Clones vs. Stormtroopers: Which is the Better Star Wars Soldier? | The Bad Batch Canon Fodder
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- The first two episodes of Star Wars: The Bad Batch are out on Disney +, and it seems like we are finally getting the story of why the Clones largely disappeared after Order 66. With the advent of conscripted stormtroopers for the Galactic Empire just around the corner, we ask the question: Which is the better trooper? Clone Troopers vs Stormtroopers, there is a right answer and it’s not close. Plus lots of Star Wars canon connections (especially connections with Clone Wars and The Clone Wars) and of course Tarkin is still goofing around on Kamino. Max Scoville would be honored if you would join us...for some IGN Canon Fodder.
In The Bad Batch trailer and The Bad Batch Teaser, there was no mention of The Bad Batch Order 66, but now on Disney Plus, Star Wars The Clone Wars will conclude in The Batch Batch series with characters like Omega, Echo and others we recognize from Star Wars: The Clone Wars. The Bad Batch is one of the newest squads to Star Wars. Theory videos like this one are useful to fans of Star Wars. Explained here are questions about The Clone Troopers, Clone Wars, and even a single clone trooper.
So if you’ve ever wondered why the Grand Army of the Republic became Star Wars Stormtroopers, and why a stormtrooper would be used in the first place, we have you covered.
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Clones: A legendary mandalorian bounty hunter turned into an army, all trained since they were kids.
Troopers: A bunch of randoms.
Unless Thrawn enters the battle...
Facts!
Mandos and Randos
Troopers have randos but they still have Clones serving...and those clones still preform just as bad as the randos
@@goodnesswhy Just imagine if Thrawn had a clone army
Easiest answer in the history of Star Wars
Clones
Damn right.
Hell yes
They can HIT enemies! And they are all based on JANGO FETT, who once worked under the sith and was one of the universes greatest Bounty Hunters.
@@0GlassOfAcid0 and didn't jango killed jedi as well
Obviously! The Clones were able to kill nearly all the Jedi, the Stormtroopers never managed to even shoot one!
It was so weird and sad to see clones act like imperials in the latest episode of the Bad batch to see their personalities wipe away. Even the clone colors on their armors are gone making them look like shinies again.
And that is why the clones are victims of Order 66 too. They’ve been enslaved by their inhibitor chips
@@MrTony-rx7tk they were slaves long before that.
@@anthonytrashboat Yeah but before they could still think for themselves at least. Now they don’t even have that.
@@MrTony-rx7tk The Slaves of Palpatine and Kaminoans indeed.
@@anthonytrashboat yea but as the other fellow said they had free will enough that they could even dessert and start a life.
This is asking who would win in a battle, a scorpion or a ladybug.
The only reason your statement is actually seen as right is plot armour. It's more like a fight between a scorpion and a scorpion.
“Scorpion vs scorpion”
Yeah right lmao the clones still have more extensive training than the stormies ever had
Which has been shown time and time again lol
I'm calling Stormtroopers ladybugs because Stormtroopers can not aim right. Also, clones are highly more trained. It has nothing to do with plot armor.
@@johnathanholmes1297 In-Universe they were extremely accurate. And if it's not plot armour, then pretty much everybody is Force-sensitive. But not Jedi sensitive.
@@ShustnovikGaming If it's plot armour why so many Jedi died because of Clone Trooper?
When the Empire replaced the clones with stormtroopers: Top 10 biggest mistakes in history
Clones are too expensive to maintain, and it would've been impossible for them to produce them enough to maintain order throughout an entire Galaxy lol. Keep in mind, the republic was losing the Clone Wars for the majority of the conflict until the Dookus death.
@@ooonyxxx they could’ve remove the double aging thing and have each clone serve twice as long, and put them in a growth pod or something until 10 years old,
is it ethical? Absolutely not but this is the empire we’re talking about
@@themelon_1785 "This is the empire we're talking about" exactly, which is why it makes sense that they didn't invest into an army that nearly bankrupted the republic when they fought to maintain the quarter of the territory the Empire controls. Your elimination of the aging process idea is intriguing, but that doesn't address the cost of creating a clone army. The republic didn't have a single clone die of old age, just the troops themselves were too expensive to maintain on a galaxy-wide level.
@@themelon_1785 they would still have the economy problem
you dont get it do you,
1. Clones were expensive and took along time to train. Sure the empire wasted its budget on two death stars but still, its some viable reason
2. At first the empire thought it didn't need an elite army as there was no extreme opposing galactic power to fight with. stormtroopers were much more in number than clones and they could patrol and guard the empires planets for a much easier cost.
3. Clones were susceptible to corruption if someone could hack into their chips. you don't want your former allies betraying you like the clones did to the jedi
*Stormtroopers:* Tedddie bears, the eIderIy
*G00D SoIdlers:* JEDl KNlGHTS
Teddie bears lol XD
@@biberflub Cannibalistic teddie bears, to be fair.
At least the clones can hit people
Agree...
Can't argue with that...........
Stormtroopers are supposed to be extremely precise 😖
Hahahahah omg hahaha lmfao this is original comedy
@Pump daddy C “You mean Jedi?”
The guys that killed the Jedi
Versus
The guys who lost to Ewoks and can’t hit a single target.😂
Only an Imperial Stormtrooper can be soo precise
@@MrHaloman95 Obi Wan be telling fibs.
Storm troopers are an elite force. They'd wipe the floor with clones if you really want to consider armor, weapons, vehicles and personnel. Clone troopers don't have shadow forces that can go invisible. And the Imperials have much better jetpack troopers. The movies have to nerf stormtroopers because if you've played any star wars game, you'd know they would destroy any other army type going toe to toe.
@@courdell7426 that's the funniest joke I've ever heard dude really get a life
@@courdell7426 jetpack trooper
"THeY fLy NoW?!"
.....the clones didn’t get defeated by the dark ages version of the fr*cking gummie bears
XD true
Yeah the clones would of exterminated every single one of those teddy bears 🔪🧸 😂
Fricking isn’t a cuss word you don’t need the star
ewoks are known as mini wookies.
Maybe by the end of bad batch we’ll find out why palpatine doesn’t want clones
The clones also age twice as fast as ordinary troopers.
Because they were overclocked. Lol
It was needed to get the gar ready
Episode 1 of the Bad Batch clearly implied clones are better. But The Empire cant afford the clones anymore and Tarkin hates them so they cut corners and got recruits.
Also the fact that they can turn on your entire order by simply saying a two digit number lol
It's because they're throwing most of their budget into the Death Star. It's why Thrawn fought so hard for the TIE Defender project. 6 squadrons of Defenders would have been more tactically advantageous compared to 20 squadrons of Fighters.
Why does Tarkin hate clones? Wouldn’t obedient clones be better than random recruits?
@@kingdoge69 Maybe he doesn't like that the Clones are taking away jobs that normal people in the Galaxy need if they weren't there. It's kinda like the old saying of "Robots are taking our jobs" but with Clones.
Lol, can't afford?!?, the Royal guard, Vaders' 501st , and they were altered to slow their aging after the clone wars ended.
Clones over Stormtroopers without a doubt. At least the clones won the war they were in.
They didn’t exactly win it fairly since the CIS was told to go easy on droid design by palpatine, they only made things like commando droids for show to make the war seem like an actual all out war and not just some chess game with the same person on both teams
Yet again the clones wouldn’t lose a 1:1000 war against the rebellion
Won? They haven't won anything, if the droid army wasn't deactivated they would have lost the war.
No one won, everyone lost
The empire one the war
You gotta admire The Clone Trooper helmet and armour.
Phase 2 armor is so beautiful
Phase 1 FTW
And the paintjob
Clone troopers all day baby. They can actually hit their targets!
So can the stormtroopers
@@rafaelroriz6622 no lol
It's the visor.
First and foremost, the Clone visor is larger, so it isn't obscured by their HUD.
Secondly, Clones are genetically engineered to be the perfect soldiers.
Third, the Clones have far greater experience than their successors, having defeated an enemy far more powerful than the Stormtroopers could handle. Some believe that the Clones ability to improvise makes this easier for them.
@Nothing HereAnd yet they were defeated by "Ewoks" so 🤷 🤔, yeah.
Clones would Eff up Storm Troopers in a real battle. Then again eventually we will see the Storm Troopers invade Kamino.
That was the 501st
Those weren’t Stormtroopers. They were 501st. A clone trooper legion
@@raafeyplayz7015 they were the 501st using stormtrooper armor so they essentially were stormtroopers, also by that time human conscripts began to join the 501st since clones slowly began becoming too old
We already did in the Legends continuity. The stormtroopers won lol.
Stormtroopers are an elite force. They would absolutely wipe the floor with clone troopers in terms of armor, weapons, equipment, vehicles and personnel. Clone troopers don't have a shadow force of troopers who can go invisible. And imperials have much etter jetpack troopers as well. The movies make stormtroopers miss badly. If you played any star wars game, you know storm troopers do not miss their shots at all.
clones of course, they are practically Mandalorians.
And if you take the Legends continuity into account, most of the clones were raised as Mandalorians.
Don't say that to The Mandalorians, most would take offense as many of them didn't like clones
@@Lightingwarrior
How many of those mandolorians would get dropped by those same clone troopers if we gave them the same equipment tho lmfao
@@sentinal_entity it's a pretty tough fight, you'd know if you've seen the Siege of Mandalore in CW Season 7
@@biberflub
I'm not sure if that was you trying to be smart or if you genuinely recommended me watching season 7 but yeah I've already watched it numerous times at this point.
So basically soldiers that were cloned from a very skilled Bounty Hunter
Vs a bunch of *actual* humans
Navy seals are actual humans and are the deadliest soldies today.
Even after order 66 the clones charged into battle against any foe without hesitation
The stormtroopers showed hesitancy in many situations
Clones: Only get cooler every time you see them
Stormtroopers: Pretty cool
Clones: Accurate and born to fight
Stormtroopers: When not fighting plot armour, accurate, but trained to fight from an older age.
Clones: One-Shot armour
Stormtroopers: One-Shot armour.
Clones: Individual and creative.
Stormtroopers: Basically a hive mind.
Clones: Expensive
Stormtroopers: Cheap.
Make the decision for yourself.
I’m calling it, This series is going to end in a kaminoan rebellion like in the original battlefront 2, Clones vs Stormtroopers. That’ll be the new reason why the empire will stop using clones
Glad to see someone else came to this exact idea early on.
This comment aged REAL well
@@bobtheraccoon318 sorta, kinda right 😂😖
Clones actually care about each other unlike stormtroopers at least most stormtroopers don't.
yeah remember how Poe shoots the stormtrooper in front of Finn in the opening scene in TFA, and Finn tries to help his fellow stormtrooper, yet at the end he joins Poe still lol
@@biberflub ironic
@@biberflub JJ Abrams everybody, show one thing and do completely the other thing lmao
Omega can control the chipped clones and that’s why they kill them all. That’s my bet.
How would she be able to control them? It’s clearly stated in the series that the empire was consittering to replace the clones even before knowing about Omega.
That doesn't make any sense. It would just make more sense to kill Omega instead.
@@CoolMyron The point is that if the clones can be reprogrammed they can’t be trusted period. Could be the cloners that could do it but it think Omega would be a better story.
@@EngJorgeSantana They’ll need to have operated another chip inside of them, or have the chip taken out and reprogrammed. They are not like droids that can be reprogrammed from signals.
3:25 In the Darth Vader comics didn't it say that empire stop using clones because there were running out of Jango Fett's DNA or his DNA was like corrupted and unusable.
Yes but you cant expect something clever from IGN
@@keyrif7111 IGN didn't make up that they were too expensive. It was literally confirmed in the Bad Batch that the clones are too expensive. Next time, try not to make a fool of yourself.
The clones in general, but both have profesional elite units like the Delta Squad, Clone Force 99 and the Death Troopers
501st
Arc trooper better than the death trooper
Clones were genetically modified soldiers trained from birth to do one thing. Stormtroopers were just random dudes that signed up for the empire. Clones are superior, no contest.
How is this even a contest clones almost wiped out the whole Jedi order in less than a day, vs stormtroopers who can’t even handle an army of teddy bears with nothing more than sticks and stones
Stormtroopers are an elite force. They have much better armor and equipment. Clone troopers don't have forces that can go invisible and imperials have much more effective jetpack troopers. Storm stroopers would mop clone troopers if it really came toe to toe. Everyone says stormtroopers miss badly. But if anyone has played any star wars game with imperials before, you'd know stormtroopers DO NOT miss their target when they fire.
Is this even a real question??? Clones are better dude🤣🤣🤣
The stormtrooper are nothing but canon fodder because the empire wanted numbers the only one that had any sort of busy training were those that were close to him to keep him safe (even though he didn’t need it)
Trooper were more just “this is how you do it, you follow order”
Is this even a matter of debate? The clones were literally the template of Jango Fett the most famous mandalorian bounty hunter who hand trained all the first arcs and commandos. Like it’s super easy to tell who’s gonna win
Stormtroopers are an elite force. They have much better armor and equipment. Clone troopers don't have shadow forces that can go invisible and imperials have much more effective jetpack troopers. Storm stroopers would mop clone troopers if it really came toe to toe. Everyone says stormtroopers miss badly. But if anyone has played any star wars game with imperials before, you'd know stormtroopers DO NOT miss their target when they fire.
@@courdell7426 you realize the clones are based off the most dangerous bounty hunter right? The arks and commandos were trained by mandalorians my guy did you forget that
@@courdell7426 n bro u did not just explain stormtroopers being stronger due to a game💀💀 bro clones easily wiping out storm troopers….them clones wiped hella jedis during order 66
This shouldn't even be a debate, clones 100%
Stormtroopers are an elite force. They have much better armor and equipment. Clone troopers don't have forces that can go invisible and imperials have much more effective jetpack troopers. Storm stroopers would mop clone troopers if it really came toe to toe. Everyone says stormtroopers miss badly. But if anyone has played any star wars game with imperials before, you'd know stormtroopers DO NOT miss their target when they fire.
@@courdell7426 just shut up, you’re wrong in every way
@@courdell7426 Clones are more battle hardened
5:31 “A nexu, which was responsible for turning Padme’s shirt into a crop top” 😂😂😂
Either she's a Jedi clone of a famous Jedi like obi-wan or she's a perfect mix of all the attributes of the bad batch.
A member of our team once submitted a short story to an official Star Wars writing contest (back when Lucasfilm was independent) featuring a female force-sensitive clone trooper who was the result of mixing various individuals' DNA, that joined an elite special operations team, becoming a bounty hunter. The story was set during the Clone Wars.
Story didn't win, though.
Please have the story published. We need to see this.
Technically they are both the same.
One group is cloned and as children trained.
The other (according to the new trilogy) is nearly the same, except they aren't cloned.
However the clones are cloned from a Mandolorian (Jango) and genetic factors to be a warrior that makes their DNA or CloneNA are added to the equation, the clones are superior.
CloneDNA*
We're talking about Stormtroopers not the first order Troopers
Talking about Stormtroopers not the first order Troopers
@@CoolMyron Even Stormtroopers have a similar training, even before order 66 a buckethead's training was about loyalty to the empire.
Clones are loyal to the Republic (until Order 66) and Stormtroopers are loyal through training.
After the Clone Wars/Order 66 the clones became Imperial Stormtroopers Gen 1.
However the only downside to a clone is their rapid aging and that's why they were replaced with real humans, but not the training, as the next generation of Imperial Stormtroopers and of course first order all under went the same, if not a more refined clone training for loyalty.
Stormtroopers got defeated by teddy bears.
Clone troopers destroyed the legendary jedi knights and are undefeated in battle
True but they definitely ain't no match for the Sith.
@@alexgordon7633 yet the clones did what the Sith never could
Clones is the obvious answer but if there's plot involved then none of them can hit anything
Clones wars = World war 2
Battle of endor = Vietnam war
Yeah if the real Vietnam War had literal puppies killing American soldiers by biting them and actually succeeding
Battle umbara is was like a Vietnam war
Its was missing space fortunate son
Clones would decimate Storm Troopers with ease !
Storm Troopers couldnt shoot fish in a barrel !
Imagine if the clone wars was the storm wars.........storm troopers wouldn’t have been able to execute order 66
The clones are impressive, their donor was very proud.
Clones are specially trained, stormtroopers are just random trained with the support of walkers.
Conscripted soldiers are much more interesting from a story perspective than photocopied people. the clones may have been better. but having an ordinary person, with hopes and dreams join the empire to make a difference, only maybe to be gunned down by the heroes. is much more interesting than clones
Clones: highly capable troopers cloned from a famed and feared bounty hunter with a kill to death ratio on droids of 100:1.
Clones lost most of their cognitive function when their inhibitor chips were implanted which limited any creative or unique thinking which was apparent in episode 2 of the bad batch.
Stormtroopers are just normal people trained poorly and put into armor so cheap that they can hardly see
oh, and of course the voice of the Clones for Clone Wars is going to say he would rather have a clone
Emperor: we need an army!
Mas Amedda: sir, we have an army at home...
The army at home: stormtroopers
Clone troopers can actually hit their targets. HELLLLOOOO
Stormtroopers are an elite force. They have much better armor and equipment. Clone troopers don't have shadow forces that can go invisible and imperials have much more effective jetpack troopers. Storm stroopers would mop clone troopers if it really came toe to toe. Everyone says stormtroopers miss badly. But if anyone has played any star wars game with imperials before, you'd know stormtroopers DO NOT miss their target when they fire.
@@courdell7426 ALSO LUKE SKYWALKER SAID HE CANT SEE A THING OUT OF THIS HELMET which further proves my theory.
Clones have way better style armor than stormtroopers
IGN: Which trooper is the better trooper?
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Glorious video!
in all fairness the war was supposed to be over and storm troopers were more meant to be cops than solders so going for the cheaper option made sense its also why tie fighters were so bad in canon cause they were meant to be patrol vehicles
hey so why didn't the republic make or train soldiers before making clones
they did in the old republic era
@@Lenzcap wait so is that canon then why did they stop
so we are comparing a bunch of random conscripted troopers vs cloned Jango Fett troopers? ok not everyone might not know who Jango Fett is
but sure u guys know who boba fett is
u know that unmodified clone that was part of the Mandalorian series
The Empire literally doomed itself by cancelling the cloning program.
It'll be interesting how they portray the story of the migration from clone troopers to storm troopers... Series started out very strong. Eager for the next episodes!
The Empire didn't want the clones because Emperor Palpatine feared Order 66 could be used against him and/or Vader. Happened in one of the comics where the clones turned on Vader when a group of Jedi said the order during a fight. Buttt Disney can say F that reasoning and say they're too expensive.
how tf did padme's shirt turn into a crop top if the slash came from the back and did not take any more clothing
Clones are obviously superior. This isn’t even a question lol
Why even ask, it's obvious
Clones because stormtroopers couldnt hit the broadside of a space barn with their weapons if they tried.
3:30 because they had fought along side Jedi and the inhibitor chips could be defective like howzers
wow Whats next SMURFS vs TMNT ?
Why is this even a question? Clones will always be superior.
1 Clone Arc trooper can literally solo 20 stormtroopers at once
IS this even a debate? The Clones are amazing geneticlly modiffed Jango Fetts. The Stormtrooper are uhhh incompente meat sacks
Level 1 troops vs level 100 troops
Who would win in a fight: Mike Tyson or this baby?
The First Order Stormtroopers In Star Wars sequel trilogy.
The Clone Troopers vs Stormtroopers section is something that has been an interest for a while.
Considering trying a story animations set through the Clone Anti-Trooper Timeline. As we know the Empire would have to stop a private Kamino Clone Security, and with the information about how the chip effects Clones currently in Bad Batch we don't really get to know the Clones as a team anymore. As for Recruitment system Stormtroopers the comics is probably the best reference for what they can do.
Empire basically focus on big guns 💪 than a quality army. Palpatine is basically a spoiled child he focuses on his wants than needs!
clones are genetically engineered to be soldiers and from birth they are trained to kill. while the storm troopers are just your average shmos with meh training
Literally if the empire kept the clones, episode 4 and after would never happen
Yes and like no one would be able to turn the clones except the kaminoans so they shoulda tortured one and made them clone the others with chips in their brain. Sheev got tired of plotting in his old years and decided to be dumb instead LMAO
We already know the answer to this
Clone Trooper all the way.
The Clones are obviously the better soldier they were trained from birth while Stormtroopers were just volunteers with probably months or weeks of training.
While a personally love Stormtroopers more in a fight a clone would easily win.
Would be nice to see the Republic and Empire battle it out in Supremacy mode in SWBFII
Vaders' 501 regiment was exclusively clone troopers, altered to slow their aging, and it was they who attacked the Owen ranch and Jawa crawler, not the storm troopers.
Stromtroopers = militia
Clone troopers = special forces
I’m going to be honest they did the stormtroopers dirty after the original trilogy and made them a joke we need to show that stormtroopers should be fierce and should hit targets we need stormtroopers from the first movie.
Clones can shoot, enough said............
Anyone can shoot, it's just that clones can hit there shots
Bad bach just looks amazing. They really upped their game since the rise of Skywalker
Stormtroopers are an elite force. They have much better armor and equipment. Clone troopers don't have forces that can go invisible and imperials have much more effective jetpack troopers. Storm stroopers would mop clone troopers if it really came toe to toe. Everyone says stormtroopers miss badly. But if anyone has played any star wars game with imperials before, you'd know stormtroopers DO NOT miss their target when they fire.
In the newest bad batch episode clones who were starved, dehydrated, weak, and with no armor kicked the hell out of the tk-trooper, basically storm trooper
Clones are just OP in some cases
Stormtroopers are just funny like they the scene where they were beaten up by little kids lol
The clone trooper has superior skill. The storm trooper has the most iconic design.
Is this really a question?
The Gungans.
Clones were obviously better because they were created in a lab to be perfect. A product made for one specific reason with the best quality. Stormtroopers were regular enlisted men and women who were conscripted or enlisted to serve the Empire. The reason Palpatine didn't use clones for the Imperial war machine is that they didn't expect to be in a war so such high quality wasn't needed, and he could equip double the amount of storms for the price of clones. They needed much more soldiers as the Galactic Empire was a Fascist Authoritarian Dictatorship where troopers would patrol and enforce authoritarian laws. Clones would be far too expensive in the same amount as storms. Also, they wanted to instill a feeling of patriotism and duty in the citizens working as stormtroopers.
Its easy Clones they have so many spin offs, tv series, games and they look cooler also genes from Jango Fett himself.
I'm not going to accept the force-sensitive until it's said because if she has all the abilities of the Bad Batch it would look like the force.
Stormtroopers are favourable to clones for the same reason they change the clone armour to the flimsy stuff the troopers wear. It's all about impression over effectiveness, the troopers can ride off the fearsome reputation of the clones to keep everyone in check and since they're cheaper the empire can afford more of them making it look like the empire's army is stronger than ever
Let us not forgotten the the clones with they own persona us adore and age fond of even some have Passed away in the Clone Wars series...👓😶😞
Stormtroopers get a bad rep than they probably should for simply being on the wrong end of the plot
Haven’t watched the video, but don’t need to. Clone Troopers are miles better, no contest.
The hell kinda of question or debate is this? 10 Clone Troopers are worth a 1000 stormtroopers
How could a clone be force sensitive?!?!?!
Its not even a question. Genetically superior and bred for combat clones over conscripted soldiers. Even their armor is better than storm troopers.
Have you seen the stormtroopers try to hit something?
Just to point out it wasn't just because they were expensive, that was just a convient excuse, the main reason why he wanted to get rid of them was because Palpatine didn't want anyone using the Clones against him, in the same way that he used them to wipe out most of the Jedi
Does stormtrooper also had inhibitor chip, even though they were humans?
Only IGN can bring up such idiotic debates. Of course its the clones, it Star Wars 101.
This debate has been going on for a long time, and IGN aren't the ones who made try debate. It was the star wars fan base. Also, the reason why IGN made this video was because it was just now confirmed in the Bad Batch that Clones are are better soldiers than storm troopers.
It's because Jango died every REALfan already knows that.