Are TK Stormtroopers Better than Clone Troopers?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.พ. 2024
- Project War Mantle is in full swing and the TK stormtroopers have more or less taken over for the clone troopers... and that might not be a bad thing. At least not for the Empire.
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Alan makes the big point about the clones here: they really were the perfect soldiers, doubly so after a few years of fighting side by side with the Jedi. They were incredibly effective on the battlefield. But the moment the fighting is over and the helmet get to come off they are also personable and likeable people. They can vanquish whatever foe you point them at quickly and effectively. Order 66 is perhaps the greatest example of this, but afterwards they will also make some friends with the people they just saved. And that right there, that is impossible place a value on.
Yeah, but he's wrong. You can't make sweeping statements about the clone troopers by looking at fringe cases. Howzer may have been kind to the people of Ryloth and doing a decent job, but we see clearly that the majority of clones decide to stay with the Empire any way.
The clones, bar some exceptions, were only heroes in the war due to Palpatine. Palpatine made the CIS evil, and thus by defeating the CIS, the clones would always be the lesser evil. This doesn't make public opinion of them good, it just means that people are willing to have them there instead of the battle droids. Heck, on Kashyyyk, it was the clones poor peace keeping that resulted in them attacking the Wookies, not Imperial orders.
@7 Indeed, one should not expect clones bred and trained for war, essentially 9 year olds in the bodies of 18 year olds, with limited to no life experience besides the little theory (about the galaxy they were to fight in) they were taught in their short lives, before spending the rest speeding between one battlefield after another with little time for respite. How could these clones be good peace keepers or understand the populations they were liberating/occupying? How could they be so restrained as to not go on murderous rampages in response to their brothers dying in attacks by the rebelling population, when all they know is war and violence.
I'd bet only a few clones, particularly the commanders close to the jedi were able to learn and emulate the jedi ways, while the rest who only saw and communed with their fellow clone brothers would not learn anything other than the few brief interactions they would have with local populations. They would only be used to friendly populations happy to be recently liberated before they head off to another active battlefield. Only after the war would they stick around in one place long enough for resentment to build up enough for confrontations to regularly take place. Thus facing an unfriendly population would be something rather new to them and they'd be unprepared to deal with that. They would simply not be mentally equipped to handle a hostile population.
Thus it's not all that surprising why the TK troopers would come in to be garrison troops, as they are regular people who would have much more intimate understanding of local populations. Further clones wouldn't make good detectives as they would be too inexperienced with real world life and too naive. So the clones as an occupation force is a recipe for disaster leading to only more and more violence.
That clip where you flipped your glasses, though!! 😂😂 5:15
@@apsoypike1956probably for the algorithm
He’s just a funny dude. Gotta love Alan
That Changed my friends mind one time
I like how you pointed out the lack of DC-15 Blaster Rifles used by Imperial TK Troopers. It makes sense why they wouldn't use those rifles but the DC-15A Blaster Carbine instead
I know that lore wise there is a standard Storm Trooper and TK Trooper are considered the “elite” military legion but I always head cannon that it’s mostly propaganda and their training was just the bare minimum. Let’s be honest here, clones were born for combat
I always think of it like this: Stormtroopers/TK-Troopers/Shore Troopers/etcetera are like the standard Marine Corps Infantry (not Special Operations like Force Recon, Raiders, etc, which i liken more to, say, Death Troopers and/or Purge Troopers) and don't get me wrong, theyre VERY capable infantryman if used correctly and the individuals planning & executing a full-scale, all encompassing (involving all branches basically) campaign/invasion/operation/etcetera, understand their limitations and don't demand more than the average "Grunts" in the infantry are trained & equiped to handle. The reason i state it this way is because I think, in the US, a lot of us have this misnomer that the average Marine Corps units are equivalent/near equivalency to the "Tier 2" Army S.F. "Green Berets," or Army Rangers, Navy SEAL's, or any of the other SOCOM/Special Forces units of the other branches, and while I would definitely say the average Marine is more capable & closer to the "Specialized" units than the average Soldier, Airman, Sailor, etcetera, both individually and collectively, they definitely fall short of those more "elite" troops/units, and they should based on the training level & equipment the average Marine Corpsman has. The reason j say all this, is because I think the "propaganda" point you brought up is pretty close to my head canon as well when in comparison to the real world. Everybody expects the Stormtroopers to perform on the level of what the, for example, Death Troopers of their own era or the experienced, frontline, battle-hardened Clone Troopers of the previous era were/are capable of on average. Whereas, the average Stormtrooper hasn't seen any full fledged combat like the Clones did, nor have they engaged in high-intensity, Special Operation type clandestine/localized missions on a regular basis like the Death Troopers, Purge Troopers, ISB Operator-type Trooper classes/Soldiers, which would give them a totally unique set of skills & experience that training, no matter how long, high quality or extensive, can't fully prepare one for. As many of the small/minute and relatively larger details of skills & tactics (both large and small possibly being life & death) simply can't account for especially in a universe like SW where there's SOOOO many different environments, threatening beings & different weaponry, and their tactical/strategic variations, not to mention morality & ethics. Stormtroopers get a bad rap in my opinion, they would do a LOT better if they USED THE F'ING STOCKS on their E-11's though 😂.
Edit: Does anyone know if the underfolding stock that the E-11 (and the Clones DC-whatever # of the same type) is actually a functioning stock that can be folded out & extended to provide a 3rd point of contact on the shoulder and a cheek weld? I know the real world British Sterling SMG that the E-11 is based on could be unfolded rather easily.
Classic clone trooper circlejerk
@@lastmanstanding-xp3ub about the underfolding stock of the E-11 it is an underfolding stock you can see it used in andor where imperial army guards use the stock while wielding the E-11.
@@lastmanstanding-xp3ubI also think the idea that special operations forces are supersoldiers is greatly overstated in media. They are highly trained in specialized mission sets and better training in small unit tactics than the average infantry unit, but they can still be killed just as easily if caught in a bad situation (see Operation Red Wings or the Battle of Mogadishu)
@@antonalexander3795blame that on Disney, every media except rogue one show the stormtroopers incompetent
TK Troopers are the worst Battlefield Troopers in the Imperial military they're more for peacekeeping rather than actually for war. Although I would love to see the bad batch cover the origins of the Imperial Army because let's just be honest the Imperial Army is much cooler than the Imperial Stormtrooper and their training is very equivalent to a clone troopers.
Stormtroopers are elite troops. They only miss against plot armor
@@stevenldoe7838 but it's the Imperial Army that I find more interesting than the Imperial Stormtroopers because at least with the Imperial Army they actually hit their targets compared to the Stormtroopers who always miss unfortunately Disney does have some bias against the Stormtrooper for some reason. I don't know ever since Andor I really actually liked the Imperial Army more than the Imperial Stormtroopers
@@jurassictyrantkingYT stormtroopers were ordered to miss on the death star by tarkin.
Notice the rebels in the tantive 5 and hoth get blasted to shit.
Bespin is just plot armor. Endor was an ambush
@@stevenldoe7838 true but I don't know if that was just added in just to make up for Stormtroopers missing on purpose or can't aim at all or that's just a supplement to make people take Stormtroopers seriously.
@@stevenldoe7838Endor was statistically certain to be an Imperial victory: All the main characters were captured, the Rebel Fleet was being picked apart by the Death Star and the Ewoks were about to get carpet bombed out of existence; the chain of command simply collapsed after Darth Vader’s betrayal, causing the Imperials to rout even though they were winning!
Well Shadows of Tantiss reminded me that stormtroopers just can’t aim. There were five of them, firing at close range against Omega, who wasn’t taking cover, and none could hit her.
How can there be a show if the protagonists are killed by random stormtroopers? It’s plot armor.
@@marcolopriore875actually, you bring up a fair point. There’s a certain unceremonious feeling to deaths caused by something so basic as a common footsoldier. Not that they have no place in Star Wars; there are of course skillfully crafted scenes where characters died to B1s or TKs. But like any death in fiction, too many deaths to the same thing can get bland after enough time.
And if Stormtroopers were deadly, deaths could start looking a tad bit monotonous.
Because Filoni and his team dont take the Empire seriously. This kind of shitty writing is in The Mandalorian too
@@dancingvalkyrieexactly. And this show is really bad at this
@@marcolopriore875 Maybe dont write over 10 repetitive episodes about the protags infiltrating a base and escaping
😂🤣 apparently someone has not seen episode 3 when Crosshair took out both of the TK Troopers without thinking about. Clones were born to fight TK Troopers are volunteers 🤣
Crosshair is a veteran. Of course he can fight without thinking about it. Cad Bane proved Clone Troopers could be as predictable as everyone else. Even mutants like the Bad Batch
And yet they'd still mop the floor with TK Troopers even if they were shinies
Crosshair: You merely adopted the violence. I was born in it, molded by it.
@@djcookie328 the Clone Troopers are organic droids. The TK Stormtroopers are really just peacekeepers. One was bred for war and the other trained to keep the peace
@@djcookie328 but if the theory is correct that we see a Clone rebellion this season, obviously the Stormtroopers defeat the Clones just through pure numbers. The Stormies defeated the Mandalorians after all
While the TK armor looks cool, but I feel that they're shipped into service too soon during the Post-War period. The Clones deserved better
We deserved better writing
@@antonalexander3795Filoni seems to only rush plots now. Like he wants to go from A to B but no clue how to do that with decent writing
It is not cool
It's even worse than FO trooper armor. That helmet is pure garbage
Upside down glasses at 5:14 caught me off guard.
Same🤣
imagine the cheers A soldier would get if one of them walked into imperial remnants camp with tk armor.
7:27 The clones weren't popular on most planets though. One would only have to ask a citizen in the capital city of the Republic what their experience with troopers was. The shock troopers set up a police state.
On planets like Ryloth, it was Palpatine who had engineered the clones popularity by having them liberate the Twileks from the CIS, which clearly only invaded as part of his plan (as secession had been considered by many in Ryloth and they would've joined the CIS if not for the Sith and corporates making slavery legal within the CIS)
Yaknow, I think it was the clones (and Jedi) that made the clones popular on Ryloth. Especially on the slavery issues, the CIS and who they were made of probably weren't a very popular idea either.
How did you come to THAT conclusion?
@@GreenNinj4 Because of what the clones did on Kashyyyk.
@@tk-6967 That was the end of the war and because they were ordered to do it. I dont see how that one thing speaks against the clones when the whole empire treated every alien like shit, especially the officers that were human dudes and not clones.
@@GreenNinj4 no, the clones started the row with the wookies by themselves. Their orders never involved antagonising the wookies.
5:14 Just the hint of a smile betraying the gag.
Idk why but I'm loving this phase 1 stormtrooper armour
The M1 Carbine wasn't just about ergonomics. The 1911 was arguably easier to handle and less obtrusive than it was, but statistically didn't allow rear echelon troops to achieve much in the way of effective fire if they encountered enemy troops. The carbine and the M3 were good options for support troops and other non-infantry specialties due to higher capacity and increased firepower compared to a sidearm they might otherwise be stuck with. This philosophy extended across the lines and persists to this day, which is why Personal Defense Weapons like the P90 and MP7 were originally conceived.
PDWs never really saw much use outside of SF since it was discovered that carbines could do the same job with only marginally more weight and simplified ammo supply chains, but you are right about the original M1 carbine. US military doctrine heavily emphasizes individual firepower, so the carbine fits nicely into the role of rear echelon self-defense weapon.
Fascinating, thanks for sharing.
The 1911 is a pistol. It's nowhere near as effective as a rifle carbine like the M1 was.
TK-TFG, TK-FKU & TK-069 are always there for each another
I love "for the empire"!
It's actually TK-FNG
And TK-421
The m1 carbine was incredibly effective and basically was a stepping stone to the .556 round commonly used now.... an intermediary round allows more ammo carrying capacity with an effective kill rate... not a cheap out compared to m1 garand, just more effective in most ways other than " you are f*cking down" pop from a garand.
I'm a big fan of the M1 Carbine but it really was made to be better than a pistol for those 'not shooting for a living.' (I can also see not making a blaster barrel longer than it needs to be for most blaster ranges. (In Star Wars I'm not sure muzzle velocity is really a thing even if most longer blasters appear to be more precise.)
I had to rewind when you flipped your glasses to make sure you flipped them and that I wasn't just going crazy 😅
Also have to consider that TK troopers are new. It takes training and experience to make an elite soldier. Clones had several years of that, practically from the day they were pulled out of the tank. TK troops have only been around roughly a year at the time of Bad Batch. Clones, particularly the older ones, are battle hardened. TKs are fresh to battle. There is going to be a significant difference in skill levels between them.
And of course they suck because the plot demands it.
The Jango Fett Clone Trooper is the most elite, deadly, and overall greatest warrior in all of fiction! Not only with their advanced fighting skills, but their spirit and loyalty unmatched. True models of honor and freedom!!
Well, they used to be, now the Helldivers are clearly the most elite warriors in all of fiction, with their willingness to call in Orbital strikes on their own positions in order to further the relentless march of Managed Democracy
literal gods of war exist bruh wdym the most "deadly, elite and greatest warrior"
even if we're talking military units, halo spartan2 s outclass every clone unit in everyway. space marines too. you could even argue spartan training from sparta outclass them in terms of brutality and preparing someone for war.
@@boopie6635 Agree to disagree. A Clone can even outmatch the ancient armies of the sith and jedi, according to records and wookiepedia
Space marines would annihilate clones lmao
As a side note, I don't think most of The Bad Batch's clone commandos are true Clone Wars commandos raised from birth for that purpose. Scorch is, obviously, but there seem to be an awful lot of them available for units that hardly ever appeared on-screen during the war. I think most of them are regular CT clones who were evaluated after the war as extremely obedient. They get promoted, issued new equipment and declared part of an elite force while the rest of the GAR get drummed out or reduced to test subjects. This leaves a small, well-equipped core of clone soldiers usable for assignments like Mt. Tantiss where droid-like obedience is required while cutting the overhead of the remaining units.
Very well explained, you made a good job in pointing out the TK troopers and in a greater sense the later stormtroopers are mostly designed as occupation forces and something like a military police and not actual war fighting soldiers. There was no war at that point after all and palpatine certainly had no force in mind that would lead an open war against him.
They wish they were half the soldiers the clones are. They’re little more than glorified guards.
That being said, Ralph’s design for these guys has a cooler aesthetic to me than stormtroopers.
No they aren't. Stormtroopers are elite shocktroopers
@@tk-6967I hate these clone fanboy comments
@@antonalexander3795 same lol
Clones literally were made for war what else can you expect.
@@antonalexander3795 Its the truth tho
Clone troopers were simply better than stormtroopers
They had a lot more training and a lot more thought put into there operational doctrine that the Stormtroopers did
That episode when Nut was captured then rescued by a Republic Traitor . He encountered a clone . And he told the clone I don't want a life of servitude.
Next episode a clone betrayed them. I thought Sick was that clone
Great vid GenTech, thanks as always for the insightful content.
This leads to a question about when and where did the TK Troopers become Stormtroopers? Yes, I remembered when Palpatine made a proclamation to pass a bill to decommission the clone troopers and replace them with normal humans. But at the moment, we are seeing that the TK Troopers cannot do anything right without the clone troopers preparing everything for them. So when the last of the clone troopers have either died or leaving the Imperial Military's services, that is when and where the TK Troopers' incompetence will be displayed and that most likely will led to the harsher training for the elite troopers that eventually become the Stormtroopers. But the point here is when and where that the TK Troopers displayed such incompetence that it costed the Empire a victory?
They may be inferior but I do like the armor design of the TK trooper. It's like a mixture of clone and stormtrooper armor.
It’s funny that you say, a mix of clone and storm trooper armor. In the PS3 Xbox 360, version of Star Wars the force unleashed during when you play Vader the first mission. The armor, the imperials, where are literally more in between clothes and storm trooper armor, especially relevant with the T visor
i wonder if the tk trooper armor is better than phase 2 armor since its a cancelled phase 3 clone armor.
I hate TK armor.
It was directly inspired by Ralph's early Stormtrooper design so that's why.
i love how you put your glasses upside down i noticed it right away
I love the tk trooper design for the bad batch but I really hope they move to the traditional storm trooper design by mid season🙏
I think that would still be far too soon
Yea that's too soon
TK armor was just recently brought into service in TBB. It’s still too early in the Imperial era for classic stormtrooper armor to appear.
they should use the trition squad armour from the force unleashed games it looks so much better compared to the tk armour
I agree, but now we have the TK armor and theres no going back. @@vector246
Next video idea: Why exactly did the Empire decide to throw away their existing clone troopers?
Emperor Palpatine recognized that keeping a lot of symbolism from the GAR for propaganda and morale purposes was essential such as the blaster and the armor color.
However he neglected to keep the blue ionized blaster bolts signaling that they were better against droids and the good guys.
there are in-universe reason, the red one is cheaper
Upside down glasses, nice touch!
I like the part where you turned your glasses upside down lol.
We need an action figure of tk troops
About quantity vs. quality, there was an interesting exchange in the beginning of the original Battlestar Galactica show (paraphrased a little):
Apollo: "They day they beat us 10 to 1."
Zac: "10 to 1 is one thing, but check your scanner, 1,000 to 1 is just not fair."
Palpatine could drown any opponent. Even an entire sector together with their local Imperial Forces would rebel against him, he could drown them in troops. Now if the entire Imperial force of a sector was made out of elite soldiers on every level, they might have a chance to reach him on Coruscant and actually kill him. Their losses would still be horrendous even if they make it, but that's not the point here. It's Palpatine's paranoia at work. So what if the TK troopers were just enough to do the jobs that Palpatine needed them to do? They still did what he expected them to do and a possible, even if just distant possible, source of trouble was eliminated in the planning stages.
Glasses on upside down @5:14 , why?
Lol
5:14 Love the new look
Stormtroopers are supposed to be the elite of the elite, so it's kind of annoying that they're often portrayed as bumbling morons who can't shoot straight if their life depended on it, and bad armor designs. I want to see a movie where the Stormtroopers are best of the best of the best, sir, with honors and show that they are not to mess with. That they are the replacement of the Clone Troopers but better.
Thats really just typical Filoni writing
You kind of see the stormtroopers preform pretty well in shows like Andor. It just takes a talented writer/director to know when to use the more elite stormtroopers in the right way.
They maybe the replacements but not better. Clones were meant to be the best, cloned from a top donor Jango Fett. Stormtroopers can be effective...but not to the level of CTs
Totally enjoyed the flip bro😂
The Imperial Army was cool to see in Andor, it was a realistic look at what soldiers really look like, with Stormtroopers being a specialized force for combat, not peacekeeping. Want to see more of them in the future
It wasn't until we get close to the original trilogy the stormtroopers became the new imperial army
It really stung because seeing the clones as the perfect peace keepers makes total sense, especially because they’re compassionate, and it’s sad because the clones always wondered what would come after the war, would they become peacekeepers? And we really never get to see the Jedi and clones keeping the peace together.
I'll save you some time:
One was raised for war.
You are spot on the money, with the fact that Stormtroopers like the clone troopers before them are essentially created to fight a certain type of war. For the clones it was the separatists, for their successors in the stormtrooper corps they are designed to keep the peace and supress and prevent any discontent or insurgency breaking out against imperial rule. Stormtroopers main problem is that they were a case of quantity over quality, once the rebels became a real threat and while better trained and equipped imperial army troops were the frontline in operations directed against them,.
Because the empire wanted troopers on the Frontline immediately that they took shortcuts. I get war mantle was good at first but the empire eventually chose quantity over quality
@@tarden132 Indeed they did and was a decision that eventually backfired on them in respect of the outcome of the galactic civil war and their fight against the rebellion.
5:30 the glasses lol
Well considering everytime we see a TK trooper detachment go into combat they take 50% to 100% casualties while failing in thier mission.
They also seem to not be that dedicated to their mission and willing to surrender right away.
I'm surprised they didn't just weld.The hangers shut on the venator Ships they had in Surplus beef up the Shields and the weaponry.Add some extra auxiliary reactors and call it a day.
5:29 I noticed your glasses were upside down, that had to hurt a little 😆
For a portion of the video your glasses are flipped 🤣🤣also I think we may have the same brand of frame
Palpatine should've kept at least 5 legions (46,050) of clone troopers around to act as an elite core to build the imperial ground forces around, so when the TK, and subsequent Storm Troopers meet a threat they can't handle, they can call in the clones to defeat it. Rebellion would've had a much harder fight in the civil war
The M1 carbine was originally designed to replace the pistol, which it failed to do as the pistol it was trying to replace was the M1911 ACP. From talking to veterans that were issued the M1 carbine, they had the same issue with it that later soldier had with the M16 taking the place of the M14. A smaller round, even when compared to the .45 caliber 1911 that it was to replace.
The M1 carbine was just that a carbine. It wasn't trying to replace a pistol.
If you had to only be armed with one weapon, the M1 carbine is leagues better than a 1911(which is pretty average as pistols go) or any other pistol being a carbine.
Pistols serve a much different role than carbines do. It's like saying the M4 was supposed to replace the Beretta because it's lighter than an M16a4.
How does Cham Syndulla pull that tunic on over his head?😂 And why are Alan’s glasses upside down at 5:00?
The other thing to look at is that Palpatine likely didn't WANT elite military units or highly versitile carrier ships.
One of Palpatine's major tactics was to stab allies in the back as soon as it suited his needs. He generally only did this through other pawns, rarely bringing himself into direct conflict. But that philosophy can be turned against him as his (sigh) first death showed.
So if the backstabber expects to be backstabbed, what kind of knife does he give his underlings to use? Do you want their ground forces to be elite Jedi killers whose loyalty can be flipped like a light switch? Or do you want them to be poorly trained unless you've properly indoctrinated them? Do you want a carrier ship that can deploy itself in unexpected ways and perhaps infiltrate a planet's defenses? Or do you want set piece battleships that can be easily countered by 2-3 of the same while you safely sit under planetary shields immune from their guns?
The ISD and stormtroopers still do their jobs, but we don't see them exhibiting the plot armor of Bad Batch or using fighters to infiltrate and behead (literally) the enemy leadership like in RoTS. I'd go as far as to say that he equipped his Royal Guard with melee just so he couldn't be shot in the back while walking to the bathroom at night.
Palpatine didn't want an Empire that could effectively run without him, he wanted one that he could keep clenched in his fist.
Liked turned around glasses.
Bro, Alan, not only are you my favorite TH-camr period but your also my favorite content creator period. You cover my favorite topics, your spontaneously random with your physical comedy (such as your glasses being flipped without warning or explanation without even skipping a beat) with out it feeling forced and your absolutely attention grabbing in every way. My son (10yrs old) now knows all of starwars because of you and I can say something and watch something with him (especially the BadBatch) and not have to explain a thing. You break it all down and make it understandable and most of all, you make your content HUMAN. It’s relatable despite it being founded in a fictional world. You really are the best, Alan. Keep up the good work.
yo! i got that same phase one clone troper helmet! its absolutley bad ass
It’s interesting though the DC15A & dc15 difference is like the m16 to M4s.
I see the multiverse of this channel,you're using glasses in all positions
You’re so close, but you missed the real reason. Fighting an enemy is easier than fighting your brother. The Empire isn’t at war with another entity but its citizens. Those are the ones it directs violence at. Empires have to subjugate their subjects’ rights. So it uses its own citizens against themselves. While Clonetroopers were soldiers, stormtroopers were police.
Hey Alan I have a video suggestion for you how the cis would have faired against the empire at the height of its power.
My eyes are watering after a minute or two of wearing my glasses like he did XD
4:57 And from what the novels suggest, stormtroopers take between 6 to 10 years of training.
And fans still think they suck lol
I know there is no chance he's going to do my video idea (for those who don't know im the guy who requested for more tactics videos for about a year then stoped, now the bad batch is out)
So comment for the algorithm.
And i leave it up to everyone who see this, should i continue adding to my count?
So the empire changed from elite battle foghting clone troops to TK/storm troopers to act as garrison and police forces because they werent facing armed and organised enemies...yet they also changed from venators to massive heavily armoured and armed imperial star destroyers. Sense?
Imperial logic 10/10
3:54 i just noticed that the trooper on the right is missing a shoulder plate!
Yo at 5:28 I just realized his glasses are the opposite way😂
Glasses are upside down G
But yeah, you always have good analysis 👍🏻
What was with the upside down glasses around 5:20? Lol
Allen is checking to make sure we are paying attention 😂
I feel like that the empire lost the galactic Civil war before it began. Because first and foremost they could have kept clones by creating two different batches of new clones using different dna templates and one batch of clones would have growth acceleration and the others would be raised and trained from childhood. Tarkin messed up by creating the death star while it was impressive it wasn't practical in a sense. My last reason the rebels were unified from leaders to officers and their soldiers developed bonds like the clones while the empire was a mess
The Republic began the creation of the deathstar
It would have been nice to see the tk armor as a skin for battlefront 2
Them upside down glasses tho 😂
Getting rid of the clones at their prime wasn't only a wasted move, it's also extremely dangerous. You only need to look at how many Roman Emperor who pissed on their Legions and their Praetorians and still left standing at the end.
Clones age twice as fast, you don't even need to keep them for that long before they're no longer a threat physically. The extra 5 years service for them is a full decade, and a decade is two. Just keep them around and retire them, it would be better for morale, it would be better for PR, and they are legitly useful, often time the only solution you have in may threat of the Post-Clone War era.
You could even pay them pension for their retirement. They only need half of what any Stormtrooper would have demanded, because again, they only live half as long.
Yooooo i fucking lost it when allen flipped his glasses
Short answer? No
Long answer? ……….
No
Long answer
Noo
Long answer?
Your mom.
Where did the footage of the clones storming the "castle" and getting replaced by the TKs come from? I don't remember that
5:14 no one noticed his glasses?
5:14 LOOOOOL
Nope. next question
Unfortunately for these TK troopers they’re young and inexperienced. Still have that menacing look and feel but their actions speak. That they’re still newbies to battles. But just like their future counterpart these guys are insanely loyal to the empire seeing the situation they’re in and still heading straight for battle with no hesitation legit see multiple squads taken out and still doing their job.
You can really see the cost savings in the materials used for armor. Stormtroopers used pure plastoid which was known to be terrible at stopping blaster shots but Clone trooper armor was a more of an allow, not sure what the plastoid was combined with but in Rebels Rex mentioned how his armor is much better and I think in clone wars he said how he has a mix of Phase 1 and 2 armor.
Also why are the clone commandos so loyal to the empire?
Really stupid question. The real question is why any clone would not be loyal to the empire when they have chips in their heads
@@antonalexander3795 because the chips ran out of juice. Which led to clones going back to their normal personalities pre order 66.
@@Jason_todd7 that’s just classic lazy Filoni writing. He will mess up the canon just to make his story work
@@antonalexander3795 No it’s not. Did you watch the clone war show? The main point of the show was that clones weren’t just mindless droids and had personalities. The Jedi made them more independent
@@Jason_todd7 yeah. And that show breaks the canon that was established in the prequels and in the comics. The clones weren’t meant to have personalities
5:14 why ya glasses upside down?
7:57 it’s not just that it’s the armor itself both clone and storm trooper armor covered every vital part of the human body was very durable able withstand/disburse the energy from most medium to low blaster hits.
In any realistic situation things like camouflage aren’t necessary when you want to be seen and you have armor that can take a few hits plus your in a military that expects and can sustain casualties.
Lama Su "Our clones are far more superior than that of any recruited body."
Can't argue with the results of troopers that were trained to be soldiers since they were born like the clones
The results? They fought an essentially scripted war which they barely won despite having to be constantly hand held by the Sith and corporates on top of the scripting, somehow managed to be relatively unpopular despite Palpatine doing everything he could to make them popular, and the only operation they carried out in exemplary fashion was the secret task Palpatine needed them for, not as actual combat soldiers.
@@tk-6967 In truth neither the clones of the Republic or the droid armor of the CIS were meant to win the war
Palpatine used the clones as simple pawns to make them fight beside the Jedi to the point of Order 66 the Jedi would be caught off guard and the clones were used for a brief time as a military force until the TK trooper numbers were expanded and became Stormtroopers
@@jacobhunt8379 Yes they were. The clones were meant to win the war. That is simply a fact. The idea that there was a long term conspiracy to get rid of the clones has 0 basis in lore. Even Filoni hasn't gone that far in breaking the established lore, so clearly it isn't the case.
@@tk-6967 the big design was that Dooku recruited Jango Fett for the creation and training of the clone army on Kamino, made deals with the Separatis leadership on Geonosis to negotiate the creation of a droid army and go to other systems disappointed with the Republic to seek independence and an alliance to become the Confederacy of Independent Systems
All to distract the Jedi Order while Palpatine gained more power from other events than happened during the war and groomed Anakin Skywalker to doubt what the Jedi Council does or tells him and soon become his new apprentice to replace Dooku
Darth Vader
@jacobhunt8379 Nope, that is part of it, and that isn't even fully true. Dooku, by this point, Darth Tyrannus, had already formed the Confederacy of Independent Systems. He was speaking to corporate leaders, not Separatist leaders, about them pledging their droid armies together. The corporates weren't really interested in rebellion against the Republic. They had grievances, sure, but the Republic allowed them to do largely whatever the hell they wanted, just like in Episode 1. They had a similar goal to Sith; to prevent genuine dislike and grievances of the Republic from being widely accepted. The corporates also sought to earn a ton of money in the process.
The corporate leadership made everything for both sides but also helped the Sith weaken their own droid forces under the CIS. The corporations and Sith also made the CIS look incredibly bad morally and made sure they had bad strategies in place. This is why a lot of important CIS military leadership gets taken out at the start of the war. While the CIS needed to be dangerous, they didn't want it to be a competent threat.
The Separatist parliament and most genuine Separatist movements had little to no actual say in how the CIS was run. This led to Onderon, one of the founding CIS planets, becoming disgruntled under CIS rule, and Dooku made sure to respond with military force and depose and detain the king, purposefully stoking a pro-Republic rebellion amongst the population.
Ryloth and Kashyyyk were both 2 prime candidates to join the CIS and had every reason to leave, with Kashyyyk only really being split due to their good relationship with the Jedi Order and the loyalty of the Royal Family to the Republic and Ryloth being split due to Senator Orn Free Taa and the other Rylothian elite's loyalty to the Republic. However, the Sith and corporates pushed them away from secession with pro-slavery policies, and on Kashyyyk, they murdered the Crown Prince. These events led to Ryloth and Kashyyyk becoming staunchly anti Separatist, and the Wookie warriors and Cham Syndulla's resistance fighters becoming allies of the Republic despite neither being natural allies, particularly Cham, who was not pro-Republic.
Palpy: “TK-001. Eggzikyoot Ohdah shickstyshix”
TK Trooper: “…. Uhhhhhhhh sorry which one was that again?”
OK, but Hasbro? I need a TK trooper, vintage collection figure right the fuck now. How it’s been this long without one yet we’re on our 40th Baby Groggle or whatever that green thing is called.
I don’t watch The Mangolorian because it’s new and new things scare me. ;)
7:43 if the clone trooper armor was painted with ultraviolet paint, it makes me wonder if the clones were somewhat camouflaged to droid photoreceptors…
I can’t even begin to imagine being born as a clone soldier.
What they teally needee is the police units from Andor and Jedi Survivor. Locals with decent wespons and good understanding of the local comunity boosted by heavy regiments aboard Star destroyers that quickly could boost every trouble spot when needed. Those regiments could be well trained and better armed than the police units.
Am I the only one who recognized you wearing your glasses upside down ?
Dc15 and e11 grip folds into stock is it possible that they thought long and cqc range was covered?
No. Clone troopers can actually hit their mark.
So can stormtroopers
It’s a cost benefits analysis. If quantity can overcome quality you go with quantity. Also, sometimes you can increase quantity but cannot increase quality.
Posted 35 seconds ago, arent I lucky?
Little disappointed you didn't say Captain Howzer the right way......
In the third episode, the captions for the TK troopers are labeled as stormtroopers
Hmmmp, sorry I couldn't hold in my laughter 😂 they're the reason why it's called Stormtrooper aim
Stormtrooper aim is better than that of US marines
yeah stormtrooper aim. 75% accuracy, thats better then the clones!
Also there were already hundreds of million if not billions of republic army troopers who overnight became imperial army troopers. And those troopers had special forces in their ranks that were not clones
I doubt that but better than most future Stormtroopers😂
Stormtroopers are elite troops. They only miss against plot armor
@@stevenldoe7838they miss a hell alot more than that.
The inferior imperial army is more accurate than the "elite" stormtroopers.
Prolly not but i love their armor, that Ralph McQuarrie goes hard🔥🔥🔥
I do like that armor tho- idk why it looks more practical than future Stormtrooper armor
It's like asking someone, "hey, are $1 petrol station sunglasses better than Raybans?"