalry between Cyclonus and Scourge, with both meant to be on equal terms and commanding respective armies of generics. Without the Armada, Cyclonus is at a great disadvantage in their grudge match. Obviously I'm pro Armada, which helps justify all the Cyclonus toys I buy.
my money's on SkyWarp. i've always liked him more than StarScream and ThunderCracker
Personally I think he was skywarp before unicrons reformatting of him as skywarp was a dimwitted brute of a bot who was loyal to the extreme to Megatron and his most faithful servant of the seekers it makes sense the most simple minded and personal lapdog to thier leader of the 3 of them that skywarp became cyclonus who was loyal to galvatron inspite of his insanity bombshell was treacherous conniving and always in it for himself he had no loyalty to Megatron or the Decepticons for that matter and only really served to further his own goals
I must have static in my rectifiers now that’s the smartest thing you’ve said all day! Wait really? Hey what’s going on??!!!
Skywarp side al the way for everything you said. Though I can see the Bombshell side.
Big deal. They are just animation errors.
Megatron - Galvatron
Scourge - Thundercracker
Cyclonus - Skywarp
Insecticons - Sweeps.
skywarp was a plane like cyclonus and the trusted one.
I have always thought the simplest answer was Thudercracker and Bombshell became the two main characters since they were in the forefront. This is the first time I heard a version where they could be a mish mesh of dead Decepticons. Seems like they made Scourge unique enough to not have an argument of who he was. The mish mesh theory could explain it better as far as Cyclonus is concerned since it seems like that would best explain his loyalty like Skywarp and smarts like Bombshell. Maybe he is a 50/50 combination of them.
I believed the scene with bombshell and skywarp both becoming cyclonus was to show that cyclonus was the best of both worlds from bombshell he got extreme intelligence And from skywarp he got loyalty and great flying skills and that most of the remains from skywarp and some from bombshell which created cyclonus and the leftovers from both skywarp and bombshell were used to create the third sweep so skywarp and bombshell are both cyclonus and a sweep
I know I'm late to this, but I'm on the Skywarp side. You bring up some good points that lean towards Skywarp, with Bombshell clone parts mixed in, and we do see aspects of Skywarp in Cyclonus's personality in the G1 cartoon in Season 3, so for me, I'm on Skywarp side
Even if we look at their personalities Skywarp always made more sense, in fact we can say that while Scourge and Cyclonus were still vastly different some aspects of Thundercracker's and Skywarp's personalities carried on. According to Thunfercracker's bio he is an arrogant guy same for Scourge while Skywarp is said to be blindly loyal to Megatron, like Cyclonus is with Galvatron. Bombshell just doesn't make sense to be Cyclonus, really don't get how can someone think like it works
Skywarp since the Sweeps’ cloning abilities most likely came from the Insecticons while Thundercracker became Scourge.
My pet theory (formed circa 1986-87):
Megatron's body & life spark --> Galvatron
Skywarp's body --> Cyclonus
Bombshell clone body --> Cyclonus' "Armada" (destroyed in battle later on during Transformers: The Movie)
Thundercracker --> Scourge
Shrapnel clone body --> Sweep #1
Kickback clone body --> Sweep #2
Other insecticon clones and/or Unicron's scrap metal collection --> any and all other Sweeps
Shockwave --> destroyed while heroically defending Cybertron from Unicron
Sourge and cyclonous, have similar amounts of loyalty to Galvatron, which I conclude that bombshell is infact as a sweep, as two insecticons are required to allow cloning. However aspects of both are parts of the sweeps, as they all loyal are loyal to Galvatron. Which the insecticons lack
I think it would make since for the insecticons to become sweeps since both the insecticons and sweeps can duplicate
He has scraps of both but I think it's skyward because he's stronger and has the attitude of skywarp
12:49 to add to that point, cyclonus is even seen running over some of the insecticons when landing during the coronation scene (a teal thundercracker is also there, but with the seekers having 5 billion repaints in the show, that could've been anyone)
To me, he's Skywarp given an upgrade. The bugs became Sweeps and any leftovers became semi-sentient.
The giant planet eating planet transformer, that's a mouth full, almost a planets worth lol.
It's a dang good way of describing Unicron
RodimusPrimal
It sure is haha
I know this video was 2 years ago but I still want to put my belief out there and I go with skywarp. How would an insecticon(not saying he can't) adapt to a whole new form like a jet or some aerial modification. Skywarp is the only one who is more prone to knowing exactly how it feels to be in this type of alt mode and I'm sure he'd adapt way faster if not almost immediately to his new space jet mode.
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The cylonus rebirth was so confusing snarl was in the movie
I think there is a double standard going on here amongst the Transformers fandom, especially those who were first exposed to Transformers through the cartoon and not the comic/toy line. So, here is the question, is Rumble blue or red and the same for Frenzy. Considering the comic and the toy line came out before the cartoon, you would think that Rumble is red and Frenzy is blue. But fans who saw the cartoon first stick with Rumble being blue, Frenzy red... meaning they ignore the comic and the toy line (catalogue) if that is the case, then why pay attention to the toy line regarding who is Cyclonus? Yeah, I was the same back in the day, assuming Cyclonus was originally Skywarp but if we are going to use the logic that the robot in the foreground is the new reformatted robot, i.e. Thundercracker in to Scourge, then it would have to be the same with Cyclonus where Bombshell was in the foreground making him Cyclonus. I prefer the Cyclonus bio that says he was created by Unicron from the parts of dead Decepticons and so I'd like to think he is a fusion of both Skywarp and Bombshell. This sits better with me because let's face it, Skywarp is a bit too dim-witted to be someone as strong and intelligent as Cyclonus. Anyway, as always Mr Primal, great video. Just watched your Triple changer video as well. Nice.
I'm more on the Frankenstein theory as well. The intelligence of Bombshell and the loyalty of Skywarp but at his Laser core I still be that he is Skywarp.
Skywarp all-day!
Excellent analysis. I would definitely favor the argument that Cyclonus was Skywarp mostly because we did see all the Insecticons later on.
Always thought cyclonus was skywarp. But after watching your vid id say he is a combo of both but the skywarp model so to speak was used heavily in the creation of cyclonus because he is a jet. So maybe 60/40 skywarp/bombshell.
How is that so, when in the movie we see Galvatron, Cyclonus, Scourge, and three (3) Sweeps board the ship, that Unicron had provided for them to get back to Cybertron? Plus throughout season 3, We see Scourge, and mainly the three Sweeps, sometimes seven Sweeps.
No matter what I use the theory that the seekers became Scourge and Cyclonus...and Im sticking to it lol
Skywarp!
Though I can get behind the frankenstein idea!
I think it makes more sense that Cyclonus was created from the combination of both Bombshell and Skywarp. Skywarp was never considered to be a very intelligent character when compared to a Decepticon like Cyclonus. So having been created from a combination of the highly intelligent Bombshell and the faster, more courageous and loyal Skywarp makes the most sense for the character's origin and backstory.
I love how scourge threw the bot into the glass and cyclonus just goes "well everyone has to be somewhere" and when scourge starts shooting the others cyclonus just chills out and casually walks up to the input interface
They were badass Decepticons for sure.
Yet Galvatron still beat on both of them.
Unicron used their dead bodies like clay and just resculpted them into new warriors. None of their original personalities remained in Cyclonus or Scourge. Galvatron retained some of Megatron's memories because he was the only Decepticon to barely function at the time.
skywarp
in my head Skywarp always made sense as Cyclonus. I also always thought that thundercracker became scourge, while the insectecticons became the sweeps.
I like the theory, that Bombshell and Skywarp were melted thogether to make Cyclonus. (I know, that this video is an re-upload, but I didn't see it, so I'm leaving my comment anyway.)
Actually the scene had Bombshell and Skywarp change into 2 Cyclonuses. Then that was reduced to one.
I always figured thundercracker became scourge, skywarp became cyclonus, and the insecticons became the duplicates because they can duplicate.
I've always felt that it was Skywarp. It fit the most. He was the most loyal and his loyalty carried over.
I like the info that he gives and I agree with him that Cyclonus was once Skywarp (my favorite of the seekers)
I think Skywarp became Cyclonus.
Makes sense that Skywarp is indeed more of a Cyclonus.
The fact that he has clones tells me he's bombshell, but his personality and character traits scream Skywarp to me
He doesn't have clones. Only the sweeps have clones.
It's definitely Skywarp
I have always been under the assumption that he is a new character, basically going by what it said in the Universe comic, I feel the same about Scourge. Perhaps they were sparks that Unicron had captured from other planets, ones that became loyal to him. Cause Cyclonus may have been loyal to Galvatron, but it was apparent that both him and Scourge were also very loyal to Unicron, unlike Galvatron.
Also the Sweeps always seemed different then the clones of the Insecticons, since they seemed to have their own "personalities" from one another. In a way they seemed like splits from Scourge himself, like aspects of his personality.
With all that said if I had to say one or the other, saying Bombshell does not feel right, maybe it is because both Skywarp and Cyclonus were "Decepticon Planes" in the toyline, or just the fact that it does not seem as cool, but I would definitely lean more towards "Team Skywarp".
And now this just came into my mind as a way to explain both the "Armada" and the Sweeps. Perhaps they (Cyclonus and Scourge) have the ability to create "clones" for battle, that would either re-merge with their "master" or can be destroyed at will. And since Scourge always seemed more cowardly he used this "power" more then the conceited Cyclonus. This would explain why there were more Sweeps during season three and perhaps some of those "animation mistakes". Maybe this power was granted to them because of the usage of the dead Insecticons, and whatever tech/magic they had.
Just before I get into this. I'm just gonna guess that it's probably Skywarp, just that both he and Cyclonus are seekers so it makes more sense. Also, when Unicron turns them both into lookalikes, Skywarp is the Cyclonus at the front, while Bombshell is the Cyclonus at the back, so I'm gonna assume that Skywarp/Cyclonus is the one we're looking for considering Unicron put him in front of the others (or am I getting confused with Thundercracker/Scourge?). And just a personal look at, Skywarp was the more popular of the two so it makes sense to make the old popular character a new popular character.
Honestly I think it would be Skywarp purely because he is a more prominent character, have the two seekers become the ones in charge of the sweeps while the insecticons become the sweeps.
Either that or the third option hoestly.
I myself think that Cyclonus, Scoorge and the Sweeps were created from the original Insecticon toys, Thundercracker and Skywarp's unnamed look-alikes!
Because the latter came in the 1986 Transformers Movie also settled in after the former under Galvatron again wanted to conquer power. The original Insecticon toys were indeed much more than some specimens such as Bombshell, Kickback and Shrapnel!
I personally believe he is Skywarp as he is a more loyal character than Bombshell and also because of the fact that Skywarp has always been one of my favourite seekers in the G1 show
Team Skywarp. One other sign that the Insecticons survived was in the episode "Fight Or Flee". There is an animation error in which either Soundwave or Long Haul is shown speaking, but it is clearly Shrapnel's voice.
I Saw 2 Cyclonuses (The Regular Cyclonus And His Armada.) Both Come From Bombshell And Skywarp So I Think The Other Cyclous (Formally Skywarp I Assuming....) Was Left Out. So I Think The Regular Cyclonus Was Formally Bombshell.
That's exactly what happened because I looked up skywarp on a wiki and it said her turned into Cyclonus Armada...I also looked up bombshell and it just said he became cyclonus.
It's like Unicron put together Skywarps loyalty to Megatron and the intelligence of bombshell.
Is this a reupload?
Yes but there's more to it than that. I released a video last week titled "Any More Transformers Discussions" explaining why.
FACTS:
I understand that this may have happened due to a simple character placement error by the writers and illustrators.
But due to this error/mistake Bombshell is technically the winner by possible default. Here's why:
1. Bombshell is not only in the forefront but also introduced as now 'Cyclonus" in synchronicity to the introduction by Orson Wells himself.
2. But even this theory 'Skywarp was originally written to be Cyclonus' can be argued as it was 'Bombshell' that was drawn and written And morphing into Cyclonus as in the original and final illustration drafts!
I'm sorry but we don't get to rewrite what we saw.
-fans just anticipate and wish that Skywarp was reformatted into Cyclonus because he's a higher ranking/jet with more seniority with the audience, to follow suit to Mega/Galvatrons new army.
I’m team Skywarp. Cyclonus’s relationship with Scourge makes sense for him to be Skywarp. It doesn’t seem right to turn such a minor character like Bombshell into a badass one like Cyclonus. Plus Skywarp was one of my favorites.
The continued sales of all 3 standard Insecticons and all 4 Deluxe Insecticons in the G1 Wave 3 toys could mean that they were not intended to be the basis of the Armada or the Sweeps. Insecticon clones make more sense. However, the absence of the toys for Skywarp and Thundercracker points toward both of them having been reformatted.