Can WESTERN CAPE become INDEPENDENT from SOUTH AFRICA? Entertaining Live Debate Show
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Can WESTERN CAPE become INDEPENDENT from SOUTH AFRICA?
Yes it can, if only everyone can stand together and certain people can stop living in the past!
Agree, stand together under the Cape Independence Party umbrella
and give their legitimate mandate on the ballot in 2024 - #VoteCAPEXIT2024.
The past in this case defines our present for many Coloured people.
@@grahamsaundersstewart3982 thank u...
@@jeannemartins
That will never happen. Europe is the white mans home.
I don't want to need a passport to go to the WC nor KZN nor any other province. If you knew what the plan is for SA and parties is irrelevant to those who planned to destroy SA.
What an exceptionally well-edited video. Please send my regards to your video editor and director of photography. Great work!
(A quick edit to also compliment the colour grading).
We need indepence soonest.
You are living in South Africa do racist hmmm yet want the voters yo believe you DA to rescue South Africa wow what a difference DA made ...........
Jys fokken mal....
In who's continent? Go to Europe, you colonizer. This is Africa
This discussion should be shared and or made mainstream. People in the WC must know they have opinions.
They will never coz I myself lis for all of them ek smaak hulle debate hulle sal kak
NO doubt about it the Western Cape MUST secede.
That won’t happen
The Audacity you guys can have baffles me. Do you guys think we have forgotten the evil you caused in Africa or what?? You want to own a country in Someone else's continent. Very funny. You will never be African
Free the cape #VoteCAPEXIT2024
Go to Europe, colonizer
Fantastic putting this together bro. Very well done. Just some constructive criticism: drop the music and let the audio focus on speakers, less aggressive and distracting editing in between. We already watch long podcasts and have no issue with the focus being on the speakers and their parts. Becomes very distracting and hard to listen without my brain doing jumping jacks. Thank you for your work!
I'm 100% for an lndepent Western Cape
Wait gor the election
Im sure you are, me too. If a racial civil war is what you want then we should vote for Independence for WC.
@100ManNPO Sorry this election I am not voting thanks
Me two
weldone mensa been waiting a while fot that one! My feelings exactly and together its going to happen!!! Westerncape independence for the win!!!
Go to Europe, colonizer. This is Africa
Wow. Loved this discussion. If we can just stand together and think how different it can be when we become Independent in the Western Cape.
You go Jack Miller. Western Cape must become Independent to have a better life for our children in the future.
You go Frans - Cool !!!!
Cape Independence Party for sure !!!
We missed your participation in the Live Chat!
Ha fokken ha !!!!
Go to Europe. This is Africa
@@stevenwilliams3015 I agree, we should all go back to where we come from! Oh fuck, its seems we all gonna end up back in Africa again🤦♂
Lol Anc guy is in a dream world,I don't always agree with Fadiel,but I like to listen to him,because he points out geniuan facts no one can deny
cANCer rule messed up Western Cape
Cameron Dugmore can take his useless ANC and voetsek! Let's have the maturity to admit that we are all different and should govern ourselves.
go and govern yourselves in ukraine...
Go and govern yourself in Holland. The day you do that nonsense of yours is the day we will release the army on you racists. You still own land which you took by hook and crook from khoisans and you want them to support your racist separatists idea.
@@davidmotlaloe5628 Ag please your army of useless loafers can't even fight it's way out of a brown paper bag. Plus with all the usual corruption, the guns and amo have been sold a long time ago. But rest assured WC independence is coming. We are tired of all these failures and flops in government. Just look at at ESKOM, PRASA, SAA, SABC, Life Esidemeni , the Post office, Denel, the Land Bank, the SAPS and the SANDF etc, The list is endless. Only 5% of municipalities are financially stable and 64 are dysfunctional due to poor governance, corruption, and political instability. Don't all these failures and fiascos make black people feel ashamed? Where is your pride? Don't you want to achieve success and accomplish something?
Yes indeed we are different I agree with, you can go wherever you want to govern yourself since you are a superior creation. One thing we can’t allow is to give you our ocean and land.
@@davidmotlaloe5628 The Western Cape wasn't yours to begin with. Black people never resided here. They lived in the EC, KZN, Freestate and North. Agriculturally KZN and EC are the most fertile parts. The best of SA. You can have the other 8 provinces and screw it up to your heart's contentt, just give us the WC. That is a fair deal.
Great Video - Impressive & Professional.
Enjoyed all the Speakers Points & Comebacks 🤣
WC/CAPE INDEPENDENCE ALL THE WAY !!
YES to Cape Independence!
Go to Europe, colonizer. This is Africa
It's not only the WCape were wanting. We want the whole area where minorities formed the majority in the last complete IEC population survey.
We Citizens Are For It!!! FREE THE CAPE FROM ANC!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have listened to this three times. All we have legally that will pass our request to secede or become independant is the accord signed twice internationally. Its a marraige certificate. The only way to break away from a marraige, is divorce. Thats all we have. I have done my homework by listening to all these parties. The closest that can help us secede the fastest is united liberty alliance Hein Marx. Ula is no part of politics. Hein followed the legal route and made it his business to ask for a copy of both tetries signed wherin the anc govt pledged that they will not let the minorities suffer or experience any property loss. When Hein asked our president for the accord .....he was not aware of it. So he obtained a copy (not sure if it was the original, remember Hein said something that the legal agreement was held in safe keeping overseas) . It took him 8 years to work on international secession and with international legal representatives. All these other independant parties will have to take the same route as mr Marx and in 8 years our country will look like zim the way its going now. So if I put my money on ULA and sign a mandate. They require a certain amount of votes according to demographics based on last census. The minute they received that amount of signed votes/mandates the secession process is completed. Otherwise I cant see independence or secession in the near future. 💕
Yip, people who left SA as early as the eighties saw this country sliding like Zim, and with open boarders, like in Texas currently, who is just walking across?
Yes indeed...and Hein Marx is one of the few who gains nothing for his effort, except the satisfaction of knowing that he helped save minorities from the hatred and marginalisation being experienced. Our people still believe in politicians promises...guess whose votes put them into seats which pay their salaries!
The Country won't look like Zim, The western influence is losing grips, International treaty applies to the west only, We are going to make sure Cyril Ramasellout gets out of office and South Africa solidifies it's partnership with BRICS. Europe and America are now irrelevant. I suggest start booking flights to England or Australia. Remember Australia don't tolerate racists, if thats you habit I suggest go somewhere in Europe or America.
@@brianmolele7264 nobody will decide for any legal citizen in this country what do do with their lives if it is in the framework of our law. Militaristic and communistical tactics is also not tolerated in this country and the no tolerance shown towards communism is labelled as racism. It is everyones right in this country who is a legal citizen to be free! No one has the legal right to threaten or force law abiding citizens out of any country. 🤣 I have direct family in new zealand, Australia, uk, Japan, therefore have commuted back and forth as I love my birth country. We must be very careful what we have to say of other countries on social media.
Dankie Fadiel!!!! Jy het so mooi en duidelik in eenvoudige taal gepraat. Ek kan nooit met politiek deurmekaar raak nie, masr dot is soos ek oor voel. Daar is in die Kaap net meer melk by sommige van ons gegoei.
Very well presented and informative too! Please help me to understand something; the main issue I have with Cape independence & secession is that there are too many parties purporting to represent supporters. If a referendum were held and the total votes counted to a majority of Yes for secession, who would take the future reigns of power to lead and secure the new country? determined
I believe the DA would be the government of independent Western Cape because they are already the Provincial government. But there would be general elections as there are in all democratic countries.
Got to be a combination of everyone talking here to represent all the people... Oh, and not be paid by the cabal to push their mafia globalist plan we currently fighting against with Trump, Xi and Putin. It's like 'Lord of the Rings'... the fellowship of the Western Cape.
@@chesterdonnelly1212 Dream on
@@brettpretorius7560 you think an independent Western Cape would be a dictatorship?
@@chesterdonnelly1212 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
What are we waiting for? ... lets get that referendum.. Daar gaan konflik kom... almal weet dit... let's bite the bullet..
Grootbek....Gaan kyk hoe lyk konflik in Gaza...en kom tot jou donnese sinne...900miljoen op jou doorstep...hulle het nie eens wapens nog om julle handjievol onnosel donners binne 24 lewendig af te slag nie...
Hou op kakpraat !!!!
I so enjoyed listening to this frank discussion of which we should have many more. Mr Dugmore should make a point of listening to what Fadiel specifically had to say about the marginalization of the Coloured people, particularly in the last two decades....
Agreed. Just a pity he only had 3 supporters there, in an area where hundreds could have pitched with even taking a bus
Kudus to a great discussion!!! Well facilitated and lots to think about. Thanks!
Essential to become independent
Go to Europe, colonizer. This is Africa
Cameron, you obviously don’t know the province you represent! 50 percent of the WC speak Afrikaans, including our black people!!! The other 50% is split between Xhosa and English. Most these people are either bi- or trilingual! Putting words in my mouth and playing the race card when he has no answer!
YES YES ,JA JA,WAAROM NIE,👐👐🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
Omdat jy fokken plein weg onnosel is....dis hoekom
Sesseer en druk vir n onafhanklikke Weskaap as jy n rasse oorlog wil he.
Brain dead argument, of course the Cape should become independent, and so too should other parts of the country. Unfortunately for most other parts it’s already too late, but definitely there’s still time to save the Cape. The Cape in the long term can be the seed that saves the rest of the country. No more time to waste.
Making Cape Town independent will be a very ambitious move.
If it does become successful, what happens to the people that have semigrated to Cape Town already?
70% of all the Businesses in Cape Town are owned by people from outside Cape Town, so what happens about that situation?
Will people need passports to live in Cape Town and to continue to run Businesses here?
From what our history has taught us is that South Africa as a country started in the Cape. I strongly don't think and believe that Cape Town should break a way from the rest of South Africa
South Africa just needs an educated, intelligent, young new Government.....❤
Oh yes please, i cant wait for such a referendum to rake place,, CAPE TOWNIAN
And remember, not all coloreds are Khoisan, most are products of Rape, white settlers raping the natives which are black and native khoi.
When is that gonna happen if I may ask ?
@@PatrickSkosana-uc9gi dont think the anc will allows it however i wish i could answer that question as that makes 2 of us asking the same question 🤷♂️
I totally agree, let's get independent. This not about race, but being fedup with government. We can do it..we can save all the finances of the Cape that goes to national. Yes..we have a Naval base, air force base in place ..we have tourism, agriculture..we can do it..
Go back to your country to make your demands there not here in Azania.
The problem is u don’t have land 😂😂😂
@@BaseLineBillionaires888 WTF r u smoking? there are so much land here it will come out by your ears.
@@excelsiorproducts6569 weed
I vote for an independent Western Cape 💯%..
I support fadiel 💯
Why?
I'm coloured and support hein marx and the ULA
Each to their own opinion 👍
@@ashwen4166 ja, but I wanna know why, what policies do you support about him?
If you on the ground and see how people are suffering, that is my reason
@@ashwen4166 Hoekom spring jy rond, sê vir my presies watte policies jy hou van hom?
En wat bedoël jy van op die grond, die arm?
CAPE INDEPENDENCE NOW !!!!!
Independence from an Afro-narcissistic abusive relationship
Cape Town belong to South Africa we are one Rainbow Nation Colored,Blacks, White and Indian you have to live together peacefully you have to be one, all the other story you can forget you are part of South Africans🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🙏🙏🙏🙏💯💯💯
No !!
Am I glad I live in the Western Cape!!
What happens to people in Gauteng who DO NOT want to be ruled by the ANC if the Western Cape succedes? I'm too afraid to even think of it. Will we be able to choose to move to the Western Cape?
Under the sa govt, the most votes are given to the party that won the elections in each area. I guess if secession takes place then it becomes a new country and you will have citizenship in that new country if you form part of the minority groups. If not you will have to apply for immigration. Works just like any other country over the world. You will then have to move.
The more the merrier. Pull in.
Try do the same up there, Jo'burg used to be OK pre 80's and before it renamed Gauteng ☠️ and slid down under the current regering.
The problem is all of south Africa is going to move to the cape. Like Africa moved to RSA. How you going to control it long borders to defend.
@@neeltjebooysen2688 can everyone of us just arrive in another country without applying for a passport? Can you enter Namibia without a passport? The rules in any other country will be applied in a new country with secession.
As I understand matters, the option of holding a referendum is not available to South Africans. Its in the constitution but has not been set up. I wonder why not? This needs to be fixed asap. DA is aware of this. ANC would rather it remains unusable.
ha, good point 👍
A SECESSION referendum is a "polite" political olive branch move offered by the breakaway nation - legally it's not required.
Fadiel was absolutely correct
Awesome content Doug,
Just dail down a little 20% with the random editing, German music and sounds inbetween.
Other than that, well done!!!
Yes it can be. And it will outshine the north side ruled by the ANC. Blacks with ANC/EFF mentality will oppose but at the end it will be them migrating to Cape
No, stay up there, and don't come to the Cape... fix it up there, like we will do in the Cape and use us as a role model.
Citizenship is pre-determined. NO rainbow nation. The leeches will leave. The contributors will apply.
@@brettpretorius7560 absolutely
@@kevinmorris3502 they will have a chance before referendum. After the border is dermacated, they will have to stay there
@@lesegomabiletsa6458 dream dream and dream more
It is not necessary to exit South Africa, we should force the ANC to do the exiting.
the ANC isn't going anywhere. Disgruntled ANC voters go to the EFF. We'll see an ANC/EFF coalition in 2024 and the possibility of Malema as vice-president.
Exactly.
"we should force the ANC to do the exiting."
Basically no progress on this has been made in 30 years, and even if the ANC were to go whoever replaces them will govern much the same and have the same problems, they too will support a welfare state and unions because if they don't they will be out at the next elections, and so on and so forth.
Yes the ANC are a huge problem but the ideologies of the people who vote for them nationally are a far larger issue, za as a country is broken and unsustainable far beyond just the ANC.
Tried, tested and failed, time and time again. The majority of South Africans WANT the ANC.
Mr. Dugmore, please learn when & how to use the words SECESSION & SUCCESSION...
hahaha - the point I made to him directly
Who decided to add music to this video?
Are these serious subjects, or is this a reality show?
I agree that the ANC Must go, but this is silly.
I see that some of these people are just ridiculous, but keep it a bit more down to earth, please.
Yes like yesterday.
As in all recipes the ingredients determine the success of the dish, A golden rule,
From one circus to another...Maybe more civilized though. The differences of all these entities flows down to the ground and the effect is seen, its tangible and as thick as the atmosphere in that room. Is it just me or are all of them so desperate for power that they fail to think about what the people need? What I see is a power train heading in opposite directions towards each other. How is it that not once, any of them spoke about the Swiss Canton system? Neil, a good general will find a way to win a war, but a great general will find a way not to have war in the first place. Hein, You have the right idea all these years but in all these years much could have been done to levitate communities to a tangible sovereignty. I spoke to Dr Shawn Stewart about this in 2022 but apparently we are 10 years too late?? Transition communities to Cantons where all cultures may govern themselves ASAP and advocate the tangibility it to the highest level as new hope for South Africa or face the risk of loosing everything all of you are standing for. To Cape Exit movement I will say this: You have literally drawn a big white crosshair on your backs by excluding Western Cape from South Africa with your marketing campaigns and effectively drawing borders. You've only drawn racism to yourself and may as well cause a racial civil war. Jack, you raise one of the most important points, the tax money... Do you really think that not just the ANC but any political party will let go of that little pot of gold? Cameron, why haven't the ANC sent a black representor hmmm? It seems everyone missed there? But I'm sure Neil knows🤫😉. You didn't do a very good job, maybe you should have invited your comrade Malema. Taking secession to the political arena was a big mistake with the handle the Ruperts and Openheimers etc. have on political parties. If you don't create the environment FIRST where you want to seceed IN, your Seceding, Referendum, Article 235 or Emancipation will only stand as a documental formality, that's it, nothing more! I've said this in many meetings but it seems the power train is the only option. Are we thinking of who will be the next political power or are we really thinking about the people NOW?
Love the animals,they are not racist,only the most beautiful,loyal and so loving.
Great debate.
Fadiel en Neil ... ek like julle.
Did you listen closely to the authority on the topic here in this video - Jack Miller, founder of the vision and Leader of the unique single-issue secession party called Cape Independence Party-CAPEXIT?
Thanks Pet Zoo,for showing the very best species,just love them all and always.
Coloureds are not part of Cape break away, salute 😊
No, because Black land owner and villagers of the western cape were kicked off of their land and into arid townships in 1936 and the land was given to whites by the apartheid government and the descendants of the native owners want that land back which was illegally taken from their families.The land needs to go back to its original owner first, then have a referendum and see how that
Works out.
Exactly 💯
Relax people that won't happen..those days are gone. Western cape belong to South Africa and forever will be.
bamosha nje ixesha
Happening already. Start packing.
@@brettpretorius7560 I curse the day when ur ancestors set their foots on this land of Africa.
Says who..WC is Khoisan land and we says yes to referendum..we will prove to the rest of country how good we can. SA can keep all the wealth as it already fails..
@@margaretconstant1079 and I say no it will never happen, and I promise you that.
dugmore has no argument.....period
There is no war here, I am black and I support independence
The ANC does not belong on the panel
Its a debate. In a debate there are always pro and con views.
They do need to hear that we're fed up!
A debate without your opposition present is not a debate, that's an echo chamber.
They are evil
Poisoning thoughts
Is this a debate or a music video?
Why the music, unable to hear what the participants are saying
The Cape Independence has a silver lining. South Africa is overripe for division into probably six nations. Every nation would eventually control of the land. This blessing in disguise should be welcomed by every indigenous group now, later to be enjoyed by each and every one.
Dankie fadiel Adams
Am a black person i support your proposal 100%
Music ruined listening to the speakers
Voting in an election to secede is like hiring your spouses lawyer to help you get a divorce! We cannot secede though political means - our lawyer in this divorce is International Law. Hein Marx and ULA is the only international recognised legal route out of this mess! The rest are standing in a bucket trying to lift themselves out by the handle!
Welcome to give it a shot - No harm in it.
Just know you are dealing with a Corrupt UN that serve Masters - Not People.
If it's not in the Masters interests - they will not allow you the luxury of Self-Governance / Independence.
Your best bet is Local Demand ~ Force Change by all means.
@@TQNY Local demand demonstrated through the ballot in elections. Nothing in SA has more power than the ballot. Power changes hands after elections and forcing a referendum will happen when the DA is brought below 50% and needs a kingmaker to hold on to power, which will open up the door for negotiation and forcing a referendum
A vote on the ballot is the legitimate mandate. Voting for the unique tailor-made single-issue referendum/ secession party called Cape Independence Party-CAPEXIT, will demonstrate the legitimate mandate needed to force a referendum - only that, nothing else. A name on a civic register is not a legitimate mandate and doesn't carry the authority or weight that election results do.
@@jeannemartins point is, after the referendum one cannot become independant overnight....you have to go through international law. If it took ULA 8 years to follow this legal process through....it then means we have to wait 8 years before we are free....by then we are zim
100% correct
Why so many white people where are my black brothers and sisters.are these whiye people speaking on behalf of them
BBE don’t include me. I have a masters degree in nuclear physics. I cannot find work as a physicist because of BBBe. Cum Laude student , published papers, was told I am the wrong colour. You tell me Mr. Dugmore where do you find that notion ?
This is going to sound patronizing, but some companies don't want highly qualified people, because of several reasons: 1- They don't wanna pay you for papers
2- They don't want you gaining XP, because you'll eventually become a threat to there business
It's not always AA but also cronyism at its finest!!!
Get you a labour lawyer to defend your case.
I hear that in your discussion you made mention of the ACDP who you say are against gays, you got it wrong there is no discrimination to the person but as a Christian we speak out against the deed because a sin is a sin you cannot be selective about sin please go read romens chapter 1
Mr Dugmore I was nicely told by an SOE in 2003 that I need to vacate my job because I need to make place for a Black African. That is what I was told. I said but am I not a South African. I did 3 people’s job. My manager begged HR to make me permanent, sadly they said sorry demographics is the order of the day. Now how did it help me?
THE INVISIBLE SECESSION - INDEPENDENCE FOR THE WHOLE COUNTRY
The ANC doesn't fulfill its constitutional obligations.
The ANC is far worse than just a "poor" government, it CHOOSES to break down and to destroy. That is why this action is warranted and needed.
Most importantly the ANC incites hatred/violence against us when they say that we stole their land - I checked, we didn't.
It is not reasonable to expect law abiding tax payers to continue with "the winner takes all principle" of a democracy to their own and the country's demise.
Who says we HAVE to be part of this political dispensation? Nobody questions this. It is time to stop, think and QUESTION this.
Nothing and nobody have the right to force us to be part of this self destructive political dispensation.
Approach the courts - convince them that it would be in the best interest of the country as a whole if we control our own taxes (first goal). Justify our rejection of the current political dispensation (main goal).
DIE OPLOSSING?
Die enigste praktiese oplossing is om ons eie belasting (persoonlike, besigheids en brandstofheffings), munisipale fooie en betalings vir elektrisiteit self te beheer. (Our money under our control).
Deur dit te doen kan ons die land feitlik oornag omdraai.
Maar is dit haalbaar, hoe gaan ons dit reg kry?
Ons het nie n keuse nie, ons moet dit doen.
My voorstel is om die stelsel te verander deur n hofsaak in die konstitusionele hof. Dit is dalk net n beginpunt.
Ons is GEREGTIG om die land om te draai.
As dit is wat nodig is om die land om te draai (en dit is) dan moet die hof ons toelaat om ons belasting ens. te beheer. Dis tog ook vir die beswil v.d. land as n geheel. Hoekom nie?
Die ANC het NIE DIE REG om ons te weerhou om die land om te draai nie.
Dis die kruks van die beoogde saak in die konstitusionele hof.
Indien die hof nie onomwonde in ons guns beslis nie wat heel moontlik is kan dit nog steeds susksesvol wees want dan het miljoene Blankes, Bruin en Indiers gehoor dat hulle GEREGTIG is om te doen wat die beste is vir hulle en SA as n geheel. Op die oomblik dink nie een van hulle so daaraan nie.
Niks of niemand het die reg om ons te dwing om in n selfvernietigende politieke bedeling te bly nie ook nie die konstitusionele hof nie.
So n hofsaak sal ook die besef tuisbring.
Die ANC lieg as hulle sê ons het die grond gesteel - regsaksie teen die ANC
As ons nie die grond gesteel het nie kan daar mos nie grondonteiening sonder vergoeding wees nie.
Dis dan die rede waarom die ANC en EFF vra vir onteiening sonder vergoeding.
Ons het grond by die Zoeloekoning gekoop. Daar was ander gevalle ook gewees, tewens Bennie van Zyl v.d. TLU se vir my dat daar 25 traktate was tussen die Voortrekkers en Swart stamme vir die koop van grond.
Die Voortrekkers is bes moontlik die enigste groep mense in die geskiedenis wat nie grond met geweld af geneem het nie maar gekoop het! Die V.O.C. het ook maar hulle was nie n nasie nie.
Die TLU het al in 2019 vir Ramaphosa gese dat hy en die ANC lieg as hulle sê ons het die grond gesteel.
Die TLU het ook al R100 000 aan gebied vir enige iemand wat kan bewys dat ons die grond gesteel het maar niemand het nie.
Ek het n ou onderhoud op TH-cam van John Vorster gesien (Firing line with William F. Buckley) net voor die '74 verkiesing waar hy sê dat die regering reeds in 1936 besluit het om 7.25 miljoen morge grond te koop en as ADDISIONELE grond te gee aan die tuislande.
Tydens die onderhoud het hy gese dat daar reeds 7 miljoen morge gekoop was van Wit mense en dat dit al reeds aan die tuislande oorhandig was.
Kom ons vat die ANC hof toe.
ANC waar is jou gedetaileerde lys van grond wat gesteel was?
Ons kan grondonteiening sonder vergoeding nek om draai eens en vir altyd met so n hofsaak.
Omdat ons nie vir die ANC en EFF se hulle lieg oor die grond nie dink almal al klaar dat ons die grond gesteel het.
Deur ons stilswye kondoneer ons die leuenaars se leuen.
Ons kan dit nie in hierdie geweldadige land bekostig nie.
Hoeveel plaas aanvalle en haat is nie al deur hierdie leuen veroorsaak nie en hoeveel nog?
Bennie van Zyl se vir my so n hofsaak sal omtrent R5m kos saam met litigasie want die ANC sal definitief apelleer. Die TLU het nie die fondse hiervoor nie.
Om as n regering dit jou doelwit te maak om mense se grond by hulle te steel gebaseer op jou eie gefabriseerde leuen.
Om mense se grond by hulle af te vat is gelykstaande aan n oorlogsverklaring.
Die ANC breek die land ekonomies af as ook die samelewing, tewens die ANC hits rassehaat aan teen die Blankes as die sê ons het die grond gesteel.
Hoe kan daar verwag word van ons om verder ons belasting te gee aan die ANC en belangriker om deur die ANC regeer te word?
Wat sal n groep redelike persone doen onder hierdie omstandighede?
Of eerder waarop is n minderheidsgroep in ons omstandighede GEREGTIG?
Dit is eintlik die saak wat ek wil begin. Blankes sal baie meer as R5m gee vir hulle vryheid.
Ek dink nie mense besef dit nie maar dit (die ANC se leuen oor die grond) kan DIE REDE wees wat n hof (insluitend die Wereldhof en VN) se uitspraak in ons guns swaai as ons besluit om ons self te distansieer van die huidige politieke bedeling.
Bruin en Indier wil ook onder die ANC uit kom, ons staan nie alleen nie.
Dis nie net n Swart en Wit kwessie nie.
Dit gaan oor waardes, breek jy af of bou jy.
Blankes bou, ons kan nie langer onder die afbrekende ANC regering aan gaan nie.
Die ANC is DIE REDE vir die verval v.d. land.
Daar is honderde indien nie duisende bewyse hiervoor wat in die konstitusionel hof voor gele kan word.
Hoe kan ons hierdie saak verloor?
Om Swartes titel regte te gee vir die grond waarop hulle bly in die ou tuislande sal die grootste welvaart skepping ooit in die land tot gevolg he.
Hoe is dit moontlik dat die ANC en EFF nooit daaraan gedink het nie!?
Die huidige stelsel waar grondeienaarskap onmoontlik is, is juis DIE REDE (histories en huidiglik) vir Swart armoede, Swart verstedeliking en plakkerskampe.
Die ANC se hy is Swartes se "Liberator" maar hy lieg.
Die ANC is Swartes se "Opressor".
Yes to independence!!!
Caps Independence is a dream especially when it comes to expanding it to EC and NC as well.
I think people must stop being dislusional. No section of land will ever become independent.
opinion..
Never say never, today's achievements were yesterday's impossibilities, we can do this.
Why can't I download?
Western Cape is already an independent state
A potentially important discussion marred by an over produced video imo - the constant inane music did not help.
sorry you missed the point
@@brettpretorius7560 Not sure what point I missed Brett, and I don't want to be negative but the constant unhelpful music and overuse of imagery detracted from the conversation imo.
Don't allow yourself to be used on racial lines.
How come Chinese in SA are classified as Black?
Fadiel Adams, nee daar is nie my mense en jou mense nie - daar is net ons mense! Hou op vinger wys en dink jy weet wat in ander mense se koppe en harte aangaan. Jy praat nie vir my nie, ek kan vir my self praat. Kry jou hart en kop reg as jy hierdie droom wil sien 'n werklikheid word.
Fadiel Adams speaks for marginalized coloured people. It is important to have that representation but he is limited. If there is an independent Western Cape the president will hopefully be an educated middle class Coloured person, not a former gangster.
@@chesterdonnelly1212 no the head of state should be someone competent regardless of his/her ethnos
@@rioscordoba606 my point is the leader of the government should be an educated person, but people from all communities should have representation in parliament.
Very interesting. Tough decision ahead for my beautiful country 😢
What decision is that? Secede and prosper - or - carry on and be wiped out..?
it won't be SA's decision. The WC Premier can call a referendum when he needs to and the WC will vote YES or no and declaration of independence will follow a YES outcome. The national government will have no choice but to respect the Democractic and Constitutional Will of the People and let the Cape go. Did you know independence of the Cape will have many more advantages for both the ANC and SA than disadvantages?
South Africa Country Land Mark At Now Is Belong To S' Africa Country People's & Government Is Under The Constitution , Cannot Be Others People's Regulation Solving And Admins . Thanks All, .... Cheerio.*****.
Every body wants to rule the world nice song
Dugmore loves the ANC for what it was 30 years ago. So he's biased because the notion of dedicating your life to a cause just to see it all come crashing down in the end is horrifying.
I’m voting for Cape Independence provincially and I’m voting OHM nationally as they are the only party fighting to put an end to the political systems as current. Politicians and political parties have created this hell for people because they serve their funders first and then themselves and then the people. We need direct democracy by locally elected leaders from the bottom up. They work for us period!
I have lived in Cape Town my entire life i am now 70 years old i think the idiology of Cape Town becoming an independent state is dangerous and ludicrous
Why did the DA not join
not interested in secession - it would mean the end of their soft seats
I am satisfied that constitutionally a premier of a province has no power to call a referendum on secession. The thing has to be thought through another way. The looming crisis which appears very serious may be grounds for a province rescinding the constitution for while such is stated as supreme law, it enures for the benefit of the union cobbled together when the then constituant parts joined in union. Their successors in my view have necessarily the power to rescind the provisions of the constitution as may be necessary in order to protect governance in a province.
What choice does the rest of South Africa have? Can we move to the Western Cape? We are all part of ONE SOUTH AFRICA right now?
you have a choice - stay, move, or perish as "one" South Africa. Good luck
Neil de Beer my man
kZN Should be independent
thats a stupid take, if KZN becomes independent then the Cape will follow, the only difference is the cape will be backed and armed by the US. You're too stupid to have an opinion on these matters
THERE IS A ZULU KINGDOM AND A XOSHA KINGDOM BUT WHAT ABOUT US THE KHOI SAN AND BUSHMAN HOTTENTOT NATION INDIGENOUS PEOPLE OFF SOUTHERN AFRICA WE HAVE NOTHING BECAUSE OF THE ANC GAVEMENT AND EFF LEADERS BUT WE ARE NOT AFRAID
INDEPENDENCE/// how gross ...how opportunistic ... how DISGUSTING... how utterly STUPID!!!!
Politicians are great orators, but they show their ignorance of the legal secession process. Try listening to Hein Marx
Some of our cousins want the gifted nd know how to build up a province country nd than they just come tske over a functioning countrytry, state than take over destroy itt than keep using the past n colour card
More hom terug Neil🤜🤛
Black people ? you mean Bantu people!
Africans natives of Our Beloved country and continent..
Who are you where did you sailed from bloody Colonialists
Cameron lives in a dream world . Most probably grew up under a very protected home . Hanchen Koornhof ended up in jail. The intention was to blowing up the de Tois Kloof bridge?
Within the forseeable time trajectory the Western Cape is set to be just another shack infested economic, ecological & agricultural wasteland unless some political action is taken very soon.
The rest of the present state of the Republic of South Africa is totally out of equilibrium causing the massive monthly migration of huge numbers to our tiny, well governed province. This can only increase as businesses up north close down due to lack of water, sanitation, electricity, strikes, non payment for services
Points.
This tsunami of hopefuls bring with them all the seeds of their own destruction & the ensuing rot will continue to spread across our province
The hijacking & destruction of our public transport system within a record amount of years is just one example of this, turning our roads into dare me if you dare wild west scenarios with their minibus taxis & unroadworthy vehicles with false number plates & questionable driving licences.
Our limited hectares of agricultural land bringing in export valuable valuta is under threat of illegal possession from shack builders who are parasitizing on the existing paid & worked for services by the present rates & taxpayers of the province.
Our limited water supplies are another point. WHAT happens when the water runs out as nearly happened in 2018.? A Natal scenario in our cities & industrial areas as beautifully captured on video a few years ago.!?
The ANC need to be lifted from their lofty protected political perch with all their allocated & expensive security measures & replaced with G-d knows what.
Set the wheels rolling using every measure possible asap.
If the WC can pump the money they are contributing to SA GDP into the WC we will have plenty of money
Good day everyone
I do not live in WC and are neutral whether it should cede or not I think the WC will cede What I am convince about is that Natal will cede from SA
Y’all are funny😂😂😂This thing of ANC will only be solved by us working together to defeat , you are going no where 😂😂😂
This video could have been better.. If there was No Editing! That's just wrong especially cos we the viewers don't get full context.. Waste of time watching something this political that gets edited with a clear agenda in mind.
I disagree with the name 'Coloured"
That's a derogatory name given to us by our oppressors to strip us of our rightful inheritance
We are Aboriginal/First Nation.
The white and black settlers found us here.
This is legally our land.
I like Neils attitude